Pornography is Good For Us

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Filmed at the Royal Institution of Great Britain on 23rd April 2013.
Hooray for porn! What would we be without it? Bored, repressed, frustrated. Porn nails the lie that sex is something we should be ashamed of. Porn tells us that that sex doesn't just come in vanilla flavour. Porn lights up the lives of the depressed, the lonely, the sexually unadventurous. It spices dull marriages; it brings excitement to relationships; it tells us where to look and where to touch. Porn allows the timid to indulge fantasies they'd never live out in real life and the adventurous to experiment with new forms of pleasure. Now that it has stepped down from the top shelf and waltzed across the internet we can all enjoy it without the stigma of being cast as dirty old men... and women. Secretly we all know it's one of the great pleasures out there: all that remains is that we stop pretending it's something dirty and come straight out and salute it.
Or maybe not. Is pornland really such a nice place to be? Far from nailing a lie isn't porn selling a lie: that women are always eager and willing to engage in extreme practices, that bodies are always tanned and buffed, breasts always pert, orgasms always explosive? Isn't this a recipe for frustration and disappointment? And to attract the restless voyeur, porn is always having to up the ante -- cyber-sex is getting ever harsher, more degrading, more extreme. Salute it? Why? When all intimacy is reduced to heave and thrust what scope is left for sensitivity and tolerance and love? And what kind of a warped, desensitised view of the world of human intimacy does this offer up to our children? Men finding it harder to be satisfied with their real world partners; women feeling inadequate and pressured to live up to the cyber-competition -- this is the reality of pornland.
So which is it -- the great liberator of the libido or a blight on human intimacy?
Speakers for the motion
Anna Arrowsmith - Pornographic film director working under the title Anna Span; runs a campaign site for erotic workers called www.WeConsent.org which campaigns against moral panics and anti-erotic industry legislation
Dr Clarissa Smith - Reader in Sexualities and Culture, University of Sunderland, whose research focuses on the everyday uses of pornography, and how the people who use it feel it fits into their lives
Speakers against the motion
Germaine Greer - Feminist author, academic, and broadcaster
Dr Robert Lefever - Leading expert on the treatment of addictive and compulsive behaviour
Chair
Viv Groskop - Writer and BBC Radio 4 broadcaster

[@klaatunecktie8682]

Imagine believing porn makes you free.

[@Martinusisko]

porn puts handcuffs on your hands and tightens them up continuously. personal experience..

[@jaredprince4772]

@@Martinusisko Only if you're into that sort of thing.

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

@@Martinusisko so you like that do you? Maybe you should do more of it and stop feeling so ashamed...

[@TorahObservantUnitarian]

😄😄😄

[@mariellencressman9624]

Pornography is desolation

[@naomisky5111]

I dont want to live on this planet anymore

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

Me too

[@tylermcclanahan8645]

My spaceships fueling up now if it blows up hopefully its far up enough to keep floating away!

[@One007]

You don't like planet but i think it human being that what is driving to think in way to no longer want live on this planet. Think on it. Same goes for i rather live in abandoned village or town than full of people likes of Mega city or urban areas.

[@ethanhastings7816]

Anyone who says it doesn't negatively affect his or her life is kidding themselves

[@lokerin493]

Then why are u listening? its like my friends from highschool whom were asking me why im taking music as a major yet they all listen to it are u kidding us? :)

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

Does sex negatively affect your life? Or the life of your unborn children? I think not. So how would looking at it harm you?

[@mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305]

I doubt it does if consumed in moderation, just like everything else.

[@Aethelbeorn]

It allows for orgasm. So there's a positive.

[@nordscan9043]

@@Aethelbeorn OK porn addict.

[@kschuman1152]

In response to the libertarian who advocates keeping drugs illegal as a way to bring enough pain into the lives of addicts to encourage rehabilitation: I had a friend who became fiendishly addicted to crack cocaine (which may be inevitable with that particular drug). Eventually he was arrested for possession and sentenced to several years in prison. My friend was of slightly below average height and weight. He served a year in prison and because he was not enough of a warrior to defend himself easily, was repeatedly raped in prison. When he was released he was on probation and had to report to a parole office and take regular drug tests. Any failure of a drug test, it was made explicitly clear to him, would result in a parole violation and would consequently be re-sentenced to a prison term. I let this friend stay with me in my apartment for some time after his release. He found a job and was a good roommate who never caused any problems for me while staying at my place. He was a funny, enjoyable to be around person. Unfortunately my friend was hopelessly addicted, and enjoyed his liberty for only a few months before failing a drug test. He was sentenced to 5 years in the state penitentiary. He was again subject to violence including constantly being raped in prison, and within the prison was forced to serve long stretches of solitary confinement. He was released after serving three and a half years. Within a few days of being released from this second term, he jumped off a bridge into the Ohio river. His body was found several days later. Prison didn't help my friend to overcome his addiction to crack. It just caused him unimaginable suffering which led directly to his suicide. This is just one example, but I cannot help thinking that it is not atypical. I think the notion that punishment, taking away a person's freedoms and subjecting them to the brutality of prison life is in anyway 'good' for anyone is entirely incorrect. Torturing people, (which forcing them to live in a cage and to live within a population of extremely violent individuals most certainly is), does not improve their ability to control their lives or make them well adapted citizens. It simply tears them apart psychologically in a slow, dehumanizing way, more often than not turning them into more dedicated criminals and depriving them of all self respect and ability to have happiness.

[@LoneWulf278]

Yes, I absolutely agree. Nobody should have to suffer like that for having an illness. I’m so sorry about your friend. 😢

[@seth5143]

Agreed and it's a perplexing position for a self-identified libertarian to have.

[@saa442]

IT takes away your personal life and your time.

[@nebulosquintus1635]

Luckily you can do with your personal life and your time whatever you want.

[@chucknoris2601]

@@nebulosquintus1635 Yeah, which is why drug addicts become drug addicts. Let them do as they please with their personal time, if they're ruining society, so be it.

[@BLINDTUBEMARES]

No. It takes you away from your personal life for about ten minutes. It takes you longer to cook your dinner doesn't it? Is that evil?

[@Yeti547]

Blind Tube Mare how do you not understand that addictions ruin your brain and therefore ruin your life? It takes a minute of your personal life to snort lines of coke. But that minute fucks up your brain chemistry.

[@maxfreakout]

@@Yeti547 I prefer watching porn to snorting coke

[@moranybird]

This is complete nuts. these people have lost their minds and their souls.

