The Early 2000s Eastern Conference Was WEAK

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[@trevon444]

When LOW says trash he doesn’t mean compared to average regular guys. He’s comparing the east to the eastern conference in the 80s,90s and late 2010s

[@fffhfhhhh]

Exactly ppl dont understand that

[@Coldskin1]

🤡s dont know how disrespectful that sounds 3:26 low literally saying that with no context you cant just the your opinnon after point him out. Yall dont know how argument work, he lost calling it an trash conference

[@valo1125]

@@Coldskin1 it was a trash conference 🤷🏻‍♂️ get over it

[@MineShackle]

late 2010s it was trash too lol

[@KingBreeze07]

@@valo1125 No, from 2010-2018 the Eastern Conference was the weakest in NBA History. Infact LeBronze James going to 8 straight finals proves this the only All NBA 1st team member he faced in the playoffs was Derrick Rose 2011, Infact Curry faced more All NBA 1st team members last season on his way to a title in 1 Playoff run than LeBronze did in 8 Seasons. Again the weakest eastern conference in NBA History was the 2010s an it's not close.

[@PNL1992]

Look up the East vs West record in 2000-2001 season The 7 seed in the West had a better record than the 3 seed in the East. Here are the records vs the West for each playoff team Sixer- 16-12 Bucks-14-14 Heat- 16-12 Knicks- 16-12 Raptors- 11-17 Hornets- 9-19 Magic- 13-15 Pacers- 12-16 This is against the entire Western Conference, once you only consider playoff teams NO TEAM in the East has a winning record against the West. The Rockets missed the playoffs despite having a better record than several EC teams. Their record against the East was 25-5. More than half of their wins came against a conference they play less.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Exactly. After Jordan and the bulls dynasty ended, Shaq went to the West and other stars got older, the east became the Leastern Conference

[@austinburwell5834]

@@Thanosdidtherighthingyeah once Chicago dropped the east went to shit. It had some years where they probably had 2 or 3 championship level teams. 08 Celtics is probably beating anybody in the west. 2011 Miami, Chicago, and Boston is giving a good run for people’s money. It kinda went back down after 2012, maybe around 2019 or so when it picked by up. Now the east maybe the better conference. Nets bucks and Boston look amazing

[@PNL1992]

@@officialconch they literally weren’t… not a single one of them had a winning record against any of the WC playoff team…

[@PNL1992]

@@officialconch "This is against the entire Western Conference, once you only consider playoff teams NO TEAM in the East has a winning record against the West." Please read. Thanks.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@officialconch The East got weak AFTER the bulls dynasty. Did you read what I said ? Lol

[@Robcbiz]

Lo’s point about the MVPS AND ALL NBA Teams was a great point

[@raekwonjohnson2760]

@@kingdavid7573 🧢 😂

[@MrSlashblade]

No because it’s an individual, one of the all nba from that same 03 year was Marbury who was on a 44 win suns team Kobe made an all nba team in 05 despite have a western team miss the playoffs An individual isn’t a reflection of a team nor a conference

[@KingBreeze07]

@@raekwonjohnson2760 Relax fanboy

[@raekwonjohnson2760]

@@KingBreeze07 who said I ain’t 😂

[@Robcbiz]

@@MrSlashblade the point is the all nba teams were laden with western conference players

[@Robcbiz]

The Nets went to nba finals twice in the 2000’s with Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson as the best players. Shit was not a good conference.

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

Kenyon Martin was the Robin on that Nets team not RJ

[@Robcbiz]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington Fine. That makes it that much worse. K Mart was strictly a lob threat and a garbage role kind of guy. That nets team was so ass

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

@@RobcbizNets team wasn’t ass. They took the Spurs to 6 games. Had Kenyon Martin showed up in Game 6 it would’ve went 7. He just had arguably the worse night of his career. But you don’t take the Spurs 6 games in the finals and be called ass. Plus look at who they beat to get there (The Pistons)

[@sebastiancarrasco1636]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington That 2003 Spurs team was one of the worst teams to win a ring NBA history and were only successful because Tim Duncan had arguably the greatest season/playoff run ever.

[@Robcbiz]

@@darnellwilliams8783 that team was terrible. Jason kidd was just phenomenal

[@blacknetsmed]

Vividly remember the Early 2000s Leastern Conference aka the JV League. Simple Rating System or SRS which measure teams Margin of Victory over their Strength of Schedule tells a clear picture. In 2000, All Top 8 teams in SRS were from the Western Conference. In 2001 only 1 team from the East was Top 10 in SRS and that was the Sixers ranked 7th in SRS. 2002 more of the same, Eastern Conference Finals was a joke outside of Kerry Kittles who's True Shooting Percentage was 51% every single other Top 3 leading scorer on the Celtics or Nets had a True Shooting Percentage was below 50%

[@savcitynineties4845]

You right but I will say that looking at TS% for guards in the early 00s will mislead you. Most of the best guards shot bad TS% cause it was heavy heavy midrange

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The 2000s Western Conference was a joke. It was Lakers, Spurs, and a bunch of pretenders

[@omerali580]

In 2000-2003. There were no contenders in the east at all. That's not an opinion that's a fact. Every contender was in the West. The west had about 4 teams that would cake-walk through the East if they played in the East. Lakers, Spurs, Kings and Mavs.

