Police grab air rifles from pest controller and charge him

[@SilverDomUK]

£180 for a doctors note is the real crime here!

[@johnclements6614]

It depends if you think the business or the tax payer should pay. GPs start on about £70k, add in holiday pay, pension, NI, sick pay, insurance the cost of the building etc and work it out as an hourly rate.

[@nettrawler1202]

@Dirpitz I agree but the buggers know they have the public over a barrel.

[@johnclements6614]

@Dirpitz There is a shortage of GPs. If you want to make it harder to see one make more leave.

[@dcarbs2979]

@@johnclements6614 Thye rate he earned from that medicale note is about £2k an hour. Takes just seconds to sign a generic form.

[@fozzer2211]

I think the GP needs to be arrested..put in custody and be taken before a court and made to pay the loot back ...hes probably stuck it in his arse pocket!.. if it was paid by card he's probably sent it to his own account..180 for a doctors note !!! are them cunts taking the piss or what? OR is it THE SYSTEM OVERALL!!???.. whats the bleeding ell going on lately???.. poeple getting stabbed ect.. i rest my case ?

[@MysteriousMarsupial]

Imagine if the UK police actually arrested criminals for a change

[@arcadeuk]

That's not what they are there for 🙄

[@Benjamin.Bushcraft]

Meanwhile… 3,300 people arrested for thought crimes and Internet “hate speech”. Smh. I believe in the value of a police force but this kind of stuff is enough to make me want to join the “defund the police” movement.

[@BobbyBadger]

@@Benjamin.Bushcraftwell said

[@ChoppingtonOtter]

But thats difficult and criminals might argue back. Far easier to get your statistics up preying on normal citizens. I worked for a Police force for 20 years and watched the standards of recruitment plummet. It ended up that egotists and those who can quote PC mantra or are from a protected group are pretty much guaranteed entry. Very little common sense approach anymore.

[@naebob11]

​@@ChoppingtonOtterthat's exactly it, they pick on the easy targets who are normally decent people doing nothing wrong. But then don't even turn up to investigate burglaries etc, police have become an absolute joke. Seems like they're trying to hide the fact they can't solve real crimes.

[@edwarddebenham1416]

Just goes to show you are guilty before you are innocent

[@Steve24339]

Innocent until proven guilty. NO. Guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. And even then the plod wont believe you.

[@andyalder7910]

Have they locked him up? If it's about the right to carry a gun then he has to prove competence so yes, assumed guilty until passes a test again.

[@elliscaparros8826]

Sounds like andy should be deported until he can prove he's a british citizen... lol

[@andyalder7910]

@@elliscaparros8826 It's the same with a driving license, you must inform DVLA about it and you normally lose your licence for 6-12 months.

[@andyalder7910]

@@elliscaparros8826 It's the same with a driving licence, get a bleed on the brain you must inform the DVLA and you lose your license for 6-12 months irrespective of any fault on your part.

[@stevejones9763]

It's your GP that should be charged, for charging you £180 for about 10 mins work

[@funnyman9616]

General practices do not write anything down. They have templates that they write into them print off. The person only did like two minutes worth and charged him that price

[@thecrocandsweepshow611]

The GP has the right to change whatever they choose for the service by paying you consent. The actual issue is the misinformation said GP provided which could be crimes in themselves- subject to a court decision.

[@Jafmanz]

@@thecrocandsweepshow611 You have no option but to consent because there is no alternative means... it's a monopoly...

[@realPromotememedia]

And effin up your livelihood

[@smilertoo]

Depression? Unless it's severe half the police force armed response units would have their licenses removed.

[@kevinparker461]

And how many plod charged with rape & murder have been allowed to carry firearms?, Couzins & Carrick are at least two &, there is more!!

[@pussypostlethwaitsaeronaut8503]

Actually, licences is the plural noun in the UK; 'licenses' is how they spell it in the USA. Are you American?

[@redacted629]

It would be interesting to get a Subject Acces Request (or private investigative journalist) to see how many police officers had such a medical note but were either accepted for duty or are active members with firearms. Although dangerous, air rifles are less lethal than gun or assault rifles. I find question in assuming a previous state of mind (at best) to the mindset of someone presently, or is a sign of possible depression now a life-long disability?

[@Yorci62]

Yep and many of our Royal Navy, Army and Royal Air Force would not be allowed to use firearms. This is disgusting, stress and depression is their diagnosis if they don't know what to write. Since all this mental health business started several years ago, I have never trusted any of them at my GP practice, I have had cancer, have diabetes, high cholesterol and my COPD can be bad at times. But, I always say I am wonderful, life couldn't be better, unless I have a physical ailment that needs the doctor's assistance.

[@SBanderaB]

but the are the police who are creating the fascist police state the left is looking to create

[@anonet78]

Never ever trust a cop or gov.

[@ForTheTeoma]

Read a book called: Meet your Strawman. 80 pages of eye opening realisation about your existence as a Man Vs the Person. Then you've go to unlearn a hell of a lot!

[@MarkTrentham-t4h]

What's the betting, they end up fining you in the future if you don't. ;).

[@childofthe60s100]

OR a weapon holder!

[@tamzy4825]

Of course not , no reality of real life, and incriminating peaple pushing a 🖋️🖊️ pen 😮 seen it many times 😮

[@That0Homeless0Guy]

Or your GP apparently. Wouldn't be surprised of his GP is against firearms and decided to just lie in the medical report.

[@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756]

I am much more concerned about the mental health status of serving police officers, than I am of this young man.

[@fredgillespie5855]

Most farmers have firearms and lots of farmers suffer from depression so we are told.

[@AmandaBell-lc7uk]

@@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756 indeed. Problem is a farmer can get a fire arms certificate and one of the rules is they are 50 metres away from nearest neighbour. John Wayne here lives on a street. It’s a no from me. That poor bird caged is also very sad.

