space looks so young. just like he looked when he first entered the league
@pabl0ser2 жыл бұрын
he shaved
@GreatGoatRebellion2 жыл бұрын
he has such a baby face when he shaves lmao
@jumpay65242 жыл бұрын
thank you boss baby
@Mcmole98762 жыл бұрын
He must be immortal....I've played overwatch for nearly 2000 hours and I've transcended into the 200 year old age bracket.
@iron_Will2 жыл бұрын
Kind of weird to think about that he and Super are literally the exact same age
@tlm20962 жыл бұрын
The amount of forehead in this video is off the charts
@beau99562 жыл бұрын
You know there is a lot of forehead when Super is on the panel and he has the LEAST amount of exposed forehead.
@paulden31582 жыл бұрын
Why is there so much forehead
@rent02 жыл бұрын
Lmao you got me with that
@paulden31582 жыл бұрын
Premature hairline receding
@glacier_official2 жыл бұрын
The episodes with pro players are always the best, hopefully you guys can get more pros on during the off-season.
@anmimc2 жыл бұрын
I totally get Josh’s point of “worse players” being uncertain about OW2. It’s me. I’m “worse players”. I don’t really play any FPS outside of overwatch and even then I mostly play tank or healer. I know may aim isn’t awesome and I don’t have the time to invest to get better at it. The idea that I am now going to have to play a more FPS based game does put a bit of worry on me.
@philljj25242 жыл бұрын
bingo. I don't play any FPS outside of OW as well, and was only drawn to OW because it felt RPG-like with emphasis on team & strategy based play with heroes like Rein/Zar/Mei/Mercy/etc. Or just in general because it emphasized team coordination, positioning, and management of cooldowns, as opposed to good hitscan aim or reflexes. Typical FPS games that emphasize twitch/aim don't interest me, if OW goes that direction I'll just stop playing imo. I honestly don't understand the target audience of OW2, because if a player wants a COD/counterstrike game they're probably already playing that kind of game and have no interest in MOBA oriented stuff.
@terrifyingai2 жыл бұрын
"Hey support players, want to play as a DPS But Worse? Want to be constantly deleted by overtuned flankers? Try Overwatch 2!"
@burni9882 жыл бұрын
Just play paladins then lol.
@pandakun73982 жыл бұрын
me too, I dont really like FPS side of the game and if I really wanted it so badly I would go for other games instead of OW. I hope it doesnt drive bad aimers with certain age like me away from the game
@burni9882 жыл бұрын
@@pandakun7398 play paladins. Perfect for people with bad aim
@Hiroth862 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Super was here, he confirmed all my concerns with OW2. Only way to have fun in OW2 is playing DPS or PvE.
@j-sun38212 жыл бұрын
I'm glad space is super aware of being pro players and keeps bringing it back to that point since higher level play is definitely a different world than lower/casual level of play.
@livefreeprintguns2 жыл бұрын
Space brings up a great point... if Sombra's hack gets interrupted she should have to pay the full cooldown price anyway.
@zim23182 жыл бұрын
Lmao super doesn’t realize he’s a zoomer too
@sleepymoose4532 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with Super and Space on if Overwatch would get content and a proper progression system right now it would become popular again. Streamers are what bring more casual players that go from game to game nowdays.Just look at Among us, Fortnite, Genshin etc. With no new stuff to do or work for streamers just go somewhere else where their viewers are entertained.
@colinwelsch56382 жыл бұрын
ya so many of my friends (including me) love overwatch and it’s gameplay but won’t play since it gets no content
@fulnaz31642 жыл бұрын
Apparently the only progression youd need is climbing ranks and "get better" as the endgame Some of these people are already mindwashed by WoW
@Nonresponder012 жыл бұрын
Samito went on one of his rants last a few weeks ago and he brought up a great point that echoes the streaming thing. He said that competitive needs to be more friend-friendly. As in, the top ranks (where basically every streamer is) need to be changed so they can also stack with friends and not just duo. Whether it be a tournament mode or ranked clans or something. If streamers can stack they're more likely to play because they'll have more content. It would be better for friends in all ranks to play together, which is an overall quality of life improvement, but more importantly for the games life cycle, it will mean more exposure. I also think the game should be balanced from the top down. A game developed for competition doesn't necessarily hurt casual play; but a game developed for casual play definitely hurts competitive play if not we'll balanced.
@eUnkn0wn2 жыл бұрын
@@Nonresponder01 Kind of the reason you don't get to full-stack at GM+ anymore is because there's fewer players and even fewer full groups to match against as opposed to, say, Diamond. Organized teams at that level would just roll the opposition if they went up against non-stacked teams. Watch "Shock players are crazy" by space if you want to see what would happen if stacking was allowed. The first level of organized play after ranked is the OW Open Division, which is open to everyone if said streamer groups really want to sweat it out in tournament style matches. It's still even before the Contenders Trials, so you're not going full sweat yet.
