Pokemon's Most Obscure And Useless Moves

Pokemon is a pretty simple game at its surface, and I think its simple diversity is what makes it such a hugely popular franchise for most people, either picking a game up for the first time or revisiting distant childhood bliss once more. And one feature throughout its history that has kept it fresh is the vast assortment of moves different Pokemon can learn. But since new moves are added each generation, there are some that have fallen into complete obscurity, never to be used, or even looked at, again. So let’s take a dive into Pokemon’s most obscure and forgotten moves...
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[@mystikx2205]

My favorite thing about Spider Web is that, in Gen 9, they made it unusable. Then they decided to introduce a new spider Pokemon and give it Block, a move that's literally the same thing as Spider Web.

[@healthyminds9279]

Sounds like they didn't feel like making an animation for Spider Web :/

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

​@@healthyminds9279yeah, making spidops hop and drop a slightly modified sticky web sprite on the opponent was too hard...

[@barriertrio4456]

that spider was block shaped though

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@theapexsurvivor9538 You joke, but yes It's a multibillion dollar corporations they cut every corner they can

[@rjd-kh8et]

Actually they removed Spider Web in Gen 8, which makes slightly more sense.

[@Mngalahad]

the ariados spider web is actually a really good way to catch the johto beasts in pokemon firered and leafgreen: you breed an ariados with a ledyba so you get spiderweb on ledian, which is a pokemon with baton pass. so you use spider web, trap entei or raikou with it and then baton pass into a soundproof pokemon like electrode.

[@agentblackbird9435]

Ledian having a use is crazy

[@a-s-greig]

An even better way is to just use your Master Ball.

[@funnegunne9320]

-and then suffer getting the other two after wasting it...

[@TheSimo182]

You can only get one though, depending on your starter, so not really a problem

[@DerToasti]

that's a ton of work lol. first train ariados up to level 43 to learn spiderweb (spinerak can be caught at lv 14) then train the ledyba egg up to a level where it can outspeed the legendary beast. And then op top of all that train an electrode up to a level where it can at least survive a hit or two.

[@IvyAltdrachen]

i actually used captivate when i fought cynthia in platinum, i believe her team is all-female so i just threw it on one of my male mons to weaken her special attackers. truly the pinnacle of niche

[@stigmaoftherose]

Most people don't realize, but almost every trainer's pokemon is the same gender as the trainer with obvious exceptions such as gender locked pokemon.

[@toyecatm2558]

Actually on a romhack called Pokemon Renegade Platinum where enemy trainers have improved teams, Captivate with a male Pokémon is a pretty consistent way to beat Fantina. Lead with a Dark type, use Captivate on Drifblim while it uses Calm Mind and it will eventually pass the Special Attack changes to Mismagius (which is part Fairy in RenPlat) with Baton Pass. So you face a weakened Mismagius, switch to Torterra (which can have Shell Armor), setup, and sweep.

[@goldman77700]

​@@stigmaoftheroseI use a female Salamence in the ORAS battle tower and would occasionally get hit by attract from enemy female mons. 😂

[@jamesrobson8308]

@@toyecatm2558 I think I actually used a captivate bibarel or staravia when I played It a while back

[@olivercharles2930]

tHANS @@toyecatm2558

[@deathstinger13]

an easier way to describe Miracle Eye is to call it a psychic variant on Odor Sleuth/Foresight. It has the same nullification of evasion improvements, it just removes dark's immunity to psychic instead of Odorsleuth/Foresight's removal of ghost's immunities. It might be interesting to see it return as an ability, akin to Scrappy or Corrosion

[@PokemonWoop]

That would definitely be an interesting ability!

[@deathstinger13]

@@PokemonWoop about as interesting as other abilities that remove opponent immunities like scrappy or corrosion to counter ghost and steel respectively. Wouldn't be surprised if we eventually get one to counter flying and levitate's ground immunity some day too, since we've already had the move Gravity

[@KevinEontrainer381]

I think there should be a Pokemon that has passive Miracle Eye as ability. Basically Scrappy equivalent for Psychic

[@cristhianmontoya6648]

Def should get an ability cause dark types are a lil op.

[@duckymomo7935]

It was renamed as minds eye lol but still functional as scrappy

[@nightnday6675]

Useless Moves 15 year old me: Anything that did not inflict damage.