[@AmandaBell-lc7uk]

@@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756 police are horrible people. Corruption is at highest it’s been. My estate is full of them.

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

You’ve not given any reason, nor do you need to I suppose. Fine, whatever your reasons for being more concerned about mental health of serving police officers (and there will be some for sure who suffer from depression at PTSD from all the horrible deaths and scenes they face in their careers). I’m happy to tell you that you needn’t worry, those police officers don’t have firearms either, and if they applied, they would also be denied due to their mental health concerns.

[@JonnyD3ath]

@@AmandaBell-lc7ukyou could live in the middle of London and still obtain a firearms certificate. It’s got nothing to do with living near a neighbour.

[@philipmichael4106]

As our police force leadership appear to be insane expect more of this.

[@mrradman2986]

Police state.

[@rock2k14]

All on the Taxpayer pound, lovely isn't it.

[@sailormanoyster1849]

@@philipmichael4106 the police online application software is a nnightmare

[@mrlittlemouse1]

​@Dirpitzdunblane was orchestrated for this reason

[@lal2300]

Its only to be expected when the kowtowing wokeraty wriggle to the top of the heap! 😡

[@Jones-xx2gc]

The police will be gloating now that they have removed firearms from the streets of Britain. Will look good for their statistics though won't it.

[@sicks6six]

that will be marked up as illegal firearms seized, the people who do bad stuff with guns never tell anyone they have them,

[@TheGreatest1974]

Yes. It will obviously mean zero gun violence from now on! (Sarcasm!)

[@childofthe60s100]

Bring it on!!!! WHY does any sane, sensible, educated person think that they NEED firearms. Acquiring a firearm is a statement of intent to use it!

[@Jones-xx2gc]

@@childofthe60s100 Really.

[@TheGreatest1974]

@@childofthe60s100 someone gets into your home in the middle of the night. Their intentions are to murder you and do the unthinkable to your wife. And they would be very confident of doing just that- until they find out you have a gun. Then they run for their lives. That’s why everyone should (and has) the right to bear arms. To protect yourself and those you love, from the very worst of society.

[@cedhome7945]

First rule of control.... remove all potential weapons from the population, ....

[@snowflakemelter1172]

The UK, population has never had any level of arms ownership that would be of any concern to a hostile government since the longbow.

[@MELLYBOY58]

@@cedhome7945 stop chucking those bloody spears !!✌️✌️🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@Baron-Ortega]

Tbf there are millions of legally owned firearms in the uk

[@Burntheflock]

@@snowflakemelter1172 I guess you have never heard of privateers. Englishmen used to be able to own the stealth bomber of the times.

[@jonathanpipe8249]

Gun laws are draconian! All about removing weapons from law abiding people !!

[@chrisjohn4101]

Member or not, BASC should be all over this with a legal challenge to sue the Police for victimisation - it's time the BA got off their asre and did something useful.

[@daemonharper3928]

@@chrisjohn4101 His medical record showed mental health issues, he didn't inform the Police, they acted properly by revoking the licence and removing the licenced gun/s. The problem here isn't the police, it's his interaction with his Dr, and how the Dr recorded everything on the medical record. If anything it's a warning to us all to be absolutely crystal clear when talking to health professionals about ourselves. Or maybe the Dr genuinely thought he was depressed and treated him accordingly? We'll never know.

[@quillo2747]

​@@daemonharper3928 I had eczema on a medical report that stopped me from getting a job. I've never had eczema, never been treated for eczema and the first I heard about it was in the rejection. GPs record every slightest possibility as if its hard fact. Most people dont know what's in their own medical records.

[@CS-zn6pp]

​@@daemonharper3928 The fact it could be as simple as a disagreement between how the GP thinks he is feeling Vs what he thinks he is telling the GP. He might have said "I'm feeling a little down" and the GP records it as depression. The end result of this is anyone who wants a licence is never ever going to mention any mental health issues to their GP, however slight because it's not worth the risk.

[@gibbs677bg]

@@daemonharper3928 And It's easy to explain everything perfectly when you're feeling unwell.

[@highlandsprings5752]

@@daemonharper3928Then why change him? Are you Scottish?

[@berniecoles2337]

I’m an ex gamekeeper and when I broke up with my ex I intended to go back to being one. My young daughter told my ex that she wished to come with me as she has always loved the country way of life and fieldsports. Next thing the police turned up at my door which shocked me and confiscated my guns and licence, saying that during break ups they often do this. It led me to believe that my ex had obviously gone to the police and told them that she must have feared me using them against her, knowing that without my guns I wouldn’t be able to go back to keepering, thus knowing my daughter wouldn’t then come with me. I never did get my guns or licence back and had to follow a different path of career as a child care officer. In hindsight I should have got BASC onto the case, but at the time I was so upset by everything I never bothered as I was too preoccupied with our divorce settlement at the time. Fortunately as soon as my daughter left school she came to live with me anyway.

[@timwright5466]

My dad and I were keepers the outside world always interferes in somthing they know bugger all about ..I'm 65 now and look at all this shit with anger ..bloody town folk .

[@edeledeledel5490]

I wonder if they suspend police officers, especially firearms officers, if they are involved in a domestic dispute, domestic abuse, or a divorce?

[@timwright5466]

@berniecoles2337 the BASC are a waste of time ..they don't want to know if a domestic incident has occurred..

[@youtubeman5033]

One or two nutty ex wife’s about, my daughter move in with me at age 10,

[@imaginaryfriend9655]

Unlike the US there isn’t a statute of time involved in a case here in the UK, I would look into getting your case reopened with the police and get a good lawyer or, the police and government will just keep doing what they did to you to other people…

[@waikanaebeach]

The police are completely the wrong people to administer firearms. Half the police could not get a firearms licence. There needs to be one national body that licences and the police should be required to get a licence as well… why should they be exempt?