@TheNerd2 жыл бұрын
it really depends. new heroes or maps draw ppl back for a couple days but when ppl played the hero they gonna quit the game again. what ow1 would need is a system for long time motivation and right now there is nothing like it in the game. even "git gud" is not a reason since most ppl are stuck in their rank for years. that's why I think PVE is going to be super important to get right. i played this game for years and the pattern is always the same. usually I have 3-10 ppl "playing ow right now" and when there is an event or a new hero / map it spikes to like 20-30 for a couple days. if the new content becomes "old content" ppl leave again.
@The.Wallaby2 жыл бұрын
Space is looking handsome, no surprise there. Otherwise I wanted to raise a question - do you think the devs intentionally decreased ult charge significantly on this patch so that they could get a better look at ability play? Wordy question, but I can imagine that if the devs want to balance the heroes as quickly as possible, they might take away some (a lot) of the ultimates’ impact to get a closer look at the hero play/team play/ healing play outside of ultimate fights. If most of the game and team fights are played in the neutral (without ults) then maybe they want to iron out neutral balance before throwing ults back in. Basically I’m assuming the ult rework might have been intentionally temporary. I’m not developer though so this might make no sense.
@blaynegreiner93652 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense
@StuzzyB2 жыл бұрын
Interesting take!
@yourdoom3012 жыл бұрын
Very interesting thought
@actionmarco85562 жыл бұрын
Good thought
@kuzan4212 жыл бұрын
im glad space brought up the f2p thing and the consistent updates other games have. also meaningful end of season rewards. i feel like that really couldve helped overwatch and maybe we wouldnt even need 5v5 atm
@yourdoom3012 жыл бұрын
I feel the exqct same way. I believed that if the game was still getting updates and new content like more tanks, supports, maps, and game modes there is no way that overwatch would be in the place in is in now. Overwatch is a game that had the unfortunance of being neglected by the developers which inturn essential killed the game. Since games like fortnite, valorant, apex legends, and more are free and get constant updates and their developers have keep the games feeling fresh it just made overwatch feel like a one and done game. Play the game for like a week or two then leave for like a year and repeat the cycle.
@maxwelldimensio2 жыл бұрын
AKM blade will look like a speedrun in OW2
@Seiku2 жыл бұрын
Zarya cool downs should still be separate when you use separate types. Only stacking the same type should take longer to recover both. A shared universal counter just determines whether or not the other could be used when one type is used twice.
@fossforever5122 жыл бұрын
Yeah shared charges, but separate cooldown, Either that or just give her 3 charges but make each Bubble have 150hp but keep the current cooldown, just split over 3
@Bingomandingo2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was thinking that would be cool where it's like the way Zarya currently is but then there's a third little bubble icon above with its own cool down that could go to either her or another (after she used self or teammate shield) but lower the charge rate and shield health a bit. And of course I think it shouldn't be able to bubble again until a second after first orb goes down. ANYTHING would be better than her ow2 form
@Seiku2 жыл бұрын
@@Bingomandingo It's weird they kept this iteration because when I saw how it functioned in April during their April Fools experimental, I knew that it was too harsh of a penalty, but no one noticed or cared since there were tons of other changes and a 2nd tank still existed. But I know it is absolutely possible to improve it simply by tweaking how it determines the uses and counts because I was even able to do that adjustment on their own custom workshop, so definitely the developers should realize and figure that out as well.
@srobertson27982 жыл бұрын
They should remove the line of site on team bubbles. Press bubble then press 1-4 to select a teammate and they get bubble even if they are on the flank.
@dlynn43042 жыл бұрын
I wish I had a "that was easy" button of Sideshow saying, "That does seem kinda bonkers". 20:45.
@felixr.41772 жыл бұрын
2 minutes in I can already tell this episode is gonna be a certified hood classic
@Ganun72 жыл бұрын
DAMN SON, WHERE'd YA FIND THIS?
@nofuneral67542 жыл бұрын
5v5 might kill the pvp for me, but here's hoping the pve is as amazing as it sounds like it's going to be.
@RakusTalent2 жыл бұрын
kills it for you bring me back to it so hey
@thanishdavipaul28762 жыл бұрын
dps players will coom for a month then realize it was playing around tanks and sups what made ow special and quit to valorant
@fossforever5122 жыл бұрын
Honestly I really enjoy team deathmatch 4v4 when you have a tank, a support and 2 dps, I think 5v5 will still be very fun
@thanishdavipaul28762 жыл бұрын
@@fossforever512 me too in that big room, in normal ow maps its too much dps focused
@nerdherder93402 жыл бұрын
New bastion in pve is going to be interesting
@Lol-zw8ks2 жыл бұрын
Space looks mad handsome, especially without the beard tbh
@mr_ekshun2 жыл бұрын
I love beards, but some faces just look too good to cover up
@Mcmole98762 жыл бұрын
For the bastion change, why not just give him back the headshot critical hits again in turrent form? Its 50% extra damage and rewards the players aim again.
