Plot Points that Ruined the Sequel Trilogy | Star Wars Video Essay

When JJ Abrams made The Force Awakens, he may have inadvertently ruined the Future of the entire Star Wars franchise. In this video analysis I will be looking in depth at character arcs and plot development across multiple scenes, and analyzing how the seemingly rash decisions JJ made will have lasting consequences across every subsequent story line told in future films.
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[@DarthdYT]

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[@LeAndre_McCoy]

Umm To your force powers point, that's not how growth works. In real life, our the series. Eventually, you'll plateau or stagnate. You cannot grow, infinitely. Because of that, Luke could never stay ahead of Kylo. Because of the reason Jedi weren't allowed to have children and the reason Luke(child of a force sensitive Jedi) is so strong, Kylo was always going to be stronger. He's the child, of the child, of A Force Sensitive, that was born from the force.

[@DarthdYT]

@@LeAndre_McCoy I'm not at all sure what you're trying to argue by saying the grandson would naturally be more powerful than any of his family line that came before. As to your first point, yes, that's exactly how *successful* growth works. Successful people who are growing a skill set do not plateau indefinitely, they push past and continue to grow. Now you have made me realize that at a certain very advanced level the growth curve quickly becomes very linear but I do think my initial point is valid considering the growth curve we saw both Anakin and Luke take in their respective trilogies.

[@anthonnygeoffrey7071]

I'd like to hear more, but I strongly suggest you fix your audio. It's so quiet that I have to turn the volume all the way up, and then when the add comes in it hurts my ears and I have to scramble for the volume controll to turn it down, and up again when the add is over. So annoying.

[@DarthdYT]

@@anthonnygeoffrey7071 yeah, on those older videos it's pretty bad, sorry. I made that video over a year ago though, quality has taken a decent leap since then, although I definitely still want better equipment. Thanks for pushing through to watch anyways!

[@DarthVaderReturns1]

@@DarthdYT to be honest with you i enjoy this video if you made the sequel trilogy i bet you would not break up the orginial cast my mom wanted to see episode 7 but she passed away in jan of 2014 i was picked on bashed on harrassed made fun of and bullied in high school for things i beileved and for the books i choose to read i was picked on in high school i was in ese classroom i was bullied and harrassed for being a fan of harry potter and star wars and star trek my moms favorite charecters were yoda c3po r2d2 and of course darth sidious and luke skywalker and darth vader/anakin skywalker sh even loved mace windu i have friends tell me your video on the sequel trilogy hit it had nailed spot on why it failed my older brother says rey has no charecter she never takes the heroes journey first she has nothing at the end she gets everything heres the biggest problem with the sequel trilogy as well why bury amnakin skywalkers lightsaber on tattonie he was a slave their he hated it his mother died in his arms there on that planet luke even hated it there to im sorry for ranting i enjoy your video i also hated how each movie destroys star wars lore the force and everything

[@applecrow8]

Maz is literally a rip-off of Yoda. Its not just her knowing about the force, but her mannerisms and movement as well. First thing she does is disarm them with humor then climb on top of something eccentrically.

[@DarthdYT]

That in itself isn't necessarily something to be upset about, nearly every character in a popular film is a "rip-off" of another character. There's hundreds of quirky old mentor characters in stories from a hundred years ago that would also remind you of Yoda. Her being reminiscent of Yoda would be acceptable....if she were just properly developed and had actual utility to the story. As it is, cut her out and little changes other than Finn would randomly find the saber on the ground after Rey panicked and dropped it.

[@treasurecave431]

@@DarthdYT what pisses me off the most is WHY they couldnt make new interesting characters instead of copy pasting old characters with slightly different skins.

[@DarthdYT]

@@treasurecave431 funny thing is I liked the design of her. If she'd have just been a quirky bar owner instead of a force sensitive she'd have been much more unique.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Yeah they should have Leia in Maz place keeping her father place and isn’t Maz supposed to be some pirate queen she shouldn’t pick a side.

[@misterwtf7380]

I've not thought this through, but I would have rather had Leia fill Maz's role, maybe having become disillusioned or drummed out of the old republic. Not saying she should run a CANTINA but she could have owned it or just retired there. It's just- the keeper of the sabre, seeing the potential in Rey, the antipathy towards Han- all would have fitted. I know it's not perfect it's just that Maz had so much power in the story to characters we'd known forever while she was brand new

[@TheLIStorm43]

Finally someone realizes JJ was the real problem

[@DarthdYT]

It's amazing how many specific storyline issues I found once I started looking. And I did another entire video on just the basic overview of how JJ set terrible precedent for the ST.

[@129das]

But you are wrong all of this was the Lucas film writing team. Ruin Johnson had full control JJ was nothing but a yes man, and had direction of the action.

[@Ludwig1970]

I’ve been saying this since The Force Awakens.

[@chrisbano9216]

Biggest mistake of Not following George Lucas script outline for episode 7,8,9, Lucas should have chosen 3 new different directors, Kennedy is the other problem, that’s why the sequels BOMBED!

[@spearfisherman308]

@@DarthdYT in just tried to appeal to the people who hated the prequels and wanted their nostalgia glasses filled at least Rian tried something new.

[@kimberlyupton8143]

The people who made this trilogy simply didn't CARE. It's like they were thinking of other future projects and were just going through the motions to get this knocked off their "to do" list.

[@DarthdYT]

It is odd how little it seems thought out, considering they were building the foundation for a multi year franchise.

[@Moutopher]

Ruin Johnson intended to ruin the franchise. It's his artistic troll like nature as a director.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Very well said

[@DouglasLippi]

Perhaps, but the condensed schedule came from the execs. Lucas took 3 years per movie and even more just writing and planning.

[@aBerlin1945]

They did care! They cared very much about destroying everything you love about the franchise.

[@iconpoet]

In the OT: Leia saved their asses in the Death Star detention center, she was the only one who recognized that they were let go. She saved Luke on Bespin. She killed Jabba and she saved the battle of Endor. What did she do in the Sequel trilogy? They TOTALLY ruined Leia.

[@DarthdYT]

Agreed. Even R2 was ruined. Almost every film has him going out "into battle", doing on missions to help the cause. But he felt totally sidelined in the ST.

[@raiderlove5923]

You're so right in talking about Kylo's power levels not really adding up, especially in the first sequel movie The Force Awakens.

[@DarthdYT]

Visually I really loved his "freeze" trick, but it really just introduced too many potential issues.

[@taylormurphy2840]

In a good film with a competent director, there are no mistakes - every detail has a purpose. Cut to 2019 where they can't even come up with a logical storyline, and the details are either wrong or irrelevant

[@DarthdYT]

Sadly it's not just just happening with Star Wars films either. They're churning out flashy films with little true substance. The industry needs to up its standards, the best quality films these days seem to be exclusives from Netflix/Hulu/Amazon.

[@markcobuzzi826]

Depending on how detailed one’s analysis is, it is almost inevitable that minor errors of some kind will occur on the set design, timeline continuity, etc. Even Citizen Kane and various films by Stanley Kubrick (who was infamous for being an obsessive perfectionist) have a couple of goofs if one looks hard enough, such as Charles Foster Kane supposedly saying “Rosebud” and dying without anyone else being visible in the room or “The Shining” having minor continuity errors that some have even overanalyzed as extra “symbolism“. Nonetheless, as far as basic plot points and character progression go, each detail should be given some thought, as the common strategy of “Chekhov’s Gun” calls for. As a hobby, I myself have made fan outlines for my own hypothetical movies. Even I quickly got a taste for what is like, to be able to see all of one’s plot points, visual details, and character ideas mapped out to easily see how they do or do not fit together. In some ways, a filmmaker should know more about their own story than the audience, and if the audience can pick out details that go nowhere or have the easy potential for more fleshing out, then it means he/she could probably spend more time on the revisions and peer feedback stage of writing.

[@DarthdYT]

@p everyday good point, I never considered that streaming services need to have higher quality films, whereas Hollywood doesn't really have true competition.

[@mechanomics2649]

This just isn't true. Every film has mistakes. No direct or crew is perfect. It's okay that there are mistakes, sometimes they become part of the charm.

[@Schimml0rd]

@@DarthdYT it's almost as if Hollywood would be busy with grooming children all day

[@ShamanMcLamie]

Something a lot of people don't know about TFA is how rushed the script was. From what was reported Michael Arndt who had primary script writing duties struggled to write a script and even suggested the movie be delayed to 2016 so he could have more time to write it and Disney shot the idea down. So J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan had to pretty much right the whole thing from scratch with less than six months to principle photography and they were still writing it well into photography. After watching TFA I felt like the script was very under cooked and when I remembered the script writing issues I realized there was a very good chance it was working off a first draft. In a couple months of thinking about the film I figured out ways to write most if not all the plot holes and contrivances. A good number of them in the third act are solved by R2. R2 can get schematics of the base allowing a heroes to know how to destroy it. He can shutdown the shields. He can free Rey. He can also find the Starkiller map instead of just having it. Seriously Kylo mentions they have the other half of the map a Chekov's gun moment making you think our heroes will find it and instead it gets forgotten and all of a sudden R2 turns back on and guess what he had it with no one knowing. I could go on and on. While nothing short of a total rewrite and change in story direction solves all of it's problems, particularly it's disjointed nature with the rest of the saga, a month, or two of polish could have made the movie internally far better put together. Also something I've seen J.J. do in each movie he directed is he does something to trigger nostalgia for a prior moment in the Original Trilogy forgetting that the context of those scenes is what makes them impactful which his copies will have non of. It's why we're back to Empire and Rebels. He's trying to relive the OT, but unwittingly undoes it. The same could be said of Han's regression as a character. His Star Wars movies are a series of nostalgia driven moments only held together by an incohesive plot. J.J. also seems to do things simply because they seem cool, or interesting. Finn was originally going to be a Bounty Hunter and he would make so much more sense as a character if that was the case, but J.J. thought it would be an interesting idea if he was a defecting Storm Trooper. The problem is that idea is only interesting if you put in the story development and legwork to do so and J.J. fails to do any of that.