[@perarduaadastra873]

Any contact with Police places one at risk of harm.

[@edeledeledel5490]

Wayne Couzens , convicted police officer, guilty of rape, kidnapping, and murder, as well as episodes of domestic abuse, and indecent exposure, was a firearms officer for over 10 years.

[@waynelewis5656]

'half the police' couldn't get a licence? Nonsense

[@edeledeledel5490]

@@waynelewis5656 They give 'em out like sweets; Wayne Couzens, indecent exposer, domestic abuser, kidnapper, rapist, murderer, was a firearms officer for 10 years.

[@waynelewis5656]

They give what out like sweets?​@@edeledeledel5490

[@tomthompson7400]

Its not the legally held weapons that present the danger to the police and public .

[@keziasarah]

Yeah sure.... "Jake Davison, who killed five people, including a young girl, in Plymouth was a licensed firearms holder, police have revealed." - Aug 2021

[@mgreenesco9955]

You fail to realise the actual intent. They're not at all concerned for your or anyones safety, it's the coming assault on your freedom they're actually plotting for.

[@David-xp7sr]

Tell that to the victims of Ryan and Hamilton, both used legally held weapons to commit their crimes

[@lal2300]

But it’s too difficult to stop the illegal guns; they can’t even stop people 😡

[@tomthompson7400]

@@David-xp7sr fair point , but its not the norm statistically speaking.

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

It's only going to get worse , bloody air rifle ffs

[@CharleneRees-g8j]

Yea it is going to but its not gust an air gun !! This is why people say its just an air gun !! Can still kill you !!

[@fredgillespie5855]

Come to Scotland, you need a police license for an air rifle.

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

@@fredgillespie5855 No thanks 👍🍻

[@DaleArnold-u3h]

Fac air rifle is a firearm.

[@JonnyD3ath]

@@fredgillespie5855same here in NI but we also still get handguns, so swings and roundabouts 😁

[@marco_0599]

Arrested for wearing a loud shirt in a built up area late at night.

[@surfaceten510n]

Wasn't that the same guy who was triangular with a squiggly bit at the bottom.

[@unclegreybeard3969]

Ah, a 'Not the nine o'clock news' sketch by Rowan Atkinson being quoted..

[@OldNavajoTricks]

And not forgetting 'Walking all over the place...-

[@ddoherty5956]

How can a police man remove the tools of a mans trade without a Judges ok when a bankruptcy case can not?

[@snowflakemelter1172]

Are shovels licensed?

[@ddoherty5956]

@@snowflakemelter1172 It's an air rifle! My 11 year old has an air rifle!

[@snowflakemelter1172]

@@ddoherty5956 are 12 ft lb air rifles on an FAC in England ?

[@michaelwoffindin]

He's the wrong skin colour for this new government.

[@ddoherty5956]

@@snowflakemelter1172 Not in England no. The stupidity hasn't got that bad yet!

[@thepenultimateninja5797]

I can't believe you need a license for an airgun in Scotland.

[@loc4725]

Although in fairness Scotland does have some very sensible laws, this just isn't one of them. And the fact that it hasn't been repealed is itself a warning: bad laws tend to be very hard to remove from the books; it's much better to act _before_ they get that far.

[@thepenultimateninja5797]

@@loc4725 Yeah, even in America, where gun rights are protected by the Constitution, an unconstitutional law can still stay in place for years as it works its way up through the court system.

[@just-gaming213]

It's absolute madness, especially when you can buy a crossbow capable of going through a riot shield like it's made of paper online with zero checks.

[@steve00alt70]

In NI u dont

[@davidbarclay2032]

In N Ireland you have to have a certificate for Airguns, but you can have FAC rated Airguns if you get a certificate !.

[@ThunderChunky101]

This is absolutely mental.

[@stevegray5709]

Yeah. This is the incompetent UK.

[@Screwpaulrose]

Poor choice of words lol

[@loc4725]

That's one way to phrase it.

[@ThunderChunky101]

@@Screwpaulrose It's the correct choice of words.

[@ThunderChunky101]

@@loc4725 It's literally insane. The state have lost their minds. Totally.

[@dandrslater6255]

We need someone to protect us from these individuals who have too much power, it is frightening.

[@childofthe60s100]

Yes - the individuals owning weapons - they DO have too much power, at their disposal. They must feel very insecure to imagine that they need a weapon!

[@davidkeebles7827]

​@@childofthe60s100it isn't a weapon. It is a tool, just like you

[@fredgillespie5855]

It is frightening, it is Great Britain. Never mind, another two or three years and they will start conscription - then they will give you a rifle and bayonet tell you to go and defend them.

[@derealovesurvival7549]

Yes the satanic elites They own many deadly weapons including nukes?,,,atb

[@shropshireladoutdoors743]

Sounds like the Dr is an anti

[@kenbrooks7794]

yes, there is that..... Fair point!

[@nettrawler1202]

£180 and mental health problems the chap didn't know about, could be a stitch up.

[@shropshireladoutdoors743]

@nettrawler1202 cost me £75 for Dr letter you should ask for a copy of your medical records under gdpr and dispute anything that has been put in it without your knowledge if anything that will put you in good stead for a complaint to the general medical council

[@shropshireladoutdoors743]

@nettrawler1202 should ask for a copy of his medical records if there is a problem report the Dr to the General Medical Council

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

​@shropshireladoutdoors743 Unfortunately, this gets you nowhere if the doctors even hint you have a 'mental problem'. Not even the medical council will touch it. And any hint that you have complained or asked for copies of your record results in them 'losing' or altering records suggesting/labelling you 'unstable'. And with that they withhold and deny existence of those records. Trust me, I've got the T-shirt on that one.

[@carllockpick6179]

Disgusting.

