Huw Edwards and The Sun (don't buy it) | Pubcast special edition

In this special edition of the Pubcast, we react to last night's news that Huw Edwards was the BBC presenter in the scandal propagated by the sun in the last week.
We reflect on the attitude of the paper to the presenter's privacy, the conduct of MPs and the media at large during the controversy.
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[@redscouse8568]

Don't buy the sun, unless there is a toilet paper shortage. People are still being publicly condemned if you are seen buying, carrying or reading it in Liverpool.

[@oneoflokis]

💯👍

[@ionnanskilliorus6877]

I'd wipe my arse with a hedgehog before I'd buy that rag. It's not even the level of toilet paper.

[@oneoflokis]

@@ionnanskilliorus6877 😂😂👍

[@za.307]

​@ionnanskilliorus6877 Someone was handing them out at the Train station. I said "Can I have two.... just the right thickness to collect the Guinea pig poop in our outside hutch". See it does have a use.

[@RichieBedfellows]

Reminds me of walking down Breck Rd to a game in the 90s and some middle age fella about 20 yards in front with a copy of a folded newspaper in his arse pocket. A little scally, around 10-11 ran past us, snatched it out of his pocket, slapped him over the head with it and ran away. When we caught up there was a copy of the s*n on the floor and this fella scratching his head looking like a mix of bemusement and outrage. Until my mate told him why the kid had done it. Just don't buy the s*n.

[@monged4life442]

"Public interest and what interests the public are not the same thing" I really like that statement.

[@bertiebongo]

"Public interest" = So we can sell more copy. That is The Sun's reason for printing any salacious story.

[@Angela-wi7sq]

Yeah me too. The comedian Jonathan Pie has done an excellent piece on this (and the Huw Edwards situation) - it's on his youtube channel and well worth a watch.

[@JohnPreston888]

The reptiles responsible for "The Sun" are brilliantly parodied by Chris Morris in The Day Today. (It can be found at 4:24 in "The DayToday Episode 05 Magnificent". It lasts just a few seconds, but says everything about how some media outlets have zero conscience, and consider anyone in the public eye to be expendable.)

[@gwyneth7812]

a retired policeman said to me 'in the public interest is a misnomer, they actually mean in the government interest.'

[@tbe3124]

Never buy the sun

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Or fund the BBC

[@easytoassemble54321]

@@evolassunglasses4673 Nice try, Murdoch shill

[@purepeter4737]

BBC are trustworthy. All news sources are

[@Lovehors4s]

Why?

[@hanselmansell7555]

​@@Lovehors4sbecause lies.

[@SirWhig-esq.]

The Sun (Murdoch) needs to expunged from all forms of business.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

It's free choice to buy it or not. Unlike the TV licence fee.

[@LS-xs7sg]

This supposedly racist islamophobic media conglomeration hasn’t exactly had much effect has it? It supported new labour and then the tories. Both pursue mass immigration. It is all rhetorical intended to distract traditionally minded patriotic types. The policies remain the same

[@1inchPunchBowl]

@@evolassunglasses4673 Incorrect. Go away & have a little think about what you said & see if you can think of scenario where you don't have to pay the license fee. Take your time champ. No hurry.

[@ljt3084]

@@evolassunglasses4673 It sells itself as a newspaper, which is very misleading. Standing as a moral arbiter of the people is pretty hypocritical after publishing images of a topless 16 year old and hacking a murdered 13 year olds phone and painting her as a slag. Murdoch was 32 years old when his second wife was born. All of his wives have been 20+ years younger.. Begs the question how many underage affairs Murdoch has paid off in his past that remain buried. He appears to like them young. Oh and his Chief perv at Fox news that was ousted only after he was reported by co workers. "I was the youngest-ever Page 3 girl and I did all kinds of things they weren’t supposed to do" ~Sam Fox in an interview with the Guardian 2018.

[@easytoassemble54321]

@@evolassunglasses4673 It's nothing like "free choice" when it is omnipresent, monopolising, and has politicians terrified of what its editors will do. Think harder.

[@IndieGems2]

Don't look directly at The Sun - It will make you blind.

[@GulliversFlo]

Facts

[@Esther-Pesta]

If no laws were broken then it’s nobody else’s business apart from those directly affected.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

yebutNoBut liseNse fEe's inNIt!

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

I'm forced to pay £159 to fund these perverts. It's my business.

[@Wackaz]

Nah, adulterers should be publicly shamed.

