Praying to Mary

Mary is blessed among women! Yet, I do not think she would appreciate all the exaltation people have tried to give her. This humble, faithful, blessed woman would likely redirect people to the Lord Jesus.
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[@ninjakweli2993]

I’d also like to add Luke 11:27-28 “27 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that carried You, and the breasts at which You nursed!” 28 But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and follow it.”

[@EXODUSART]

yes! Mary was blessed among women because God fullfilled his promise through her, meaning she received a blessing from God, not that she's held in a higher favor or has the ability to pray for us. the verse you pasted proves that the only way to be "blessed" as the catholics believe is to follow God's word.

[@muppetonmeds]

@@EXODUSART Yes but I think your missing the point where they thought Mary should be held higher than any woman but Jesus is saying no blessed is the ones who follow him.

[@extraordinary.verses]

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ - Mark 1.1 (codex Sinaiticus online) The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the son of God - Mark 1.1 (KJV) With a method called transcription, scientists were able to detect inserted text. Bible in our hands was copied from corrupted then restored manuscripts

[@EXODUSART]

@@muppetonmedsoh no thats exactly what im saying. Catholics say shes blessed among women and try to use it as a way to say shes higher than or has a special ability to speak to jesus for us. But i was just reiterating the quote he posted. Her blessing mentioned earlier in the Bible was literal. Not an implication of a higher place than other humans

[@muppetonmeds]

@@EXODUSART I reread your comment I think you have a better understanding than most Catholics.

[@petersimplife]

We only need this one verse “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭

[@dustinryan9671]

Fact!

[@justicereborn8296]

Yes, that's how ignorant Catholics are. The Bible literally says the only mediator is Jesus

[@elenaolivera5468]

Alelujah praise the LORD! agree with you ABSOLUTELY 💯🤍🙌

[@juanit0tackit0tackito2]

But do we call Mary a mediator? We say “intercessor”

[@elenaolivera5468]

@@juanit0tackit0tackito2 NO! 🤍 is only one mediator between the Father and us JESUS CRIST, He is the one that pay the ransom for us in the cross, no body else!!🙌

[@devonbiker]

I’m going through the Gospels again and this struck me. Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28 And While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matt 12:46-50 It’s clear from scripture we are not to idolise Mary.

[@domoonogotno71]

Amen

[@lucas____________]

Right, the mother of God is blessed because she did Gods will. As the angel said “Hail Mary full of grace, the lord is with thee” and as Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, said “blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.” Mary was blessed, because she did Gods will of her own free choice.

[@louiealbarado3233]

Amen thank you too Jesus Christ be the Glory

[@louiealbarado3233]

@@lucas____________ which is her only tiltle is called Blessed among Women by all nations period

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

Amen ...To raise her above what Scripture says is forbidden. Deuteronomy 4:16-26 God says He will call Heaven and Earth as a witness against those who worship the creature (Created beings) above the Creator. God tells us how it angers him. All Glory and prayer and service Belongs to the Lord God. 📖 Jesus tells us this when He warns Satan in Matthew 4:10 "Get thee hence Satan, For it is written: Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thy serve." ✝️ God Bless 🔥

[@rebeccablankenship4710]

100% agree. When I was an atheist, I tried astral projection to reach my dead mother. I felt sure that I was speaking to her in the spirit. I quickly realized that it was an evil entity that began grasping at me and abusing me emotionally and mentally. I believe it clung to me for years as my life took a downward spiral. I wasn’t released from this evil until I accepted Jesus.

[@hminchella7423]

Praise God . When we are free in Christ we are free indeed.

[@domoonogotno71]

Wonderful! I was atheist myself many years ago, I did not ever dabble in any crafts, but I did realize when becoming reborn that the Catholic church is entirely false preaching.

[@Nancie6290]

💞🙏🏻🇨🇦

[@caseyk.1386]

I agree with your point about astral projection, but Catholics aren’t astral projecting to Mary.

[@JesusisKing842]

Go see a deliverance minister asap and get it casted out . Try Noah Hines prayers , Derek Prince etc . I have messed up ignorantly the same way and Yeshua saved me. Also, they will try to create a false reality around you as well . Just rebuke it , fast and combine with prayer… annoit your home

[@miaomeow1390]

"... No one comes to the Father except through Me." Jesus, John 14:6

[@sonicrocks2007]

You forgot two verses Come to the place where Dead saints are made perfect And all prayers ascend to Saints.

[@brettspearman3706]

@@sonicrocks2007they think the Saints are dead and cannot hear us.

[@sonicrocks2007]

@@brettspearman3706 except the Bible says else. Read revelation 5 and 8. There is verse that literially says all prayers go to the saints and angels.

[@XiahouJoe]

?? Revelation 5 - And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.----- Where nothing stating "There is verse that literially says all prayers go to the saints and angels." and also Revelation 8 nothing - 8 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! ?@@sonicrocks2007

[@forwardechoes]

You know that because Catholics gave you the bible ;)

[@nanoglitch6693]

As a follower of Jesus, I pray the way He instructed us to: to The Father, in His (Jesus') name.

[@youtubesucks3811]

Not trying to start a fight here but it’s not Jesus’s name. We go through Jesus, by Jesus. But overall it’s God. The way I understand it, and correct me if I’m wrong. I’m a starving dog, a man gives me food. Obviously I love the hand that gave me food but the hand is not the entirety of the person.

[@regpharvey]

@@youtubesucks3811 Jesus said "I and the Father are one." John 10:30

[@youtubesucks3811]

@@regpharvey thank you 😊

[@sia9907]

​@@youtubesucks3811Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you. Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full. John 16. I believe that's why we pray in Jesus' name. The epistles also talk about doing things in Jesus' name.

[@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus]

Amen same here

[@danjohnson8556]

Christ instructed us to pray to the Father.

[@justincook9834]

He did mention that in Luke, however we’re allowed to pray to Jesus directly. He is our mediator and we have biblical examples of being able to pray directly to Him. However I think we both agree Mary is not to be prayed to.

[@sonicrocks2007]

@justincook9834 but saints and angels recieve all prayers biblically.

[@danjohnson8556]

@@sonicrocks2007 Where in the bible are you getting this doctrine? Why wouldn't Christ have emphasized or even mentioned this approach to prayer? Feels like polytheism to me.

[@yvatna76]

@@danjohnson8556 "And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel's hand. " -- Revelation 8:4

[@MrOlu109]

Do you not pray to Christ then? Or to the Holy Spirit? If you do then by your own words you do more than what Christ instructed. (I don't actually agree with you here that this is all they Christ said, but I'll go with you). And if you don't then why don't you?

[@tori_va807]

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

[@SidneyVenanciodelaTorre-yo4oz]

Yet Jesus told his disciples ' As the father has sent me , so I send you.' :)

[@giannihatzianmevris1861]

@SidneyVenanciodelaTorre-yo4oz what does that have to do with Jesus being the only way to heaven? Jesus sent his disciples out to preach about Him!

[@SidneyVenanciodelaTorre-yo4oz]

@@giannihatzianmevris1861the disciples were sent and so Mary being the first disciple is also sent and is NOT "another way to heaven" as most Protestants think we Catholics think.

[@giannihatzianmevris1861]

@SidneyVenanciodelaTorre-yo4oz Ok, but why does the Catholic Church call her Co-mediatrix & Intercessor and Advocate when the Bible calls Jesus those titles? Jesus is, Mediator, Intercessor & Advocate! If that's the case, then why do we need anyone else? Read the following scriptural references: Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes INTERCESSION for us. Hebrews 7:25 [25]Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make INTERCESSION for them. 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

[@SidneyVenanciodelaTorre-yo4oz]

​@@giannihatzianmevris1861 First off the "co" in co-mediator means "with" and not "equal to" and yup Jesus is mediator, intercessor and advocate, yet what did he say again? "As the father has sent me so i send you". That's our license right there and all of us are meant to mediate, intercede and advocate for others. Catholics however give Mary the titles of co-mediator, intercessor and advocate as a recognition of her unique, God given role of partnership with Jesus in our salvation. God bless. Hope that helps. :)

[@MrMcGribble]

As someone who was raised in the Catholic church and has now been born again, I can say that as I now understand it, God wants a personal relationship with us. When Jesus teaches the apostles how to pray, he taught them to refer to God as Father, and when Jesus himself prays and says "Abba Father", which would translate more closely to "Papa" or "Daddy". So with that in mind, He does not want us go through others to ask for them to speak to Him on our behalf. He wants us to come to him directly like a child would to his father.

[@bibleman8010]

ONE LORD ONE FATIH ONE BAPTISM “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Ephesians 4:4-6) The one baptism (and the only valid baptism), is the baptism of the one faith, the baptism authorized by the one Lord and practiced by the one body, the church of Christ. “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body” (1 Corinthians 12:13). "Are you born again-the way the Bible understands that concept?" If the Evangelical has not been properly water baptized, he has not been born again "the Bible way," regardless of what he may think.The Born Again Movement traces its origin early in the 19th century.Born Again Movement arrived at our shores in the late 1930’s and gained its popularity in the 70’s and 80’s which is considered the golden era of Born Again Movement During these years membership in various Born Again Churches increased because they where able to infiltrate mainline Protestant Churches and had lured nominal Catholics into their fold.However their steady growth ceases starting the year 1990 and their membership declined in the succeeding years. In the year 2000 Born Again Churches from the United States sent their missionaries in the Philippines to re-established the Born Again Movement and this time their primary mission is no longer to infiltrate Protestant and Catholic Churches but targeted the youth in schools particularly college students.Born Again evangelist does not want to discuss the history of the Christian church, in their Bible studies with their prospects, they intentionally limit the discussion to the Bible alone. They conceal the history of the Christian religion because it will show that their movement did not originate from the apostles. It is necessary for them to negate history because St. Paul warned us not to accept teachings that did not originate from the apostles Gal.1:8 and Born Again Movement evidently cannot trace the history of their church into the time of the apostles.Clearly Born Again evangelization has deception as its chief foundation and they even used selected passages from the Bible to deceive people. They usually start evangelizing by asking ambiguous questions such as “Are you saved?” or “Are you born again?”, if the person answers “no or I don’t know” they will tell you that you must accept Christ as a Lord and Personal Savior in order to be born again otherwise you will be damned to hell. And if the person will answer “yes” they will invite you to their church and worship with them. And if the person is a Catholic that would mean that you have to leave the Catholic Church and do away your Catholic beliefs about Mary, the Saints, confession etc. Let us be vigilant not to fall to the snares of the Born Again movement.😎😎

[@besileiarhomaion8726]

Dude tf is wrong with you, you for real putting ur fetish in the faith, no abba doesn't mean daddy it means 'father' it basic aramaic same as Abi or Abu in arabic mean father or dad not daddy, the f., leave hypic sect join some legit church not that new age bs called 'born again'

[@dominicanderson9492]

That's just wrong though

[@faraway-bg5ux]

the only way protestants can win is if they argue with catholics heretics against heretics, they will never win against the orthodox church

[@besileiarhomaion8726]

@@dominicanderson9492 .looks like something sinister in that "daddy" i mean why even translate it like that besides the fact that it's wrong and doesn't use that grammatical form to indicate the "minimization", i mean its little bit fuckd up

[@dr_that_guy]

When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, He never said “Go talk to my mother.”

[@alebaneseman7330]

If you think we do not need prayer of the saints just see these Bible verses: In a dream, God commanded King Abimelech to ask Abraham to intercede for him: “For [Abraham] is a prophet and he will pray for you, so you shall live” (Gen. 20:7). When the Lord is angry with Job’s friends because they did not speak rightly about God, he tells them, “Let my servant Job pray for you because I will accept his [prayer], lest I make a terror on you” (Job 42:8). And Mary’s intercession is very important evidence is wedding at Cana

[@MooJoo]

@@alebaneseman7330 Those two examples you used are people who did not have faith in God like Job and Abraham did. That was the whole point!

[@alebaneseman7330]

@@MooJoo here is Bible Verses showing people who have Faith ask also can ask for prayer: Paul wrote to the Romans: “I exhort you, brothers, through our Lord Jesus Christ and through the love of the Spirit, to strive with me in prayers to God on my behalf, that I may be delivered from the disobedient in Judaea and that my ministry may be acceptable to the saints in Jerusalem, so that in the joy coming to you through the will of God I may rest with you” (Rom. 15:30-32). James says: “Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects” (James 5:16-17). Thus, according to Scripture, God wants us to pray for one another. This must mean that prayer for one another cannot detract from the role of Jesus Christ as our one mediator with God. Thus Mary’s intercession is indeed very very important. If you want to know why Mary’s intercession is important I can give Bible Verses. Also Praying to Saints in heaven is absolutely okay proven in Revelation, I can give specific verses if needed as well.

[@minuete82]

@@alebaneseman7330I think the discourse in the prayer walk among Christians is missing the point that God ultimately wants us to spend time with Him and one another. The bickering between Protestants and Catholics makes us no better than the early church who also dealt with “my faith is better than your faith”. Ultimately, one’s faith is judged by Jesus when their time comes to an end.

[@alebaneseman7330]

@@minuete82 I see what your trying to say, but this is not a solution, since there is only one Church established by Jesus Christ the Catholic Church, and logically as it as bright as the sun, Martin Luther is a heretic and Protestantism is a heresy, the “my faith is better then your faith” is not same case as a heresy spreading around, since I am preaching Catholicism bc of charity since the end for non Catholics sadly is hell, and I didn’t say it, The Bible says it.

[@jessicafitzgibbon7904]

I had the most spritual experience with the lord after my misscarraige i just felt his presence his arms wraped around me in my dispair. I believe he showed me my child in a vision to let me know he was ok and happy but did tell me i needed to let him go now. I was in a place where i wanted to hurt myself over what hsppened but the lords strength and support saved my life! I am forever grestful for the expirience he gave me to see him. I don't believe i can pray to my child as such but i believe the lord could bring a person to you to help you heal ect

[@SerendipitousProvidence]

LORD bless you

[@sandychilese2893]

My favorite quote about Mary comes from one of Charles Swindoll's books where he said, "If we venerate Mary for any reason, let it be for her remarkable example of faith and obedience." Just preached on this this morning during Advent 4. Lots of questions, but ultimately, I felt like some light bulbs lit up. Merry Christmas.

[@carolinerich7213]

I really appreciate this message. Catholics don’t quite understand this and that confuses me. Not just with Mary, but many dead Saints. It’s not biblical.

[@hSquaredSunshine]

Mary is not peoples' lawyer.

[@arspsychologia4401]

Would you ask your friend to pray for you? That's what's happening. Or at least, what they should be doing.

[@carolinerich7213]

@@arspsychologia4401 i totally understand what you’re saying, and that’s a great question. I would and do ask for prayer from my friends, just not when they’re dead. Yes they are alive in the Heavenly realm, i get that. I don’t see in the Bible where we are directed to talk to people who’ve passed on. Why not just pray directly to Jesus? He called us His friends. We have a direct line.

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

​@@arspsychologia4401I've had people pray for me before this year for my mom to get better from cancer she never did what was the point then

[@assyrianchristian764]

Okay issue I see here is an issue of the dead before judgement are they in soul sleep (this inactive) or awake after death (which intercession are possible)

[@jesusiskingofmyheart]

I grew up Catholic, born again Christian now. Jesus is the only way, the truth, and the life. Amen! ✝❤

[@bibleman8010]

The Council of Trent declared: 😂😂 “ . . . if they [men] were not born again in Christ, they would never be justified, since in that new birth there is bestowed upon them, through the merit of His passion, the grace by which they are made just . . He laid down the conditions of salvation thus: "He that believeth and is baptized," said the Son of the Living God, "shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be condemned" (Luke 16:16). Here, then, Our Blessed Lord laid down the two conditions of salvation: Faith and Baptism. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be condemned - or is damned Catholics not Born again Justin who died for his faith said in 151 A.D. “As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true . . . are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God the Father . . . and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit [Matt. 28:19], they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said,‘Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]” (First Apology 61). Around 190 A.D., Irenaeus, the bishop of Lyons, wrote, “And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]” (Fragment 34). In the year 252 A.D., Cyprian, the bishop of Carthage, said that when those becoming Christians “receive also the baptism of the Church . . . then finally can they be fully sanctified and be the sons of God . . . since it is written, ‘Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God’ [John 3:5]” (Letters 71[72]:1). Augustine wrote, “From the time he [Jesus] said, ‘Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5], and again, ‘He that loses his life for my sake shall find it’ [Matt. 10:39], no one becomes a member of Christ except it be either by baptism in Christ or death for Christ” (On the Soul and Its Origin 1:10 [A.D. 419]). Augustine also taught, “It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated . . . when that infant is brought to baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn. For it is not written, ‘Unless a man be born again by the will of his parents’ or ‘by the faith of those presenting him or ministering to him,’ but, ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit’ [John 3:5]. The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was generated in Adam” (Letters 98:2 [A.D. 408]). ONE LORD ONE FATIH ONE BAPTISM “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Ephesians 4:4-6) The one baptism (and the only valid baptism), is the baptism of the one faith, the baptism authorized by the one Lord and practiced by the one body, the church of Christ. “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body” (1 Corinthians 12:13). "Are you born again-the way the Bible understands that concept?" If the Evangelical has not been properly water baptized, he has not been born again "the Bible way," regardless of what he may think.The Born Again Movement traces its origin early in the 19th century.Born Again Movement arrived at our shores in the late 1930’s and gained its popularity in the 70’s and 80’s which is considered the golden era of Born Again Movement During these years membership in various Born Again Churches increased because they where able to infiltrate mainline Protestant Churches and had lured nominal Catholics into their fold.However their steady growth ceases starting the year 1990 and their membership declined in the succeeding years. In the year 2000 Born Again Churches from the United States sent their missionaries in the Philippines to re-established the Born Again Movement and this time their primary mission is no longer to infiltrate Protestant and Catholic Churches but targeted the youth in schools particularly college students.Born Again evangelist does not want to discuss the history of the Christian church, in their Bible studies with their prospects, they intentionally limit the discussion to the Bible alone. They conceal the history of the Christian religion because it will show that their movement did not originate from the apostles. It is necessary for them to negate history because St. Paul warned us not to accept teachings that did not originate from the apostles Gal.1:8 and Born Again Movement evidently cannot trace the history of their church into the time of the apostles.Clearly Born Again evangelization has deception as its chief foundation and they even used selected passages from the Bible to deceive people. They usually start evangelizing by asking ambiguous questions such as “Are you saved?” or “Are you born again?”, if the person answers “no or I don’t know” they will tell you that you must accept Christ as a Lord and Personal Savior in order to be born again otherwise you will be damned to hell. And if the person will answer “yes” they will invite you to their church and worship with them. And if the person is a Catholic that would mean that you have to leave the Catholic Church and do away your Catholic beliefs about Mary, the Saints, confession etc. Let us be vigilant not to fall to the snares of the Born Again movement.

