Predicting Ultimate's Fighters Pass Vol. 2: 1st Party Characters

How does the saying go? "The hype train has no brakes"? With a second Fighters Pass well under way for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, six more characters will get to join the fight by the end of next year. And we even know of the first newcomer already! ...Or at least which game they're from.
But that has left the Smash community wondering: Who else will be chosen to join Ultimate's second season of DLC? Does the surprise reveal that an ARMS character is headlining Vol. 2 change anything, or will this selection of fighters follow a similar pattern as the previous set? Let's take a look.
For this part, we'll be covering which first party characters are most worth considering for Smash over the next year and a half. Nintendo's stable may not be as trendy to talk about as all the third party behemoths available, but there's a lot of genuinely interesting choices here with fanbases that are oft overshadowed in speculation. We've even seen several compelling new characters step up in just the past couple years!
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[@cosigmatic6281]

“If he had a new game in the works right now that could be released later this year”. One week later 👀

[@runningoncylinders3829]

Origami Salami King

[@devoncipolla6128]

That felt a little too perfect

[@swikbox4276]

Does he know something we don't?

[@justinc.5591]

@gengardian swikbox A new Paper Mario game was rumored since January.

[@swikbox4276]

@@justinc.5591 but he said like he knew it was going to happen.

[@DONUTDONUTDONUTDONUTDONUT]

*MAN WOULDNT IT BE CONVENIENT IF A NEW PAPER MARIO GAME CAME OUT.*

[@dls1960]

Matthew Stratton dude shut up

[@PinaCabety]

Matthew Stratton I hope you’re joking

[@dls1960]

Matthew Stratton dude your an asshole

[@grunkleg.3110]

As much as I love your content, it sort of makes me sad that you have to deconstruct the Smash community in every video. Speaks volumes about the community

[@nixuniverse5240]

You have to because Smash fans don’t listen. You have to explain very simple things 700 times and they still find a way to interpret what you’re saying wrong.

[@saucymongoose7246]

@@nixuniverse5240 It's so true that it hurts.

[@stuartwilson7527]

Honestly, I think it's refreshing. So much Smash speculation is just name-calling and pointless salt, it's nice to see someone calmly explain their choices and the biases of the greater community

[@clauke4014]

He did a really good job

[@MetalZuko]

Of course it does. They deserve it.

[@TripleJump]

For Bandana Dee's stage, I can see Another Dimension making it in. It's the most consistent location throughout the modern Kirby games and is very striking. I can imagine the stage hazards being the impending wall and the Sphere Doomers.

[@OriginalGameteer]

A modern kirby stage would be dope

[@AndroidHarris]

That what I thought it could also be the stage they pick if magolor got in instead.

[@AndroidHarris]

@@LukeDobsonToshiro102 that would be awesome any modern Kirby stage would be great or at the very least something after super star would be great too as Kirby stages only seem to be green greens and some from adventure and super star. While Zelda gets botw and skyward sword stages and Mario gets Galaxy and Odyssey stages. Kirby is living in the past in these games. Any stage from return to dreamland, triple deluxe, planet robobot, amazing mirror, squeak squad, or even canvas curse or mass attack would be awesome.

[@andrewclark3330]

8:03 A Pokemon From Sword And Shield 11:08 Akira (From Astral Chain) 13:44 Ring Fit Trainee (From Ring Fit Adventure) 16:23 Euden (From Dragalia Lost) 19:11 Rex And Pyra (From Xenoblade Chronicles 2) 21:50 Bandana Dee (From The Kirby Series) 24:28 Paper Mario (From The Paper Mario Series) 27:16 ???

[@MetalZuko]

Astral Chain and Ring Fit have Spirits. Rex, Pyra, Bandana Waddle Dee, and Paper Mario are also Spirits. These are just the same old guesses, wants, and desires again and again and again. You guys are simply expecting certain characters when clearly the unexpected is the focus of how Nintendo is handling the DLC.