[@childofthe60s100]

Yes - SOUTHPORT where a weapon was used WAS disgusting!! Think of all the dead innocent people killed in gun crime and stabbings! The USA should serve as a lesson for us all. Why does anyone feel the need for weapon ownership????

[@RickRando001]

​@@childofthe60s100Throw away everything in your kitchen and eat your Sunday dinner with your fingers. Why do you feel the need to own knives? 😂🤡

[@franktuckwell196]

If he was suicidal, then why would he be interested in getting his knees fixed? Also sounds as if his GP broke his hypocratic oath.

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

GP didn’t break his oath. Part of the application for a firearm is to consent to the GP sharing the medical notes. This man consented, he instructed his GP to send the notes to police, and furthermore he did so while also stating he did not want to see the notes prior to them being sent. All that is part of the process. If you think the police have received this man’s application, then gone to the GP requesting info, and the GP has released it to them without consent, then you are completely wrong, sorry to say. The police react to these applications, they inform the applicant of all the information they need for a decision to be made. All is above board and transparent with this, don’t worry. It is all being dealt with properly and in line with procedure and within the law and obligations.

[@dm1126]

Are they applying the same criteria to the Police I would think not

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

Yes, same criteria being applied to the police. Very few police, even those in Firearms roles as their job, have a personal firearms certificate. When police apply for one of those, it is separate to their job, they cannot be held in favour due to their job, all criteria in their application form must be to show a ‘good reason’ for owning and holding a firearm which cannot reference their job. Same as every other human being. Don’t worry, it is all happening fairly.

[@briankeeley3379]

I WOULD CONSULT YOUR LAWYER. SUE THE ECESSARY PEOPLE. COPS HAVE T GOT ENOUGH KIDS TO ARREST. THEY LOVE TO GO O T T !!!!!

[@johnross7630]

the trouble is the filth know how much it costs to take it to court and most people can't afford it

[@childofthe60s100]

Doesn't the low mentality of a "gun owner" suggest dealing with the issue by using the weapon????? Boys with guns - pathetic Wild West mentality!

[@_Jonez_]

Judges are corrupt and can convict without evidence. Happened to me. Nobody is coming to help us.

[@blackwingvisuals5017]

It's lawfare period! Any excuse to remove! And you don't have the money to respond!

[@mightyfinejonboy]

would the police not have investigated the severe assault on him or was it just a case of giving him a crime number and classed under job well done? they should have at least had him as a victim in their records of crime numbers?

[@tanner2stryker2]

Absolutely crazy every body has mental health at some point in life it doesn't mean your a danger to anyone .no more than a gun grab I belive 😢

[@Ian-zb3rp]

It's not just firearms, as a result of chemo I have a little peripheral neuropathy and as a good boy I followed the law and reported this to the DVLA. They wanted to take my full driving licence and give me a medical driving licence, with the help of a letter from my GP (she diagnosed me) I fought this and kept my full licence. For the record my peripheral neuropathy doesn't effect my ability to drive in any way and I did offer to pay for myself and undertake any medical the DVLA required.

[@ng4410]

In Aussie.older people with diabetes issues. Risk losing drivers licence. Drs reporting to traffic department. Then have to fight to get it back.New policy.

[@berrytyrant]

@@ng4410 Yep...here in UK too..regardless of your age, it is automatic shorter term licence and regularly applying to continue with it. . And then you have all manner of people with unhealthy lifestyles that are more in risk having heart attack behind the wheel....or how about those who are court drink driving...drug users etc. They have to highly over the limit ...otherwise they escape with fine or just a slap on the wrist.

[@methylene5]

My goodness, you told the little jobworths at the DVLA what??? You really should've known better. The way they'll look at it is that if you got into an accident then it would be the DVLA's fault for ignoring the medical symptoms, or even getting sued in the event of an accident. Best to say nothing unless absolutely necessary, as you found out.

[@bartonseagrave9605]

The Government are scared.

[@vipertwenty249]

Governments got scared at the end of the First World War and they're still scared to this day. Back then it was communist revolution they were scared of, now it's the opposite revolution they're scared of. How times change - or don't, as the case may be.

[@TheBaconWizard]

No

[@vipertwenty249]

@@TheBaconWizard Correct, but perhaps we citizens should be.

[@TheBaconWizard]

@@vipertwenty249 You sound like a yank.

[@jjhw2941]

It's like the end scene of Starship Troopers with the Brain Bug. "It's afraid!"

[@perarduaadastra873]

The only safety is to remain hidden within the herd of certificate holders. Anyone who stands out and comes to the attention of Police has one thing and one thing only perpetrated against them: negativity and harm.

[@clivemathieu9386]

The police are broken

[@mowerman60]

Until the people of britain stand up for themselves,nothing will change.

[@ClaymateDesigner]

The original assailants were probably never caught or charged, so they came after this guy. Box ticked, as far as the police go.

[@lewisgough8472]

I had similar with my renewal. I was told from a work union to go on the sick with work related stress because of a misconduct in my work place. 4 years down the line after seeing my GP I put in for a renewal and it was brought up In my records of mental heath and offered counselling to support me. This was not case it was just for a sick note to stop work contacting me in the middle of an investigation! Luckily they understood and I wasn't having a mental breakdown.

[@josh985tv]

Disgusting overstep again by police.

[@rosscookson]

Why do you think this is over stepping their authority? Once again the Fieldsports Channel have only reported half the story and made it look as though the police have over reacted. I cannot believe that this man has no idea why his doctor may have submitted an opinion that he has potential mental health concerns or has been treated for depression? Either of these are reasons to refuse applications and that is why they are seizing his existing weapons. There will be an appeal process but everyone appears to be quick to blame the police and not the individual?

[@Vstacol01]

Exactly. The amount of work that go into collating the information and processing these applications would surprise most members of the Public.