[@Zikar]

@@Wackaz Why? Unless they are some kind of moral crusader whose public image relies on them being faithful it's not really are business. We also don't know what the situation is like for his wife and family. Maybe his wife knew, maybe she didn't but would rather to have no had all this pointless media attention on her family.

[@taras6806]

@@Wackaz that's ridiculous.

[@yesno9374]

The fact that the Sun has 'clarified' (walked back) their statements tells you everything you need to know about the criminality.

[@WhichDoctor1]

The truth can be threatening to those who make money from lies

[@stevedavis3828]

@MattBrocklebank How exactly? Edited, when do the BBC lecture on morality?

[@yesno9374]

@MattBrocklebank I think the guy was calling The Sun liars, not the BBC

[@yesno9374]

@MattBrocklebank it's quite different shit tbh

[@monkeymanbob]

I would also like to remind everyone that when Bill Wyman (then 47) was dating Mandy Smith (then 13) The Sun (amongst others) had no problem with it.

[@lightweightben]

The fact his son married her mother is also incredible

[@avakholwadia1420]

I thought of that yesterday.

[@imsoboredhahaha]

The media shouldn’t have been treating this story like it’s an episode of The Masked Singer. It shouldn’t have been “who do you think the nonce is?”. They should have waited until the story was fully announced.

[@DannieGemz]

Trust the Sun to drag someone through mud before the facts are known.....

[@imsoboredhahaha]

@@DannieGemz I remember that happening to Charlie Sheen in 2015. The Sun ran the headline about a mystery Hollywood star with HIV and the mystery celebrity had transmitted HIV to individuals who he paid for sexual entertainment with. The story had clues from “girl 1” “girl 2” etc. They should wait until the full story is out.

[@snorlaxsleeps9700]

Fully annonced

[@becausepuppets]

THIS is precisely what Chris Morris' Bras Eye special was decunsteucting in 2000/1. The UK press and public discourse around this area is pretty poisonous and reductive.

[@savvyladylondon5841]

I completely agree.

[@r8chlletters]

Sun needs to be held liable for the tarnished reputations of all presenters who were harassed and for the invasion of privacy of ordinary citizens including the young man who engaged in a private affair with Huw. Don’t you people have laws there? How is Murdoch allowed to destroy innocent lives like this??

[@poultryfaarm]

We had Jimmy Saville here pal and this institution covered for him while he terrorised anyone who spoke out into silence, if questions are raised as a result of similar conduct, everyone has the right to demand answers. What happened over the years with Saville and the like traumatised millions who suffered similar or knew those who did and had to watch the consequences. If you have no empathy, try and imagine how people feel.

[@r8chlletters]

@@poultryfaarm this case is absolutely not that case

[@johnsinclair2672]

Jimmy Savile case was totally different. Savile’s sexual abuses were hushed by the establishment, who also indulge in such practices I understand? Conversely, the police say that neither Huw, nor his sex partner broke the law. It’s should have been a private matter between Huw, and his family!

[@madontherun]

There are so many right wing loons in this country that literally think the BBC is some kind conspiracy of padeophiles , how many in the last 50 years out of a staff of thousands , probably 5 or 6? This latest is deemed lawfull , but still idiots calling huw a nonce etc. and calling for the bbc to be closed down. ThNk god they’re a minority

[@miakeogh6844]

Poultryfarm this is not the same and if you cannot see the different I rest my case

[@justinedwards6175]

Quite a heavy scent of lives being destroyed to move a decimal with this one. Not for the first time, regrettably. Nor, depressingly, the last. Murdoch's top of my list for Rwanda.

[@6700cfh]

Apparantly the plane the Gaultieri dictatorship used during their terror campaign is up for sale. How fitting if it was purchased then used to deposit the aussie cvnt and his extended family in the ocean

[@SandymoorFerrariClub]

It's at times like this that I like to remind everybody that Rupert Murdoch's wife had sex with Tony Blair. 'allegedly'

[@anthonysmith8800]

Think of the number of toilet rolls every printed copy of The Sun could produce. Significantly better use of the paper

[@enemywithin1295]

Something weird going with this Huw Edwards case. The mother takes it to the press, the person who actually sent the pictures seemingly wants nothing to do with this. That coupled with the fact Huw spent about 35 grand makes me think he was blackmailed by the person, and now they're shitting themself because it's out in the public.

[@garyfryer5334]

The person is a drug addict!! Huw is a dirty b.....d which ever way you look at it, and they who defend him are no better!

[@allanmacbadger5692]

He has to have done something to be blackmailed, no smoke without fire!