[@yannickgrignon2473]

You know, I kind of like that sentiment at the end. I agree that there can be value found in moves who's only real purpose is giving kids a moment to think about if they want to learn them (and then inevitably choose "no")

[@PokemonWoop]

My 6 year old mindset: "if it doesn't do damage, it's useless"

[@alexrennison8070]

@@PokemonWoopAmen. I remember being so disappointed at Pokemon that would learn something like reflect at level 65 or so. When Gen III was current I wanted to see what the animation for all the moves looked like. So I would look through my Emerald strategy guide at all the unique moves Pokemon might learn. I remember grinding Grumpig to level 55 or something daft to see what Bounce looked like. I was so deflated to see it just use Fly.

[@GamerJrdn]

It's weird that Porygon couldn't learn Reflect Type, Conversion basically did the same thing in Gen 1 so it'd make logical sense for it to be able to do that but maybe it'd make Porygon2 and Z too good

[@thegreatphantus1627]

I love how atmospheric these videos are. It's such an unorthodox choice but it adds a lot to these videos.

[@AvariceOverlord]

It definitely gives me "documentary" vibes.

[@ariechriswell2669]

Reflect Type was actually a niche tech move in Gen V OU on Latias. It allowed you to turn the tables on any Tyranitar trying to Pursuit trap you by turning into a Dark Type and resisting the hit

[@danijeljovic4971]

I've also seen some Starmie use it to counter Ferrothorn back in ORAS since you resist gyro ball and can't get leech seeded

[@nerdyfalco408]

​@@danijeljovic4971it already resists gyro ball, did you mean power whip?

[@danijeljovic4971]

@@nerdyfalco408 oops yeah you're right. Also knock off too

[@metha9987]

Side question, will you lose STAB when you use this move?

[@Anzyll]

@@metha9987 Yeah, but from what I know, Starmie mostly ran Thunderbolt/Ice Beam anyway.

[@BryceRogers_]

In Gen. 2, I put Spider Web on all my Smeargle. It's the saucier trapping move. Then you give it Spore, Super Fang/False Swipe, and Fly for the prime pokemon-catching loadout

[@PokemonWoop]

That's one saucy moveset you've got there I do wonder how Smeargle flies through the sky though

[@bigmeaty9000]

​@PokemonWoop they flap their ears

[@paulelderson934]

​@@PokemonWoopIt just paints the sky beneath your feet, then repaints it to be your destination.

[@sillentgamer64]

Miracle Eye is basically the same thing as Foresight, but for the Psychic-Dark relationship instead of the Normal-Ghost relationship. I didn't realize it also resets evasion, so that would make Foresight the worse of the two, especially when most Normal types can learn Dark type moves to counter Ghost like Bite, Feint Attack or Knock Off. And most can learn Shadow Ball too.

[@kanibelazy0585]

Foresight has a niche to it tho especially for Hitmon Family since they known for always having Rapid Spin.

[@ascriptmaster]

Foresight actually also resets evasion.

[@legendofrayquazagaming5125]

@@ascriptmaster As does Odor Sleuth

[@shinyarchen_39]

The thing is Miracle Eye still leaves you at a disadvantage. The only Pokemon that get it are weak to Dark, so you’re wide open to taking super-effective STAB damage when you use it. It’s an even bigger risk than Foresight for a smaller reward.

[@GoldenGrenadier]

It has very niche use on articuno. It's the only Pokémon with an accuracy guaranteeing move and on OHKO(at least in gen 4 that I know of). It absolutely shreds those annoying evasion tanks in places like battle tower and the master class in pokemon battle revolution.

[@InsomniacMatt]

Bite went from physical in Gen 1(normal), to special in Gen 2 when it became a dark type, and regained physical in Gen 4

[@alexrennison8070]

Bite was in Gen I? Normal type?

[@Yell0wBoo]

​@@alexrennison8070karate chop was also normal

[@AvariceOverlord]

@@alexrennison8070 The Dark and Steel Type didn't exist yet, so a lot of moves went from Normal to whatever type Gamefreak felt like giving them after Gen 2. I believe a lot of Ghost Moves were also physical back then, which was a big downside considering Gengar had great Special stats.