[@DarthdYT]

Dang it, I now remember hearing the script was a mess to begin with, that was important to include. I could have highlighted how important the pre-vis process is to making sure your story flows properly, using all the examples I gave as support of that theory. 20/20 hindsight I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@hiranmaydas4921]

Also they shouldn't have fired Colin Trevorrow. His version of the Sequels would have tied all the three Trilogies together. According to his script, Finn was supposed to play a major role. He was supposed to put together a crew and then discover an old, secret, defunct Seperatist/Trade Federation Droid factory. Finn was supposed to reactivate the production line, all the battle droids, the droid gunships, Vulture Droids, Droid Starfighters, etc. and then use the droid army as a backup force to fight against the First Order in Ep9. That's why a lot of new characters like Zori Bliss, Janah, etc. were introduced haphazardly in the Ep9 that we got.

[@129das]

While that May be true, They told JJ and Lawrence what story they wanted him to create.

[@filipzietek5146]

I don't like how fetishized lightsabers have become. They are objects, tools and jedi are not materialistic but fans on the other hand are. Thats why we get Anakin's lightsaber suddenly becoming some important magical artifact (to milk the fans basicly) and on the fan side of things we get outrage when Luke throws the saber without giving it the same respect fans do.

[@DarthdYT]

I definitely agree, it was jarring to have the saber go from sacred artifact to tossed away trash. However I would say that historically lightsabers have always been extremely important. They were our first glimpse of the Jedi order in ep4, they talked about them in each film, Obi-Wan even said "this weapon is your life". I actually have the $150 replica of Maul's saber on my desk, the saber fighting in TPM is actually what made me become a fan.

[@pfeilspitze]

Look at how Kenobi handles passing it on to Luke, though. Remember that Lucas was basically copying Jedi from Kurosawa's samurai -- they'd never treat a sword like Rian does in TLJ.

[@mborok]

@@pfeilspitze In chivalrous romances (I think) and Lord of the Rings swords had names and histories behind them. Jedi craft their own lightsabers. But it’s still a bit silly that fans get all excited about “swords in space - but it’s okay, they’re like laser swords or something futuristic like that.” If we all hadn’t been introduced to them when we were young and impressionable they would not be as venerated.

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

A Samurai would never throw away his Katana...but hey, we're on Earth so who cares

[@filipzietek5146]

@@DarthdYT They are weapons of the jedi, it's their life because they are warrior monks and their lives depend on them. The saber normally were not inhirited, collecting sabers was something bad guys did not the jedi. Jedi were supposed to have no atachment to people so having atachment to objects would make even less sense.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

I honestly thought Captain Phasma (until the trash compactor line) was sympathetic to either the Resistence or just to Finn. I thought she was deliberately covering for Finn during his panic attack in the first scene, and when she lowered the shields to Starkiller Base, I thought she'd turn around and reveal how she'd been working against the First Order from the inside the whole time.

[@DarthdYT]

Wow..that would have been some JJ Abrams subversion I actually could have appreciated. Although I think she's supposed to be a super hard core warrior so she'd probably identify more with the First Order.

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

Wow, I think that's a thought-provoking perspective. Yeah, that does make more sense of Phasma's actions and the plot could have gone in that direction.

[@DarthdYT]

@@HufflepuffDaddy although it probably doesn't make as much sense to have a betrayal like that in the first film when practically nothing is known about her character. Maybe if they'd released her character in a show before ep7 we could have seen she doesn't really believe in the FO...but as it stands her betrayal makes about as much sense as Hux's.

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

@@DarthdYT true, the betrayal by Phasma would be akin to Hux's "I'm the Spy!" declaration that seemed way too contrived and almost comedic. It would also involve an entire plot line and make Phasma equivalent to a major character in a trilogy already with one too many to develop properly. Finn's defection is already undeveloped as is...so imo Phasma's defection would complicate matters moreso. Another solution -- I've always felt that Phasma should've been the "TR-8R" force-baton wielding stormtrooper that fought Finn outside Maz's cantina instead of another trooper with a fancy weapon. It would set up Phasma as the FO's designated traitor-hunter and made their final fight on Supremacy more spectacular. Finns's fear of the First Order may be tied to his knowledge that they actively hunt down traitors and Phasma is their "Terminator" hunting Finn...maybe all the way to the 3rd film and a spectacular final (3rd) battle. Also, Phasma as Kylo's personal bodyguard would have both of them meeting and fighting a Rey/Finn pairing. Kylo being forced to work with Phasma because Snoke doesn't trust him yet (fear of treason) would be a nice addition to the saga and I can see a Phasma vs Knights of Ren conflict (melee vs melee) or internal bickering happening because Kylo resents Phasma's looking over his shoulder. We could see Kylo's obession over Rey while Phasma has a similar motivation towards Finn. However this would add more plots and complicate matters if not pulled off well. Overall, Phasma as a secret good guy (fellow traitor) would work and I agree it would need it's own show because it adds layers of character development...but her as a ramped-up bad-ass villain (Finn's never-stopping nemesis) would work just as well with a changed scene (TR-8R) adding to her danger level. However what we saw of Phasma's character as a villain is...well...thrown into a trash compactor and rendered disposable.

[@DarthdYT]

@@HufflepuffDaddy my favorite idea her is something I covered in my essay on Finn, but basically with her special armor she's a perfect character to be training Force sensitive Troopers and she should have been Finn's lightsaber instructor alongside Kylo.

[@suntzugames]

When you realize more thought went into this critique of the trilogy than the trilogy itself. Can you imagine working for Lucasfilm and every day is like... "Sooo, we have these plot holes to fix today. Try to come up with a computer game, comic or some wiki edits that can cover this up."

[@DarthdYT]

Lol thanks! And honestly I'd be shocked if the majority of the people in charge ever seriously took an in-depth look at how many mistakes they made.

[@nopatiencejoe6376]

They were more preocupied overworking the pratical effects and the vfx teams plus trying to make marketable toys. That's the sole reason for the red arm of c3p0.

[@scottbrown4361]

The true legacy of the movie

[@rickblaine9670]

So true, everything. I am so pissed off by the Force having basically become Professor X’s mutant power in the Sequels. The Emperor corrupted Ben Solo simply by talking into his head from afar for years, with NO ONE, not even the Force sensitive mother and uncle of the kid, noticing. All while being reduced to an undead zombie with limited powers. Which begs the question: why did Sidious even bother to disguise himself as Palpatine at the time of the Prequels, back when he was fully alive and at full power? According to the Sequels logic, he could’ve twisted the Republic into the Empire, destroyed the Jedi and created Darth Vader while never having to move from his secret Sith lair. P.S. I can justify the Rey vs Kylo final fight in TFA though: we’ve seen many times in the past that Force users can’t just incapacitate each other with Force “tricks” (Rey’s Force sensitivity was still inactive on Takodana, but fully active on Starkiller Base). That’s why Darth Vader, for instance, couldn’t just Force choke Luke into submission on Cloud City.

[@DarthdYT]

Yeah you listed one of my biggest problems as well, the fact that no one sensed Snoke turning Ben, which had to have taken years. And good point about the Prequels, which raises the same point about Snoke: what was the point? If he was strong enough to control Snoke from across the galaxy he would have been even stronger in person.

[@fundhund62]

I remember a video from the time before TFA came out in which George Lucas voiced his concern that the Force might be "turned into a bunch of gobbledygook", and sadly, that´s exactly what happened. I never got the impression that the writers of the new movies were actually able to make use of the Force. Instead, they changed it into a superpower, which lets you perform all kinds of miracles. I mean, "force healing" alone completely unhinges the whole story of episodes 1-6. If only Rey (or Grogu!) would have been there when Qui-Gon Jinn died. Or when Anakin´s mother was about to die!

[@DarthdYT]

Exactly! From the beginning they needed a concrete, defined set of rules and descriptions regarding the Force, what it is and how it can be used. Without these rules, each writer for the next hundred years will do whatever they feel like since they have no guidelines for maybe the most important continuous plot point.

[@planetxaudio1699]

The one wierd thing I've never seen anyone talk about in TFA is why Luke has a full metallic prostetic when he had a fake one that looked human (and could feel like a normal hand) in ESB and ROTJ

[@DarthdYT]

My assumption was that he had been on the harsh island so long the fake skin had all worn off, or maybe burned off in the fire at the temple. Little things like that I didn't cover because they didn't really have larger story implications. It'd be neat to do an entire video looking at little unexplained details like that.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@DarthdYT then why not glove cover it like he did in ROJ. The metal hand made no sense

[@DarthdYT]

@@paulrasmussen8953 not defending the decision, just trying to logically come up with a reason but... Marooned on an island he probably couldn't make another glove (although the fish nuns make clothes somehow but 🤷‍♂️)

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@DarthdYT but you see it in the flashback vision so no just dumb jj

[@DarthdYT]

@@paulrasmussen8953 actually yeah, my bad. I totally forgot he was already missing the glove in all the flashbacks 🤦

[@S2GUnit]

Please continue! This series covers even more things than I realized. I always said JJ deserves a ton of critisicm for starting the ST the way he did.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks, glad you're enjoying it! I might one day do a part 3 to this, I've got the material, but I feel I extensively covered TFA's flaws enough at this point. And there's some other big issues with the ST I feel the need to cover next...