[@darren_anscombe]

@@allanmacbadger5692 Sure but how is it anyone else's business ?

[@DamianO]

He's worth millions. £35k is not significant to him, nor is it as much as would be available from a man of his wealth.

[@enemywithin1295]

@@allanmacbadger5692 Well he's a rich, famous, and married person - easy to blackmail someone when they have a lot to lose!

[@1258-Eckhart]

I already think Liverpool is a cool place (no connections with it), but mega kudos to them for banning the Sun within their city limits. That probably does more for people's mental health than a clinic full of psychotherapists.

[@CastlesinTheWhy]

Obviously you've never been to Liverpool

[@AIBETTSYIA75]

It's like your house is on fire but you're staring at your phone going "nonce, nonce, nonce". Mortgage rates, food bills, energy bills, corruption and austerity are burning this country but we still have time to destroy someone over their private life.

[@poultryfaarm]

Ha! Believe it or not, from what I read about treatment and prevention of offending, as a potential offenders life hits the skids and they have less to lose the likelihood of offending increases. Part of the treatment of offenders involving cognitive distortion apparently may relate to them losing their quality of life, the various elements of the decline of society we are seeing noted are linked.

[@helveticaification]

@@poultryfaarm Those 2 branches of policy (and News coverage) are not mutually exclusive - unless you vote Conservative, of course.

[@MINI_JasperJunior]

And all the while, BoJo just sits at home with a cup of tea and a Netto 3.5kg box of broken biscuits laughing maniacally. 🙃

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Yeh but he hasn't been trying to bugger vulnerable druggies.

[@oneoflokis]

Yeah. 😏

[@oneoflokis]

​@@thegrandmuftiofwakandaHe's been doing much worse! Racist b*stard.

[@FatRonaldo1]

If Boris Johnson had claimed mental health issues would that have forgiven partygate?

[@oneoflokis]

@@FatRonaldo1 Would for some Tories!@

[@SimplySketchyGT]

The BBC and Huw should sue The Sun into oblivion. This is just an extension on all the things they are being accused of in court with Harry et al.

[@davidrussell7105]

Let's not forget that back in the day, the same holier than though newspapers who are now emphasising how young and vulnerable this man was, were posting stories about a then 16 year old Samantha Fox "giving up her A levels, for ooh levels", and a picture of her bearing her breasts. The rank hypocrisy here is unbelievable.

[@elizabethmarks4433]

As a woman, growig up in England, I had to sit on the bus to and from school next to numerous men reading The Sun and the other tabloids featuring nude women. It was humiliating

[@JohnPreston888]

I feel for you about the disconcerting use of people as objects. I watched a tiny bit of the "On The Buses" film and it was shocking. The Comedian, Stewart Lee, articulated a powerful, intelligent, yet still amusing point, by saying (I think in "Snowflake") that the Liberal and Woke thinking can have collateral damage when an inappropriate term leads to vilification and the loss of employment, but more enlightened thinking is better than what we had before, which was the entire 1970's...

[@elizabethmarks4433]

@@JohnPreston888 my experience led me to be one of the first generation to study Media Studies at college. It was politicising. Thanks for your empathy

[@ZiggyMercury]

One thing I feel isn't talked about, but should be: parliamentary privilege - AKA immunity - wasn't put there in order to allow MPs to knowingly and deliberately break the law, knowing that they're above it. It was put there in order to allow them to carry out their tasks without having to worry about *unknowingly* breaking the law.

[@andymoody8363]

I go here for news first, love what you do guys and tbh the country is such a fu****g dumpster fire it's good to have the pill sugared with a bit of wry humour. Nice work.

[@juliewake4585]

I’m glad you addressed the homophobia in the Philip Schofield case.

[@katjaxxx7353]

There is no homophobia. Who cares?

[@juliewake4585]

@@katjaxxx7353 erudite and thoughtful. Thanks.

[@supergustavus1503]

This maybe legally ok but the morals and ethics are on shaky ground at best. Also I’m getting Johnson get out of jail vibes arguments from this too. Plus what’s going on with the threatening phone calls. All of this from an individual who has enjoyed the status and privileges of being a bastion of propriety.

[@juliewake4585]

@@mmkk7836 it seems that you need an endorsement for a “lifestyle”, as you call it. Most gay people are just that and don’t need endorsements. Well done on your lack of empathy and compassion.