[@susandanielwicz400]

I am Catholic still. Catholics are born again.

[@Simonet1309]

I grew up secular. Became a ‘born again’ evangelical. By the grace and mercy of God I was baptised into the Holy Orthodox church many years ago now. Orthodoxy: the fullness of truth. ☦️

[@joker18524]

you were born again at baptism not when you embraced heresy

[@rexlion4510]

@@susandanielwicz400 Another former RC here. I believe there are born again RCs and there are RC who are not born again, same as in any denomination. I have no quarrel with my dear RC brothers and sisters. But I have strong disagreement with the RC hierarchy and some of the doctrines they've established which are bad. They tend to lead their members to divide their faith between Jesus' propitiation and the acts of doing penances, doing good works, receiving of sacraments, etc., and even faith in the RCC itself (such that, for centuries, people were taught they'd lose their salvation if they left the RCC).

[@kmstins]

I always talk directly with Jesus. I took it quite literally and to heart when He said there is no way to our Father except with Him. Dad knows I'm not being disrespectful or ignoring Him by going to his Son. They are as one. ✝️👑🙏🐑🕊

[@samuellp1146]

Amen, I dont know where Jesus Christ said to pray to Angels, people who passed for guidance . People are just so making up stuff from the Bible that wasn't written🤦🏾‍♂️

[@kmstins]

@@samuellp1146 Exactly. We are never to pray to angels. They are servants of the Lord. They work for Him.

[@michaelayala5394]

Don't leave out the Holy Spirit!

[@kmstins]

@@michaelayala5394 Actually we are not to speak directly to or pray to the Holy Spirit. He is Jesus' representative. 😇

[@ghettomarc50]

​@@kmstins What Scripture says that?

[@Jamesps34]

This video just made me feel even more blessed to be Catholic.

[@jazzman1626]

One difference between Jesus and Mary that you’ve made me think about, is that when Mary died, and her spirit went to heaven, but her body decomposed like any other human’s. Jesus is alive, not just in spirit, but in body too, seeing as He was raised at His resurrection.

[@agatatres9076]

Revelation 12:1 is Mary

[@colin1818]

This is why the Roman church continues to add new doctrines about Mary. Consider that the bodily assumption of Mary wasn't official Catholic doctrine until 1950.

[@pitAlexx]

​@@agatatres9076 So Mary is clothed with the sun right now? Or is it just a symbol that Relevation is full of? If you take this vision literally, then you need to take the other visions also literally. A literal dragon, a literal beast... But that woman is Israel, here is the hint "a crown of twelve stars on her head" - those are the twelve tribes of Israel.

[@KristiLEvans1]

They disagree with that. The Assumption of Mary, bodily into Heaven, is a Roman Catholic dogma. It must be believed.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@agatatres9076no. It’s the church/Israel. Note the woman in Rev. had birth pangs. The Roman Catholic Mary did not experience those things, so using the woman in Rev., can’t fit the Roman Marian theology, either.

[@MrMoekanz]

When the disciples asked Jesus how they should pray he said “our father….” . He didn’t start it “hail Mary…” or “hello Abraham” or “hola Henry ”. Pray to the father, that is what Jesus taught.

[@colin1818]

And here I've been starting ALL of my prayers off with "hola Henry." Clearly, I have much to learn.

[@highinfovoter8909]

It's kind of crazy because there is so much scripture Catholics have to contend with on this subject. At a certain point it almost sounds like conspiracy theories. "You guys just don't understand, it's right in front of your face. You just have to take all these pieces that sound like I'm wrong and put them together in this precise way to understand the true meaning."

[@sonicrocks2007]

Well it is also taught all prayers go to saints and come to the place where Dead saints are made perfect and alive. So use context of the bible too

[@dog7881]

@@sonicrocks2007 do you have a scriptural citation for that claim?

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@dog7881 I think he's referencing a verse in Revelation.

[@kathyk5589]

What a great help you are to all Christians seeking deeper understanding of the Word of God. Thank you for all you do.

[@jackdale9249]

Catholic Truth Debunks Mike Winger on Praying to Mary Catholic Truth watch ! learn ! Mike Winger lies! is not godly !

[@TheOrthodoxClown]

“For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.” (Lk 1:48)

[@j.sargenthill9773]

I had an honest but sadly not very productive conversation with a catholic on this topic one time, and after he told me what he believed about Mary, that she was conceived immaculately, that she was bodily assumed into heaven, I asked where he justified those beliefs in scripture, and his answer was, if I needed scripture to justify my beliefs I wouldn't be catholic.

[@evage99]

I feel bad for laughing, but I did. That last bit sums up Catholicism very well, I'm afraid.

[@sonicrocks2007]

Sure it is in revelation. The woman fled the desert after given birth and given wings. Kinda have to do some back tracking but the current location of the woman giving birth to Jesus was heaven and she is given crown and stars to hold.

[@j.sargenthill9773]

@sonicrocks2007 thats a bit of a stretch. the woman could as easily be interpreted as Israel the nation. how does the rest of the passage about floods relate to Mary?

[@sonicrocks2007]

@@j.sargenthill9773 historically speaking it is amalgamation of Eve, Mary , and Israel and not a single individual. Because to be honest it fits them all not so well and contains stories from both. One is that when does Isreal go into the sky and given stars? Flood could be easily persecution of the jews that happened right Jesus birth and scattering of them and the Christians

[@julieelizabeth4856]

What do you think the majority of the early Christians did, with no printing press, no books of any kind in their possession, because they were expensive and most people couldn't read anyway? If the only way to pass down the faith was through written words (we didn't even have a closed canon of Scripture for over 300 years, and it was the councils of the Catholic Church that did it) Christianity would not have lasted long. The faith was handed down by word of mouth and by letter (not only by letter), according to Paul's letter.

[@stevej71393]

The interesting thing you realize when you read the Gospels from start to finish is how Mary doesn't really factor in the story as much as you'd expect. She is barely mentioned in Matthew or Mark, and is only mentioned a couple times in John. It's only in Luke that you get the nativity story, but Mary's role in Luke diminishes precipitously after that. You'd think that if Mary was meant to be such an important figure in a person's Christian life, the Word of God would say a lot more about her.

[@bibleman8010]

without Mary their would be no incarnation their would be no Gospels their would be no Jesus

[@claytonrath8033]

​@@bibleman8010 without John the Baptist, Jesus would not have been baptized and would not have started his earthly ministry. Without pontious pilate, Jesus would not have been crucified, and we would still be dead in our sins. Why don't you venerate those people as much as you do Mary?

[@bibleman8010]

@@claytonrath8033 without Mary their would have been no gospel just like i said

[@claytonrath8033]

@@bibleman8010 did you read my comment? Answer my question. Why don’t you venerate those other people? Without a LOT of people, there would be no gospel, no salvation, no crucifixion. I ask again: why don’t you venerate the other people?

[@geordiewishart1683]

Why not venerate Satan? When a believer is resurrected onto eternal life in his new body, he becomes an heir with Christ. So we will be elevated much more than our unfallen state. So why not praise Lucifer for causing Adam to sin?

[@pcjgrjpaj]

As a Catholic Christian I don't pray to Mary as an end in itself. I pray to her so that she will intercede to Jesus on my behalf.

[@ImSandyman]

So, you pray to her?

[@milosuchihaserbiamc9083]

@@ImSandyman Yea but no one is worshipping her

[@HARRYibnNIKO]

Dear brother, Mary is already resting with Jesus in Heaven. She doesn't need to strain herself to listen to the prayers of those who believe in Christ, nor can she do so-she is only human, not God! This is not about worshiping Mary, but about recognizing that she is only human and cannot hear all those who pray to her! Because only Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Omnipresent and Almighty, only Christ hears us all at once and answers us. Can you imagine if 1.5 billion Catholics were to turn to Mary simultaneously, do you think Mary Almighty and Omnipresent would hear everyone and pray to Jesus for them? This is simply heresy, brother. God fills all in all, not Mary! Moreover, the Old Testament condemns communication with the dead, it was said-communication with the dead is an abomination before God, so one might mistake Mary's appearance for an appearance of Satan or a demon in the guise of Mary (or an angel of light), and you'll become another Joseph Smith, rejecting all Christian denominations and creating your own religion as a false prophet; these are the consequences of communicating with the dead. God forbade any form of communication with the dead; through this, Satan or a demon can bring deception and many problems. Like communicating with deceased relatives-it's occultism. So why open the door to demonic forces through communication with the dead? Scripture clearly states that the mediator between God and humans is Jesus, so why do we need a mediator between Jesus and us if Jesus is not Allah of Muhammad, who is somewhere far away, but Jesus Christ lives in us with His Spirit and hears us? Mary does not have such authority, tasks, and responsibilities-Jesus and the Apostles do not teach such things! If you ask church ministers to pray for you (living church ministers, living on earth at the moment), that is normal, scripture does not condemn it but speaks of it as a normal practice, but praying to the dead and asking the dead to pray to Jesus for you is, first of all, an abomination before God, secondly, it diminishes the role of the Holy Spirit and Jesus, and thirdly, it smells of occultism, dear ones. Finally, understand this, Catholics. May the Lord abundantly bless you and open your eyes. I love you. The love of Christ and the communion of the Holy Spirit, His grace and mercy be with us all. Amen.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@HARRYibnNIKO You haven't read the bible or pray scripture if you think praying for one another whether dead or alive, in one the body alive in Christ is an abomination. There are saints in heaven. They are not working for themselves, but rather with the Church, the body of Christ. We see this in Rev 5, 6, 8, Hebrews 8 and other places as well.

[@HARRYibnNIKO]

@@Jesus3ITrustinThee Believers who are already in heaven have their own tasks and they do this on their own behalf without being intermediaries between God and people, there is no such thing in scripture, they pray on their own behalf saying: “How much longer to wait, Lord?” No one from them is praying for Barbara or Steve, they are praying for the Church as a whole, the Body of Christ. Because God is Wise and Merciful and does not let other people know that that person done when he was a sinner so as not to disgrace him, but God Himself accepts the prayers of this person and keeps them secret. And if a person stands firmly in faith, no one will know what that person once did. That is why believers and those who love Christ do not come to the Judgment. Only those who abandoned Christ will be disgraced at the trial. But Saints and Mary is Human. Diid u understand what I mean? On earth, believers have their own tasks for the Church, but we do not pray for the dead, because scripture says: “One day a person is destined to die, and then the Judgment.” There is no way to pray for those who have already died. Also there is no purgatory, that is not a biblical teaching, dear. What are you talking about? May the Lord open the eyes of your heart, May He give understanding to you! This is such obvious idolatry and blasphemy praying to Mary for forgiveness of sins and mercy that I’m even shocked why you don’t understand and don't see this! After all, there is Scripture, dear ones, use this. May God bless you.

[@angelyeager9991]

Whenever mankind tries to make God seem inaccessible by placing hierarchies and rituals in the way, I remind myself that a veil was torn when Jesus said ‘It is finished’ and yielded His spirit and deeply reflect on what that means about my relationship with God (more direct than ever). I have plenty of reminders of how unworthy I am for God’s mercy and grace but scripture says that I can approach the throne of God boldly with thanksgiving and praise. I don’t need someone else to do it for me however I do welcome joined prayers from fellowship of other believers in Jesus (people who are alive on earth) and join them in prayer as well for God’s will over our requests and intercession. I can agree with Catholics that Mary is a great woman and her life and story inspire my faith however I’m not praying to Mary nor have I found any scripture to encourage that either. It seems support to do that takes some stretch liberties with scripture and I don’t want to do that. There are plenty of stories of men mistakenly praying/worshiping angels in their presence and angel’s redirecting that glory to God. I think we have a human tendency to worship and glorify things and people that we shouldn’t be and our Father has to reign that in from time to time. Even the early Church got wayward in some of their early practices and Paul had to write letters to help correct and guide and lead us back to Jesus and the Gospel. I know God hears my prayers and have plenty of life testimony to feel rooted in that belief and knowing.

[@fabiotuan5206]

Amen!!

[@bibleman8010]

SAINTS are not among the dead, They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. Luke 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. Rev 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ➨ INTERCESSION of the SAINTS: REV 5 v 8...And when he had opened the book, the four living creatureS and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the lamb, having every one of them harps and golden bowls full of incense and the prayers of the saints. ➨RELICS of Saints The veneration of relics is seen explicitly as early as the account of Polycarp’s martyrdom written by the Smyrnaeans in A.D. 156. In it, the Christians describe the events following his burning at the stake: "We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom." The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life: "So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet" (2 Kgs. 13: 20-21). This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint! ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: Job 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS Rev 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb Mary and the Saints ARE in heaven sharing in the ressurrection and here's proof: ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transformation of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ➨HONOURING MARY: LUKE 1:48: All generations will call Mary Blessed. We Catholics are the ones who call her the BLESSED Virgin Mary and treat her accordingly. ➨NOWHERE does the bible permit protestants (or anyone else) to Scrutinize & monitor the prayers of other people, nor to judge their sincerity or their salvation. Protestantism does not come from jesus. It began with Martin Luther in 1517 & exists Only to oppose the Catholic church which Jesus founded 15 centuries B4 the protestant revolt. They only know & accept the PARTS of the Bible that suit them and they do not have an accurate bible either.😍😍

[@OppressedPotato]

They're dead and in Heaven now with God. That doesn't make then God themselves. Man has no power, we only partake in His free grace

[@Jay-oj4hj]

@@bibleman8010 The Heavenly army, or the army of the Lord consists of angels, not humans.

[@jackdale9249]

Catholic Truth Debunks Mike Winger on Praying to Mary Catholic Truth watch ! learn ! Mike Winger lies! is not godly !

[@shawnambrisco4598]

“For there is One GOD, and One ‘Mediator’ Between GOD and man, the man CHRIST JESUS.” ~ Apostle Paul ~ (1 Tim 2:5)

[@alfray1072]

Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, the woman of revelation, NT Gebirah-Queen mother and Daughter of Zion that is why we pray for her intercession and protection because she leads you to the real Jesus of the Trinity not protestant fake z!0nist Jesus. Saints and angels intercede for us in heaven (REV 5,6,8) Intercessory prayers are instructed by St. Paul in 1 TIMOTHY 2:1. What does EPHESIANS 6:18 says? MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS ! Mary is not just a saint, she is the Ark of the New Covenant, The NT Gebirah-Queen Mother, Daughter of Zion and the woman of revelation that is why we pray for her protection and intercession. SUPPLICATION (DEFINITION) - The action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly. EPHESIANS 6:18 Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, LUKE 1:28 HAIL FULL OF GRACE ROMANS 16:6 Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you. PHILIPPIANS 4:21 Salute ye every saint in Christ Jesus. Saints and angels in heaven interceding for us in REVELATION 4, 5, 6, 8. "Mediator" is Christ alone in one sense. As intercessors all members are " mediators". according to Catholicism and Scripture: 1- The Church is the body of Christ 2- There is only one body of Christ, not one on earth and another one in heaven. 3- Death does not separate the members of the body. 4- Christians are bound by the Law of Christ to love and pray for one another.

[@riki101]

When you ask for the saints intercession, they take it to Jesus. Intersession is not being a mediator

[@randycarson9812]

Catholics love and agree fully with that verse. However, we also know the shortcoming of your reasoning. Looking at scripture more fully, we recognize that we are called to share in the priesthood of all believers: You also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:5) You are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. (1 Peter 2:9) A priest, by definition, is called to be a mediator between God and men. In a limited way, each of us, as priests, are called to this role and to be mediators for others before God through Jesus. Therefore, if we are all called to be mediators and intercessors for one another, how much more can this be said of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, who said, “Yes” to God and brought Jesus into the world?

[@robertkolinsky1286]

The c9nte " tye context of that verse is his Redemption as the very next verse explains," who have himself a Redemption for all". He is the one mediator of redemption. This doesn't mean intercession is bad though otherwise we couldn't pray for others. And paul in the very first of that chapter says," I desire therefore that supplications, prayers, INTERCESSIONS be made for all men.... for these are good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth". Then he follows later explaining christ as one mediator. This proves that intercessions dint conflict with his one mediatorship since they are about participating in it.

[@randycarson9812]

@@robertkolinsky1286 I think we agree. 🙂

[@user-de4jk8vj4c]

I tend to break things down simply. I once asked a Catholic friend why they would pray to Mary instead of Jesus, and she said she identified more with Mary. That led me to believe she was not a believer, and did not have a relationship with Jesus. Led her down the "Romans Road", but she had a hard time believing the scriptures. Fast forward to today, and she is a Christ follower, due to God pouring into her life through different people. Thankful that she is now a believer!

