Porsche 964 Power Plant - Finish the speedy intake

[@Greenytica]

Criminally under viewed series. Great content and you present it extremely well.

[@islandworks]

Let’s arrest the producer! 🤣🚓

[@anidiotinaracingcar]

But it's perfect as is. Aiming for a large audience would mean changing the series to "I bought the cheapest 964 at Copart, was it a scam!?" or some crap in that style. Let the connoisseurs enjoy this series the way it is. Another great one in the same style (i.e. builds take time and deserve to be done properly) : kzbin.info

[@rtbh10]

The wrinkle paint application really needs to be followed closely as per the instructions. Down to the layer thickness, layer quantities and also temperature. The can also needs to be shaken frequently. Getting the correct results is a bit of an art. Good work none the less!

[@islandworks]

You mean I should try it first time immediately on a precious part? 🤣 Good lesson for me and now it will go better next time!

[@rtbh10]

@@islandworks well you certainly did better than my first attempt!! 😁

[@islandworks]

@@rtbh10 pure luck!!

[@forbiddenbeat]

My favorite series on KZbin now. My 964 has a stock engine but its so fun to see all the different ideas and your great explanations of how things work. Keep it up!

[@aradarakjian5]

I like the nuke fuel rails and I think a good solution to the fuel line would be a proper pre bent hard line instead of the braided hose it will be trouble free and super clean

[@islandworks]

That’s an interesting idea! I’ll see if I can find a coupling that would work for the sides. I was planning to do that towards the tank side so I have the tools for it (but not the experience…)

[@oddcarsandbaddecisions]

Too, it would avoid stagnant fuel in the ends of the rails, sitting there absorbing heat.

[@Rawksalt]

much cooler than ITB's. I need to sign up for this setup

[@curvs4me]

If you ever find yourself wanting GT3 power, GT3 water cooled heads have the same bore spacing as the air cooled engines. I've been researching air cooled motors with the notion of building one someday. Some fabrication would be necessary. Front timing covers inner and outer would need to be machined. Water ports on the mounting face of the heads would need to be plugged and heads decked. Will need something resembling a fuel rail to feed coolant into the heads. I'm not sure about the Cylinder head stud spacing but I believe it is the same as the 964. Unfortunately I don't have these parts sitting in my shop..... Yet 😊

[@mrchoo76]

nice. i personaly like the finish on the fan

[@omrima1]

You’re an artist! Beautiful work mate!!

[@jamest5149]

The multi coloured individual inlets looked cool. Awesome job as usual.

[@jfaz]

Beautiful designs and execution!

[@Steve_MFr]

Hi Jonas, you've motivated me to get back to my project (997 GT2 RS Replica + (the + meaning more of everything, hp handling, etc :-p)). I discovered something many years ago: aluminium spray coverd by a clear coat for magnesium parts. Of course you'd have to like the shiny alu look, but the fans I finished for my early 911 and wife's beetle with a 914 motor look great 25 years on (8-o I am old). As far as the knock sensor connectors and fuel rails go, I have similar ideas. My wife then tells me to take my OCD medication. :-p Looking fwd to the finished car!

[@gafrers]

Another amazing episode. The attention to detail, bit of OCD and general craziness is Stunning 👍👍💯💯💯💯

[@islandworks]

A bit of OCD is healthy I think 😎

[@jamest5149]

Really like the fan guide and fan finish and colours 👍

[@islandworks]

Thanks!

[@hamishgibson896]

I can't help thinking if you took the fuel inlet off half way down the fuel rail, you'd get strange pressure on the odd cylinder on the end. It feels as though you'd be doing doing something to the fuel wasted return circuit and not seeing rail pressure on that cylinder? Totally uneducated question but....?

[@islandworks]

That’s a good question. The fuel in the rails will always flow a bit through the return regulator at the same time as the injectors are draining it. In practice the system is very pressure driven and less flow influenced since the return flow is very small compared to the pressure drop in the dimension that such a system would impose.

[@hamishgibson896]

Yes, I'm no fluid engineer but it just looked....odd 🙂 I guess in practice, I have no idea how fast the flow actually is, and would vary with pressure (at a given point, but then should it be the same for the full circuit? 🤔) and hose bore. Having thought about it, in theory, the full loop is at the same pressure, and particularly at the injectors which is where it matters. Sorry for thinking aloud.