[@gradyjackson8517]

So the new York Knicks were bad in 01 Milwaukee Miami Heat Toronto new Jersey nets there were some decent teams in the east LOW IS EXAGGERATING

[@andylin357]

@@gradyjackson8517 hes not exaggerating, they arent beating any of the top 4 teams in the west. lakers suns mavs kings etc. all are smoking all those bumass teams

[@elevatorelliot714]

Thank you! I cut it off at 03. 04 had actual great teams like the Pistons and Pacers, and 05 had the Heat and the Pistons. So I’d agree with LOW but cut it off at 03.

[@michaeljohnson7945]

@@gradyjackson8517 The post-Chicago 1999 to early 2000 East teams lacked depth and size on the interior. Nearly every elite big man was in the West at that point (Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber, Dirk Nowitzki, Karl Malone, Rasheed Wallace, etc.) and the Western teams would bully the East teams. The reason why those teams in the East struggled to score was because they had one of two scorers and the rest of the team were role players, in addition to the lack of size.

[@razkable]

Blazers too

[@xxJay20sxx]

so the 2000s eastern conference wasn’t called the leastern conference ? 💀💀 yall boys know the east was weak

[@TREYxBALL]

I knew he was on b.s when he mentioned Milwaukee Bucks & Michael Redd. I'm from Milwaukee and we didn't even believe in that team.

[@MrEOM41]

The problem with alot of those eastern conf teams was they weren’t deep or didn’t have a good co star only the Pacers, Knicks and eventually Pistons really were deep and could compete the west squads. It was nick named the Leastern conference for a reason 😅

[@legendarywiimaster]

LeBron and the Cavs, AI and the 76ers, Dwight and the Magic (although they surrounded him with nothing but shooters). That was the east. A superstar surrounded by nothing but scrubs

[@ModernFiction]

2000s west is the greatest conference of all time w the most parity and Kobe got through that 7x 💯

[@JahHoopz]

Amen

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The 2000s West had no parity. It was the Lakers/Spurs Invitational.

[@johndarko9267]

Marz got the same hoodie on every vid I swear 😂😂

[@MariWrst]

2000s was lowk weak in general outside of the main stars, there were only 3 teams that obv had a chance to win, and everyone else was pretty much carried by one star and role players. (I.E Bron, Kobe, Ai, KG)

[@MrEOM41]

Yeah post Jordan era every team wanted that iso/athletic shooting guard

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

A depressing era of basketball. Spurs and Lakers over and over and over It was no better than the Cavs/Warriors reign of terror

[@bobbysmoove4796]

Out of the 15 All-nba players in 2000-01 only 5 of them were from the East…Im with LOW

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

How many of those West players ever won anything outside of the Lakers/Spurs?

[@Kindakool36]

2:12 as soon as he got corrected by low, his argument should’ve been stopped💀 but because he yells and talks over people, they just let him keep going😭

[@yokun1885]

Ticket is emotional

[@bobbysmoove4796]

LOW won the argument from the beginning but when old dude started talking about the different play styles from different conferences to justify the east not being trash he officially lost the argument😭😭

[@michaeljohnson7945]

The play styles had nothing to do with the 2000s East being bad. From the 1999 lockout season to the 2009-10 season, the West won nine titles in 12 years and had a player win the league MVP trophy nine out of 12 years. Not to mention the West won more seasonal interconference games than the East 19 out of the first 20 years this millennium.

[@Kosher93]

Fluent is right. Also the stars were spread out until the mid 2000s. Shaq moved to the East. Vince went to the Nets. Sheed went to the Pistons. There was no comparable duo to Kobe and Shaq at that time.

[@michaeljohnson7945]

The seismic shift in to the Western Conference was was evident by the time Michael Jordan retired and nearly all the elite big men were in the Western Conference. Not only was Shaquille O'Neal with the Los Angeles Lakers, but the West had nearly every elite power forward in the NBA -- Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber, Dirk Nowitzki, Karl Malone, Rasheed Wallace, Elton Brand, Antonio McDyess and Pau Gasol all were in the West. Jermaine O'Neal was about the only quality big man in the Eastern Conference at that time. Since Jordan's retirement, the West has won 17 out of 25 NBA Finals. San Antonio and the Los Angeles Lakers won nine titles between them in a 12-year span (1999 lockout to the 2009-10 seasons). Nine of the 12 league MVPs went to players from the Western Conference. Now the West has another run where it's won 10 of the past 15 NBA Finals. Of the East's five championships, three of the East's championship teams had LeBron James (2012-13 Miami, 2016 Cleveland). Remove LeBron, and the East went 11 years without a championship team (2008's Boston to 2019's Toronto). On top of that, the Western Conference has had the better interconference record 21 out of 24 years since the 1999-2000 season; the East have the better record only in the 2008-09, 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons.

