Plant Based News REACTS To Carnivore vs Vegan Debate

[@defenderoftheadverb]

Anecdote over science? Dr Robert Kiltz should lose his license.

[@MS45636]

science said jab remember

[@bryant475]

​@@MS45636Nope, it didn't. Thank God I didn't jab! WFPB for the win :)

[@Amshatelia88]

I'm terrified that man is an OB 😢

[@NevilleWran945]

@@MS45636 True and science is just concensus not fact.

[@clairai]

he doesn't lose his license because he can make infertile women pregnant. his approach leads to real results for better health and fertility. scientific literature can have non-transparent messaging and conflicts of interest. systematic reviews are not the ground truth, randomized controlled trials are required to conclude things. instead of waiting on these trials, what can we do now to help those in need

[@arnibah]

I'm 69 years old and the only baby boomer in my family that is not on prescription medicine. I have been vegan for 14 years and vegetarian for 8 years before that.😇

[@larsonpark3819]

And your family probably looks at you as the weirdo.

[@NevilleWran945]

Nice, I prefer steak.

[@arnibah]

@@NevilleWran945 I prefer not to risk good health over tasting animal flesh😇

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

he talks about government and fails to mention how they support meat and dairy far more than any part of the food industry!

[@bonnieschmidt5882]

What about pharma and those companies producing ultra-processed junk foods and desserts or high-fructose, sugary drinks? Aren’t they putting billions into lobbying?

[@bonnieschmidt5882]

Where’s the evidence that the WHO is depending? You stating opinions, not facts.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

@@bonnieschmidt5882 lol the who among many organizations. Not opinions but facts. Wake up silly

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

@@bonnieschmidt5882 Forcing their existence to feed, pretend to care for before slaughter, house, supplement, feed medicines, antibiotics, hormones etc... at least 10 times more non-human animals than there are human animals. That alone makes the point clear. Then there's opportunity cost which from plant food alone and adjusting for nutritional profiles like protein, estimates are up to 20 fold more people could be fed from opportunity costs in existing plant ag production. This means if everyone switched to plant based diet, we could feed up to 20 times more people and reduce land usage at the same time. And that could be as much as 75-80% reduced land usage. . In case that wasn't clear enough, a healthy ecosystem has more plants than animals, it just has to. It's the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Plants, autotrophs are producers of energy. 90% of energy is lost every step up the food chain. There are naturally more plants than animals eating plants (herbivores) and more animals eating plants than animals eating animals for there to be a healthy ecosystem. We are made of and consumed by bacteria. I do not want to bring necrotic putrefying flesh decaying bacteria into my lifespace, much less inside of me. A plant-based diet tends to foster healthier gut bacteria and is generally less risky in terms of harmful bacteria or metabolites. Then of course antibiotic resistant bacteria, deadly pathogens and zoonotic diseases that create the majority of our infectious diseases, etc... In other words, by eating animals you're essentially killing yourself even down to encouraging the growth of the very bacteria that will consume you. It's no wonder consuming animals, eating within the animal kingdom, creates "autoimmune diseases" and almost all chronic diseases that stem from chronic inflammation. Again, that energy that is lost up to a trophic level, comes in the form of antioxidants that offset the inflammatory process of metabolizing. This is why plants have on average 64 times MORE antioxidants. For this and many other reasons plants are anti-inflammatory. In short, eating animals is the most significant cause of all our diseases; chronic diseases which are the leading causes of mortality replacing infectious diseases which used to be the leading causes of mortality. The problem is, we can't treat these in the same way. Tackling infectious diseases essentially gave us new lifespans. In these new lifespans we have new diseases, chronic diseases that are usually inflammation based. Both infectious/communicable and chronic/noncommunicable diseases have a behavioral origin, both most often due to our relationship with nonhuman animals. But these new chronic diseases in our new life spans are behavioral. This means they require lifestyle changes. This means having intention, being mindful of what we're doing instead of mindlessly consuming. We are perpetuating a behavior we were weaned into without our understanding. Infectious diseases are easier to deal with, just take a shot. Noncommunicable diseases like cardiometabolic diseases, to the extent of which they are in our control, are profoundly more challenging for most people. Change in general is enough to make it challenging. People just don't like to change, even if it's for their own good. Doctors don't deal with lifestyle, they only work with symptom management. Eating animals is not sustainable, even when they greenwash it's easy to discern how unstainable it is. Like salmon suppliers claim that they can raise millions of salmon sustainably every year. This wouldn't even feed the population for one day. Obviously, that's not sustainable. What they're doing is saying they're not toxic, so it's sustainable for the environment. But, they're normalizing something that isn't sustainable. This also bioaccumulates environmental toxins on top of it. So herbicides and pesticides are one thing, now you have to worry about dioxins, pcbs, mercury, etc... biomagnification in the fatty flesh of fish. And it's completely not necessary. Just eat nuts, seeds, greens, legumes, grains, etc... and you'll get everything you need from plants. Except B-12 which is synthesized by bacteria, again, something we can get more naturally, safely, and sustainably, taking a supplement directly. And when I say sustainably, I mean a significant or most often the entire population would be able to do this. Of course there's rural, third world, etc... that we can't extrapolate to at this time. What matters is what each and everyone one of us does, starting with ourselves. We do the best we can, we inevitably demonstrate this, anecdotes are useless unless they're corroborated by science (like mine are ;) ), and ultimately moving in the best direction. That's why I love veganism. What's healthiest for me is best in every way, it's most sustainable/abundant, most compassionate, cleanest, healthspan and lifespan promoting in every way. That's why we have the most impressive array of evidence from all the leading health organizations, independently researched dietary guidelines around the globe are more and more moving plant forward, even the world health organization, academy of nutrition and dietetics, kaiser permanente, national academy of sciences, etc... We even have the American College of Lifestyle Medicine, and other many long standing organizations such as the National Health Association, TrueNorth, Hippocrates Wellness, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, NutritionFacts, etc... The evidence is inescapable if you're actually looking for significant evidence, not just a confirmation bias. It's easy with so many different doctors, scientists, longtime, lifelong, multigen, athletes, etc... that are vegans themself today. Why is this significant? Because this is overwhelmingly corroborated by the totality of science. This is why more and more people are raising their children this way. And that's why in 2025 there needs to be a much larger change!

