Please Shut Up

[@japaizm]

Ok bro, Im sorry.

[@andrive]

I apolozige

[@Bloody_Spine]

I’ve made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgment

[@CaptainSnackbeard]

Heart on My Sleeve is the best Drake song. I'm not ashamed

[@ivyunlucky]

@@Bloody_Spine I’m only human after all

[@JazzYachtrocker]

Get it together

[@ERock6662]

As a hobbyist music maker, I can confirm the music making process is the fun part.

[@FlameOnTheBeat]

Yeah I kinda gave up on connecting with others and posting my music for the most part and just make it for me now.

[@SabiJD]

I read that as "lobbyist music maker", and thought 'what the holy fuck'... Creating can also be a pain, though. I've loved writing, but the process can be like pulling teeth. The end result is satisfying, but the road to get to that is, frankly, mostly awful. I'm not dumb or capitalist enough to want to automate it and then call it 'mine', however... But yeah, making music? That was always engaging and fun, even if ideas don't work out.

[@DarkWebMarkets4Life]

No it's not, it's a torturous affair taking years to learn an instrument. Have you ever actually learned one?

[@mustanggox]

​@@DarkWebMarkets4Life developing a skill is different than the act of using that skill to create art. once youre in a comfortable spot with the skill i think most people have an easier time enjoying the process

[@170AndBeyond]

Ive been producing as a hobbyist for over 10 years. I've often thought about never releasing anything. It does defeat the point in a sense, but as you say, the process is what's fun.

[@scose]

As a tech person, it breaks my heart that my field has automated the most fun activities while making minimal progress on things that actually help humanity

[@sofaspeaks]

like what happened to using ai to make bounds in medicine? what about digital consciousness! what happened to trying to use it to improve lives instead of making money?!

[@dumpsterDeity]

​@@sofaspeaks Well, they tried using AI to deny insurance coverage claims. That's the best application in the medical field they could find

[@JeffTaulton-f9d]

​@sofaspeaks because this is a capitalist dominated planet. If doesnt make a capitalist rich, it isnt worth doing (not according to me, just the general sentiment that dominates our lives)

[@eleruces7722]

​@@sofaspeaksthe profit margin doesn't like those applications :(

[@spectrumunit]

Coming from a job in IT, I think that is true for nearly every field in IT. The amount of time I have spent companies optimizing their marketing budgets or make people buy stuff far outweighs anything else I have worked for... "humanity helping jobs" are very sparse.

[@JackieLombardi]

As someone who takes an insane amount of pleasure in the process of creating music, it kinda breaks my heart to see where things are going. Whenever i load up FL studio or sit in front of a guitar or piano I feel like that's the only time reality truly makes sense to me personally. Hitting a button and generating a composition is NOT artistry or creativity. And while that may be an obvious sentiment, the fact that it isn't to so many people - or people like Mikey boi actually REVEL in taking the easy way out and cutting every possible corner in the creation of music is gut wrenching. We might be witnessing the death of art in real time.

[@user-dl2um6sv9d]

yeah computers really killed chess, nobody plays or enjoys it anymore now that computers are better than humans at it! and we should also ban ozympic because it's just taking the easy way out and the people who take it can't experience the satisfaction of losing weight naturally!

[@kaijū317]

No we are not. You can write this off as cope but real life, as dystopian it has become, will NEVER be fiction. There will never be a world where people won't fight tooth and nail to keep real art alive. That light will never go out, no matter how bad things get. In fact, the worse it gets the more we will bounce back from it. Maybe all this AI shit is what we need to reignite true understanding of the value of art to the masses.

[@dontworryaboutit273]

As long as there's people like you, there will be authentic art

[@SydneyCita]

Music is empathetic at its root. AI will never replace the expression and relationship of human experience

[@SabiJD]

​@@kaijū317A stumbling block to your admirable, and quite reasonable, positivity is; corpos... Specifically, how much influence corporate entities are having over society and culture. I do overall agree with you, that there'll always be people who want the real deal - and people who want to *make* legit culture. But things are looking rather dystopic with the likes of Muskrat and now Zuckerberg, and as corpo mania and control escalates, shite like AI will essentially be forced on everyone. It will shape the norm. AI scales exponentially, and I'm not sure who is in a position to put the brakes on it at all.

[@mooglglius]

"Why don't all chefs just cook hot dogs?"

[@iamathousandapples]

The slenderman has them all

[@DanialTarki]

“Bitch, we already do.”