[@ramiabiakar2391]

***** Peace by absolute tyranny, the Big Brother watches.

[@ramiabiakar2391]

***** I find the "left wing/right wing" labels very misleading. I don't hurt people, I don't take away their stuff. I don't want the gov't to help me or anyone else. Immigration and cultural diversity wouldn't be a problem, if arsonist rapists and murderers would face fair trial no matter their affiliation, and if there was no social aid bullshit to lure unproductive immigrants. The Muslims are people like all others. They have brains like other people, and they've been indoctrinated by the concept of religion being inquestionable and superior to anything else, like many people including me. I think it's worth your while to discuss with them. Surely you will find enough individuals to make a civil discussion worth your while. If they attack us with violence, we have deadly force.

[@ramiabiakar2391]

***** Summing it up, an educated society is a free society. Society going after PC is a slave to its own moral prudery.

[@ariwijaya85]

Unsolved Mr E " We're more popular than Jesus" John Lennon

[@seamus4055]

@@OikPoinFive Jesus is the 2nd most common name found in Quran after Moses 🤷‍♂️ Bet you didn't know that

[@WhollyShirt]

Many years ago, a high school principal solicited his audience of parents for ideas of how to keep pornography out of the hands of teenagers. From the back of the auditorium boomed a man's voice, with the sage advice, "Put it in the TEXTBOOKS. They'll NEVER find it THERE!"

[@daveholland6293]

Ok coomer

[@gandalf7262]

@Trayvon Smith90 oyyyyt

[@gandalf7262]

Veyyyyyyyyyyzzc

[@lewars1912]

Two sheep herders are flying the herd to a new farm. Suddenly, the engine fails and the plane begins to fall quickly to the ground. SH1: Quick! Grab a parachute and jump! SH2: What about the sheep?!? SH1: Fuck the sheep!!!! SH2: (pause) Do you think we have time?

[@binzsta86]

Pornography is bad for me because it made my right arm bigger than my left.

[@derekcliffe361]

+Mike Jones: I did it with my left hand for awhile, and my right hand didn't speak to my left hand for months, terrible jealousy

[@AP-yx1mm]

Well I changed hand!

[@onisuryaman408]

You just need to be ambidextrous

[@BobBilheimer]

@@onisuryaman408 as open-minded as I think I may be, I don't think I'm ready for that yet 😉

[@devourage]

Her basic argument boils down to saying penetrative sex is inherently degrading. Anti-hetero, anti-male nonsense and nothing else.

[@markfurrer190]

+devourage go gay guy this is the real relative of this piece..

[@magpiemaniac]

“Porn is good for you,” says the Jew.

[@davidbolha]

www.gen3x.org/tag/weimar-republic/ www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-sexual-decadence-of-weimar-germany/ History repeating itself. 😎

[@guynice122]

This is embarrassing as a Jew myself.

[@davidbolha]

@@guynice122 Don't worry, you're not all alike. 😉👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHzTnZSYibeol80 Just Revelation 3:9 , John 8:44 ,... Matthew 7:15-20 is the filter.

[@1971SuperLead]

Porn is a cruel business, but what business isn't cruel? I got fucked at every job I ever worked. Maybe we should just outlaw all business.

[@chrisvanoire3328]

1971SuperLead the most popular genre is homemade, made by couples for no pay and it covers the globe from Saudi Arabia to North Korea. People are sexual and some are voyeuristic. Its as old as the species. Have you ever seen rock paintings?

[@revolutionofmind1709]

+Chris Vanoire yeh rock paintings and today's porn are exactly the same. There were also paintings of animals in caves, that's why we have factory farming today.

[@SuperBagshot]

porn isn't intellectual

[@Aethelbeorn]

It's entertainment.

[@gandalf7262]

@@Aethelbeorn correct you . Its poison for your soul

[@nordscan9043]

@@Aethelbeorn Duh.

[@pazzodi3]

@@gandalf7262 if sex wasn't view as a sin people wouldn't need porn, we would actually be free to experiment with sex with multiple partners and not be frowned upon. Sex is great for the body, mind and spirit. Sex keeps humans young and energized hence why people that suffer heart attacks are mainly based from having a mistress and the excitement. The excitement is so high the heart hasn't been stimulated that way that it shocks it.. so the answer is have more sex with more people, stay happy! People are so miserable they want others to be miserable.

[@ke-go7xj]

@@pazzodi3 so do you think its bad?

[@Jamaal4Jesus]

Pornographic is demonic.

[@nathanielphillips6792]

Synagogue of Satan

[@kayem3824]

Search who's really behind the "industry".

[@Aethelbeorn]

Are you one of those Pokemon are Satans work kind of people?

[@gandalf7262]

@@Aethelbeorn dude what? Stop using heroin

[@thanksandpraise341]

@@Aethelbeorn Ofcourse you wouldn't understand, because YOU are b(e)orn a(e)t Hel(l).. 😘

[@GodFather_XI]

The first speaker was so rushed and monotonous in her delivery that whatever message she was trying to convey fell on deaf ears, or is it just me?

[@myroseaccount]

Excellent closing points from Germaine Greer

[@llllllllll9572]

Porn ruined many lifes

[@voluntarism335]

no it doesn't

[@Demonoicgamer666]

That’s there own faults, not porns responsibility. Personal responsibility has to come in somewhere. If it ruined your life you only have yourself to blame.

[@MkUltraViolet]

@@Demonoicgamer666Do you feel the same about the statement “slavery ruined many lives”?

[@Demonoicgamer666]

@@MkUltraViolet being forced into slavery is different to willingly becoming a porn star. Slaves have no choice they either do it or die, porn workers on only fans do cause they want to do it. Saying slavery and porn are on equal footing is like saying despite all the evil communism does the rules are saints. Yes sites like pornhub are bad, there are sites that the employees are also the employer. There’s no context in the statement for all we know the person who commented could have chosen of there own free will to do it

[@adrianalexanderveidt344]

The pornography that the woman against the motion has seen is "boring, repetitive, and dreary" she says. Could it be that she is merely describing her personal sex life. It simply sounds like projection.

[@whitetransgirlwithdreads]

What peer reviewed work shows that porn is harmful? I'm coming up with a blank.(no pun) What I can find is lots of meta analysts and such which fail to draw a connection between pornography and social ills. The most clearly debunked being that porn leads to rape, in fact it appears the relationship might be inverse if one exists at all. It sucks when the science is against your agenda.