[@mserikatodoh]

Let's keep it a 100%. The East was shit until like 2018s when players like Giannis, Embiid, Jayson Tatum, etc came to stardom.

[@camctrail]

Ehh part of that was LeBron being so dominant that he made the East look weaker than it was. When no other Eastern Conference star can even make a Finals appearance because of one guy, he's not gonna be seen as that great by NBA fans lol The early 2010s in particular had some great teams in the East

[@zaedagod]

That's a valid point lebron feasted in the east.

[@wymk1091]

@@camctrail I could buy that if they actually played well vs the west. The west has beaten the east in interconference play in 20 of the last 22 years

[@camctrail]

@@wymk1091 never said the East was on par with the West, it's definitely been the weaker conference, but LeBron being the arguable greatest player ever and dominating the conference like he did makes it seem like the East was weaker than it actually was

[@mserikatodoh]

@@camctrail 1. Lebron is not the greatest ever, not even arguably lol. 2. lebron always had at least 2 perennial YOUNG all stars on his team. No other east team had 3 all stars besides the aging celtics? 3. It's not hard to dominate a conference that has no superstars.

[@judahmourneth3211]

Why when ticket talks about iverson, he goes to the team argument rather than talking about iverson’s individual performance.

[@bobbysmoove4796]

Because he knows that AI's efficiency numbers were dogshit🤣

[@judahmourneth3211]

@@bobbysmoove4796 yup, his favorite words “he’s on iverson’s jockstrap”.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

At least the East had variety. The West was basically the LA/San Antonio Invitational.

[@dthamaestro3624]

Not true. Phoenix and Dallas were also routinely powerhouses in the West as well, despite not having as consistent postseason success.

[@draymondgreen6914]

It’s true it did suck, even the nets made the finals twice

[@TellHerNothing]

@@kingdavid7573 Found a way to mention lebron 😂 Theyre talking about the early 2000s

[@babybreezo2473]

@@TellHerNothingthey was talking about lebrons time in the east too. Yk it was trash asf who did he have to get thru to get to the finals ?

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@TellHerNothing Lebron was drafted in the 2000’s lol

[@legendarywiimaster]

@@babybreezo2473 in 2007 the east was trash however in 2018 his competition was 100x times better. Every team he went up against had at least 48 wins, two of them were the top seeds in their conference.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The west only sent 2 teams to the Finals. It wasn't THAT great.

[@lex6794]

The entire 90s nba was weak. The 80s dynasty's died out. There was a power vacuum in the league. Full of expansion teams, no dynasty's but the bulls. One hall of famer teams. Slower and weaker athletes. Training and nutrition stunk. MJ's whole career was about timing. That why he couldn't win in the 80s.

[@Goatfan2k]

The idea that the 90s NBA was weak doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The decade was full of legendary players, multiple Hall of Fame teams, and fierce competition. Teams like the Bulls, Rockets, Jazz, and Spurs had stacked rosters and played at an incredibly high level. The training, athleticism, and overall level of play in the 90s were a significant step up from previous eras. MJ’s success wasn’t just about timing-he dominated the best the league had to offer, and his impact on the game is undeniable don't Lie dummy 💀

[@Goatfan2k]

“The 80s dynasties died out. There was a power vacuum in the league.” • Reality: While it’s true that the dynasties of the Celtics and Lakers from the 1980s didn’t continue at the same dominance in the 90s, the league didn’t suffer from a power vacuum. Instead, new powerhouses emerged: • Chicago Bulls: They won 6 championships in the 90s. • Houston Rockets: They won back-to-back titles in 1994 and 1995. • San Antonio Spurs: They laid the groundwork for their future dynasty with a championship in 1999. That at least 3 times who were too forces I didn't event mentioned the super sonics and Indiana who almost beat Jordan I didn't even mention the Phoenix sun with Barkley so you just lied

[@DeemDaDream91]

Not gonna lie, basing your entire arguments on box score statistical production is the lowest level of analysis. At some point we gotta do better

[@briscoedaking.]

The East only had 2 MVPs in the 2000s Allen Iverson (01) and LeBron James (09) The East in that whole decade until 08 was a bunch of mid

[@michaeljohnson7945]

Not to mention San Antonio and the Los Angeles Lakers won nine titles in a 12-year span, in addition to nine MVPs in 12 years.

[@razkable]

Even 08 east sucked...shaq and kg coming east wade lebron drafted saved it...otherwise it was ai in 01 and then a bunch of meh until 09

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The West outside of the Lakers/Spurs was not that great either.