[@Hosae-v4c]

Fr

[@JustKenExisting]

This right here sums it up perfectly

[@jovidalmeida2801]

True

[@SidhArts]

"Most people drop out of that pursuit because it was hard" Yeah and we should be glad that only the people who actually love and enjoy and find personal fulfillment making art are the ones making us the stuff that gets us through our days We *want* the people who didn't drop out to be the ones making our stuff man, that's the ideal

[@dankbonkripper2845]

That's gatekeeping. Which is a good thing, but that's what you're asking for.

[@MM-vs2et]

@@dankbonkripper2845 You gotta gatekeep at least a little to prevent the whole thing from breaking down

[@user-dl2um6sv9d]

just don't listen to it?

[@SidhArts]

@ To be fair, I haven't said that nobody else should be allowed to make stuff Just that we should be glad that the ones that are making stuff at the end of the day are the ones who actually want to Anything more that pops into your head in relation to this statement is from your mind, not mine.

[@user-dl2um6sv9d]

@ i clearly do not understand your position, then. if somebody types 'make a goofy techno song about succulent cacti' into this program and receives a goofy cactus techno song, did they not want to make it? do you think that it is a bad thing for those people to be able to do that if they want to and that they shouldn't have the ability to? if you don't have a problem with that, then what's your point? who's advocating for people being forced against their will into making music that they don't want to make?

[@_joey_4744]

I think there's really an instant gratification problem with the "everything can be AI automated" mindset. AI bros don't want to take the time to learn a new skill and they especially don't want to start out bad as a beginner. Believe it or not, learning a new skill and watching yourself improve is a deeply gratifying thing.

[@user-dl2um6sv9d]

people still play chess

[@thapoint09]

Seconded. AI can never provide the feeling of "holy shit. I _made_ this" that actually sitting down to create a new piece of music does.

[@user-dl2um6sv9d]

@ then don't use it?

[@weaselsdawg]

@@user-dl2um6sv9d this is such a great comparison. thank you

[@yungmandeux1729]

I agree with you but i do think it needs to be said that teaching an ai to do something specific can count as a skill in itself

[@Magezxwe]

AI music/art is like a mosquito that won’t leave u alone until it gives you malaria. No that is not an exaggeration.

[@JackieLombardi]

I would honestly say that was an understatement

[@Kalitayy]

AI music/art is like rabid dogs that will always want to bite you until you get Rabies. And those who support AI “arts” are like Polio that needs to be removed once again (they did with NFTs)

[@AlphaAceEX]

​@@Kalitayy Eh unlike nfts, these stuff is mostly about costcutting measure and has actual real world use. So no, not the same "enemy" to fight.

[@user-ez9ng2rw9c]

​@@KalitayyNFTs and AI are not even in the same ballpark. AI actually exists and is useful, for one thing, and actually is getting dramatically better every year.

[@unit--ns8jh]

Please stop this mosquito slander 😤

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

What a title, saw it and immediately stopped talking to the voices

[@FrederickYahahaha]

Wait I didn’t knew you watched this channel

[@meowertwelve]

I wish my mom would stop talking to the voices.

[@baranda0]

“I hear voice in my head! They talk to me!”

[@VictorIV0310]

Must be some coral mutation

[@SAINT-CHROMA]

Ariana what are you doing here ?!!!!

[@tylerhackner9731]

I’m a real boomer about ai. It’s a real killer of creativity

[@Jobother]

I’m reading about the Butlerian Jihad from Dune and I totally understand where they’re coming from.

[@kirby7475]

Sounds like math teachers when the calculator came out: "Waah people are gonna stop learning math waah" Ai, like a calculator, is just a tool. It can equally be a tool for creative processes as well. Just like a calculator is a tool to help you learn, understand and use advanced maths. Yeah, it makes some things easier, but isn't that the point? Letting it do all the menial, time-consuming dog-work so that you can focus on the important stuff?

[@vapor404]

@@kirby7475 thats a really good way of putting it

[@futura.free17]

​@@kirby7475Yeah but did you watch the video?

[@Jaspertine]

@@kirby7475 The whole point is that the music making process is the important stuff. It's the part of the process we look forward to the most. Why the hell would I offload my favourite part onto a AI?

[@Reaktion280z]

The people who use software like this don't give a damn about the art, only the recognition, and social media has conditioned everyone to want to be recognized 'right now'.

[@search895]

Exactly. Many people can't grasp the idea of being self validated through self scrutiny. They think being good enough to others only apparently is the only thing that matters.

[@itsybitsycherry]

When AI “art” started becoming a thing, I saw a fair amount of people coming out of the woodwork to defend it because it “levels the playing field between artists and non-artists”, which always reeked of jealousy to me.

[@markcarey67]

You develop your soul through learning difficult things. We admire excellence BECAUSE not everyone can do it.