[@bibleman8010]

Have you ever listened to the words of the most used Marian prayer of all, the Hail Mary? *** "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee." *** This is nothing more than the salutation of Gabriel in Luke 1:28. *** "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus)." *** That is Elizabeth's greeting to Mary in Lk 1:42. ***"Holy Mary, mother of GOD." *** She is a saint which makes her holy, and she is the Mother of GOD, because Elizabeth calls her the 'Mother of Our Lord' in Lk 1:43. Also if you take Jn 1:1 "...and the Word was GOD', and add it to Jn 1:14, "...and the Word was made flesh", GOD was made flesh, and who was His mother? Mary! *** "Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, amen." *** This is nothing more than petitioning Mary to PRAY FOR US, just like in the Bible verses I presented. Do we 'pray to' Mary, or are we only petitioning her to pray for us? Rom 15:30, "...help me by your prayers to GOD for me." Col 1:9, "This is why we too have been praying for you unceasingly." 1Thes 3:10, "Night and day we pray more and more..." 2Thes 1:11, "To this end we pray always for you." 2Thes 3:1, "In conclusion brethren, pray for us..." Jam 5:16, "...and pray for one another that you may be saved." Rev 8:3-4 "...that he may offer it with the prayers of all the saints..." According to Scripture, are the saints in Heaven dead or alive? Now the next question is, 'Yes, but it is repetitious (the Rosary) and that is forbidden by scripture'. (Mt 6:7) OK, look at the entries listed above which have the asterisk (*) in front of them. Are not Col 1:9, "This is why we have been praying for you unceasingly...", 1Thes 3:10, "Night and day we pray more and more...", and 2Thes 1:11, "To this end we pray always for you...", repetitious? Is this one of those so called 'Bible Conflicts' you hear about from time to time? No, not at all. The answer is that the Bible refers to two types of prayer repetition '(V)ain', in the manner of heathens, and '(U)seful', NOT in the manner of heathens. The Rosary is not vain repetition. Here is a list of some in each category that you can check in your Bible. (V) 1King 18:25-29, (U) Isa 6:3, (U) Dan 3:52-90, (V) *Mt 6:7, (U) Mt *26:44, (U) *Lk 6:12, (U) Lk 18:1,9-14,*21:36, (U)*Col 1:9, (U) 1Thes 3:10,5:17, (U) *Jam 5:16, (U) **Rev 4:8 Many non-Catholics have the false belief that praying to "dead" people is useless. This is a mis-interpretation of what Holy Scripture teaches us, for the Blessed Virgin Mary and others who have gone on before us are not dead but live forever.👍👍

[@raphaelfeneje486]

​​@@bibleman8010 Can we agree that Gideon in the Bible is now divine because the Angel of the LORD saluted him in a unique way too??? Your logic crumbles. Your name is an irony. You don't know the Bible. Change it

[@tony1685]

@@raphaelfeneje486 while @bibleman isn't Biblical, you're right - his name is irony - catholicism mandates sin and hates God, according to the Word of Truth. *Happy Sabbath!!!* today is the LORD's day and i pray church this morning is a blessing for all who know God, love Christ and walk in Truth!

[@user-it4yh8hx8w]

​@@raphaelfeneje486When did he ever claim Mary was divine

[@raphaelfeneje486]

@@user-it4yh8hx8w Praying to anything is ascribing divinity to it. Have you read the Glories of Mary?? Mary is called Omnipotent and Omniscient. And that God obeys her.

[@JasmyneTheodora]

I’m Orthodox and we pray to and venerate the Saints, as well. It’s truly a lovely practice… Martin Luther prayed the Rosary, btw. Also, a gentle reminder that “pray” means simply “to ask”. That’s it. We ask the Saints to pray for us on our behalf. Hebrews 12:22-24: “But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.”

[@DG-mv6zw]

Martin Luther is not the benchmark. S rupture is, and Scripture does not support the praying to the "saints". Incidentally, we who are regenerated through Christ are called saints.

[@bibleman8010]

@@DG-mv6zw SAINTS are not among the dead, They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. Luke 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. Rev 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ➨ INTERCESSION of the SAINTS: REV 5 v 8...And when he had opened the book, the four living creatureS and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the lamb, having every one of them harps and golden bowls full of incense and the prayers of the saints. ➨RELICS of Saints The veneration of relics is seen explicitly as early as the account of Polycarp’s martyrdom written by the Smyrnaeans in A.D. 156. In it, the Christians describe the events following his burning at the stake: "We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom." The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life: "So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet" (2 Kgs. 13: 20-21). This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint! ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: Job 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS Rev 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb Mary and the Saints ARE in heaven sharing in the ressurrection and here's proof: ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transformation of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ➨HONOURING MARY: LUKE 1:48: All generations will call Mary Blessed. We Catholics are the ones who call her the BLESSED Virgin Mary and treat her accordingly. ➨NOWHERE does the bible permit protestants (or anyone else) to Scrutinize & monitor the prayers of other people, nor to judge their sincerity or their salvation. Protestantism does not come from jesus. It began with Martin Luther in 1517 & exists Only to oppose the Catholic church which Jesus founded 15 centuries B4 the protestant revolt. They only know & accept the PARTS of the Bible that suit them and they do not have an accurate bible either.✔✔

[@emilycoranorden3250]

Also, Saint Paul's handkerchief in Acts brought about healing. Another example of the veneration of relics

[@bibleman8010]

@@TylerTuch-tq9ke Ever hear of Sheol or Hades that’s were the word was derived from in Latin "purgatorio" Purgatory The Greek word used for fire is "" (puroo) of which "pur" is the root word for Purgatory. a translation of Hades and Sheol. By the way The word Trinity and Easter Isn’t in the Bible either where did they come from ….. Hell" is english, "sheol" is Hebrew, "hades" is Greek. Purgatory is Latin for the same The Abode of the Just - Abraham's Bosom (Lk 16:22-26) This is where they awaited their promised deliverance. Gehenna (Greek): This is the lake of fire. Eternal damnation (Mt:18:9) The good guys went to the Abode of the Just (Abraham's Bosom), the bad guys when to gehenna. There was a great chasm between the two places and there was no way to get to one side from the other. (Mt:18:9). Christ descended into hell on Good Friday so he could rescue the righteous from the part of hell where the righteous were.(1 Pt 3:18-19) Jesus is the only way to Heaven so it was important that he descended to the dead. (Jn 14:6) Jesus didn't go to hell as a dead guy. He went there as the Saviour. Jesus blew down the doors of the Abode of the Just and grabbed out every faithful servant of God from the beginning of history. He rescued them and freed them from this prison on Holy Saturday. Praise God! That must have been a great party. gee Christ preached to those who were asleep I wonder if they herd him Christ says in Matthew that, like Jonah, he would be in the belly of the earth for 3 days. Acts tells us Christ remained on earth for 40 days before He ascends. So there were 43 days BEFORE Christ went to Heaven. Did the good thief go ahead of the Lord to make sure the lights were on for His arrival? Or, more likely, Paradise that Christ mentions, is Abrahams Boosom. The place where the prisoners Christ preached to in 1st Peter were awaiting the Messiah Take your SDA soul Sleep and shove it🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Luther was an antisemite, too. Was that okay??

[@bronsonf1]

For my own testimony; I went from a state of almost faithlessness to full blown love for Jesus Christ and a complete abandonment from sin. All I did was pick up a rosary and starting praying it daily. It took about 1 month to get results. My heart was carried directly to Christ through our mother Mary. I am brought to tears (weeping) almost daily during prayer and reflection. I have had dreams that have come true. Intuitions that have led to wonderful exchanges with my neighbors and family and waking visions during mental prayer. I had God speak to me directly. He spoke the word "John". So I read the Gospel according to John and was completely moved by our Lord's words Especially John 3 verse 19-21. I had to rest after reading it. Stop running away from the Blessed Virgin Mary. You do so at your own Peril. Luke 1 verse 46-55 46 And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, 48 for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation. 51 He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts; 52 he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate; 53 he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty. 54 He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy, 55 as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his offspring forever.”

[@MossEYE-]

And that context only means what you have been taught for it to mean. It didnt mean what you may claim for almost 500+ years after Christ

[@joshmonus]

Mary was a sinner. Don't pray to the dead because this is necromancy.

[@Demun1649]

@@MossEYE- Another Lockdown channel? I thought that you WASPs believed in the ETERNAL WORD OF GOD contained in the Bible? Yet, it seems, that YOU don't believe that. You split Scripture between History and Social Expectations. Explain your last sentence. THEOLOGICALLY, using quotes from the Bible, and Commentaries, if you have any of those.

[@raphmarcotte7379]

Beautiful and true!!! I totally relate to that for the most part! My spiritual life is not the same as your since I did not experience dream of Mary and it is not Mary who have brought me back to my faith but praying the rosary totally help me have a "spiritual fitness planning" if you know what I mean. I bet you know. Protestants should focus on what unite us and keep in mind that false testimony against a Christian brother is a serious sin! Plus by the mesure you judge others by that mesure you will be judge and we all fall short of righteousness before the lord. Just saying

[@HARRYibnNIKO]

Dear beloved brother, all christians honor Mary this way according to the Scriptures correctly. God magnified Mary, that is, glorified her, but did not make her the fourth Person of the Trinity Almighty and Omnipresent. There is no point in praying to Mary for the reason that she does not hear us, she cannot do this, she is a human, she is died, she is not God who is omnipresent and Almighty, she can generally intercede with God for us, but she cannot hear you personally or anyone else, especially if you both are praying at the same time, one is in Russia and the other is in the USA. How can she do this? She's not GOD Omnipresent! As one brother said: if Mary's role were so important in mediating between man and God, then Christ and the Apostles would have certainly said about it. The human heart is prone to idolatry. Mary is already resting with Jesus in Heaven. She doesn't need to strain herself to listen to the prayers of those who believe in Christ, nor can she do so - she is only human, not God! This is not about worshiping Mary, but about recognizing that she is only human and cannot hear all those who pray to her! Because only Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Omnipresent and Almighty, only Christ hears us all at once and answers us. Can you imagine if 1 billion Catholics were to turn to Mary simultaneously, do you think Mary Almighty and Omnipresent would hear everyone and pray to Jesus for them? This is simply heresy, bro. God fills all in all, not Mary! Moreover, the Old Testament condemns communication with the dead, it was said - communication with the dead is an abomination before God, so one might mistake Mary's appearance for an appearance of Satan or a demon in the guise of Mary (or an angel of light), and you'll become another Joseph Smith (mormons), rejecting all Christian denominations and creating your own religion as a false prophet; these are the consequences of communicating with the dead. God forbade any form of communication with the dead; through this, Satan or a demon can bring deception and many problems. Like communicating with deceased relatives - it's occultism. Do not open the door to demonic forces through communication with the dead? Scripture clearly states that the mediator between God and humans is Jesus, so why do we need a mediator between Jesus and us if Jesus is not inaccessible and distant Allah of Muhammad, who is somewhere far away, but Jesus Christ lives in us with His Spirit and hears us? But Mary does not have such authority, tasks, and responsibilities - Jesus and the Apostles do not teach such things! If you ask church ministers to pray for you (humans who alive and living on earth at this moment), that is normal, scripture does not condemn it but talks about it as a normal practice, but praying to the dead and asking the dead to pray to Jesus for you is, first of all, an abomination before God, secondly, it diminishes the role of the Holy Spirit and Jesus, and thirdly, it smells of occultism, dear ones. Finally, understand this, Catholics. May the Lord abundantly bless you and open your eyes. I love you. The love of Christ and the communion of the Holy Spirit, His grace and mercy be with us all. Amen.

[@b.j.friedman2456]

And Mary didn't didn't die on the Cross for us.

[@neortik7]

AMEN !!! I love seeing people telling the Truth about this

[@colin1818]

She certainly did not, but the Roman church has continually added new doctrines about her and tries to inch as close to that claim as they can. Consider CCC 964 which relates Mary's (claimed) activity during the crucifixion: "There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born to her" They go on in CCC 966 and claim that "by [her] prayers" she will "deliver our souls from death." Who needs Jesus when you have Mary apparently.

[@highinfovoter8909]

@@colin1818 They also claim she lived a sinless life and didn't die, if I recall correctly. It almost makes you wonder why Jesus even came. Mary could've done the work!

[@colin1818]

@@highinfovoter8909 - Correct. CCC 493 claims they "call the Mother of God 'the All-Holy' and celebrate her as 'free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature'. By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life"

[@neortik7]

@@colin1818 wow they even claim it’s his only begotten son they really don’t respect God

[@Daniel-deMerrivale]

Thanks Mike. I listen to your podcasts daily and the Passover connections to Jesus has been awesome learning. The purest lamb (Lamb of God) chosen for sacrifice. That was a world shaker!

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

Regarding prayer, as a Catholic we believe we are commissioned by the Lord to pray for one another, with the church on Earth and in Heaven. James 5:16 “confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.” 1 John 5:16 “If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life.” Thus, we ask one another to pray for us and we pray for one another as Christians. This prayer is efficacious, in that it is not useless or ineffective, but actually is a part of our baptism at 1 Peter 4:10-11 “As each one has received a gift, use it to serve one another as good stewards of god’s varied [manifold] grace. 11 Whoever preaches, let it be with the words of God; whoever serves, let it be with the strength that God supplies, SO THAT IN ALL THINGS God may be glorified through Jesus Christ” so that “by the word of God, what is seen is not made out of what is visible” (Heb 11:3) and this word is Jesus Christ working through us because as at John 1:14-17 “he is the word became flesh . . . the Father’s only Son, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH . . . Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ” . . . and continues to do so through us as stewards of God’s manifold grace (Mt. 10:7-11; Rev 1:5-6; 1 Peter 4:10). By our Baptism we are united into one body (Eph 4:4-6 4 “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all”). We are all united in God’s spirit (Colossians 1:16, “in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him”). It is his spirit that draws us to pray for and request prayer from one another. As Catholics we do not believe this stops because of death, but rather death is overcome and when we ask those who have died or not yet died to pray for us, we do so by means of the one body of our baptism. After-all, it is not us who pray, but rather the Holy Spirit who intercedes with inexpressible groanings (Rom 8:26), and the gates of hell will not withstand us (Mt 16:18). Thus, we view prayer not necessarily as worship alone, but rather also in communication to one another and God to continue building the Kingdom of God. Today, for example, we make a prayer to court when we file a motion or request; it is a prayer for relief. As such, prayers to angels, guardian angels, saints, or our dead are done to ask for assistance or further prayer to God, just as we would one another alive on earth, and not as a form of worship that is reserved to God, his Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit as one God in three persons alone. Rather, it is done in and within one body in communion with Christ as our Leader and Savior (Acts 5:30-32) by the Holy Spirit so that Hebrews 12:1 “since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us”. Thus, let me just say, asking for prayer to one another is not done in a vacuum, but rather it is done as brothers and sisters who worship Christ and him alone for allowing ourselves “to be like living stones, being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 2:5), as part of our true family in God (Mt 12:50 whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother). Asking for the assistance of angels is also done through Jesus and in his body, His people, the Church because in Jesus “we will judge angels” (1 Cor 6:3) and it is these angels that “are ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation” (Heb 1:14). And thus as ministers of grace in Jesus Christ, as priests called to sacrifice for one another and to the glory of our eternal Father, we call forth angels to minister for one another as well.

[@dockbabington422]

The explanation you provide is well throughout and scripturally accurate. However you are trying to reach stiff necked Prots.

[@HARRYibnNIKO]

Dear brother, Mary is already resting with Jesus in Heaven. She doesn't need to strain herself to listen to the prayers of those who believe in Christ, nor can she do so-she is only human, not God! This is not about worshiping Mary, but about recognizing that she is only human and cannot hear all those who pray to her! Because only Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Omnipresent and Almighty, only Christ hears us all at once and answers us. Can you imagine if 1.5 billion Catholics were to turn to Mary simultaneously, do you think Mary Almighty and Omnipresent would hear everyone and pray to Jesus for them? This is simply heresy, brother. God fills all in all, not Mary! Moreover, the Old Testament condemns communication with the dead, it was said-communication with the dead is an abomination before God, so one might mistake Mary's appearance for an appearance of Satan or a demon in the guise of Mary (or an angel of light), and you'll become another Joseph Smith, rejecting all Christian denominations and creating your own religion as a false prophet; these are the consequences of communicating with the dead. God forbade any form of communication with the dead; through this, Satan or a demon can bring deception and many problems. Like communicating with deceased relatives-it's occultism. So why open the door to demonic forces through communication with the dead? Scripture clearly states that the mediator between God and humans is Jesus, so why do we need a mediator between Jesus and us if Jesus is not Allah of Muhammad, who is somewhere far away, but Jesus Christ lives in us with His Spirit and hears us? Mary does not have such authority, tasks, and responsibilities-Jesus and the Apostles do not teach such things! If you ask church ministers to pray for you (living church ministers, living on earth at the moment), that is normal, scripture does not condemn it but speaks of it as a normal practice, but praying to the dead and asking the dead to pray to Jesus for you is, first of all, an abomination before God, secondly, it diminishes the role of the Holy Spirit and Jesus, and thirdly, it smells of occultism, dear ones. Finally, understand this, Catholics. May the Lord abundantly bless you and open your eyes. I love you. The love of Christ and the communion of the Holy Spirit, His grace and mercy be with us all. Amen.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@HARRYibnNIKO Thank you for your opinion. We know that it is the Holy Spirit himself that unites us into the body of Christ for by "one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greek, whether slaves or free, we are all made to drink of one Spirit (1 Cor 12). "If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness (Rom 8)". "Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection, the second death has no power over these" (Rev 20:6a). We know that we do not pray as we ought but rather the Holy "Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words . . . He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God (Rom 8). And so we see in the heavenly vision at the throne of God that the Elders of God fall down before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense which are the prayers of the Saints (Rev 5:8b). And the Angel before God who is given the prayers of all the saints along with their own prayers to hand up to God (Rev. 8:3b-4).