[@MetalZuko]

@Charles Burrows Maybe Rillaboom should have been a Spirit just to have Donkey Kong as the puppet fighter. XD

[@Angel-tu3nr]

@@MetalZuko okay..? arms is 1st party and unexpected? so is akira, ring fit and bandana dee bro its the same shit.

[@MetalZuko]

@@Angel-tu3nr Those are NOT unexpected. Bandana Waddle Dee alone is one of the guesses that EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is saying, so it's completely expected. All these guesses I'm seeing is the same shit, not what you're saying.

[@raiderfan9086]

@Charles Burrows idkkk images a character reveal with donkey playing the bongos and boom!! Rillaboom beats the competition!!

[@Chronoflation]

Astral Chain and Dragalia Lost would be interesting, especially if they make a console Dragalia Lost game

[@clauke4014]

Definitely

[@MetalZuko]

@Taylor Drost Rex is a Spirit and Mii costume. Also, Pyra is one of the featured Spirits of this weekend's Spirit Board event.

[@JorjoGiovanna]

Would be cool but wouldn’t it be hard to turn a gacha game into a console game

[@clauke4014]

@@JorjoGiovanna not really they can easily make console games into gacha games I don't see why they could do it the other way around

[@Chronoflation]

@@JorjoGiovanna I mean, they turned a console game into a gatcha game, they could invert it. Just make a game that has a large set of unlockable characters throughout the main campaign. It covers the character appeal of gatcha in doing that, and it can otherwise be mechanically unique, as long as it still has a Dragalia Lost "feel" to it. Don't include all of the gatcha characters, or maybe even don't include any and make it completely standalone, and then bring those stand alone characters into the gatcha game. I think it'd work decently enough

[@snackcakesgaming]

My little hopes ARMS Rep: Min Min Other First Party: Rex Third Party: Travis Touchdown

[@IcyDiamond]

Beanie The Burb Arms Rep: Spring Man or Helix Other First Party: Waluigi Third Party: Steve?

[@DeCryptid23]

I'm hoping for Min Min, Twintelle, or Max Brass.

[@IcyDiamond]

Mikael Rhoads why them?

[@DeCryptid23]

@@IcyDiamond Min Min and Twintelle are fan favorites, along with being good female representation. And Max Brass... Is just my wierd personal favorite. I like his design.

[@IcyDiamond]

Mikael Rhoads Max Brass looks like Captain Falcon

[@TheRyanSucksAtGames]

I would be 900% down with getting a character from Dragalia Lost just for the remixes alone. The home menu theme in that game is addictive as hell.

[@lucrativelucas2655]

Hell the title screen is pretty great too, I don't think I've heard a bad song in game

[@nore5888]

The best song is Ryusei Toshi

[@djdjinn6340]

Oh snap! A new Delzethin video! Your positive attitude and enthusiasm for Smash always makes my day a little brighter, something we really need in these trying times. Thanks for doing what you do!

[@CoolMintMC]

I second this.^

[@BulbaWhat98]

Guidelines 3-5 pretty much called out the Smash community’s overreaction to Byleth. I couldn’t agree more with these guidelines

[@Alex-jz2hk]

Is that Euden at the Thumbnail?!?! Cultured you are...

[@clauke4014]

Literally started dragalia lost about a week ago, instantly became one of my favorite games

[@Rostof_TheGreat]

@@clauke4014 man you should've been there during the Mega Man crossover, he's such a great unit

[@MasterJ_2003]

Honestly just based on Euden's description I want to try out Dragalia Lost

[@clauke4014]

@@MasterJ_2003 it's really good you should try it

[@JorjoGiovanna]

Mr. Dragon nah he missed out on Marth he’s super OP

[@metareaper8008]

My most wanted character is grovyle from pmdes But I've accepted that will never happen

[@Hamada-uy8uy]

Stay strong. The Grovyle fanbase will never die.