[@search895]

That's right. If the goal of sports was only to win at the olympics, we would be arguing if playing a basketball video game qualifies as a basketball player, but it's clear it would make no sense.

[@kirby7475]

I learned calculus with AI. it doesn't mean it was easy. Sure it'd be easy if I just told it to give me all the answers, but then I wouldn't actually learn anything. Point is the users of AI just need to hold some responsibility in how they use it. AI can be a fantastic teacher as long as you ask the right questions. It doesn't have to be used a an encyclopedia.

[@terrycruise-zd5tw]

theres no proof that a soul exists...burden of proof falls on you to prove a soul exists

[@sleepinthemorningcalm]

“The bourgeois are not human” Their economic position insulates them from the normal human experience and everything that is beautiful about humanity

[@Conor-gd3in]

dude i was just crying to Disco Elysium what the fuck???

[@autonomous3807]

Like?

[@Conor-gd3in]

for free

[@inefffable]

Many people miss out on many of the beautiful experiences available to humans. They're still humans. Tbh tho I don't recall this quote, and don't know the context.

[@DukeOnkled]

@@inefffable The sentiment makes more sense when you look at the things CEOs generally do.

[@JeremyAndersonBoise]

The fun part of fantano’s job is picking that sweater, hat, tshirt combo.

[@susannahs8533]

I’m the child of two professional musicians, pianist and violinist, and I don’t play anything (despite having taken obligatory lessons as a kid). I see how hard it is, so I attend their concerts and support them that way. Musicians NEED audiences, it’s an important role to play. We don’t need to use environmentally unfriendly tools to contribute to that, we can also just be fans. It’s fine! Fulfilling, even!

[@SamuelMcAlpin-ft3uu]

“Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere,” essentially.

[@trnt6164]

The message of Ratatouille

[@Gorgons_Gaze]

i once talked face to face to a guy who called himself an "ai artist" and i asked him, not combative or anything, about trying to actually draw? there's an immense amount of pleasure in the process of training your eyes and hand to put your idea into life and then looking back at it and saying "holy shit I MADE IT". his response? he doesn't really care about that, he just wants to see the end product. my most charitable explanation for this is that those kinda people essentially see creative endeavors as googling. i have to cling to it because otherwise i find it incredibly hard to stop wondering if they're really human or if they're even sentient because it disgusts me so much to think we're the same species

[@raymcconnell2223]

It's not that deep

[@mpeanut5066]

​@@raymcconnell2223it absolutely is that deep. Get less shallow

[@PolentaTaragnarock]

As an artist (an actual artist, i don't use AI), drawing has become draining and painful, and i no longer enjoy partaking in any kind of art. The only thing that's keeping me from using AI is my sense of morality and my respect for fellow artists.

[@themightymcb7310]

​@@raymcconnell2223 no, you're not that deep. There is a difference.

[@C.G.Jr.]

Fascists be like - my favorite part of the creative process is not doing it at all 🤓

[@grimtarot]

Fascists - How many aesthetics can we reappropriate???

[@anthonycar5182]

I’m curious what you think a political ideology predicated totalitarianism, violently and relentlessly suppressing opposition, and cultivating a xenophobic and self serving vaguely supernatural nationalist group identity has to do with an app that develops ai art.

[@camillel0100]

You called it art my dude, you're already cooked.

[@anthonycar5182]

@@camillel0100 My bad bro Truth be told I don’t really care about the aspect. I’m just kinda curious about this conception of fascism and how it relates to the creative process in this way. Call it whatever ya like

[@uniquealias256]

i love how you can not only tell the song is AI, but that he also has no feel or soul for music from his "dacning" so he has to resort to this 💀

[@lockytonight5110]

So?

[@Cobalt985]

@@lockytonight5110 You might be on the wrong channel bud, here we use our braincells instead of rotting them

[@Blueeyesthewarrior]

The absolutely soulless head banging wraps all the way around to satirical performance art. This is what it looks like to be proud of being lazy and uncreative.

[@HectorTWE]

Reminds me of the quote "I want AI to do my chores so I can be free to pursue my art, and not AI to make my art so I am left to do only chores"

[@ApocalypseMoose]

Every time I hear an A.I. bro posturing and building a pedestal for their art-stealing slop and explaining their reasons for it, I start to think that maybe free speech actually _is_ a double-edged sword.

[@search895]

Maybe if ai bros aren't willing to put the effort to really think before talking they should let an ai do ir for them 😅

[@Gothstana]

Just gotta remind them that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequence.