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@HARRYibnNIKO “Therefore, SINCE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SO GREAT A CLOUD OF WITNESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us . . . 22 No, you have approached Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and countless angels in festal gathering, 23 and *THE ASSEMBLY [CHURCH] OF THE FIRSTBORN ENROLLED IN HEAVEN* and God the judge of all, and the *SPIRITS OF THE JUST MADE PERFECT* , 24 and Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood that speaks more eloquently than that of Abel. ” - Hebrews 12:1, 22-24.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@HARRYibnNIKO “Therefore, confess your sins to one another and PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, THAT YOU MAY BE HEALED. THE PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS PERSON HAS GREAT POWER as it is working.” - James 5:16. And we do not stop at death with the Church Triumphant in heaven, but we work in prayer and supplication for and with the Church militant on earth, as Paul says “ *PRAY AT ALL TIMES IN THE SPIRIT WITH ALL PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION TO THAT END KEEP ALERT WITH ALL PERSEVERANCE MAKING SUPPLICATION FOR ALL THE SAINTS* …” - Ephesians 6:18. And as we will also together with them come down from heaven with Jesus Christ as King, riding one with another to conquer in the armies of heaven (Rev. 19:14). Come Lord Jesus. Amen.

[@akwinas_a_o]

As a Catholic who was at one Protestant, I get the many ways we talk past each other and the different language we use. That said, Catholicism is a very relational practice of Christianity. A couple of things that might be helpful to note - 1) We agree there is one salvific mediator between God and man - Jesus. 2) We believe that ultimately any grace bestowed on Christians is through the power of God, and because of that there is no requirement to pray to anyone other than Jesus/God. However, there’s no reason not to ask for help and guidance from the entire body of Christ, both those on Earth and those alive in heaven. Asking for intercession is not necromancy or conjuring up spirits. We respect the saints and mother of Christ, even as Luther recognized. This is a different worldview to protestants, yes. But this is also how the Church has functioned throughout history. We do not view God as in competition with His creation, especially when they act as conduits to God’s glory (Is 26:12). I am sorry for anyone who has had a poor experience with the Church and I pray for reconciliation for those who left the Church and that one day we may be one again.

[@nicolasramirez3944]

Amen brother!

[@smoothsoulbrotha]

The departed body of Christ doesn't have some supernatal gift to hear prayers though. Only God can hear. So we really would be praying to God to tell those in heaven to pray to God for us. Why not just approach the throne of grace with boldness through Christ and skip the mental gymnastics?

[@akwinas_a_o]

@@smoothsoulbrotha The saints absolutely can hear us and there’s biblical and traditional precedent for this no doubt a protestant would interpret differently. Okay, so set that aside. You can still make the same arguments for earthly intercession. Why not go directly to God in all cases? There are no mediators in any sense right? The answer is the same across the board - God intends us to be relational and thus he uses other people as a means of grace.

[@nicolasramirez3944]

@@smoothsoulbrotha The prayer of the righteous man can accomplish much. Who is more righteous than those who have passed and are in the presence of God? We are not asking the saints to heal us, we are asking them for the easy and manageable task of praying for us to God.

[@smoothsoulbrotha]

@@akwinas_a_o That's very different from being in presence of someone on earth. It takes mental gymnastics to state otherwise. You intend well but realistically no one except God has omniscience or omnipresence to be able to hear all of these prayers. The only way they can do so is if God tells them. I don't need anything supernatural to ask a friend to pray to God. They are right there. Huge difference. We who have relationship with God do go directly in all cases. It's more of a just be honest and realistic. Catholicism is hung up on the word protestant (which means nothing to me) and all sorts of trivial things to try to hide its sins and covering up poor judgement to attempt to appear correct. My faith is not defined by those opinions but rather what the Spirit guides and instructs me to do. Certainly direct prayer to the dead is a man made tradition. Outside of Christianity, it is prayer to the ancestors. If I desire to communicate with the departed, it's humbly leaving it to God to give the message. Traditions are nice but they need to make sense theologically as to what is really being done, not just in light of intention.

[@ST52655]

“When people are dead, you stop talking to them.” E♥x♥a♥c♥t♥l♥y♥

[@francois8033]

Protestants think people don't live on?

[@NP9CPO5K0]

Well, I guess you have never visited a cemetery or a gravesite. You'll find a lot of people "talking to the dead". In fact many cultures encourage the practice of interacting with the dead in the context of the grieving process. Why should Christianity be any different?

[@traviswilson4700]

@@NP9CPO5K0 Because the Bible explicitly tells us not to.

[@alanweakley5663]

They are not dead i don’t understand how its that difficult for you prots to understand

[@b.valero2208]

@@alanweakley5663but they are dead, their bodies are dead and decomposed. Yes they are alive in Christ, but that does not make the saints who have passed now omnipotent and omnipresent to where they can hear countless prayers across the world simultaneously.

[@sandiland0000]

I believe the former things will not be remembered… i’m trusting My Mom who died in Christ is no longer even having to see or view this evil, sad world. I have never seen or read anywhere in my bible that i’m suppose to reach out and pray to her or anyone else who has passed on. Jesus said HE is the way….. not my Mom. I have a direct line connected to our Lord who is the Only one answering, judging and hearing my thoughts and prayers. ❤

[@DarthPoyner]

Very much this. When my mother was on this earth I asked her to intercede with me and pray for the things that needed be done. My mom was a saint of a woman. But now that she has gone home to be with her Jesus, I would not call her attention to the woes of this world or this life. She taught me how to pray and speak to the lord. That is the legacy she left me. Her work is done. It is the height of selfishness to think that your problems are important enough to take away the peace of those that have gone before.

[@josiahrondeau4095]

The former things WILL be remembered! We will give glory to our Lord all the more for it! Now I am not saying we will be worrying about what goes on on earth, but in Isaiah “The former things will not be remembered,” God is speaking here, he will not remember (choose not to) what wretched sinners we were on earth. Because he is building a new heaven and a new earth.

[@ChristinaBiasca]

We will for sure remember our life on earth. We see examples of this in scripture.

[@elenaolivera5468]

Amen Amen!!

[@milosuchihaserbiamc9083]

No one is saying Mary is the way tho

[@husq48]

Lol, that's a horrible analogy Mike, we as Catholics are not going to witches to conjure up the spirit of Mary! 🤣

[@husq48]

@@WindRises67 You're mad! 🤪

[@geoffjs]

@@WindRises67wrong, wrong, wrong. Get your facts right, don’t lie

[@anonymousone2843]

Mary was a Godly and obedient woman, wife and mother. She is an example for women on how to walk as a woman of God. That is what she is, and nothing more. She can't do anything for anyone other than be an example like other Godly and obedient women in Scripture. Why do we need an intercession through anyone when Jesus IS the bridge for humanity to God? We don't. We each have direct access to Christ without needing anything or anyone else. We have the Holy Spirit indwelling inside of us as saved Christians. There is no need to seek help from the dead. God Bless 🥰

[@7ruijorge]

for me one of the greatest scriptures with regards against marian worship is when someone tried to exalt her, Jesus put the emphysis on the word of God: And it came to pass, as He spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare Thee, and the paps which Thou hast sucked. But He said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11:27-28 KJV

[@maluill]

Catholics don't worship Mary.

[@iceyhotfire]

Pretty sure you mean veneration, because no Christian worships Mary. Also, I dont see how this verse would condemn the veneration of Mary.

[@sonicrocks2007]

you didnt discuss Revelation 5 and 8. Where all prayers ascend and help and literially in greek uses the word Echod. By Angels and Saints. Then Jesus takes Peter to meet Moses in Mathew. Then Paul mentions in Hebrews that you Come to the place where Dead saints are. Then jesus himself talked to the dead both here on earth and shoel. Then he even preaches to them in Peter. You also forget that in Revelation Mary is taken up to heaven. And is given role of being over the stars etc.

[@7ruijorge]

@@iceyhotfire To bow in Hebrew means to worship, what you disguise as veneration is worship. Why would we want to venerate anyone else other than the very one who died for me in my place. The Lord Jesus stood in the gap for us and even now does so, having sent the Holy Spirit. Have you been baptised with the Holy Spirit? Read Luke chapter 11.....

[@tylercurtis764]

Yes and no mortal creature kept the word of God better than Mary.

[@FRN2013]

Mary is only human! She can't understand 10,000 people talking to her at the same time! Why not talk to Mary's Creator? Because the hearts of people are prone to become idolatrous.

[@crait]

She probably cannot even speak English!

[@calebpanopio9070]

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ [13] And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!" Please explain to me how John, a finite being, was able to hear every creature in heaven, on the earth, and under earth. 🙂

[@GKong3]

@@calebpanopio9070 .. because they're all saying the exact same thing at the exact same time? You know, like a choir? I can't hear what 10 people are saying *in my presence* if they're all talking about separate/different things, but if they're all reciting the Pledge of Allegiance or whatever, then yeah, I can.

[@dawnmichelle4403]

​@@calebpanopio9070well, to be fair, they were all saying the same thing. It's easy to hear lots of people speaking in unison but very hard to hear even one person clearly in a large group of people all saying different things.

[@arspsychologia4401]

Why not honor the Mother of our Lord, and the many people who are in Heaven? Why not ask them to pray for us? They're more alive than we are.

[@ShugaAnims]

The key difference is how protestants and catholics/Orthodox define prayer. In terms of worship, we all only pray to the Father Son and Holy Spirit. But for Catholics and Orthodox, prayer can also be communication/request. So we can pray to Mary as well as other Saints as a way of asking them to pray for us. Kinda like how you may ask a friend or family member to pray for you during hard times. Hope this helps with any confusion.

[@jordankellington7580]

Good explanation. Prayer has more than one definition

[@theresagrimshaw1285]

The Catholic Church teaches that Mary is co mediatrix with Christ. As a former Catholic this was one of my biggest reasons I left.

[@julieelizabeth4856]

"Co" does not mean "equal." She cooperated, but is not considered on the same level as God.

[@fabiotuan5206]

@@julieelizabeth4856 She co- operates like the 4rth member you mean?

[@fabiotuan5206]

Catholics say mary is not omnipresent yet they have the lady of fatima, lady of Guadelope, lady of Lourdes etc..Hmm!

[@michaelbloom5342]

Catholics believe that Mary was without sin. Only one was without sin: Jesus. Mary even said that Jesus was her Saviour. If she needed a Saviour, she had indeed sinned.

[@arronhaggerty9125]

I spoke with the Mary chain prayer group,or rosary chain group or something like that, don’t know if they were nuns or just women. The flatly deny that he had brothers or sisters even though I used the time they come to see him in the synagogue! And other scriptures 🤷🏻‍♂️ they believe she didn’t die and just ascended to heaven. I witnessed to another lady catholic and asked her to read the bible and study Mary in the New Testament , she was shocked how little is said about her. That might be a good starting point too! Btw I used to be catholic 🤦🏻

[@Littleangel_-jp4xb]

I used to be Catholic, too. They are, for the most part, convinced everyone else is wrong, even Scripture. Catechism trumps God's word. 🥺

[@aceaceron1026]

Something tells me I need to say more rosaries.

[@jackdale9249]

Catholic Truth Debunks Mike Winger on Praying to Mary Catholic Truth watch ! learn ! Mike Winger lies! is not godly !

[@tori_va807]

And THAT is an evil entity, because you can't communicate with the dead physically. Trying to talk to dead people is necromancy, we can talk to Jesus because Jesus literally rose from the dead. He's alive. Mary doesn't know you, and she's resting with the other saints. Talk to Jesus

[@theSpaghettimeister]

I absolutely do believe in Orthodox and Catholic doctrine on intercession because of Scripture. I believed that before I was taught by the Orthodox Church - I am an ex-Protestant convert received last year - and see no reason to abandon it now. May the most holy Theotokos and all the Saints pray for us. Κῡ́ριε ἐλέησον

[@eiondevelopment9780]

Romans 8:26-39 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Then you are confused and blind like Scripture says. You are in a snare of Satan. You need to put your faith in Christ to be saved, not some apostate religious institution that teaches heretical doctrine that contradicts Christ and the Apostles.

[@theSpaghettimeister]

@@eiondevelopment9780 if they actually contradicted Christ, I'd have left already.

[@eiondevelopment9780]

@@theSpaghettimeister Then you must not know or read your Bible much. For anyone who reads and knows their Bible, it is obvious that Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy are not of Christ.

[@theSpaghettimeister]

@@eiondevelopment9780 You can keep slandering us until the Lord returns, but it is just slander

[@eiondevelopment9780]

@@theSpaghettimeister Why haven't you addressed anything I've said? How about address the fact that Jesus Christ Himself told us to pray to our Father who knows what we need of before we ask Him when we pray... and the Apostle Paul says that we don't even know what we should pray for as we ought so the Spirit itself intercedes for our prayers according to the will of God? This fully contradicts your religious institution's doctrine of intercession. Please actually address this. There are many more we can discuss as well. I can fully prove your "church" to not be of Christ or the Apostles.

[@scottie8365]

When our Lord and Saviour gave up his Spirit the veil was torn in two signifying that we were reconciled to our Holy God and we could now approach his throne with confidence. Why wouldn’t you want to direct all your prayers,praise and worship towards him? God Bless 🙏

[@k.g.r.2682]

‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‭-‬6‬ ‭ESV‬‬ For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. Only Jesus intercedes for us.

[@bibleman8010]

so much for you BS you cant even complete the sentence 🤷‍♀🤷‍♀ In fact 1 Tim. 2:5-6 says: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”1 Now let’s take a look at what St. Paul wrote in the preceding four verses: “I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men.” (1 Tim. 2:1) St. Paul is telling Timothy and all disciples of Jesus Christ that they are supposed to offer supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanks on behalf of all men. In short, Paul says Christians are to play a mediating role. Next verse, picks up after “for all men”: “For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” (1 Tim. 2:2) St. Paul is making clear, not only are we to make prayers of intercession, supplication, etc. on behalf of all mankind, but even those in authority over us, such as kings! Why does St. Paul exhort Timothy and all Christisns to play this mediating role? Verse 3: “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour.” (1 Tim. 2:3) Who is “God our Saviour”? Jesus Christ, of course. Paul is saying quite explicitly that the mediation he is exhorting us to make “is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,” in the sight of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So now we get to verse 4, which tells us why Jesus Christ would desire this from us: “Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”(1 Tim. 2:4) The reason we ought to make these various prayers of mediation is because Jesus Christ desires, “all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” And now we come to verse 5, not cherry-picked out of context but within the context of St. Paul’s first letter to Timothy, chapter 2, verses 1-6: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:5-6) In short, 1 Tim. 2:1-6 instructs all Christians to mediate on behalf of all mankind through different types of prayer, which are offered through the one mediator Jesus Christ. And in order to assuage any doubt about this, St. Paul adds: “Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.” (1 Tim. 2:7-8) So is St. Mary, Jesus’ Mother a mediator via Jesus Christ? Are the other saints in Heaven mediating on behalf of those on earth, via Jesus Christ? John 2:3, 5 gives a good example of Mary playing a mediating role in Jesus’ ministry: “the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine…His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.” The Book of Revelation suggests the saints in Heaven also play a mediating role: “and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,” the martyrs. (Rev. 20:4) And even moreso in Rev. 4:10-11, “The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” And quite explicitly, Rev. 5:8, “and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.” And so, whereas Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man, St. Paul correctly understood that all Christians are called to share in this mediation of Christ through the offering of “supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks…made for all men.” (1 Tim. 2:1)🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@jimyoung9262]

Came here to post this passage. Well done!

[@randycarson9812]

Catholics love and agree fully with that verse. However, we also know the shortcoming of this approach. Looking at scripture more fully, we recognize that we are called to share in the priesthood of all believers: You also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:5) You are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. (1 Peter 2:9) A priest, by definition, is called to be a mediator between God and men. In a limited way, each of us, as priests, are called to this role and to be mediators for others before God through Jesus. Therefore, if we are all called to be mediators and intercessors for one another, how much more can this be said of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, who said, “Yes” to God and brought Jesus into the world?

[@shiranduarte]

Loved the t-shirt! Thanks Pastor Mike for your wisdom!

[@cjikeako]

11 men walked with Jesus throughout their life and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM prayed to Mary to asked her to contact Jesus on her behalf. So why should any modern saint do it? Heck, why is there no record of any of the apostles asking Mary to contact Jesus after he was taken into heaven. She was still alive then

[@randycarson9812]

Could that be because she was still alive and outlived all but John? 🙂 Where do you think Luke (and others) got the accounts of the infancy of Jesus contained in his gospel? Mary. Who else would have been alive to recount those stories? Jesus, Joseph, John the Baptist? Nope. Only Mary. But consider this: Mary was present with the disciples on the day of Pentecost when the disciples were overshadowed by the Holy Spirit. Do you think it was helpful to them that she knew what was happening because she had been overshadowed 30 years earlier? And while the disciples had three years with Him, Mary had 33 years. Do you think maybe they asked her some questions about Him after the ascension? Yeah, me too. Finally, is there an example in scripture of Mary interceding on behalf of others? Hint: the wedding at Cana. Thanks for asking.

[@beadoll8025]

​@@randycarson9812 There is no need to pray to anyone but God but if you prefer to engage in Idolatry that's on you.