@fossforever5122 жыл бұрын
Headshots in Overwatch are 100% extra damage cause it doubles the damage But yeah I wouldn’t be opposed, I think increasing his speed to 75% and giving him headshots back And increasing his damage per shot in recon mode and he’d be good
@Mcmole98762 жыл бұрын
@@fossforever512 yep my bad, you are correct. I still don't know about the recon mode changes. I would just up the shots per second to 6-6.5 and see how it play test's. I think him staying semi immobile is sorta important though. it's his defining weakness and removing it would almost feel like his a different hero.
@stefayylmao2 жыл бұрын
got time to go on an episode of plat chat but no time to respond to my DM Sadge
@connordurham68272 жыл бұрын
As an avid destiny 2 player, making it free to play made the experience much better, except for giving cheaters a chance to just create new accounts .
@Joseph-ic8xd2 жыл бұрын
Overwatch is already toxic as fuck, adding double the cheaters will not make this a good game, especially since it seems cracked in the dps department.
@fossforever5122 жыл бұрын
@@Joseph-ic8xd they should just make it free to play, but make comp cost like 2-5 dollars a season, (which also give you access to the comp battle pass) and also require comp accounts to register with a phone number etc Then hackers are only an issue in arcade and qp, but it won’t hurt the competitive integrity
@Aurora-xg1lj2 жыл бұрын
@@fossforever512 if hackers are willing to pay hundreds of dollars then they can pay for 2-5 for a season.
@fossforever5122 жыл бұрын
@@Aurora-xg1lj sure, but the sim thing will Make it way harder for people to hack consistently
@danielestrada55112 жыл бұрын
@@Aurora-xg1lj the point is adding tons of extra steps to discourage people from creating a new smurf so easily after getting their main banned
@shiverian59702 жыл бұрын
I think no matter your view of ow2 at the moment, you gotta agree that it's a little absurd we're still at the alpha stage 3 years after reveal. At this point for a AAA studio you'd be expecting release coming up. But nope.
@TheNerd2 жыл бұрын
no. what blizzard showed at Blizzcon was a vertical slice that got forced by the public because of "aprils fool joke". without that they would not have revealed the game. It's completely normal in the games industry that you need 3-5 years to develop a game from the point where the vertical slice is completed. the problem is that casuals have no idea how game development works and how much work it is to complete a game and on top of that all the big content creators on the ow scene shit on blizzard (because they get clicks for it) instead of explaining that it literally takes hundreds of people for years to make a video game.
@shiverian59702 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerd ? They revealed the game because they wanted to. Nobody forced them to. Plus, I know it takes 3-5 years to make a game. Which is why you don't announce the game when you start making it.
@shiverian59702 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerd Also, this is one of the largest video game developers of all time. Saying it takes hundreds of people is moot when it's literally a multi billion dollar company. I don't think it's too much to ask for them to take less than 3 years after reveal to release a similar game to the first.
@ianw56632 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerd 3-5 years if built from the ground up. OW2 is at least 50% OW1 assets.
@mitchkat1232 жыл бұрын
One thing that I think is important to keep in mind for OW2 PVP is that while it may be very deathmatchy at first, that doesn't mean it will stay that way forever. Early OW was super deathmatchy because no one knew what to do and it was more about trying to pop off than coordinate a lot of smart plays. I think we'll see the same thing in OW2. With time, people will figure out strategies, team comps, etc. and hopefully the devs will lean into that as well.
@actionmarco85562 жыл бұрын
Good point
@DarthCookieOW2 жыл бұрын
Taking away one Tank per team heavily reduces the amount of strategic options though. 5V5 is gonna be a DPS fiesta while Tanks and Supports are decoration. I don't like being a decoration. The devs should have kept 6V6, add way more Supports and Tanks and simply Limit the game to 1 shield Tank, so double shield isn't a thing.
@Dr.Kiwi9342 жыл бұрын
54:32 Yeah, this is me exactly. I was tired of playing a stale game with no promise or massive improvement and frankly, a shaky future. I switched to apex cause it was free to play, a pretty good FPS, and they get new weapons and balance patches and legends every 90 days. It was such a drag to wait forever when, like super said, "all the other games are getting new content all the time."
@Zarzar222 жыл бұрын
In this environment we didnt even need 5v5 and hero reworks. Simply having frequent new events with constant skin updates and something like a battle pass to give us little goals to work for would blast Overwatch back onto the top tier category. It's all about staying with the times and making sure you compete with the content supplied by other games
@TheNerd2 жыл бұрын
ah... no... people stopped playing overwatch because it's a MOBA and not a shooter. that's the reason why they are making a new game. ow declined because its overwatch and not because of the lack of content. the game declined despite the fact that they put a lot of new content in for years.it went from 50 million ppl to under 10 million despite the fact that 12 new heroes and tons of new maps and game modes got implemented. people simply have no interest in playing a game like overwatch. they want to play cod. they want to point and shoot and not think about something else. its as simple as that and that's the main reason the game gets a big overhaul.