[@elizacogen711]

​@AvariceOverlord all ghost moves were physical

[@TheAuron32]

yup, its why Crystal Legacy swapped that around, making Dark Physical and Ghost Special, works really well too.@@AvariceOverlord

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Miracle Eye would go bonkers if it also raised the user's accuracy, even by one stage. Alakazam smiting enemies with a 93% accurate Focus Blast? I'm all for it.

[@maestro9765]

Isn't that redundant? The whole theoretical appeal of miracle eye is that you wouldn't need to use focus miss. If focus miss actually hit then miracle eye would not even be discussed in the first place. Or better yet, why can't Alakazam get aura sphere?

[@AZV0108]

3:22 I might be one of the rarest users of Spider Web ever existed lol. Back in Gen 7, for a Monotype Bug, I ran an Araquanid with Spider Web, Soak, Toxic and Rest to stall and get rid of any other wall/threat to the team. And it's safe to say that set not only worked, but it was way more effective than it may appear. Sad the move has been deleted from the series, I would love to bring back my Stallaquanid

[@NecromancyForKids]

Infestation also forced the Pokémon to stay in and deals damage

[@KevinEontrainer381]

​@@NecromancyForKids Infestation can wear off unlike Spider Web though. Thats probably the only downside

[@NairbNroh]

5:24 small mistake, but Shadow Moves are totally usable by the player while you have Shadow Pokemon.

[@PokemonWoop]

Yeah, standard Woop mistake right there

[@Fungo4]

And they're not typeless, they're just Shadow type.

[@magnuspkmn]

The only one I was pretty familiar with was Spider Web, since Koga's team on the Johto Elite Four features an Ariados who loves using it. I'm glad it at least got SOME love from GameFreak there!

[@PokemonWoop]

Yeah, Spider Web sounds like such a cool move, but it's sadly just not really good... Also, I believe that Ariados' moveset was supposed to be for trolling (spider web to trap, then double team and baton pass)

[@sobblegaming350]

You mentioned ariados' old signature move but its new one is even more obscure(toxic thread). Genuinely cant remember what the move does but it was introduced all the way in gen 7.

[@agentblackbird9435]

Yeah I remember Spider Web but I can never remember Toxic Thread

[@SSBBPOKEFAN]

From what I remember, Toxic Thread is basically String Shot+Poisonpowder.

[@PokemonWoop]

Apparently Ariados did run Toxic Thread in competitive for a bit

[@TheRubsi]

From my experience of more than 20 years in gaming, the games that contain "useless" and "strictly worse" moves/items/mechanics and allow for some insane abuse and min-maxing usually are the best. There is a reason why the devs included Salami as a Weapon in BG3 ... :-D 😀

[@WilliamScavengerFish]

My main Pokémon catcher is a smeargle with FALSE SWIPE, HYPNOSIS, RECOVER and SPIDER WEB. Smeargle has high speed so it works well.

[@chrisjohnsen8448]

I actually used Reflect Type in a recent SV run. I had a Gengar on my team and I had it use Reflect Type at the Ghost gym after my Farigiraf became Dark Type with Tera in order to more readily body Rhyme's team.

[@l0st5oul45]

Reflect type was interesting competitively too, having a bulky reflect type starmie with scald and possibly toxic was kinda nutty

[@panchampangoro4999]

Reflect Type has untapped potential on Gengar imo I used to run a Mega Gengar with Reflect Type, Hex, Will-O-Wisp and Protect and walled out a Gliscor once 😂

[@jmcbango]

Side reflect type in doubles sounds kinda crazy. Especially in a tera metagame. Might have to cook with this later

[@Celia_Dawn]

Reflect Type was actually really good on Mega Latias in competitive! It basically let it Terastellize versus Pokemon like Tyrantatar or Ferrothorn, two of its most common answers.

[@Paul-lt8le]

Really love the random Digletts fact you through in there because you didn’t have enough content for 10 mins. S tier stuff man

[@PokemonWoop]

Thanks! I thought it was a pretty cool fact!