[@legendarywiimaster]

⁠@@chrisuncleahmad666Nuggets with Melo, Yao Ming on the Rockets, Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer on the Jazz, Dirk and the Mavs… should I keep going? Because the West in 2008 had 8 50 win teams, 50 wins that year was enough for the fourth seed in the west. I mean in 2007 the 6th seeded Nets won 41 games (partially due to injuries by Richard Jefferson). Are you gonna sit here and tell me that the Pistons would’ve made the conference finals six times in a row, twice to the finals, if they were in the west? As great as LeBron was in 2007 I doubt he’s making the finals with that trash Cavs team in the west unless he gets a top seed. The 2007 west semis between the Suns and the Spurs was the championship round, because the Utah Jazz in the conference finals were only there because they got to face the Warriors instead of the Mavs because of Dirk Nowitzki’s choke job, and neither the Pistons nor the Cavs were good enough to beat either the Suns or the Spurs that year.

[@andrewharper9848]

These young punks do & say anything to Lift LeBron James this is a damn shame

[@Jay1Whitten1]

If anything it's the young dudes in this conversation not lifting bron by saying his conference was weak. What video were you watching?

[@DiezelFuel08]

James Harden could have absolutely beat those teams in ‘01. James Harden faced the Spurs, GSW, and Lakers in the bubble. All of those, championship teams, regardless of if he choked. Iverson NEVR faced championship competition through his own confrence

[@dewanewelch1744]

Harden would not have beat those teams. Harden picked on bad defenses n And was foul baiting. The early 2000s east sucked on offense I admit but had the best defenses possibly ever. Plus in the playoffs refs call less fouls. Which is why Harden struggles. Also the were allowed to hand check still and play very physical. Harden would struggle bad in those playoff series.

[@legendarywiimaster]

@@dewanewelch1744the east did have good defenses but part of that was due to the other east teams having bad offenses which inflated their defensive stats

[@razkable]

That bucks team was good doe looking back

[@razkable]

Harden had more help than ai in to 2017 2018 2019 2016 2015 even 2014 and 2020

[@Dissniqqamanii]

Idk where I found this page but they wayy better then first take😂🔥

[@wills8878]

LOW brought out the ginsu blade on this one. No historically memorable teams came from that Era in the east. Dudes averaging 10 pts a game are good players now? Aight. For 3 years at least the West significantly better. They know that the top 6 teams in the west would make the finals if they were in the east

[@aaotrey106]

@@kingdavid7573 yet beat him 16 of 22 times

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

There were no memorable West teams from that era outside of the Lakers/Spurs.

[@vicvsvictor2652]

LOW Won at the end and he was speaking Facts 🔥

[@Coldskin1]

Nope fluent cooked low in the stream

[@yokun1885]

@@Coldskin1 how?

[@neoblade8164]

The 2000s East was super sus outside of maybe the late 2000s

[@legendarywiimaster]

Once that big 3 Celtics came in that’s when the east started to get much better

[@razkable]

​@@legendarywiimasterthe 05 pistons heat nets wizards pacers were pretty good teams at once...

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The West was sus outside of its big two. It was the LA/San Antonio Invitational

[@legendarywiimaster]

@@razkable that was it though. The rest was still incredibly bad

[@migueltirado4079]

LOW won this argument. I'm sorry. There was wayyy to many superstars in the west and great teams.

[@percybedford6266]

Even Peter Vecsey call the Eastern conference the JV conference back then. The East was weak as hell back then.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The West was weaker. It was basically the LA/San Antonio Invitational. Everyone else was playing for 3rd.

[@percybedford6266]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 how was the West weaker when the number of all NBA, MVPs and champions far outnumbered what was in the East.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@percybedford6266 West Championships won outside the Lakers/Spurs: 0

[@percybedford6266]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 it don't matter. They still had more MVPs and all NBA selections and it isn't even close.

[@jackwalsh6758]

No era was trash, they were all professional athletes in their time. We should all show more respect, especially those who can barely get off the couch. Without the old-timers we wouldn't have the sport to watch.

[@nessdagoat]

Well, I am a old timer and I’m telling you early 2000s NBA basketball in the eastern conference was horrible. 😂

[@KongoZo]

Gonna be interesting when these guys get older and they preach to the then youth about an era They never watched.

[@itsdebatabletv5412]

how can they not say it’s trash. it’s literally the worst 5 year span in basketball.. idk why they won’t say the worst is trash

[@cyrusdaoutcyda2599]

Eastern conference in the early 00s was garbage before the '03 draft.. bro kicking facts

[@devonjohnson3077]

He sleep if he don’t think the Raptors Vince Carter era was a weak team

[@Camzse27]

Ticket has Charles Barkley 12th overall his basketball opinion is irrelevant

[@freshprinceshakur4596]

The West was different basketball than the East, now every team is the damn near the same

[@Jay1Whitten1]

The pace of some western teams played at was faster but not enough for it to be that big of a margin against the east.