[@johnnym6700]

Some people are paid to lie.....

[@zenn3339]

Look at politicians.

[@_Bush_Bush_]

'More people are allergic to plants than anything' - Proceeds to hide from 2 in 3 being dairy intolerance

[@Drgluee]

He is trying to make it big by any means necessary, telling people what they want to hear and lying all the way to the bank. Since he is intentionally harming people, this violates his oath, his license should be revoked immediately.. And I'm extremely lactose intolerant, my gut is upset for nearly a week if I eat diary directly, and if I have it by mistake in even the smallest amounts I'm getting a stomach ache for sure.

[@Auguur]

​@@Drgluee Yup, this clown is just another Dr. Baker, who lost his license by harming his patients through his own obsession with meat and rejection of science.

[@davidhutchinson5233]

Fiber causes colon cancer? LOL...this guy is NUTS. I went for real PBV in 2018 and reduced my overall cholesterol from 275 to 156.

[@MsCValentiner]

Yes, hat's so nuts! Look at WHO gets colon cancer, it's those who hardly eat any fiber!

[@CharlieFader]

These people are also cholesterol-deniers.

[@chrisharwood5456]

You expressed my thoughts exactly 👍this Dr is deranged 🥴😡

[@FormerIFBBJudge]

It does, people are eating more fiber than ever, and more young people have colon cancer. Fiber is not for human consumption.

[@frankchen4229]

@@FormerIFBBJudge show data.

[@FOSsiiLz]

I listened to this whole debate. I do not think this was a debate about carnivore versus plant based. I think this was a debate between two people with different conceptions of reality. Where the carnivore advocate did not believe in absolute truth, that leaves no way to establish hard fact, which means there’s no way to conduct scientific inquiry. I don’t see how he can call himself a scientist if he does not believe there’s any such thing as absolute truth. If truth is as relative as what you believe, or I believe, then science has no standing in life.

[@Chaotist]

Precisely! That's the biggest issue these days, relativism and especially moral relativism. It's the sickness of mind which prevents any further growth or even a healthy functioning in daily life.

[@jgreen9361]

You have basically nailed the argument. I would question the term absolute truth though. Science works on probability. When all the evidence points at one conclusion we have overwhelming weight of evidence, not absolute truth. We don’t know the significance of what we don’t know. What this Carnivore guy does is take anecdotes from Carnivore advocates and elevates them to the level of truth. He is like the guy at the roulette table who sees people winning 50% of the time on red or black and decides to bet on zero. He may get lucky personally, but telling everyone to bet on zero is going to disappoint a heck of a lot of people eventually.

[@NevilleWran945]

No such thing as absolute truth. In science, ideas can never be completely proved or completely disproved. Instead, science accepts or rejects ideas based on supporting and refuting evidence, and may revise those conclusions if warranted by new evidence or perspectives.

[@jgreen9361]

@ True, complete proof can be close but not 100%, that is how science works, but it’s often misused either deliberately or out of ignorance by those arguing for a view that opposes overwhelming scientific evidence. A couple of anecdotes by canoeists who escaped from an alligator attack without a scratch doesn’t make an alligator as safe as a sheep. When the common sense of people who live day to day close to alligators is backed up by strong historical statistical evidence, the idea that alligators are safe is not an opposing argument, it is just a few statistical outliers from the total data set of alligator human interactions.

[@Chaotist]

@@NevilleWran945 If your first statement is true, then it is self-contradicting.

[@isabellezablocki7447]

On top of that, this guy defending meat and animal products is wearing an ostensible cross on his chest. That kind of Christian that says love your neighbor but kill the next animal you meet.

[@georgewilson7808]

Colo-rectal cancer. The World Health Organization, based on over 800 studies, has classified processed meat (bacon, ham, deli sliced meats, canned meats, others) as a class 1 carcinogen like smoking cigarettes. Red meat, beef and pork, is classified as a class 2 carcinogen. The lifetime risk of developing colorectal cancer is about 1 in 23 for men and 1 in 25 for women.

[@bac0129]

@@georgewilson7808 The same WHO controlled by the CCP-PRC before, during, and after Covid?

[@jordanlome2180]

I agree, but I think those ratings were done by the IARC: Intl Agency of Cancer Research not the WHO.

[@MS45636]

same organization claimed jab safe

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

You have faith in the WHO? Ouch!

[@georgewilson7808]

@Unmasking_Viandalisme I do. Do what you want, you will be the one suffering and dying early.

