Sleep, Mastodon, and More: Orange Tones w/ the Dark Terror DA15H & Fractal Audio!

[@Crowbar11115]

Weird fun tip for everyone...Get a Bass EQ AND a Guitar EQ, put them both in your FX loop and enjoy! Oddly enough, a Bass EQ has more treble on tap than a standard Guitar EQ pedal and if you get the settings right you can use them to kill feedback. I ran a 2 EQ setup for years and years and every band I played with was baffled that my 5150II could sound like that without feedback, a noise gate or a boost in front of the amp. My tone sounded "like a CD" because I was adding Presence around 10K from the Bass EQ, 3.2K from the Guitar EQ for pick attack, 50hz from the Bass EQ for gigantic Palm Mutes and then cutting some 400 and 500hz from the Bass EQ to kill "boxy" frequencies. That's it. That's the secret. Haha. It's dead simple and it sounds killer with high-gain amps.

[@tradertom4843]

Sick, just got a band eq and already digging it but Ill try you're method. You still using that setup?

[@sergeyv4908]

why not using EQ with expanded band like 10 band?

[@Crowbar11115]

@@sergeyv4908 10 bands go too low and too high in my opinion. 30Hz is way below guitar and 16kHz is way above. They also jump too many frequencies. 500 to 1K is a big leap as is going 4K to 8K to 16K. The combo of Bass and Guitar EQs covers a really usable range for Guitars especially for Metal. 3.2K is the secret weapon for pick attack, 400/500/800 is where you scoop and shape mids and 4-6K is where you can control Fizz. That level of control is lacking on a 10 Band.

[@ahriik]

I think these kinds of videos are super important for the people who are convinced they need very specific gear to get certain tones. You really don't, just takes a bit of creativity, sometimes a combination of pedals, and EQ haha.

[@teriakamoto]

Thank You. Exactly.

[@SuprachargerMusic]

TBF ripping off the EQ from a recorded album isn't really very creative at all. If it's just for overdubs, by all means, but as far as something you would use for something to make your mark, it's the antithesis of creating something. A lot of people follow gear to get the essence of what they think sounds good and put their own spin on it. This is like making "your own" guacamole recipe with a spice packet from the supermarket. If your plan is to be the next Applebees, sure. If you are trying to carve out your spot in town with a place that is known for your flavor, not so much.

[@ahriik]

@@SuprachargerMusic What's your point? The intention of the video was *literally* to recreate as accurately possible the music in question, with a small assortment of gear.

[@thracian2072]

@@SuprachargerMusic another critic

[@bonusflaps1749]

@@ahriik Good thing you said "literally". I 'd hate for anyone to think you were speaking rhetorically. Or hyperbolically. Or ironically. Thank you for making that distinction.

[@ericcarpenter3263]

Damn I’m not a Doom or Stoner guy at all, hell I don’t listen to metal at all anymore, but this is the reason I watch this channel. Ryan, you are so good at explaining how something works and why you do the things you do, to get the sounds you get. Thanks so much, the new place looks and sounds great.

[@dissonant_a]

I’ve only just recently come across your channel, your ear for dialing tones is incredible. Really enjoying catching up on your videos!

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Just in time for: A) Lunch break B) Micro Dark being delivered to my house!

[@joshww2339]

This channel is incredible

[@brianb4877]

really getting into these longer videos, it's kind of like a podcast

[@JakeTerch]

I’m glad you mentioned balancing master volume and preamp volume. So many forum warriors say dImE iT aLl ThE tImE oR tOnE iZ bAd!¡! Most high gain amps become a mess when the master is dimed. Always a sweet spot to get the color and dynamics from the power amp and grit from the preamp. Great video Ryan, new room looks sick!

[@BcBaxley]

Nailed it 😁 Orange just has that dirty British fizzy booty like no other 🤘 I love going between my Orange rocker 15 and my 5150 iii whenever I get "bored" of one. I messed around a long time with stereo recording the two amps and trying a bunch of variations... I have found that fundamentally my guitar pickups / tuning are the biggest "game changer" even though everyone now days are trendily telling me its the cab/speaker. I realized with the orange terror stamp I don't favor and or use power tube distortion / compression as much as I thought. I have also realized that I don't care for stereo rigs or dual tracking as the phase issues just kill the tone. I'm feeling like my 5150iii 2x12 is the best for me just because it is convenient no need for boost, eq, gates, etc......with its cab built within a cab, an attenuator, and a resonance knob, and an insane amount of gain on tap... I can dial it in almost identically to everything else I have ever played except for amps that have rectifier tubes🤓🤓🤓

