Future Predictions For France in 1453

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What does the future hold. This is a question that is asked daily by millions of people. But this is not a question that can be contained to the present. We as historians have amazing powers of hindsight to look at the past with. This is great for understanding the past, but it also means that we are limited in the realistic stories we can construct from the past. So in this series I will be making alternate histories from the perspective of people from the past. I will base my analysis on just the situation in the year and place I choose, ignoring any event that cannot be reasonable predicted from that starting year and location.
In this first video we will be looking at what the future of Europe may have looked like from the perspective of France in 1453. How would I predict an alternate history of Europe, and specifically France, would have looked without referencing any information from later than 1453.
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[@possiblehistory]

Thank you all for watching! After reaching 5000 subscribers (thank you all) we are now running a Q&A. If you have any questions for me feel free to post them in the comment, and I'll be sure to answer them in a video that will release Wednesday. As always, to help the video grow consider leaving a like and a comment, even just commenting "hi" helps the video out massively! For more weekly (alternate) history content, consider subscribing!

[@ALMAZ157]

Will you do a possible future if Union of Sovereign States survived instead of Commonwealth of Independent States after fall of Soviet Union?

[@JTL1776]

@@ALMAZ157 better Idea. What if the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth and the Novgorod Republic. United or atleast formed a alliance to save their demacratic states from muscovite dominance.

[@rowanwalter6306]

What if julius Caesar conquered Germania and Gaul before his assassination?

[@Onk599]

Can you do Russia in 1950 next?

[@Maxzes_]

Do more of this, it’s a great series. Do more medieval videos as well

[@dodorus966]

This reinforces me in my personal historiography : History as a whole is a pile of stubborn inconsistent twists to keep the world from being French.

[@myri_the_weirdo]

Unlike france, history never surrender

[@voltsp288]

​@@myri_the_weirdoit will

[@vh4990]

@voltsp288 RIOTS 🤪🤪🤪

[@Dentritic-ey8ok]

@@myri_the_weirdoLearn history

[@Chosen_Ash]

And german and russian

[@deron2203]

This is a pretty cool concept. I would love to see more of these in the future!

[@YaBoiBaxter2024]

Aged perfectly

[@user-dg2ub7rn8i]

France looking at a world with no Americas (aka continent sized CHEAT CODES), no Protestantism, Hapsburg Empire, nor OP Ottomans: "WITHOUT YOU, ALL MY PLANS ARE SUDDENLY POSSIBLE. I HAVE A VISION FOR THE FUTURE, EUROPE."

[@aegonii8471]

God saw how op France was becoming and used cheat codes

[@user-dg2ub7rn8i]

@@aegonii8471 LOL!

[@joaogabrielimperial7777]

portugal geting 87X times bigger territory

[@lacintag5482]

I would love to see what the pre-Columbian civilizations of the Americas would think of their future in 1492.

[@colliwer]

This is a really interesting method to design an alternate history scenario! I would love to see more videos in this vein. Maybe predict the future of the Americas from the perspective of Moctezuma before the arrival of Cortez?

[@JG_Enigma]

This kind of alt hist for a specific time is an interesting concept. Looking forward to more.

[@arthurbriand2175]

Great video, great Channel. Love your content. For your Q&A what mapmaking tool do you use ? Are you a History student? Also will you ever make another "what if X historical character had a superpower?" That was fun. Also could you do a What if France became protestant and England stayed catholic please? Switch their Destiny and see what happens from there.

[@UnkindledIncandescent]

When your so op that even God, himself, had to nerf you by surrounding you with enemies whose only goals are to keep you limited to your domain. When france sneezes, the rest of europe catches a cold.

[@AttaVonKissinger1996]

What an interesting concept! Maybe I should brainstorm a few. But since I am currently studying the region, I must ask: What happens to Eastern Europe (mainly Russia) in your scenario?

[@possiblehistory]

I found it very difficult to think of anything definitively for that region. Especially Russia, from the perspective of the French, was still just a peripheral backwater in 1453. The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth would mostly likely be seen as a natural ally to the French, since their ambitions barely overlap and they share potential enemies in the Habsburg and later the Ottomans.

[@adivshtein2054]

The concept is really cool, you can apply it to almost every time and place. I need more.

[@teds8860]

this is a really interesting concept that I'd love to see in the future. So many sudden deaths changed how history played out, just before this scenario, what would have England thought about the future just after Henry V pretty much won the 100 Years War with England set to inherit France after the French King's death? Who would have thought that Henry VI would have been so incompetent, and England would lose France almost overnight leading to the Wars of the Roses, the Tudor Dynasty and union with Scotland?