[@josephtremel5392]

They wanted to tear down the old heroes so they could make the new characters more popular. It didn’t work.

[@DarthdYT]

The interesting thing is, the writers blatantly said the reason Luke wasn't in the script more was because everything they wrote he ended up completely stealing the spotlight. That's just bad writing.

[@CruelestChris]

It's a good thing there isn't a film called, say, Return of the Jedi, where needing to get through a shield defines the entire second half of the movie, or it might look like JJ didn't do his homework. (The heroic writers who created extended source material BS'd that Starkiller has special shields, that seems their favourite excuse when the sequels mess with canon) Also, the Holdo manoeuvre being one in a million...does that mean Holdo was trying to desert and actually _was_ a traitor, given the 999,999 chances she would get away clean?

[@DarthdYT]

lol, great point about the shields I wish I'd thought to include. Of course I'm sure there's pages of material I never considered that should have been involved if I'd comminity-sourced this thing.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

A lot of people say Rian Johnson "had" to make Luke cut himself off from the Force because otherwise he would've sensed Han. But that's simply untrue. If you are a writer, you can justify almost anything if you give a reasonable enough explanation. Frankly, even before going into the Last Jedi, I was anticipating that Luke was either (a) trapped on the planet and waiting for someone to rescue him or (b) waiting for a worthy student to find him so he could train them to help battle Kylo and Snoke. Luke cutting himself off was not the logical option, nor was intuitive, nor it the only option. That's one the reason why so many people were taken aback by this creative choice, because it was not obvious and Rain knew it. Cutting Luke off simply fit Rian's trend of of subverting expectations and making Luke a deadbeat, both necessary to fit into his already finished plan for the Last Jedi. The problem with Rian was that he didn't make a story that fit into the larger Star Wars universe and saga. Instead, he deliberately broke the universe to fit his singleminded vision for episode 8 with no thought as to how his film would impact the stories and character arcs of the previous films let alone how it was going to lead into Episode 9.

[@DarthdYT]

I might use this comment as the basis for a script, you stated the same issue I've said many times but I've never explored in a video WHY Rian felt he had to make Luke disconnect (because like you said, it wasn't a plot based decision).

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@DarthdYT By all means go right ahead. If there's one thing I like about the sequels it's that there's an infinity of thing wrong with them. There is so much to learn by examining all the different ways the sequel writers dropped the ball, it's like a masterclass is failure.

[@DarthdYT]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi agreed. Somehow both interesting to study yet depressing to watch.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I was assuming that as well when I first watched TLJ. Maybe through a Storm or some kind of other accident Luke got stranded on the Planet. The X-Wing in the ocean seemed to confirm that: Luke crashed, and because he didn't have the necessary tools, he couldn't repair the ship, so he was forced to live on this Island. It was the most logical way to explain why he didn't go and help his Sister or tried to fight Snoke. But no, Rian had to go with "he closed himself off from the Force". Also, doesn't an X-Wing usually require an Astromech Droid to calculate the course for a Hyperspace Jump? I vaguely remember something like that, and neither Luke nor Rey had one.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@johannesseyfried7933 As I recall, he did have R2 plot the course to Dagobah. It's actually weird that Din' Naboo fighter doesn't need an astromech. Maybe nav computers in those fighters got better or something after Return

[@youwayo]

So why did George get so much flack for “overusing” cgi in the PT but JJ gets a free pass?

[@DarthdYT]

Interesting question. I'd guess there are multiple reasons, probably the biggest being that audiences in 2019 fully expect a huge portion of the film to be CGI, whereas back in 1999 Lucas was trying to pioneer the use of extensive CGI. In fact, the Gungan battle may have been the first extensive CGI battle ever made, so it's not at all surprising that there would be some backlash over him basically redefining the industry and the franchise in an abrupt way that fans weren't prepared for. It also didn't help that the dialogue and some plot points weren't at all up to par with the OT, inviting further criticism of the new film techniques.

[@youwayo]

Darth'd I think you meant 2015, not 2019. First of all, before The Force Awakens JJ Abrams kept talking about how they will go back to using practical effects and real sets, second of all, the practical effects was sometimes considered a highlight of TFA.

[@DarthdYT]

@@youwayo yeah, sorry, 2015. But I was just theorizing on why the PT was hated on for its effects, for the most part yeah, with TFA JJ used a ton more practical sets than the PT did.

[@markcobuzzi826]

I think it is also the simple fact that the capabilities of CGI at the time of Phantom Menace were still in their infancy compared to the 2010s. As a result, the limitations in the CGI can be a lot more noticeable in the Star Wars prequels compared to modern films, when it gets overused in lieu of traditional practical effects and on-location shooting. For instance, the droid battles against the Gungans and inside Naboo have moments resembling a PS1/PS2 cutscene, which can be distracting for some. Speaking of Disney, I remember hearing that 3D computer graphics were already around in the 80’s and Disney even used some for scenes like the clocktower climax of “The Great Mouse Detective”. However, it was not until many years later that Disney/Pixar would even attempt a film where 3D computer animation carries the main narrative. “Toy Story“ was revolutionary for the time, but it too shows it age compared to modern films’ animation and mainly got away with its limitations, because the story was still great and the characters were literally toys (allowing the plastic-like appearance of the primitive 3D models to nicely fit the visual style, rather than being an obstacle, which I thought was a smart move).

[@DarthdYT]

@@markcobuzzi826 good points Mark. And as I pointed out up above, I *think* that the Droid vs Gungans battle may have been one of the first full CGI scenes ever. As you said, it looks terrible now and just moderately good back then but in addition to the aestetics not being perfected yet I'm sure there were many people balking at a new trend in filmmaking.

[@monstermikeheinrichs]

That point about Leia after Han's death, I must have watched TFA twenty times and I never noticed that those people all turned to look at her. So TFA says that she's not Force sensitive, and then TLJ says that "she's Mary Poppins y'all!". Things like this are why you don't have different people working on each film in a trilogy.

[@DarthdYT]

Yeah, I honestly never noticed it either until I was breaking apart each scene for this video. Although her terrible decision resulting in Han's death was the saddest thing I realized they did.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

And if Liea was a Jedi all along, then why wad it so nessecary for Rey to find Luke? LEIA WAS RIGHT THERE, SHE WAS ALL THE JEDI THEY NEEDED! Luke never even really helped the Resistance and Liea ended up training Rey anyway, making finding Luke doubley pointless.

[@BradleyGearhart]

This is a masterpiece! I can only imagine how long this took to make.

[@DarthdYT]

Wow, thanks so much! It was easily a couple hundred hours from idea to finished product for parts 1&2.

[@evion223]

Well its like the force .. I felt it ..my father felt it..my sister felt it.. i think you felt all of this being true too lol 🤭

[@fantasywind3923]

Yeah! Seriously this video is amazing, a great in depth, well thought out analysis of the core of the issue with the Disney sequels. How is this video not given thousands upon thousands of likes? :) I guess it's because it's less known channel but definitely work put into making this is amazing! I definitely agree with all the points brought up I had same thoughts as well since all the sequel trilogy started.

[@BRONZALiVE]

Lucasfilm shouldve made a sequel trilogy with the old characters passing the touch slowly and introducing new villains and have Luke pass on his jedi order and have Leia struggle to build the new republic and have their children in the fold, then you can have another trilogy with just the new characters, see if they did this they would make the fans happy and make a tone of money

[@DarthdYT]

Completely agree! No clue why they were so obsessed with inventing new characters...

[@septiflops5486]

Well done! You made so many great points! Especially points about the force and how Rey used it and avoided using it. The force would be part of her, it would be like being born blind or deaf, she would have just adapted and done things differently her entire life. How does a blind person navigate their surroundings without sight, if you ask them they aren't creeped out or amazed by it, we are but they aren't. The only reason they would know anything different is if someone with a different frame of reference tells them about something different. For Rey growing up around aliens in relative isolation, it would be hard to imagine anyone would have a serious sit down conversation with her about things they would barely notice, unless they where intimately embedded in her life. The saber calling to Rey could be explained by the kyber crystal calling to her like it does to younglings when they go searching for a crystal. That relationship between crystal and force user is fairly well established and was explained pretty well in Rebels. SO it cOuLd be the reason, but it was never a loud clear voice or noise and didn't trigger visions. It was something that was hard for them to even tune into and took many hours sometimes days of searching. Another reason could be Snoke was poking around in her mind making her hallucinate in an effort to get her to retrieve the saber for him. But again that is all fan speculation and never dealt with in the movie. If it didn't happen in the movie, it wasn't properly dealt with. If fans have to tie up their loose ends and spend their days filling in plot holes, they dropped the ball. Anyway, thanks for the well thought out deep dive, that was great!

[@DarthdYT]

Thank you for watching, I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

[@extratao50]

Yeah and the arc on clone wars too explains how kyber crystrals calls to the force sensitives

[@LoneSilverW0lf]

So sad that we have better put together fanfiction than multi million dollar movies.

[@mushrifahmed8107]

I wish I could give an extra like for that Luke force power display edit! Really impressive stuff and I imagine it must been super time consuming.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks! Yeah, that sequence was actually one of the first videos I uploaded on this channel, and it was pertinent so I decided to include it in this video as well. I was going to do a whole series of videos like that, one of which was Luke raising his sunken Xwing so he could actually fly to Crait to fight. Funny JJ did the same thing in 9..

[@TheHate222]

In the RPG game for Star Wars you have to make constant rolls when handling a lightsaber because of how easily you could kill yourself. Fin takes one to the back and Kylo to the face but both are fine by the next movie.

[@DarthdYT]

I can't remember who did it, but look up the video "Disney doesn't understand lightsabers", it's like they changed the entire concept of how they function. Wish I'd thought to add more about that in...