[@Angela-wi7sq]

Reflecting on this issue, I can't help thinking of Caroline Flack's death (and the events leading up to it). Public people aren't entitled to have private lives, and Huw Edwards private life is not in the public interest. It's about time Murdoch's influence was curtailed and his newspapers held more to account - the Levenson Enquiry is unfinished.

[@clivet3252]

Did you think of that when Dominic Cummings was being hounded by the press for driving to Durham?

[@Angela-wi7sq]

@@clivet3252 No. But I don't see a comparison between the 2 situations.

[@_7.8.6]

Caroline Flack was an abusive person by all accounts and when It came out in public, contrary to her squeaky clean persona , she did what she did

[@hanskneesun123]

An absolute nontraversy, that happened to break during a time when disgraced and habitual liar former Prime Minister Boris Johnson repeatedly refused to hand over his phone as part of an official enquiry. A government minister deciding to make a migrant centre less welcoming to children, a PM hiding from parliament, the former head of OFWAT refusing to apologise for their failures in that job from her new position on the board of a water company begging for public bailouts.

[@johnhood1779]

It's not just a case of "what this says about us as a society" - it's what it says about our media. You almost touched upon it, but it really doesn't reflect well on UK media

[@oneoflokis]

No. Read Hack Attack, by Nick Davies?

[@BobbyTastic]

I remember when my local shop was giving them away for free a few years ago (a publicity stunt by The Sun). Nobody wanted them EVEN for free!!

[@MattHealey.]

hope the sun gets sued out of existence. this is fucking awful behaviour even for them.And for the parents of this young person to use the sun to wash their dirty laundry and severely impact the life and health of another human being is disgusting. Let's face it the inpatient treatment is going to include suicide watch and as someone who has also suffered more than one mental health /depressive crisis I feel sick whats happened.

[@MattHealey.]

I should add other than my moral outrage at the way the sun and people online have behaved, I have had mental health crises in the past , depressive breakdowns and this hurts me inside to see some one else driven to the brink by a tabloid just for issues and clicks and because their owner wants to destroy the company they work for.

[@avakholwadia1420]

You are 100%. My ex has bipolar and suffers from manic depression so my heart goes out to them all. If he is in hospital it’s serious. I hope you are ok and wish you strength. Mental health doesn’t choose poor people it impacts so many different people in society.

[@MattHealey.]

@@avakholwadia1420 it does... its a sneaky bugger . Mine was cause by my dad passing away. I didn't break down till 4 years later. huw is further down this road than me but it's the same road. I feel so badly for him

[@avakholwadia1420]

@@MattHealey. I am so sorry for your loss. I didn’t know alot about depression and the different forms until my ex partner started with the manic episodes. I wouldn’t wish it on anybody. I truly hope you are getting the support and understanding you deserve. 🙏

[@_7.8.6]

The teen went public. It’s not a crime. Stop virtue signalling about mental health

[@callibea]

Best advice in a long time, can we add the Daily Mail in this advice?

[@roblewis8227]

Both Huw and Schofield were dragged through the mud without doing anything illegal.

[@purepeter4737]

😮

[@TheNotSoFakeNews]

Schofield maybe did groom a dude though

[@roblewis8227]

@TheNotSoFakeNews maybe. However, only he and the other guy know if that's true. All we know is that they met each other through work and started a relationship. Thats how many relationships are started. Until there is any proof of a crime, its not something that should have been made public. If anything, Huw's case is worse as there are allegedly multiple victim's and he pressured them. Yet he is getting a lot more support. Neither case would have made the news at all if they were not homosexual relationships, in my opinion.

[@L-1472]

You dont need to break the law to be a creep. If i acted like they did and it got out at work id be fired

[@roblewis8227]

@OL-1472 sure but your not likely to be outed by the press. If its not illegal then its a matter of morals. I don't think anyone wants the "morale police" poking into our lives and exposing us for things we would rather keep secret.

[@pandemoniumgaming6344]

Well said guys I've always hated how the media stokes stuff like this and everyone jumps on it and it's horrible to think in 2023 we are still at a place were this stuff is allowed to happen.