[@easyyeye]

Da zoom in feature reminds me of Around The Horn

[@donnycash]

Tim Duncan Shaq KG Dirk Steve Nash Karl Malone J Kidd Kobe all in the west during 2000-2005. Reason why the West was better, The East was also competitive Pistons Nets Pacers 76ers all were good teams. All NBA teams are dictated by individual talents not teams and conference.

[@michaeljohnson7945]

Jason Kidd was with the Nets by the 2001-02 season.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The West was basically Kobe/Duncan/Shaq and not much else.

[@leehen468]

I can’t take Low serious yeah he puts up good arguments but he doesn’t look like he played any sports back then there was a lot of parity parity in the league then and yeah the west dominated Shaq and Kobe the same team and Tim Duncan with the spurs all championship built teams really

[@100fxtradinggroup3]

I agree with Low the east was not that good

[@tayluc777]

Pacers would’ve won without the Malice. Pistons should’ve won 2 rings but Sheed had mental lapses. It’s a few more examples but the East was better overall. Especially defensively.

[@christiansoldier77]

eastern conference was a joke in the 2000s

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

So was the West. Basically it was just LA or San Antonio cakewalking to the Final year after year.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 No there were way better teams like Sacramento Phoenix Portland and Dallas

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@christiansoldier77 Phoenix never won anything, Portland was too volatile and dysfunctional, Dallas choked to Miami the one time they broke through that Laker/Spur stranglehold

[@christiansoldier77]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 They were top teams who won 50 or 60 games . I didnt say they won chips but they were way better than anything in the east

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@christiansoldier77 50 meaningless wins. Didn't mean a damn thing when it mattered most.

[@paypastackz2g328]

Micheal Redd and Tim Thomas wasn’t on the 2001 bucks

[@razkable]

Thomas was

[@Bugdubbs]

My top 3 rn Ticket , Rob , Low HM Marx

[@michaeljohnson7945]

I disagree with some of these comments dismissing how much stronger the Western Conference was over the Eastern Conference. The 2000s East was notoriously weak, especially in the first half of the decade. In 2001-02, the top three seeds (the Nets, Boston and Detroit) did not make the playoffs the previous season. In 2003-04, Miami was the fourth seed with a 42-40 record. The bottom half of the playoff bracket were teams with .500 or worse records; Boston made the playoffs with a 36-46 record. On the other side, the Western Conference teams' records were inflated because they were beating up on the East. In 2000-01, seven teams won at least 50 games. In the 2002-03 and 2003-04, six teams won at least 50 games. In 2000-01, the No. 7 seed in the West (Portland) had the same record as the No. 3 seed in the East (Miami). In 2007-08, Golden State went 48-34 and missed the playoffs, but would have been the No. 4 seed in the East with the same record. San Antonio and the Los Angeles Lakers won nine titles between them in a 12-year span (1999 lockout to the 2009-10 seasons). Nine of the 12 league MVPs went to players from the Western Conference. The conferences were so unbalanced there was an open discussion on whether the league should change its alignment, remove the divisions or even reseed the teams when the playoffs started. Even today, the Western Conference has had the better interconference record 21 out of 24 years since the 1999-2000 season; the East have the better record only in the 2008-09, 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons. Also, the West has won 10 of the past 15 NBA Finals. Of the East's five championships, three of the East's championship teams had LeBron James (2012-13 Miami, 2016 Cleveland). Remove LeBron, and the East went 11 years without a championship team (2008's Boston to 2019's Toronto). Since Michael Jordan retired, the West has won the NBA title 17 out of 25 years.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

Just a depressing era of basketball. Spurs and Lakers over and over and over It was no better than Cavs/Warriors

[@MrSlashblade]

I understand it’s funny or notoriety, but there comes a point where one of y’all got to tell him to stop cutting people off.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Old heads don’t rely on logic and reason.

[@shaq0820]

When you get to calling those early 2000s EC garbage 🗑️ you discredit Shaq and Kobe cause those finals were cake walks. Even though the West was tougher

[@razkable]

It wasn't just that the east sucked...the west was far better for a 5 year stretch...even when other conferences suck the other side is not that much better overall

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The West wasn't better. LA and San Antonio were. Portland/Minnesota wouldn't have won anything in the East.

[@donnycash]

The Bucks in ‘01 Swept the Lakers in the Regular Szn

[@razkable]

1 road game..big deal

[@legendarywiimaster]

@@razkable 2 but sure

[@IconicUniverse4L]

The east was the weakest from when Lebron went to the heat till he left to go to the Cavs that was the worst eastern conference I KNOW OF. Nobody could beat nor challenge any Lebron team in the east no matter who he had

[@legendarywiimaster]

Disagree, the conference got MUCH better after 2008.