[@mrMankx]

This world is ridiculus.... Lactose intolerance.... Yeah your not a baby cow meant to grow up to a huge cow.... You have a herbavore mouth.... you feel empathy for the animals.... Everything point to vegansim!💚

[@lotismade]

I support your cause, but just like we aren't meant to drink a cow's milk we are also not meant to eat grass like a cow. We are not herbivores. We are a mix of all kinds of eaters and the real issue is sutainable and ethical sourcing of food wether it be coffee or cows. Much love!

[@vegangames3468]

@@lotismadekilling innocent life is not ethical. No matter how you dress it up.

[@mrMankx]

@@lotismade Coffee is poison, its literally ashes that brings out the toxins in the plant, humans are 100% raw herbivore, everything else is self deception and excuses. Its kinda obvious.💚

[@mrMankx]

​@@lotismade Coffee is poison, its literally ashes, humans are 100% raw herbivore, all else is self deception and excuses...

[@VerdantJedi]

@@lotismade First, nobody is claiming we are meant to eat grass like cows. Veganism is about consuming a wide variety of plant-based foods suitable for human digestion and nutrition, not grazing on grass. This comparison is misleading and irrelevant. Second, pointing out that humans are not herbivores doesn’t justify eating animals. Just because humans are anatomically omnivorous does not mean we need to consume animal products. Modern science shows that humans can thrive on a completely plant-based diet at all stages of life. Being capable of eating animals is not a moral justification for doing so. Third, claiming the real issue is 'sustainable and ethical sourcing' ignores the inherent problems with animal agriculture. It is neither sustainable nor ethical to exploit and kill sentient beings unnecessarily, regardless of how it is done. The most sustainable and ethical choice is to avoid animal products altogether. Your attempt to frame this as a compromise between coffee and cows completely misses the point. Veganism challenges the exploitation of animals altogether, not just the 'unsustainable' or 'unethical' parts of it. If we can live without harming animals, we should. That’s the bottom line.

[@Chaotist]

When I see a cross on someone's chest, I doubt his ability to discern truth from blind faith...

[@falsificationism]

The rhetorical move is so clear: Instill fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They don't need to win the debate. All they need to do is make us second guess the very clear evidence for plant-based diets. That keeps meat, dairy, and eggs in the dietary rotation. At best, listeners simply _reduce_ our meat consumption like we _reduced_ our cigarette consumption in the 1970s.

[@basbleupeaunoire]

YEP. With the help of lazybones journalism, they've been very successful at getting people to say "The scientists don't know! They change their minds all the time! EVERYTHING is bad for you!"

[@RealEstateInsider247]

"Rhetorical move"? It sounds like you don't believe there is any substance to the healthy effects of animal based food. If so, you definitely haven't been listening to what has been going on. I assure you, their objective is genuinely about health, not instilling fear & doubt (like comparing meat to cigarette consumption in the 1970's). If you follow some of the carnivore or keto channels, that good new about animal based food is spreading more and more. Illnesses are being overcome. They are tons of upsides to animal based food. Expect to hear about studies in the near future also. Yes, I've tried plant based, omnivore, meat based, and carnivore. I DEFINITELY feel better eating lots of meat & eggs.

[@NevilleWran945]

Meanwhile meat demand is increasing and oustripping population growth.

[@humblerenell1015]

10yr ago. I struggle with weight lose, pain, bad breath. I ran into a Dr. That was plant base. He educated me on plants power. I took on plant base diet that completely changed my life. Cook plants for 8yr and 2yr raw plant. I feel better then ever.

[@susan6437]

“This is dreadful! Not the suffering and death of the animals, but that man suppresses in himself, unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity-that of sympathy and pity toward living creatures like himself-and by violating his own feelings becomes cruel. And how deeply seated in the human heart is the injunction not to take life!” ― Leo Tolstoy, The First Step: An Essay On the Morals of Diet, to Which Are Added Two Stories

[@dachsrottweiler]

💚

[@SurTrailDoesAll]

@dachsrottweilerI love this quote. I do vegan reviews on movies and anime’s. And being it back to a vegan narrative and would love your thoughts on it. And I will have to read this whole article. Thank you for this.

[@CraigWeston62]

The question you should be asking is, who is paying him to say this..

[@Human_Herbivore]

Doctors who lie about the science like him are really not helping doctors in general. The trust will be destroyed.

[@Kayte...]

It already is.

[@Human_Herbivore]

@Kayte... Not in general, but this should really annoy other doctors and should tbh be a licence issue.

[@davidslater9297]

TOO late, Covid fiasco destroyed the trust 😢.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

@@Kayte... yes it is!

[@stefanm4914]

they should end up in jail

[@kentroskelley1389]

So the animals he eats, eat plants. Isn’t he afraid of the so called “plant toxins” in the meat? I’d like to see his daily diet. If he’s transparent and willing to show his blood work and other vitals in five years, he may be in for a big surprise. It makes one suspicious if he has family/friends in the animal agriculture business, or big beef is funding him.I feel bad for his patients.

[@thegoblonoid]

That guy should make a tv show where he's a carnivore detective and the killer is always a plant. *finds a piece of lettuce in a pool of blood* "hmm, just as I suspected..."

[@susan6437]

I have a very simple view... When the life force leaves the body of a sentient being, the body immediately starts to break down...literally begins to rot. How can this dead and rotting flesh have any nutrients?

[@Master_Roach]

I feel like that's true of plants too though. They start rotting the second you disconnect them from the stem, but they still have nutrients.

[@MsCValentiner]

@@Master_Roach What!? Grains? Rice? Lentils? Carrots? Etc. They don't rot.

[@starcatcher3691]

Minerals stay with food no matter what.