[@S2GUnit]

I think it JJ's fault. It seems the way TFA was written was practically backwards. It seems like JJ imagined a scene that looks "cool" & then wrote before & after around it. Nothing makes sense, almost every major scene is nonsensical or a just constant coincidence. Within Star Wars, they dont make sense or hold any weight. He redid ANH scenes but without the meaning behind them.

[@DarthdYT]

@@S2GUnit it's interesting, that's also exactly how Rian directed TLJ. If you watch any behind the scenes stuff, you'll see he had a visual in mind (bombing a flat surface with slow moving bombers) and then told the crew to build him props around that image (why the dreadnought is so long and flat).

[@jaieregilmore971]

Plus their was no decapitation with lightsabers hell when Kylo fight one of those red guards in the last Jedi they block his lightsaber with their arms and not instant be slice off. Also it seems to me during the fights the lightsabers are heavy to the characters or actors hell even the fans videos lightsabers fight are better than this trilogy.

[@wannabehistorian371]

@@DarthdYT You mean RobotHead’s video?

[@UniverseofDominion]

How does this vídeo have so few views. 18 minutes in and you’ve already demolished Abrams’ writing.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks Jordan 🙂 Yeah, it's views are very disappointing considering all the work I put in, but it's been getting some attention lately which I'm thankful for. Although my recent videos on Rey and Finn are at such a higher production quality looking back at this one is interesting.

[@sars910]

You wanna know something kinda interesting ? Some asshole spoiled the "Kylo Ren is Han and Leia's son" plot point for me and before watching TFA, I had imagined this reveal to be exactly how you envisioned it. Instead we get told by Snoke that Kylo Ren is Han's son. It immediately devalued the weight of this plot point.

[@DarthdYT]

yeah, that writing decision doesn't get the criticism it deserves. In fact the entire plot of them being related barely carried any weight at all imo.

[@MiguelCruz-oz7km]

That scene where the gang is walking to Maz Kanata...its incredibly obvious that the dialogue was inserted during an ADR session. It's to paper over a critical plot problem. Based on what came before there's zero reason for them to be going there. It's not the logical next step from a previously established problem the characters have to solve. So a bunch of exposition is inserted to give a reason why they're even going here. This technique is more obvious and pervasive in Rise of Skywalker and it gives both movies the same effect of lurching from plot point to plot point with no logical connection between them.

[@DarthdYT]

Wow... I'm both embarrassed and sad to have not realized that myself. Of course that was ADR added in when audiences realized no one knew why they were on that planet... that just never clicked for me. Thanks for pointing that out 👍

[@18661873]

The dream is over. Thanks Disney. I hope it was worth it.

[@DarthdYT]

We lost out on some great stories of Luke and the gang, but who knows about the future. SW is a huge universe, I'm crossing my fingers the next story could be amazing.

[@OnlyOneKenobi]

VII - JJ started up a brand new car! VIII - Rian took it on a joyride down a dead end. IX - was the aftermath wreckage. I have spoken.

[@DarthdYT]

I'd change the first one to read "JJ repainted an old classic car and added some new flashy gadgets that got people all excited".

[@OnlyOneKenobi]

@@DarthdYT haha right on! 😂😉 that fits much better! Ha 😉👌🏼

[@stitchedbyiron]

0:01 disclaimer 0:11 opening discussion 0:40 number 1: the force is redefined, too drastically and too quickly 6:45 number 2: the force is used as a plot device and doesn't make sense 16:47 number 3: JJ Abrams ruined every previous legacy and accomplishment 19:48 number 4: JJ ruined the sequels when he broke up the band 23:59 number 5: JJ decided to re-define lightspeed 28:31 number 6: JJ redefines old age 30:59 number 7: the entire end goal of the story wasn't satisfying 37:00 number 8: JJ allowed Rian to change his story 39:08 number 9: JJ made awesome new characters irrelevant plot devices 47:22 number 10: JJ ruined amazing characters by giving them inconsistent character arcs 55:37 Rian didn't ruin everything, JJ did 56:48 JJ Abrams' talent 58:10 a lack of vision 58:55 but wait there's more 1:10:00 ending sentence 1:11:05 thanks for watching

[@applecrow8]

Don't forget that also exiting Hyperspace into an atmosphere would be just as bad as slamming into a solid object.

[@DarthdYT]

I could be OK with them getting around that fact by simply diverting all power to the forward deflector shields. Especially if they still had a huge impact and took damage, sparks flying everywhere and stuff breaking.

[@S2GUnit]

Why the hell was Han able to crash land on a planet at lightspeed? Even if he had the force it's so stupid. Crash landed, within walking distance on a PLANET, close to a door to the base with minimal security, where Phasma, Rey & Kylo happened to all be. Now R1 had tons & tons of troopers guarding the base, it made sense. Ton's of tie's to defend Scariff. TFA? Barely any troopers or fighters.

[@DarthdYT]

@@S2GUnit great comparison, I'd never made that connection before. One could argue the FO didn't have that large of an army.... Until Rian gave them a dozen destroyers, making the lack of defense of SKbase look like an intentional oversight.

[@S2GUnit]

@@DarthdYT We could go on & on (I hope you continue the series) but here's another stupid thing, that was made far worse because of how much I loved Rogue One. We see Vader destroying the rebels like a horror movie monster. Then we go to TFA, where a darkside possessed being, stops a blaster in mid air. Then orders the massacre of a village. A few seconds later, Poe makes a stupid fucking Disney sitcom joke to Kylo's face. Poe knows about the darkside, he would have heard a lot through the "good guys" & his leader f'ing Leia. Poe should be terrified but no he's not, he's just a shitty gun slinger "good guy' who JJ wanted us to like. Then we have finn acting like Kevin Hart & Chris Tucker from all my favorite black movies. Clearly Boyega wanted to act them out so badly lol. It's all a mess. "Do you have a bOyfriend? A cute boyfriend?"

[@DarthdYT]

@@S2GUnit it's funny, I keep wanting to defend Poe, because he sounds a lot like a young Han, mouthing off to the bad guys. But thinking back, Han tended to keep his dry humor in check a lot of the time, especially around authority.

[@fredraputznik2313]

Great point about "not worth the wait"! You have articulated something that has been bugging me for years! Great job on the motion graphics at the end too; I know that takes time!

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks! Yeah, that scene of Rey meeting Luke was one of the first videos I made. I was gonna do a whole series like that but it never seemed to catch on 🤷‍♂️

[@schwarzerritter5724]

A little addendum about Dragon Ball. Vegeta is not shocked, because a power level of "over ninethousand!" is exceptionally high, but because, as far as Vegeta knew, Son Goku was so weak, he was borderline disabled. Someone who barely qualified as cannon fodder defeating an elite warrior went against everything Vegeta thought was possible. Of course you are right that power levels got ridiculous, that is why they got dropped after the Frieza saga.

[@DarthdYT]

Interesting point I didn't know, thanks!

[@randomcat9975]

Phasma's message was... comedic gold. (53:58) I mean, if they wanted to do comedy right, it would have been AMAZING for everyone to get distracted, then for alarms to start sounding... only for them to look at the screen and see what Phasma typed, curse, and lunge, only for Phasma to intercept them and... well, continue with what Darth'd said, except while she's grappling with Chewie, a door opens to reinforcements? Phasma might leap out and grab Han and take him hostage. And then... well, I don't really know. I'm just saying, usually it's the villains that get caught off-guard when they're busy monologuing. I'd really enjoy seeing a similar thing happen to heroes, but maybe while they're busy quipping? Idk, I think it'd be funny. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Heroes: Haha, guess you shouldn't get caught monologuing! vs Villains: Oh, please, by all means continue your puerile banter.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks! I got a kick out of writing that 😅 And I agree, turning the tables like that could have been amazing.

[@marshallscot]

To make up for the travesty of the Force Awakens, Rey would have had to find Luke with a full fledged Jedi academy with masters, knights, and padawans. It just makes no sense that Luke would run away to just sit on an island. If Luke lost his first group of new Jedi, which is a stupid decision to begin with, then the next thing he should have been doing is finding Jedi who went into hiding and training a new generation of padawans.

[@Dragonten312]

This channel has the energy of one with 500k subs

[@DarthdYT]

That's hilarious when I'm sitting here drained after work wishing I had the energy to work on a video. 😅😴 Thanks though, fingers crossed I'll get there one day...

[@MoviesRemastered]

I never get bored of watch video essays that actually use facts over opinions. Nice content. 👍🏼

[@DarthdYT]

Comments like this are what have kept me motivated through 3 years of slow growth ❤ Thanks!

[@MoviesRemastered]

@@DarthdYT I feel that. Too many people are quick to criticise and take for granted good work. Keep it up. They're great.

[@RA-VEN8]

Congratulations J.J... You single handedly ruined Both Star Wars & Star Trek.

[@DarthdYT]

It still blows my mind that one guy got to reboot two of the biggest scifi franchises of all time. Especially so after so many fans disliked his Trek reboot.

[@RA-VEN8]

@@DarthdYT I was that guy in 09 thinking cool Star Trek is back, then Into Darkness happened I saw it in 3D 1st time seeing A Star Trek movie at the theaters was not impressed. Then saw Force Awakens in theaters 1st time seeing A Star Wars movie on the big screen.. Let's just say those are both my favorite franchise's but those experiences made me appreciate everything made before these reboot bs plot movies & or shows. Btw I just subscribed!

[@DarthdYT]

@@RA-VEN8 sweet, thanks for the sub! And I was a good bit slower, I didn't realize how poor both the Trek and SW reboots were for quite a while. I guess I used to fit within the "I was entertained, that's all I needed" section of the population. Even with TLJ I was enthralled with it before I put any deeper thought into it. Not sure if I'm now a more aware consumer or just a sadder one.