[@xvofusions8279]

its a pellet gun how can you commit suicide by shooting yourself with a pellet when you have a kitchen full of knifes are they going to take his kitchen knifes

[@JammyDodger45]

I had something very similar happen to me. I've had a near 30yr unblemished military career (25yr as a regular, almost 5 as a Reservist) with near constant access to seriously destructive weapons, ammunition and explosives and I've managed to never go loopy and cause any 💀. Recently my local Youth Cadet organisation didn't have anyone qualified to run firing ranges for them and since I hold the highest level of infantry level weapons range qualification I said I'd do their cadet clearance and help out. I failed the Police authorisation. But even worse than that the Police wouldn't tell me why i'd failed so suddenly all my colleagues thought I had a ❌ against me relating to being with children! After getting a Barrister involved it finally emerged that when I'd had my ankle 'explosively redesigned' in Iraq 18yrs ago the Docs had told me I would probably be looking at an amputation and I said no way, that would effectively end my life (in terms of my military career and hobbies - climbing, mountaineering, mountain biking, skiing) and the military Doc had written that down as 'potential suicidal thoughts'. When I left regular military service I'd allowed my GP access to my military medical records and part of their process was to scan my documents (well over 100 pages) and the system automatically picked out certain phrases. It took me 8mths to get it sorted despite everyone agreeing it was obviously total nonsense that I posed any danger. Annoyingly the cadets were unable to shoot during that entire time despite everyone accepting it was an Admin error. The system is f'cked.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

The WEF have spent £billions to make sure its f'cked. The word you are looking for is Subversion. as Yuri Bezmenov warned 40 years ago see his lectures

[@richardhart7652]

The authorities are just hell bent on removing every law abiding citizens rights to own and use (legally) any sort of fire arm or air gun

[@childofthe60s100]

There isn't "a right" this isn't the USA!!!!! The gun massacres, in the USA should serve as a reminder, why that particular part of the constitution was very ill conceived! The point is, "gun ownership" and "law-abiding" are just not two phrases that sit well together. Using "legally" any sort of firearm........ - killing animals, from a cowardly distance, can hardly be considered civilised and certainly not "sport". Field SPORTS - what a ridiculous misnomer!!!!

[@stephenyates1415]

They want to licence crossbows and bows too.

[@BrainUser113]

​@@childofthe60s100 You will fit in well with the mental health patients that attend just stop oil marches All guns should be banned because of your vegan like views on killing animals?! Have you heard how ridiculous you sound. I couldn't care less like most of the planet and will continue eating beef, chicken, pork, duck, lamb 😋

[@TheLoneWanderererr]

​@@childofthe60s100you sound unhinged

[@timbrown8581]

Now you can't trust you Doctor! Tell no one anything, because it will come back to bite You!

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

Well they do tell you, "...anything you say can and will be used against you". If that's not a gloat/warning enough for you I don't know what is...

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

Yes you can trust them. Just don’t tell them you are suicidal and then expect them to withhold that from the police on a form you have consented to be shared with the police and instructed the GP to share with police. It is the applicant who was in the wrong here, not the GP or police. Can you imagine if this guy told his GP he was suicidal, then the GP withheld that info from police, and the guy got a gun, and killed or seriously injured someone with it? I am certain you and people like you would be the first to criticise the police for ‘missing opportunities’ etc. Your double standards are open for everyone to see. Correct procedures followed here, right information shared by GP, correct decision made by police. Simple. He isn’t suitable to own a firearm.

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

@RealityCheck-FYI You can't trust them when they falsely label you suicidal so that they can then withhold your records because said records prove they were incompetents/liars.

[@TheWebstaff]

​@@RealityCheck-FYIso who do you think is lying then? It's all rumours at this point but the guy was pretty clear he's never said anything about self harm.

[@higgydufrane]

Those that say if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about....... Pay attention.... Edit: this is also why people hold back from being open and honest with their GPs.

[@frog1686]

Agree People who make that statement are usually in a position much different from us plebs.

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

If you did nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Yeah, that is true pretty much all the time and this is an example of that being true. This guy told his GP he was suicidal. He then later lied (or conveniently forgot) on his application for a firearm that he at one point was suicidal. So that was wrong of him to do that. Also, it isn’t a reason to not open up to your GP. That would mean this guy who was suicidal would be lying in order to get a gun, by withholding his mental health issues from GP and police. I’m sure if he did that then killed or injured someone with the gun you’d be one of the first to blame the police in ‘missed opportunities’ and giving a mental guy a gun! Can’t have it both ways. He was honest with his GP, felt suicidal, forgot or lied in his application, correct decision made that he is not suitable to own a firearm.

[@keziasarah]

Never going to happen to me, Haven't been able to get a GP appointment for years....

[@johntheoldmod]

£ 180 for the greedy GP to drop you in it, says it all about the the state we're in now. next move is a change of GP, not that they are much different to one another now they have joined the junior doctors in their pursuit of more money for less work, there was a road safety campaign some years ago with the slogan "speed kills" it needs updating to " GREED KILLS".

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

Changing GP does nothing, because your records follow you, and the next GP just goes along with it, if you question anything you are told, 'take it up with your old GP', your old GP then says, 'not our problem, take it up with your new GP'.

[@Cryptohogg]

It’s good to have a lawyer on call for situations like this.

[@frog1686]

Police checking medical records. Now this is dangerous because GPs add things on to peoples records Assuming many inccorect things, I once went to GP. and as i was leaving i twisted my hip ,Putting me on floor , It turned out to be arthritis , But he said to me you should not drink this early in the morning , I was not a drinker,

[@carnbyarst670]

And the doctor should be charged with daylight robbery..

[@Robs.Outdoors]

Government want guns off everyone .. exactly the same happend to myslef. I once asked Dr for help with sleep and gave me which I later found out was also an anti depressant and police turned up took all my guns and said I didn't declare it on licence.. I ended up winning the guns back but it took almost a yr to prove that I wasn't aware that the Dr gave me the medication and then told them it was for a different reason

[@DeadMeat991]

Does the UK police EVER arrest actual criminals?