@yveltalsea2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNerd ah yes, because MOBA games like League are on a /massive/ decline, right? And CoD is sOOO popular rn :)
@yveltalsea2 жыл бұрын
@@willg1088 yep that's what i'm saying- i don't know why people don't just follow what's working right now, which is that. and it's better for the consumer too in every way. Free game and people(me) will still buy skins anyways.
@yveltalsea2 жыл бұрын
@@willg1088 like they straight up let their own game die by having dogshit metas for actually months and months without change/nerfs at all. i don't get how they don't see that they did this to themselves.
@lilblucommi47792 жыл бұрын
@@yveltalsea Act/Bliz has had the most backward approach to exploiting people for money. Instead of forcing cosmetics and FTP they're clinging on to an almost fucking 20 year old business practice.
@blitz84252 жыл бұрын
TRUUUUUU. Super is totally right. Overwatch is not dying because of the gameplay, its because no one wants to play a game that gets no updates, and it's 40$
@kuribohbrother2 жыл бұрын
New Bastion looks like SO much fun for pve and death match but he does seem very underwhelming for 5v5. It almost like they reworked him around current overwatch instead of overwatch 2 His new kit is great and helps overcome his lack of mobility. He can snipe, lob bombs across the map without without having to look at the enemy team, get an aerial view to call down HUGE burst damage in 3 different areas, and this can all be all be done just from the spawn room. Then when the team wants to push together he can consistently roll around with them while spraying damage (albeit not as threatening as before.) instead of having to reposition and hard commit to a spot because before every moment you aren’t shooting or killing in a team fight you were most likely being the one being killed. Now in overwatch 2 everyone’s moving around really fast and throwing out crazy damage at this planet sized character who will have no time to react and just end up popping like a balloon. I genuinely think Tank Configuration would be better as his ult in this game, one less tank to absorb tank shots and everyone else just deletes on sight as Bastion charges in
@dasf892 жыл бұрын
I know they talk about the esports and pro part of the game mostly. But when thinking about balance and potential, you have to acknowledge that OW is a super popular game with literally MILLIONS of casual players that for the most part just want to shoot stuff with interesting cooldowns.
@alexreilly4902 жыл бұрын
I mean they have been balancing the game around pro play for years and the amount of money blizzard has invested in owl shows the wanted it to be a top tier eSports. 5v5 will prob kill their pro scene but I can def see it increasing casual
@randomman92312 жыл бұрын
They literally discuss that in this episode
@danielestrada55112 жыл бұрын
Tell me you didn't watch the full episode without telling me you didn't watch the full episode. Episodes are hella long tho so don't blame you, but they do talk about it lol
@dasf892 жыл бұрын
@@danielestrada5511 yeah yeah, you're right. I got a bit annoyed at reinforce early on. But sideshow and space made good points later on.
@aeodyn69022 жыл бұрын
If a game isn't balanced towards the top of players, then as someone playing the game gets better as it, they have *less and less fun*. Meaning, you kill all motivation for people to actually stick with and get good at the game. You HAVE to balance for the top, just to give people something to look towards. Not to say you ignore the rest either though.
@wabbit20992 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but you really can’t have both. You either balance for the top skill tier or you balance for the lower mid tier. So you have to remove your line of “Not to say you should ignore the rest either though.” You can make the argument for balancing for high tier. If that is what you believe then go ahead. But you can’t backtrack on the last sentence because it ruins your entire point. There is no balancing for both. A high skill player with a coordinated team is just a totally different game than a bunch of uncoordinated gold pepegas missing every other shot.
@AIRFGC2 жыл бұрын
Dang, never thought of it that way, the easier a game is, the less fun it becomes the more you play it, that's going in my notes
@DarthCookieOW2 жыл бұрын
The more I hear about OW2 and 5V5, the more I feel like it's the last nail in the coffin. A death sentece. It sounds like actual teamplay - the single aspect what made OW really unique - is gonna be useless and you just gotta TDM. There are better TDM games out there.
@brown96712 жыл бұрын
or people are only going to play the story mode. itll be like destiny were no one cares that much about crucible and majority of players only play for the story mode
@kinderx16_382 жыл бұрын
@@brown9671 I don’t think the pve will be anywhere near the size of destiny. I always saw it as something that you can eventually complete and then you wouldn’t really go back to play unless you felt like doing a mission or 2. I don’t think there will be loot drops with stats and stuff to grind for. It would be really cool if it became something like destiny with raids and an overwatch version of strikes but it dosent seem like that’s what they’re going for. I could be wrong tho considering they’ve barely shown any pve stuff.