[@losboski4876]

How can james be better than Iverson when he gets little all the time in the playoffs

[@GXprogamer]

how can iverson be better than james when james makes the conference finals 3 more times than iverson, kind of hilarious

[@GXprogamer]

you say this shit like Iveron won a championship or something LOL, not to mention dude missed the playoffs 6 times

[@j-us-t_be-in-g]

Low nitpicks. Ticket clearly don't always remember all the details, so when he say Toronto won 50 games...don't take literally because he's throwing an estimate. Ticket knows what he's talking about though. Low takes every little thing Ticket say too seriously. Low should learn to read between the lines more. The fact was...Toronto was a good team in the 2000s and not many teams was cracking 50-win seasons often.

[@crank60]

WRONG, I'm from Toronto and they never cracked a 50 win season until 2016, and vince carter's success was only 2001 when they made the second round as a 47 win team. Outside of that, that Era of the raptors were never contenders regardless of how you wanna slice it, also Toronto, Milwaukee and Charlotte were never consistent winning teams in that Era (whom AI faced in that finals run)

[@dhruvudayshankar7531]

Ticket is an emotional lesbian who's never been right a day in his life get bro off the show

[@GetPackedUp00]

Low Refried They Ass The Clip 🤣🤣🤣

[@euntaepark6001]

When this TICKET guy is on the show, he talks a share of 85% all by himself. And 80% of those are 1) let me ask you a question 2) hold on 3) I'm cooking No legit logic or fact behind lmfao

[@unkxwnunkxwn8790]

Lol he said Jermaine O'Neal 2k he was ass on LA

[@temesgenbelai87]

East was garbage back then

[@NBS_VonGottiE]

Low sound smart but is not knowing the game I. The west at that time it was a different style

[@KingBreeze07]

Oh wow Toronto won 47 Games 😴😴 that's so far from 50. Stop it Low!

[@quinntonexecute]

Stat junkies are crazy. Anybody that watched those teams play knows the east was a DOG FIGHT. You watch the west to watch uptempo pretty basketball. The east was a slaughter house that didn’t produce the best stats.. or wins.. or anything else.. but he’s acting as if from 2000-2005 the west dominated the nba.. it was one dominant western conference team, which was the lakers.. winning.. then the dogfight that was the pistons beat they ass in 04 because they lakers couldn’t handle that level of physical play.. then the spurs won in 7 in 05.. which Tim donaghue CLEARLY STATED was a rigged game and that the pistons should have won. Regardless.. the conferences were just different and extremely top heavy. You had 2 or 3 teams in the west that were better than everyone else.. lakers spurs maybe Sac to a lesser degree.. then just a bunch of stars with no help. The east was far more equal which is what the record reflected.

[@RoninBgk]

You can also say that about the 2010s East. Also Marz likes attention, he's trying to be Shaq

[@elevatorelliot714]

No you can’t because there were actual great teams in the 2010s, which you didn’t have in the early 2000s.

[@jaylenflanagan1295]

No yu can’t it was good in the 10s

[@KingBreeze07]

James Harden has no finals appearance an 1 MVP with all due respect idk why tf y'all even talk on that guy let's see if he leads his squad to a title. If not 30-40 All-time at best.

[@GXprogamer]

yeah u might be dumb, Harden has a finals appearance, he just couldnt go to another finals appearance because dynasties and superteams stopped him from doing so, thats like AI if he was in the West rathe than the weak East, see how ironic that is

[@drebrooks3210]

Its the playoffs crrently.

[@Syphaxx5]

I love these guys

[@razkable]

2003 east was garbage...you look at the other rosters besides the nets omg....

[@Goatfan2k]

You’re not wrong-2003 was definitely a tough year for the East. Outside of the Nets and maybe the Pistons, the conference didn’t have the depth or star power that the West had. The West was stacked with teams like the Spurs, Lakers, and Mavericks. The East was competitive, but it just couldn’t measure up to the West that year.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@Goatfan2k Mavericks were pretenders. The 'stacked' West was propped up by the Lakers and Spurs. The West was a joke. Nobody took those other teams seriously.

[@B87H]

From 2000 to 2010 only 2 east teams won the chip the east was weak

[@B87H]

@Wes_420 your absolute right you kind of forget about 2006 Miami team

[@sub-zero7243]

You can say the same for the 90s only three teams won in the west But to you MJ fanboys the conference or NBA wasn't weak MJ was just dominant 🤣😂

[@B87H]

@@sub-zero7243 only 2 san Antonio & and Houston

[@jaylenflanagan1295]

Mjs conference was garbage fr

[@razkable]

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[@stackntax1308]

Hell naw LOW the worst eastern conference was from 2012-2017

[@unkxwnunkxwn8790]

VC and tmac and Bosh killer line up off tip

[@yokun1885]

Very Mid All Stars. Notice how all 3 of them aren't Top 75.