[@KeithProctorArtist]

Thankyou for such a great show you are a inspiration to many im sure .

[@MrInnocent530]

Can’t wait for you to track it!

[@ftlaud911]

Thank you for the walkthru. Amazing!! Surprised you don't create a custom intake to get cold/ram air from the engine cover. I also believe there is intake scoops on the wing on the ends. Not a fan of the intake sucking in hot air from the engine bay. Sure you thought about this. Even cooler would be a custom roof scoop funneling it downward as well. A+ on your attention to detail.

[@islandworks]

I’ve done test with my previous engine and found that due to the air cooled nature of the engine the air temp is the same in that location as on the outside of the car. Imagine the amount of air exchange in that compartment due to the cooling fan!

[@ftlaud911]

​@@islandworks - thank you for the response. New sub and watching videos now. Love your build. Utterly amazing. I bought a 993 and put it on jack stands two hours after purchasing. Went over it replacing pretty much everything and upgrading along the way where I could. Spent four+ months taking my time every night after work. Loved every second of it. Minus the 30+ hours I spent on my back steam cleaning 20+ years of road grim and leaks underneath. Everything looked almost brand new when I was done. Learned every nut and bolt on the car. Been 4yrs now and car still drives better than new with the upgrades. I love having a baseline to work with going forward. The best thing after done was a race spec corner balance alignment by a race shop. Took a couple times to dial it in, but the end result was mind blowing. Can't wait to continue watching. Keep up the amazing work.

[@jameswalter3136]

Amazing work!!! I can't believe you can do all this by yourself. How do you learn so much to tackle this project? Kudos!!!

[@islandworks]

Thank you very much! I learn most of it while doing it.

[@jamest5149]

I like your own design orange fuel rail design… much neater and gets around your installation problems.

[@islandworks]

It’s a cool idea, but lots of work and $$ to make it a reality

[@GarageItYourself]

Loving the custom inlet manifold. It looks great 👌 Custom fuel rails shouldn't cost that much if you CAD design it and your CAD can export a G code file. CNC should then be able to directly import the G code. Those rails you can buy shouldn't really cost that much as they're pretty cheap to machine and are really only any good for inline 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Your design for side entry of the crossover line is WAY better than what's available off the shelf.

[@toniwonkanobi]

Yeah, the wrinkle look on the fan is kind of JDM/tuner-y for a Pcar, IMO :)

[@TheBegoing]

If you redo the fan and shroud look at GM black crinkle paint. Not a fan of GM products but stuff works and goes into a bit of science for heat management. I'm running on a high school diploma but shiny reflects heat from the outside dark colors with ridges pulls heat from inside.

[@nicolasc5331]

I love you project !! Perfection ! Hope one day I will do the same on my 964.

[@cooledcollective2065]

Binged all your videos. Amazing progress. I have to see how to go about doing a big project with my RS America. Your videos have helped quite a bit!

[@thomaswarren8610]

Great stuff brother....

[@jamest5149]

That type of belt is a serpentine belt but that refers to the convoluted run… you can get plain and V serpentine belts as well… the type of belt with multiple ribs is a Poly-V belt 👍

[@islandworks]

That makes sense and it’s just as you say multiple V-ribs on the back.

[@bojolley250]

Really liking everything you've got going on, very well thought out. I think you've talked me into an intake setup like you're doing, that looks great!

[@islandworks]

I managed to convince myself as well!

[@MrManicNZ]

No redesign on the fan?! 😞 Engines looking the part! Getting closer to the finish line.

[@charlesetheridge9380]

Badass man

[@birgerkarlsson2183]

Cool hardware !

[@anidiotinaracingcar]

4:50 I'm half kidding: what's the weight of that paint?

[@islandworks]

It’s an unfortunate necessity to protect the magnesium. The fan was hydro blasted before so no surface protection at all…

[@grumpymealey2441]

Another great video keep up the great work

[@Meyersmanx1]

we miss you mate, please release some videos:)

[@islandworks]

I’m desperately fighting to get some free time! I’m very soon back at it promise!