[@whitetransgirlwithdreads]

***** WTF are you talking about? What world? Where did you find this information? STI fact #1 in the west, doctors suspect that at least 20% maybe up to 25% have herpes simplex 2. Have you had sex with 5 people? If so, one had herpes. (Statistically) Now lets discuss exporn star anti-porn crusaders. Let me run down a quick profile of the typical anti-porn exporn star crusader: Raised in a moderately to very religious house hold. Usually abusive, but no more or less likely, statistically, to have included sexual abuse. In their teens they start using drugs, having sex, might get knocked up etc. Start hooking and or stripping. End up doing porn, get sober in a fucking 12 step (change one life impeding addiction for another) program. They "Find Jesus" blah fucking blah. And now it was the porn that ruined their lives and so on. I about believe their sincerity as much as I do Traci Lords' Your abortion claim: Quantify that statement with statistical data. I somehow doubt that if there is a greater number of abortions, it terribly significant in percentage points. But I will say this about abortion, In the U.S. those area's most known for being conservative and having the most god fearing citizens also have the highest rates of abortion in our country. So I don't know what your point in mentioning abortion is. Drugs, Rock singers have a high incidence of drug use, so... should we just say rock is bad for society and get rid of it? Same is true with conservative radio talk show hosts. Life expectancy: Prove that statistically porn start live half as long as non-porn start in the same brackets. The woman crying. People do stupid things that the instantly regret all the time. If her job was taking tech support calls and she did the same thing, you wouldn't cite it as some proof of something blah blah. But because this woman's job was sex, it's somehow magically no longer 1 isolated incident, but it is indicative of an entire "industry." So if this person even exists, well I'd feel bad for her. But In the end, you are citing the worst case scenario horror stories, I'll bet were sourced from anti-porn crusaders, and suggesting that they are the norm. If porn enjoyed the same legal protections and rights as every other kind of job, well we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[@whitetransgirlwithdreads]

***** I didn't say they aren't more susceptible. But I don't actually know the statistical data as to how much more, and I'm guessing you don't either. is it 100% more at risk or 2%? How about I help ya out: www.aidshealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Adult-film-poster-STD-Prevention-2014.pdf I realize this information would be deeply hidden from someone that wouldn't spend 5 minutes on google and then be willing to click 3 links to get to the actual study. This only relates to the clap and chlamydia, HIV, Herpes and syphilis were not addressed in this study. Neither was HPV. So there's your supporting documentation. Sadly it's not comparative but here's some STI info for the general population here: www.cdc.gov/std/stats/ it ain't light reading. Here's some interesting information though I hesitate to cite it, but if it's remotely accurate, it suggests that in the general population about 1 in 3 people has something: www.livescience.com/48100-sexually-transmitted-infections-50-states-map.html So... I'm not sure your increased rate hypothesis holds enough water to argue from. Perhaps a debate on the importance of proper barrier method contraceptives is in order? "What kind of sad life do you live that you have to write something that long winded just to justify sleaze?" That tells me more about you than I think you'd like. You don't have a real problem with porn, you have "moral" (probably religious or sex negative feminist I can't tell the difference) objection to it. Your problem is philosophical NOT fact based. I was not "justifying sleaze" as much as telling someone who was spreading miss information on a subject, or making assertions with no evidence to back them up, I was hip to her bullshit. If you have to misrepresent the facts or lie to support your position, you have no position...

[@whitetransgirlwithdreads]

***** "watch "Ex Porn Star Presents The Truth About Pornography to Students at Christian High School" or look up Shelly Lubben (remove spaces) https:/ /www.shelleylubben. com/porn-industry" That is the result of something called information laundering. In fact I think you cut and pasted your data from the very top of a google search. "The Truth About Pornography to Students at Christian High School" Yeah that is about as self discrediting as a thing can be. Sooooo an "Exporn star anti-porn crusader" who went and "found god" goes to a christian high school to talk about how evil porn is... If you cannot see the credibility problem there, I don't know what to tell you. Also you answered my curiosity, you're religiously motivated. This means you are accustomed to the philosophy that it's okay to lie if the result you get is favorable to you. Sort of how there's lots of lies about pot floating around, and that's okay if it keep kids from smoking pot... (No I don't fucking smoke pot but I support legalization. have to be 21 etc..) The porn industry, or more accurately the just off mainstream porn industry is pretty ugly. It's a dirty business with no legal protections for workers. But it is not porn which is evil, it is the underground nature of porn that, like illegal prostitution, makes it dangerous. Any time you drive something underground it falls in to the hands of criminals or otherwise very unethical people. However, in the modern world a huge amount of the porn produced is being made by the guy down the street and his wife or girlfriend then uploaded so a site somewhere. So the problem is not that porn is evil. What is evil is that sex work is either unregulated, under regulated or out right illegal. Sex workers have no rights, they have no way to get in front of a judge to settle a dispute, etc. That's fucking evil. What's evil is people like you passing moral judgements like this which drive things like prostitution and pornography underground and cause it to be dangerous. Because invariably people like you are not willing to stand up for the rights of sex workers to work safely, only to "lead them from their sinful lives" Or are you still under the delusion that it's the sex work that's inherently bad? I want to address you equivocation of adult porn (Porn made with consenting adults) and child porn. Child porn is to legal pornography, what being a heroine dealer is to a doctor. "They ain't the same thing. It ain't the same ball park, hell it ain't even the same sport" to paraphrase pulp fiction.

[@whitetransgirlwithdreads]

***** As a matter of fact, links 2 and 3 are entirely relevant to this discussion. And once more, you are suggesting my position is that adult entertainers are not at higher risk, something which could not be further from the truth and frankly I think any rational person knows that's not my position. All I've said is that you need to answer the question of how much more at risk. Are they 10 times more likely? 100 times? 2 times? 5 times? How much more likely? How about this little tidbit. They get tested around 1 time a month or so. And depending on where you are and what the laws are, if you test positive for certain things, you can't work anymore. Most americans don't get tested nearly enough... And most people who know they have something lie about it. Especially about herpes. I believe the stat I read was that about 80% of people with herpes s2 don't know they have it and about 50% who do know don't tell their partner(s) Link 1: Had you read, and comprehended my post, I offered link 1 to you as a gimme for your position. You failed to provide corroborating evidence in your assertions so I thought I'd help you out. I know exactly what I posted and what it says because I READ it.

