Post-War Paris Police MAS 38 Variation

[@meansartin]

*Ian slowly wanders the halls of the Interior Ministry searching for his 7.65 Longue*

[@LOUDcarBOMB]

Now you've made me think of Ian going around the halls and saying "Avez-vous un 7.65 French Long?" Edit: I just noticed that my Google translation didn't change Long into Longue. Don't know why.

[@Echristoffe]

The difference between longue and long is: long is the masculin form and longue the feminine form. Since we speak about calibre (masculin) long is the right one to use.

[@LOUDcarBOMB]

@@Echristoffe Interesting. Another question then would be why doe the firearms community use the feminine form, longue (that's associated with 7.65 French pistol ammo) , instead of the masculine form long (for example 7.65 French Long)?

[@sjoormen1]

Well it is very feminine round...

[@alderankorym]

@@LOUDcarBOMB I think because that would be "Une cartouche de calibre 7,65mm longue.".

[@afterburner94]

The fact that the French government is actually helping you to display the weapon blows my mind. Speaks volumes about the professionalism of your channel and endeavors throughout the years. Félicitations ! From a French subscriber.

[@TheVillainInGlasses]

The fact that he's quite possibly the biggest French weapon nerd in existence probably helps a lot lol.

[@methylfluorophosphonate]

Je suis juste d'accord, je comprends pas pourquoi, mais c'est super qu'il puisse tout de même montré ces armes là ! Nice work, as always.

[@StormEnnairo]

Franchement, ça serait bien que le péquin de base puisse aussi voir la collection d'arme du ministère. Et au vu des pépites qu'on voit sur cette chaine, il y aurait vraiment moyen de faire un musée sur l'armement !

[@bigmike-]

He's also an avid Francophile and has a fairly substantial French small arms collection, which definitely nets him some brownie points :)

[@johndoe-es7zh]

I look at this channel like a historical resource. Ian is clinnical thorough and his presentation method enable a more detailed understanding of fire arms and many fire arms that are at the risk of being lost to time. If this channel was ever lost this could actually constitute a massive loss to the documentation and knowlege available on countless firearms.

[@baronofhell2277]

In the next video Ian asks the french government to see their remaining stock of 7,65 french long, concluding in an arsenal heist called Ian's eleven.

[@sawyere2496]

He gets 100 rounds of corrosive ammunition. Only a third will fire. None cycle.

[@jasoncornell1579]

Shhhh! They might work it out

[@Ealsante]

Ian's eleven (millimetre necked down to eight millimetre for a characteristic double-tapered round nooooon)

[@DRNewcomb]

At the time, the Paris gendarmes wore a cape or riding hood as part of their uniform. The SMG was slung discretely under the cape but ready for quick deployment.

[@pericleagliateniesilettera6159]

@VoltigeurFR and you're a classical moron who brings politics in a youtube channel about fortgotten weapons. Bravo!

[@Barabel22]

vandoo66 In the videos themselves, the comments are free game.

[@johnbacon4997]

@@pericleagliateniesilettera6159 agreed

[@TheRogueWolf]

Were the riding hoods little and red, though?

[@Lowlandlord]

@@vandoo66 Having a Nazi collaborator and war criminal is a matter of historical record and not about politics. No one is saying white wash history. Complaining about socialism IS about politics. If you can't distinguish those differences there is a problem with your understanding of politics.

[@TomatePasFraiche]

When conscription still existed back in the 70's and early 80's in France they were still using the MAT 49 as the military service weapon for paratroopers, my dad loves to tell me stories about how "inaccurate" but fun the gun felt :)

[@AgentTasmania]

Indestructible, though

[@prd6617]

its been know that open bolt sub gun wont be accurate compare to closed bolt one by today standard, but considering the era when the gun was made and used its a "good enough" category tho. similar to how the old era hand gun have tiny sight that by today standard are just to abysmal to use and yet on the era that hand gun are used, that was the norm back then.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Old guns that has gone through the hands of countless draftees over the years tend to be quite worn down. The gun I was assigned way back when I got drafted looked like crap, but surprisingly the rifling was like new. And this was a gun that was more than 40 years old. Edit: I just want to add that most of the others guns were in a way worse condition than mine. So I got a lucky pick, but I could just as easily have ended up with a gun that shot round corners. Not that it really mattered other than when trying to complete the qualifications. There were a few who ended up with guns that made it almost impossible to qualify. Those guys had to borrow a decent gun, which we were told was a big nono, so it had to be done on the sly...