[@Meyersmanx1]

I forgot to mention how inspiring your 3D printed work is. Chef's kiss on that one!

[@madstudiotoo5288]

Man a red fan would look great.

[@islandworks]

I still have one more unpainted

[@lukasmatzinger]

The engine looks incredible and very fitting to your car Jonas, your OCD attention to every little detail and part is definitely paying off. ;-) I can't recall if you are running the stock 964 crank, if you are, are you concerned about running it without the stock balancer, especially since this will be a race car that lives at high RPM? FYI Neil Harvey from Performance Developments is working on adapting an ATI Super Damper for the 964 crank (not an easy fitment with the tapered snout), his GT3 one is mostly ready as he has seen too many broken GT3 cranks. Happy to send you the info I received from him and some recommended reading on the topic. Cheers, Lukas

[@islandworks]

For my build I’m actually running a 997 GT3 crank. I read a bit about the 964 crank having a torsional resonance without the balancer, but never noticed it when I used that crank on my previous engine with this same belt system.

[@anidiotinaracingcar]

11:58 Since you ask: don't bother. I don't see the point,. It's functional, it's symmetrical, I actually think your solution doesn't look as good, why change just to avoid a bend? ...when you could use that same $1000 to engineer ITBs (which can be electronically driven too, I didn't get your point)

[@islandworks]

I’m not doing it as it looks now as the one I have works 👍🏻 I would not be looking to do ITBs regardless. I chose the setup with a single TB because I’m convinced it’s better than ITBs and it has run great in the three engines we’ve done so far.

[@deankelley1]

Hey I just came across your channel and I'm really liking your content. Very quick to subscribe. Great stuff! I take it the racing/car scene is pretty big in Sweden? I've been wanting to go there for a while.

[@gsh3159]

For the paint to wrinkle properly you need to apply it quite heavy

[@islandworks]

I also learned that not to take too much time between the coats and not too much time before it goes into the owner. A bit of an art as many other things I guess!

[@empeg9000]

Would this setup you are selling work on a 911 SC 3.0L engine?

[@islandworks]

Yes absolutely!

[@bradjepson7022]

Not watched yet but liked in advance.

[@islandworks]

Best comment ever!

[@georgerobartes2008]

Never heard. of or used VHT Wrinkle ? I know you have 8 months of darkness over the North Sea in Sweden but I first used it over 50/years ago in the UK . Wrinkle on a true aerofoil may actually help keep the boundary layer attached and improve flow . You should know if you design props . You Tube pays well by the looks of things . Money no object project . For decades what was not available , I had to make . I suggest you take a look at motorcycle fueling systems to get some idea how this is done . The obvious solution was 2 lengths of extruded fuel rail with crossover and feed at the rear of the engine with gauge take off and fuel pressure control and return at the front accessible under the lid . At FI pressures the fuel available at the injector is a constant regardless of sitting components . I would recommend a 16mm bore fuel rail extrusion in this application as the size fitted looks about the same as an average sports bike . A sports bike engine is basically a race car engine in a motorcycle frame where 180bhp/ltr is common ( my 675cc Triumph makes about 128 bhp) but you won't see 650 bhp out of this engine as its more like the old aircooled 2 valve Harley Davison's rather than the Honda CBR600RRs of the biking world .

[@jamest5149]

The cam chain covers painted in black wrinkle finish would look nice.

[@islandworks]

I just need to get them prepped first!

[@0piston]

one of my favourite channels, since the beginning! how do is purchase some of your genius products. would love to have some of this stuff in my engine bay.

[@islandworks]

I share what I can and some of it is on my webpage

[@vlv2447]

Pretty cool engine!!!! Your doing a grat job! I would instal the intake with the airfilter on the other side, because you can suck fresh and cool air through the rear wing.

[@islandworks]

Good point! Just worried about the noise as I think I might be very close to the 95dB

[@giraffengaraget4725]

There is cool air everywhere in the engine bay, no need to worry about that.

[@msayre91]

Most wrinkle paints require a heat gun to dry them to get the wrinkle effect

[@phongnattanawongdeshskul5431]

Waiting 😊

[@jonassvensson2998]

Were did you get those grommets? Would really help with my Lotus Esprit .

[@islandworks]

I found them on an old harness I had lying around… recycling it I was my contribution to sustainability.