[@tropezando]

Replace CEOs with AI that blends right wing culture war talking points with current trending business buzzwords and animates LinkedIn profile pics.

[@TheLawnCareNut]

ai will never replace fantano. That is all that matters.

[@HS.0J]

Thats is the curse of AI

[@passivestatue]

Forever.

[@d.l.mhaoir.33]

if you drop out of making music because it was too hard, you clearly don’t have the will for it. if you don’t have the will for it, then that’s a you problem.

[@majortom331]

Right ? At that point you're just a quitter and don't want it enough.

[@RiseOfTheKumquat67]

The enjoyment of a skill is the amount of time you spent not getting it multiplied by the amount of time you spend getting it. If you didn't climb Cringe Mountain, you can't appreciate the view.

[@ganyunyuu]

I'm ass at music production, it's frustrating sometime or most of the time actually, but it's fun and i get to express what i wanted to express on my own way.

[@SonicMTD]

I love performing music but I realize how important it is to actually make good art. The joy that comes from playing your own music that took months to create is addictive. So far the only thing I hate about the whole process is essentially becoming content creators in order to promote it. Well that and gatekeeping but that’s a given.

[@Aseeingeye9]

having to explain the common sense behind making art to people is my Hell.

[@tylerove2495]

Part of the reason people learn to play music is that it’s enjoyable

[@SabiJD]

And rewarding. And cathartic. And communicative. And revealingly introspective to the point of helping you grow as a human being. Seriously, fuck that AI guy and his nonsense. What an absolute clown. AI has some amazing applications as a tool, but it also opens the floodgates for utter hacks and charlatans, and they're what most of us have to put up with.

[@unrealistic5462]

The hard work for really ANY art is the reason art is so great. It sucks that I myself can't be a perfect filmmaker immediately, but I know I need to do it because I want to be on my goals, make my thing, pave my way. There shouldn't always be shortcuts, it's a long road, it's full of sweat and tears, but it pays off if you love that specific thing.

[@IRDeady]

I promise you, if creative AI stuff ever catches on each company will put some sort of signature in the files they generate and in time use that to claim rights to the "works." Like let's say it's the AI guys dream world and everyone is using this software to create art. The second they find out how to monetize that these companies will claim that since their software was used to create it, they have claim to, if not full ownership, then a cut. They really do envision this world where AI helps us all and every step of the way they are able to claim legal ownership.

[@luciomaffei3272]

The worst part is the guy in the second video bopping completely off beat

[@ropesquid2085]

This Mikey guy is really the type of guy who would have told Daniel Johnston to give up

[@bigkspicy8257]

That is such a perfect way to put it. RIP Daniel

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

I like how when he says “make music more accessible” he means “making music is too hard/not fun” because if he meant financial barriers, people would immediately point out the many free programs that exist. And if he meant disability barriers, all you have to do is point out that any disability that would get in the way of using a digital audio workstation would also apply to an ai website.

[@lockytonight5110]

Name the fully free programs that you can make non-generic music with, and doesn't that count as machines? All of you suck

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

​@@lockytonight5110 Well if it's quality you focused on, all programs are free if you pirate them. It's against intellectual copyright law to do so of course, but if your the type to use generative AI, that shouldn't be a problem.

[@lockytonight5110]

@@thelastchannelonyoutube so I should pirate more programs and get myself under the risk of getting jailed just to not use AI? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@LenaHarnessMusic]

@lockytonight5110 waveform is a free powerful daw many trackers and midi programs are also free

[@blastdamage]

@@lockytonight5110 If the music you make is generic that's your own fault for lacking originality, not the program's. Tools don't make the artist as the saying goes.

[@UGDEP]

The relationship between the input and the output of these tools is so tenuous, random and ultimately out of your hands that anyone who actually has an interest in music creation will just get frustrated by the lack of control and move on.

[@Frivolitility]

"The tune had been haunting London for weeks past. It was one of countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department. The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator." --George Orwell, 1984

[@ItsAK9]

I really fucking hate people who just have 0 creative passion, creative drive, and think of creating art solely as a money making path rather than something you love. It's like they forgotten why people are alive or share art at all. It's such a communicative tool that brings people together, but they'll never get that.

[@actionboy3221]

This reminds me of an old Eminem clip I saw recently. He was talking about Napster and how it was stealing and “what’s the point of making music if you don’t make money from it?” I was so disappointed. Like… usually the reason is that you love music!

[@pastromer8552]

honestly its inevitable for AI music to exist and probably be on streaming platforms, but there HAS to be a law where art that is made my AI art has some sort of tag or description on it so people can see that it is AI and not a real persons work

[@cheez1771]

The people who dropped out of making music because it was boring didn’t have the passion to do it in the first place.