[@gazzalfc7230]

Every Liverpool fan and anyone from the city of Liverpool have been trying to tell you all this for decades

[@cdean2789]

I've always avoided the scum and the wail

[@MrBlackfalconuk]

Having been a victim of they said, this is a nothing burger, that should be investigated by the BBC HR, those making the allegations could either pursue it through BBC HR or the courts, to which the circumstances would become apparent. While in the Army (90s), stationed in Germany, like I said I was a victim of they said, without any proof, "Her dad beats her", that day I was in front of my Officer Commanding who demanded an explanation, then stated that my daughter (injured Party), my wife and I would be interviewed by the Social Workers the next morning. After the Social Worker had interviewed all of us, they discovered that the bruise on her leg was made when she took her bike down the stairs and the peddle caught her. The following day, eight of my so called mates put me in hospital for three weeks all because they said, they refused me to face my accuser. They said is not evidence, however, the accusation does more damage and gives those in power the opportunity to then go after the BBC for not controlling its employees, to which I would say to the U-Turn Party (tories) you have the same problem, bloody hypocrites .

[@oneoflokis]

Nothing burger! 0️⃣🍔! I like it!

[@mandywaddell1967]

Once your child reaches 18 they become an adult, as such, the Sun should never have gone ahead with this story. Particularly, as the young person then went to The Sun and also their lawyer went to The Sun and said it was false. What motivation was behind the young person's mother and step-father - especially when the step-father said they'd been told by the police "that no criminality had taken place but they didnt like the fact he was still on TV!" What was they looking for?

[@foxface6719]

Watching presenters learning lessons in real time on this pub cast. Great job and I appreciate the humility.

[@joshroberts3738]

Best commentary on this whole saga. Love this channel.

[@TreffpunktZoo]

Listening to these guys always makes me feel slightly less despondent about the world.

[@The_BenboBaggins]

This sorry saga raises many deep questions about the corporate media, the behaviour of celebrities, and the attitude of society towards the sexualisation of young people.

[@mikeyjones5901]

The fact that some of the presenters urged the individual to name himself, even though they were appearing on the BBC (which had taken the individual off air by that point) makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[@hatjodelka]

I remember the humiliation and fear I felt when a creepy man on the bus opened it at page three, held it up in front of my face, and made crude remarks about me. I'd not long started at secondary school. The fact they're being all santimonious when they had bare breasted 16 year olds in it and labelled people who objected as hatchet-faced puritans shows their hypocrisy.

[@a1white]

They actually did a countdown to Samantha Fox's 16th birthday and then printed photos of her on that day. Meanng the topless photo printed on page 3 was taken when she was under 16. Sun is absolutely Scum

[@SandymoorFerrariClub]

Any idea why Rupert Murdoch wanted to start up page 3, which distributed pornographic images of 16 year old girls (and possibly 15 year olds if Sam Fox's photo was taken before her 16th birthday) throughout the UK? Is there a word for the kind of man who is particularly interested in pornographic images of underage girls?

[@hatjodelka]

@@a1white Charlotte Church too in a 'no longer jailbait' type ephebophiliac frenzy or was that another gutter rag? Don't start me on the Mail's 14 year olds in swimming cozzies 'flaunting their curves'. I don't think they were even aware they'd been photographed. When Hillsborough happened I'd already been boycotting The Sun since 1969. Well, to be fair I only buy my local paper. Not that it's likely to survive for much longer.

[@hatjodelka]

@@SandymoorFerrariClub Pervy men who love money is my best guess.

[@poultryfaarm]

@@SandymoorFerrariClubI worked in the trades mate, copies of the sun/sport everywhere and yet there was about one bloke in 50 thought countdowns to 16 were ok all the others thought he was a **** and we told him so. I don’t think the majority of people agreed, they just didn’t speak out and accepted it was just the way it was, that’s changed for the better and maybe the Saville expose was the catalyst for this, plus the better elements of the me too movement.

[@psychologicalprojectionist]

The old "experts say". Isn't it funny how experts say exactly what the newspapers require for them to write the article they want to write. I am still mad at The Sun for Johnny Depp.

[@johnroche6333]

Good advice I stopped reading it ,when they started blaming the Liverpool fans .Enough is Enough

[@elizabethrobertson2045]

the very fact the sun is withdrawing what they initially said would suggest there is lies in there somewhere in what they alleged

[@richardwallace9378]

Discovered you guys a little while ago. Love your work, please the great content coming.

[@stephenglancy8551]

If Jeremy Vine continues to wear the shirts that he does then his position will always be harder to defend.

[@Thelma7361]

I’d be interested in seeing whether the BBC and the government change tact over the forced outing of questioning trans and non binary school children to their parents now that we can see the disastrous effect this can have on a full grown adults mental health let alone vulnerable children.

[@johnmccann5104]

Don't hold your breath on that one 🇬🇧

[@allanmacbadger5692]

There shouldn't be any trans or non binary school children, who is forcing this nonsense to school children?

[@racs9606]

You need to keep well away from children.