[@xenotypos]

Technically "England" wouldn't have inherited France, it would have just been a personal union, the same king. It's even probable the Plantagenets would have relocated in Paris. From the start, the chain of events that led to this situation (agincourt + the duke of burgundy brutally assassinated for little reason + a mad king that willingly disinherits his son) was kind of unbelievable. So even if there was reasons to be optimistic at that point, they knew they were still in a precarious situation in France.

[@MrSomervillen]

Love this! Very innovative

[@thegreatestoctopus9739]

Hey so first off I wanna say that this video is amazing as your other ones and this idea is extremely interesting and original. I am happy that my wish and predicament became true, that your channel will begin to quickly grow and become popular, I really hope you will end the next year with atleast ten times more subscribers than now aka, 50k subscribers. Second I have a few questions which I hope you can answer. What do you use to make your videos? They look really good, especially for a channel with your size and I want to make a few alternate histories when I make my channel in a few months. Second what led you to making alternate history videos and when did you start liking and learning a lot about history? Third what is your credit card number and where do you live?

[@goksir5845]

really fun video concept! good execution too, of course

[@goattier7728]

This is a very interesting series.

[@audience5321]

keep up the good work! And cool concept.

[@jakerupp3840]

Awesome!! You should make an hour long video of this

[@maelisoard541]

Hi this is a very interesting video!

[@golder04]

Love your videos

[@Veriox22]

This is a very interesting scenario. I'd like to see more of these

[@tavishnundoo6002]

Very interesting concept.Could you the same thing with KMT at the end of WW2?

[@Maxzes_]

Good vid man

[@englishtwister]

This was a very enjoyable video.

[@pierren___]

Note : France monarchs have always been heirs of Rome, since Clovis received the Consulat before the collapse of Rome

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Eastern Romans will like to have a word with you.

[@pierren___]

​@@aaronTGP_3756 Clovis had a diploma of Consul from Byzance

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Consulships are not officially hereditary.

[@pierren___]

@@KaiHung-wv3ul monarchy is for the Franks. So they received a diploma, which they transfer by heritage.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@pierren___ I think that's....debatable.

[@KomiOranje]

Pretty cool, would love to indulge in the act of seeing the future in the point of the ottomans in 1453, love the video

[@Iridescence93]

This is a really interesting idea for a video

[@finnikanskywalker2767]

Great vid

[@Thomas_Name]

I love the shape of that map. It would be interesting if France had invested heavily into seafaring at this time and overtook Portugal, Holland, Spain, and England before the race for naval supremacy even started.

[@west8715]

Really interesting idea

[@TheSwedishHistorian]

looks great

[@jameshuggins8820]

Like others have said, really cool concept

[@juliandamen9804]

Good vid.

[@darthrevan8248]

I like this kind of Viedeo, its very interesting

[@yakbeast09]

Sehr gut

[@-.blake.-]

*Sees France in video* *day ruined* For the Q&A: What is your favorite period of history? My personal favorite is the interwar period 1918-1939 because of the absolute chaos across the Balkans, the revolutions in Germany, the battle Royale that was Eastern Europe, etc etc etc There’s just so much going on it’s wonderful to learn about. And that’s only the stuff that happened in Europe

[@yatalore]

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[@-.blake.-]

@@yatalore &a?

[@yatalore]

@@-.blake.- fewefw

[@horatiuscocles8052]

I know your comment is a year old but as a French I find it hilarious how we live rent free inside your head

[@-.blake.-]

@@horatiuscocles8052 i was just joking lol, happy resurrection day 🥳

[@marc9324]

Keep it up

[@sharkronical]

PH quitely teaching WIGP on how to predict stuffs

[@srinjoyroychoudhury7034]

A sequel is needed

[@deamondeathstone1]

Here's one, instead of West Francia, Middle Francia and East Francia which led to the middle one being eaten by the other two, it was west, east and north?

[@BlueTigerTheLion]

Very coll

[@Draktand01]

Please do one of these for the Kalmar Union.

[@christiandevey3898]

Cool video, kinda disappointed that the video isn’t in Middle French

[@bendackins7211]

I think an interesting idea could be what if the Vara crusade against the ottomans was a success

[@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer]

guess i should now say it in french Rome éternelle

[@republicradio431]

I like the ending and thats all that maters

[@michaelaxelafton1611]

Spanish watching this: I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, I JUST WANNA DIE!

[@EmperorRyuTokugawa]

England: Same Mate

[@jgr7487]

that is pretty much what François I intended to do.

[@goattier7728]

Hello!

[@todaryotaiikohtwasyaladela2035]

One can imagine that the people of that world in the 14th century played ck3, and Spain and other colonial players played eu4.