[@khaelamensha3624]

The last time I saw one in Paris was during the attentat's wave in 1986, cop''s sentry were equipped with it.

[@DarkestVampire92]

"What should we change about the MAS-38?" "Hmm, the stock and barrel are kind of out of allignment" "True" *proceeds to make them come even more out of allignment in the police version*

[@RedXlV]

Seems like the offset stock would make for pretty good ergonomics, at lest on the original wood version. I doubt any wire stock will ever be comfortable for the shooter, though.

[@DarkestVampire92]

​@@RedXlV It almost makes me wonder if it was intended to be shot from behind cover, so that the shooter can duck a bit further behind... like a reasonable Krummlauf. Doubtful though.

[@RedXlV]

@@DarkestVampire92 The idea was that you could get a good sight picture with your cheek on the stock, without needing tall sights.

[@jerrell1169]

DarkestVampire92 They’re not out of alignment, they’re perfect for that kind of gun. Take the Thompson for example, in order to look down the sights the stock had to be way lower so you could actually shoulder it and get a sight picture, with the MAS you can shoulder the weapon comfortably AND get a sight picture.

[@jerrell1169]

DarkestVampire92 The gun isn’t supposed to be 90* to the grip but instead about 85-80* from the grip when firing.

[@LaterMeansBrick]

The barrel alignment and the reciever shape on this one get me triggered.

[@LockSteady]

I don't understand the downward slope.

[@hokuhikene]

It is for better recoil control, but u are right it is torture to look at

[@splo1nger909]

It looks french

[@triggerbot3284]

I think that coupled with the fact that the collapsible stock looks like it's in upside-down, hurt my soul the most.

[@jaredwillard3022]

@@Yeroc357 actually the barrel is pointed 6 degrees downward in order for the stock to drop lower in the shoulder when aiming, that way the sights didn't have to be so high, with the potential of snagging. It's referenced in his mas-38 video.

[@Nukle0n]

the lines on this gun are so weird, it makes it look like the barrel is bent downwards.

[@theykilledjoel1496]

Yeah it's shaped all kinds of crazy

[@beavisbutt-headson3223]

It looks like a massive coat hanger with the stock extended.

[@Lowlandlord]

Is, by six degrees, covers it in the vanilla MAS-38 video, from before he bought one.

[@DualDesertEagle]

Looks like the police version could still take standard mags with the folding mag well in the stowing position tho.

[@UXB1000]

But then, the weapon won't be able to fire. The over-travel stop on the standard magazine prevents it from being correctly positioned in the receiver. Unless I missed something that should've been obvious.

[@DualDesertEagle]

@@UXB1000 Yes, apparently u missed the part where I said "with the mag well in the stowing position" (aka "folded forward").

[@UXB1000]

@@DualDesertEagle My bad.

[@turbografx16]

Interesting that this used the collapsing stock, going away from the standard fixed stock, yet when they adopted the MAT 49-54, they went back to fixed while the standard MAT 49 had used a collapsed stock.

[@lesjames5191]

Just love it when Ian says subject for a future video.

[@RichardCranium321]

I can only imagine Ian walking into that room "Well, if I'm gun Jesus, I think I found heaven" 🤣

[@jameshealy4594]

Ian, I know you have occasionally struggled with audio issues so it needs to be said that the audio in this video is excellent, I don't know if you're doing something different or got lucky with environment etc, but this is exceptional. Thankyou!

[@philallsopp42]

This is a very interesting video. It’s nice to see your knowledge and professionalism being recognized - and by the French Ministry of the Interior no less. Nicely done.

[@peterd9940]

It really is refreshing to see the french weapons regularly shown in a positive light. French weapons development was cutting edge for most of the 19th century and a good deal of the 20th century.