[@AntiVectorTV]

This whole ordeal is a Not Fun Thing.

[@maxwelldavidson4157]

The running analogy made me realize the excuses Mikey (and by extention most of the people trying to sell AI slop/shilling it) are LITERALLY using the logic of "I personally HATE walking and running therefore I'm gonna use these metal legs that run FOR you. Wow look at me! I'm able to run as fast as a mediocre track athlete! Look how much I've accomplished! Now people don't have to work as hard to get into the sport!" while everyone who's put in the work to get in shape and get their feet in the door are sitting there bewildered by the back-bending thought process metal leg people use.

[@kirby7475]

Then get with the times and put those metal legs on bro

[@messucherforever]

yeah thats a bad analogy, in this case the metal legs would be just better than real ones and everyone who needs or wants them should get them. AI art sucks ass compared to great real art.

[@finalcut612]

@@kirby7475 why? 'Artist' should be a viable career. At least artists make something socially valuable. All AI does is generate money for rich people and run up our global emissions budget for an output which is mediocre at best.

[@ripztubig4457]

As a professional musician of 15 years, I've seen a lot of people like this. They want the prestige and lifestyle of a musician without doing the work to get to that point. They don't realize that playing music is a skill that you get better at over hundreds of hours of playing time. They brush it off as the musician just being talented as if given the gift of music by god. What they don't realize is that it's because of all of those hundreds or thousands of hours of practice to get to that point. Using AI to skip all of that is beyond lazy.

[@irishwr]

That electronic song sounded like a bad Puppet song

[@poetmanshell]

"Producing music sucks... Better use AI"... meanwhile I've been producing my best music with a tablet or a phone as an outlet for half a decade. If I really felt uninspired to produce, I just take a pause and reflect on what drives me to do music despite not having the professional material and not being able to play an instrument. F AI and anybody that tries to defend it. If you want to make music, create by yourself or with anybody, that's the principal way to find the interest of doing it.

[@MohammedAmro-hn2tm]

So true dude, i began producing like 4 months ago and never thought i needed AI for music creation, i watched a shitload of tutorials and there's still a lot of tutorials i didn't watch yet, but it so fun making music and jamming to it even tho its sounds ass the next day 😂

[@nathanmotzko5766]

my man anthony having ten toes down on this issue. thank you

[@andromedaphoenix]

"the last person i wanna hear music from is someone who hates making it" exactly!! like how can it be worth listening to if you don't think it's even worth actually putting in the effort to make it? same for ai 'art'. why is it worth MY time, if it wasn't worth yours?

[@LilDZox]

Okay as a musician, it sucks when you know nothing, but once you know everything, it's the shit

[@MM-vs2et]

Honestly, it's pretty good even when you know a little

[@wyattgranger5870]

The best is when you figure out something you didn't know, and it's even better than you thought it was gonna be.

[@muzikkification]

No, you don't know everything. THAT is the best part. I know you didn't mean you know absolutely everything, but I think it's important to always want to learn/explore the world of sound and making music more.

[@freyparsnip]

Waiting for Medi AI where anyone can be a Doctor and perform surgeries because going to school for 10 years was too hard and very boring. Anyone should be able to hold a scalpel and feel the joys of the medical field.

[@Idkwhat__]

My toes are wiggling

[@Rattles-Magoo]

Currently up twiddling my toes to this comment

[@sillygoof9944]

😂

[@Gothstana]

You just letting your dogs out like that, unsucked?

[@naumchomsky8840]

I got excited reading this.

[@Ragenade]

watched this video while taking a break from working on a song, and the CEO could not be more wrong about the enjoyability of making music im having the time of my life making weird shit over here what the fuck are you talking about

[@uphillracer]

For many producers and „musicians“ the task has become to COPY and emulate certain trends/styles/ phenomena - which is actually a bland task. Because you are doing robotic learning. To become an imitator. If you are an ARTIST, you don’t follow the manual one by one, you go on your own journey, pick up some tricks here and there, but your road is beautiful and enjoyable - and YOUR OWN. That’s the kind of learning that doesn’t suck. If it sucks, it’s cause you’re doing it wrong, then you’re not an artist but a wannabe robot, and then you might as well use a machine for your interests.

[@simpsonbart-fx9ww]

I noticed a pattern of when people demonstrate that they hate and devalue something, sometimes it's because they secretly envy it. I think the reason techbros hate art so much is because they secretly wish they could do it, and they envy those who can, but the only thing they put their energy on is stealing from other people. I have had the misfortune of arguing with a techbro and it's terrifying how shallow their view on art is. It makes me fear for the future.