[@Pigraider268]

What about Commonwealth?

[@DeusEversor]

a timeline where Poland didnt choose PU with Lithuania but HRE instead?

[@Hugo-sw6rb]

At what University do/did you study?

[@CatarigMaTt]

Hi

[@wavemanj14]

Ig in a way this did end up happening just 200 years late

[@pierren___]

Universal Monarchy intensifies

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Willem of orange survived his Assassination

[@GusThePrankster]

Well I just got an idea for an EU4 campaign

[@Kingjulien1809]

Let’s go now you have to frog leg and escargot

[@KaiSen778]

The French didn't think that Bulgaria would be free from the ottomans 😃😁🙂🥲🥹😐😑🤔😬🥺😔😅😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@benjaminobienu5297]

Now that is called a French Empire with the French King becoming the French Emperor. Still, this time it is the Boborn becoming the new imperial dynasty of this new French Empire. So you're prediction of France being the leader who unifies all Catholics in Europe against the Muslims and the Sultanate, leading France to take the new mantle of the New Roman Empire, is a very accurate and exciting topic for an alternate history scenario with France's unification with the Holy Roman Empire. What is really weird is this France is now an empire with the french King who becomes the French Emperor, and with France and Germany united as a single country, would there be a French Revolution in this French Empire, causing this empire to collapse or would it become a constitutional monarchy similar of the monarchs from the United Kingdom. What do you think about this theory? Would this actual French Empire last long as a dominant force to be reckoned with in the modern century, or would it be divided because of political and religious issues similar to how the Hapsburgs ran the HRE? Anyway, this is a great video, Mr. Possible History. Really like the future predictions for the future of France, for it made me enjoy watching this video; keep up the fantastic work!

[@johnroach9026]

Small correction- it would be a Valois monarch for the time being, the Bourbons didn't claim the throne until Henri IV took the throne after the French Wars of Religion during the 16th century. With this scenario presuming a greatly weakened Reformation due to the centralized authority the HRE now runs under, the Bourbons never get the chance to make a bid for the throne, only staying as a minor noble family in Navarre. France would likely embrace the image of it being a universal monarchy (similar to how Charles V had the chance to claim the title during his reign). With France having complete dominance over western and central Europe, periphery powers like Spain, Poland and Britain would either be too weak to fight the French, or be allied with them (France and Poland have been very close throughout the early modern period, Henry III even sat on the Polish throne for a few years) As for a French revolution, its completely unpredictable. History has diverged so much that within 100 years of the divergence, its impossible to see what cause and effect everything has beyond that. Maybe France weakens over time, and within a few centuries the Empire crumbles back into vying duchies, setting political progress in Europe back by centuries (Imagine in 2023 there not being a France, Germany or Netherlands, but dozens of smaller states) On the other hand, maybe the empire survives and maintains its strength, and in the modern world, republicanism is quashed beneath absolutist monarchies, and enlightenment is repressed though religious indoctrination

[@sosig6445]

With several institutions having to be integrated and respected with a unification of the HRE i doubt france would be as centralised or at least the empire itself wouldn't be as centralised as the France proper in our time became, thus there would be more ways for soceity to relieve pressures other than "fuckin' kill the king". perhabs France would become a constitutional monarchy aiming to restrict the crowns power in order to placate, represent and unify all the vassals within the empire. in such a scenario it's highly unlikely such the french revolution would happen as the pendulum would never be far enough to swing that extremely.

[@tompatterson1548]

You ignored possible Polish-Lithuanian influence in the Eastern HRE. What's to stop them becoming Emperor?

[@coquimarinero7246]

This is actually relevant to my own scenario of a much less colonized America. I like this exorcise a lot

[@vaninhhuu3215]

New video ideal: What if the Bourbon and Habsburg realms decided to make a personal union via marriage. (A good scenario would be the case of Louis XVII as he was a child of both Houses). Not a very realistic alternative timeline but still there could be possible without too ridiculous. (In the case of Louis XVII, the marriage happened in the real world and just need more push to become a real union. Both France and Austria at that time had a strange warm relations with each other and both did need each other for their own safety). Also, Spain was (and still is) having a Bourbon king while most of Italy today were under countrol of either Bourbon or Habsburg so maybe some "extra" states could joint the union in the future.

[@BasilTheBased]

1025 Byzantium/Rome would be cool.

[@elirodriguez4411]

One can only dream.