[@randycarson9812]

@@beadoll8025 When people go to a church service or prayer meeting, do they stand, sing songs and even applaud, dance and shout (depending on their denomination)? When people go to a Taylor Swift concert, do they stand, sing songs, applaud, dance and shout? Are they worshiping Taylor Swift? In a courtroom, when the judge enters the courtroom, the bailiff loudly commands, “All rise!” The defendant will be on his feet if he knows what’s good for him? Is this worship or respect? In Japan, it is customary for people to bow in greeting one another. Are they worshiping each other? Just because two things LOOK similar, it does not mean they are exactly the same. Catholics may (or may not) choose to bow or kneel before a crucifix (which depicts Jesus on the cross) or the statue of a saint in order to help them concentrate their attention. But that does NOT equal worship of the saint or even the crucifix as a god. *Not all prayer is worship.* There is worship, praise, thanksgiving, petition, intercession, Q&A (which includes the largely neglected aspect of listening.). Yeah, lots of ways to talk with God that are NOT worship. Same with the saints.

[@meowmeowmeow1243]

They can respect Mary all they want, and she might have a special place in Heaven, but we are told clearly to only pray to God.

[@julieelizabeth4856]

And that's what we do. We don't pray to Mary as if she can answer prayers. She cannot. We ask her to intercede for us, to pray for us, like asking any friend.

[@Littleangel_-jp4xb]

@@julieelizabeth4856 That is not true. I grew up Catholic and I'm calling you out on that. There are specific prayers written ONLY to Mary. Prayers, I might add, that are nowhere in scripture. Hail Holy Queen is one of them and Catholics believe she reigns in Heaven and determines salvation. I was taught all the defensive answers they train Catholics to give when their unscriptural doctrines are questioned. This is one of them.

[@julieelizabeth4856]

@@Littleangel_-jp4xb "Prayers to Mary" are asking for her intercession. The original meaning of the word "pray" is "to ask" as in the English phrase, "pray tell." Nothing in any of those prayers suggests that Mary can answer them. She can only take our prayers to God, and it's up to Him how He will answer. Were you taught where the Bible came from? (I wasn't. Catechesis has been poor for the past 50-60 years thanks to Modernists taking over and watering down the teachings). The councils of the Catholic Church did it. We didn't have a closed canon for over 300 years after Christ's death, books were expensive (hand printed until the 1500's) and the majority of the population couldn't read anyway. Culture of the time was that education was only necessary for government leaders and clergy. Education for all is originally a Catholic idea. So are hospitals. The Assumption of Mary and her crowned Queen of Heaven was believed from the beginning. Martin Luther didn't change that. He agreed with it. No one questioned it, though it wasn't made dogma until 1950. The Church guides us through cultural changes and needs to reiterate teachings when heresies arise against what was always believed. NO Catholic believes Mary determines salvation. She can intercede for us, (like asking any friend to pray for us) but again, it's all up to God to decide. "Nowhere in Scripture" again and again. "Scripture alone" was unheard of before the Protestant Revolution. It wouldn't have been possible before the invention of the printing press and increased literacy. If Christianity had been dependent on written words alone from the beginning, it wouldn't have lasted long. "By word of mouth or by letter" (as the Bible tells us) includes Sacred Traditions (different from "traditions of men") that are just as sacred as Sacred Scripture.

[@TriciaPerry-ef7bi]

@@julieelizabeth4856 how do you all GO ABOUT ASKING IT? YOU DO SO BY PRAYER DECEIVED and birdbrain. It is not the same gospel or Christ.

[@julieelizabeth4856]

@@TriciaPerry-ef7bi To "pray" is "to ask." It's not worship, if that's what you're getting at. Rev. 5:8 tells of saints' prayers being offered up to God. Those are the requests of people on earth. By now, I sure hope there's more than 100,000. You didn't answer the question I asked first. Which denomination (in your humble opinion) gets the Truth right? Be specific.

[@CaveCanem74]

The part about praying to the dead has always made me question the practice of praying to Mary and others. Catholics may say it's not praying but you are talking to people who have passed and asking them to help you in some way. I love Catholics like Michael Knowles and it surprises me that a God fearing and intelligent man like him defends this practice.

[@bibleman8010]

what about the part where Jesus conjured up two dead guys and had s conversation with them Moses and Elias, who appeared and spoke with Jesus at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3)?🤷‍♀🤷‍♀

[@jonathanw1106]

​@bibleman8010 Jesus is God, he did lots of things that we shouldn't do (like claim to be the messiah)

[@jackhales5673]

@@jonathanw1106Jesus Christ was also fully man and modeled for us how to follow him. You’re claiming that God engaged in a behavior that would be sinful, which goes contrary to the nature of God. No sane person would think following Christ means claiming to be the messiah because God’s identity is his identity

[@jonathanw1106]

@jackhales5673 God is able to do things that would be sinful if we did them, like receive worship, because He is God. Jesus was able to die for sins and forgive them because He is God. God's identity provides him power, omniscience and the ability to create and destroy and there is nothing impure or wrong in those actions. We do not possess the same, and it is fallacious to assume that because Jesus did it it is something we should do. Let me know when you plan on dying on a cross, that's what Jesus did

[@highinfovoter8909]

@@jackhales5673 Only if you have the power to do such a thing. Can you conjure up dead people? No? Okay then why bring this up?

[@cooperroe3850]

I am glad people in heaven are not dead

[@bestkatunzi2824]

God is governed by laws he put, the only one who can help humanity in this world after the fall is another human, with a physically body, that is Jesus, it is as plain as that, praying to the father in Jesus name, others just Don't have the right

[@domoonogotno71]

Wow, this is a specific question I have been asking for the last week. Amazing.

[@rolandovelasquez135]

Exactly. Thank you Pastor. I would like to add that in all of Holy Scripture, Old Testament and New, any time any believer in the Lord God Almighty prays, it is ALWAYS directly to the Lord God Almighty, that is, directly to the Father. In fact we are commanded to pray ONLY in this way, especially in the New Testament, and especially by Jesus Christ of Nazareth. "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you." Matthew 6:6 ‭‭For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‭-‬16‬

[@maluill]

No in scripture there was a strict hierarchy in the way to approach God. This is not done away with but is continued through the apostles and the church. It's fine to pray to God alone but sins must be confessed before a priest and the church, and that God uses his church and body to mediate between himself and mankind

[@nanoglitch6693]

@@maluill 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,"

[@maluill]

@@nanoglitch6693 and what is that verse meant to do for you? Jesus is God so who mediates between you and him?. Besides God has been mediating between humans through others since the beginning. He mediated through Moses, Abraham, the apostles and now his church nothing has changed.

[@rolandovelasquez135]

​@@maluill‭‭ Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews‬ ‭4:14‭-‬16‬ Each and every believer can draw near to the very throne of God with confidence, because of what Christ Jesus has done for us on the cross.

[@maluill]

@@rolandovelasquez135 Yes we can draw near to God, but unless you can see God that's through the church whom he gave the power to forgive sins in john 20:23 and James 5:16

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Thanks Mike. I was born Catholic and I’m now a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ and making other disciples on my journey with the Lord Jesus Christ 24/7. Catholics are fooled by the deception of praying to the Blessed Virgin Mary and the other saints even though Jesus said I’m the way. Most Catholics treat Jesus as only a way instead of The Only Way. I was guilty of this practice. I’ve repented and placed all my trust on Jesus alone. I’ve even a video explaining the Blessed Virgin Mary’s role as a saint of the Most High God. Any Catholic praying to Mary needs to repent and call on the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness and salvation and be born again of the Holy Spirit of God

[@maluill]

Sounds like you were an ignorant Catholic. Mary is not the way only Jesus is. Prayer to saints is supported scripturally and is strong weapon against Satan.

[@okami425]

Idk how you know what MOST catholics think, considering there's millions of us with different views and expressions/understandings all over the world BUT OKAY. None of my fellow catholics I've ever met or talked to believed they could be saved any other way by anyone else other than christ.

[@unicronprimus7450]

@@okami425 I agree. As a Catholic, Jesus is the only way to salvation as that is the Son of God's role. The saints, including the Virgin Mary, have been given different roles, and "to save souls" is not one of them, as they are just helpers.

[@allieh9561]

@seanrathmakedisciples1508 thank you for your comment. As a former Catholic and now born again believer in Jesus Christ I truly can confirm and agree with what you wrote. Most Catholics do not understand this point because they do not know scripture

[@colin1818]

@@unicronprimus7450 "The saints, including the Virgin Mary, have been given different roles, and "to save souls" is not one of them, as they are just helpers" I'm glad you disagree with official Catholic doctrine then. Because according to CCC 966, when speaking about Mary, it states "You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death."

[@brendawanjiru2837]

Keith Nester and Scott Hann offer answers to the questions and concerns raised in this video if anyone wants the Catholic POV :)

[@OrthodoxCrusader-qb7lm]

Mary and The Saints are in Heaven

[@eiondevelopment9780]

They are hid with Christ in God. Jesus told us to pray to our Father who knows what we need of before we ask Him, and Paul says that we don't know what we should pray for as we ought, so the Spirit itself intercedes for our prayers according to the will of God: Romans 8:26-39 King James Version 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. You need to have faith in Jesus Christ as revealed by Scripture to be saved, not in some apostate religious institution that teaches heretical doctrine that contradicts Christ and the Apostles. That could lead you to hell.

[@sonicrocks2007]

@eiondevelopment9780 right but there is more. Revelation talks about when a believer prays it is actually held ( siezed in greek ) by elders in heaven putting in a bowl. Angels pick up the prayer in the bowl and uplift ( greek word is Echo it ) and give it to God then Angels come and respond to it by sending fire and wrath. We also see that intercessor is the role of Christ, the holy spirit but the church in scripture. We are to intercede for another. It is said. Why would we stop intercepting once died? Did christ when he die stop interceding surely not. People are also confused mediator and intercessor. Mediator is christ alone. He alone make heaven and forgiveness accessible. ✨️ intercessor is of christ, holy spirit and church and it is to pray for each other and help by physical and spiritual means. We can pray for each other, we can give money or time or effort etc.

[@milosuchihaserbiamc9083]

@@eiondevelopment9780 Asking others to pray for you and giving them respect (DIFFERENT FROM WORSHIPPING) will lead us to hell?

[@gracefulannie-grcflannie-]

I used to "talk" to my dad about things I wish I'd said when he was alive. The catch is, I knew he couldn't hear me. I knew I was actually talking to myself, but I needed to get the words out so I wasn't holding on to negativity.

[@vtaylor21]

Genuine question, and I won't reply if you decide to answer. How do you know your father or anyone in heaven can't hear you? Where in the Bible does it say people in heaven can't hear us? Revelations 6: 9-11 shows the people in heaven are aware of the events on earth when martyrs prayed to God for the persecutions to stop. Revelations 5:8 shows people in heaven are aware of our prayers when they present our prayers to God.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Rev 6: And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Revelation is full of symbolism so we must be careful of taking symbolism literally, with the effect that it contradicts plainly stated scriptural truth. The bible is clear that the dead remain dead in every sense until the physical resurrection. This commentary on the saints in heaven in Rev 6 is not to be taken literally. If so, then one must conclude that the souls of the dead live under an altar. With all the glories of heaven, they are destined to live under an altar. And their only knowledge of the world according to this text is that they know that their martyrdom is yet to be avenged. Why assume from this that they know of every act taking place on earth! Rev 5: And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. It is not clear from context who the elders represent. Are they angels? They have bowls symbolically containing the prayers of the saints. The bible calls all believers saints. These prayers were said by living believers, with this vision showing that their prayers do indeed reach God. It is a complete departure to claim that the prayers were offered to dead saints in heaven, for them to pass them on to God.

[@gracefulannie-grcflannie-]

@@vtaylor21 Well, for one thing, my dad wasn't a martyr; he died from melanoma. Without some research, I can't give you a specific scripture, but I've always believed dead Christians go immediately to heaven, so they're too busy praising Jesus to worry about what's going on here. I hope my response didn't sound catty, because that wasn't my intent.

[@dustinryan9671]

​@@vtaylor21because everyone that has died is still asleep.

[@vtaylor21]

@@geordiewishart1683 Revelations 5: The incents are more than symbolism. They are our prayers. Something can be symbolic and real in reality. The Bible is clear that the elders are not angels. Revelations 8:5 says angels did the same thing elders did in 5:8 (present a bowl of indents (prayers) to God). Also, elders were never referred to as elders. Men were always referred to as elders. No one ever said prayers are offered to dead Saints in heaven. That wasn't the point I made. The point of Revelation 5:8 is that the Saints in heaven are aware of our prayers because they are presenting our prayers to God. If they are aware of our prayers, why can't they pray for us as well? Also, prayers to Saints in heaven doesn't teach that our prayers are offered to Saints. It simply means we are asking the Saints in heaven to pray for us like how we ask Saints on earth to pray for us. Why is that going over people’s heads? Revelations 6: I believe Revelations is both symbolic and teaches what is reality. You said we shouldn't take Revelations literally to avoid contradicting what is plainly in Scripture. What Bible verse (clearly) states that people in heaven are not aware of the events on earth? Even you acknowledge the Saints in Heaven are aware their martyrdom hasn't been avenged. They are aware of something on earth, and they are not living under the alter. If God allows angelic beings and the devil to know the events of the living, why can't God allow the Saints in heaven to at least be aware of the events in the living realm? If God allows the devil to personally attack us, why can't God allow the Saints in Heaven to be aware of the events I the living realm?

[@justin.m.drummond]

Great video Mike! “Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.” But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.””‭‭Mark‬ ‭3‬:‭31‬-‭35‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ Edit: Lol I didn't know this comment would start a war. But just as a heads up, we as protestants are not using this to say that Jesus disowns Mary. We are just saying that Jesus is not exalting Mary above others in this passage. So why should we?

[@marcuscarlsson5510]

What did Mary do at the annunciation? She did the will of God by saying yes to him. Therefore in this verse, Jesus affirms Mary as his mother. Protestants keep on misinterpreting this verse over and over again as some kind of disowning of Mary by Jesus, but this interpretation presumes that Mary is some sort of disobedient vagrant who is excluded from Jesus' requirement for being in his family (i.e. doing the will of God). Be careful what you presume about the mother of God!

[@GazGuitarz]

@@marcuscarlsson5510I find that to be a bit of stretch really as the context of the verse has nothing to do with the annunciation. I think it's quite clear in its literal reading and doesn't need a Catholic exegesis that connects it to the annunciation. God bless!

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@marcuscarlsson5510 Oh wow, like what's Mary going to do? Scold me for not worshipping her?

[@marcuscarlsson5510]

@@GazGuitarz Mary lived a life of obedience to God, the annunciation being the most crucial example of this, which is why I drew on it. The "Catholic exegesis" does not link back to the annunciation explicitly, but rather draws upon it as an obvious example. You, of course, would hold that no verse whatsoever "requires" a Catholic exegesis. I would recommend reading "The Meaning of Tradition" by Yves Congar to address this, as a youtube comment is a totally deficient medium for explaining the necessity of catholic exegesis of scripture.

[@inchristalone25]

@@marcuscarlsson5510 Can you quote any protestant who claims Mary is some sort of disobedient vagrant? The passage is clearly about how whoever does the will of God is part of God's family, and we have a new family in Christ. This passage has been so freeing for me who has struggled to detach from my biological family and be grafted in to the body of Christ.

[@prairiemark4084]

Making requests to Saints in heaven is a long standing practice among Christians. It was a practice in the O.T. We know this from early Jewish literature, some of it noncanonical but nevertheless real. We also know this has been a practice among N.T. Christians. Some of the early Protestant evangelists practiced this. Look at John and Charles Wesley. They believed in not only praying for those who passed away. Charles Wesley said that prayers for those who had died made at least as much difference as praying for those who are alive. And he believed in asking intercession from Saints who had died. Others in the early Anglican tradition also believed this. The early Church believed in asking intercession from Mary and the other Saints. Inscriptions of of "Hail Mary" on church walls have been found by archeologists at least back to the 200s A.D. And even in the N.T. era it was not considered evil or contrary to Gods Word. We know this by the several references to that in 1st century Christian writings like the Book of Revelation. In Revelation 5:8 John speaks of the Elders in heaven receiving prayers from Saints on earth and giving them to God. Here we have saints in heaven receiving prayers from saints on earth and giving them to God. And later in the Book of Revelation we find the Saints on earth calling out to the Apostles, Saints and Elders in heaven and making requests to them. (The seaman, the captains on ships, etc called out for Saints in heaven to rejoice because of the Fall of Babylon.) Here we have saints on earth making requests to Apostles, Elders and Saints in heaven. No way are these activities presented as "necromancy" or any kind of prohibited behavior! But Protestants will cry out and say...."Well...this is only symbolic. It is not real." But that argument is silly because a real issue is the Protestant's presupposition that asking intercession from Saint in heaven is a kind of necromancy. Even if these passages in Revelation are merely symbolic, they show no evidence that it is wrong to make requests for intercession. Rather they show the concept was known in the first century church and not considered evil or disobedient. Rather it is something that is good and wholesome and even normative. When I was an evangelical, passages like that were not considered seriously, if at all. And the Biblical examples were even scoffed at when I was in Bible college. And in my close to 50 years as a Protestant I was never taught to Bless Mary. In her prayer in the Gospels, Mary said that all generations of humans would call her "Blessed." But I never blessed Mary as a Protestant, and certainly I never called her "Blessed or Blessed Mother." I was told "Mary was blessed "among women" and not "above women." But what other woman in the N.T. was said to be blessed by all generations? Obviously that gave her a prominent place among women. It is not an egalitarian statement that all women are equal in God's sight. Certainly saints have been pointed out in scripture as being outstanding and noteworthy. Take Hebrews for example where the folks who were sawed in two for the sake of the Gospel were mentioned as exceptional. Usually the attacks on Catholicism by evangelicals and fundamentalists show both a lack of understanding of scriptures and a lack of understanding of Catholic teaching. That is my conclusion after several decades of study and struggle. One factoid that I found ironic was that those who most strongly opposed making requests to heavenly residents, and who most strongly taught a separation between the earthly kingdom and the heavenly kingdom would stand beside me and sing the Doxology. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. Praise Him all creatures here below, PRAISE HIM ABOVE YE HEAVENLY HOST....... Even in their worship the most staunch fundamentalists would make requests to beings in heaven. Something to think about.

