VEGGIEWAGON AND MTGNERDGIRL OF DECKED OUT vs PLAY TO WIN - cEDH GAMEPLAY

This week we're joined by VeggieWagon and MTGNerdGirl for some cEDH!
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[@MTGNerdGirl]

This was a fun game! Thank you for inviting me to play my 1st cedh game.🥰

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Thanks so much for playing!

[@anstapa6118]

You did a great job! Taking out one of the hosts is definitely a square on the bingo card.

[@TripsAhoy]

Good game!

[@Mox_Normandy]

For your first game you did really well! Najeela isn't the easiest deck to pilot and you did fantastic

[@MTGNerdGirl]

​@Mox_Normandy thanks! I thought I had it for a second there. Silly veggie and his force of will!

[@necrow4155]

That was a great game. Veggie navigated the interaction so well!

[@AlCapone-uo9mi]

Sooo glad to see Daretti. Fun fact: planeswalkers activating is the cost. As the ability is resolving, you choose which artifact to sacrifice and target one in the graveyard. You cannot interrupt text boxes, so cursed mirror should have sayed on the field. Cam should have targeted the salvaging station with noxious revivial in response to the -2 ability. After that its too late and the station will enter the battlefield

[@josephahrens862]

Ya i was about to point that out you cant respond to daretti once the trigger resolves

[@FettNotch]

Wow! The chance of rolling snake eyes is 1/36, so the chance of it happening three times in a row is about 0,0021% or about one in 46.650. Even if we say that the average cEDH game only lasts 30 minutes, this happens about one time out of 971 days(!) of playtime. Even if you get to play cEDH for 4 hours a day every week it would take you roughly 16 years to encounter this pattern. Meaning that this will quite likely never happen again to Cam and Dylan in their lifetime. Game was impressive by the way, but the start had me and my math brain excited. Just to be clear: I understand that with 4 players in the pod you can have two chances of this happening (with players 1-3 or players 2-4 getting snake eyes) but it is a great Sunday afternoon and maybe someone can mix this in to be even more precise ;)

[@necrow4155]

You're saying Dylan and Cam won't live passed another 16 years 😮😮

[@FettNotch]

I was mostly trying to say that I would assume their playtime is probably less than 28 hours/week and they probably also use other methods to determine the starting player. I hope they keep their passion for more than 16 years :)

[@matthewspear2053]

I will add the more precise derivation of getting 7 1s in 8 rolls. (1/6)^7*(5/6)*8=0.0000238 or 0.00238%. The math is the odds of rolling a 1 7 times, times the odds of not rolling a 1, times the number of permutations possible (in this case 8). All in all your number was pretty close to the actual one, and regardless it is super-duper rare.

[@TooLeegitToQuit]

It wasn't really specified, but the interaction around 7:30 should've had Force of Will target the Wheel rather than the Tibalt's Trickery, because then she could've gotten the benefit from it resolving while still countering the Wheel.

[@ErnieKuhz]

She ended up losing 4 cards in that interaction lol should’ve got the wheel lol

[@exsnypre]

Considering neither MTGNerdgirl, nor VeggieWagon are known for cEDH gameplay, both of them navigated that game extremely well. So many well timed pieces of interaction in the game. Would love to see more non-cEDH community members brought on in the future too. Great game this week.

[@TheRDRipley]

Veggie and NerdGirl are just the nicest, sweetest people. BUT Cam/Dylan yall are beacons of positive energy too. Great game to watch.

[@acesblue123]

Was fun to see Veggiewagon and Mtgnerdgirl on your show! Hope they come back and play some more Cedh in the future!

[@fuckthis7508]

Love love love this crossover!! They are my favorite EDH channel and you are my favorite cEDH!❤ So excited to watch this video

[@Flip4Crypt]

So cool to see MTGNerdGirl playing some Cedh! I love Cam's cardigan, looks so comfy! Great shit as always guys! Thank you for the videos!