[@susan6437]

@ Yes, fresh is best. This brings up a very good point re meat. ... the flesh is injected with dye and other dangerous chemicals to stop the quick rotting and also to make it palatable, no one wants to see or buy black flesh . By the time that meat ends up on the table, weeks have gone by. I read some years ago that the red dye injected into meat was banned from baby food. Just as bad for adults. But most of all and my reason for choosing plant based is that I do not have the right to take the life of a sentient being.

[@Master_Roach]

@@MsCValentiner yes all of those foods will eventually rot even if stored properly. I've had plenty of rotten carrots in my own fridge.

[@Noneya777]

Did he really just say anecdotal evidence is more relevant than scientific studies? what a clown....how can anyone take him seriously?

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

it is what they want to hear and not necessarily the truth!

[@camkennison2279]

Much more relevant to a vast number of people because it’s not as corrupt or biased. Plus humans are carnivores physiologically so he already has a winning argument.

[@Hikari7775]

@@camkennison2279 Anecdotes aren't biased??? You guys are hilarious 😂😂😂😂

[@s.figuur]

@@Hikari7775 Anecdotes are personal reports, so no they are not automatically biased - it's people sharing their results. Just because it's not within the context of a scientific study in a lab somewhere, it doesn't mean it's not valid - and when it's people sharing the good and bad within a community of people looking for health solutions, no big industry is paying each of them for their shared accounts. I'm not sure why it's hilarious to you, but I've read that if you don't have animal protein for long enough it impairs brain function, and also causes anxiety and general irritability - perhaps your need to bang on punctuation keys repeatedly and find simple concepts funny is related to that.

[@Hikari7775]

@@s.figuur Of course personal anecdotes are biased, there is no adjustments, no peer reviews, no control group. We have no idea what these people were really eating before or what they are eating right now, no idea of their actual blood work, etc. If someone smokes 2 packs a day and claims to be perfectly healthy after decades of doing so, do you conclude that smoking is healthy? You need to learn about the hierarchy of evidence mate, anecdotes are at the very bottom for a reason. And your claims about the consequences of not having animal proteins are complete BS, and you also do not provide evidence for them.

[@georgewilson7808]

I suffered from metabolic syndrome (obesity, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and high blood sugar). I went whole food plant based no sugar or oil and low salt and I lost 65 pounds, all my conditions greatly improved, my gums stopped bleeding, and erections and energy returned. I used to have an appetite that was never satisfied; whole foods cured it. I no longer use a sleep apnea machine. Finally, the food is cheap-Beans, lentils, sprouted flourless grain bread, rice, oats, potatoes and seasonal apples. Also, I save money by not having to buy pills or visit the Doctor. I am thankful to all the vegans who suffered attacks to reveal the truth to me.

[@Drgluee]

Excellent news George!

[@willfullyinformed]

@11:00 Just wanted to add that this entirely explains why meat eaters have an inflamed look to them. Over the years, as they get into their 30's, 40's, etc. they all look "thick" or inflamed around their heads/faces and their entire body regardless of if they workout or not. You can tell almost immediately if someone eats a lot of meat, it's a long-term effect, but it's not "old age", it's purely that you're treating your body poorly for decades and overtime it starts to reveal itself. The most obvious/direct form of this is arthritis in the fingers/joints, which is literally just inflammation being caused by lifestyle/environment.

[@beachbaby7]

Exactly. Meat is a slow kill. I'm a vegetarian in my late 60s and have the bloodwork of people in their twenties. People think I'm in my late 40s or early 50s. I feel great on no medication. Carnivores are the unhealthiest people I know.

[@saywhat303]

The dude is wearing a cross, so he's used to talking complete bollocks.

[@Drgluee]

Eh, that's a mixed bag, I know plenty of people that show up to church for the community efforts but just fake being religious.. Habit I suppose.

[@saywhat303]

@@Drgluee FIne, but they don't need to wear a cross for that and the second you put one on, you're embracing a crock.

[@NevilleWran945]

Ok lefty.

[@saywhat303]

@@NevilleWran945 lol "Turn the other cheek".

[@NevilleWran945]

@@saywhat303 Why would I? I am not religious let alone Christian.

[@vegangames3468]

Simon Hill 💙🍇🍋🫐🍊🍑🍇👌🏾

[@mayito8531]

Just another doctor paid by the meat and dairy industry.

[@ramonaboggio7402]

@mayito8531 🎯🎯🎯

[@jenerlee]

Kiltz actually claimed that most studies have PLANT bias funding!

[@lorenzobunn1944]

Got any proof. That is like me saying any doctor that promotes wfpb is funded by the world economic forum and other industries pushing a plant based diets.

[@CastledarkDweller27]

“Doctor” should be in inverted commas in his case, purely for his one belief that EATING PLANTS CAUSES DISEASE!🤣🤣🤣

[@crotchet1586]

Using the tobacco, fosil fuel industries play book

[@gomezfriesen]

Does this mean that I win a million dollars?! I used to eat some animal products, but not much. I had Ulcerative Colitis. It was so bad, the doctors wanted to remove my colon. I switched to a plant based diet. To go in remission, I ate nothing but bananas, papayas, and steamed sweet potatoes (soluble fiber). My gut healed. After coming out of remission, I added back in plants only. That was 7 years ago. I am still in remission. Also, my Iritis, and asthma all went away. But wait, there more. My wife, who was told she couldn't have children biologically, also switch to a plant based diet after I did. Suprise of our life when she became pregnant, and now we have a very healthy 2 year old running around! Fiber is king!