[@skaningen1976]

Amazing as always my friend! Can we have an engine start-up get together event on the island? ;-)

[@islandworks]

Sounds like a massive event!

[@jamesdeelstra7615]

You should make an air box with a cold air ram intake

[@jackflowers999]

Hi.....what exhaust system you use again? from UK?

[@islandworks]

TT exhaust it’s called

[@indiebekonn]

How about going in the 992 GT3 direction with the debate on ITBs vs a single throttle body in front of the plenum? Just do both at the same time 🤫

[@islandworks]

When you can have both why compromise? My understanding is that the reason behind the two was related to passing emission requirements with a NA engine.

[@davidsantos5516]

Cool

[@27jpski]

Hope you have good microphones because I can’t wait to hear the sound of this 👌🏻👌🏻

[@islandworks]

I promise I will record it!

[@KiG1208]

Who did the molded intake pieces for you?... Can it handle boost pressures?

[@islandworks]

This is reinforced Nylon similar to the original plastic intakes. I would not use that for any supercharged application over aluminum parts.

[@tiitsaul9036]

Interesting. I don’t see how that intake manifold resonance flap can be effective. I mean I know how it works, but in your case, plenum communicate via throttle body tube regardless the resonance flap position. I hope it makes sense what I’m trying to say :) I’m familiar with Bmw vanos, which is similar to Porsche design.

[@islandworks]

This is actually how it looks on all Porsches having this kind of resonance system. I believe the working logic is that the air stands still in the separate resonance tube while is moves consistently inwards in the intake part. You can see the effect of it during dyno runs and it’s usually done a full run open and then closed to select the best switching point.

[@tiitsaul9036]

@@islandworks thanks. I see. So the constant flow of air through throttle body prevents air resonances communicating between chambers.

[@islandworks]

@@tiitsaul9036 that would explain it because it does work very well.

[@daahoo]

Engineering explained has a good video on the Porsche intake.

[@svenrhode8257]

Does anybody know where i can buy this carbon intake manifold? Or is it custom made for him.

[@islandworks]

The CF version is a one off. The rest is available in my webshop.

[@richarddean9306]

Does your website have all the available parts that you sell?

[@islandworks]

Keep in mind, it’s a hobby project, but yes it does.

[@richarddean9306]

@@islandworks do you know how compatible your parts are with the easier Carreras? Late 80s models. Thanks again for your time

[@richarddean9306]

Also. I know you've seen Robert Lintons stuff. Did you ever make the one way check valve for the crankcase breather?

[@jeppewolffbrandt3181]

I,m looking forward to visit Sweden and have a look, and listen to this awesome machine.👌😄 An invitation will be much appreciated.🤞🏻😊

[@islandworks]

We are a friendly bunch out on the island!

[@andrewdavis3519]

👍

[@tomasis7]

very beautiful and grym :D Du måste montera motor o starta bilen snart!

[@islandworks]

Snart så händer det!

[@RuohongZhao]

This is just too sexy for KZbin community.

[@LSXvoodoo]

Update???

[@islandworks]

Fighting to get some more time at the moment (and enjoying the summer). Work is ongoing finish the harness and some of the other stuff left unfinished. More to come soon!

[@justamar]

Ah wrinkle paint is kinda finicky, the way i get it to wrinkle is by hitting it with a heat gun rather than putting it into the oven. Check out this video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/m520l36igLugZ9U

[@MimasTurbo1]

fu**ing mad 😍

[@jonsigurdsen4683]

jææævlig Bra!

[@pederfeinberg6052]

Givetvis gå på ditt koncept gällande fuel-rails med matning mellan intakerören!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@brianterasawa1528]

great work as usual, the fan is not my cup of tea and prefer a non textured look.

[@islandworks]

It was not intentional 🤣

[@annoodannoo1032]

So much wonderful work and content! I'm curious where to find the intake gasket/isolater you show at kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z57HlYKgi56mpM0

[@islandworks]

Thanks ;-) I make the insulators myself

[@annoodannoo1032]

@@islandworks Of course :-)

[@StoicaVladIoan]

You just love to waste time with irrelevant things

[@islandworks]

I’m sorry… cannot help it!