[@jonnybirch2268]

Loved the game! It was awesome seeing a new player, especially since she did so well :)

[@noface275]

Be right back - gotta buy a copy of Steal Enchantment for every blue deck I own 😂 Great game thanks for the video!

[@aaronhooker7588]

Pause episode, buy "Steal Enchantment."

[@anstapa6118]

Glad to know I wasn’t the only one to go check the price on it.

[@carmenhazard8492]

The 3 Snake eyes reminded me of a cedh tournament i played in where the top 4 had 6 nat 20s rolled to decide turn order, and PTW Tyler was the only one who DIDNT roll one 😂😂

[@zninja12345]

Lovely game. Great content. Thanks Cam and Dylan once again.

[@DionysusBrew]

What a game! Everyone had a shot! Well played to all! Also always love seeing Dimir!

[@patrikpotts]

1:28 Dylan realizes he left the oven on

[@rmorganslade]

Honestly best episode I've seen super fun loved it 1000%

[@DrkNinja_]

Dylan... Dylan... Dylan... I'm so sorry my friend... I don't think I've ever seen someone get focused so hard in my life.

[@michaelatbarnett]

That's a pretty fun game with lots of stack interaction. Why I love watching cEDH!

[@aaronhooker7588]

Love that gold bordered FoW.

[@VeggieWagon]

Yeeeeeeee loved playing with yall! Play more Steal Enchantment!

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

IM THINKING ABOUT IT

[@andythomas6236]

Great video love yalls content keep it coming

[@DevoidGoat]

The opening Beginnnnn took me out 😂😂😂

[@nerdlabmtg]

Great game. As a new Cedh player it is nice to see other players new to Cedh.

[@UgoCoppola]

nice game! How did you make the threshhold effect on the "begin" ? looks very cool

[@brianknowles3980]

lol @ the Snoop Dogg reference at the end. 😂

[@Aiviymatoc]

for sure the best commander youtube channel

[@EspeonGaming0]

Question for the cEDH players. Wouldn’t it be better to let the Tibalt’s Trickery resolve so you get a free spell then Force of Will the wheel after you’ve what what you got? Or is exiling Wheel of Fortune the right play? I feel like the value of a free spell is better in some scenarios

[@chrisbedrin3618]

Honestly, while a free spell is nice you don't know what it's going to be and it may just be another counterspell or something you don't want/need right now. However, if a deck is running Wheel of Fortune there's a very high probability that they're also running Underworld Breach so I would rather exile the Wheel than roll the dice on a random freebie.

[@EspeonGaming0]

I somehow blocked Breach out of my mind. Thank you. Thank makes sense now that you say it

[@stephanhasenberg7783]

Awesome game it was cool watching nerd girl and veggie getting down on some cedh would love to see them return to the show

[@aztcflow4734]

ive been playing steal enchantment and copy enchantment in my tivit deck

[@JustinETharp]

#iDidTheMath The odds for each die to be a 1 is a probability problem. Each die has a 1/6 (16.67%) chance of landing on a 1. Since there are 8 dice to be rolled, there is as follows: [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)]. Multiplied out: [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] = 1/1,679,616 (0.00006%). HOWEVER!! The odds of each player rolling snake eyes is a different probability equation, simplified above. Each player, having two dice, has the following probability: [(1/6)(1/6)]. Multiplied out: [(1/6)(1/6)] = 1/36 (2.778%). Meaning, that while the odds are extremely low for the entire table to roll snake eyes, the odds of each individual player rolling it separately are much, much more likely. In theory, because both Cam and Dylan rolled snake eyes, and then MTGNerdGirl rolled her snake eyes, VeggieWagon still had the exact same odds [1/36 (2.778%)] as everyone else to roll snake eyes. For fun, assuming that each player rolled a singular d20 instead of 2 d6s, the math would be as follows: Each die has a 1/20 (5.00%) chance of landing on a 1. Since there are 4 dice to be rolled, there is as follows: [1/20] [1/20] [1/20] [1/20]. Multiplied out: [1/20] [1/20] [1/20] [1/20] = 1/160,000 (0.000625%). Simplified, if you are wanting to attempt to get the lowest possible dice roll between four players, a single d20 roll for each player would be the best way to go about this opportunity. TLDR; 2 d6: 1/6 (16.67%) chance of landing on a 1, with two dice: [(1/6)(1/6)] = 1/36 (2.778%); [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] [(1/6)(1/6)] = 1/1,679,616 (0.00006%) for the entire table to roll snake eyes. 1 d20: 1/20 (5.00%) chance of landing on a 1, with one die: 1/20 (5.00%); [1/20] [1/20] [1/20] [1/20]. Multiplied out: [1/20] [1/20] [1/20] [1/20] = 1/160,000 (0.000625%) for the entire table to roll a 1.