[@whitetransgirlwithdreads]

***** The science is not supporting your assertion. In reality, sex crimes against women have declined even though access to porn has increased. This isn't peer reviewed but it's a little info for ya to chew on: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800610.html So I'm not suggesting that porn is responsible for the decline is sex crimes against women, what I'm saying is that there's no factual basis for asserting: " If thats happens to the readers of mens magazines, I can only imagine what porn does to men." The statistics would suggest, it does nothing, or POSSIBLY it's a factor that contributes to lower rates of sex crimes, along with a lot of other things like teaching young men what the word No means. I could delve deeply in to this topic and provide statistical data that would probably piss you off, but I'll refrain. Now, let me ask you something, I know my answer. What exactly, evidence wise, scientific data wise, would I have to show you to get you to reconsider your position? I'm not saying make you "Like" porn or even find it morally acceptable, but what evidence will you accept that would cause you to realize that a) everything you've said and based your opinions on , is not remotely scientifically valid b) it's virtually all appeals to emotion (mostly the emotion of fear) c) Not the rule and not necessarily the exception but not the norm to say the least. If you find pornography, prostitution etc morally objectionable, that fine. You are entitled to choose the moral convictions you espouse. I won't argue that right, or even that your basis is philosophical in nature so you shouldn't have it. I only have a problem if you use appeals to emotion, or lies, or misinformation or misrepresentation of the facts to support your position. Because as I said before, if you have to do that to support your position, you have no position. My answer though is I have no emotional connection to my position on this. If research leans toward pornography being harmful, I'll believe it's harmful. But that's not the path the evidence is currently taking. As for horror stories. For every girl who's life was "ruined" by porn I can offer one that was either indifferent to the experience or loved it. What difference exactly would that make? Coal miners in W.V. have a shorter life expectancy than the average. Do we condemn their choice to work the mines? Or do we more rigorously defend their rights and try to regulate the industry better? This goes for any high risk profession.

[@prblmchild83]

Yeah just ignore the high suicidal rate of female porn stars, Im sure some women like wild sexual experiences but sexual freedom is not the same as sexual exploitation, as long there is money involved there is exploitation.

[@corpgov]

amazing that this single point wasn't touched on. Crazy.

[@davidbolha]

See movie From Straight A's To XXX

[@jaredprince4772]

mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/01/06/top-11-professions-with-highest-suicide-rates/ It doesn't look like the studies agree with your claim about suicide. I agree, however, that women exploit men to get their money, but the exploited men don't seem to mind.

[@prblmchild83]

@@jaredprince4772 I did a quick view of your studies but I couldn't find anywhere that those studies included -female porn actress- as a profession. If you can find which professions were considered and who funded that particular research it would be more substantial as a form of reference. Is not enough to copy paste an article of business insider with some information, it is necessary to know the details, which jobs or professions were considered, the numbers and the who did the funding. As a selfish consumer I dont want to know how much pain or suffer my product endures, I dont want to know how they kill the animals I eat, I dont want to know who is making my phones in Asia and I wouldnt like to know what female porn actresses feel. So I will do all the mental gymnastics necessary to keep the consumption going, is all about me, all about my dopamine, me me me.

[@jaredprince4772]

@@prblmchild83 The burden of proof is on you, not me. Show me a study that indicates there are higher suicide rates in the porn industry. If you cannot, you have no basis for your claim.

[@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry]

I think the source of most addiction is Childhood Emotional Neglect, whether or not physical abuse was present. Negative parent/child interaction, or the lack of positive interaction, programs us to go through life with a huge emotional hole that we are on an endless and fruitless search to fill, making us highly susceptible to addiction. This won't end until we as a society get serious about really helping parents and children. And that must go well beyond education, which is necessary but not nearly sufficient. Building healthy communities that support and value their members would have a much greater impact.

[@dopeblacktherapist]

Actually agree with this

[@Lordboogar]

People with ________ addiction have other problems that are not related to _______. The fundamental issue is the personality of the person, not the "drug" of choice. I can tell you first hand that it isn't just the obvious ones like sex, drugs/alcohol, etc. It is ANY behavior that becomes rote, repetitive, and pleasurable. The depression and anti-social behavior come from that singularly limited outlet which over time becomes unsatisfying. Human brains constantly need new and different stimulation to thrive. For whatever reason people with this issue have a hard time pursuing that variety on our own motives, or with healthy balance. General Practitioners should NOT be dealing with or opining on addiction because they are NOT trained to deal with it as the speaker openly admits. His OPINION though earnest and well intended is poorly informed. Unfortunately his credentials make him a symbol of authority on the subject and whether this is a proper view or not, it makes it valid in the eyes of many people in the world including legislative bodies, or political action groups which tend to act on these emotional urges. Dealing with addiction will not be successful if we continue to deal with the objects: prohibition was a failure. The war on drugs has its own woes. None of use were alive in the late 1800's to early 1900's when the anti-masturbation mania was rife, but you can lookup some of the torture devices and abusive "treatments" for this that parents enacted on their children. Emotionally motivated crusades - no matter how well intended - always seem to end in a calamity. We must act to refute hysterical fear at all turns and resist its effects on society. Hysterical fear after-all, becomes a repressive and addictive behavior in and of itself...

[@nathphoenix7489]

What about some young people in the debate? The Con speakers are simply old, and out of touch with the topic. PD: The worst part of a debate is when the specialist says "What X say is simply not right, because .... This is a common missunderstanding of the topic" And the opposing part JUST DON'T LISTEN and just come again with their bullshit, despite being told by an expert that their bullshit IS bullshit. It's like listening to a debate between a a expert and a voice recorder in playback.

[@lokiodinson9594]

I have to get off this planet.

[@pera.j.andersson]

You do? Can I help you in any way?

[@mrtpsoroush]

it's interesting that I can agree with all four panellists who are supposedly arguing against one another. It seems they are simply making non-contradictory claims and in the process avoid an argument all together. The argument should be whether porn addiction is problematic and negative for individuals and societies, and is using porn moderately and informatively beneficial and positive for individuals and societies.

[@hugo72charles]

Its a blights on society. Porn is a a dreadful repetition of something that is not for public viewing. It degrades something that was to be used in the marriage relationship. People who watch this stuff become addicts like alcoholics and drug addicts. This woman has a vested interest in the porn industry as it is a money spinner.

[@Draugh39]

Well let's look at the countries where porn is banned and see how well women are doing there and how marriage is: Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq Jordan ... why don't you have a look at this link and tell me what kind of countries it is that banns pornography. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_by_region

[@hugo72charles]

Draugh39 You are right in what you say. We are really looking at two extremes. One where it is a free for all, and the other where there is total restrictions on women's freedom.