[@00martoneniris86]

What if the Netherlands lost the 80 years war

[@Thomas_Name]

That would be awesome! 😂

[@whyidkwhy]

10:53 The Unholy Frnaco-German Empire has been born lol

[@00martoneniris86]

What if japan joined the central Powers

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Austria Egypte and Russia attacked the otomans when the Greek Revolution started

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Romania and Zweden joined the central Powers

[@ale-xsantos1078]

Just a correction: The existence of Vinland(aka viking former holdings in America and Greenland) would have been known for a time in Scandinavia, of course likely forgotten by this time period and certainly not known by your average french person, but it does mean the Americas would likely exist if we go by "knowledge available" even if going by the predictions it would never have been discovered at this time period

[@tvre0]

hi

[@srinjoyroychoudhury7034]

Make a Part 2 and incorporate Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Britain and the Italian peninsula by either union of the Crowns or outright conquest like Napoleon did.

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Italië and Germany and Romania attacked the Austrian Hungarian Empire when the declared war on Serbia

[@hummussapien7.6billion68]

Time for eu4

[@Di3main3]

The perfect world...

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Zweden and Spain joined the central Powers

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Spain might get to fight Portugal. Somewhat interesting. The Entente still wins, because Spain and Sweden aren't particularly strong. But the war might last longer.

[@Thomas_Name]

*Drake meme* What if Sweden and Poland Lithuania joined in personal union.

[@bigd982]

Hello

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Romania joined the central Powers

[@sosig6445]

Slightly faster defeat of Russia... probably the same outcome

[@lenoon3814]

hello

[@ihl0700677525]

I suppose this is what the original Frankish Empire would be (or remain to be) if not for some dynastic struggles, civil wars, and lazy/incompetent rulers.

[@ivanserov1846]

France: We will lead Europe, we will reunify the legacy of Charlemagne! Brittain with the first signs of capitalism and slowly growing wealth: Rule Britannia! I like the format in general. But 15th century leads up too much interpritation and possibilities, which cannot be looked at due to the lack of much information, which, as you mentioned in "Germany 1648" is bound to much more randomness. So, to begin such concepts, it would be better to adopt something from a more modern times, Like Americans in 1776 or British in 1836, with much more info and more reasonable ways to predict something, thanks to the politics shifting from the previously mentioned randomness into pragmatism and established continuity.

[@accountthatillusetocomment3041]

why does everyone in Europe want to restore Rome for some reason

[@aceofconquest5745]

A new crusade should be much more successful with a unified strong state backed by the Pope. Especially if the new crusaders take Egypt first for the food to supply a standing army to support a Kingdom of Jerusalem. The Muslim threat to Europe would seem to be massively lessened. The ReChristianization of the lands lost to the Muslims would seem inevitable, and even further beyond to lands not largely converted to Christianity. Perhaps Arabia itself would convert by a mass wave of missionaries to the area.

[@nicholasphelps3872]

What if gun powder never entered warfare?

[@michaelthomas5433]

Hmm. I would have predicted the arrival of aliens in 1456 which would force the French and other Europeans to mine gold for them in the New World. I guess that's why I don't have a KZbin video.

[@krisp1871]

1:39 "As the ottomans styled themselves the New Rome" Every European and history enjoyer cringed and dies a little inside

[@juliandamen9804]

Is it not true?

[@not_even_known_yet3167]

@@juliandamen9804 I think it is more so the Fact that a Muslim Middle Eastern Power claims the Succession of the Romen Empire where the Europeans themselves all see the Western and Central European Christian Empires as the rightful Contestants.

[@nirekin2760]

The Constanople patriarch gave the coronation of roman emperor to the ottomans a few weeks after the conquest of the city.

[@sosig6445]

@@juliandamen9804 let's see do they speak latin? no greek atleast (rome's second language)? no do they have the religion of romans (christianity)? no do they carry ANY institution made by the romans(Patriarch, roman laws, senate)? no they have shaira The Holy Roman Empire wich is also a "joke" has more right to be called rome, just cause the ottomans had a good military it doesn't make them roman.

[@goattier7728]

And I’m first bots

[@PreppyRblxAestheticEdits]

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[@KonstantinValentix]

Algorithm

[@ldelgg]

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[@fancyfact1389]

I highly doubt that normally hre had a larger population than France so in the 1400s had was because of the black death and the hundred years War the black death affect the hre also but didn't have a war at the scale of the hundred years war

[@adiyarzharmenov9187]

Columbus ruined everything for them

[@liborkozak8938]

I think you underestimate the influence and power that the Iberians could get by trading with/colonising East Indies which I think could be predictable in 1453.

[@rohansensei5708]

What if Ottomans formed the whole Roman Empire?

[@nikitaGrushchev1]

this makes me glad the american continent exists

[@JP-en7cc]

I would have been so sorry for the people becoming French. So cringe

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

Overoptimistic.

[@krushnaji4940]

Hi