[@TellHerNothing]

@@yokun1885 If they didn’t keep players from the 50s and 60s on there all these names would be top 75

[@GFMSancho436]

The answer is No when the playoffs starts he forgets how to play basketball 🏀 Ai ball out in the playoffs

[@GXprogamer]

Harden is by far more talented in Playoffs than Ai, when did yall get this much delusion?

[@SasukeUchihax]

East had better defense then west back then ,it wasn’t a trash conference

[@christiansoldier77]

highofflife eastern conference was a joke that s why the west won so many chips in the 2000s

[@elevatorelliot714]

Yeas it was because all almost every great team was in the west. The early 2000s Nets were regarded as one of the worst teams to ever make the finals. And from 2000-2003 the East was trash and you didn’t have any truly special teams.

[@legendarywiimaster]

Part of that was the weak offenses they were defending. Although even when you adjust for that (I can’t remember what stat it is but you can find it on bball reference) the east teams tended to be just as strong if not stronger on defense

[@razkable]

The knicks 76ers nets combined won 1 home finals game from 1999 to 2002 and 2 total wins lol....the 00 pacers got 2 cause that was a good team...the 03 nets got 2 somehow so they got 6 combined over 5 finals only 4 at home and 2 were by the pacers...4 teams combined won 2 home games in 4 finals..lol

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@elevatorelliot714 There were only 2 great teams- Lakers and Spurs. Portland/Minnesota wouldn't have even MADE the playoffs if they were in the East

[@looechange7966]

Lows take his trash. His take is essentially saying that you shouldn't play in NBA finals. Whoever has the best record by far is the champion because whoever has the best record is clearly better than everybody else and can't be beat. We know that not to be true because of the 2016 finals. The West was better than the east but saying that they were trash is a bit much.

[@Jay1Whitten1]

That's not his take at all. What he's saying is in contrast to modern nba or even mid 80/90s nba the eastern conference in the early 2000s was horrible. Several years in the 2000s the western conference 8th or 9th seed would be a number 1 or 2 seed if their team was out east. That's trash if a team at the bottom of the playoffs can be flipped to the top if there were in the east.

[@mylaughingeffect3459]

Funny how the east from 2010 was weak but 200-2005 is was strong🤦🏽‍♂️🤣🤣..LeBron dominated so bad people calling it weak🐐. Fact: every since he left it’s been a revolving door bc no dominate team has came out b2b in 4 years since Bron left.🤷🏾‍♂️🐐🐐

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Yea Lebron, Wade and Bosh vs the Charlotte Bobcats was so competitive lol

[@kjo2130]

Tbh the East post 80s was garbage for awhile lol

[@joejett5084]

The 2000s was a weak era period. Kobe wouldn’t have achieved nothing without shaq and shaq without Kobe. Any team with 2 stars was taking the league back then. That’s why when the league finally had multiple stars on one team again, the media overhyped the term superteam which was your basic team of the 80s. People act like the lakers ran a 3 peat against teams with a lineup of Webber, t mac and iverson.

[@Woofreestyle]

Yeah I agree there wasn’t that much talent in the NBA. The talent that was there was spread amongst 30 teams. Usually one great player on a team.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

The super team trend has always been overrated. A complete team with two stars can always beat a super team with bad role player

[@1990POE]

*If we using the logic that people used against Lebron for years. Then yes the east was garbage. If Lebron faced a team that didn’t have 50 wins they were called a cake walk (raptors 49 wins) if he faced a 50+ win team then the logic switched to look at their roster they are overrated (Hawks 60 wins) if he beat a 50+ win team with a great roster then it’s well they were just babies (Celtics, bulls, thunder) they kept moving the finish line*

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

-Name one hall of famer on that Hawks roster ? I’ll wait…. -OKC was definitely a good team but it was a young Westbrook, a sixth man Harden and a superstar KD vs Wade, Lebron and Bosh all in their primes - Jason Tatum was a rookie in 2017-18 and Jaylen Brown was a sophomore. None of them all stars - Bulls ? Derrick rose and a defensive supporting cast is supposed to beat Lebron, Wade and Bosh in their primes ?

[@1990POE]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing the irony y’all don’t keep that same energy for jordan opponents 😂😂 it’s always look at their record never look at the hall of famers Nobody call the thunder too young when they were terrorizing the west but as soon as Lebron beats them “oh they too young” even tho that 95 magic team jordan faced was less experienced and younger than the 2012 thunder team Love how y’all act like defense don’t matter as if jordan didn’t have one of the greatest defensive rosters head to toe when he played. That d rose team would’ve went to the finals every year if not for the heat. They had the reigning mvp and Noah would become a defensive player of the year winner and a mvp candidate shortly after. So to make it seem like they had a weak roster Is weird And then even with the Celtics Lebron haters claimed they were too old when they faced Lebron even tho they had more all stars than the heat, just cane off the finals appearance the prior year, and nobody called them old when Kobe beat them, also rondo who was under 25 was their best player at that point. But people move the finish line on that one too.