[@joskajiri]

its Camerons jumper for me, brother that marvelous piece of cloathing! 2ndhanded?

[@a_level_70_elite_raccoon]

Pretty good game, still sad that we can never see Daretti do its thing. A healthy amount of respect keeps putting it in the dirt :D And now I'm off to the affiliate link to pick up a few copies of Steal Enchantment.

[@commandcovemtg]

Dang we early on this one! Gonna be good!

[@josefranciscodasilvaeolive674]

Best CEDH content on KZbin!! How about more Gitrog?? Please...

[@devan9197]

You read my mind I was looking for nymris gameplay

[@jasonappel1253]

6:41 Sacrificing the artifact is not a cost. The cost is only -2 loyalty. For that reason cursed mirror should not be sacrificed

[@JohnDoe-mt2sy]

It isn’t a cost it’s what the ability does.

[@robertbauerle5592]

Was lookin for this comment

[@Guerte]

I believe since the artifact is no longer a legal target since it got put on top of the deck, the ability fizzles and the Cursed Mirror would not be sacrificed.

[@bensteinhauser784]

Cursed mirror would still be sacrificed. A part of the ability is to sacrifice an artifact. It is not a may.

[@balonius]

We have a house rule that deserves to take over the world. If a player rolls snake eyes then the rolling is finished and that player goes first. Try it.

[@09Dragonite]

Great game, a couple of those spells were supposed to be *exiled* to pay for FoW and FoN (not discarded), but otherwise this game was absolutely hilarious and I really loved it!

[@autopsipath]

I run steal enchantment in azami, best option for enchantment removal in mono blue and its very rare its a dead card in hand.

[@desipimp92]

The best opening BEGIN ever

[@amarauk9687]

Steal enchantment is a thing? What an absolute beast

[@professionalaverageppsize]

I would like to see a game of 2 headed giant cedh

[@aidanschauer1581]

Dope game, great collaboration

[@drew941]

Curious about the move to join the counter war for basalt by mtgnerdgirl with a win in hand. Cam couldn't really do anything with it because he was hellbent and thras was useless with a notion thief out.

[@apiniorchard]

Awesome game, I really wanna know where cam got those dual land proxies, they look awesome

[@crppledizzle9374]

Do you know about mpcfill

[@Pizza_force]

Cam I need cardigan details. That is sick looking. Great game as always.

[@ajaydassani9931]

Great game.. mtgnerdgirl did great in her cedh debut

[@bradyhardaway9245]

The “Steal Enchantment” convo got me thinking. Would “Claim the firstborn” be any good in the format, a one mana way to steal most impactful creatures in the format, even if it’s just a turn, stealing a drannith or a Tymna to draw, I feel like it might be an underexplored piece of interaction

[@TheGrifcannon22]

I run it in Rowan but mostly to use on her. I could see it being a neat little trick.

[@acesblue123]

If you’re able to sac the creature before the end of turn, might be worth it. I’ve had a Rocco deck play it against me in a tournament before. Sandbagged my win.