[@brianperry]

Since when is an Air-rifle been a Firearm..?

[@chris107892]

Since 2015 - in Scotland

[@EthanD2452]

Since the firearms act was written in 1968...

[@rolandrimann8788]

Anything over 12ft/lbs needs F.A.C.

[@madmeister407]

It's only rated as a FAC if it's an air rifle rated above the UK standard of 12psi. Europe has a limit of 16psi and the rest of the world have no limit. It's only the UK that suppress the use of air rifles above 12psi, why? God only knows. Why you need a FAC for an air powered gun is beyond belief especially when tyres on cars and lorries run at 30+ psi. Total control by the government and the cowardly police. Fot the record, air pistols are limited to 6psi in the UK.

[@DLC-sy7pp]

​@@rolandrimann8788And anything below doesn't need any kind of licence.

[@cliffordhammond01]

Soon you won't be able to eat with a fork or buy a bread knife as the dictator Starmer worries everyone is after him

[@loc4725]

The Tories were (shockingly) just as bad. Tory MP gets threatened with a machete? Ban them. People collect movie prop swords? Scary - ban them too. John Wick fan? Well, they're violent movies so better ban "Zombie Knives", whatever they are.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

@@loc4725 Theyve all been bought by the globalists, starting with Ted Heath 1971 his Gov told Judges, Lawyers and police they no longer had to learn and apply common law

[@douglassoal6196]

Everyone is after him

[@newname2600]

That Seinfeld episode is real. The UK is turning into a police state.

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

Not 'is turning', 'has been' for as long as I can remember, and I'm pushing 70.

[@gorddoc]

As previously said in the comment's everything you say to a medical person, GP, nurse etc is written down, everything!!!!!!!

[@carollane8694]

...until you have a case against them then all those notes can magically disappear

[@steve00alt70]

Confidentiality between dr and patient

[@Treblaine]

And some things you didn't say.

[@berrytyrant]

@@Treblaine This...they pretty much write some of their own stories to those reports to fill up a page.

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

​@@steve00alt70...thats a crock.

[@fellspoint9364]

Jesus Christ, now anything you say can and will be used against you in your doctor’s office !! That’s not fair at all.

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

It’s always been that way even in child custody cases they will bring up stuff from years ago.

[@wishfix]

Today's word is Fascism

[@tonywilcock6334]

Isn’t there any police ombudsman who can look into this ? You seem like a nice young man who just wants to get on with his life .Keep strong 👍

[@w1zardssleeve]

I had a very similar situation wrt mental health on my medical report. I wasn't aware anything was on my record and I was repeatedly asked during the home visit if I had suffered from any mental health issues in the past, I answered no each time, being in my mind 100% truthful. The officer said "I'm going to ask you one more time, and if you answer incorrectly I will have to decline your renewal". Apparently I suffered from anxiety whilst in the middle of a potential cancer diagnosis a number of years ago. Enough for it to be recorded as a mental health issue on my med record. Because I didn't disclose that on my application, (I didn't know I'd been diagnosed as such) it was grounds to not approve my renewal. Thankfully the Firearms officer saw sense and understood that I was genuine and he agreed that he also would be anxious going through that. (Was all clear in the end thankfully).

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

How can you even trust what the GP in Scotland will put on the form is not vexacious?

[@deriderex]

Never talk to piggies without a lawyer present. They are not your friends, they are not here to help.

[@TheWebstaff]

Also seems never to talk to a GP without a lawyer too.

[@FloweredUp-n4t]

And the plod wonder why we hate them?

[@anon6361]

We don’t. You and some others do. Don’t speak for everyone.

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

Nope, plod don’t wonder why people like you hate them. Most people who hate them don’t understand the legal system and what role the police play, which is fairly small in the grand scheme of things. Clearly you don’t understand and you think the police are responsible for a lot more than they are. In this case the applicant lied on an application form. GP was instructed by him to share the medical notes, he consented the, being shared and furthermore elected to not see the notes prior to them being shared with police… yes, he had the choice, it is in every application. GP did the right thing, police made the right decision. Simple, this man is not suitable to own a firearm.

[@coolvideos8864]

Brilliant that they provide mental health care outside the NHS for Gamekeepers etc. Good for them!

[@klausheisler5014]

Guilty until you prove yourselves innicent. That is how the law works for BRITISH people.

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

Sounds to me, this doctor needs a talking to. I think that medical records need to be reviewed!

[@perarduaadastra873]

You can refuse authorisation for your GP to send your medical report direct to Police. You can then ask to see your medical report and have a copy. Once you are happy with your medical report, you can then authorise it to be sent to the police. No one should be withheld sight of their private medical details.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

Its all digitally networked everywhere, the data protection act isnt worth the paper is not written on

[@RobertSmith-qs8yl]

if the applicant sends the GP report then the Home Office Statutory Guidance has not been complied with, that potentially is then cause for them to revoke your certificate, but yes do get a copy from the GP.