@Forlong212 жыл бұрын
Zara fix... keep each bubble on its own cool down and add a third one on its own that is tied to both and can be used as a second charge on its own cooldown. So if you need to double bubble others you loose that second self bubble but you still have your own single. Gives you flexibility but also the ability to get more self defense or more team defense Also better with the beard
@GalbaKor2 жыл бұрын
The thing super said at 54:00 is exactly why I stopped playing Overwatch. It feels like the devs gave up on making content for the game, which in turn made me give up on it. Why should I continue playing a game that gets no content updates or incentives to play when there are so many other games available that are actively being updated? At this point I'm just waiting for Overwatch 2.
@blaynegreiner93652 жыл бұрын
People have been saying that for many months. Neither of you are saying anything new lol
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
idk man I enjoy chess, the core rules have not changed in centuries. OW right now is in one of the better balance states in it's history.
@danielscully4492 жыл бұрын
It really sounds like they took Bastion who needed buffs, and gave him buffs but still nerfed him to keep overall power the same which is was already week
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty pepega way to say they reworked him.
@danielestrada55112 жыл бұрын
They are making him not reliant on cheesy strats tho, and that's overall good for the character
@HunterIsBalding2 жыл бұрын
1:16:02 watch the rein and then supers face it took me awhile to stop laughing
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
Super thinking: "Damn that must've been Gator on Rein"
@yungchefmingus2 жыл бұрын
i was gonna comment this XD
@AIRFGC2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this, gotta put this show in my regular rotation, I always love Sideshow on commentary Love when Space talked about certain players who are just good at OW and not certain heroes/roles being able to transition easily to OW2, other people in other games mention this a lot, Halo players can play Halo 1-5 because they understand Halo, Tekken players can play any Tekken and any character in the game, it's a great concept
@connorcink39722 жыл бұрын
Best episode so far, LOVE the OW2 balance convos
@EnergizeMP2 жыл бұрын
r u budget avast?
@connorcink39722 жыл бұрын
@@EnergizeMP yes that’ll be $2
@dezrettel4072 жыл бұрын
What if the new bastion turret was like d.va and orisa, where he's slow when he shoots but moves at normal speed when not shooting?
@g0oberdm4172 жыл бұрын
The banter in the beginning is amazing, nice
@chongor9252 жыл бұрын
I seriously enjoyed this show. Thank you! Whole thing was great.
@az94982 жыл бұрын
There you go. 2 Pro tank mains saying it doesn't feel good to play Tank without your other tank to synergize with. And myself as a tank player agrees so strongly that I am going to not play OW2 if it's 5v5 without the Main/off Tank synergies which for tank mains that like to play with other tank mains and build a synergy now it's gone. They should have just buffed the tanks slightly to make them slightly more overpowered against damage/support heros to make tanks a little funner to play and kept it a 6v6. If change the line up at all why not make it a 7v7 (2 Slightly OP Tanks, 3 Damage, 2 supports) although I'm not sure it would work with a lot of the maps being planned as a 6v6 myself personally would still be very interested to try it with an extra damage slot on each team sense damage is the most popular role people Q as it would help Q times very much. Maybe break the Tank lineup into a "Main Tank" Role & an "Off Tank Role" with some tweaking on some heros to help them fill either role to a decent standard.
@pastaking36392 жыл бұрын
You forget they are emotionally invested in tank duos with there teammates also they never said they disliked no synerge they said they, liked synergize stop twisting words
@caramelito24212 жыл бұрын
The problem is not that tanks need a buff, the problem is double shields.
@wabbit20992 жыл бұрын
I think the problem with tanks is that only a very small part of the player base wants to play them. That is why queue times for tank are so short but DPS times are so long. I think this whole dropping one tank and making the game more DPS focused is because of things like that.
@holdengoodall82132 жыл бұрын
Whatever happens with OW2, I am excited to see Chengdu back with triple DPS in some form.
@BungoPls2 жыл бұрын
Haven’t played Overwatch in years, but inject this high-level big picture analysis into my views
@kamhash12 жыл бұрын
I really loved this episode, I hope the devs are taking notes
@dwarfilicious15262 жыл бұрын
Biggest problem of both OW2 and OW itself seems to just be highly overtuned numbers of damage and healing (though healing not so much in OW2). It shouldn't be possible to pocket someone through extreme amounts of damage, but it also shouldn't be that you blow up as a tank in less than a second because you're not getting pocketed. 5v5 or 6v6 doesn't matter that much imo, numbers just need to be significantly tuned down.
@Paradox1P2 жыл бұрын
Good insight, I watched till the end. I'm glad we all realised sombra is busted having not even played ow2. Hopefully they balance her before release. OW2 hype is dying, i love OW but they need to reveal heroes and get this game launched maybe in May.
@MICROKNIGHT30002 жыл бұрын
Yeah wtf 40% hp delete thats so easily executed + instant aoe and sombra has the perfect get out of jail card..