[@Drgluee]

That is amazing news! Kudos!

[@georgewilson7808]

The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. The ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2, which included a large population of Seventh-day Adventists, found that individuals following a vegetarian diet (including both lacto-ovo vegetarians and vegans) had a lower risk of developing coronary heart disease compared to meat eaters. The study highlighted the protective effects of plant-based diets. Participants: 96,000 Adventists living in the U.S. and Canada.

[@ArtyAntics]

I don’t know how all the keto ppl haven’t got scurvy. I have severe food allergies, plant based calmed them down because the main one for me was milk. Also got my fibromyalgia under control (along with trauma therapy). There was a study at San Diago university that said more than 20% animal fat leads to cancer. But they went out for steak after. Cognitive dissonance is crazy.

[@lesterlasa3367]

Fiber is bad for you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he’s crazy

[@clivesmith9377]

More like payed by the meat industry. Immoral.

[@anthonychanning3954]

How is he a doctor?

[@lesterlasa3367]

@ right????

[@Psartz]

carnivore cult.

[@lesterlasa3367]

@ spot on bro 😎

[@kicknitoldskool]

This is the PB News the people need.

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

Dietary experience + research + faith in Christ Jesus = today's perfect lunch of steak & eggs & a tomato, with buttered toast.

[@kicknitoldskool]

@Unmasking_Viandalisme Sounds like a lovely recipe for ignorance, lots of pride, greed, lust, gluttony - fascinating. Jesus would be drowning you for real.

[@kicknitoldskool]

@Unmasking_Viandalisme "Thou shalt not kill" Jeebus comin' for you

[@georgewilson7808]

The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. The ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2 found the more animal products the 7th day Adventists removed from the human diet, the lower the body weight and the lower the risk of type 2 diabetes. Participants: 96,000 Adventists living in the U.S. and Canada.

[@pathfinder1273]

They say you should never judge a book by its cover, but if I went to see a doctor and he looked like a born-again Churchian punk rocker, I think I would probably excuse myself...

[@Kristers_K]

It's so disturbing that so many people listen to people like him and take his advice. He is quite literally leading people to disease and early death. And honestly i don't know how to combat this. Sure we have plant based/vegan physicians putting themselves out there, but their popularity and influence pales compared to bullsh!tters like these.

[@michaelchristensen2786]

Thanks for the video! The misinformation out there is astounding. It even gets worse in the political sphere

[@georgewilson7808]

Dairy consumption increases breast cancer. Dairy is full of the hormone estradiol because the dairy cow is milked while it is pregnant and it has been measured in the milk. The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2 showed the more milk the Adventists consumed the higher the breast cancer. This study was confirmed by a study in China, CHINA KADOORIE BIOBANK STUDY. The Conclusion: The more dairy you consume the higher your breast cancer risk. ¼ cup/day of milk increases breast cancer risk by 17%.

[@georgewilson7808]

More than just LDL: On the carnivore diet you are going to experience low energy after eating. You are going to experience constipation because you are not eating any fiber. Your insulin level will be nearly double on the carnivore diet. Cortisol level is a measure of how stressed the body is and it will go up on the carnivore diet. IGF-1 is a measure of cancer risk; IGF-1 will increase on the carnivore diet. C reactive protein is a measure of inflammation in the body; C reactive protein will increase on the carnivore diet. Testosterone gives males youth and vigor; your testosterone levels will plummet on the carnivore diet. LDL cholesterol is a health marker of risk of heart attack and stroke; LDL will go up on the carnivore diet.

[@lorenzobunn1944]

Can you prove that ldl causes heart disease?

[@georgewilson7808]

@@lorenzobunn1944 Read the 75 year (and still going) multi generational Framingham Heart Study. That is what they found.

[@georgewilson7808]

The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life; they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.

[@deeebeee1758]

Look at Kiltz's elbow. Is that gout? I think it is.

[@MS45636]

hmmm speculative

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

He is so far off base from the truth it is a sad state of affairs. Who funds his illiteracy? Meat and dairy?

[@georgewilson7808]

22 sets of twins tried both vegan and meat diets. Researchers at Stanford University studied the twins' cardiovascular health. After eight weeks following their respective diets, the twin siblings who ate a vegan diet had lost more weight, reduced their LDL, or "bad" cholesterol, and experienced lower insulin levels, according to the study's findings. "The findings from this trial suggest that a healthy plant-based diet offers a significant protective cardiometabolic advantage compared with a healthy omnivorous diet," the study's authors wrote. The study, published Nov. 30 in the journal JAMA Network Open.

[@georgewilson7808]

Twin study Addendum: The telomere caps measured longer in the vegan group and shorter in the meat group suggesting the meat eaters were aging faster.. Additionally, the Epigenetic Biological clocks showed the vegan group was aging more slowly and the meat group was aging more quickly.

[@Drgluee]

@@georgewilson7808 unfortunately, there is no reasoning with these people.. And even when they have a heart attack or other CVD, they blame the lettuce on the Big Mac, or the side salad at Chili's they ate before going carnivore.

[@starcatcher3691]

Thanks for putting out videos such as these. It's stressful to watch other people's delusions and know what it is doing to the planet and animals and to human health. My sister is brother in law are deluded. She keeps having the same problems, for years, in fact maybe two decades or more and she keeps trying to solve it with meat centered diet pushed by brother in law. She never solves her problems, ever. Meanwhile, I am here with no blood sugar issues, no high cholesterol or high blood sugar but they think my way is the wrong way. So sad. It's all delusion.