[@perarduaadastra873]

@@RobertSmith-qs8yl Absolutely. There’s no problem with one’s GP sending one’s medical report direct to Police licensing. It’s just more appropriate that a certificate holder has it sent to them first prior to authorising a copy to go to Police. Hubristic of authority negative towards all 600,000 certificate holders that this right is not stated in the Guidance. Guidance drawn up by civil servants is only Guidance and not Statute Law. I know, having just spent two weeks in the dock before a High Court Jury. Having fully complied with Home Office Published Guidance did not stop instantly shutting down without nuance, balance or proportion our family sporting gun business for over three years ongoing, a mindless prosecution, a hate crime in every way except current Statutory definition. Prosecution emotionally driven negativity bias without any reasoned basis in science, logic or law. Such is their negativity towards sporting guns. Target sports license holders are treated no better than persons on the Sex Offenders Register, for we have guns in addition to P_ _ ises. Treated no different than an ethnic minority in Germany between 1933 and 1945, they take away our business and livelihood in lawful commerce, take away our money, threaten to take away our home, and threaten to take away our liberty for half a decade by making deliberate false representation legitimate, known and accepted Section 1 sporting gun designs validated by Statute and by multi agency published guidance, falsely and maliciously prosecuted as Section 5, despite our possessing correctly authorised Section 5 firearms. The only thing they are not going to do is take us into the showers with Zyklon B. Establishment hostility has engendered misfeasance in public office deliberately deny access in the U.K. to a none adversarial product validation mechanism for sporting gun designs. Civil servant negativity bias rendering only criminal prosecution of their customers, prosecution of their own paying clients as license holders. In the same way the Grenfell Tower fire disaster was not a failure of the System but a system deliberately designed that way, and The Post Office Scandal is not the only scandal in Government, where civil servant administrators fail to take in full their moral, ethical and intellectual standards of private life into their working life. Where they manifest grotesquely lesser standards in public life, rendering the banality of evil, as civil servants seek to take no personal responsibility. Some say the country went to the dogs generations ago, now they say it’s what comes out the back end of the dog. The U.K. has violated the European Convention on Human Rights which enshrines a right to property, to engage in lawful commerce and to do so without being placed in fear, constantly threatened. We may have no choice but to leave the U.K., the country we love, in order to find safety, security and liberty, free from persecution and oppression, free from hatred, malice and lying, where the culture of sporting guns is not outcast as morally and socially unwelcome and unacceptable.

[@bikerfirefarter7280]

Hah! You can ask, but if anyone has put on record (even as a lie/ vexation/malice) that you have any hint of 'mental instability', that excuses them from giving you access to that/any record that 'might disturb you'. And with that they can deny existence of such/any records and ignore any requests that you submit under the data protection acts.

[@smokeybarr]

So he paid £180 for a doctor's note that was full of errors? I hope the GP got a knock too!!

[@tiredoftheentitled9009]

Easy policing and pointless

[@antonywilliams5703]

So we're told we should talk about our mental health, only for it to be totally misconstrued and used against us.

[@joshuakeith6445]

Feels like they were so excited to remove your guns they forgot to find a reason.

[@johnsshed995]

whatever happend to Patient confidentiality ?

[@phillipsmiley5930]

GPs work for the State not you. If you went private you could insist on Patient confidentiality in your contract with them, and if they then betrayed it you? could sue them for breach of contract

[@RobertSmith-qs8yl]

No GP report no firearms or shotgun certificate, The concern is how a GP records a consultation that then a few years latter gets misunderstood possibly by a different GP and then results in a GP report that causes this to happen to certificate holders.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

I used to be a "Mind" charity Counselor in the late 1980's into the early 1990's i gave it up when Mind contracted to the NHS losing their independence. My Notes that were counselor client privileged, became no more, they were claimed by the NHS. Those who pay the piper play the tune, The State is not your friend. NHS GP's are owned and answer to the State that pays them. Not to you. Tell them nothing, they can and will ruin your life

[@JHattsy]

Exactly. I've had an interest in going hunting now I'm 27 as my Father did when he was in his 20s into his late 30s, I imagine I would be declined my firearms licence or my airrifle licence as I, as many teenagers do nowadays, told my GP I was depressed when I was 17. GPs are not your friend, tell them what you need sorted & nothing more, request to see your doctors notes yearly & review them - if there's issues bring it up with the front desk & demand to see the doctor who wrote them.

[@Zaf2010]

How absolutely ridiculous

[@grahamherbert3612]

The Stasi 'police' are skating on very thin ice.

[@johnclarke7626]

Dear British friends, Here in the U.S. they are trying to do the same. They started with our military veterans. Those who asked for help with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder often found themselves disarmed. Twelve vets take their own lives each day, and we know that among them are men and women who will not risk losing their constitutional right to arms. Then veterans and others who went to accountants or family to help with legal and financial affairs were categorized as "incompetent" and were disarmed. Anyone merely ACCUSED of misdemeanor domestic violence can lose their guns. It used to require a CONVICTION on a FELONY charge. We see the cultural change being forced on you in Britain and in mainland Europe. It's tragic. Our federal government seems to feel the same as yours about immigration. There's still hope. Do not go gently.

[@COLINSCARBOROUGH]

It pays to review your records occasionally. I had a bad bout of sepsis on '23 and came close to checking out. My wife and daughter are nurses and spotted a DNR (no resus) on my records that was never approved by me. I wonder if I'd still be here if things had got just that little bit worse. Forms are filled out by fallible humans. Check.

[@erikthenorviking8251]

They are only too happy to stamp DNR/NFR on your notes, but God help you if you book a one-way ticket to Switzerland. They are mostly brain-washed control freaks who can-t stand patients having a difcerent opinion.

[@pictlandpickers1171]

Basically everyone during COVID was put on a dnr. Very disturbing

[@scottoxley8137]

Can't even get an air rifle in Scotland with just about anything at all that could even be slightly seen as a negative!

[@garytaylor8121]

I had the same problem ...I had illness which gave me hypoxia..taken into hospital...After acting crazy and short of breath. Tried to renew my shotgun licence ( held for 32yrs ..clay shooting) The doctors report listed my aliment ( hypoxia) the firearms authority took this as PSTD ( I EX MILITARY 16yrs service) They refused to renew my licence. As someone in London ( ex military) with PTSD shot his wife with his shotgun in a rage??

[@conan2096]

taking away someones livelihood is bound to help them with depression

[@rockettman2025]

Bottom line, dont say anything to your doctor, sounds like they're weasels

[@GunnyUKsarge]

Their mindset to disarm everyone is much deeper than most realise. Imo this has very little to do with individual or public safety compared to their true motive.