@MICROKNIGHT30002 жыл бұрын
I dont get it, whats the weakness? Dps like reaper genji pharah needs to get close and plan their ultimate sombra just sneak and pop ultimate and 40% hp shred to whatever hp the enemy has and that gets value so easily
@Paradox1P2 жыл бұрын
Yes she has little weakness. I think she is better than tracer for how quickly she hacks and damage she can do
@lilblucommi47792 жыл бұрын
For real, why the fuck did they tease the game 3 years before release. We've wanted a sequel for so long, and we thought we'd have had it by now. It's now April '22 and there's already rumours we're waiting at LEAST another 9 months.
@zerocares26552 жыл бұрын
I feel like Zarqa could use another type of CD that’s not a bubble. That way you could still have 2 team bubbles with a long timer and then like a long range charte shot for her second CD
@NickIsBlasted2 жыл бұрын
Super is right that Bastion grenade is so good, and makes sense for him
@scabby.knees992 жыл бұрын
Daaaamn, Space is looking handsome
@Xzilerating2 жыл бұрын
So maybe they answer this cause I'm 40 min in but they're making these new maps pretty open to allow for more flanks and they'll start to tune characters to match that and to match having 1 tank. However, how does this hold for the current maps where they've practically been built for two tanks in mind or built in having 1 or two choke points?
@vividao41232 жыл бұрын
Map reworks probably
@davidgreenberg84562 жыл бұрын
The problem with tank is if you can't play all of them well. If you are the only tank and can't swap to the one needed...big problem
@diegofernandez79892 жыл бұрын
Great episode, hope you get to talk to more pro players during the off-season!
@FOF2752 жыл бұрын
Hog being able to hook more is a really bad idea
@rodianrebel33762 жыл бұрын
Space is looking handsome, season 1 valiant space
@coolbrotherf1272 жыл бұрын
One thing that they didn't really mention in the video is what teams are going to do with all their offtank players? Do players like Space just get dropped because there are only main tanks now or do they keep them conditionally for hero pool reasons and meta changes?
@nofuneral67542 жыл бұрын
I think the lower ranks (other than maybe competitive) can be appeased by giving us a 6v6 arcade mode. It won't be what they're balancing, but some people will probably still prefer it. They did this with Quickplay Classic in arcade and it's popular enough that it's always available.
@mohithkumar30242 жыл бұрын
When space and Super both agreed that the game needs more content, it made me smile so much. IDK why Activision blizzard doesn't realize this. Or maybe they do, but don't want to take the risk on that business model.
@NaruBrilu2 жыл бұрын
Idk if the risk is kn their minds at all. I feel like its more blizzard has never been that type of game dev before. Overwatch dropped like maybe a yr or so before fortnite and then when fortnite came Epic revolutionized the way games drop content now. Shit ton of cosmetics daily, battle pass, new content like every 2 weeks or so. Hell even CoD has taken some pages out of their book and added battlepasses and a million cosmetic stuff. Blizzard just isnt used to this and havent adapted that stuff to their own way they make games. Plus they said themselves the reason for no new content in the last like 2-3 years or whatever is directly because of overwatch 2. They have all their efforts focused onto that game and they dont have nearly as many resources going into overwatch
@mohithkumar30242 жыл бұрын
@@NaruBrilu Yeah I just hope they convert it to that business model because I think it allows for a higher quality game. But at this rate I honestly don't even think they'll go free to play with pvp.
@NaruBrilu2 жыл бұрын
@@mohithkumar3024 i think they can and im pretty sure they'll put more content into the game too once the game actually drops. Bcuz then that'll be the current game and they wont be working on a completely different game for years. They can focus all their effort into ow2 content. Altho i dont necessarily agree that that business model produces higher quality games i do agree that putting some sort of rewards for finishing top 10-100 or more cool exclusive skins for reaching X rank would be cool to have in the game. I for one am looking the most for in pvp would be some sort of in game tournaments, that would very cool. Also they've had like what like almost 6 years of ow1 being out and seeing what does and doesn't work in fortnite and in other games. Im sure hopefully they've learned quite a bit and we'll have some good content rollout in ow2
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
Obviously the content is being hoarded for a OW2 release.
@greyaye85652 жыл бұрын
It's so painful to hear "less" being used wrong so much. "fewer" is the way to go when it's a countable noun, and "less" with uncountable: Fewer tanks. Less healing.
@CallMe_Kiri2 жыл бұрын
It’s upsetting that the more I hear about overwatch two the less excited about it as a tank player it’s upsetting that less and less of the game revolves around team play however the characters get rework I would still work with the game but I feel like without 6v6 the game will feel empty especially without a second tank and the fun that comes with synergy
@lilblucommi47792 жыл бұрын
I play tank because I enjoy team play not because I want to fucking DPS. It's like they want to bring DPS players over to the tank role to fill abysmal numbers of consistent tank players, but then they're slashing the role in half and making DPS even more inciteful to play. It's honestly fucking heart-breaking.