[@petitponeydu7727]

ian's french accent is so enjoyable to listen to even as a french person

[@Toledotourbillion]

You know you are watching forgotten weapons when the video image illicits a "wtf?"

[@leppeppel]

Between this and the chauchat, did the French just have a thing for stocks that bopped you in the face?

[@grahamlopez6202]

"Honhonhon war iz pain, and so is this gun"

[@grahamlopez6202]

@@johnanon6938 germans see the simplicity and go "what in the peasantry? Yeet!" And wing it tf out

[@rofljohn23]

Russ Epp-Leppel Maybe it was a cost saving measure? Getting repeatedly smacked in the face while firing would sure make me more conservative about my ammo use! :D

[@zippymufo9765]

@@rofljohn23 You might be on to something there. I recall one WW2 general saying that military guns should be uncomfortable to fire so that soldiers wouldn't get trigger happy and waste ammo or blow their position. That old school philosophy of "Guns are tools, not toys".

[@Tulip1811]

Anybody else think Ian's bags might be significantly heavier on the return flight from Paris!

[@John1911]

It's always interesting to see how "different" French guns are since they kinda of develop in their own eco-system. Regards, Marky

[@FireflyActual]

You can tell from the video how happy Ian is to present this gun. Always fun to watch those French gun videos, they got me hooked on Gallic firearms.

[@boggels8013]

This would make such a cool Star Wars gun

[@warhawksvidclips3990]

First time I saw this I thought it was what the DC-15 carbine was based off. :)

[@scoe5908]

Can we start calling fire selection switches on French guns *'Hon Hon Hon switches'* ?

[@1018-u8s]

Scoe88 Safe- Non Semi- Hon Full- Hon Hon Hon

[@dragonsword7370]

Very funny sir.

[@TheVillainInGlasses]

I second the motion-hon-hon.

[@luisantolafrancis519]

O la la!! Magnifique!! Ians dream, getting into the french ministry of interior.. Next.. Ministry de Gerre.. Next national archives.. Next... (this guy is digging france like a worm)

[@batesmotel282]

saving that

[@theobuzat9091]

Sooooo can we expect a video on a AA F1 machine gun or a FR-F1 or F2 ?!!! You know, we french, love your videos and everything that's french is what we want

[@pegzounet]

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[@theobuzat9091]

@@pegzounet Lol!! I know this video but I talking about a video were he talks about the HISTORY and USE and OPERATION of the rifle not just the zeroing process 😂

[@lapinmalin8626]

@@theobuzat9091 Il a fait une vidéo sur le FR-F1 et FR-F2 avec un mec Français qui en parle mais le mec est un peu dans son monde et un peu trop vieux Je retrouve pas le lien désolé :/

[@balrajsingh-zp4wq]

ਵੀਰੇ ਤੇਰੀਆ ਸਾਰੀਆਂ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਬੁਹਤ ਵਧੀਆ ਲੱਗਦੀਆਂ ਨੇ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਪੁਰਾਣੇ ਹਥਿਆਰਾਂ ਵਾਰੇ ਦੱਸਦੇ ਹੋ ਥੋਡਾ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ ਵੀਰ ਜੀ ।

[@jasonalmendra3823]

The last time I was this early the French were still using Chassepot rifles.

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

*Californian stoner appears* "Someone say pot?

[@robbie_rohm88]

Last time everyone else was that early the French were waving broomsticks with bedsheets.

[@PedroHenrique-dh3bq]

@@robbie_rohm88 that's quite a imprecise statement

[@Tribune-bx5we]

@@robbie_rohm88 and a dumb statement that is

[@lovecraftcat]

le drapeau blanc, hon hon hon

[@Predator42ID]

MAS 38, its not just for shooting, it also doubles as a hanger and is adjustable to fit even the largest jackets. Order now while supplies lasts.

[@zerovalon6243]

That is so cool. It's very fitting to go with the modifications they did.

[@Paul-ie1xp]

I hope you hit them up for some 7.65 Longue?