[@metareaper8008]

@@Hamada-uy8uy thanks man I'm hoping that a pmdes remake eventually gets made Especially since the newer games have bettered the gameplay

[@EmiCheese]

Yeah! That's one of the pokemon that pops into my head whenever someone asks about newcomers. And we have no gen 3 representative or stage.

[@Hamada-uy8uy]

Well, considering Rescue Team got an amazing remake, Explorers could be on its way! While the more likely PMD rep would be a generic rescue team (which would still be great to see), Grovyle (& Celebi) is my most wanted newcomer.

[@IcyDiamond]

Who?

[@Zebliin]

Good video. The more recent Astral Chain and Ring Fit events make me doubt them, but would be happy with any of these characters really. My most wanted 1st party characters are Micaiah, Krystal and Isaac, although I don't really want to see the Smash community implode from having another Fire Emblem character so soon so maybe just the latter two!

[@ShanoaSSB]

I really like the concept for Euden, and Akira would be pretty refreshing (reminds me a bit of a stance character). Excited to see what you'll have in the guest fighter video.

[@misterbee5521]

I love when Bandana Waddle Dee gets the recognition that he deserves

[@ShockHat734]

Same

[@Sean_Bird]

I definitely think we’re going to see more 1st Party characters in this DLC pass, at least 2 or 3 more I think. In terms of who I want for 1st Party Characters, Bandana Dee is still #1 for me, but I’m definitely unsure of who they’ll actually add.

[@IcyDiamond]

Sean Bird I hope not

[@bubby-fi9mc]

@@IcyDiamond I hope so

[@bubby-fi9mc]

Bandana Brother!!

[@IcyDiamond]

bubby56789 but i don’t think they’ll chose people like Bandana Dee or Waluigi

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

Apparently the pandemic is making meetings to discuss planned 3rd-party additions difficult. Will this mean they decide to shift plans and aim for more 1st-parties this far down the line? Can't be sure.

[@jigglypuff452]

“What??? You’re hoping for a character that I don’t like? Uhhh... let me quickly grab on to a completely fanmade rule to crush your dream.”

[@Croationman]

There’s a difference between a fan made rule and an unbroken pattern. No spirits have become fighters, neither have assist trophies. I don’t think either of these patterns will prove arbitrary.

[@nautilume7114]

Croationman True, but these patterns can be broken whenever Sakurai feels like doing so. Is it more unlikely to see a character get in if they fall under this pattern? Absolutely! But impossible? No. Patterns are very handy to predict off of but not wise to rely on. For instance, who would’ve thought King K. Rool, Joker, Banjo, Pichu, and Snake would’ve gotten in during speculation days? (Don’t even get me started on the Sans and Cuphead mii costumes, I’m still in shock)

[@Croationman]

@@nautilume7114 They can be broken. I see no good reason to make a character a fighter who's already in the game as an item, spirit, stage hazard, etc. It wouldn't make sense from a marketing perspective as it wouldn't be a surprise.

[@bryndanfrazier5558]

I feel like this Arms rep will tell us how serious these patterns are

[@jigglypuff452]

Croationman tbh Sakurai lives on anything besides patterns because he’s so unpredictable, I don’t think how he normally picks things is gonna stop him from bringing the game to the full potential. Chrom is still in Robin’s FS and he’s a Fighter, so I don’t think a Spirit or Assist would stop a certain character from coming. Also, things like this have already happened for Lucas and Mewtwo in 4, they could just add a new Fighter Spirit for that character like Lucas.

[@dr.ninjake]

I had an idea for Euden’s moveset. Since cooperation is such a big part of Dragalia Lost’s plot and gameplay, perhaps Euden’s moves could have Elisanne, Ranzal, Luca, and Cleo come in for assistance. They all have their own health bars on Euden’s UI, and if they’re damaged enough, they no longer assist until Euden gets another stock. For example, for Euden’s up special, He uses Blazing Circlet, but if Ranzal is alive, he shows up and uses Tornado Bash alongside Euden.