[@flightlessmonarch2313]

Rare instance where I've actually intentionally used one of these obscure moves before: Reflect Type. Fun little niche build for Starmie back in gen 6 that worked surprisingly well simply based off the fact no one ever expected it

[@Fam0usFarm3r]

The ending comments are very true for pokemon. People forget that it's a solo game first, with competitive coming second. Yes, there are pokemon that are pretty much useless competitively, but serve a function in a solo play through (looking at you, bug type pokemon).

[@CoralCopperHead]

Eh, I mostly ignore the bugs, they're handed out like candy to fill out your party at a point in the game where having a full party isn't really required. By the time it is, you've got access to a much wider array.

[@Zomby_Goast]

The player is able to use Shadow Moves! Just not outside the story mode of the GameCube titles

[@PokemonWoop]

Huh, the more you know Of course, it's not a Woop video without a dumb mistake lol

[@gizzy5788]

What really stands out to me is that this is the first Pokemon Analysis/Deep Dive Video that has a "transcedental" kinda vibe too it thanks to the choice of music and your calm voice. Paired with the message you gave at the end really made this stand out from all the other Pokemon Theory channels. Keep it up. Good stuff.

[@heartbeat4atinman]

I think another commonly forgotten move is Ion Deluge. It's a rather situational (and kinda useless) effect with a small learnpool, but what makes it stand out is that in unpatched versions of USUM, it was glitched and would always fail. It's so forgettable that even Game Freak forgot about it.

[@mistydayremainsofthejudgment]

i dunno why but i love learning about these useless moves no one uses/forgets about/ended up deleted eventually. psywave is my personal favorite

[@PokemonWoop]

You should definitely check out the other three I've made! It's surprising how many moves get swept under the rug

[@Ningflingslinger]

Was almost gonna say Reflect Type's sole purpose was to enable another near-useless move you didn't mention here called Synchronoise, but then I checked who could learn both those moves and found only Kekleon. And even then he only learned Reflect Type as a special Dream World move, so post-Gen 6 it's like he doesn't at all.

[@Kickiusz]

Synchro does have some very niche uses, it's a great way to easily bait out a switch. Also, Golduck can use it as a surprisingly good coverage for Water types. It would be more useful if there was more than bloody _one_ (as of gen 6) Pokemon that can use it and isn't either Psychic or Dark.

[@765craven4]

Miracle Eye is a pretty underwhelming move in game for sure. I've actually been reading a genuinely incredible fanfiction called "The Origin of Species" where Miracle Eye was created during the events of the story and it had world altering affects. It features a more gritty and realistic world where Pokemon are more akin to animals and there are Dark humans, who, like Dark Pokemon, cannot be detected by Psychics, human or Pokemon. Something like Miracle Eye, that even temporarily can remove that protection from a Dark human or Pokemon, has long reaching ramifications that alter the course of history. It's a very good read and is still in progress and regularly updated, strong recommend for anyone who is interested in a more mature Pokemon story that takes a very analytical, in depth approach to a Pokemon world.

[@nicocchi]

Well if you think about it Odor Sleuth/Foresight/Miracle Eye remove immunities from Ghost/Dark types, obviously that means it's a must have in Hackmons to deal with Wonder Guard Sableye/Spiritomb instead of literally any other strategy that makes more sense, including but not limited to not playing Hackmons before Gen VI

[@Kickiusz]

Idk if that would even work, and besides there's also Gastro Acid and Mold Breaker, both of which are more useful and were available before gen 6.

[@j.rileyindependentproductions]

Wow... Reflect-type would be really cool on Shedinja, the only Pokemon that could really use it.

[@Glory2Snowstar]

I have a tradition of watching your videos whenever I’m at a special house by the cape. They’re so cozy :)

[@cowkip]

Gonna do a wombo combo of reflect type and synchronize, starme is a bout to hard carry, and Miracle eye actually saved me in one of my runs. Very niche move, but useful if you have nothing for dark types.

[@snoozbuster]

You ever heard of a move called rototiller? I never saw it before playing through ultra sun for the first time recently. I think there’s a lot of weird moves in gen 6/7 that got abandoned in the move to the switch games

[@monopolyrubix1875]

The Shadow move factoid is wrong. Shadow moves can be used by the player, and they only have a physical-special split in XD. Colosseum only had one shadow move, which was physical.

[@GohTheGreat]

Pokken tournament players could never forget miracle eye. It allowed both Shadow and Normal Mewtwo to perform an infinite combo.