[@markvines7308]

Looks like they got too hot, they're beginning to wilt.

[@KingCrabGaming1]

Wait yea why do they look like they are wilting

[@Repenter0]

@@KingCrabGaming1 You can check Ians video on the original MAS 38, but basically it has an angled bolt. So instead of a purely straight operation the bolt actually recoils slightly down and back along that angled line on the receiver. I'm sure there is some french voodoo magic reason for why they went with that, I don't fully understand it personally but thats why the gun looks almost "bent" or "warped".

[@johnbacon4997]

The barrel looks curved

[@BobtheHobo324]

@@Repenter0 the angled bolt allowed them to have an in-line stock without needing tall sights (unlike say, an AR15)

[@Lowlandlord]

French Ministry of the Interior? So happy for you Ian, next to get your way into whatever they have left at St. Etienne.

[@ThisShinigami]

Oh wow here within the first minute of video release, hello Ian!

[@matsimento]

the recoil spring could have been changed out for a shorter one, also.

[@onsesejoo2605]

Finnish late 1940's early 1950's prototype sub machine gun Pelo also had that folding magazine. It also opened sideways as it was intended to be loaded using a cartridge stack made of paper. The idea of the folding magazine combined with folding stock was to be able to carry it in a holster.

[@hadrienbruet-mochet8382]

- How do you remove the safety? - Just pull the trigger 😁

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@UESCBattleDroid]

Rafale is a 3 burst shot. It would make sense to increase rate of fire for a burst. In the FAMAS the rate of fire is very high so that in burst, by the time the second bullet leaves the gun, the recoil hasn't kicked in yet. Meaning the fist and second bullet will be very close together on target.

[@NarquelieNarmo]

Congrats for actually have the support of the Interior Ministry to get hold of these. But I sincerely hope that Castaner won't bother you in anyway x'D

[@j4ff4c3ks1]

Ministry of the Interior: Thank you Ian for your work on documenting our firearms. Is there any way we could repay you? Ian: The opportunity is all the reward I need, but if you guys have a spare FAMAS Valorisé upper receiver...

[@Gatman0311]

Very cool, I’ve always liked the MAS and MAT smg’s

[@ryan0U]

I think the semi auto selector vs ease of assembly is indicative of the police vs military needs in a gun. To the French military who's traipsing around the dessert or the jungles of Vietnam, disassembly is very very important. Also, a submachinegunner would work in conjunction with riflemen so going semiauto is less important because the submachine gunner is there specifically for suppression and engaging close range targets. The police, however, aren't in the dessert or jungles so their guns don't get as dirty so they aren't tearing them down as often and when they do time is less of the essence. When they operate in their own towns and may not have rifle support precise shots with the submachine gun will be a lot more important.

[@red62]

Man does MAS make some weird looking guns: love them all

[@artfact2]

I can see this series taking Ian in some pretty euphoric places...:P Good stuff.

[@BFOP15]

Until the 1980's the Préfecture de Police had an arsenal of around 20 000 light firearms inherited from the Paris uprising in august 1944. These guns were stored and were not on a daily use by police officer. It included many german guns. Most of them were scrapped in the early 90's. ( These guns were stored to arm Police officers in case of soviet invasion...) I remember to have seen at the old Préfecture de Police weaponry a remaining mkb 42 assault carbine and some other ww2 era guns rusting under dust on a storage board. At the new weaponry you can still see a ZB Vz 37 machine gun on display, dating from this era.

[@oOkenzoOo]

1:12 Oh are you perhaps talking about the MAT 49/54 ? Also can you please make a video about the Gevarm SMG ?

[@weirdscience8341]

The spring under compression would slow the rate of fire and probly was done to use the thv brass ammo as it dosent recoild as hard so to cycle it needed the compression them tres haut vitess rounds are crazy the velocity is unreal ive heard a report of a guy who took one to the head and it blew his temples and eyes out from a center forhead shot this was in south africa it was originally made to up the performance of the little 32 caliber revolvers the french police used and idk why its not a thing still as they perfome so well imagine a .556 version i know the ones for the revolvers were nudging around 2500 fps so a .556 version would probly kick out at 3500 fps if not more and being made from lathe turned brass they penetrate like mad but when they hit soft tissue they tumble and act like hollow points i know they make a or did make a 7.62 nato version now that was probly a total animal on target the .22 tcm the 17hmr and the thv are my favorite rounds all high velocity nasty little buggers

[@davesimmons8640]

Such TINY, full-auto guns!!