[@nerfherder9284]

Hugo Hallam What makes you think marriage has been an institution for the whole of humanity? It wasn't and when it did start (around the time of written history) it was for reasons other than love,, it was about safety and wealth. And to your point about it being a 'blight on society', studies by the University of Montreal, researchers in Denmark, and several American schools have shown that consumption of pornography has no negative affect on how a person views the opposite sex and it also has shown to decrease sexual crimes in the studied populations. To put it simply...science says you are wrong.

[@hugo72charles]

Nerf Herder Science is a convenient way of justifying something & to make it credible and therefore totally acceptable.

[@Draugh39]

Hugo Hallam We've had pornography since about 12,000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_erotic_depictions Have you ever heard of the Kama sutra? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_Sutra What about the Shunga of Japan? (see first reference) *** >"Science is a convenient way of justifying something & to make it credible and therefore totally acceptable." I'm a scientist. As a scientist I take offence from such ignorant remarks as the ones you just posted. Do you think it is "convenient" to do science? Have you any bloody idea how much work goes into just a single study? My latest article took 4 years of research before we felt sufficiently sure we could attempt to get the article submitted to Nature. (and it passed peer review after 2 re-writings and additional tests). You on the other hand just made several claims about pornography *none of which was backed up by any facts what so ever*. And now you are complaining that your personal views are seen as less justified than proper studies in the field?! *Yes they are, your views are just an opinion of one person and should not be taken seriously unless you can back them up with facts.*

[@bobbob9821]

Nose check?

[@anthonyfellows9013]

29:40 I can't help but to think how singled out that dude must feel 😂😂

[@drstone1167]

Warning ⚠️ 🆘Remember pornography is ☠️ poison ☠️ it destroys minds and corrupts people.

[@englishimperialist9279]

i wonder why some the ones advocating for porn have such large noses

[@davidbolha]

😄

[@hydernoori146]

the three women knew whatta hell they were talking about despite one of them disagreeing with the two.. the old man had no clue whatta fuck he was talking about..he added nothing to the conversation whatsoever

[@RottenDoctorGonzo]

Hyder Noori I thought the same thing. That guy was at the wrong debate!

[@geneticsdna3785]

The abuse of children and animals being filmed isn't pornography. It's abuse being filmed of persons and other animals being taken advantaged of in really severe and devastating ways because they are not able to give permission to activities they don't understand the implications of; and the criminals who abuse should be punished. I don't understand why it is referred to as porn, when clearly it is not. In fact I would go further and think that if anyone is filmed without their permission, they are being taken advantage of or if they are forced to partake in activities they don't really want to be a part of but are held hostage in some way, and this may not be apparent to those watching, is also abuse.

[@beccaj8094]

Yeah it is certainly abuse towards women, that's why not many female adult actresses remain in the sex industry.

[@nonperson2723]

which high school are these master debaters attending?

[@gkapec]

I enjoyed this debate for what it was, but it is true that it wasn't exactly up to par with other intelligence squared debates. While the debater choice may or may not have been adequate, the moderator / chair should have been better prepared. Regardless, thank you for the debate - seeing interesting topics debated in such an accessible form is very nice indeed.

[@Stepjer75]

Creator God made sex, and it was amongst the first commands God gave to man, "Go forth and multiply..." However, the thing that we need to do in relationships is to love.

[@pera.j.andersson]

And for how many thousands years have people fucked without needing the command of any divine saviour? Many.

[@jgwphilly1969]

the doctor smoked 30 cigarettes a day but he's worried about porn.

[@TomKilworth]

Germaine Greer - such power, such confidence, such charisma, such irrelevant hogwash

[@zaneshark]

In this day and time with easy access to the internet, since a large portion of the internet consists of porn or porn related material, and finally as a consequence of a multiple number of social and cultural changes that have been ongoing for the last few decades, it is very difficult for most people to not use or have used porn in some way, shape, or form. In my opinion, porn is not only a symptom of massive social, cultural, and moral collapse, but is also itself inherently damaging to healthy human sexual relationships. Particularly troubling to me, is the fact that porn depersonalizes human sexuality, and objectifying sex and sexual related activity to the point where it can no longer be described as being sex, or related to sex. Sexuality, according to its truest biological and natural definition, necessitates a genuine relationship between a male and a female. Sex is simply the copulative relationship between the male and female sexes of which the human species is composed. Obvious;ly, what porn does is divorce the natural relationship, the real and genuine meaning and purpose of sex, and replace it with a twisted and unhealthy substitute that does little more than crudely titillate ever more questionable fantasies of a perverted order. I believe in strong families, strong relationships, strong communities, and strong governments. Porn is a social ill that poisons the world of human relationships with its inherent toxicity.

[@connorpusey5912]

Walther Bremen I agree with _everything_ you just said except for strong government.

[@heleyjemms3684]

Too based 8.5~9/10 red pilled I'd recommend my friends to read it!!

[@kayem3824]

Certainly, love can't exist in that world.

[@pera.j.andersson]

"between a male and a female"? I'm not sure everyone is subscribing to that view. "no longer be described as being sex"? Not sure how you define sex, but it isn't according to any book I've read.

[@benis8766]

In my opinion one issue wasn't addressed in sufficient detail it's the fact that the abundabce of porn on the web leads to new form of addiction. Porn in general is a nice fix and it can be seen as a way of keeping your body healthy. However reliable, everpresent, cheap dopamine can lead to issues. It's been said that there is nothing we can do in terms of restricting porn or getting rid of it. That's absolutely true but the issue is still there. Dear readers of this comment, I welcome you to develop this thought.

[@kylerathdesign]

LOL - Greer, who I have ALWAYS thought is a fool, once again earns that title. She cannot resist turning any real argumentation/point into a full on theatrical joke. For example: “you never see the man’s head..” - not the case in gay porn, but you wouldn’t know that. “Wanking is boring..” yes, for you perhaps - for 95% of men, it is not boring at all - otherwise they wouldn’t do it…, then… making it sound like convenience food is ‘bad’ is ridiculous. Convenience food is great in many situations and doesn’t always need to be ‘poor quality’ - the same can be said of porn. One can make ANYTHING sound bad if you say it in the tone Greer does. Her arguments are completely outdated (from the 1980s) and completely ignores HUGE pockets of society that are NOT fetishizing/defacing women.

[@ultravioletblack07]

YES Germaine Greer! I think I want to frame your speech!

[@raydziadzio1058]

I was addicted to porn. It warped my attitude to sex. I still have bouts once in awhile but with the help of God try to resist. I am human and fail at times even with His help.