[@blackrider7631]

@@racs9606why?

[@throbbingflamimgo7865]

Tack not tact, sorry for the pedantry.

[@xdylanwx]

I wouldn't even wipe my arse with the Sun

[@einsteinscat1591]

What, not even page three?

[@moretimeneeded56]

There is one thing that is absolutely certain about throwing a dead cat on the dining room table - and I don’t mean that people will be outraged, alarmed, disgusted. That is true, but irrelevant. The key point, says my Australian friend, is that everyone will shout “Jeez, mate, there’s a dead cat on the table!”; in other words, they will be talking about the dead cat, the thing you want them to talk about, and they will not be talking about the issue that has been causing you so much grief.’ Boris Johnson Daily Telegraph

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

Words of wisdom from Boris? How very odd... {:o:O:}

[@philipcroucher7376]

"This is how you lot sound in the pub" couldn't be more accurate (if I could afford to go to pubs, that is, but the point stands).

[@grahamcook9289]

Better still, don't buy the Sun or a TV licence! 🤣

[@chrisewins836]

I really appreciate the perspective you both offered to this issue. Thanks guys, great work.

[@randylahey2607]

"This is what you lot sound like in the pub" makes me like this channel so much more. You guys are the best, first place I go for news.

[@JohnPreston888]

I second that. It's the first PoliticsJOE video that I have watched, and that short exhange between these two was both self-deprecating, and surgeon-level cutting skill. Brilliant. And refreshing.

[@dona9148]

Yes! What does all this Tell about us as a society?!!! Tho I am glad you have brought it round in the end with wit and humour 😅

[@andyholmes7901]

Cheers to both of you, interesting chat.

[@chrisbirmingham5132]

There are certainly a lot of families involved in this: mainly, the Murdoch family and all the families in the UK whose lives they are constantly trying to influence (for the worse).

[@rogerdines6244]

I had taken no interest in this matter suspecting that there was a human tragedy somewhere, and so it has proved: that parts of the media have used this to lambast the BBC is beneath contempt.

[@LimeyRedneck]

Really appreciate your measured discussion about specific and general aspects of this mess. Including Oli's self-reflection about The S*n and the calm difference of opinion at the end with Ava. Kept nodding like the Churchill dog 🤠💜

[@poultryfaarm]

Of course you did! It’s aaaaall about you in the end isn’t it?

[@LimeyRedneck]

@@poultryfaarm Wut?

[@TreffpunktZoo]

@LimeyRedneck I completely agree - this is the first place I come for news commentary. No matter how f’d up the story is, I always feel slightly better after hearing these guys talk it through.

[@welshaccenttutorials3104]

great discussion, thank you

[@foehammer5047]

I looked up the Sam Fox page 3 because I hadn't heard of it before and maybe the worst part is that they didn't even hide her age. The caption reads "Sam, 16, swaps her A-levels for Ooh-levels" They made it a joke. They considered oggling a 16 year old so acceptable that they made a joke about how she was dropping her education for page 3.

[@cobbler40]

Murdoch is very hands on his editors don’t publish without his approval

[@b62boom1]

I last bought the Sun in 1986, and that was just for the TV guide.

[@ianmason.]

I can say with some pride that in over 60 years I have never bought a copy of The Sun, not even to wipe canine excrement from my shoes.

[@oneoflokis]

Precisely. #DontBuyTheSun

[@psychologicalprojectionist]

On the basis of what we know currently, I am with Huw. I don't think he has done anything illegal or immoral and the overreaction is ridiculous as far as I am concerned.

[@helveticaification]

Well, we don't know, and probably never will, with any luck.

[@psychologicalprojectionist]

@helveticaification if we never find out, then it was not a serious issue for us the general public.🫰

[@Kylix_Astartes]

commentariat is not a word I’ve heard before but absolutely love it ! Ava thank you for introducing me to it !

[@haberjennings475]

I’m very glad we have a digital record of the insane ramblings of politics Joe. Huw Edward’s support dont look so pretty now does it?

[@babetopaz]

As the sort of great Brummie, Jasper Carrott, once remarked, "Can't even use the sun ( small "s") as cowing toilet paper as you put more on than you take off, Perfection.

[@adamfinlay169]

Rupert "we can't compete with the BBC despite owning a vast majority of the western media" Murdoch can absolutely jog on.

[@helveticaification]

👍

[@starmersbarber]

That was excellent commentary from both of you. Thanks.

[@Mr-th9vh]

Can't remember Philip Schofield being treated as nicely, hypocrites.