[@Arthurzeiro]

Looks like they MAT-49ed a MAS-38 as much as they could.

[@alexanderansorena186]

Amazing gun and great video as always

[@gunner678]

Pretty sure these went on a long time, well in to the 70s (they certainly looked the same) along with the MAT49. Then again the Mas 38 continued in the gendarmerie (they are part of the army) for years alongside the MAT 49.

[@StormEnnairo]

I hope that video was take 1 month earlier. If no, that mean that gun jesus the transport strike to reach the ministère de l'intérieur ! Very impressive !

[@yankeeredneck7229]

So wait how hard is it to accidentally discharged it when you're taking the safety off with the model where the trigger flips up

[@ambravirlebreton]

I love those little Mp!

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

I remember thinking the first time I saw a MAS 38 that it looked bent, like the barrel was somehow down sloped. This version appears even more pronounced.

[@Curtislow2]

Irrespective of the "chicken and egg" variable, I see elements of M3 Grease gun, AR15, and possibly more in this design. ! Cool Video Ian.

[@Mdub_actual]

Thanks Ian! 🥃🍻🥃

[@whyme943]

Hey, Ian. Just want you to know that for someone like me, with only a casual interest in guns, I would be very interested in seeing videos on more common weapons. E.G. arisaka type 38, the AK74, or even civilian weapons. Common weapons can still have cool histories, and I really like your presentation.

[@YosheetaBoneeta]

These are the guys who are gunna know where you can get that 32 french long ammo!

[@stilllife8]

Would it have been possible to have a magazine in the gun with another magazine stored under the barrel? It looks like a standard MAS 38 mag would still fit in that magwell with another police specific magazine folded over, and it looks like both of the magazine releases work.

[@wadekirby8575]

When your MAS 38 is up and running you should put a spacer in the recoil spring channel to see how it effects rate of fire.

[@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts]

The heat shield is a definite improvement

[@Blastmaster1972]

Damn. That cut-away gun is cool!

[@TactaGhoul]

Dang it, why didn't you find this thing sooner? I could've put that stock and barrel shroud on my mod. I think you're actually the first person to review one of these.

[@Mystickneon]

Seems like the offset bore axis and really low stock would make this thing sit really high as far as sight picture goes.

[@guiden15]

these are the guns i come here to see!

[@Matt85ism]

its a real shame your mas 38 doesn't work, these are actually really neat looking sub guns!

[@shawnr771]

Very cool. Why is the barrel aimed downward from the receiver?

That gun looks so broken. Its like someone used it as a club when it was manufactured.

[@stephenbond1990]

Why did the french make the mas 38 sorta hunchbacked?

[@eddyguizonde401]

i forgot why, but he does cover it in his video about the original mas 38. go give him a view and enjoy the vid!

[@sawyere2496]

I know right

[@stevelewis7263]

Would the standard MAS 38 magazine work in the weapon if the extended magazine well was moved out of the way

[@confusedcapitalist2242]

steve lewis I think so

[@khornethebloodgod4155]

Is this the gun the E-11 from Star Wars is modeled off of? It looks very similar.

[@khornethebloodgod4155]

One Doomed Spacemarine ah, okay. Thank you!

[@dxb8086]

Hmm, I was wondering maybe they used a more flexible spring?

[@sawyere2496]

The stock and buffer tube thing doesn’t look very comfy

[@JimYeats]

Nothing like a big black co....tube smacking you in the face to let you know you’re alive.

[@svnnl4832]

does the barrel point down a little? the reciever always reminds me of an AR15. but made in Khyber pass.

[@fg42t2]

if you like the angle of this one you will love the Jatimatic .