[@fbwkeezy]

Eastern Conference had T Mac, and Miami Heat always been competitive

[@AuburnFanSince2010]

TMac was trash.

[@TellHerNothing]

@@AuburnFanSince2010 How? He had no flaws in his game and the only two stars he played with were injured constantly (Yao and grant)

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@TellHerNothing Efficiency problems and not a good defender

[@edwardfisher9930]

Well put it like this... the East had better wing play.. and the West had better big men and better teams.. but the East wasn't garbage.. it was a rock fight to 85 points in the east. It wasn't the prettiest game to watch but it was much more competitive than it was during the stretch of 2011-18 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@jaylenflanagan1295]

@@kingdavid7573 Bruh get off Lebron dick this like your 100th comment saying sumthing nobody cares about Kobe

[@sub-zero7243]

@@kingdavid7573 I have noticed you every where saying Kobe was better than LeBron 🤣😂 Kobe was great but their no facts to prove Kobe was better than LeBron Individually

[@elevatorelliot714]

Compared to other eras it sucked. From 2000-2003 the East was garbage.

[@jaywally6322]

Yall can't be serious! Yall downplaying the eastern conference at THAT time when u have guys now like Curry that won a majority of his rings in THE WEAKEST ERA OF BASKETBALL IVE EVER SEEN GTFOH

[@Jake.jakefrmstatefarm]

“Weakest era of basketball” 🤣🤣🤣 stop it harden, curry, kd, bron, jokic, dame, Kyrie, ginnas etc would fry everyone from any era

[@MrSlashblade]

LOW argument is based on one year and the cream of the crop. It’s the entire conference not just the best also how is an all nba INDIVIDUAL inductive of an entire team

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Now it makes sense why Lebron made 10 straight finals appearances. Easy to do in a weak conference.

[@MrSlashblade]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing this isn’t even about LeBron since the argument was from 2000-2005 LeBron didn’t go to the ECF those years try again troll

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@MrSlashblade LOW at the very end of the conversation says that he thinks that’s one of the reasons Lebron went to 8 straight finals …. Lol

[@MrSlashblade]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing so the entire video that they are talking and you think that had anything to do with LeBron but that little tid bit is what sells you? Cope troll

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@MrSlashblade 🌝Imagine playing two .500 Teams back to back in your first two playoff matchups in the 2000’s ? This doesn’t take away Lebron’s greatness as a top 5 player. These are just facts and stats lol .🤭

[@bravobessa3684]

It was not trash it was super even... each rean 1 to 6 could have go out of the east. The West was top heavy with the multiple super stars teams. Reason why you had a different team every year in the early 2000s.

[@Jay1Whitten1]

No team in the east in the early 2000s was super most of the east teams were build off one star & average role players. So it was easier for a new team to come out the east. If your star wasn't clicking in the playoffs that team was over. There were barely any 50 win teams. Even more damning the 8th seed in the west in the early or mid 2000s usually had a better record than the 1 or 2 seeds out east. That would be considered trash.

[@bravobessa3684]

@@Jay1Whitten1 beside 03/04 where the differential is big. The average gap between the 8th seed in the west and in the East is 2 to 3 game. Between 00 and 07. The west was top heavy. And the east was very balanced not trash fir the same reason you gave 1 star per team. Funny, the year where the east west gap is big. The best team in the league is in the East. The Pacers.

[@michaeljohnson7945]

@@bravobessa3684 By 1999 to the early 2000s, nearly all the elite big men (Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber, Dirk Nowitzki, Karl Malone, Rasheed Wallace, Elton Brand, Pau Gasol) were in the West and the West usually manhandled the East teams in interconference games. In 2001-02, the top three seeds (the Nets, Boston and Detroit) did not make the playoffs the previous season. In 2003-04, Miami was the fourth seed with a 42-40 record. The bottom half of the playoff bracket were teams with .500 or worse records; Boston made the playoffs with a 36-46 record. On the other side, the Western Conference teams' records were inflated because they were beating up on the East. In 2000-01, seven teams won at least 50 games. In the 2002-03 and 2003-04, six teams won at least 50 games. In 2000-01, the No. 7 seed in the West (Portland) had the same record as the No. 3 seed in the East (Miami). In 2007-08, Golden State went 48-34 and missed the playoffs, but would have been the No. 4 seed in the East with the same record. Look up the makeup of some of the early 2000 East teams. Philadelphia went to the 2001 NBA Finals with Allen Iverson and some defensive role players to cover for him. Boston went to the 2002 East finals with Paul Pierce and Antoine Walker as its only scorers. Milwaukee went to Game 7 of the 2001 East finals with three perimeter players (Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Glenn Robinson). The Nets looked like a powerhouse in the East only because they had four complementary players around Jason Kidd.

[@StevenTorres.NYC-CA]

Stop putting ticket on the show. He ruins it