[@jeremymarkowitz5524]

FWIW I saw Sleep when the Holy Mountain came out in a pretty small club and Mr. Pike was definitely playing one Orange full Stack with a Les Paul. Don't remember the head likely OR120. I don't know that he had much more than one or two pedals -- kinda feel like he had a RAT. Just one or two tones for about 60 minutes straight. That was the best I ever heard them sound live and the whole vibe was out of this world. The last tour I thought the sound was pretty mindless, just loud and incomprehensible. I have never found a yt demo where any of those 15 watt Oranges sound very inspiring. I have never heard a really good el84 amp for heavy sounds. Thanks for your demo all the same.

[@dylansalcedo2797]

Dude I absolutely enjoy your channel and all the knowledge you give is. I learn so much from you and wanted to thank you. 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@wheresallthezombies]

Dude you get such crazy tones

[@coveryourears3851]

This channel makes me wish there was a bass focused gear channel as in depth as you, great work Ryan!

[@EvelynRoods]

This makes me want a Dark Terror lol. I recently bought a Hinds Terror and it's probably my favorite amp I've played through.

[@geetr-weezerd]

I've got a hinds terror too and I love it. I'm very curious how different than the other amps in the terror series it is.

[@teriakamoto]

@martin beaver Eq pedal and a boost, or TS. Dark Terror is a great platform. You can make it do anything.Get weird with it.Own that MF'er. Peace-

[@litos_mendes]

this is my favourite videos of yours and i am only at half of it

[@Murf_Workshop]

those tones at 35:32 are gold! I'm liking that light delay that drags the notes out rather than just flat out repeating it

[@Tubelistic]

LIKE for the the Orange DT Mastodon tones in the intro \m/

[@kd6l637]

Awesome! Thanks for putting this together. I’m sure it took some serious time getting everything dialed! Good sounds...Cheers!

[@gastoncoronel13]

Dark terror is one of the best amps today 🤘🏽💀🤘🏽

[@clemensmoeller4549]

That march of the fire ants Sound was crazy close to my ears. Well done!

[@peehandshihtzu]

Dude those Primus tones made the hair stand up on the back of my neck, awesome video, thanks and hope your therefor a good while this time. :)

[@user-yf3os6ip5e]

Good stuff man i have a Dt and it is great i have been thinking EQ for tone shaping and you helped me with that one on the boss Ge7 will be perfect. Great video!

[@EasyHeat]

You had me at SLEEP. Great channel bro. Mucho Gusto!

[@clintn6677]

I took one of Bill's guitar lessons and he was awesome. I'm a sucker for Mastodon stuff.

[@litos_mendes]

bill once said i think in tone talk that the recepie of the early albuns is a jcm 800 2210 with a tube king or bk butler tube drive in front and a normal 1960 marshall with t75s ... BTW how hard is that divination riff? hahahahah

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Its like instant arthritis via progressive chicken picking, it's amazing.

[@litos_mendes]

@@PlagueScytheStudios i tred uncle ben tutorial ... for like 15 minutes and im like no way im going to learn this and my hand keep his functions

[@andreasf6671]

If you put out more of these videos I will have to buy the DT even though I've got a RV50, lol.

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

Good fun and sweet tones Ryan

[@billzade4567]

I'd love to see you do a tone engineer episode with that Randall RG!!

[@RubyRoks]

The more i watch videos on the Dark Terror, the more i remember how good it sounded at guitar center when i got to try one....Then i plug in my Micro Terror and get sad at the voicing and lack of effects loop. Hopefully when i'm not in financial dire straits i'll pick one up, or maybe a Jim Root Terror.

[@AlexanderXtcSlayin]

Damn that’s a nice guitar

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Great content, man

[@CoolestMcGuy]

I spot a Valvestate 8100 in the background, isn't that the one you needed to get fixed? Also can't wait for the chuck toanz :D

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Bingo 👈

[@deaddoomgrind4782]

Could you try to replicate Iron Maiden's "Piece of Mind" tone please? I have a bunch of reliable info on what they used at the time (1983 Interview on Guitar World). Basically Dave Murray used: Fender strat with floyd rose, Di Marzio super distortion (bridge pickup) and Di marzio Paf (neck); Cry baby, Mxr dist+ (only on solos), Mxr phase90, Boss FA1, Mxr 10 band eq (vintage blue one). The last two, not having ON/OFF switches, were ON all the time. 50w Marshall heads (probably jmp and jcm800 2204/1987) and for speakers they used EVM12L (only for outfront house) and Celestion speakers, the ones that are ont he record (my speculation is that they were G12-65). Setup is pretty simple, but as Adrian Smith said: "the room is the most important thing about recording...we kept the guitars separated and put the amps up in a big wooden room and just put mics everywhere. Another problem is also that Martin Birch was an awesome producer (R.I.P.).