[@Thomas-hx3pr]

Miracle eye found a niche in fanfiction. Psychic types are difficult to write around on account of their telepathy. In universe it makes it difficult for authors to have characters keep secrets when a passing psychic type can just scoop them out of the character’s mind. As a result authors tend to either counter telepathy with other psychics or dark types. This is where miracle eye finds a niche in either interrogation (read crazy invasive mind reading). Alternatively, fanfiction plays it fast and loose with the only knowing four moves rule. It gives psychic types more of a reason to use miracle eye when you can use more of your movepool than just focus miss.

[@cooloak8096]

I've read a few fics where the main character is a Zorua or Zoroark, and sometimes Miracle Eye comes up as a plot point. I'm specifically thinking of one where Ash is a Zorua, and [SPOILERS for chapter 50 of Zorua Trainer by FriTik on AO3- I highly recommend reading it first] He (and another Dark-type who was there at the time, and also a Riolu for some reason?) gets cloned by Mewtwo, but *not* controlled to fight himself. Mewtwo does know Miracle Eye in the fic, and he even uses it earlier, but it wore off, and Mewtwo is too confident in himself to bother using it again, which eventually allows Ash and the gang to stop him.

[@piemanlad]

Funny enough i actually did use aridos to catch the legendaries in my playthroughs back when i was a kid 😂 i dont think i knew about meanlook at the time and somehow ran into figuring out about spiderweb so trained up a legendary catching aridos every playthrough 😂

[@PokemonWoop]

That's epic

[@Hydrocannon]

8:15 "Most forgotten Psychic type move" he says... COMPLETELY FORGETTING KINESIS EXISTED SINCE GEN1

[@MortChrist]

You are absolutely correct about your ending realization. And then again, seemingly useless moves do exist for more than flavour's sake. Some are just game freak experimenting in different ways, but moves can absolutely also exist for educational purposes for players. And that's okay, just like Brock's Onix and your average evil team grunt exist for similar reasons.

[@CoralCopperHead]

Your final point reminded me of something I read from one of the Magic: The Gathering devs. Don't remember it exactly, but it was something like "There are four factors that make a card terrible. If it fills between one and three of them, it will be literally unplayable. If it fills all _four_ of them, *_someone will win a tournament with it."_*

[@ArchonKain]

Oh yeah! I remember using Captivate all the time when I was doing the Pokemon contests to get every ribbon back in Pokemon Diamond, good general move you can add and remove with little consequence as a Pokemon is leveling since you'll have moves to replace later down the line

[@Regular-Sized]

Bruh 9:50 I really needed to hear this right now. The timing is kinda freaking me out lol This popped up on my timeline and, while I was listening, I was also thinking less-than-kind thoughts about myself. So yea, thanks. Imma keep trying my best and adding a lil flavor to the world 😂❤️

[@PokemonWoop]

Hey, that's awesome! Hearing that someone's been positively affected by my melodramatic ramblings is really heartwarming

[@Jaknife101]

I didn't know "powder" was a move until just this year. Almost expected it to make it in here but ah well, it's either not that not that obscure or so obscure that it was overlooked lol

[@Jaknife101]

For those curious, it's a move only known by Vivillion. It damages the opposing pokemon 25% of their max hp if they use a fire move after being hit by it. Very strange move.

[@PokemonWoop]

I actually talked about it in part 2 of the forgotten moves series! That one had a very weird oversight to it in Gen 8 that isn't super well known

[@MarcBrightside]

I did actually get some use out of Miracle Eye, once, in a Platinum Randomiser. It was the only way I could break through Mars' Skuntank at the Valley Windworks. Now, Wonder Room, Eerie Impulse, Synchronoise, those are moves I've never even considered using.

[@thecryingsoul]

"What's your purpose in life?" "I'm here to add flavour when contrasted against better people"

[@Shinyeeveelutions]

I love the music you used in this video. So relaxing

[@TheSassJacket]

This is edited like a "My parents farted under my blanket but I don't have any proof" creepypasta.