[@RA-VEN8]

@@DarthdYT It's all good my friend.

[@picard-xw3km]

What I don't understand is how JJ Abrams always seems to get away with it. Even SW fans gushed over TFA, despite it being derivative and it trashing SW lore.

[@pfeilspitze]

I disagree that the master's power would grow by the same multiple as the learner's. Especially early, the learner will clearly grow much a much larger fraction than that of their master -- someone who knows almost nothing can trivially double in a year, without the master changing at all. So it certainly makes sense that Luke should be much more powerful than Kylo in ep7, but Kylo should catch up somewhat given time -- Luke would likely still be ahead, but by a smaller fraction.

[@DarthdYT]

Very fair point, you're absolutely right 👍

[@zawa322]

Leia would've been a veteran, battle-hardened general. Gawd, the entire sequel "trilogy" was so disappointing.

[@DarthdYT]

Yeah 😔 Fortunately the franchise seems to have some good content being produced now, fingers crossed they put as much effort into the next trilogy.

[@tyron302]

Actually, if you consider Knights of the Old Republic as part of the Star Wars universe, being born with an affinity to a specific advanced force power is a possibility. Bastila Shan was born with the ability to use Battle Meditation

[@DarthdYT]

I go back and forth on this idea. I used to like the idea that some force users could do certain things that others couldn't, but the initial premise was that any force sensitive being could do anything if they trained hard enough. That's why your midichlorian count or being born not able to use a certain power, or how quickly Rey learns is so offputting to many people, it changes the message of the story from "you can do anything if you work hard enough for many years" to "if you're born lucky, you can do this without any hard work".

[@isakaldazwulfazizsunus7564]

Midi-chlorian don't really make things easier, it's a measure of potential. Anakin got cocky because he had potential, not because everything comes easy to him.

[@extratao50]

@@isakaldazwulfazizsunus7564 this

[@Batman_83]

It's canon that Rey has a power unique to only her. She absorbs powers of force users by touching them. No other force user has this ability. This ability explains how she learns so much do fast and how she becomes so powerful. She absorbs the latent power from Finn, the powers from Kylo, Leia and Luke(possibly Snoke?) and any other force user she came in contact with.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@Batman_83 Even if that's true, they never explained it in the movies themselves. Like there needs to be some explanation as to why she has this supposed power. And if it was explained in expanded materials then that's not good enough, it needs to be explained in the movies themselves because most people won't read the extra martial and therefore be confused. And even if that is the canon explanation, it still makes for a lousy story. Because now you have a character who never needs to word to get her power, all you've got a Mary Sue who the plot bends to and that is exactly what we got with Rey.

[@corbin7020]

you need more subs. I can tell how much work you put into this. so good.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks Corbin! My newer stuff is a much bigger step up in quality too, audio was pretty bad back when I made this 😏

[@XellDincht]

34:00 that scene was pretty cool

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks! I worked really hard on it, several straight weeks of work. Mostly because I don't know what I'm doing but still...

[@cellytron]

Another great video. The thing with JJ going “oh no how did Chewie walk right past Leia and neither of them acknowledge each other? That would never happen!” is so funny. But I guess I see where he’s coming from. It’s not as if he, JJ Abrams, could have done anything about this. He was only the director after all. 😔

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks :) And having been on set I know how hectic it can be, and I've never done anything remotely close to that level of production. That being said, he was just standing there looking at the monitor while other people did all the work so I do feel it's fair to criticize him for not noticing what's happening when that's his entire job. But mental lapses happen...he just didn't make the mental connection of Chewie walking past Leia because the character blocking wasn't "Chewie walks past Leia", it was "Chewie takes Finn to the doctor while Leia goes to meet Rey".

[@davidthomas3826]

Abrams and Johnson don't understand the concept of the Force. They just thought: "Ha! The Force is just space wizards doing cool magic tricks". So they simply made Kylo and Rey do cool stuff which looks visually impressive (and is used by scriptwriters as a deus ex machina to get characters out of sticky situations without needing much thought) but is inconsistent with other Star Wars films. Kyle freezing the plasma bolt in mid air looks cool but why didn't we see Darth Vader or the Emperor do that? The sequels make it clear that Vader is more powerful than Kylo but Kylo has more amazing abilities. How can Kylo accurately read minds when all Vader, the Emperor, and Yoda could do was sense someone's feelings or feel vibrations in the Force? Again, it is inconsistent. I thought The Force Awakens was a very average movie but it did set up a lot of stories and great possibilities that were not explored in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. The problems were present in The Forcd Awakens but The Last Jedi is the movie that smashes the sequels beyond repair. Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson were handed a great opportunity and they totally screwed it up because they neither understand nor respect the original Star Wars movies.

[@DarthdYT]

Agreed. Now, I could be OK with the idea that each Force user has specific unique abilities. Like maybe Kylo is the only person ever who can catch a blaster bolt because he has a unique ability to sense light/plasma/whatever. But then we've just wrapped back around to him needing more backstory so the writers know the answers to these questions.

[@davidthomas3826]

@@DarthdYT The whole sequel project was not properly thought out. There were some good ideas and pretty decent characters too. But their backgrounds were not properly thought out. Also, the sequel universe didn't seem properly thought out. We never found out how the First Order came to power and how it became so technologically superior. We never learned anything about Snoke or Maz Kanata. I don't know anything about film making but the SW sequels seemed like amateur fan fiction with a big budget

[@DarthdYT]

@@davidthomas3826 yeah when I was making my videos on Rey and Finn's backstory I kept thinking "there's no way the writers ever looked this in depth at these characters, and that's just sad."

[@davidthomas3826]

@@DarthdYT Well, I never believed that Finn was an ex~stormtrooper who had been kidnapped from his family when he was a child

[@tjejojyj]

I respect your determination to catalogue the incoherence of these films. They exhibit all the weaknesses of modern blockbusters using CGI spectacle as a crutch because the films don’t need to withstand scrutiny because they are about a visceral and transient experience. The OT showed you could have character and spectacle. Multiple audiences can be served. The new films are just for children with John Williams and awful fan service there to placate the rest of us. IMHO the new films should be seen as the attempt by our hero, John Williams, to save the films from disaster. Lamentably he fails and a dark cloud falls across the universe.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks Tim, sad how many mistakes are still left to cover though...

[@tjejojyj]

@@DarthdYT I agree that it is very short sighted. There are so many things they could have done. A focus on Finn as a rebel Stormtrooper was a great idea ... but then they put John Boyega on a shelf an let him gather dust.

[@DarthdYT]

@@tjejojyj yeah, not sure if you've seen it yet but I did a long video covering Finn and his lost potential.

[@gustavovp]

Amazing work! I wish the best for you and your channel!

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks so much! Crossing all my fingers I can do this full time some day.

[@williamconway8264]

11:53 You make an interesting comparison to Neo downloading all of his fighting skill in the matrix. It is also worth pointing out that even with all of that knowledge Neo still lost a lot of his hand to hand combat.

[@DarthdYT]

That's an interesting comparison, almost how like with the Jedi, when they have equal training it's frequently whoever has the naturally strongest connection with the force that will win.

[@williamconway8264]

@Darth'd well my point was more that unlike Neo, Rey was amazing at using the force right off of the hop. I think I got on this thread by you mentioning about force powers being downloaded into each Jedi, and my assertion is merely that even if she knew all the force powers does not mean they become all powerful, again like Neo's martial arts, especially the scene right after wherr Morphius easily bests him multiple times.

[@reaperjane2180]

The Disney Threesome (to be called a trilogy, there must be a cohesive storyline, at minimum) is a complete waste of time. Don't care how much money Disney wasted since they can make more, potentially. My time is more valuable. Haven't seen, nor ever will see, TRoS. What's the point? Tbf, I didn't even like TFA, so I was likely to carry a negative opinion of any follow ups in that timeline. I heard they are decanonizing the Threesome--that would be cool, I guess?, but it won't bring fans back. At least not this fan:)

[@DarthdYT]

I did another video that seems very applicable to this comment: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rma3iXpspZmnn9k Tldr: every single long running franchise is going to eventually disappoint us, and we have to chose which parts we're going to keep loving.

[@hassathunter2464]

JJ didnt invent Force Download. The authors of the novels, required to fix the terrible movies did since the movie didn't bother, trying to fix the mess they had been given. Making it worse in this instance trying to make sense of this mess. A fault of Disneys terrible sequels, not JJ though. Not to worry though, he screws up enough everywhere else. Edit: Also from what I hear JJ wanted Luke there in Jedi robes but Rian said "can you not?" and then he changed it. Always had issues with Hyperspace past the shield, but yeah it has more issues than I thought off. Also JJ doubles down on the jumping with tje skipping. All rules get broken. Edit2: Yoda2 is talking about the PT, OT and Sequels. But it makes no sense when the foes of the prequels ARE the baddies of the OT too.

[@DarthdYT]

I thought the download thing came from the script🤔 I'll have to look at that again...

[@extratao50]

@@DarthdYT yeah the downloading thing comes from the Disney extended media :(

[@DarthdYT]

@@extratao50 the funniest thing was the series of tweets trying to explain it wasn't like downloading like in the Matrix only for him to realize it was exactly the same.

[@-MrFozzy-]

You underestimate Disney brother. Give it some time we’ll get a rogue 2 regarding Starkiller Base. I’m massively impressed you talk about force levels, I’ve seen so many vids breaking down the problems with the sequels. You’re the first I’ve seen that tackles this. Not to mention the lightspeed on/off switch. You’ve increased how bad the movies are for me…no easy task, so thanks I guess! Great video, sub from me sir! Keep up the great work, I’m sure you’ll do amazing things

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks Chris! I've got a ton of other in-depth vids too that people seem to be enjoying. The analyses of Rey and Finn are probably my favorites so far.