[@lennoxmarchioly3089]

correct 🎯 it's literally just jealousy and uncreative lizardlike fascist brain, it's why they devalue art education and literature and modern art and act like STEM hustlegrinding is the only valid path in life

[@RagnarokHybrid]

It's this capitalist, tech-bro brainrot of seeing everything as "content" and "products" like nothing can be fulfilling for the sake of doing it - there's no intrinsic human/emotional value in creating something and toiling with it to transform it and make it better or in trying to figure out how to get that art to say something meaningful and lasting. It's just about the end goal and reaping the rewards from it, be it profit or (fleeting) entertainment. So having AI in the mix feels to these guys like cutting out the middleman.

[@jamesmartin6731]

I've barely finished a song in 5 years and I work on music everyday... if there's not a love of the process in there then idk what

[@Game-BeatX14]

Man, these AI companies make up so many excuses. Wish they would just admit that It's all for mass-generating content slop to earn money, instead of projecting their lack of passion or dedication onto other artists. It's so baffling to me.

[@bblvrable]

It's annoying that people who use generative AI think that other people want to have their slop inflicted upon them. It's one thing to find AI music by searching for "AI music", it's another to have it randomly appear in your playlist. KZbin is becoming very similar, with a huge number of videos now showing up that have an AI script read out by an AI voice over AI generated video clips. Worse, it's getting to the point where you don't immediately go "oh this is AI slop", so you might end up listening to it for a while before realizing that something's off. Heck, I'm sure there are plenty of people who never realize that something they're listening to or watching is AI-generated.

[@glyph_official]

Love the take on AI, and the takedown of this absolute ass of a CEO. Still, a middle-aged white guy wearing a red baseball cap is a bit of a jump scare right now, especially when you can't clearly see what the white stitching on the front says...

[@oops6876]

Eyeball cardigan can’t hurt me Eyeball cardigan: 👀👀👁️👁️

[@hotdog3700]

Hey guys I'm getting into this whole car racing business but I hate how hard it is to learn to drive, so I had this brilliant idea to start my own racing sport, were we use superior self driving cars, then the need for long tedious training and learning to drive is gone, more time to ride and compete in races

[@360.Tapestry]

i want the ai channel that rails against ai - it'll be it's own form of content

[@cindys9491]

Divide by zero error ;)

[@chronicallymeee]

Machines were supposed to give us more time to make art, not make the art.

[@majinriley9776]

bro said leave music alone

[@donaldissitt1082]

"this is bringing the power to make music to the masses" Kind of a scary statement considering every human being is born with the capability to make music. It is as innate as our language abilities, and unfortunately not nurtured in most people.

[@robojimtv]

Maybe they should have made an AI that takes care of the musicians social media and marketing since that's the part they hate

[@jml6263]

AI cannot make art. Period. No douchey reply in the comments will change my mind either. It can steal, it can immitate, it can hobble together, it can mock, but it cannot create something genuine and real which is the one true requirement of art to begin with. The truly sad thing is every single AI shill COULD make art themselves if they just put in a little effort and tried like every single other musician or artist. But they don't want to because they are lazy, and morally bankrupt. Also another point I want to make is one that Fantano says pretty much: that the worst music, the worst paintings, the worst fanfic or novells made by genuine humans are infinitely better than any level of AI slop because they are made with human love and desire to create. That's the whole point. So even if you are just starting, and your rap beat sucks ass or your guitar playing is pedestrian as fuck, you are putting art into the world and said world is so much better for it than if you didn't. Obviously this is a channel that judges music based on quality, but the creative process even at the most rudimentary is a uniquely human experience and we need to protect and champion it.

[@sodabread7956]

I think the joy of not only making your own music but the joy of being able to play along with a song or play in group/ band songs together and the work it takes to get good is the fun part, it's hard but fun and rewarding in a way few other things are.

[@stankycrusthunk]

9:02 as someone who lurked on Newgrounds all the time back in the day, this is exactly how i feel about animation. An amazing craft, but a demanding one. Never once have i thought to turn to AI to hone that craft for myself.

[@MusicJunkiePlus]

I imagine in 20 years, robots will be performing AI music at “live” concerts… can’t… wait… 🥴

[@orthomint]

Can AI just go away already 😭

[@toomanysymbols]

no 🤖

[@TonySmith79]

What would help me not get frustrated in making music or not learning an instrument at a higher level is the need to work a stupid job to keep playing music and that music lessons are expensive and we would all be off with government programs that offered high level instruction to anyone.