[@valleyscharping]

The Roman Catholic Catechism calls it "Marian Prayer" so when Catholics say it isn't prayer, they're not just wrong, they're wrong according to their own.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

I found Jesus in the Catholic Church. We pray for one another and to one another in intercessory prayer. I just think the old english gets confusing because we don't think of making petitions to one another as prayers but that is what they are. When we file a lawsuit we file a prayer of relief to a court, for example. We just don't use that way of speaking as much today.

[@David77757]

It is prayer, not worship

[@ZoeCastro-7733]

How can Mary, who was and still is human, be present everywhere to listen to all the prayers addressed to her; or to know who is praying what? Isn't omnipresence and omniscience exclusive attributes of God? Jesus can hear the prayers of his people and intercede for us--all of us, his people [no matter the number, location or mode of communication]--on account of him being God. But how can the Mary do that?

[@bigfootapologetics]

Omniscience and omnipresence are knowledge of all things, not knowledge of just a subset of things that are directed toward you - in this case, a limited number of prayers. If Mary is capable of hearing prayers, it’s because heaven is outside of time and space and because by some means of God’s grace, she’d have the ability to answer all them. For all we know, all it takes is for Mary to say one time, throughout all of eternity, “Lord, I pray for everyone asking for better health. I pray for everyone suffering from heartbreak. Etc.”

[@sonicrocks2007]

​@@bigfootapologeticsand revelation says saints and angels hear and uplift and echo all prayers. So what does scripture say? They echo prayers.

[@bigfootapologetics]

@@sonicrocks2007 Yes, exactly. If the Bible tells me they intercede for us, far be it from me to question how God makes that happen.

[@julieelizabeth4856]

Revelation 5:8. The prayers of the saints being lifted to God. It was always understood that way. They intercede for us, and Mary is the greatest of all saints. That's what they do, they intercede for us. They can't answer our requests though. Only God can do that.

[@sonicrocks2007]

@bigfootapologetics Bible says how it happens. It goes directly to Saints and Angels then they lift it to God.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

Excellent teaching Pastor Mike...💞📖

[@life.re-defined]

As a former Catholic, we DID pray to Mary asking her to be our intercessor. We were also told we could pray for our dead relatives and ask them to intercede for us.

[@mastershake4641]

and you can intercede for your dead relatives to get them out of purgatory faster

[@life.re-defined]

yes @@mastershake4641 ....corrupting the truth has been tactic the enemy of the living God has used very effectively. breaks my heart

[@indigofenrir7236]

​@@mastershake4641As a former Catholic, I know that purgatory is a papal lie straight from his daddy the devil (John 8:44). If Jesus paid for ALL sins (1Jn 2:2), mortal sin doesn't exist and neither does purgatory. Neither does the pope's brain.

[@vtaylor21]

Exactly, we asked the Saints in heaven to pray for us just like we ask the Saints on earth to pray for us. Where in the Bible does it say saints in heaven can't pray for us or are not aware of the events on earth?

[@annb9029]

They can’t Intercession The Bible gives an example of the Blessed Virgin Mary’s intercession in John 2:3-5: “...And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come. His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.” This verse plainly shows that Mary knew of the miracle that He was to perform, and that it was at her request (intercession) He performed the miracle. The Bible exhorts us to honor Mary, prefigures and compares her to the honored Ark of the Covenant, and gives an example of her intercession: * Luke 1:44-56 prefigured in Psalms 44:14 (Catholic numbering) * Luke 1:35 prefigured in Numbers 9:15 * Luke 1:44-56 prefigured in 2 Kings 6:9-15 * John 2:3-5 * et al. The Bible esteems asking the angels and saints for their intercession: * Apocalypse 5:8 (Revelation for Protestants): “…and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.” * Tobias 12:12-15: The archangel Raphael intercedes presenting Tobias and Sarah’s prayer to God. * Zacharias 1:12-16: Guardian angels intercede with God on behalf of the living of Jerusalem and the cities of Juda. * 2 Maccabees 15:7-16: Jeremias appears alive with Onias to intercede for the people and the city. Protestants try to cite 1 Timothy 2:5 as a command against intercessory prayers: “For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:…” but note that 1 Timothy 2:5 is not even the complete sentence. Read the rest of the sentence, 1 Timothy 2:6: “…Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times.” The full sentence, 1 Timothy 2:5-6, is completely non-controversial. Jesus Christ was, is, and always will be the only sufficient mediator of our redemption. Only the Sacrifice of the Son of God on Calvary could ever be the sufficient cause of our redemption. We Catholics acknowledge and celebrate that at every Mass. To ask for the intercession of the Angels and Saints with our requests does no injury to His Sacrifice. As further evidence that 1 Timothy 2:5-6 does not proscribe intercessory prayers, note that the author of 1 Timothy 2:5-6, St. Paul himself, repeatedly asked for intercessory prayers: * Romans 15:30-32: “I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God, That I may be delivered from the unbelievers that are in Judea, and that the oblation of my service may be acceptable in Jerusalem to the saints. That I may come to you with joy, by the will of God, and may be refreshed with you.” * 2 Corinthians 1:11: “You helping withal in prayer for us: that for this gift obtained for us, by the means of many persons, thanks may be given by many in our behalf.” * Ephesians 6:18-20: “By all prayer and supplication praying at all times in the spirit; and in the same watching with all instance and supplication for all the saints: And for me, that speech may be given me, that I may open my mouth with confidence, to make known the mystery of the gospel. For which I am an ambassador in a chain, so that therein I may be bold to speak according as I ought.” 
[Note: St. Paul describes himself as an “ambassador in a chain”: St. Paul > his intercessors > Our Lord] * Philippians 1:19-20: “For I know that this shall fall out to me unto salvation, through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, According to my expectation and hope; that in nothing I shall be confounded, but with all confidence, as always, so now also shall Christ be magnified in my body, wither it be by life, or by death.”
[Note: The prayers of St. Paul’s intercessors do not injure Christ, but “magnify” Him.] * Colossians 4:1-4: “Masters, do to your servants that which is just and equal: knowing that you also have a master in heaven. Be instant in prayer; watching in it with thanksgiving: Praying withal for us also, that God may open unto us a door of speech to speak the mystery of Christ (for which also I am bound;) That I may make it manifest as I ought to speak.” 
[Note: Another instance of the prayers of intercessors being links in the “chain” to God.] * 1 Thessalonians 5:25: “Brethren, pray for us.” * 2 Thessalonians 3:1-2: “For the rest, brethren, pray for us, that the word of God may run, and may be glorified, even as among you; And that we may be delivered from importunate and evil men; for all men have not faith.”
[Note again that the prayers of intercessors do not injure or offend Christ, but instead glorify His Word.] * Philemon 1:21-22: “Trusting in thy obedience, I have written to thee: knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say. But withal prepare me also a lodging. For I hope that through your prayers I shall be given unto you.” Also Mary was sinless because God himself made her that way to carry Jesus In the book of Habakkuk, the prophet says to God, “Your eyes are too pure to look on evil” (Habakkuk 1:13, CSB).

[@timothyblack3322]

I would reframe the question into 2 questions: Is it alright for me to ask you to pray for me? I am going to assume you said “yes”. Is it ok to ask Mary to pray for me? If you say “No”, then you have elevated yourself more worthy than Mary. Every prayer of Mary’s must go thru Jesus. Every prayer of Mary’s must go through Jesus. That is what the Catholic Church teaches. What did the Arch Angel say greeting Mary? “Hail Mary full of grace. The Lord is with you, blessed art thou and blessed is thy womb”. Mary is the Mother of those who are born again. We are baptized into the Body of Christ. If you cling to Eve as your mother? You have not been born again. There are people who do not have recourse to Mary. What?? This too is a teaching of the Catholic Church. Is it due to Spiritual weakness or Spiritual strength? I do not know. When or if we get to Heaven, ask. 🎚

[@username00009]

But you are ignoring the primary issue here of how do you equate asking the living to pray for you with asking the deceased to do the same? Why are you treating them as equivalent?

[@HARRYibnNIKO]

Dear beloved brother, there is no point in praying to Mary for the reason that she does not hear us, she cannot do this, she is a human, she is died, she is not God who is omnipresent and Almighty, she can generally intercede with God for us, but she cannot hear you personally or anyone else, especially if you both are praying at the same time, one is in Russia and the other is in the USA. How can she do this? She's not GOD Omnipresent! As one brother said: if Mary's role were so important in mediating between man and God, then Christ and the Apostles would have certainly said about it. The human heart is prone to idolatry. Mary is already resting with Jesus in Heaven. She doesn't need to strain herself to listen to the prayers of those who believe in Christ, nor can she do so - she is only human, not God! This is not about worshiping Mary, but about recognizing that she is only human and cannot hear all those who pray to her! Because only Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Omnipresent and Almighty, only Christ hears us all at once and answers us. Can you imagine if 1 billion Catholics were to turn to Mary simultaneously, do you think Mary Almighty and Omnipresent would hear everyone and pray to Jesus for them? This is simply heresy, bro. God fills all in all, not Mary! Moreover, the Old Testament condemns communication with the dead, it was said - communication with the dead is an abomination before God, so one might mistake Mary's appearance for an appearance of Satan or a demon in the guise of Mary (or an angel of light), and you'll become another Joseph Smith (mormons), rejecting all Christian denominations and creating your own religion as a false prophet; these are the consequences of communicating with the dead. God forbade any form of communication with the dead; through this, Satan or a demon can bring deception and many problems. Like communicating with deceased relatives - it's occultism. Do not open the door to demonic forces through communication with the dead? Scripture clearly states that the mediator between God and humans is Jesus, so why do we need a mediator between Jesus and us if Jesus is not inaccessible and distant Allah of Muhammad, who is somewhere far away, but Jesus Christ lives in us with His Spirit and hears us? But Mary does not have such authority, tasks, and responsibilities - Jesus and the Apostles do not teach such things! If you ask church ministers to pray for you (humans who alive and living on earth at this moment), that is normal, scripture does not condemn it but talks about it as a normal practice, but praying to the dead and asking the dead to pray to Jesus for you is, first of all, an abomination before God, secondly, it diminishes the role of the Holy Spirit and Jesus, and thirdly, it smells of occultism, dear ones. Finally, understand this, Catholics. May the Lord abundantly bless you and open your eyes. I love you. The love of Christ and the communion of the Holy Spirit, His grace and mercy be with us all. Amen.

[@juliangarcia4210]

1 Timothy:2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[@ianmiller07]

Guess where this quote comes from: "Jesus Christ is true God and true man, in the unity of his divine person; for this reason he is the one and only mediator between God and men"

[@juliangarcia4210]

You are misunderstanding the Scriptures. If Jesus were God, then, he would have returned to the heaven as God, that was not the case. He sat on the right hand of God. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. Mark:16:19

[@juliangarcia4210]

I know a lot of people confuse those verses. People Also get confuse with Matthew 1:23. Jesus Christ is the Word. This Word is a powerful expresion that comes from God. That's why in Jhon 1:1 says in the last part: "And the Word was God" but before that also says this. "and the Word was with God" and people just want to see the last part without analyze the previous part. Now please, look this verse. John 8: 28. It explains perfect what I am trying to show you. If you want, we can have a meeting to talk more about God. May God bless you.

[@juliangarcia4210]

@@thatguy2521 Hello sr. Yes, in John 1:14 Says that: John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Now, we have this part from John 1:14: "the only begotten of the Father". And we have this part from John 1:1: "and the Word was God". As I told you above, in my previous comment, Jesus Christ is the Word, so, Jesus = The Holy Scriptures. But the Holy Scriptures (The Word), do not come from Jesus, they come from God and that's why the same Jesus says this in John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Now, we can see God sent His Son and Gave to His Son Jesus Christ a commandment. Commandment = What Jesus should say, and what Jesus should speak (The Word of God) = Jesus. Then we can affirm for what it says in John 12:49 that *Jesus is NOT God*. But, Jesus is the commandment of God, Jesus = Commandment of God = The Holy Scripture = The Word of God. Then, in Jesus we have God *(I am NOT saying Jesus = God)*, when we have Jesus, we have the commandmet of God, so, in Jesus we also have God. That is why in John 1:1: "and the Word was God". Because in the Word, we have God, we have the understanding of His will. and the ONLY way to have God is through His Son Jesus Christ. Thats why I shared in the first Comment of this chain of comments the following verse: 1 Timothy:2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (God the Father and Christ Jesus Son. Father and Son are Not the same). I hope all this helps you any sr. There are a lot of things I would love to share with you and see what God has shown you how to please Him. Please let me know if you have time some day soon to talk about this. May God bless you.

[@juliangarcia4210]

@@thatguy2521 ​ @thatguy2521 Hello sr. Yes, in John 1:14 Says that: John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Now, we have this part from John 1:14: "the only begotten of the Father". And we have this part from John 1:1: "and the Word was God". As I told you above, in my previous comment, Jesus Christ is the Word, so, Jesus = The Holy Scriptures. But the Holy Scriptures (The Word), do not come from Jesus, they come from God and that's why the same Jesus says this in John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Now, we can see God sent His Son and Gave to His Son Jesus Christ a commandment. Commandment = What Jesus should say, and what Jesus should speak (The Word of God) = Jesus. Then we can affirm for what it says in John 12:49 that *Jesus is NOT God*. But, Jesus is the commandment of God, Jesus = Commandment of God = The Holy Scripture = The Word of God. Then, in Jesus we have God *(I am NOT saying Jesus = God)*, when we have Jesus, we have the commandmet of God, so, in Jesus we also have God. That is why in John 1:1: "and the Word was God". Because in the Word, we have God, we have the understanding of His will. and the ONLY way to have God is through His Son Jesus Christ. Thats why I shared in the first Comment of this chain of comments the following verse: 1 Timothy:2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; I hope all this helps you any sr. There are a lot of things I would love to share with you and see what God has shown you how to please Him. Please let me know if you have time some day soon to talk about this. May God bless you.

[@leib109]

When I speak to Catholics about this, I’m usually told that they aren’t worshipping or praying to Mary, they are “venerating” her and “seeking her mediation and help” with God. They can call it what they like, but it doesn’t change the natures of the actions themselves. The truth is, it places another entity between people and God when we are called into a direct relationship with him. Although Catholics will vehemently disagree on this point, in actual practice, Mary seems to be a sort of demigod or fourth person of God in Catholic theology.

[@bigfootapologetics]

She’s not. If you ask another Protestant to pray for you, does that “place another entity” between you and God? Does that make the person you’re asking a fourth member of the Trinity? If we worshiped Mary, we wouldn’t ask her to pray to God, because she would be a god.

[@leib109]

@@bigfootapologetics The answer to this is in the video you apparently didn’t watch.

[@bigfootapologetics]

@@leib109 I sure didn’t hear the answer. Do you have a timestamp? Most of the objections seemed to be erroneous appeals to the prohibitions against necromancy and a general sense of discomfort with emphasizing Mary; I didn’t hear any specific arguments or refutations.

[@leib109]

@@bigfootapologetics There are several points made in the video: 1. Communication with the dead is expressly prohibited in Scripture. 2. Even if you reject that praying to Mary is akin to necromancy, there is not a single point in the entire Bible that even suggests that we should pray to people who have died, or to even ask them for prayers. 3. According Mary the level of adoration and attention draws away from what is due to God alone, and Mary herself would be uncomfortable with the adoration she receives from Catholics and Orthodox (especially since she herself said she needed a savior: see Luke 1:47). At the end of the day, I think we can accord Mary her due honor and respect as the blessed woman God chose to be the Mother of Jesus. But we can go too far in according her honor and praise and devotion that belongs to God alone, which is what happens when people begin praying to or communicating with her and developing a relationship with her instead of with God. Mary was blessed, but she was a human being in need of a savior like everyone else. Some of the recent Catholic doctrines on Mary from the past several centuries take the level of her importance way too far to the point of being blasphemous and idolatrous. Let me put it this way: would God, who says that he is jealous for our attention, devotion, and worship, want us to spend our time and efforts communicating with a created being instead of with Him? Anything or anyone who draws attention from the Lord is an idol. You could say that communication with Mary as Mediatrix ultimately points to God, but it abrogates the verse stating that Christ is the sole mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5).

[@bigfootapologetics]

@@leib109 So yeah, I think you already know why we don't think the Old Testament forbids asking the saints to pray to us. On top of the fact that we already know from the New Testament that they're praying for us, and that intercession pleases God, a close look at the Old Testament shows what's really being proscribed. As with Saul and Solomon, it's using methods outside of God (such as demons or witches or psychics) to gain favors outside of God - the opposite of asking a saint through God to pray to God for a favor from God. The Hebrew in Deuteronomy makes clear what's going on: “Medium” is sho’el’ob, a “spirit inquirer,” “wizard” is yidde’oni, a “spiritist,” and “necromancer” is doresh, ‘el-ha-metim, “an inquirer of the dead. On your second point, I think I agree it's possible to go too far. If we eschew Jesus in favor of Mary, if such a thing were even possible, that would indeed be wrong! But I don't see an issue with 1 Tim. 2:5, since 1 Tim. 2:1-4 explicitly urge intercessory prayer and calls it pleasing to God.