[@naderzekrya5238]

I agree. Neither was Andrew Tate

[@scooby1992]

@@naderzekrya5238 Wasnt he arrested in Romania for holding people against their will ?

[@gogobware1601]

@@scooby1992no

[@spartacusforlife1508]

The normal reaction to what huw Edwards has done used to be ,call him a dirty old man and laugh at him. What has occured here is a social media lynching.

[@WAYRAOutlate]

Refreshing for two people to disagree and not fall out, try to discredit each other, and respect each other’s perspectives. Noice

[@phil637]

Liverpool told us what to do with the SUN..after hillsbrough. it not even worth using for toilet paper.

[@netslayeruk]

Feels like stories and distractions to the nations real problems like this, just feeds apathy. Perhaps it's my naivete fading...

[@oneoflokis]

I agree!!

[@makabylie3796]

Please talk to the public ABT kabylia which is colonised by Algeria ,we seek an international help to organise an vote for autodetermination of kabylia . We are fighting pacifiqlly with the international right as written in United nation

[@davidbates3057]

I've always said that the mainstream media is very apt at taking a grain of truth from a story and twisting it to get the outcome they want. In that way they get to stand on the moral high-ground that they weren't spouting "fake news" while at the same time getting their intended response that's a total misdirection from reality from their audience. In the case of this story, if a high paid TV presenter had dropped £35k into the account of a junior co-worker for explicit pictures, regardless of if they were of consenting age or not, who was an addict looking to fund their vice, that's a scandal. It's a scandal because we all know that if the young person had been older or the presenter hadn't had £35k to drop, this event would have never have happened. It's an exploitation of power on a vulnerable person. But that's not what happened here at all. With clever omissions the so-called journalists and editors presented this story where, yes, £35k was exchanged by the celebrity, and yes, the person involved was an addict, but by not revealing the exact age, gender of the victim, or the context in which this exchange took place any reader will automatically assume that they were under-age and working at the same corporation. Because why wouldn't you? If that wasn't the case, then this wouldn't be a scandal! Yet here we are, where good hearted people are left feeling guilty and embarrassed all because some corporate dickheads in a so-called news outlet manipulated them with their words. Really, it's impossible to see how we as a society can move forward when the very pillars we rely on for our information are so corrupt and focused on political point scoring for the billionaires that fund them. And the BBC, state funded as it may be, is hardly innocent in this scandalous practice either.

[@albertbrammer9263]

You are forgetting the countdown to Maria Whittaker's 16th bithday. Thus the pictures were before her 16th birthday.

[@cabaretampere]

Given Starmer and Sunak's relationship with Murdoch it's clear that nothing meaningful will happen about the Sun.

[@1701enter]

I stopped buying "Papers" decades ago but especially the current Bun (one of my pet hates is or was buying a paper then realising it is total crap and I gave money for them to perpetuate this stuff) and so I now get to pick and chose what I read on line (and make comment when it is good or bollocks!

[@kevingunning7569]

I REALLY didn't like Ollie using the term 'Noncing' in earlier posts. For those that don't know, N.O.N.C.E stands for Not On Normal Circular Exercise when describing those sex-offenders who are isolated from the general population inside prison. Both Metropolitan and South Wales Police are satisfied that no illegal activity took place, and I would really like an acknowlwdgment and apology at this personal slur.

[@geoffpoole483]

I heard it stood for Not of Normal Criminal Element, which means much the same thing. I would expect a serious journalist to avoid using that term.

[@kevingunning7569]

@@geoffpoole483 Thanks Geoff. I believe the term was prisoner 'slang' rather than the explanation you have heard. I can't see most inmates using the term 'Element' can you? Cheers

[@markwelch3564]

​@@kevingunning7569I can see it, fits in perfectly with words like twoccing and asbos as slang

[@kevingunning7569]

@@markwelch3564 Good shout Mark!

[@plkrtn]

The big mistake you're making there is believing the person who asked Edwards to reveal himself, is somehow a friend. A colleague loosely, but I doubt either calls the other a friend based on the calling out action.

[@ianmason.]

If you seek out that particular presenter's (I refuse to call them a journalist) own KZbin content, where they don't have a producer filtering them, you'll discover quite how self-absorbed and self-regarding they are. I was total unsurprised at their attempts to get Edwards to throw himself to the wolves to save their skin.

[@trulymental7651]

I think the word that ex was looking for was supercilious 😊. You guys are right on this though. The whole thing is a distraction. I hope everyone concerned is left alone as requested.