[@nodical802]

If they ban tiktok I want vine back

[@tylerhackner9731]

Unironically yes

[@treyturner9707]

its back lil bro, no need to worry :)

[@baranda0]

Ban Facebook & Twitter too but bring back Myspace 1.0

[@UnisusMC]

ban the internet

[@xenophon2199]

5:15 Mikeman. Fantastic.

[@FFmaxxx]

Lol that glitch pop song sounds like an anime opening

[@ZodiacBoi42]

As a musician who’s taken tons of classes and years of self teaching I enjoy every minute of it, sometimes it’s hard and difficult, but that effort makes it that much more rewarding to mess around with new sounds and new ideas, taking all that time in your life to make something beautiful and fun. I think the big problem with ai is it could never be nearly as rewarding to type in a few words into someone else’s generator, when you can make so much music from learning an instrument or even production, even that easy accessibility still requires so much effort, but it ends up being exciting. I’ve now learned multiple instruments, and now I’m learning how to produce, there isn’t much demand for musicians outside of stardom, and you probably won’t make a lot, but it’s always refreshing to feel those notes and write down new lyrics and dance with your friends, and that ultimately keeps me coming back to it, otherwise I’d just move on to something else, so many people outside of it focus on the monetary gain, how quickly you can make a hit using a sentence or two, but that isn’t really the point, sure you can get big, but it takes a lot of time to get there, and that’s when you can enjoy where you are, strive for better things and better playing, taking time to just sit there and strum a guitar, simply because it comes from YOU and not a machine that could be better used doing anything but making the music scene more deprived of creativity and emotion. Making music and developing talent is a uniquely human thing.

[@thisisnoma]

6:06 This reminds me of something a friend of mine told me when discussing mediocre to downright horrible music. He said we should treat musical and recording equipment like cars: you need a license before you can even touch a mic. 😆

[@thesaddestdude5309]

Elitista

[@search895]

Music in general doesn't actually requires huge amounts of skill. And I'm not referring just to raw punk or mumble autotune rap. The vast majority of musical genres worldwide and historically, with few exceptions like classical music and heavy metal, don't require but a cute bunch of skills to make it sound good and a modest formula to write songs. Yep.

[@thisisnoma]

@@search895 that’s true and I agree with the fact that music has been made by anyone with practically anything to this day, but I do also understand the sentiment my friend has. The bar for skill and dedication has been lowered WAY down, which means it’s more accessible, but more prone to really mediocre output being exposed to a large crowd of people. It is what it is.

[@thisisnoma]

@@thesaddestdude5309 No, no creo que sea elitista tener este punto de vista. Se puede apreciar varios generos de musica y tambien criticar las faltas y las fallas de ciertos artistas en sus contextos respectivos.

[@-snek.]

The only thing preventing this from being the single most bafflingly dumb thing said here is all the genAI shills infesting the comments section fighting for first place.

[@Rebelco]

2:30 this sounds like something from a 2000's anime edit, nightcore remix type sh*t

[@MeganShumway]

I love making music, recording/producing is my least favorite part but that's because I haven't developed that skill set as much as my writing. It's frustrating because I'm a perfectionist. Just because things are frustrating doesn't mean I don't enjoy the process of creation, and the idea of AI doing it for me makes me sad and uncomfortable. I barely trust other people working on my music with me, why the fuck would I trust a machine that doesn't have an emotional perspective to add. lmao These people who want to incorporate AI in their music are people who only care about profit and not the craft itself.

[@M.J44]

Multi-instrumentalist musician here. Making music is a lot of effort, sure. But it's done for the sake of expression, experience, emotion; You curate an experience based on your own experiences. Generating music has no real emotion. It's an approximation of existing material without any real direction. Any emotional expression present in the track only have surface-level depth; It's shallow. Compare that guy's NES-sounding track to Fast Turtle by Anamanaguchi. It's not even a contest! The human-made music, assuming it was made with actual artistic expression in mind, will ALWAYS blow the AI slop out of the water.

[@cory5495]

So if he thinks those people don't enjoy the time they spend making music, why is he trying to use AI to help those people make music they didn't enjoy making in the first place? You don't enjoy making music because it's easy or vice versa, you do it because you love making music.

[@btarczy5067]

The narrative that you’re using AI to „make“ music is so obnoxious. It was already made and the AI takes the data points to spit out an amalgamation of that pre-existing music. Especially for anyone valuing the meritocracy it shouldn’t be hard to see lazily produced slop for what it is, right?

[@Tigerz58_TV]

Can we please talk about the fit

[@jwal1992]

Deadass. I want that eye top.