[@philippecoppieters4742]

Doctor NinJake What are you even talking about?

[@prismking3282]

@@philippecoppieters4742 Play Dragalia Lost

[@ffiiggyy]

I may not have played Dragalia Lost but that moveset idea is pretty cool. Kinda works like Robin's tomes and Levin Sword but can only be restored with losing a stock. Also ngl Gunvolt would be pretty cool.

[@dr.ninjake]

ffiiggyy T. Piggy Gunvolt is my pipe dream, fortunately he’s gonna be in Indie Pogo.

[@ffiiggyy]

@@dr.ninjake I feel the same way. Hope something from Azure Striker Gunvolt does come to Smash. And Mighty No. 9.

[@truthsinger7413]

Nice job with the great video today! Like the intro and about how we should be calmer when discussing DLC.

[@duragdee2760]

I think all Smash speculation videos should follow a similar format, as to minimise toxicity.

[@XshadOtakuX]

I'd seriously consider looking into Sylux. I really think he's got a more legit chance than most other First Party characters, and here's why: Sylux isn't a big deal just yet, but there's no doubt he will be. Ever since he appeared as one of six playable hunters in a DS spinoff, the Metroid Prime series dev team has made it clear that they're nowhere near done with him. His return has been HEAVILY foreshadowed in both the 100% endings of MP3 and Federation Force, and the devs straight-up confirmed he'll be taking center stage in Prime 4. Not to mention, out of all the characters to debut in Hunters, he's easily the most fan-favorite, and may even be one of the most beloved characters in the series, depending on who you ask. He's got amazing moveset potential, too. Just from his appearance in Hunters, we can see he uses powered armor similar to Samus's, a main weapon called the Shock Coil that can drain health from enemies, a Morph Ball-like Lockjaw form that can leave electric tripwires, and a plethora of other weapons he borrows from the other hunters for the game's Multiplayer mode. And that's just in one spinoff game; due to his upcoming central importance in a main series title, he's likely to get a huge update to his abilities, as well, giving him an insane amount of unknown potential that we as fans can't possibly fully imagine. Now, all that may not guarantee him a roster spot (or even make it likely, really), but considering all of that, it's actually rather suspect he doesn't even have a Spirit in Smash Ultimate. It's not like they just forgot about Hunters, either; Trace and Kanden still have Spirits in the game, after all. Freaking Geemers - the Goombas of the Metroid series - even have a Spirit. Basic enemies and lesser hunters at least have Spirits, but not a fan-favorite, dev-beloved character slated to play a central role in the future of the franchise? Something's up, there. My guess is he was planned for FP1, partially to help promote Prime 4, but when Prime 4's development restarted, the timing got all screwed up. I know you even said in this video that promotion isn't as big a factor as most people think it is, and I agree, but the only other explanation is that they just straight-up chose to completely exclude such a beloved and soon-to-be important character from the biggest crossover in gaming history. Frankly, I just don't buy that.

[@zainmushtaq4347]