[@TheGamingED]

I know someone who runs Claim in their Jeska/Tevesh deck. Tevesh’s ability to sacrifice a creature makes Claim very good

[@chasesimmons3053]

Music absolutely slaps

[@halvsketchy9293]

I have never felt this bad for Dylan. All that interaction against him, then stax that specifically stops his deck from doing anything and then a full beatdown while he's down😂

[@isaac144]

I love the apple mouse from Dylan

[@dafickler]

Odds of specifically rolling (7) 1s out of 8 is 1/279,936.

[@Orelusz]

That was such a nice game!

[@aaronsoat5480]

I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen someone pay mana for a git probe. Nice game.

[@undeadjebus]

I know it would have been a risky play but, in Cam’s position when he played the EWit, I would have gotten Noxious Rev and put the Wheel on top of Dylan’s deck.

[@derAlphabet]

That roll off 😅

[@elaguitas409]

Would have been interesting to see what tibalts trickey hit, if she had force of willed the wheel instead

[@Razzia334]

Something something Yisan. It's Sunday morning, I'm tired 😴

[@cruinard3710]

Veggie??? Nerdgirl??? Love it

[@dimitriosdoulgeris4659]

Which token Dylan controls is represented by Ryuk? Sweet as apples!

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Spirit !

[@sribrogangster3267]

Targeting the mono Red i can do that all day

[@noahmurtha4036]

Damn just SEEING Daretti makes me want to switch my Emry KCI list to Daretti 😭

[@benbarclay4239]

In my limited experience with Najeela it seems like she does often have to beat up on the player in last place and often kill them first, when obviously she'd rather be going for the threat player. Is she supposed to just remove the open target from the game or is there any other line that can be taken there?

[@TheRealQwade]

Najeela wants a critical mass of warriors. Because her growth is exponential, the first few turns are the most important, so you want to keep as many as you can because 1 becomes 2, then 4, then 8, and so on. Once the player you ganged up on is dead, you're very likely to kill another or even both remaining players on the next turn (or even the same turn if you have enough mana). She also benefits greatly from player removal since it's one less person to worry about having interaction that can stop you from just running the table over.

[@MrSeismitoad]

@@chrisbedrin3618 It is exponential though, the number of warriors you have is equal to 2^n, where n is the number of times you've attacked. Not counting for any soldiers dead/extra soldiers of course. It is exponential growth where 2 is the base of it.

[@boredindividual]

I see this was the bully Dylan episode

[@williamhudgel7499]

How do I play a game with you guys?

[@pvolt7]

what a game! zip zap apowwwwwww

[@leogon1548]

You can still use the generic mana from Urza's saga? I thought you could not use the previous saga's effect? He just used saga's first effect @10:00 ??

[@TheGrifcannon22]

The effects are cumulative for Urza's Saga because the first and second abilities say "this gains the ability" so as long as it stays in play you can use the abilities as they are gained.

[@leogon1548]

Cool@@TheGrifcannon22

[@Xeno-MTG]

I don't think Veggie needed to fight over the Basalt Monolith. Between Notion Thief and Grafdiggers Cage Cam the infinite mana doesn't help at all :D

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

With notion thief out, cam can force veggie to draw out his deck and die and Cage doesn’t do anything to stop thrasios from drawing

[@Xeno-MTG]

@@PlaytoWinMTG dang you're right, somehow my brain stopped midway through

[@bobthor9647]

Cool game

[@ctkiyabu]

Comment/question: he said if Thassa's resolves, I will cast DC... isn't that a misplay? That would mean that he checked Thassa's etb, THEN cast DC, milling himself?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

You can cast DC with the Thassa’s Oracle trigger on the stack after it resolves, which is what he did

[@dancer6452]

To offset the going 4th debuff me and my regular pod in cedh games dio a sequential scry to offset turn position, so 2nd player scry 1, 3rd player scry 2 4th player scry 3 after all hands are kept, so far it feels like it really balances the wins between the seats more than a normal game does, what do you think of that house rule?