[@coryleblanc]

Bet you a billion dollars fibre isn't unhealthy

[@johto]

Its a nobrainer if you are not brainwashed. For all the vegans, go eat sawdust(pure fiber) and ask your bleeding guts how it likes it ?

[@rubenpuls353]

Carnivore dude: "I bet it's like this... I believe it's like that..." Betting and believing are not very scientific.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Jenny Mitich YT influencer keeps have consistent health issues, hair loss, deficiencies, and now hashimotos disease. I swear she has been sick more in 18 months than I have in 58 years. However, it has nothing to do with the carnivore diet. It is all about the money for these influencers. Lactose intolerant is stating we should not drink cow lactatations

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Plant based doctors have had the same success stories for many decades. Gerson, Kempner, ... In Asia the rice diet curing for centuries. It's not like patients only respond to a carnivor-ish diet.

[@frankwilliams3036]

I think the whole carnivore diet craze is astroturfed. This is a very recent trend I believe it coincides with the societal movement toward a plant-based lifestyle. The meat and diary industry are feeling the pinch on their profits and the carnivore "movement" is their way of striking back, people's health be damned. I would love to see whose money is behind some of these carnivore influencers. Here's an anecdote for you. I am the only one in my immediate family not to get type 2 diabetes. Guess what type of diet I eat?

[@georgewilson7808]

New Study released 08/20/2024. Regularly eating red (beef and pork) and processed meats in particular is associated with a higher risk of TYPE 2 DIABETES, according to an analysis of data from 31 study cohorts published Tuesday in the journal The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology. Researchers analyzed data from nearly 2 million people across 20 countries.

[@itsalluphl]

My anecdotal counter to his colorectal cancer is my mother’s experience with the disease. After getting gall stones removed surgically she misunderstood her dietary instructions and eliminated most veggies from her diet. Fast forward - after learning she was unable to eliminate she had surgery to remove over a fistful of dried waste, a portion of her atrophied large intestines, and they had to reposition her stoma just under her belly button. She lived the rest of her life forced to use an ostomy bag. This guy is discredit to the oath he took!

[@Drgluee]

Sorry for your loss.

[@itsalluphl]

@@Drgluee Thank you ❣️

[@awolf913]

The science doesn’t say vegan as the optimal diet necessarily but what is evident is a more plant based diet is better overall for health.

[@Drgluee]

So, while you're sitting on the fence deciding where you want to land, do you want some fresh squeezed lemonade or an iced tea?

[@MC-cz5qd]

Is he funded by the meat, dairy and/or egg industry? Or the pharmaceutical? To keep people sick? Because that’s my take on it. 😂 ANIMALS ARE FRIENDS, not food. ❤ If you want empathy, have empathy-for all beings.

[@GehresWeed]

2 minutes in and just don't have time for this nonsense and misinformation. Plant powered here. love channel but bye for now.

[@SurTrailDoesAll]

Why did that guy die? lol dude no matter how fat or skinny; healthy or unhealthy. Death waits for us all. We can’t take anything with us but soul or memories. What ever you want to call it. And when I die I want to be the best version of myself promoting life or death. Taking life from anyone for selfish reasons when you are not fighting for your life is wrong.

[@beachbaby7]

Eating meat and lard = clogged veins and arteries. Everyone knew this at one time. What happened?

[@KasKade7]

Stop feeding the carnivore trolls. 🤣

[@Drgluee]

Sometimes it is hard not too! 😎

[@ritamorim100]

A person paid by meat industry

[@Yourhighnessnona]

I understand some people thrive on this diet because it's the ultimate elimination diet. As someone with the most insane food intollerances and a body prone to inflamation, I understanf why this would work TEMPORARILY. Not to talk about the horrible farming industry.

[@georgewilson7808]

“I do know this, I was on keto for 5+ years and I loved it. Then I had a heart attack which I attribute to the animal proteins and high fats. Now I am following the Ornish lifestyle, which is four parts but includes plant based, low fat, and low sugar.” juilstahl

[@NevilleWran945]

Different strokes for different folks. Meat is definitely on my menu.

[@georgewilson7808]

@@NevilleWran945 “Hi Tom. I also had 5 tiny strokes and one major one on the carnivore diet. I hope you get off the carnivore diet. Also you might get Dr Esselstyn’s book How To Reverse Heart Disease. His Whole Foods plant based diet is actually proven to reverse heart disease. Plus you will lose weight. God bless you.” fiftyplusbeauty

[@georgewilson7808]

“A very smart and well informed friend of mine started following Dr Paul Mason a few years back, and was inspired to reject medical orthodoxy, go full carnivore, and rationalize her sky-high cholesterol. Her calcium score was zero, which was encouraging, and she wasn’t eating any carbs to glycate her blood lipids. Nevertheless, as medical orthodoxy would have predicted, she is now fighting for her life in intensive care following a sudden heart attack. Let it be a warning if your lipid scores are off the charts.” rdnzl

[@suzannec.6468]

Thank you! I had a really hard time watching Dr. Kiltz (more like Dr. Kills) in that debate. Sad that people believe and follow his recommendations.

[@arnibah]

He wouldn't bet a billion dollars on that🤣

[@TheUnhousedWanderer]

Y'all know that humans don't eat ONLY plants or meat, right? You know we're omnivores, right?

[@awolf913]

Correct but more leaning towards plants.