[@abzdeman3]

+Ray Dziadzio Fuck God

[@tracylf5409]

+Ray Dziadzio Porn & sex are NOT a problem-- what you describe is a natural urge. Unfortunately, humans have been snared-up into the virginal, church-associated type of sex. Humans have all sorts of urges & all are fine, with consent. It sounds like you need a partner who shares your kink is all. Done.

[@garyobrien6255]

+Ray Dziadzio I'm using porn to try and resist God and it's fucking easy

[@richie8811]

+Abraham Fuck you.

[@ashjade86]

👏

[@RottenDoctorGonzo]

That guy is at the wrong debate. "You want next door, mate."

[@Rozenmorte]

The Internet is really, really great...

[@theheathen100]

I think, instead of dealing with addiction to porn or addiction to drugs or addiction to gambling or addiction to cigarettes (are you seeing a pattern?), we should be focused on remedies to addictive personalities.

[@megauser8512]

But what would those remedies be?

[@theheathen100]

@@megauser8512 I don't know what the remedies would be. Maybe there are none. (Shitty reply, but it's all I have)

[@squamish4244]

@@megauser8512 We have thousands of years of evidence that 'Just say no' doesn't work, for anything humans find potentially addicting. Trying to block people from accessing porn or demonize them for doing so in today's ubiquitous digital world is as likely to be successful as Prohibition was for alcohol. The case of alcohol is interesting. It is the oldest and by far the most damaging addiction ever known. Yet where is the hysteria about it? We seem almost resigned, as a society, because we can't block it, so we just ignore it and focus on lesser but previously more easily policed threats like porn. We are zeroing in on the way our brains are wired for addiction, and for stimulus-reward in general. We see some of the same patterns in, for instance, alcoholism that we see in OCD, a condition where a person is literally forced to repeat patterns. Treatments such as psychedelic therapy, neurofeedback, brainwave entrainment and various forms of neuromodulation (altering brain patterns through the application of noninvasive precision magnetism, electricity, light and sound to selected brain circuits) have been shown to have profound effects in people. I have had magnets put over my brain to treat OCD and it really helped. I have also had neurofeeback and own a brainwave entrainment device that uses an algorithm of sequenced light and sound to help me wean myself off of pain medication, relax and fall asleep.

[@squamish4244]

@@theheathen100 There are. See my response to Mega User. I'm curious as to what you think. You made a good comment about the roots of addiction that few people ever focus on. Instead they attack its forms. Hell, even bemoaning perceived social ills can be an addiction. We're all addicts, in a sense.

[@kayem3824]

Addictions are purposeful, not just for money, but to control you, and anyone can be the subject/victim. Only information and knowledge can overcome addiction.

[@LAlba9]

I watched with an open mind. It was interesting enough but the highlights were more highbites---they weren't thorough enough. ..like the addictions MD. I would like to listen to his experience and knowledge on the subject of all addictions for an hour or so. And, of course, good old Germaine Greer is always good for a 50 minute lecture or two (...she's interesing enough to listen to on anything including what she thought of before breakfast.) On another note, I was struck by the comment (I forget who) that there is a large range of pornographic styles, just like any other genre of entertainment or art, but everything erotic seems to get classified into one rather overarching category; albeit with many subclasses. One could argue that there is vast difference between "Rambo: First Blood" and "Full Metal Jacket" or even "Saving Private Ryan". Thus, I have found that erotic expression can be informative, enlightening, uplifting, even exciting but also, equally, it can be degrading, depersonalizing and violent. When erotic content is truncated, commodified etc., it sells...what earns profits is usually a commodity...and I guess there's a place for that too. But my biggest beef with porno isn't the erotic elelments but the detouring of the personal and intimate. And even there, I think it's OK for an older person (but even so, there may be the risk of isolation). But a 14 y/o boy bursting with unfamiliar rushes of testosterone, may reach for it and delay or evade learning about the intimacy and the "relations" part of relationship. Males seem to be already biologically endowed with a "fornication & flight" mating paradigm. So an easy way to scratch a pubescent itch, could conceivably evolve into patterns of isolation in later adult life when seeking a mate..

[@sn0wchyld]

they missed the - sign before the 2 when referring to Greer...

[@yogi2436]

it's never to late to broaden the mind

[@viktoriahavas8511]

the against the motion pair changed more minds therefore they won the debate.

[@ahouyearno]

First guy against didn't say anything about porn at all. The woman against had no clue what she was actually talking about. Frankly, the girl who started for the motion had most things right.

[@MunachimOnyia]

Nonsense. ......

[@xxStonewallxx]

I strongly recommend to watch Ran Gavrieli`s "Why I stopped watching porn". NOT to tell you that it is bad but too make your own decision if its good for us or not.

[@MrAndrew535]

The first consideration in academic discourse, ought to be a recognised and clear distinction between an adult and intelligent argument. To date, there been no objectivity on the debate of what constitutes healthy sexual development within the human species. Neither is there any frame of reference which would make conclusions possible. It is true, to some extent that one side (in this particular video) is stronger it is still somewhat superficial with respect to the context of the overall argument.

[@johnnys8691]

Porn won, imagine my shock

[@RichPerez]

The moderator served her role very well, but I didn't very much fancy her demeanor. Thanks for the upload!

[@OikPoinFive]

Sinners are all over the world. Porn is still a sin aka evil.

[@deanwilliams8331]

stop reading

[@superUtubeFANboy]

Dean Williams thank you for saving my intellect

[@TorahObservantUnitarian]

Same .

[@dhucke4assembly]

I've noticed that both sides have something to gain financially by promoting their arguments.

[@abderrahmanebenyahia2862]

porn is the most crime in the history of the world

[@stevenfielden8955]

The 'counter' argument - the most powerful apparatus these people have come up with??

[@camfam52002]

Porn in the most destructive issue of our times. I've taken upon myself to personally download every last bit of it.

[@gunjchowwiwat8357]

HAHAHA! me too!

[@leotto8906]

imitation ... .. porn is bad for real society

[@ronaldreagan7772]

I dont think i can watch this.

[@keithklassen5320]

Dr. Robert Lefever seems to be speaking from the position of ignorance about addiction, the ignorance he speaks against at irrelevant length in his talk. People can be addicted to anything. Prohibition and stigma don't fix addiction, they are vital parts of the very mechanism of addiction. He, and perhaps you, dear reader, should look into Dr. Gabor Mate's work with substance addicts in Vancouver.

[@keithklassen5320]

Cripes. He knows that he doesn't know what he's talking about; it's all over his face and vocal inflection.