[@romulus3345]

Communion of the Saints in Biblical: Revelation 5:13 Revelation 8:3-5 Luke 15:7 GOD allows the Saints in Heaven to hear our prayers to Him, and our petitions to the Saints to pray for us. Which creature could possibly hold a higher place in Heaven than Mary the most blessed of all creation, the virgin Mother who gave birth to our Lord, nursed Him as a baby, raised Him from childhood into manhood, accompanied Him throughout His Ministry, was present at His execution & His burial, and witnessed His resurrection.

[@louiealbarado3233]

Revolution 5:13 state KLV and every creature which is in heaven and on earth and under the sea and all them heard I saying blessing and honor and glory and power be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and to the Lamb for ever and ever, remember on one has accented in to Heaven from the dead only Jesus Christ,look it up

[@romulus3345]

@@louiealbarado3233 The original Koine Greek which predates the KJV by 1500 years says "ἤκουσα" = I heard. Look it up.

[@dominicdarmanin9866]

It is truly meet to bless thee, O Theotokos, ever-blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, thee who without corruption gave birth to God the Word. The very Theotokos we magnify thee.

[@JasmyneTheodora]

Yes, brother. ☦☦☦

[@dominicdarmanin9866]

@@JasmyneTheodora I commend your channel with much respect 🙌 A much needed perspective in the online world ☦☦☦

[@emilycoranorden3250]

Amen!

[@PizzaFvngs]

This is wilddddddd

[@nathanmagnuson2589]

BASED!

[@martywilliard]

“Do whatever He says …”.

[@christine8394]

This came at such an opportune time that I'm sure the Holy Spirit led me here. Someone, very recently, was telling me about the benefits of praying with the rosary. She told me of incredible healing that had come about when she did this and how it enhances your prayer life. This made me wonder, is it ok for a born again Christian to pray with a rosary? I logged onto youtube and this video jumped out at me. Thank you so much for answering my question.

[@indigofenrir7236]

The rosary is a trinket and you're talking to a demon. Please, never try it. I've been tricked into chanting that accursed thing for twelve years and my faith in God didn't increase.

[@maluill]

​​@@indigofenrir7236The Holy Rosary calls upon the blessed mother of the lord and each decade has a prayer of the our Father. All this is attached to a cross depicting Jesus sacrifice. And you call it a "trinket" and "accursed" calling upon demons! Glory to Jesus Christ I have left protestantism, you people are becoming increasingly unhinged and demonized. Thank you Jesus for exposing my errors.

[@ogloc6308]

Same here. Glory to God alone

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@maluill I came from the Catholic Church, so I should know what the rosary is. That Cross depicts a dead Jesus. Our Lord and Savior is alive, not a corpse on a tree. The rosary has 53 prayers to Mary and 6 to God. Prayer is worship because in the Bible, the only people being prayed to are all worshipped by the people who prayed to them. You are WORSHIPPING MARY. You say glory to Jesus Christ? What about glory holy Mary? What about hail holy Queen? Should you not be calling upon your goddess instead?

[@ATexican]

@@maluill when does Jesus ever say to ask the dead to talk to him?

[@pat895]

for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed Luke 1:48 The bible also states that everyone should call here blessed. Which is exactly what we do during the Hail Mary. Hail Mary full of grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou amongst women. It's also important to notice that the first known Marian prayer under thy protection is dated around 300 A.D meaning that invoking Mary's aid has been a practice also among early christians

[@Aunekris]

Well put, interesting to learn about some of the history behind Marian prayers.

[@empo2085]

300 years is a lot bro... lets not play that card.

[@Xymage]

@@empo2085 yet 1517 years is perfectly fine for the "true faith to be hidden"

[@empo2085]

1517 years is a lot bro. So is 300. And btw protestants dont believe there was no "true faith untill savior Luther". @@Xymage

[@faithdefender703]

Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Imagine people in heaven praying to Mary and using the phrase “Mother of God”

[@onesneak7668]

Is Jesus not God. Is not Mary his mother?

[@fariajose2002]

But Jesus is God, no??? Or are you a Jeovah's witness?

[@pixi111]

??? this is not putting her above or praying to het its asking to pray for us and respecting her

[@onesneak7668]

@@vazgl100 she is a mother of a person. That person is God

[@onesneak7668]

@@vazgl100 He was talking to God. It was the Angel of the Lord, who is the prehuman Jesus, that was in the bush. You are actually making my point. Thank you. BTW. Yes, God is 3 persons and 1 being Brush up or your understanding of the Trinity. "God is not a person" lol smh

[@retrictumrectus1010]

Here is my problem about asking the physically dead saints for intercession: How are they able to hear what we are saying? Do the angels deliver the "requests" to them? Also, why do we need to ask for backers when we have the ultimate backer the Lord Jesus Christ Himself?

[@apeture_explorer4810]

In apprehending God, one may make a good argument that they see what God sees in the beatific vision. It's an assent to the knowledge of God as he is, which is what he himself sees, but only with the unalterable limitations of the created intellect and God's own will to hide certain things from the saints. You can know God but not fully comprehend him, it's simply not possible, and neither will we comprehend all things in him perfectly, so we will presumably learn for all eternity. What fun! So, I don't doubt they see us, and hear about what we're doing, and much much more than that. Or rather, I don't doubt that they can, and perhaps do on occasion. Anybody's guess what it's actually like though. Still not reason to pray to them.

[@bibleman8010]

Rev 5 :8-12 ➨ INTERCESSION of the SAINTS: REV 5 v 8... 8😍😍 When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones. 9 They sang a new hymn: "Worthy are you to receive the scroll and to break open its seals, for you were slain and with your blood you purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue, people and nation. Only an Omniscient God can understand all the languages of all nations Nations..John Is a creature and Cant. Only an Omniscient God. 13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, everything in the universe, cry out: "To the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor, glory and might, forever and ever."Now John HERD ALL THIS all those languages of the earth. How did He hear all those Languages and understand them . God Had to have made it possible for John why couldn’t he do that for those in Heaven as well.. So why cant Mary and the saints hear since they have an Omniscient God to Make things Know to them the saints don’t have to Be Omniscient. God gave them that ability. What are , the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders doing with . Those Prayers in their hands the prayers of the holy ones.Why did God give those Prays to them to Give them to Him 9When he broke open the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar 8 the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God.10 cried out in a loud voice, "How long will it be, holy and true master, 9 before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?"11Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been. This Makes It Know to those Saints In Heaven That God would avenge the saints On earth at a Further tine The lord can Make know to those in heaven what happens on earth at a future time They are Now aware of thing going on Now do you think since they pray to the Lord they would not be praying to the Lord for their Brothers and Sisters of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been to preserve them as the others had been . What act of Love are Christians told to do for one another Pray for one another Rev18: 19-24 What’s the reaction to those in heaven… To the destruction Of Babylon On earth if they aren’t made aware of what’s happening on earth. God made them aware giving Biblical proof that The Saints can be made aware of what’s taking place on Earth. They must have seen it Because allowed them to see it. Mathew 18:6-7 Do not harm little children because God loves them as well as Babes in the Faith Physically or spiritually. . 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Why does he say this “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. What does that mean the Angles are assigned to these children to watch over them and pray for them. They go before the father and Intercede for them . How do Angles know what is taking place on earth Angles are not Omniscient God thru the Holy Sprit reveals it to them they don’t have to be Omniscient. Luke 15:7 I tell you, in just the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance. How can People in heaven rejoice over someone coming to repentance? If they’re not aware of their repentance. Now since Mary and the Saints are In heaven are they aware of their repentance and rejoice. Those in Heaven must be aware of what’s happening on Earth. Luke 15:10 In just the same way, I tell you, there will be rejoicing among the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Those in Heaven must be aware of what’s happening on Earth i 8 2 14 The four living creatures answered, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped. 10 You made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they will reign on earth." 11 I looked again and heard the voices of many angels who surrounded the throne and the living creatures and the elders. They were countless 5 in number, 12 and they cried out in a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches, wisdom and strength, honor and glory and blessing." 13

[@camillewilliams3185]

Exactly. None of us have special powers when we die. Praying to saints or asking them to intercede seems to be regarding them as having some higher influence than they do.

[@junk3996]

the idea that the "soul" or "spirit" (two separate different things BTW) live on after the body dies is gnostic pagan dualism nonsense that is non existent in scripture or Hebrew understanding

[@vincentmcnabb939]

@@camillewilliams3185Perhaps they do have higher influence, then it would make perfect sense.

[@mitromney]

I'm Catholic and I agree with Mike. I've never prayed to the saints for this exact reasons. I don't want to judge others. There are many Catholic stories and legends of people actyally contacting saints or receiving apparitions of them that are quite convincing and seem to give good fruits. On the flip side some of the prayers to Mary seem VERY disrespectful towards God too. Calling her savior of the world, people giving up their souls and laying their salvations on her hands and other such things, are honestly frightening to me whenever I witness them in my parish. So what do I do? I know one thing for certain. Nobody in the Bible prays to the saints. If Apostles can be good Christians without praying to the saints, so can I.

[@bibleman8010]

Rev 5 :8-12 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂ ➨ INTERCESSION of the SAINTS: REV 5 v 8... 8 When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones. 9 They sang a new hymn: "Worthy are you to receive the scroll and to break open its seals, for you were slain and with your blood you purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue, people and nation. Only an Omniscient God can understand all the languages of all nations Nations..John Is a creature and Cant. Only an Omniscient God. 13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, everything in the universe, cry out: "To the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor, glory and might, forever and ever."Now John HERD ALL THIS all those languages of the earth. How did He hear all those Languages and understand them . God Had to have made it possible for John why couldn’t he do that for those in Heaven as well.. So why cant Mary and the saints hear since they have an Omniscient God to Make things Know to them the saints don’t have to Be Omniscient. God gave them that ability. What are , the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders doing with . Those Prayers in their hands the prayers of the holy ones.Why did God give those Prays to them to Give them to Him 9When he broke open the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar 8 the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God.10 cried out in a loud voice, "How long will it be, holy and true master, 9 before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?"11Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been. This Makes It Know to those Saints In Heaven That God would avenge the saints On earth at a Further tine The lord can Make know to those in heaven what happens on earth at a future time They are Now aware of thing going on Now do you think since they pray to the Lord they would not be praying to the Lord for their Brothers and Sisters of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been to preserve them as the others had been . What act of Love are Christians told to do for one another Pray for one another Rev18: 19-24 What’s the reaction to those in heaven… To the destruction Of Babylon On earth if they aren’t made aware of what’s happening on earth. God made them aware giving Biblical proof that The Saints can be made aware of what’s taking place on Earth. They must have seen it Because allowed them to see it. Mathew 18:6-7 Do not harm little children because God loves them as well as Babes in the Faith Physically or spiritually. . 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Why does he say this “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. What does that mean the Angles are assigned to these children to watch over them and pray for them. They go before the father and Intercede for them . How do Angles know what is taking place on earth Angles are not Omniscient God thru the Holy Sprit reveals it to them they don’t have to be Omniscient. Luke 15:7 I tell you, in just the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance. How can People in heaven rejoice over someone coming to repentance? If they’re not aware of their repentance. Now since Mary and the Saints are In heaven are they aware of their repentance and rejoice. Those in Heaven must be aware of what’s happening on Earth. Luke 15:10 In just the same way, I tell you, there will be rejoicing among the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Those in Heaven must be aware of what’s happening on Earth i 8 2 14 The four living creatures answered, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped. 10 You made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they will reign on earth." 11 I looked again and heard the voices of many angels who surrounded the throne and the living creatures and the elders. They were countless 5 in number, 12 and they cried out in a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches, wisdom and strength, honor and glory and blessing." 13

[@highinfovoter8909]

I love to hear things like this. Can I ask what has kept you from leaving the Catholic church and joining a Protestant one?

[@bcj842]

Reading through Catholic history, as I've not had first-hand experience like you, I've found many highly offensive examples of idolatry being practiced by lay-catholics that went entirely un-chastised by the magisterium. What's worse is they didn't just turn a blind eye to it, they outright fostered and encouraged it, using it to exploit the church, giving them specific prayers to pray in certain parts of the world on certain days for specific "limited-time only" blessings. Certainly leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.

[@colin1818]

"So what do I do?" Look for another church. One that actually follows the teachings of Christ and the apostles. But no matter what, don't lose faith. And always keep your eye on Christ.

[@alebaneseman7330]

As a Catholic, you should be aware of the fact that Catholic Teachings on Praying to the Saints and Calling for Mary’s intercession is not sin, here is biblical evidence: In a dream, God commanded King Abimelech to ask Abraham to intercede for him: “For [Abraham] is a prophet and he will pray for you, so you shall live” (Gen. 20:7). When the Lord is angry with Job’s friends because they did not speak rightly about God, he tells them, “Let my servant Job pray for you because I will accept his [prayer], lest I make a terror on you” (Job 42:8). SECONDLY: The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself (John 11:25; 14:6) and the bread of life who bestows life on all who eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:35, 48, 51, 53-56). The saints are alive in heaven because of the life they have received through their faith in Christ Jesus and through their eating of his body and blood. The book of Revelation shows the saints worshipping God, singing hymns, playing instruments, making requests to Christ to avenge their martyrdom, and offering prayers for the saints on earth (Rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11). 3RD: Does the Bible say we should approach the saints with our prayers? Yes, in two places. In Revelation 5:8 John saw the Lamb, Christ Jesus, on a throne in the midst of four beasts and 24 elders. When the Lamb took the book with the seven seals, the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb in worship, “each one having a harp and golden bowls of incenses, which are the prayers of the saints.” Similarly, in Revelation 8:3-4 we are told that something similar happened when the Lamb opened the seventh seal of the book: “Another angel came and stood on the altar, having a golden censer, and many incenses were given to him, in order that he will give it with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne. And the smoke of the incenses went up with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.” Ok now that we have proven that praying for intercession of Saints is good, especially Mary, one more evidence specially for intercession of Mary is Wedding at Cana, now about disturbing prayers to Mary, honestly I think if you knew Catholic teachings on Mary you would not feel disturbed, biblical evidence for Mary being our Mother is found when Jesus was on the Cross, as evidence for her being Queen is found in revelation plus the fact that The Mother of king of the Jews at around the time of David was the Queen, so we should Honor and venerate her, as for giving her their souls etc, I think you Mean Holy Slavery to Mary, you go to Jesus through Mary, Mary being the Queen and our Mother will help us reach to Jesus, this does not mean that She is more important then Jesus, NO, because we only Worship Jesus and Love him above everything else. Mary leads us to Jesus. If you have any further concerns of Catholic teachings, ask me more I can help if you want, beware of feeling worried, feelings are not always accurate to leading us to truth, the devil will tempt us in any way or feelings to get us out of Catholicism.

[@Max-nm3wq]

Jesus told us: “Behold your Mother” and I will definitely refer to her as my mother. That means as good sons we should make her a priority and I would recommend my Protestant brothers to quit being rebellious teenagers. I think many people have a better understanding of salvation and heaven. People who are grace filled such as Mary make it to heaven and live there forever and are not dead. Mary is more alive than we are. Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with you!

[@savedbygrace8337]

Romans 1:25 “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

[@eliasgarcia6576]

God Bless!!!!

[@Conservative_East]

How hard, difficult, and challenging to pray directly to God our Father in the name of Jesus Christ... I don't understand these people.

[@Mctwist42]

Unfortunately, the believe that the doctrine of the Catholic Church is also the word of God, so they are deceived.

[@susandanielwicz400]

We do that also.😊

[@DNew7]

Thank you! Excellent

[@missaleromanum5614]

Hail, full of Grace! The lord is with thee. Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!

[@SeekTheCross]

"Hail, full of Grace!" is actually not the correct translation and is made by Catholics for Catholics. The actual quote from Luke 1: “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

[@missaleromanum5614]

@SeekTheCross - you are wrong. The original greek is Chaire kecharitōmenē Every other use of the word "chaire" in the bible is translated as "hail". Kecharitōminē is the perfect passive participle of charitŏō, which means "to make graceful". Therefore the angel is telling her that she has been made graceful, or full of grace. It's a perfect translation but you and other protestants don't like the implication of the translation, so you make excuses to change and ignore it.

[@SeekTheCross]

@@missaleromanum5614 I didnt know I was Protestant, are you satanic by praying to a sleeping saint?

[@SeekTheCross]

@@missaleromanum5614 why do you assume I am Protestant?

[@SeekTheCross]

@@thatguy2521 amen

[@hSquaredSunshine]

I know many Catholics who are very devoted to Jesus and I have no doubt they are saved. However, I believe Mike is correct about praying to saints opening the door to wickedness. Many "fortunetellers" use prayer to saints to justify very anti-Biblical practices.

[@arspsychologia4401]

Some witches pray to Jesus. Does that make all instances of praying to Jesus bad? No. God is more powerful than Satan.