[@-MrFozzy-]

@@DarthdYT up next is your 7hour vid, then the back catalogue…guna yum them all up!

[@DarthdYT]

@@-MrFozzy- new one dropping this weekend too!

[@taylormurphy2840]

Loved part 1 and this is even better. Keep up the great work

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks so much!

[@treasurecave431]

The sequels had horrendous plot holes, terrible forgettable characters, stinking lore breaking and absolute character assasinations for luke and han and leia. Total trash and should be burned

[@DarthdYT]

So sad considering how amazing the EU stories are 😔

[@DonLasagna]

Great points I didn't touch on in my video. There was definitely a lot of degrees of failure in the trilogy throughout.

[@DarthdYT]

Dang dude, just a couple minutes into your video and I was ready to sub. Looking forward to seeing more.

[@DonLasagna]

@@DarthdYT thanks man! I subbed to you too

[@ThrowBackTokyo]

Excellent work dude, about half way through I thought you were wrapping it up and then you nailed like 10 other points. Great job man, keep up the great work

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks so much! Funny thing is this video is over a year old now, I've done a ton of other (and I think much better) projects since then.

[@figrindantatooine]

Kylo never uses his freeze laser trick in Ep8 or 9. Kylo then gets Force Diad and can grab stuff across space and time. He can also get items teleported to him. Rey can hover and/or fly, and she can heal with no damage to her, so if anyone ever gets hurts again she can fix it right away, Rey can get stronger every time she goes Hulk mad but no side effect to it, yet Yoda and every other Jedi say giving in to anger is not the Jedi way but she does it all the time and she never stops to think about it or suffers ant effects from it. Rey can shoot lightning powerful enough to blow up ships but it takes years to learn it. Only Palps and Dooku used it. None of the other Sith in Clone Wars or in the first 6 films do it. Rey can soul suck every Jedi into her and blast Palps. Both are God-modding and Mary Sue-ing it up so bad. BTW how could Luke become a myth after only being missing for 6 years? The comics say it's only 6 years that Kylo left Luke. Phasma woulda been cool if she could stealth like Predator or she had a jet pack and a light saber and she was the Jedi killer who killed Rey's parents. Forget Ouchie the Jedi Killer who died underground and left the Mcguffen knife behind.Finn. Poe and Rey all shoulda had the Force and learned from Luke to be new Jedi. P.S. 3PO lost his gold arm after he crash landed on a mission with other Droids and he had to get another Droid's arm? Something along that line. It's in a book but there was no reason for it except to sell a toy. I added this just to let some people know who still don't know.

[@DarthdYT]

Yeah, I was maybe able to accept that after 30 years people had forgotten who Luke was, but I feel like they rewrote the story, him being on the island that short a time just doesn't seem to fit.

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

57:40 to be clear, star wars is not science fiction. science has never played a major role in star wars. the genres usually cited are space opera and fantasy. it is more of a fantasy because it revolves around a magic system, not science. although it appears futuristic, advanced technology is rarely explained, and it actually isn't futuristic since it takes place "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away." I actually think this misapprehension of star wars as a sci-fi is responsible for many of the faults of the sequel trilogy. this is how they managed to miss the point of the force and the point of lightsabers. the rest of this video is amazing and you did an awesome job, agree with almost everything you said. just a minor nitpick.

[@DarthdYT]

That's a really interesting point that I'm not sure I've seen discussed before. I'll bring that up with David the next time we record, that topic is right up his alley.

[@chrono2959]

Your imagining of Ma-REY-Sue finding Luke would have been awesome

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks 🙂

[@doomedwit1010]

Show more respect. We know from Solo an orphan is named Solo. She is a Palpatine. She took the name Skywalker. She is Rey Solo Palpatine Skywalker, student of Leia Organa. Not a Mary Sue!

[@DarthdYT]

@@doomedwit1010side note, I get the weird feeling that the Sequel Trilogy straight up forgot Leia's last name wasn't "Skywalker" 🙄

[@chrono2959]

@@doomedwit1010 I was !!!...she's actually the worst lol "character" in star wars movies. She's a mouth open all the time no lines except plot device who's story ended and character stopped after she flew the falcon better than Han solo. Look up the definition of Mary Sue it describes her perfectly there are countless videos that pointed out step by step.

[@doomedwit1010]

@@chrono2959 I was trying to agree with you in a very obtuse and sarcastic way. :-)

[@ShannonLynn21]

Phasma's novel sets her character as the type who is a survivor first. She threw her oen family and tribe to an enemy when she saw the writing on the wall that they would be overtaken and killed, and so made a deal to be spared if she gave them up. And she did this as a child. She's ruthless and will turn on her allies if it means her own survival. They could have easy set it up so Phasma was the spy, looking to double cross in return for a pardon because she once again saw the writing on the wall. But no. Instead we get Hux being a petty idiot for... reasons.

[@DarthdYT]

the problem is that backstory was written after the fact, and by people (I'm assuming) not at all connected with the actual film. Their biggest mistake in this entire mess was probably the absurd lack of planning.

[@victorheredia8259]

That scene of Rey finding Luke, was the most epic thing could happen to this movie

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks! I spent literal weeks making that 😏

[@victorheredia8259]

@@DarthdYT looks awesome. It is a great idea

[@spidaranubis]

i love that random toss in of elrond and aragorn

[@DarthdYT]

I'm an a huge LOTR fan, I watched all the special edition commentaries, even the boring ones like the art department 😅 Really hoping to do some Tolkien related videos one day...

[@spidaranubis]

@@DarthdYT as you did critique of star wars sequels, you could do it on hobbits as well :D

[@DarthdYT]

@@spidaranubis definitely! I've got a few ideas written down already.

[@spearfisherman308]

rey should also have lost because of her lack of training as well and you pointed out something I noticed as well why did kylo not use the force against her.

[@DarthdYT]

Yeah it's really weird, like he uses the force to stop a blaster bolt from behind and then later in the movie just lets Chewie shoot him. No consistency at all.

[@emadSciFi]

Wait a minute, just realised something. You say Rian Johnson convinced JJ Abrams to take out the scene with Luke levitating large rocks at the end of Force Awakens. But that's exactly what Rey does at the end of Last Jedi. Either he hoodwinked JJ into removing that idea so he could kept all to himself for Rey or he stole the idea from him afterwards. The scoundrel!!! The excuse of Luke not being connected to the force while on that island planet is ridiculous because Jedi get visions of the future, just like what happened in Empire Strikes back. He can;t disconnect himself from the force even if he tried. If a far off planet blew up he would feel it just like Obi-Won did in the first movie. Rian hoodwinked him!!!!

[@DarthdYT]

I doubt it was intentionally stealing the scene or anything. I'm betting they didn't think through the story any deeper than "Oops, Luke can't be connected to the Force or we'll have to actually write backstory and think through how that effects everything."

[@emadSciFi]

@@DarthdYT That doesn;t say much for how intellectually 'deep' these people are, does it?!!

[@RyanTheDark]

People bash the Prequels but at least they went down a unique direction instead of being rehashes of the Original Trilogy while they exploit more of the Force, politics, and lightsaber combat.

[@DarthdYT]

Don't forget the incredible world building. The prequels introduced soooo many things that people wanted to learn more about, I'd argue the prequels created a bigger world than the OT did.

[@RyanTheDark]

@@DarthdYT I was concern about what these movies were going, seeing as I noticed Disney starting to go down a dark path around that time period and stop going to watch their movies as the magic with them was fading, but I was hoping that it would be good as I wanted to see movies I am old enough to watch since I was not born yet (though I was born by the time of ROTS but too young) and was excited to see a new generation of Star Wars in my era. Literally, I remember before TFA, my 9 to 10 year old self rewatched Legacy of the Force, closing the book at the tragic but bittersweet ending, expecting there would be a Canon version of the Sequel Trilogy would be as perfect if not more. Now, 5 to 6 years later, I still follow Legends Canon/Old Canon with a few exceptions such as the shows of Dave Filoni and Bad Batch. I didn't even watch TROS as the TLJ was just too disappointing and I decided to return to the Legends Sequel Trilogy. These movies are too inconsistent; they are without heart and effort, rushing through these movies and with horrible arcs. And now we have a mess of these movies that would remember as shams. For me, the Skywalker Saga would always end at 6.

[@filipzietek5146]

Assuming that entire or most of the Imperial fleet was at Endor is stupid but i heard it's canon now? Rebel Alliance had about 20 Mon calamari cruisers in this battle and in some scenes there are many visible on screen at once not to mention other ships. You can get a glimpse of how big the fleet was in the scenes on the SSD bridge where a dozen or so MC 80 cruisers are visible charging at it and sinking it's escort ISDs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/roG9mpqNe95-aNE The whole intensify forward firepower line isn't about the a-wing or fighters but about the 2 cruisers that got into point blank range which people tend not to notice for some reason.

[@sirboomsalot4902]

The remaining entire Imperial Fleet was at Jakku, Endor was just Death Squadron. Iirc over the course of its existence the Empire commissioned over 20,000 ISDs alone (which seems like a crazy high number imo, but this is a whole galaxy we are talking about), and there were on,y a few dozen at Endor. I agree wi5 everything else though

[@filipzietek5146]

@@sirboomsalot4902 I read somewhere is the new canon that Imperial fleet at Endor was a very large part of imperial fleet. I know that in old canon Rebels had 10 000 capital ships (from corvette size up) and Empire had 20 000 ISD alone not to mention other ships.