[@PokemonWoop]

Yeah that sounds about right

[@Zealous0ne]

Reflect Type did have a niche in Gen 7 OU by Mega Latias. Calm Mind, Stored Power, Reflect Type, and Roost. Alternatively it had a use on Mega Lati on defensive sets with BoltBeam + Roost and Reflect Type. The first set was used as a check to Clefable and unaware mons. Stored Power + CM would brute force Unaware mons with high BP and Celf as a staple mon would get checked with Reflect Type. Was one of my favorite sets when climbing OU since I was a huge mega Latios/Latias fan.

[@spaghettiking7312]

I like how the content is completely wholesome, yet the editing makes it look like a creepypasta.

[@bmac4]

Something worth noting about the physical/special split is that it was basically always an option to apply by the Pokemon Company, at least in Gen 3. For starters, by this point contact and non-contact moves were already a thing. As well, according to an old user who goes by the name Doesnt who made a patch for applying the gen 3 phys/special split to fan mods, there's a byte in the data of every move where if it's set to 0, the move is considered physical, 1 makes it special, and 2 makes it non-attacking.

[@luisivanpozos2090]

Love this videos, some of them make me remember my silver and sapphire playthroughs, thanks

[@PokemonWoop]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@KevinEontrainer381]

I actually used Reflect Type on an ally Zoroark in a link battle to fool my opponent. It was a Latias Reflect Typing a Zoroark disguised as Infernape. Seeing my friends face doing 0 damage when using Psychic on my Latias was priceless

[@RoarkeIsBored]

Ngl I thought Reflect Type was a Mystery Dungeon exclusive move or something since I only ever remembered seeing it on my most recent playthrough of Super. I think these moves are pretty neat even in niche and situational and I feel like you could possibly make use of them if you plan things correctly, and I think they add nice flavor to the Pokémon that use them

[@PokemonWoop]

Yeah, even though many of them are pretty terrible in a normal playthrough, I think that they add some nice flavor for those who want to try something unique

[@Imamotherfreakingavocado]

I've never known what captivate does, you're telling me it's just a worse version of eerie impulse 💀

[@timboslice8559]

This guy gets so deep about the intricacies of pokemon and I love it! Subscribed

[@ALE98TROLL]

I used miracle eye on my "Keikei" Kadabra to beat Cynthia's Spiritomb in my first gen4 playthrough. What a memory

[@mattevans1643]

I used its counterpart move foresight, which instead of removing the dark type, removes the ghost type. Which makes it weak to fighting.

[@PokemonWoop]

I guess that's the charm with these rare moves! You'll remember specific times where they came in handy

[@maestro9765]

I wish I had read this before. Spiritomb was horrible for me with my team of only psychic and ghost pokemon. Ended up having to use cheesy substitute + disable strats with Kadabra to disable shadow ball, followed with a barrage of ice punches from gallade. I could have used Miracle eye, but the problem is that Spiritomb would've knocked me out on it's turn after using miracle eye and I didn't want to lose my Kadabra just on the first round, especially not since it was my strongest actual Psychic user. All the other ones I had were mixed attackers.

[@rainbowdash8003]

Physical/special split was coded into gen III. Some moves make contact, and others don't. But instead of using that for damage category they trolled the players with things like Dark type Physical attackers.

[@pxm2337]

Contact is an entirely different concept from physical/special attacks. There are physical attacks that don’t make contact and special moves that do.

[@ShrexyGuy]

Exactly, this dude is kinda fuckin dumb. And judging by his intro to the next move overreactive

[@SirToastyToes]

Reflect Type was part of my strategy for SOS chaining Larvesta in Gen 7: you need to be Ghost type to prevent the Larvesta from KOing themselves with Take Down, but also Fire type to prevent burns. Thus a Smeargle with Trick or Treat to make them a Fire/Bug/Ghost and then Reflect Type to copy it There's also the concern of 1% Volcarona spawns with Whirlwind, so you can Ingrain with Smeargle and then Baton Pass to Mew who can Reflect Type

[@Leto85]

Badly descripted moves remind me of the Dutch handbook for Pokémon Red and Blue staring that by using the move Substitute the created clones would fight independently. This got me so hyped to get Substitute on my Mewtwo, but no: no extra fighting clones.

[@SwerveStarEx]

Miracle Eye was probably an attempt to do something like Foresight and Odor Sleuth, which allows Normal and Fighting moves to hit Ghosts. Unfortunately for Miracle Eye, the users of those two moves aren't weak to Ghost.