@Meri-Muru2 жыл бұрын
I find it so cute, how you guys have everyone a coffee cup even tho it's online 😇
@OGC932 жыл бұрын
I was thinking brigs bash ability should cripple someone making them unable to use any movement ability such as tracer blink, mccree's roll, baps jump, d.v.a. boosters anything that can be used for the character to escape. It would leave the bash with at least some use offensively and it does not leave a character completely vulnerable to dmg only to more danger from the brig and the team. It would make you respect brig a bit more. Sombra being considered broken to me is no surprise all I thought of was Skye from paladins when you don't buy illuminate she feels impossible to beat since you can never see her coming. The emp doing dmg could fine once we see what other characters are able to do. We've yet to see what the new cast can do so maybe they're gonna try to use characters like Sombra as an example of what other characters in the game should be. I like reworks like this, because it changes a character but they feel the same to play kinda like playing smash 4 Mario and then playing smash ultimate Mario, the new ones are better but feel the same as the last one to an extent. They probably showed all this to collect data and feedback on it since it's their first time reworking something to this extent. Reworks don't make everyone happy, because everyone has their own way to play a character. There may be some new forms of crowd control that could we could come up with and try out in experimental and such. The focus has always seemed to be damaged and healing when there may.
@thomasthedankengine62302 жыл бұрын
Thats basically the same as sombras hack
@gloss00002 жыл бұрын
Space laughing at Reinforce saying "Theyre off the goop" is so funny to me
@anthonyreis35332 жыл бұрын
Space is looking pretty good without the beard. Think he should keep it that way.
@Dasding6192 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest problem with OW isn't the heros or the People playing. It's the typical Blizzard system that forces 50:50 and sometime completely ruined you day. When you in that Elo hole once you can't get out and need to create a new account. If they can fix that it's a good game again
@ccruzp062 жыл бұрын
The fact that Space and Super doubted so much when asked about the enjoyability of the game for non-mechanically-gifted players, is a very bad sign... I really hope the devs are able to change that before it's too late
@lilblucommi47792 жыл бұрын
It's heartbreaking, we know they wont.
@bobxbaker2 жыл бұрын
i just hope there isn't gonna be more restrictions on what i should and shouldn't play and that there will be more fun stuff for tanks and supports to use in general, like winstons snipe shot.
@davidmullins68592 жыл бұрын
moving to only one sentient player per team is a negative change, no question
@doctorosullivan2 жыл бұрын
"Sideshow is the top 1% in something, just not sure what that is" hahaha best burn of platchat history
@noahzeumann47812 жыл бұрын
lets be honest, the only ones that are mad about 5v5 are tank mains. looking at our queue times that can't be too many. looking forward to ow2
@brown96712 жыл бұрын
im not a main tank player and im mad about 5v5, it ruins OVERWATCH i dont give a fuck about overwatch2, i havent been playing OVERWATCH1 5 years, for overwatch2, if you get what im saying. i never cared about about a sequel, about lore, about skins or events, ive only been playing for GAMEPLAY, and they are changing primary GAMEPLAY.
@Fabulocco2 жыл бұрын
This episode was pure fire
@lilblucommi47792 жыл бұрын
My first time ever watching plat chat and it was just pure sigma energy, such a genuinely engaging conversation.
@vforvinico2 жыл бұрын
SPACE IS HANDSOME GO GLADS
@DerUberGaijan2 жыл бұрын
Why are half the comments here people simping on Space? Kinda weird, bro, for real. Shows how much interest is left for OW and OW2 that the most interesting thing from an 1:38:00 video on OW2 is "Space looks good today :)". lol
@hirammaxim64002 жыл бұрын
Its just that the people that write comments are not the ones actually listening to what is said
@lovetownsend2 жыл бұрын
Do you think Jeff leaving had to do with creative difference over the direction of OW?
@kiefdemon19792 жыл бұрын
Space is looking handsome without the beard.
@michaelg17782 жыл бұрын
At least the possible issues with heroes like Sombra is any balance changes that need to be made are just tweaking some values and won't need to be massive overhaul. After release, the game will be chaotic but if all they need to do is adjust a single value for a cooldown or damage it'll make balancing a lot faster. I wonder if Blizzard will have the latest build of 6v6 Overwatch after OW2 is released, and in case of emergency they can implement that 6v6 build if 5v5 doesn't work out well. Just revert it back to what it was but it'll have all the new heroes and maps and they'd just have to balance the new heroes for 6v6. Probably easily doable.
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
They already said something like that but hinted that the possibility of it is really remote. Sounds like they're very committed to making 5v5 work.
@Bropane122 жыл бұрын
Gonna need to start grinding headshots only on Lucio to build beat 😂😂
@stevensmoltz43832 жыл бұрын
I like the left click/right click, i would like the right click to just launch all 3 quickly in a single location
@derkader89902 жыл бұрын
I hope tanks really will just feel like fat dps. I figure D.Va is the model that they want to follow where you have lots of dps potential but can still help teammates get kills.