[@inharmonywithearth9982]

Humans are primate mammals and none of the hundreds of varieties primates are designed to be scavengers of dead animals.

[@lorenzobunn1944]

@@awolf913no, more leaning towards carnivorous

[@awolf913]

@ the evidence simply doesn’t support that case. More diversity of plants ensures more polyphenols which is better for your gut.

[@schmassbinder]

*Frugivores

[@benjammin105123]

I guess we'll have to always deal with the lies spread around and confusing everyone.

[@scottyg5403]

I started listening to that debate and the carnivore guy seemed so full of it that I couldn't even listen to the rest!! Admittedly I am a big fan of Simon Hill and I eat a mainly plant-based diet which fuels my workouts and for me is definitely the healthiest!!!

[@Skankovic]

Just another liver king

[@7in1]

What a comedian!🔥🔥🔥 This man deserves a proper 🤡 clown's outfit! 👍

[@NewEnglandInSeattle]

I tried to listen to he original just to give Simon the views, but I had to quit halfway through out of frustration.

[@kovy689]

Anderson Cooper ain’t doing too well…

[@tsbspionkop]

One guy looks washed out and the other a picture of health...

[@greenyenergy]

I'm sorry but when I see someone with pink hair and a nose ring I tune out and don't listen to what they say.

[@Drgluee]

Yeah, I understand that, and her lying to get into a carnivore rally didn't set right with me..

[@bryant475]

True, but she's right.

[@Drgluee]

@@bryant475 I agree, but really, pink hair aside, the lying shows a lot about her character.

[@jordanlome2180]

Please get accurate or she dilutes the credibility of her valid conclusions. India has tripled dairy consumption since the "White Revolution" of the early70's specifically designed to increase it's contribution to the economy resulting in ever greater numbers of a fat, diabetic, heart diseased population. Hindus have always consumed milk because of, among other things, it's perceived connection with Krishna. India is growing fatter and sicker every year because it's successful economic growth feeds the increase in "western" food : animal food and ultraprocessed food. A literal disaster.

[@davidslater9297]

Hello there, I have a theory: "The only way we can consume animal products with peace in our hearts is if we are able to master a few traits and three spring to mind. Select compassion. An ability to disconnect from reality. An unwillingness to confront inconvenient truths. WOW! Pretty undesirable traits to have in about 95% of a society 😢. Davo,from sunny beautiful Australia 😊.

[@megatallica091]

Oh really, plants are poisonous? Well did you know animals are venomous???

[@Jarppiavelli]

I am a vegan and I struggle with strong allergies. It would be easier for me to consume meat, not gonna lie, no IgE symptoms whatsoever. I am most of the time on a very constrictive diet if I do not want to have gut issues, bad dermatitis, breathing issues or general MCAS or allergy flares. As I think veganism is the best solution for the environment and ethically superior and also the healthiest diet out there (and my blood counts are exceptionally good better than my peers), the point that allergies can restrict your veganism is for some of us with high IgEs against pollen etc. a LEGIT POINT. But I know I am an outlier and a sicker person with fucked up genetics compared to the average citizen, and I agree that for them this diet should be EASY, the biggest issue is the hedonism and cultural & collective pressure/bias, let's be honest meaty dishes taste good. I cannot personally eat high amounts of soy, lentils, peas or pea protein, fruits, chocolate, nuts or seeds without serious issues and negative general symptoms (itching, allergic asthma etc. you name it). I am also sensitive to glutein and do not tolerate milk protein (especially casein) well. I am constantly on a heavy dose of anthistamines, C-vitamin, quercetine, asthma medication and consume mostly rise, oat, corn, cooked carrots, broccoli and cauliflower, frozen berries, beans, table sugar, salt, (2g of cocoa per day) and avoid heavy amounts of spices. I am an athlete and eat for performance and health but it is a very restrictive and ascetic diet athat not many of the common folks could handle. I have been used to it dictated by necessity and I also am a person willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. But my life would be easier if I consumet meat, I use heavy amounts of rice protein to fill my high protein needs that is usually well-tolerated. I also eat minimally fats and as many carbs as possible to support my sports and muscle building endeavors. So the point that some of the carnitards or omnivores are making about allergies are true for a High-IgE person. This is an anecdote and I am aware that I am an outlier, but this is a reality I have to live with on a daily basis.

[@mayhu3282]

I'm vegan, but really, in your circumstances I would choose to eat whatever were best for my health. "Practicable and possible", remember. All the best.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Peace for all of humanity begins on our plate ~VEGAN~

[@nicholeurban288]

I couldn't make it through the entire debate because he pulls out random info constantly and avoids answering questions.

[@twilliams9362]

You listen to what works best for your body. I have severe allergies to nuts, tomatoes, seafood, dairy and oxalates in plants and teas. Oxalates caused severe joint pain, so I had to stop eating foods and drinking teas high in oxalates. I can enjoy One meal a day of meat, protein and a few supplements. Lost weight, feel better, It works for me. Do what works for you. We are not all the same.

[@VegaNorm79]

Such a quack! But very dangerous!!🤥

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

The carnivore community claims heme iron is needed for health! LOL Carnivore and denial are synonymous

[@colsylvester639]

It's performance from Kiltz, nothing else. The heavy overuse of the word "belief" but with passion carries weight for the unsophisticated!

[@joseluiscorreao.2679]

Thank you ❤

[@Psartz]

1:37 Excessive protein breaks down into sugar too. We can not live without sugar.

[@macatak275]

are any of the blue zones 100% plant based ?