[@MortonGoldthwait]

It's so much fun to watch that one second where ads try and fail to bypass AdBlock.

[@guillemtb1671]

I remember Miracle Eye so much I gave it to a fakemon I made! It was obviously a filler move and it was only there because it fitted its Pokedex entry, but still.

[@Mage_Nichlas_]

There's also another instance of a Pokémon wrongly being given an -s for the plural of it. In Sun and Moon if you talk to Alolan Professor Oak(I think in the library), he will ask you about the local variation of "Persians" when talking about Alolan Persian.

[@HideoV]

That Onyx ppkedex entry implies that the digglet tunnel ending in Pewter and Rock having an Onyx are connected! Cool

[@CovenantAgentLazarus]

I don't see how anybody who has been playing Pokemon since day one, doesn't already know all of this.

[@xXfireball127Xx]

The atmospheric music and sound design is insane in these. I feel like you must study or be a professional in sound design? It's like...unreasonably good. Keep it up :))

[@LanturnsPannies]

Another great update from the legend Woop 😺👍

[@Labyrinth6000]

Don’t forget Bronzing line for some unusual reason can learn Steel wing in Gen 6 when the TM for Steel wing used to be something else that was more fitting in Gen 5.

[@JDoradoTube]

Your voice over is easy to listen to and binge. A lot of poketubers have shrill and booming voices, so it only holds my interest for so long 😂

[@AnneALias]

Your final comment really surprised me and was so healthy and respectable that I immediately turned around from what I was doing and liked and subscribed. Thanks for being you, man.

[@shylar763]

Reflect Type is a cool move but it's main drawback is how it's use is very situational

[@trevorstevenson4038]

Make Nightmare only castable when the pokemon is asleep, but continue even if the pokemon wakes up. Make the weather condition Hail, cause all normal and fighting moves to have 30% recoil, cos how much more does it hurt to hit your hand in cold weather.

[@Inukitsoq]

Ever considered making non-Pokemon related videos? I feel like your editing and commentary would fit many other topics as well - though I'm not at all complaining about Pokemon content

[@PokemonWoop]

It would be interesting, but I'm not sure if there would be a great overlap in viewership

[@weedleenthusiast7882]

I legitimately combined Miracle Eye with Mind Reader, because of them having an overlapping effect, so I was like, "How are you forgetting the Miracle Eye into Sheer Cold combo on Articuno!?" And then I realized that Mind Reader is what I was thinking of

[@weedleenthusiast7882]

So the only niche use for Miracle Eye I can think of is for like, hitting a Drapion super-effectively if you don't have a ground type Pokemon

[@chrishandsome6542]

I feel like these moves existed in the sake of unacknowledged battling evolution to come. Which never came but it was thrifty to add them just in case.

[@howdytherestranger2139]

Woop: obscure and useless moves Competitive Pokémon players: hold my shiny charm

[@Lukke0]

I love your content so much, its incredible how different your pokemon videos are, the editing is amazing as well, keep it up man!

[@Pandacalifornia]

I was considering using Miracle Eye on Gothitelle with Stored Power since it could trap the opponent, but by the time I thought of it, it was in Sword and Shield and I think it was removed.

[@thoopsy]

Shadow Moves can be used by the player, but only for a little bit. When you catch a Shadow Pokemon, its moves are Shadow Moves until it begins to trust you and open its heart, and you'll slowly unlock their REAL moves. I guess there's no way to use them in competitive matches, but when I think of using moves I mostly think of the main story.

[@CardKingAce14]

while working on my move dex, spotlight and mat block were the last two to obtain. also funny how they removed spider web and instead gave ariados an even more obscure exclusive move in toxic thread.

[@kalosianporygon]

As a Diglett fan, I'm shocked to hear "Digletts" as a valid plural form.

[@guardianeifie]

In addition to the plural of a Pokemon being the same as the singular, the plural of a basic Pokemon can include a group of Pokemon that evolve from it! It's correct to say "the Zubat are swarming" when there are Golbat and Crobat mixed into the group, but incorrect to say "the Golbat are swarming" if there are Zubat in the group (and still correct if it's a group of Golbat and Crobat with no Zubat in the group).