This makes perfect sense! There was a leak back before the DLC characters were revealed, which accurately predicted Joker, along with Banjo & Kazooie and a Square Enix rep. The leak also claimed Edelgard from FE: Three Houses would be DLC, but we instead got Byleth, which is sort of close. But the last character the leak claimed was *Sylux* from Metroid, and that's where things get interesting. Metroid Prime 4 was supposed to be this huge game that was probably releasing during Fighters Pass 1, and of course Nintendo would put a character as DLC to promote it, just like Byleth promotes FE:3H, so it makes sense! Heck, there were even leaks and rumors of a Metroid Prime trilogy being released in 2019, but that never happened, most likely because the development got restarted, which was announced in January 2019. So Sylux being in FP1 isn't really far-fetched to speculate, and I also believe he got pushed back to FP2, so I'm hoping to see Sylux sometime next year! Isabelle got added to sort of promote AC: New Horizons, Hero got added to promote Dragon Quest XI S on the Switch and push the franchise to the West, Byleth got added to push FE:3H sales, and ARMS rep is being added to either give ARMS a new life, upcoming DLC, or a sequel, although the first one makes the most sense to me, because it sold quite well in the beginning, but then the sales sort of stopped and supposedly not as many people are playing that game, and Nintendo wants people to play ARMS. The question is, though, if Sylux was cut from FP1, _who_ replaced his slot?? My best guess is Terry Bogard, because even though Fatal Fury/King of FIghters were popular back in the day and SNK and Nintendo sort of have a history, the character wasn't fan-requested AFAIK, and the sales of the franchise were below average (SNK press conference from Dec 2018 reveals that KoF franchise has a total of _4 million sales_ and that's pretty low), so what's really the reason to include him? I'm thinking either SNK struck a deal with Nintendo to promote their franchise since they're trying to reclaim themselves as of late, OR Nintendo was in need of a replacement character ASAP and SNK are in the business of lending their IPs to others and have also worked with Nintendo to publish SNK Heroines on the Switch (which is why the physical edition is exclusive to Switch), so it was natural for them to approach them for the character quickly. Thoughts? :)

[@Dzzy123]

Sylux makes sense. I've always wished that Rundas from Prime 3 would get in since he is also popular among Metroid fans, but that's really unlikely since Rundas probably won't be in another Metroid game. I'd at least like his battle theme to be added to the OST.

[@waheedabdullah6371]

You'll never know if the Sword/Shield pokemon could be regular or mythical: Toxtricity, Sirfetch'd, Grimmsnarl, Urshifu, or Zarude

[@ExtraordinaryBoris]

🤔urshifu might be one. Due to island of armor

[@sm4shifyer677]

I know a helpful strategy: Think of games from every Nintendo series without music tracks featured in SSBU.

[@Bagu_Art]

I would have agreed a few months ago but...Fire Emblem might've killed that potential theory already.

[@sm4shifyer677]

@@Bagu_Art What do you mean?

[@Bagu_Art]

Sm4shifyer like I think looking at series without a music track in smash is a good idea, but fire emblem already had a ton of songs and we got a fire emblem character. Just saying I’m not gonna get my hopes up for all new franchises, but it is interesting to examine which franchises have the least representation so far.

[@sm4shifyer677]

@@Bagu_Art Well, you could look at various Nintendo series represented by at least one fighter and see which games from those series don't have tracks featured in Ultimate. Try starting with series that only have one rep.

[@Bagu_Art]

@@sm4shifyer677 Ah gotcha. I was only thinking of ones like ARMS that didn't have a fighter yet.

[@RidleyKraid187]

With a list like this, who needs Third Parties? XD Rex, Euden, and Akira are the ones catching my eye the most. I have high doubts we’ll get all three, but even getting one of these guys would be a treat. Can’t wait for the Third Party list, and what new things they might bring to the series!

[@comedyagendaguy3390]

the series is over after the dlc

[@Nay089]

You’ve got the best smash speculation videos man! Great voice, great predictions, sound logic. And you don’t get too caught up on rumors. I’m glad I found your channel

[@ArceusDX]

If the Astral Chain protag did get in, they'd be referred to as Legionis, if you recall, Akira is very specifically the twin you DON'T play as, as such they'e not the one that gets the multiple Legions. This is a detail Sakurai would be accurate about. Still not sure why people keep making this mistake, it's no different to people calling Link Zelda.

[@dr.ninjake]

HanimeYT It’s not a mistake, we know their names, it’s just annoying to say “Astral Chain Protagonist” or “Legionis”

[@ArceusDX]

​@@dr.ninjake Well that's just lazy

[@Neoxon619]

Legionis or Officer Howard

[@eeeeggnog._.]