[@keithklassen5320]

Holy Christ. Penetration = degradation?! Germaine. Wow. It is truly unfortunate that she is so traumatized by penetration, but how can she persist in the idea that her experience is universal? She is indeed a public person, and this nonsense cannot have gone unchallenged.

[@derekcliffe361]

The problem is not porn, the problem is why we have a need for it. I am someone who see's things from both points of view btw

[@psammiad]

It's bizarre to argue that because people have "sex and love addiction", therefore porn should be banned. That makes it logical to ban sex! Anything can be cause addiction - but addiction is a mental illness. Criminalising the fixation of an addiction doesn't solve the problem. Mad.

[@sharpjwe]

porn does not exist sex is life .and it is good to see sex only deprived see porn .

[@obsidian348]

You say that but he was fantastically persuasive, didn't manage to sway me but Dr. Lefever made a good, reasoned argument without sounding like a nutcase, and generated a lot of respect.

[@nsling235]

I used to use porn avidly and did so since i was young. For me it severely disconnected me from my wife emotionally and physically even though she is (not bragging but others agree) an attractive women. Even after quiting i still struggled giving her my full self in the bedroom and initiating because of the standards i selfishly held her to. But i'm telling you, after time healing came and real sex (not time spent with 'rosy palm') became WAYYY better. I personally don't believe we can treat our goods like some nintendo game and end up with a normal sex life. I'm begging you, quit the porn, it IS hurting your relationship. Even if you don't have one yet it WILL damage the relationship of your future wife or husband. Withstand, it is worth it. -Much love

[@nsling235]

+n sling second thought- i liked the quote "this is not a lifestyle choice, but a compulsive behavior." I learned a lot about the grip of that compulsive behavior while running from it. sex is a powerful thing not meant to be toyed with.

[@robinorwell6242]

I like Germaine Greer.

[@motmahp]

Dr. Smith: It's actually very easy to think of other industries that are treated as undifferentiated masses of greed. Ever heard that "oil companies" do this and "Wall Street" does that? Logging companies, politicians, the media, fast food, and CEOs come to mind as well.

[@rdewaal100]

What evidence can Germaine Greer bring for her claims? To say that because porn is focused on penetration and this is degrading, she implies that all sex must be so as well. How is consensually filmed sex any different from unfilmed consensual sex?

[@Snoogen11]

I'm sorry, most porn is just fantasy, men do know the difference between a fantasy and a real life woman.

[@revolutionofmind1709]

Yeh, the women in port aren't real women, just fantasy dolls. You clearly know the difference, duhhhh!

[@Snoogen11]

Given that porn stars by nature are essentially puppets dancing to the camera mans tune, yes I am right. When they are not in front of the camera, then yes, they are normal people just trying to survive. But whilst they are in front of the camera, they are nothing but: As you put it, "fantasy dolls". But nice trying to twist my words, spoken like a true feminist.

[@sheilaandbianca]

Germain Greer at her best!

[@FingersKungfu]

Everything is bad with immoderate exposure, including work. Modern people work too much it virtually makes family life impossible. I'm certain that the low birth-rate problem in the first world is due to overworking rather than because pornography's destroying our relationship.

[@StarckHammond]

+thucydides Neo for some people it's an intersting view, but with the unemployement rate at it's highest, it realy touches a part of population, but sure I get your point.

[@voswouter87]

Why do they ask several questions in a row before answering? I find this confusing and annoying. It's not any quicker, the time is spent on asking and answering the question, answering specific questions in a row and organizing that just takes more time. Please just answer a question when it's asked.

[@syourke3]

Of all the preposterous subject for intelligent debate, this takes the cake!

[@kayem3824]

It's the most pertinent subject ever, it's about mind control.

[@pera.j.andersson]

It does? Well, I agree. There's philosophy, sociology, psychology, economics, free speech, and more…

[@matthewdevereux1288]

I started watching this but I got distracted by porn

[@sergeyfox2298]

Morality seems to be about preserving some abstract model of society rather than taking care of people. Morality talks about good and bad, and centers some Platonic universe and If one does not adhere to this universe, then one is violating "What is", thereby centering Being over humans. For so many, morality presents itself as about getting people to be "good". It's as if the good is the goal for self, other, and society. Moralists exhibit a degree of privilege, because they already are taken care of by the power structures. This privilege makes them unaware of the Real and gets them to enforce the ideal.

[@ke-go7xj]

What do you mean by protected by the structure and unaware? morality wants control and repress our primal instincts that we were born with. And i mean extremist morality

[@robertholland8283]

A Singular population entity is understood to be any inhabitable area of the municipal territory, whether inhabited or, as an exception, uninhabited, clearly differentiated within that territory, and which is known by a specific name that identifies it without the possibility of misunderstanding.

[@ashcross]

OK, I'm pro-porn, in general, but Greer and Dr Livfevre were far more insightful, eloquent and clear-minded than the pro side. Further, I think you can be pro-porn and agree that porn is damaging, and to an extreme degree for some people. Perhaps all porn consumers are damaged to some degree, even if in limited ways. Porn cannot be better than an authentic loving relationship, but perhaps we should consider this premise: that porn hasn't ruined the prospect of relationships so much as the difficulties of forming relationships have pushed many people towards pornography. There is the blight of alienation in so many people's lives. Part of the attraction of pornography is very much the fact that it is forbidden, taboo, unacceptable to polite society, it is easy to consume, it is exciting, a heightening of real life but also for many a replacement for real encounters that they find difficult to generate. In some ways, porn must remain taboo. The more mainstream porn becomes, the less attractive it becomes and the more extreme that porn has to be in response. In conclusion, porn can damage relationships, but a lack of relations can push us towards porn. Porn is becoming mainstream, but perhaps we pro-porn advocates ought not to wish that it becomes more mainstream lest it lose its vital powers.

[@arashshibaie116]

Stay away from my kid

[@muhammadishaq-ul2sg]

Can you please share your email address?

[@nfal445]

Hearing the guy talk about addiction, it sounds like he is in the wrong debate. Masturbation and pornography is not addictive to everybody as such as cigarettes and alchohol. Unfortunately to some people pornography is the closest that some will get to sex and love.

[@RagingBlast2Fan]

You can't compare cigarettes and alcohol to pornography, that is logically incoherent. Furthermore it is insulting to even suggest that people watch pornography because they can't engage in sexual relationships. Porn is just another source of entertainment.