[@peraire]

thank you

[@dglenn3193]

It looks like the barrel cants downward from the eye line of the length of the weapon, or is it just me ?

[@RichardCranium321]

Not a huge fan of French small arms but I do like the mas38 & mat49... more shouldve experimented w/49 features

[@GunsNGames1]

Gun Jesus + French weapons = *PERFECTION*

[@xgford94]

Guns N' Games you missed that it’s 7.65 French Long that’s the complete triumvirate

[@Candyrock87]

Police modifications of SMGs are really cool. Any chance of a video on the tear-gas launcher version of the Swedish m/45 smg (called the m/45BET) that the swedish riot police phased out around 1999?

[@randywatson8347]

I just can't get my head around the positioning of the barrel in comparison with the body. It always look like an opened break barrel.

[@havareriksen1004]

It is a bit odd that the police version of the SMG is actually what one would expect the military would have for it's SMG. Folding features to make it more compact for paratroopers and vehicle crews, barrel shroud for prolonged firefights etc. But no, the police needs those features. I must admit that at first I thought the magazine lock at the front of the barrel was a bayonet lug, thinking the Paris police would fix bayonets would suggest rough neighbourhoods, indeed.

[@wedohedoshedooowee828]

If you left that new mag collar flipped forward on this gun could you not manage to get the standard mags to fit into the mag well??? I'm legitimately curious if you could just leave that flipped forward if you wanted to use standard mags and flip it back to use the new modified police mags o:

[@vincentmueller3717]

Then you would probably have 2 magazine releases to deal with. Ian didn't address this issue, but I would bet the original catch engaging surface was ground off.

[@zacbaker2696]

Interesting. Never knew it he French did this. That stock reminds me A LOT of the one on a M3 Grease Gun. Any idea if you will make a review on the FN Herstal FNX-45 Tactical?

[@marcamant7258]

Excellent. Trés intéressant. Piquant au moment de polémique sur les violences de la police et de l'usage du LGD 40. Rien à dire sur la prononciation.

[@brassmule]

Barrel shroud? Isn't that the shoulder thing that goes up?

[@rotwang2000]

Well the police version certainly seems to have the kind of heft you expect from such a weapon. The standard MAS 38 always felt a bit like a plinking rifle to me.

[@travpots6318]

Good job

[@WinterRavenMechanical]

A French firearm the Ian doesn’t know how to disassemble! Gasp!

[@charlesphillips4575]

They seem to have made it into an imitation MAT-49. I am wondering if that was because they were using MAT-49 as well and/or for saving training for ex-army recruits. Also, is the stock a MAT-49 one? I suspect that any change in rate of fire was considered unimportant because semi-auto was the normal mode.

[@garypack1709]

Any updates on your own mas 38 ? I mean finding ammo for it

[@Garrumx]

That magazine well hinge bothers me so much. It looks like someone's grandmother three streets over could sneeze and the magazine well would fly off and land in Australia.

[@cthulhuchan9587]

The MAS-38 is an odd looking gun but for some reason I find it pretty appealing

[@xavierbelmont8935]

Ian this says the french riot police got the first batch of mas 38 in 1938 rather than giving them to the french military and didn't stop using the mas 38 until the 1950's wiki.wwiionline.com/view/MAS_mle_38

[@pipss2669]

I have a question: How well did the MAS 38 perform in WW2 compared to other submachineguns ?

[@sir_potoo]

The receiver and grip would make for a nice pistol.

[@mengvaj87]

Looks like a Tommy gun in sbr type. Having the 1911 butt stock and the Tommy mags.

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very Cool Sub- machine gun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for showing it , Gun Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@PoormanNate]

i don't know if it's just me but the barrels look bent in a way were they like that or just ware over time

[@Bearthedancingman]

The barrel centerline is tilted from the bolt centerline. Not sure the exact reasoning, maybe look up the video he does on the MAS 38 and see if he mentions it there. ( I don't remember, I watched it a long while ago)

[@seamusnolan905]

The fact that the barrell and top of the receiver aren't in line with the pistol grip and lower receiver really annoys me