[@aadrianlee]

What the F is this country coming to 🤬👍🇬🇧

[@RobertHunter-u5o]

like this man my son was jumped and had a fractured scull ,then after leaving hospital the firearms officer phoned him to tell him that they were sending an armed response team to confiscate his legally held air rifle in case he shot his attackers. i later spoke to a local firearms officer who told me that the general police officers where told to grab any airguns they could even if the owners held the appropriate license,with the story of you will get them back after we have finished our investigation ,but with no intention to return them.

[@GeraintHughes-pp1cy]

in some ways i get why the police don't want people who are suicidal to have access to guns but sub 12flb crazy and surly if the gp thought there was risk of self harm why did'nt they get/offer him treatment. if we all lost things that could harm us just for feeling a bit down at some time there would be nothing

[@boogieknee3781]

Ok.Lets follow the logic trail.....did they ban him from working with poisons? I would be more worried by him driving a vehicle whilst depressed or having access to household cleaning materials. Or a small bag of flour ,a small candle and a foot pump.* *combine those last items with a classic physics lesson.😺

[@GeraintHughes-pp1cy]

@@boogieknee3781 i agree and that's basically the point i was making but i just did'nt list the ways of harming yourself

[@kevinparker461]

Both the same, NHS Doctors & plod ponce their money of the tax payer! Not really to be admired, in fact their choice of employnent is a bit susspect! And its obvious neither are doing the job they are paid to do. No one can see a Dr & if your house gets broken into or your car gets stolen you wont see plod! ...Both useless & need to be sacked!!

[@drsnooker1776]

Fuck any form of gun control.

[@whitetroutchannel]

something more here than meets the eye

[@fredh3186]

The gp is a quack and should loose their license

[@redplanetplasterer]

What a disgrace.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

Police state and dictatorship comes to mind.

[@chapmasi]

Having worked for one of the largest Police constabularies in the UK.... this is purely about stats. This is another number towards "We got X number of dangerous firearms off the streets" - even though they didn't

[@steventhomas8514]

Sounds like a dodgy doctor.

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

Nope, not dodgy. GP was instructed by the applicant to share the medical notes, GP was informed by the applicant that he was feeling suicidal (no timeframe for that so it could have been years previous, but that is immaterial). Applicant also informed the GP he didn’t want to see the form prior to it being shared with police… yes, he had the choice of that as well. Simple. GP shared the right information as instructed by the applicant, police made the right decision based on information supplied by the applicant and GP. This man is not suitable to own a firearm.

[@richardough5004]

A lot of people are getting the wrong end of the stick regarding firearms. This gentleman was asked to take on deer management. The minimum calibre to safely shoot deer is .243 centre fire (Muntjac), and if you are after larger (Red Deer), then you could be looking at .308. That is serious firearms and not licenced air rifles as required in Scotland. (even FAC). They'd obviously previously issued him with an air rifle cert. If he'd not applied for a full FAC for the deer management, then this would never have some to light.

[@benwright3314]

Unfortunately you're wrong... Muntjac can be taken with a 22 calibre bullet with a set weight and velocity requirement, same as CWD in England+ Wales. Roe can be taken with the same again north of the border. A .240 again with a weight and velocity requirement is the minimum for anything larger

[@danbanks1010]

Aren't your medical files private and confidential?

[@phillipsmiley5930]

No, they arent your files, they are the GPs and he is paid by the State

[@RealityCheck-FYI]

They are private and confidential. They are only allowed to be disclosed on permission by the person to whom the medical information relates (or in VERY extreme cases if ordered by a judge). In this case the applicant actually instructed his GP to share his notes with the police, he also chose to not see the notes prior to them being shared. This entire case was instigated by the applicant himself, who himself told the GP he was suicidal (no timeframe for that but it is immaterial) and later instructed the GP to share his notes with police. GP did what he was instructed, police made the right decision based on the information they were provided.

[@paulbucklebuckle4921]

It's a miserable country we live in .

[@louiseburnett5795]

W O N K Y W O R L D

[@wolfe1970]

All this has done is stop anyone who has a firearms license seeking mental health support when times can get tough

[@JustAGuy93-G]

I was honest when applying for mine at my recent history. I don't get it as there are so many things your doctor knows they should discuss with you beforehand that may be relevant to disclose to the police. This is what my GP did with me. They should speak to you about the misalignment on the letters rather than flat out accusing you of lying.

[@TheBILLANDERSON]

if the there was suicidal thought the doctor would have made a 👉🏻referral to seek Psychiatrist help ,which will state this on his records if he refuse treatment that also will be on his record if that is not on his record,,, then it is the police officer making a "persevered" statement = opinion but not a "fact"

[@leevespa4564]

Really hope he gets his guns back......I can understand if someone has mental health....then that can be a no no.....but this lad,as far as he knows....hasn't.....good luck mate,hope you get them back....👍🏻

[@eugo5578]

wow wat bull

[@1961UK]

Thats crazy then again so is the world we live in

[@pbmltd9023]

Let this be a lesson to those wanting to jump on the 'mental health' bandwagon, they will use it against you one day so keep it to yourself. Could be a job, could be child custody, but they will do it and you will regret it.

[@TheJpf79]

Ever since a man walked into a primary school in Dunblane, which is 40 minutes away from my house, Gun laws have been taken VERY seriously here. Hopefully this man can get what ever it is sorted, yet these aren't toys we're talking about.

[@MRxr400]

how's the GP's form? This GP should be disqualified for providing false reports

[@keziasarah]

Wake up - There's more to this story than what's being told in this video...

[@MRxr400]

@@keziasarah i assume you're talking about disarming the population? I'm aware, and live in Australia, where they are at us all the time.

[@bodge6886]

Never tell your doctor how your feeling 😂😂