[@EebstertheGreat]

I could never understand why Constrict was so bad. Its power is just shockingly low, and the only pokemon that learn it are Tentacool and Tangela, who already know Wrap, Bind, Absorb, and Water Gun. It's hard to imagine why you would ever choose to use it.

[@kylewagoner]

I definitely used Airados a ton in Gen 2 and def used that move to catch Entei, Raikou, and Suicune.

[@zeckemyro7031]

Magneton's gen 1 Pokédex entry also uses normal plural as it mentions MAGNEMITEs. Every other gen keeps that s out, though.

[@Mrtyjr]

Regarding Miracle Eye, you say resetting your opponent's increased evasion is way less useful than if it would have reset your lowered accuracy. For that you already switch out but if you're stuck with an opponent that's very defensive and used many double teams, helpful moves would then be never-miss moves like Swift, but also Foresight, Odor Sleuth and Miracle Eye that brings increased evasion (not lowered) back to normal and I believe even for the remainder of the fight, so if it continued to increase its evasiveness it would be ignored by the user of Miracle Eye and in double battles your other Pokemon would also benefit from it. Still a very situational move but quite an interesting one that they came up with.

[@ttarzzxz3711]

Hey, I remember miracle eye cuz I know it was used in one of the PokeStar studios movies cuz those are like mini puzzles. I think it was for the horror zombie movie one where you only have a sigilyph and the opponent is a dark type alien thing. I have vivid memories of that and the wonder guard dark/ghost type where they give you Soak on a basculin so it's susceptible to an electric move they also give you

[@MISTERLOLCRACKERS]

The physical/special split, in a way, happened even earlier. Starting in Ruby and Sapphire with Rough Skin. Only moves that make physical contact will trigger it regardless of type. You could call this it's own thing though.

[@goronberry]

Physical and contact moves are 2 different things though. For example earthquake is a physical move but it doesn't make contact so it isn't affected by rough skin or other abilities that rely on contact moves

[@robertlupa8273]

@@goronberry Also Overheat made contact in Gen 3 for some godforsaken reason. :v

[@YawnBlue]

I love how this video has the vibes of a "mysterious folk tales and unsolved murders" video.

[@stardmg]

I *was* thinking that maybe the Nature Power oversight being present in Emerald is due to Emerald being built off of Ruby and Sapphire, but then strangely enough Emerald has the *entire* soundtrack of FR/LG in its code for some reason, so maybe it was developed concurrently with Emerald?? If so that makes the Nature Power screw-up remain just as confusing...

[@zesty2538]

I wanted say the move Teleport but then i tought of its outside battle uses and remember always picking up that trade abra in Oreburgh city for fast travel purpose (Before Fly) and how nice it is to teleport back to a poke center instead of having to go all the way back if i had to backtrack somewhere to pick up a tm or item

[@OryxTheMadGod3]

Great video, gonna go watch the other 3 now

[@danielleanderson6371]

Miracle Eye is really just a psychic version of Odor Sleuth or Foresight that affects dark types instead of ghost types. I've gotten plenty of use out of Oder Sleuth in particular in gen 3, where Double Team is absolutely rampant; I imagine there's gotta be a few people who kept Miracle Eye for a similar purpose, though I'm not sure is Double Team is as common in gen 4.

[@maestro9765]

You know what, I'm keeping Miracle Eye for on Kadabra just because of you.

[@SantaKUN38]

reflect type is actually really useful for ti@s and starmie since it makes them resist most pursuit trappers, it used to be very common in gen 6 to have reflect type as an option for teams that were reliant on starmie or tias to check keldeo, since they would else be way too easily caught off guard by ttar or even bisharp. with reflect type starmie you could check their moves, scald burn and recover any damages with little to no risk !

[@armorbearer9702]

(1:54) I like your idea. Personally, I would prefer the move be a gamble version of Attract. Instead of a three stage drop, keep the two stages, but give the move a 50% chance of infatuating the opponent.

[@SilphBoss]

Lol had a feeling the plural pokemon was gonna be from gen 1, definitely an oversight

[@ADSBlue44]

It’s so funny seeing Miracle Eye on here cuz I was playing USUM with my bf and he was only running alakazam and couldn’t get focus blast yet, so miracle eye was a godsend for him lol