So? It could still be Akira

[@SnipingIsFun]

But you are still playing and fighting as Akira

[@Danvilism]

lol while watching this video for the first time I checked my phone and saw the new trailer for paper mario origami kingdom. After finishing it I continued watching the video only to see paper mario be brought up a little later. I like how you were entertaining the idea of a new paper mario game being in the works, and possibly inspiring paper mario as a new character, and then 2 weeks after this video was made the confirmation was shadow dropped (about a new game, not paper mario being in smash).

[@abrinx7]

First off I love your videos. Your fantastic at giving logical thought and analyzing trends and patterns and not just jumping on the popularity bandwagon(although sometimes they intersect, like with Rex for example). Secondly, anything fresh to the series is fantastic, that's why I'm so excited for an Arms rep, smash is finally getting it's Dhalsim type character that it has been missing for so long. Finally, I'd love to see Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and Ray(Custom Robo) join the battle as the Nintendo Characters, with Ryu Hayabusa(with stealth heavy gameplay) and Arthur(Ghosts and Goblins) join the roster for a fun balance of gameplay potential and Nintendo history.

[@averypatrick5279]

As for the pokemon, I really don't want to see another damn starter evolution. I'd much rather have a new legendary, or even something out of left field, like Boltund or Flapple.

[@nixuniverse5240]

I don’t really think it’s be a starter since none of the starters really got any clout like Charizard or Greninja did. They kinda just came and went. It’s weird though because I can’t think of any regular Pokémon that got clout like Lucario either.

[@saucymongoose7246]

It's gonna be a starter (most likely Cinderace) or that Kung Fu bear. Pokemon always pushes a starter or a mythical or legendary Pokemon.

[@theillusionist1494]

NixUniverse The best candidates I’ve kept in mind are Hatterene, Grimmsnarl, and Toxtricity. That said, I think the legendaries and starters have legitimate chances.

[@lukerabon7925]

In the past hasn't Sakurai admitted to picking what was popular from the anime? Are their even any new Pokemon getting anime hype?

[@theillusionist1494]

Luke Rabon The Galar anime is barely even on its first legs, there’s nowhere near enough to draw fan appeal from, especially considering how much in advance they’d have to decide the fighter. The more I think about it, another gen 7 ‘mon might not actually be off the table. We’d presumably get gen 8 music alongside it, but it would also rectify the lack of US/UM content in the base game.

[@prismking3282]

Delzethin: I think 3 whole new movesets for a pokemon character would be too much for a DLC character Also Delzethin: *Entire Akira Pitch*

[@RefinedSkye]

Wait wait wait. You're not at 15k Subscribers yet? This genuinely surprised me, you make the best Smash content, at least in my opinion. I guess I'd just kinda assumed you had alot more, well if there was ever a time to share a channel with friends this is it

[@tastytango4841]

If astral chain gets in there’s gonna be so many jojo memes between akria and joker (akria)

[@clauke4014]

My goodness dude, probably the best prediction video and/or most thoughtful I've watched. The guidelines are greatly appreciated especially the being flexible one, since a lot of characters have opportunities to get in. I just started dragalia lost a couple days before I watched this video and I think euden would be a great addition! Also others like paper Mario, rex, etc. Would be pretty cool too. I'd say there's gonna be at least one or two more first parties in the pass, and my most wanted is a botw2 rep. Maybe Zelda if she's unique enough, but maybe the champions descendents or something of the like

[@Delzethin]

Thanks for the compliments! If you really enjoyed the video, don't forget to show it to other people you know who you think would also like it!

[@clauke4014]

@@Delzethin No problem

[@hunterwynn3826]

Akira and Ring Fit Trainer aren't happening. They recently got Spirit Events, if they were going to be playable they would've hold them back. Look at how there was never a Spirit Event for Three Houses.

[@LukePS7013]

Pokémon too

[@AshenDust_]

Luke Spencer just because a starter or legendary won’t get it doesn’t mean there won’t be a pokémon rep, maybe to toxtricity or Grimmsnarl

[@ElizaArtz]

​@@AshenDust_ But if a fighter was planned at all, why not release the SWSH spirits with the fighter? That would make a HELL of a lot more sense.