[@victorsardinia7120]

In the cannon aftermath novels it is said that most of the star destroyers on Jakku were pulled down by Luke Skywalker

[@DarthdYT]

I go back and forth on that idea. It'd be cool to see, but might be a bit too OP. While such a feat may be technically possible, that would create a mess for the writers trying to balance him going forward.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Trek fans warned you all

[@blueshattrick]

Only a company as incompetent as Dizney and Kennedy would start a 3 movie trilogy - their most valuable IP at the time - with SO little planning! For years I thought TFA's main problem was simply Jar Jar Abram's complete lack of creativity.. the plot being such a rip-off of A New Hope. You've opened my eyes to how deep the problems go, which were only made worse by Ruin. (*by the time of TROS, I had already tapped out of Dizney SW - so never saw that mess)

[@jackobrien5110]

I love this video bc most fans would just shrug off force awakens and blame everything on Lars Jedi and I appreciate looking at the bigger picture.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks Jack 🙂 And actually, this video had a part 1 were I analyzed the issues from a more big picture perspective, but after that there were all these smaller separate issues so I made this video.

[@wiezyczkowata]

I don't understand why Maz yelled Han's name so everyone could hear? isn't her place a place where you go to do a discreet business?

[@DarthdYT]

Lol that's a great point I should have brought up. She literally announces him to both the Resistance and the FO. Finding more things all the time that don't make sense..

[@wiezyczkowata]

@@DarthdYT me too, the more I watch it the more it doesn't make sense, it's like a mix of scenes a bunch of different people did and then they edited it to make a whole movie

[@michaelbaker2552]

I have taken care of the ST; I ignore it. It exists only to allow fans to pick it apart. "Spaceballs" makes more sense! For me, the "Legends" books are my canon; I have read all of them and it is a crime that the Thrawn trilogy was not the ST. The X-Wing series would have made ten great movies. Sad thing!

[@DarthdYT]

I've said the same many times. The Thrawn Trilogy are some of my favorite books ever.

[@jaysway9251]

Small tip: please fix your audio. Your videos are too quiet.

[@DarthdYT]

Trying to budget for a better mic😔

[@jaysway9251]

Darth'd maybe up the volume before rendering then?

[@DarthdYT]

Can do.

[@TheWizardGamez]

I’m not saying that mind rape should’ve been impossible, considering that the Jedi used mind tricks to force information out. And the darkside should theoretically be able to dig deeper and use even more pain or even fear, like fake visions of your family or loved ones being hurt, and then that causing the person to forcefully think about that thing, dropping their mental prison and helping extract the information

[@DarthdYT]

One thing I probably didn't make clear is the distinction between a force power existing vs it being fully thought out. I don't have a problem with the idea of reading minds, because that concept has been around since the beginning. But the filmmakers never differentiate between Kylo and Vader. Why did Vader have to use a torture droid on Leia, while Kylo was able to just use the force to extract information? A good comparison might be looking at Xmen Jean and Prof X. They both had the same mind reading power but she was far more limited and iirc needed physical contact. The story set boundaries and had explanations that helped the audience understand.

[@deborahminter6231]

I thought you would appreciate my Quora answers to a Star Wars fan question: When it comes to sequels, there are always more expectations and a history that writers attempt to live up to. It usually involves a balance of paying homage as well as creating new characters and plots. The mistake often made by creators is to bring back an iconic character to tantalize fans, then decide that said character is in the way and kill them off. The Star Wars trilogy is a glaring example of beloved characters being thrown away to make way for the new. The trilogy had some good points. Kylo Ren has got to be one of the most complex villains in fiction. Adam Driver's performance was excellent as well as Daisy Ridley's. The chemistry was undeniable. I don't agree that Rey is a Mary Sue. She is a strong character with emotion that fights darkness. She has affection, compassion and even love for Ben, yet will not support Kylo Ren's darkness in any shape or form. The contrast of light versus dark as well as the force bond between them is intriguing. I heard one metaphor describe them as the Ying and the Yang. Is it no wonder that reylo manifested itself among fans? Kylo and Rey are the most compelling characters of the entire trilogy. The problem is that was the only thing I liked about the trilogy…Finn and Hux had some good screen time, but that was it. Rey is a strong protagonist but Kylo is not, he is not given a central roll in the plot, only the fans gave him that. He is a tortured villain …essentially a hero trapped in an evil shell, brainwashed Star Wars style. His character provides a link to the original heroes of the saga. Which brings us right back to the disappointment of fans. Kylo is Ben Solo son of Han and Leia, nephew of Luke Skywalker. What we eventually discover is that Palpatine and Snoke basically succeeded in decimating the Skywalker family. Ben was coveted by the dark side through mind manipulation, misunderstanding and family tragedy. Ben's family never realized Luke nearly killed Ben in a moment of weakness. Luke never realized Palpatine was crawling into Ben's mind and dividing the family. Everything goes wrong! Resulting in the death of the iconic characters, one by one. Mark Hamill expressed disappointment that Han, Luke and Leia would never unite again. This is an echo of everything that went wrong with the Star Wars heroes. Han Solo was killed off by his own son. Though this moment worked for shock value, fans were disappointed that Han was ripped so cruelly from the film. Han Solo died because the writer's wanted him gone and most likely couldn't afford to pay Harrison Ford for the upcoming films. So he is killed at the hand of Kylo Ren, eventually resulting in the redemption of Ben Solo. The other star wars heroes suffer similar fates. There was never a resolution or reunion between the family. I am not saying they should have had a family sit down to discuss their differences or included sappy drama! This is Star Wars it could have all been talked out over a lightsaber duel or rescue mission. Han's death could have happened in a number of ways even rescuing his son. The creators wanted a Darth Vader backwards, a vulnerable person hardened into the dark side. Didn't we already get that with the Anakin prequel? (I do believe even Vader got more of a reunion with luke!) Luke Skywalker dies abruptly once confronting Ben to save the resistance, the confrontation was short and heroic, but with no resolution. It did not shift Ben to the light or have any significant impact for the plot. Another criticism by viewers is that Kylo could have shifted towards the light sooner or become a double agent. Again this sentiment is brought on by the fact that there was no closure between the old characters. Han speaks to his son then is killed, Luke confronts Ben breifly then dies. Only Leia made it to the third film, reaches out to her son says “Ben" then dies. We finally see a redeemed Ben Solo come back and fight by Rey's side (very briefly) then dies. Between the writers and Palpatine the entire trilogy destroyed our iconic heroes with evil machinations and then death. No wonder fans were pissed!

[@WhatsReallyGoingOn84]

Had your video on randomly in the background, but then I noticed your remake of Luke and Rey meeting, wow! Subscribed.

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks! That 2 min clip of them meeting was actually one of my first videos, I just inserted it into this one because it fit the topic so well.

[@melindawolfUS]

So basically, JJ didn't understand basic star wars established story rules ... or knew and ignored them like creating an alternate reality. I think you're right -this movie was fun to watch on first viewing but as the three were revealed, the flaws inherent in JJ's movie were made more obvious, confusing and disappointing.

[@DarthdYT]

If you haven't seen it, there's actually a part 1 to this video, where I looked at the overarching story issues that JJ introduced with how he constructed ep7. But yeah..the more you look the more confusing and disappointing it is.

[@garrethmunro3012]

YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A LIGHTSABER, YOU WOULDN'T PIRATE A JEDI KNIGHT.

[@DarthdYT]

If that's a reference to that IT Crowd episode you're just awesome 👍

[@marceloabad8545]

I still think this should've been a single video and not two parts, I refused to watch this for many months thinking this wasn't worth my time since the first part was SO PERFECT, but this video actually gets DEEPER into Abrams mistakes and actually completely DESTROYS any hope of redemption for TFA, this was definitely worth my time. I didn't think I could actually dislike that movie more, I already thought TFA was worse and much more terrible to continuity and the trilogy itself BEFORE watching your videos, but this is brutal and underappreciated.

[@DarthdYT]

Wow, some high praise there, thank you! And, whether it was the right decision or not, I wanted to keep the 2 parts seperate; they just felt like 2 distinct projects to me, it wasn't even originally "part 1 part 2" I just eventually labeled them as such for clarity. But I'm just trying to figure this all out as I go so who knows what might have been ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@marceloabad8545]

​@@DarthdYT I think you'd get more traffick if you rename this video to anything that indicates what it truly is, a different take, as you say. Some sensationalist title like: "Is The Force Awakens the worst of the sequels?" might invite the viewers cause it really deserves lots of them.

[@DarthdYT]

@@marceloabad8545 you're absolutely right, that's actually one of the things on my to-do list, trying to workshop some better titles. Sadly, work is kicking my butt right now and I haven't had much time for the channel. Still writing new scripts off and on though. Working on a Finn video to follow up my Rey analysis.

[@markborok4481]

1) Good point about R2. People complain about the Ewoks being fuzzy teddy bears who defeat the Empire, but they don't mind that a knee-high trash can on wheels is one of the baddest mofos in the universe. Lucas was trying to make a point that courage and ability come in all sizes (it's a film for kids, after all), and that the baddest mofo in the universe (Darth Vader) can be a tormented shell of his former self. 2) Since Abrams undid everything the Rebels accomplished in the original trilogy, who's to say the next trilogy won't undo everything the Resistance accomplished in episodes 7-9? Why should we care if the heroes succeed or not if we know they will probably just end up at square one again in ep. 10?

[@DarthdYT]

exactly.

[@Kevinterell]

Dude I’m 27:00 in and I feel like life is not worth living anymore because of how dirty they did these characters, actors, lord, and everything else!!!!!!