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

​@@arspsychologia4401there's no such thing as a real witch hate to break it to you

[@munashemanamike4217]

@@marcellofunhouse1234 Your so lost bro. There's so much evil in this world

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

@@munashemanamike4217 source trust me bro

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

@@munashemanamike4217 only one witch is in the Bible that's it nowhere else that one I can believe is a witch ones nowadays aren't real likely

[@bibleman8010]

The words of the first part of the Hail Mary are words addressed to her by the angel Gabriel and her relative Elizabeth. The second part is merely a request for the mother of God to pray for us. But most important of all: the whole point (the context) of the Hail Mary is not Mary but the incarnation of Jesus. Without the incarnation, we would have no Our Father. If Jesus had not taken flesh in her womb, we would necver have heard of her. So whenever we pray the Hail Mary, we are professing our faith in Jesus, the Word made flesh. As she said to Elizabeth, her soul magnifies the Lord; everything about her speaks of God.👍👍 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Luke 1:29 "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee) Luke 1:38 "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb." (blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus) 1 Corinthians 7:34 "An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit." (Holy Mary) Luke 2:6-7 "6 While they were there, the time came for her to have her child, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn son." (Mother of God) 2 Corinthians 1:11 "as you help us with prayer, so that thanks may be given by many on our behalf for the gift granted us through the prayers of many." (pray for us sinners now) Matthew 10:22 "but whoever endures to the end will be saved". (and at the hour of our death. Amen.) I don't think you would disagree with me on the Lord's Prayer, Glory Be, and the Apostle's Creed, but if you do, then tell me :0)

[@raphaelfeneje486]

"without the incarnation, we'll have no Father." Who was the father to the children of Israel? Proverb 30:4 sees YHWH saying he has a Son. All those are excuses to justify the cultic worship of Mary. Go and read the Glories of Mary and see how she commands God and God obeys. She's also called Omnipotent. Go and read your sources instead of believing hearsay You just quoted passages that has nothing to do with praying to dead saints. Scriptures doesn't support you, neither the early first and second century church.

[@sam_tate]

In Matthew 4, Satan also (improperly/wrong context) quotes Scripture. That is to say, just because bible verses are quoted, it doesn't mean that they're being used properly or quoted correctly. Also. Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is God. She is Not the Mother of God. There is a difference.

[@bibleman8010]

@@raphaelfeneje486 . . . Jesus now in heaven sits at the right hand of the Father . . . He has supreme dominion over all, and also over Mary . . . (p. 179)👏👏 Be comforted, O unfortunate soul, who hast lost thy God,” says St. Bernard; “thy Lord himself has provided thee with a mediator, and this is his Son Jesus, who can obtain for thee all that thou desirest. He has given thee Jesus for a mediator; and what is there that such a son cannot obtain from the Father?” Let’s summarize, then, the explicit statements thus far by St. Alphonsus, teaching that God, not Mary, is the source of all salvation and grace, and that Mary is by no means, in no way, shape, or form, divine, but a mere creature, whom God uses in an extraordinary fashion: 1) “My most loving Redeemer and Lord Jesus Christ” 2) “graces that I have received from God” 3) “his precious blood in which alone is our salvation, life, and resurrection.” 4) “the plenitude of all grace which is in Christ as the Head, from which it flows, as from its source” 5) “God is the source of every good, and the absolute master of all graces” 6) “Mary is only a pure creature” 7) “Mary . . . receives whatever she obtains as a pure favor from God” 8) “Jesus Christ is the only Mediator of justice” 9) “by his merits he obtains us all graces and salvation” 10) ” receiving all she obtains through Jesus Christ, . . . in the name of Jesus Christ” 11) “. . . all graces that have been, that are, and will be dispensed to men . . . through the merits of Christ” 12) ” the mediation of Christ alone is absolutely necessary” 13) “Jesus . . . has supreme dominion over all, and also over Mary” 14) “a mediator, . . . his Son Jesus, who can obtain for thee all that thou desirest.” 15) “He has given thee Jesus for a mediator; and what is there that such a son cannot obtain from the Father?” 16) “Jesus . . . having satisfied divine justice for them [our sins] by his death, he has already effaced them from your souls”

[@bibleman8010]

@@sam_tate So then you do not believe Mary carried the divinity in her womb and gave birth to it?....You believe rather that the divinity of GOD only came into Christ after he was born and seperate the divinity from the humanity of Christ(this is Nestorians)?....Do you believe the word mother means source?...If so do you believe your mother is the source of your soul?...or is she your mother because she carried you in her womb and gave birth to you?😍😍

[@Littleangel_-jp4xb]

ohh no, no, no. That is context you added! There is no prayer to Mary anywhere in the bible. The first part of the "hail Mary" is a greeting, nothing more. The rest is just made up. Very dangerous of you to be adding context that isn't there.

[@clivejames5058]

When people say "where in the Bible does it say to pray to Mary?" we have to remember that she was a contemporary of the Apostles and their companions (who wrote the NT) so obviously beyond what Luke wrote about her in his Gospel, is just conjecture. I have a huge amount of love and respect for Mary but I agree, best to leave it there and just pray to God.

[@monicarandall6391]

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[@vanheath5382]

2 things: 1) I don’t know anywhere in the Bible that says those who have died, whose spirits have left this earth, can hear us. I only see that God omnipresent and sees and hears us no matter where we are. 2) Jesus says to pray to the Father directly, and to make our requests in Jesus name. There is in fact no other name by which we can be saved.

[@bibleman8010]

Rev 5 :8-12 ➨ INTERCESSION of the SAINTS: REV 5 v 8... 8🤷‍♀🤷‍♀ When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones. 9 They sang a new hymn: "Worthy are you to receive the scroll and to break open its seals, for you were slain and with your blood you purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue, people and nation. Only an Omniscient God can understand all the languages of all nations Nations..John Is a creature and Cant. Only an Omniscient God. 13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, everything in the universe, cry out: "To the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor, glory and might, forever and ever."Now John HERD ALL THIS all those languages of the earth. How did He hear all those Languages and understand them . God Had to have made it possible for John why couldn’t he do that for those in Heaven as well.. So why cant Mary and the saints hear since they have an Omniscient God to Make things Know to them the saints don’t have to Be Omniscient. God gave them that ability. What are , the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders doing with . Those Prayers in their hands the prayers of the holy ones.Why did God give those Prays to them to Give them to Him 9When he broke open the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar 8 the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God.10 cried out in a loud voice, "How long will it be, holy and true master, 9 before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?"11Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been. This Makes It Know to those Saints In Heaven That God would avenge the saints On earth at a Further tine The lord can Make know to those in heaven what happens on earth at a future time They are Now aware of thing going on Now do you think since they pray to the Lord they would not be praying to the Lord for their Brothers and Sisters of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been to preserve them as the others had been . What act of Love are Christians told to do for one another Pray for one another Rev18: 19-24 What’s the reaction to those in heaven… To the destruction Of Babylon On earth if they aren’t made aware of what’s happening on earth. God made them aware giving Biblical proof that The Saints can be made aware of what’s taking place on Earth. They must have seen it Because allowed them to see it. Mathew 18:6-7 Do not harm little children because God loves them as well as Babes in the Faith Physically or spiritually. . 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Why does he say this “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. What does that mean the Angles are assigned to these children to watch over them and pray for them. They go before the father and Intercede for them . How do Angles know what is taking place on earth Angles are not Omniscient God thru the Holy Sprit reveals it to them they don’t have to be Omniscient. Luke 15:7 I tell you, in just the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance. How can People in heaven rejoice over someone coming to repentance? If they’re not aware of their repentance. Now since Mary and the Saints are In heaven are they aware of their repentance and rejoice. Those in Heaven must be aware of what’s happening on Earth. Luke 15:10 In just the same way, I tell you, there will be rejoicing among the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Those in Heaven must be aware of what’s happening on Earth i 8 2 14 The four living creatures answered, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped. 10 You made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they will reign on earth." 11 I looked again and heard the voices of many angels who surrounded the throne and the living creatures and the elders. They were countless 5 in number, 12 and they cried out in a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches, wisdom and strength, honor and glory and blessing." 13

[@sonicrocks2007]

Interesting but false. There are places in the Bible where it says saints can hear you and prayers ascend to them. Or maybe your Bible doesn't have Hebrews or revelation. I am not sure. Check your bible to see if it has revelations and get back. I agree prayers should be directed to the father. But we can have any Christian join us alive or dead.

[@RubberTag]

I agree fully with your description!

[@bettymofokeng3404]

Pastor Mike on point ☝️🙏 for sticking to the the Bible 👍

[@kyrptonite1825]

How do you know which Books belong in the Bible? Because a Council of Bishops decided which Books are Scripture (Protected from Error by Holy Spirit), unless you don’t believe in the Church?

[@EdwardGraveline]

THERE WAS NO BIBLE FOR 352 YEARS AFTER CHRIST. WHAT DID THEY DO THEN?

[@assasinsjeff]

Mary always deferred others to Jesus when they asked her for help like the wine. Mary is a great woman maybe the greatest woman though we don’t know much about her and that’s for a reason

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

That depends on how well know scripture and writings about her outside of scripture from the Apostle John whom she lived with in Ephesus along with the apocrypha the Gospel of James attributed to the brother of Jesus. Start with Psalm 45 and all the Queens of the Davidic dynasty being Queen Mothers or the mother of the King (every one if them are named in the OT).

[@user-iw5ff9um9f]

@@Jesus3ITrustinThee And that is the thing: We cannot go outside of the Bible to form a dogma that is contrary to the Bible.That is what Rome wants all the time and I think this is unbiblical. Prayint to Mary is unbiblical. God bless!

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@user-iw5ff9um9f Thank you friend in Christ. I think it is always a challenge when we do not understand the different interpretations of sacred scripture that others may have. Our normal reaction is to say I know according to my knowledge, when as disciples of Christ we should boast of the Lord, pointing to seek his glory, rather than the glory of being right or of my knowledge. We walk by faith, not by sight (2 Cor 5:7). Through Peter we are commanded to "[k]now this first of all, that there is no PROPHECY of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God". 2 Peter 1:20-21. Godspeed and May God bless you as well. Amen. Come Lord Jesus, create in us by your spirit and renew the face of the earth.

[@user-iw5ff9um9f]

@@Jesus3ITrustinThee Amen!

[@sarahoff5043]

As a former Catholic, they do not believe Mary died on this earth but that she was assumed body and soul into heaven.

[@Jaceareeno]

Catho-paganism is disgusting.

[@vtaylor21]

You claimed to be a former Catholic but claimed something that Catholics don’t teach. Catholics teach Mary was assumed into heaven. It never taught Mary did not die. Mary could have died, and her body was taken up. She could been assumed after she died. The Catholic Church never gave a definitive statement on her death.

[@MrsKatB]

@@vtaylor21 I am also former Catholic. I remember being taught the assumption of Mary. I don't ever recall any kind of clarification that she did die. I was taught that Jesus went up and then after Mary did too. As if they were doing the same thing.

[@fabiotuan5206]

@@MrsKatB I know. They never have scripture to back it up either! They just go and run with whatever they are told or taught, sad really.

[@julieelizabeth4856]

@@MrsKatB Jesus ascended into Heaven on his own power. Mary was assumed (very different, not on her own power) after she died, and we aren't told how old she was. It was believed from the beginning, just not written down. Things don't have to be written down to be true. Look up paintings by artists that were done hundreds of years ago with titles such as "The Assumption of Mary" or "The Coronation" or "Queen of Heaven". They didn't cause any scandal when they were painted because these things were always believed. The early Christians kept relics of martyrs with them. That's why they were hated by the Romans and persecuted for hundreds of years because the Romans feared death. But no one has a single relic of Mary. There are relics of hundreds, maybe thousands of saints, but none of Mary.

[@burpinglight9415]

You shall love the Lord with all your heart, with all your strength and with all your being. All the space that you have in your heart will be for Him, and so is your being and strength there is no space for anyone else.

[@joehun1]

Acts 12:5 5 So Peter was kept in prison, but the church was earnestly praying to God for him.

[@ATexican]

​@@joehun1, please elaborate on what you are trying to say?

[@robertdouglas8895]

There is only one of us. John 17.20-24

[@SDsc0rch]

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[@flutep2069]

@@joehun1 The people alive in the church at that time we’re praying for him.

[@clintresler1218]

Mr. Winger, is that the infallible interpretation of the scriptures?

[@geoffjs]

The scandal of Protestantism

[@oggolbat7932]

As a catholic, we don't worship Mary, we honor her and ask her to pray for us, just like we ask any other person.

[@gy5240]

I recommend you listen to the video. He addresses that type of logic against the scriptures

[@ContendingEarnestly]

No, the ccc says you pray TO mary. And in another spot it says that devotion to her is intrinsic to catholic worship. Intrinsic means essential. So devotion to Mary is essential to catholic worship. CCC 2679 Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. *When we pray to her...* CCC 971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."

[@bertpenney3526]

@@ContendingEarnestly The comment you are responding to says that Catholics do not *worship* Mary. It doesn't say Catholics don't *pray* to her. Aside from Jesus Himself, Mary is the holiest person who has ever lived or will ever live.

[@Gordon_2000]

@@bertpenney3526 The Bible says, prayer is worship, and you should only worship God. Anything else is idolatry. Repent before it´s too late.

[@bertpenney3526]

@@Gordon_2000 Where does the Bible tell us that prayer is worship? From a strictly linguistic perspective, prayer is a request, a petition for a favor or some other sort of question. Worship, on the other hand, is an expression of reverence and adoration. As such, you can pray to someone for whom you have no respect or even have revulsion of. It is not the same as worship,

[@georgiadittman1130]

Very timely. I was thinking about this the other day and wondering why the Catholic Church elevates Mary to the Queen of Heaven and why they do rosary prayers to her for intercession. The other concern I have is about statuary. Catholic churches and sites are filled with statues that people pray to. Are we not commanded to have no physical images of Jesus, God or Saints, etc.? "2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them." Why then does the Catholic Church have so much statutory?

[@bibleman8010]

Why then does the Catholic Church have so much statutory it tells the story of the bible that's why Catholicism is the only Christian Faith . They are lead in worship By the Pope The Bishop Of Rome for those People who say the word Pope isn’t in the Bible, who was given the Keys to Heaven From Jesus . Through Apostolic succession From Peter the First Pope they worship Jesus, And thru The Holy Tradition Of the Saints formed the Bible , Biblical doctrines, Such as the Trinity, Sunday service, Easter, And Christmas teach Grace alone for salvation, Did not remove books From the Bible but preserved the writings of the Jewish Old testament which the protestants threw out , Catholics want to worship Jesus with all 5 of their senses . • Music for the ears, • Incense for the nose, • Statues and art for the eyes, Please pray a sincere prayer with all of your heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His blood pays off all of your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life. And give your confession to a Priest Jesus never said to confess your sins to either him Or to the Father pray that God blesses you with peace. Amen The truth is that Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much! :D🤔🤔

[@susandanielwicz400]

Long explanation. Basically, you need to do more research on the why of this.

[@TheCoachsCoach933]

Because the Queens of Judah were the king’s mothers and not their wives. The Lord’s Queen Mother is Mary. And they aren’t praying to the statue. Is it a sin to have likenesses of loved ones that walked this earth? The church is constantly being bashed for not being able to frame photographs they didn’t know how to take 2000 years ago. Statues and paintings was the only tech they had.

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@TheCoachsCoach933 Please quote the verse saying Mary is Queen mother and deserves worship.

[@TheCoachsCoach933]

@@indigofenrir7236 Mary is to Jesus what Bathsheba was to Solomon. There is a reason the king’s mother is listed with their Son in the book of kings. And Catholics do not worship Mary. Have you ever been to a Mass? Only perpetual God worship going on there for 2000 years Brother. 1 Kings 2:19Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand. 20Then she said, I desire one small petition of thee; I pray thee, say me not nay. And the king said unto her, Ask on, my mother: for I will not say thee nay.

[@StrangeDays25]

God bless and have mercy on all Roman Catholic people. Having had a dream of being in heaven. It was extremely beautiful with joy and peace greater than imaginable. No human in heaven is going to want to be bothered in heaven. By the flesh of this world. Not only that but 1 Timothy 2 clearly says that there is one God and one Mediator between God and men. The man Jesus Christ.

[@susandanielwicz400]

Thanks, but we really do not need you to ask for mercy for us.

[@kyloren6396]

As a protestant who's becoming a small 'c' catholic, the idea isn't that Catholics believe that they need Mary to get to God. It's more that she's apart of the Holy Family and the holy family. She as well as all the saints are a part of the trimphant church in heaven and what anti catholic protestants often use to refute catholic tradition is that God wants a personal relationship with us. Mary doesn't get in the way of that for Catholics. 1. The Rosary doesn't divert focus away from Christ because it's 10 Hail Mary's per Our Father. It's a meditation on the life of Christ through the eyes of his mother which paints a completely different perspective. 2. God wants a personal relationship with his creation but faith isn't meant to be individualistic. We are one body in Christ, we're meant to pray together, be family, be united. A better description of intercessory prayer isn't praying to or through but rather praying with and why do you guys God is gonna get mad if I go directly to him, but bring along my siblings. God isn't an attention-seeker.

[@darrencole97]

I pray to God

[@louiealbarado3233]

He want hear you unless you pray in Jesus name, John 16:23-24-26

[@darrencole97]

@@louiealbarado3233 Amen

[@ogloc6308]

Thank you Pastor Mike. I think this is one of the biggest issues that pretty much takes Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy off of the table for me. Glory to God alone. Prayer to God alone.

[@dumbcat]

@@bigredghostI've heard it explained this way... Jesus was not racist. When he called the woman a 'dog' He meant puppy. He was suggesting she was like a puppy who wanted bread and was distracting the master from the children (disciples who needed rest)

[@apracity7672]

"You can ask anybody to pray for you, it's just as good". No, because the effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much

[@julieelizabeth4856]

Yes and who could be more righteous than those already in heaven? It's how Revelation 5:8 was always understood (the prayers of the saints being offered on our behalf) until people decided they could make up the Bible to say whatever they wanted it to.

[@TriciaPerry-ef7bi]

​@@julieelizabeth4856yes but nobody is in heaven yet The lamb book of life not written.m

[@whiplash1994]

So cute watching Protestants try to interpret the Bible. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee Blessed art thou among women And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death. Amen.

[@geoffjs]

Especially when they have 7 less books than us!

[@nowahn2020]

In regard to "who's my mother, who's my brother" you should explain the tie in with him on the cross when he trusts John, someone who's not a family member, with his mother. He's effectively telling us that she is OUR mother, and we are her children. After all, we are his brothers and sisters and the Father's children.