[@nfal445]

***** Agreed, now there are people that abuse porn, but people also abuse medication that is good for you. Like anything, as long as something is not harmful to you it can't be labeled,"bad for you." Unless it is done too much. Working can be harmful if you work 24 hrs and don't eat. Porn exercises the libido and creative side of our sexual nature. And not proven, but there is the possibility that porn prevents rape. Because instead of trying to extract sexual pleasure from unwilling partners they can flip on porn and release that negative energy.

[@szililolabu]

actually cigs and alcohol are not as addictive to all people either! Ther eis no universally addicting activity or substance. Many partake, some enjoy, some abstain..... some fall totally into it. I know people who smoke one cigarette a day. No more. Truth is: any amount of these substances - and porn - is unhealthy. Not wrong or evil. Just nasty sick shit.

[@szililolabu]

szililolabu porn decreases the sex drive to go out and meet real women. It also is Pavlovian: jerking it with your death grip on your parts, furiously to pixellated images makes you a weak lover/ partner. You become unable to respond to women, to give or even to become aroused by real women. The stimulation and novelty factor are amazing in porn. Real life will not offer the same. Many teenagers now cannot get hard to a naked woman in their own bed when they get lucky enough to have the chance.... because since puberty they have been jerking off to porn! Look into "your brain on porn".

[@revolutionofmind1709]

Phonografy gives men love???? Watching a woman chocking on a dick gives men love? Love for what, chocking women on dicks? Yeh, I geuss you are right there.

[@nicolaasleach]

The comedian metaphor is beautiful, but porn and comedy aren't the same...

[@Moonfish2011]

From the word go, did he mean "addictive purposes" or "addictive reasons"? Considering that you speak your mind, to me it's a token of misconception of the matter. Is pornography a kind of addiction? Like alcohol, tobacco, drugs TV, etc. Why are there addictions and how are they managed within the society? Is it good for the user? Why has it become business?

[@blrrich1051]

I grew up in a very conservative home. I was for pornography, but my parents were firmly against. they insisted pornography always leads to addiction. I still believe if you hope and wish for the worst, you will fulfill your own prophecy. That point aside, I've always thought that the addiction line of thinking is insincere at best. everyone has addictions. the world is made up of people who can't see their own hypocrisy and spend their lives denying others and justifying their own lives. for instance, the addiction to money/careers is never questioned. many cultures have been and still are being destroyed in the pursuit of profits. this is considered natural and inevitable and worst of all, good. the reason for most divorces in families isn't pornography, it is money. has been for ages. it just goes to show that if we as a people really cared about people and families, we would do more to stop the real causes of suicide, divorce, war, ect. It has been and always will be, money. not pornography or any other "bad" addiction.

[@TheHologram3299]

Such a cope. Stop being a coom brain and life will become much better

[@Charcoal635]

Even though I don't disagree with some of the stuff Greer said, she has a very simple understanding of porn. Women are objectified and treated as cum-dumpsters in a lot of mainstream porn, but there is an extremely, extremely wide variety of different mediums that fall into the category of "porn".

[@squamish4244]

There's a lot of porn, and more all the time increasingly produced by women, that just shows two attractive people having well-lit, mutually pleasurable sex. If you perceive *that* as a problem, you have the problem.

[@nordscan9043]

@@squamish4244 OK porn addict.

[@squamish4244]

@@nordscan9043 Lol I wish. The medication I'm on has wrecked my sex drive and...other functions. You asked for TMI with a response like that ;)

[@opiatecords]

@@squamish4244 You’re very naive

[@squamish4244]

@@opiatecords Too old for that.

[@camdenfix9096]

I'm never clicking a link again

[@russodazonasul]

Undecided before, undecided after.

[@Highheidyin]

As a medical student just finished first year I have had several lectures on addiction and have frequently talked about counselling with GP's and tutors. This man is just a dinosaur struggling to come to terms with the new world.

[@lokerin493]

spot on!

[@brutusalwaysminded]

Greer is on point, as always.

[@AlexFictionFriction]

Did your invisible friend tell you that?

[@jojokerus]

This was a good debate.

[@markfurrer190]

+jojokerus this is sick shit …..

[@JayCee-tp2gv]

They say nothing in life is free. Why do they give us porn for free then ? They know how addictive it is.

[@texasman9339]

It destroys men, which is part of this feminist women who hate men

[@JoseSanchez-xq6jx]

After watching this, you just can't help but love the British.

[@greghuffman3061]

John Smith Ehh, only 50% saying Yes is a bit disappointing. I thought Europeans were supposed to be more comfortable with their sexuality than Americans? Anyway, I like your avatar. Fuck Islam.

[@JoseSanchez-xq6jx]

Leonardo's Truth www.wired.com/2012/09/muhammad-cartoon-controversy/

[@DrPhoneAlmere]

Greg Huffman Stop using foul words your so ignorant when you and find out the truth i hope you will be sorry for saying that. And you will for sure.

[@greghuffman3061]

Drphone NL Lolz. Always a classic irony, when someone calls you ignorant and then fucks up their grammar (you're). I'm guessing you are a crazy Islamist, yeah?

[@markfurrer190]

+John Smith yiddish is more like it old fool..

[@nanfolio]

i don't think there was any point in having dr Lefever there tbh

[@carmelpule6954]

No the motion was not carried as in my opinion the opposition caused the audience to change their mind. I do not think the majority should win, but the side that caused the greatest change in the audience and that was not the proposers but the opposition to the motion.

[@derekcliffe361]

Have to agree, yet disagree. Porn is like a medicine, that treats symptoms, But not a cure for the root issue!

[@sibengerard1856]

The violence and rapidity with which main stream pornography is executed, is simply a direct reaction to the sexual repressive measures we have developed particularly within Monotheistic-religions and our long lasting irrational customs.(on this point,Germaine is right)

[@michaelpsellos2560]

There are a lot of studies showing that what Porn people watch escalates in tabooness and extremeness over time. Shock surprise and fear all can boost dopamine once the old genres don't do it anymore. What you are seeing is not long repressed patriachal tendencies rearing their ugly head but men being led to more shocking content because they have been become desensitized to vanilla depictions of sex.

[@montycobra]

It’s just easy money, like drugs - that’s why porn has expanded so much.

[@nickthelight]

I'm 35. Never heard of 'Gonzo'...am I missing out?!

[@angelfiremimosa]

It's the violent, humiliating, abusive and rape type porn that exists now :(

[@pera.j.andersson]

@@angelfiremimosa It is? I thought istwas a synonym for POV productions. BTW, there are differences between the style of companies, directors and actors/actresses. D&E, Bellesa, Lustery, Erika Lust and Legal Porno are not very similar in style.

[@ai_marsbar4325]

for