[@AshenDust_]

Eliza Artz maybe they made the spirits event before they decided on the fighter. Also, all the spirits are from the base game, if they made new spirits they would be from the DLC to promote it

[@MoebiusX9]

@@AshenDust_ The SWSH spirits were added to the game in November, two months after they confirmed more dlc was coming and the characters were chosen, i'm almost certain that means no gen 8 mon or at the very least, a low likelihood of it happening

[@thinginator90]

I really want Geno, but in terms of first parties, I’d love to see Porky from the Mother series!

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

I don't mean to comment so many times, but this video is phenomenal. Well done giving a sensible and fair examination of Smash's DLC future!

[@CalebWillden]

I'd be so down for Bandana Dee. Akira would be pretty sick as well. Sensible predictions and I do appreciate you trying to temper the torch-and-pitchfork crowd, haha.

[@luisdanielgarciaescobar1113]

I'm the only one that actually wants euden from DL in the game?

[@erickmaverick3128]

Nope. :)

[@Alex-jz2hk]

Im here so you are not

[@elemomnialpha]

Nope, I would also love it

[@erickmaverick3128]

@Bring Peter Griffin to Super Smash Bros Exactly.

[@cosmicscrub4038]

I would love to see a Dragalia lost rep although I’m sure if it was euden there would be more backlash.i would personal like elissane with her being a spear wielder instead or maybe Cleo as a semi supportive character fighting style would be really unique take to see.but euden is the more likely option I can’t deny that.

[@johnrico3895]

(applauds) nice speech at the start, very true and well-said

[@couragetheactor]

Yay! My favorite character speculation KZbinr!

[@nixuniverse5240]

I personally think Season 2 will be split between 1st & 3rd parties. 3 1st & 3 3rd. If I were to give my predictions & personal wants following this theory, Predictions Rex (possibly w/ Pyra) Toxitricity Min-Min Crash Sol Badguy Heihachi PERSONALLY WANTS Twintelle Toxitricity Riju Sora Spyro Morrigan Aensland

[@christianshark6678]

NixUniverse I think it’ll alternate between first & third but I agree with the ratio. First party characters are great, but unless you’re from Mario or Pokémon, you’re not gonna convince someone who doesn’t already have the game to buy the pass unless you have some big crossover. Joker got so many people into Smash & Persona.

[@keystone5750]

Respect the Sol pick.

[@MildlyAggressiveOni]

NixUniverse A Guilty Gear or Blazblue character would be really cool!

[@jaspercaro6666]

I really want Toxtricity because his poison combined with lightning could be cool

[@jaspercaro6666]

My list: Spring Man, Steve, Crash, Ms. PAC Man, Waluigi, Toxtricity

[@chriskraft4748]

I think it would be dope to include a character that’s from Smash itself. Ultimate is already a big time celebration of gaming, but it’s never given itself a fair shake. Master Hand comes to mind if they somehow manage to scale him down, but even something like Tabuu would be an awesome callback. It’s super unlikely, but it can’t hurt to hope

[@zainmushtaq4347]

Sorry, not happening. DLC was decided by Nintendo, and they're more business-oriented than Sakurai, so we're probably going to see characters that either serve Nintendo's own IPs well, or 3rd party IPs well. Adding Master Hand would be cool, but that can wait for the next installment of Smash as part of the base roster. :/

[@thepixelman4776]

Yeah I’d hope for Uraya too. That place is just beautiful and something that I don’t think we have a stage like yet. Maybe the Garfont Merc camp since that’s a pretty important spot. And just like the game, maybe other blades and party members could be hanging out in the background.

[@sonicdragon813]

In regards to what was said during the guidelines, Metalblade5 predicted Byleth 24 hours before the reveal. He’s not the only one who predicted him/her, but it’s a example of keeping expectations flexible.