[@M_Bamboozled]

I was fed up with this story as soon as it broke. If it comes from the Sun it's sure to stink. Fed up with the media and (no offence) journalists.

[@oneoflokis]

Me too!! It's all Flat Earth News, as a well-respected book said. 😏

[@janemacdonald3732]

The 1st words should be "Are you OK?" As per Holly. Followed by a pile of self-pity and I never knew. Honestly. The straight to some poor unfortunate child so we focus our attention away from the heard of ELEPHANTS in the studio

[@Bernaren60]

The sun should have published the young man's denial.

[@geoffpulham5032]

That would have scuppered the story. And it is what will screw them.

[@TheNotSoFakeNews]

I think the sun has every right to publish stories regarding someone using onlyfans. what i don't think they should be allowed to do is insinuate that crimes have been committed when they havent.

[@theredraven]

If this was a Tory MP you'd have been demanding their head on a spike.

[@helveticaification]

So you know for a fact that Edwards is a socialist, do you?

[@yvesetang8456]

Well done Joe please monitor the amount of times you say the word ‘like’.

[@georgeshaw8563]

I love this channel and the Pubcast but YES

[@robertbruce7686]

Like ... yes 😆

[@owenwalker7265]

If it was a drinking game. I would be face down in the garden after the first 10 minutes. Great content though.

[@geoffpoole483]

Ava's just as bad.

[@ivonaivona668]

Yes please!! Too much of that word in the media in general... So annoying

[@aredub1847]

bbc might have a problem with it, breaks their employment rules. cocaine is not legal. coercion is not legal.

[@oneoflokis]

Ha haha! 😏 I know for a fact that tons of high-profile media people are on it.

[@spewter]

Huw Edwards did nothing wrong but the Politics Joe tech staff have. They need to remove the mics from the table. Every tap of the table causes a bass thump to the ear drums of the headphones wearers. DISGUSTING.

[@BarriosGroupie]

Good points and... what did the mother of the teenager do with the money for her story, if she was paid? did she give it to a children's/drug charity?

[@BOZ_11]

It is a criminal matter. You need to be 18 to engage in prawnography

[@oneoflokis]

Yeah: don't let your kid go on Only Fans, then?? 🙄 (Stupid little bugger must have given them his mum's bank details. 17 is not old enough to get a PayPal account. Yet apparently there he was..)

[@Nickle314]

and handing over money for drugs is supplying drugs.

[@frankshailes3205]

"Middle England might have a problem with it." What about Wales? Edwards was a weekly chapel/churchgoer from his youth in Wales onwards, and a devout Christian, and a vice president of the National Churches Trust. I don't think the Church endorses such behaviour, so there is a risk of a charge of hypocrisy, and potential disapproval by his church colleagues.

[@rodbenson5879]

The full extent of the damage Murdoch has done to Western democracy over the last 70 years of his destructive life is horrible to contemplate.

[@azadrasheed497]

Who buys The Sun?what type of people waste their money on buying The Sun!!

[@rickatatastan2695]

The "What Phrase do we Use to Start Future Pubcasts?" edition.

[@jimrickety]

If it had been the guardian who broke the story would this breakdown have been the same?

[@markwatson7250]

Edwards is the face of the BBC being the main presenter of their coverage of Queens funeral and Charles' coronation - we all have to pay the licence fee out of which is paid his substantial salary. Of course his moral (mis)beheviour is a matter of the Public Interest and not just a personal matter between husband and wife.

[@YDdraigGoch43]

Poor guy, they're trying to destroy him

[@jimtoye2844]

Rupert Murdoch is the skid mark in the pants of humanity.

[@bensalt1185]

Considering the Sun and general Mail press likes to post stories about how much money women have made or make on OnlyFans....where do people think that this money is coming from?!

[@SirWhig-esq.]

The shadow of Yewtree’s outrage and the mismanagement of Midland will forever loom large.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Were you not outraged by the findings of Yewtree?

[@oneoflokis]

​@@thegrandmuftiofwakandaThey got loads wrong though, didn't they??

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

@@oneoflokis I note you haven't answered the question.

[@oneoflokis]

@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda What question?? You never asked one.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

@@oneoflokis I did, and I repeat yet again : Were you not outraged by the findings of Yewtree?

[@bernardh9994]

Just a 'technical' comment/question. Is it necessary to have such big microphones? They block out the person speaking in part. Aren't there 'good enough' lapel microphones which would do the job adaquatley?