[@GarudaLegends]

No. They all eat plenty of meat

[@dachsrottweiler]

Not true. They eat little if any.

[@macatak275]

@dachsrottweiler Sardinian dietary analysis for longevity: a review of the literature "Sardinians blue zone people rely heavily on the consumption of dairy products"

[@macatak275]

@dachsrottweiler How to Live to 100: eat pork “Pork is interesting. It’s an anomaly and I would not have guessed it, but I can’t deny it. One Okinawan scientist studied this. His theory, and I’m not sure I agree with it completely, is that because pig is the most genetically similar to humans, there’s something in the pork protein that helps repair arterial damage. What he cites is that in America we die of heart disease and the Japanese tend to die of strokes, but in Okinawa they have fewer strokes. This is part of the reason they live longer. The doctor theorizes that it’s because they eat more pork than any other prefecture of Japan, and pork protein serves almost as caulking.” Dan Buettner

[@happycarnivore5481]

Vegans want to convert, just say No. Simple.

[@ItsmeCote]

At the level of fibers I consume every day, I would die young 😂😅😂

[@jedmaple]

Just lost another friend who wouldn't listen. Such a sadness of the pain Kiltz and his ilk perpetuate. He dispenses nutritional advice like preachers dispense religion.

[@BurtDavis]

Is Dr Robert Kiltz a flat earther too? Might as well be. I can only assume that he's on the Meat and Dairy payroll.

[@wraithofsolidarity]

It's some sort of mass delusion.

[@aisbcatering831]

Why is ut ALWAYS the case 'our plant advocate us a doctor, a nutritionist and a scientist.....or meat advocate is a blogger, thought leader and at best a non nutrition related scientist'

[@treewitch666]

This is bad because I have to talk to people like this. They actually believe it 😢

[@purple.room.studio]

Dont eat your vegetables! Lol come on

[@30stmFantasy]

He must be right. He's wearing a cross. 🙄

[@gavingerard2053]

Some plants can be poisonous, so not sure why those reacting to the debate appear to be sniggering. Highly processed foods consumed regularly in quantity, are pernicious to health and wellbeing.

[@ddpwe5269]

Just because you believe something, doesn't make it factual. Ah, to live your life on beliefs of something being thrown back at you with facts stating otherwise. To be that ignorant is just astonishing.

[@SurTrailDoesAll]

I love salads. Before being vegan. They are such a great refresher.

[@Drgluee]

Salads... They are just the tip of the iceberg lettuce on what plant foods are available to eat.

[@spliter227]

The way to go is whole food plant and small amounts of regenerative/wild animal products.

[@amandaelle1462]

The faces made in reaction are iconic 😂

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Food for thought (😂): Ital is pronounced eyetal. Many if not most of them eat dairy. Some also eat fish. (Their dea is fresh, natural food.) Most Hindus and Sikhs eat dairy. Many if not most Sikhs eat meat. (The vegetarian thing isn't important to them as it is in Hinduism. Fun fact though, they're not supposed to eat ritually/religiously killed meat.) So these are groups which go veggie (not usually vegan) way back, especially the Hindus. But there are also actual vegan groups which we can use in our discussions with meat eaters: Jains are a type of hindu people who are what would call vegan. There are (I think) like tens of millions of them. There is a serious buddhist, pure vegetarian (aka vegan) tradition in some parts of China. Also smaller groups in Vietnam and Korea. Ethiopian Christians ('Coptic')? who are observant have a ton if 'fasting' days when they don't eat meat and I think some don't eat much dairy (tbh I don't remember about their dairy rules.). I think they have a large portion of their years composed of these special days, so, interestingly, the majority of the country is mainly vegan for a real chonk of the year. I'm sending love and clarity for these discussions with non-vegans. Thanks for the work you all do!

[@bonnieschmidt5882]

If there’s no essential amount of carbs that we need to eat (versus protein and fat) then it doesn’t make sense that fiber is essential, not if you’re not eating carbs. I personally eat fruits and non-starchy vegetables (probably way more than most people, and I think Dr, Kiltz is a bit woo-woo for me, but please be willing to expand your own thinking. For example, consider how humans have evolved over millions to hundreds of thousands of years. Yes, as some of the larger animals became extinct and humans around the world learned how to grow grains to support our diets in terms of getting enough calories, consider how humans once they started eating grains developed smaller brains and stature, developed more cavities and diseases. Consider that all Indigenous groups have depended on animal fat. Before scientists discovered how to provide the necessary supplements, a healthy vegan diet wasn’t even possible. Talk about recent trends! Consider the recent discovery of the essential fatty acid C-15 (which most vegans are deficient in as are probably people eating a SAD diet). Consider how seed oils are produced. These are examples of how you all are ignoring evidence as well.

[@georgewilson7808]

90% of B12 supplements produced in the world are fed to livestock. Meat has B12 because animals are given supplements to eat and then those supplements enter the human diet when meat is eaten. Meat eaters like to pretend they don't need supplements, but they shovel them down the throats of the animals they eat. B12 is made by bacteria, plants and animals do not make B12. B12 is found in plants like seaweed (5 grams of nori per day is all an adult needs), algae, nutritional yeast, shiitake mushrooms, and a few others. B12 is often fortified in breakfast cereals. Adults only need 2.4 micrograms per day of B12 to meet the RDA.

[@SgtStedenko1]

Anderson Cooper is also a nutritionist??? I dont think so. !!!

[@colsylvester639]

Allergic? Seriously?