[@DarthdYT]

yeah, it's depressing alright. But I keep trying to remind everyone that the reasons we fell in love with the franchise are still there. We still have 6 films, the CW/Bad Batch/Rebels, the Legends EU....stuff most of the fanbase still loves. We just need to learn to focus on what we still have instead of mourning what we've lost.

[@VibinWithBrian231]

Why are you so quiet? My volume is at max and it sounds like you are whispering. Great video regardless.

[@DarthdYT]

I have a new mic since I made that video and I'm still constantly working to try to improve; it's definitely way better now but I'm still hoping to upgrade again before long. Sorry and thanks for watching anyway!!

[@VibinWithBrian231]

@@DarthdYT It’s okay! I’m sorry for coming off as a dick. I was super tired lol. I love your videos and have been using them to fall asleep. :) Thank you for all the work you do!

[@DarthdYT]

@@VibinWithBrian231 nah no worries. And good to hear my voice is good at putting people to sleep 😜

[@LudwigVon]

I think I've read that Luke was in his Jedi robes at the end of TFA because he was planning his suicide (Yes this was RJ's attempt to close a plot hole)

[@DarthdYT]

I can't remember where I talked about it, but the official canon explanation is that every time he tried to burn down the tree with the Jedi texts, he changed into his ceremonial robes. He tried many times over the years and never had the strength of will to do it. Rey met him after one such failure.

[@hassathunter2464]

Apparently the backstory to C-3P0's red arm can be found in the LEGO TFA game.

[@DarthdYT]

That that cracked me up to find that out. And even then it wasn't a great enough story to warrant 2 lines of dialogue in a main film. Combined with putting Palpatine's message in Fortnite, its interesting how they're trying yet failing to bring gaming in to the story telling mechanism.

[@vanheath5382]

Did you make the Rey & Finn analysis video you mentioned @ timestamp 51:17? If so can you provide a link?

[@DarthdYT]

Heath that one has been on the backburner for awhile, but I do plan to pick it up again soon. I've already got most of the research done and script written. Right now I'm working on a couple more lighthearted comedy edits, I had always intended to switch between video essay and comedy but I got caught up in all the ST drama and kept making only analysis videos 😏

[@MrTimmy23]

this video is soo good and puts into words, what I've been thinking for sooo long. JJ ruined star wars way more than Rian Johnson

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks so much Timmy! And this is actually part 2 if you haven't seen the first one, then I've got more specific videos on both Rey and Finn, and I've got a script on Kylo in the works too.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Personally, I still blame Rian more. JJ, for as uninspired as he was, still at least kept consistant with the main themes of hope, family, and good vs evil in Star Wars. Rian, however, butchered all of that and turned Star Wars into a world where there is no good and evil because both sides are the same, where hope is just a word devoid of any action to achive that hope, and where family doesn't matter because you are a nobody. He also destroyed any potential for Kylo to logically be redeemed. I know JJ redeemed him anyway but it still doesn't makes sense in the context of how Kylo does evil things in TLJ of his own free will without remorse. And at least JJ left the next films wide open and full of possibilities. Ruan basically left the story in an impossble place going into the final movie.

[@virgogaming6488]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi JJ dumped a bunch of unanswered plot threads onto Rian to answer that would have given him no creative room to make the film he wanted so I don't really blame him for throwing TFA off a cliff and hitting reset instead.

[@Zarvanis]

It's amazing how broken these films are. Every time I watch a video on the Sequel trilogy, there's always at least one new flaw I hadn't heard before.

[@DarthdYT]

Lol right? Check out the one I did called "The First Order is Blind". That was a fun one 😅

[@violetlavi2207]

Re: the Force powers...Kylo had Sith training in addition to Jedi training, so a power like mind invasion would be something he learned from Snoke. I doubt it's a power the Jedi would learn, use, or teach

[@ryanmoorehead2945]

Love this video, I would say you need your mic level (or overall sound level) turned up a bit. A very soft sounding video. Your essay is on point though :)

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks Ryan! Yeah, this video is over 2 years old now I think. I've upgraded mics and gotten better at mixing audio since then :)

[@du6167]

The Lore released parallel to TFA emphasized that Snoke is "not a Sith, but is very powerful" or whatever. To me this low-key felt like a bad attempt at distancing the story from "prequel" lore, treating Sith as some dirty word nobody likes, even though the OT first introduced them, it's the Prequels and the EU that expanded on them. It's ironic, considering they ran back to use the Sith so heavily in TroS, as of realizing that fans actually liked them. Maybe that's just me being cynical (very likely). Maybe they knew they couldn't really use the Sith because we just had Vader and Palps die in the previous trilogy. But the introduction of a supposedly very old and very powerful force-user raises so many questions, all of which were "answered" in TroS with "Palpatine made Snoke". Insane!

[@DarthdYT]

My biggest problem with the topic of your first sentence, is that things shouldn't need to be read in the EU for the in-film story to make sense. We have SIX movies establishing the Sith and Rule of Two, then suddenly we have Snoke who's.....something else? A character who breaks established lore and gets zero explanation....it just confuses me how any competent writer could ok that idea. And I agree, it seems obvious they were not only trying to distance themselves from the previous films, but also to subtly discredit them as much as possible. Like how the grand story of how Han lost the Falcon was that he straight up gave the key to a parking attendant who then stole the ship. Or how Han sold Luke's medal for drinking money.

[@pruff3]

Great video, I've seen a lot of these and this stands out!

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks so much Patrick! Although this is far from my best video, I'm definitely still learning. My Rey or Finn analyses are probably what I'd rank my top videos right now.

[@matthewboren708]

33:21 I just cried.. so fucking good and what we all deserved to have those little things are what count great video man I'm showing to my friends later.. thank you.!

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks so much! So glad you enjoyed it ✌️

[@davidmarsden192]

Excellent video! Very well done!!

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks David! I did a video prior to this from a wider perspective of their failure if you haven't seen it yet 🙂

[@SilvrSavior]

I walked out of the movie thinking it would have been a forgettable movie without the Start Wars brand propping it up. Hell I make the comparison that Mortal Engines is a better movie than TFA but failed because it lacked the multibillion dollar marketing push and a 40 year old fanbase.

[@DarthdYT]

Wow, great point. Imagine the same story taking place in ancient times with metal swords and magic...most of what made TFA so enjoyable was the nostalgia. Without the star wars name the base story is pretty basic, all the most interesting stuff happened offscreen.

[@MrMirageCaster]

"This isn't Star Trek, we shouldn't look to closely at the science." Just because things don't adhere to absolutes doesn't mean we should excuse such massive leaps in logic. And until Disney Star Wars did follow logic.

[@DarthdYT]

Yeah, I really hate that argument. Even worse is how often I hear "it's a movie, don't think about it so deeply". Like...I've heard the same people rave about all the deep themes and planning that went into connecting all of the MCU.🤷‍♂️

[@MrMirageCaster]

@@DarthdYT Art is subjective. People will find value wherever and with whatever suits them. For science fiction you typically expect people to appreciate the science that goes into it. And the thing with story telling is there has to be a believability for things to work. The infinite possibilities still depend on a foundation of logic for them to make sense. If the fictional world says that water is dry then it has to adhere that rule and the repercussions of it.

[@DarthdYT]

@@MrMirageCaster I think that's a great summation of the biggest problem many films these days have: they don't have a solid foundation, and the audience can feel they don't make sense, even if most viewers never analyze to figure out exactly why.

[@RobotCrafter1]

Just found your channel, keep up the good work

[@DarthdYT]

not sure how I missed seeing this...but thanks so much!

[@claireangelineharvey6605]

Wait seriously??? We never saw Luke, Leia, and Han are never on screen together in the sequel trilogy??? WTF Now I'm even more mad. How dare they take that away from us. They were not even close but they could have done it. asghpdfjlotyhf

[@DarthdYT]

And even though we got Han and Leia together in several scenes, they were more depressing than anything. Each scene was 100% about the sadness and trauma of losing their son...

[@claireangelineharvey6605]

@@DarthdYT I seriously think about what the sequel trilogy COULD have been all the time. And now it feels like Star Wars has been ruined. Have I watched the Mandalorian and am I looking forward to the Obi-Wan Kenobi show and Cassian and K2SO show? Yes! But hesitantly. And it makes me so angry that I feel like I can't trust them to make a good Star Wars movie.

[@DarthdYT]

@@claireangelineharvey6605 I cling to two things: 1. the Legends novels, which have some absolutely fantastic stuff 2. the idea that as CGI technology gets better/cheaper, we'll eventually have a fairly realistic trilogy made that fans will actually love

[@faithingood3863]

33:15 ... that was beautiful, does alot of healing to see even a fraction of what should have/could have been

[@DarthdYT]

Thanks! That was one of my first videos, took a long time too!😅

[@rickblaine9670]

7:14 To be fair, this one is justified. Force users can only manhandle NON Force users that easily. Other Force users, if powerful enough, will be highly resistant or downright immune. Rey’s power was still dormant when she first met Kylo on Takodana, but it was active during their duel later on. The interrogation scene is there to show us exactly this, how much more resistant Rey’s mind is than that of a normal person like Poe. And the same goes for her body. Had Kylo tried to immobilize her during the duel, it simply would not have worked.

[@DarthdYT]

Your explanation makes perfect sense; I would argue the problem is in the execution. I believe they absolutely needed to show Kylo attempting to immobilize her and it no longer working, reinforcing her "unlocked" skills. Lacking that brief interaction makes the audience question why he didn't at least try, with the only 2 logical explanations being he didn't remember he could or he already knew he couldn't.

[@aishan6224]

Omg! I swear that scene with luke was so good I got interested in the story. Crazy how "simple" they couldve gotten people hooked