@lilblucommi47792 жыл бұрын
Are you saying that as a tank main? As a tank main myself I dont want it to just feel like DPS, I like the responsibility and unique approach that tanks give. In OW tanks just play so differently to their roles and for good reason: spatial awareness, etc.
@CrazyKitKat2 жыл бұрын
Space is looking mighty fine.
@Teddy-kv5ns2 жыл бұрын
1:30:48 super doing some self reflection
@cooperkelley2922 жыл бұрын
indy "at our level" halpern over here
@SANinja722 жыл бұрын
SPACE is looking handsome!
@Teddy-kv5ns2 жыл бұрын
how long is one akm blade now that they changed the ult charge
@architecterror2 жыл бұрын
I remember the Destiny 2 Beta had a craaaaazy long super charge.
@SHYST2 жыл бұрын
Give bastion a Helicopter transformation that gives him flight on cooldown like Echo.
@_aullik2 жыл бұрын
The f2p monetizing the whales model is the best businesses model right now. The tradeoff for the game is that you have a bigger player base but trade shitty money grabbing for it. On the other hand, we are basically abusing those with gambling addictions and those who don't know how to handle their money. From a humanitarian pov f2p is a pretty bad concept.
@MICROKNIGHT30002 жыл бұрын
Imo tanks should be a bit faster. The crawl speed just feels terrible its like alittle bit slower than bearable tier. That said the unlimited ammo is cool love it but just a tad bit too sluggish that you might as well be static
@generalowen43442 жыл бұрын
they didn't only change my boi Bastion, they even managed to make him even worse than before.
@dallasmoffis2 жыл бұрын
56:16 is a good example of Jonathan Larson having this huge desire to hijack conversations without having anything specific to discuss. It’s like a 45 second word salad that ends with him asking his listeners to help him figure out what his question should be.
@anamoose4612 жыл бұрын
Ngl only one tank is either going to make tank queues longer or literally nobody will want to play tank anymore
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
You'd have to believe it would more than halve the ratio. Seems pretty unlikely especially now that Tank is the unique role. There will probably be a perception of Tanks as the carry/diff role. I think a lot of players will envy that.
@tygertyger48552 жыл бұрын
Do you think they may try to balance the game more with the new characters by designing them as counters ?
@timmoore65322 жыл бұрын
Take a drink every time Super says like.
@hensley_fels2 жыл бұрын
they could relatively easily implement something like COD weapon skins. 3K comp points for gold, another 3K on top for plat, another 3K for diamond etc etc. let’s players show more commitment to their heroes like : wow this hanzo thinks he’s cool w his gold bow *swaps hanzo* headshots w diamond bow
@fulnaz31642 жыл бұрын
I said the same thing, and people actually responded with "the reward in rank is getting better at the game" Well, switching game is better for my mental too I guess
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
Jeff a long ass time ago said he really thought the golden guns were a mistake to begin with because it encourages players who aren't competitive to farm ranked for a cosmetic, which harms the ladder.
@tsogud2 жыл бұрын
Sombra already has a 2 sec cool down if Dva farts on her from across the map. If they're going to increase that cool down they should at least raise the dmg threshold from 0.1 to like 20
@mberry11992 жыл бұрын
Space looking hella handsome today
@clair0x2 жыл бұрын
space is looking handsome rn
@addictedow95512 жыл бұрын
Space looking clean
@Darichun2 жыл бұрын
Did we actually need 5v5 is such a stupid question. It's not a balance decision, it's not a design philosophy. It's what they HAVE TO DO TO NOT HAVE 20 MIN QUE. No game in 2022 can survive with having 20 min que for the most popular role. They were forced to 5v5 and were forced to make it work which is why it feels weird and fucked up. They didn't have a grand idea in mind of 5v5 and went for it. THEY WERE FORCED.
@ArkbladeIX2 жыл бұрын
Space is looking handsome and he looks good with or without a beard
@ariel_8012 жыл бұрын
Might be wrong but Space is looking extra handsome today
@quanked2 жыл бұрын
For the record - Jcese got a beat.
@hirammaxim64002 жыл бұрын
Guess the redditlucios were right all along
@n3o9412 жыл бұрын
What if they make some dps and healers have some synergy with the tank
@mordred51742 жыл бұрын
not another release brig please
@mordred51742 жыл бұрын
@@endiii27 that was the devs trying to make a support with "tank synergy"...
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
Bro that already exists wym lol. You don't think Lucio/Rein or Winston/Ana synergize?
@superplusextra96342 жыл бұрын
@@libertyprime9307 yes in OW1 but in OW2 theirs no incentive really to run any of the previous synergy comp. Slow ult charge and everyone taking fights at different spots. Not to mention as space/super said tanks swapping will definitely be a thing in OW2 thus changing the comp and restarting ult charge.
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
@@superplusextra9634 What does any of that have to do with tank/support synergies?