[@TripsAhoy]

Nice game. ❤❤❤

[@MageSkeleton]

blue has way too many ways to draw cards and way too many "free cast" counterspells while red has Deflecting Swat. Force of Vigor is a really good card but that has to respond to something happening and Force of Despair has a similar problem while also being in a color where "card advantage" either costs life or doesn't happen and only applies to creatures that entered that turn. And when Thassa's Oracle does the devotion check even if it's zero and you have zero cards in library the win still happens. Same difference with Slaughter Pact.

[@lisaparker271]

What is that playmat that nejeela is on from?!

[@MTGNerdGirl]

That is art of me and my dog Hamlet. We have art from all the different magic planes. I'm glad you like it.

[@ggangulo]

siiiiiiick game.

[@TheWaffleDad]

Do y'all think mindbreak trap could go in a casual edh deck or nah?

[@palace_gaming2256]

No

[@Highwang]

The poor mono red deck in a pod of blue players.

[@Death_by_Tech]

I what is an enchanted enchantment 😅😅

[@thetokenasian77]

Feels like veggie and girl refused to interact with each other.

[@bryanflores7838]

@15:58 Twins!

[@Trollzarro]

6:19 Daretti is my main (read: pet) cEDH deck. It's gotten to the point for me when someone calls Daretti "Derevi" in game, I ask that player what their name is, then proceed to call them another name starting with the same letter (ex: John. Good to meet you, Joe!). After they give me a puzzled look, I say "doesn't feel so good, does it?"

[@MTG_Ronin]

Love her

[@definitelynotmany4972]

13:45 I feel like you should block there. MtgNerdGirl overcommitted attackers, knowing you would block them. To me, those blocked soldiers seem like the cost of killing you

[@ethanstates884]

lol are you actually wanting the odds of 7/8 of the dice all be 1s? Because we can do that.

[@matthewhiles3176]

0.0002381497%

[@ImaBearEtc]

play to win on my DAY OFF?

[@jonathankowatch6947]

Whoohoo! First one here

[@iPhoneeditor]

I don't think I've ever seen steal enchantment before and I gotta say, that's a spicy card. Rhystic Study is probably the best card in the format and virtually every pod will contain blue. It also steals nyxbloom ancient and Sylvan library in addition to the aforementioned mystic remora. Worth considering...

[@jonathonfoster3942]

I'm so confused. Why was all the hate going toward the weakest deck at the table?

[@AtingsQuest]

Daretti - 2 didn't resolve when the target is missing, which means you don't need to sacrifice the mirror.

[@bensteinhauser784]

I believe this is incorrect per the creation of reflexive triggers in 2022. −2: Sacrifice an artifact. If you do, return target artifact card from your graveyard to the battlefield. The first part of the ability sacrifices an artifact. Once that is done the reflexive trigger goes on the stack and a target is declared. Grist's second ability works this way as well Grist test below for reference. −2: You may sacrifice a creature. When you do, destroy target creature or planeswalker.

[@AtingsQuest]

@@bensteinhauser784 An ability will fizzle if all of its targets are illegal, and none of its effects will happen in that case. Since sacrificing the artifact is part of the effect, if you make the target in the graveyard illegal, no artifact will be sacrificed.

[@WhosNick]

Why not send the warrior tokens at Veggie towards the end there

[@MTGNerdGirl]

I didnt want to lose them. I knew I didn't have enough to kill him after he counted my win. So I needed one more turn anyway. So my attack made for a bigger build up to have a better chance to kill veggie the following turn if he didn't have it. Maybe it was wrong. But it was my 1st cedh game. And I've never played with these cards before.😅

[@Jormungadr]

Ban rhystic and mystic

[@ELDevaux]

Cam should have held up 4 mana to activate thrasios and kill Veggie

[@TheGrifcannon22]

How would activati g Thrasios kill Veggie?

[@DOLOTread]

Idk cedh is cool but seems like the same 15 cards everyone uses

[@petercarrington8113]

I’m so glad I manifested this🤌🏼 glad to see Nymris in action!