[@antoniocarotti9120]

excellent !

[@cmd_f5]

Great video.

[@litos_mendes]

come on not saying that they blew most of the record budget in weed and matamps is a crime hahahaha that is the best history ever

[@perempti]

Great video! What mods did you do with your SGJ? From what I've seen you replaced stop tailpiece with wraparound one and maybe something with the nut idk

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Thank you! Good eye. I have an old video series showing exactly what I did, but thats the basics of it - replaced the tailpiece with a Gibson TP-6, and added a Kahler string lock above the nut. So now I tune at the bridge, and the stability is incredible. I have the same setup on my custom 8 string except with a Floyd Rose nut.

[@perempti]

@@PlagueScytheStudios thanks a lot) tomorrow I'll try to find that particular vid, nice concept

[@geronimodiaz2310]

Congratulations!! I loved the Metallica tutorials,

[@needsLITHIUM]

orange even makes a pedal power amp. pedal baby.

[@stonerdoom8209]

fucking yeeeaaaahh

[@ricardolopes2445]

Congrats! Awesome channel. Dark Terror is a fantastic amp, but do you have any issues with noise in the fx loop?

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

None that I've encountered, but I've only really tested a noise gate and Line 6 POD GO in 4CM.

[@ricardolopes2445]

@@PlagueScytheStudios Thanks!In the input I had no problem, but my reverb and delay pedals are very noisy when I put them in de send / return. Anyway, love your reviews 👍

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

What kind of noise? The most common problem is a ground loop that causes a buzzy 60 / 120 Hz hum.

[@teriakamoto]

21:32 The feedback and then the hammer drops and it sounds so good. Is that an old Randall w/ Jaguars or newer with 75's or V30's ? I actually have this amp and the OR15 (w/ a PPC 4X12 w/V30's) which is a whole other format and an amp I'd like to see you explore if you ever get the chance ,amp, and/or time.I have so many tech questions for you, do you have any other formats like Twitter,fb,etc.? As always, Thank You for your Kick Ass Demo's and philosophy lol. Peace-

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

The Randall cab actually has Celestion Creambacks, I'm fairly certain G12-65 (but it's been over a year since I opened it up and I'm a little fuzzy on the model). Either way, no Jaguars. I definitely want to check out some bigger Orange / Matamp designs on the channel. My Twitter: twitter.com/PSS_KZbin?s=09 Email: [e-mail]

[@teriakamoto]

@@PlagueScytheStudios Creambacks work for me. Does Celestion make a bad speaker ? Have you ever tried the Maxon 808Xtreme or whatever the f*** it's called (Red). Drives hard and really has nice harmonics.

[@lonegalaxy311]

Hey Ryan, whats up with sibilants? My byerdynamics are sensitive to this stuff but I don't recall your voiceovers having this problem before.

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

My guess is a.) My LAV microphone took a beating during the move because it started some weird popping behavior when I move around, and b.) my EQ treatment exacerbated the problem. I'll have it straightened out next video.

[@ThatRandomGuyInTheComments]

SHIT YEAH!

[@AndrewSmith-lg8dj]

all of the amps

[@williewhiskeywonkah5672]

Great video! What do you think is the best 6505 model in the ax8?

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

- 6160+ Crunch & Crunch Bright with mids near 0 and boosted with a TS - 6160+ Lead, which doesn't need a bosot but benefits from the Cut feature

[@lucwilson1]

Ryan - What tailpiece and nut are those on your SG?

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Gibson TP-6 for the tailpiece, and a Kahler locking nut.

[@NorgGrimm]

What's that bridge on the SG?

[@joshww2339]

Sleep or GTFO 👊

[@Trilobite8jesus]

Wasn’t Brent using jcm 800’s during those times?

[@litos_mendes]

actually a jmp mk2 ... a jcm 800 basically and bill a marshall jcm 800 2210

[@FUXCOOLog]

Love you bro but your vo needs de-essing in the new space

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Yeah I noticed on playback, through FRFRs, but not when editing on headphones. It's an easy fix going forward, just one more plugin ont he chain.

[@DanielDavis730]

These amps sound like a fuzz pedal .not my cup of tea