[@TheArtistInTheDark]

👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️

[@severalwolves]

I remember spending 6-10 hours a day practicing guitar all through middle and high school, and so then when I was playing in bands in college and beyond, I could just rip and be pretty proficient. It was challenging and often frustrating, and I definitely sacrificed other things I could have been focusing on instead… but there wasn’t ever a single moment where I didn’t enjoy it, or would have rather been doing anything else. And I don’t regret any of it; all that work paid off a thousand-fold, with the amount of joy and meaning and connection I got from performing with and for others. Over the years, I’d bump into people - after shows or just out in whatever setting - who’d be like “I want to learn how to play guitar” or “I have a guitar but I need to pick it up again and get good at it.” I was always polite and encouraging, but I knew they wouldn’t ever do that. If it’s in you, you won’t just talk about doing it, you’ll just do it. I didn’t really have a choice myself; I’d just get home from school every day, pick up the guitar right away, and would be plucking away at it all night. Not everyone has that in them, and that’s fine… but to act like it’s a surmountable inconvenience to actually put in the work, an presuppose that NOBODY likes to do it, like the CEO guy suggests, is just offensive. Nah bro, you just weren’t cut out for it. Get a new hobby. Get a different passion, and stop ruining mine.

[@theesweatydrummer]

Even playing bad music is enjoyable as hell. I’ve been doing it for 30 years!!

[@ValexVenture]

I really hope we as analog artists can somehow get together to make sure there is some sort of giant disgusting stamp or watermark attached to all AI music (or a much better not stoner idea)

[@Brainplastics]

Imagine making music while also having nothing to say and no passion for the art itself. Kinda cringe ngl

[@Nedak2003]

Remember when we used to think sound cloud rappers were boring and copy paste trash?

[@channelone422]

AI output is corny as fuck. Its just "the next big thing" companies are chasing. Its like VR but with more applications. In any case, I see AI anything I know it's a waste of my time.

[@michelleporeh]

The best part about the process is solving the obstacles and the difficultly of getting into a flow, because making music magical. One time i got lazy and asked Chat GPT to elaborate on lyrics and went to bed feeling so much dissatisfaction with the process compared to discovering the art myself

[@FrederickYahahaha]

What did I do Anthony fantano the busiest music nerd

[@Bone_Incidents]

Idk but I also would like you to stop talking

[@FrederickYahahaha]

@Bone_Incidentswhat did I do Bone_Incidents

[@FreeContentLab]

Dude has a bunch of weird and pointless claims. Suno is very generic and shitty now, but I can imagine that if they incorporate mix customization options (ideally individual instrument tracks) and more features, it might make sense. People are disgusted with current AI music now, but they were also disgusted with the first MIDI/VSTs when they came into play and many claimed it wasn't real music. Today it's completely normalized.

[@TheMusicRoomWA]

The decision isnt "who gets to make music and who doesnt", the decision is "who wants to put in the effort to become a talented musician" and the decision is always the musician's. Btw some of my favorite musicians of all time arent what you'd think of as professional musicians but they're true artists and thats what counts. They're authentically human.

[@__414.88b_]

Epic outfit keep it on

[@trashmouth825]

I make music and the best part is creating the music itself. Exploring different processes and then conveying a story… except for vocals on a not so good microphone that can be annoying but then again, it feels great once it’s mixed!

[@d3nt391]

I'm curious your opinion on niche uses of AI that preserve creativity like timbre transfer- where the sound of one instrument is changed into another? Or if generated samples (from a model made ethically) are creatively warped and mixed into a track? I think artists should still embrace new technology as a tool, not leave the conversation unnuanced.

[@Friggy]

as a little artist myself this is fucking fantastic you made every single point I would've went for and yes, making the music is BY FAR the most important, fun, and rewarding thing

[@bobcooper82]

Nah

[@josh_wink]

I love how AI initially was "hey, let's enhance our computer personal assistants like Siri" and "Man, big data models are hard to process but this thing can do it in minutes" to "how can we squeeze more people out of a job?"

[@Oddly_Nuff]

That Black Flag sweater looks dope asf, is it selfmade? Or where could a person buy one? Edit: bruh... I'm high asf😑 just realized that are two different pieces of clothes and not a black flag sweater with eyes

[@trilobiteterror8015]

The only AI project I truly appreciate is Neural Viz. All the writing, dialogue/voice acting, performances, directing, and editing are done by a human. He basically writes and performs it all and then uses AI motion capture etc. to replace himself with a 'Gluron' in each scene. It's AI actually used as a creative tool (since the non-AI alternative would be movie budget level CGI).

[@kim-robinsylow3486]

AI is just a tool, it's the human input that makes it exploit creative industries. And takes away opportunities for people.