[@erickmaverick3128]

My personal 3rd reps: 2B (NieR Automata) KOS-MOS (Xenosaga) Morrigan (Darkstalkers) Beat (Jet Set Radio) Honorable Mentions: Sora (Kingdom Hearts), Kat (Gravity Rush), Chun-Li (Street Fighter). Glad that you touched on Akira, RFT and Euden. Yeah, the first two are out since they're spirits, Nintendo could still throw Euden in to represent the mobile aspect. If not, he'd be a mii costume or spirit.

[@rdcaldwell7483]

KOS-MOS is a personal favorite of mine, I really want her in! Also, 2B and Morrigan would be pretty sweet

[@MetalZuko]

Morrigan? But Smash is for good boys and girls!

[@liquidsaberz02]

If Beat had a trailer, he’d probably interact with the Inklings.

[@erickmaverick3128]

@@liquidsaberz02 I'd love to see that.

[@Evan-tj6wz]

2B is from a Square Enix game. They already let them use Cloud again, and then they gave us Hero. Good luck with your wish, SE is stingy as hell

[@TalecraftTavern]

"Redemption seeker? Ups and downs in recent years? Heated debates and nostalgia? Oh no... He's gonna talk about Geno." Wait... What? Fun idea I just had, Paper Mario's double jump could be a breeze blowing through the air either left, up, or right. This could have blow him in the chosen direction as well as any fighters nearby due to a windbox

[@terrysyvertson9205]

geno will be the mario rpg rep not paper mario because geno is highly more requested than paper mario and we do not need another version of mario, also geno is owned by square-enix not Nintendo

[@MetalZuko]

@@terrysyvertson9205 Dude, shut up! You don't know anything! Geno is a Spirit.

[@ShiningDestinyKai]

Damn those guidelines at the start hit hard, really well said and articulated! (You can just say Smash fans to FE fans, lmao). Great analysis and speculation as always, really like the idea of Ring Fit Trainee and Euden! Though I could see Euden being more likely to score a Mii Swordfighter costume over being a full new character.

[@victorvcj2]

A whole bunch of great concepts brought up here. I've really come to like your videos, as you always bring up either characters or movesets that I never would of considered. (I never would have thought of Zacian for Smash, but after seeing your moveset idea, I need her in the game RIGHT NOW.) Out of these concepts, I think the ones that stood out to me most are Akira (it wasn't a game I played, so it just completely skipped my mind. They look very interesting, and would give us another unique stance-based character), Euden (while my elite-ist gamer mindset considers it blasphemy to include anyone from a mobile game, I will admit that discriminating based on console of origin is just shooting myself in the foot), and Unrelieved Newcomer (the "deadline" hasn't passed yet, so we must include games/characters that are released, or even announced, yet in our discussions). Great job, and thanks for making the video. In these difficult times it is nice to see some normalcy still coming along. On the topic of 1st party characters, I will add the following notes: -For Pokemon, I would also like a character from a spin-off game. Since we have just received a remake and supposedly will be getting a new entry soon, I would like to one day see a Rescue/Explorer/etc Team from the Mystery Dungeon spinoffs in Smash. The team attacks and item use from those games would allow for a rather unique take on Pokemon in Smash, and would really have that 'wow' factor if that matters to the developers. The main shortcomings would be that 1) all player character teams from those games are user made. Therefore there are no established teams to turn into smash fighters. It would require either designing a generic team or using a team from an anime adaptation. And 2) it would have the Pokemon Trainer problem in that it would be multiple models and movesets as one character, greatly increasing the dev team's work for one fighter. -Paper Mario would be great, though as you said we have the issue of if and how to include the partners. The only way I could see working them in without bogging down the moveset would be to assign a partner to the special moves (i.e., Up-B uses one of the flying partners, Down-B is a Bom-omb parter, etc.) The problem then changes to which characters to use for each, which opens up debate among the fandom on how X partner was shafted. I went a little long, so for 3rd party characters I will just say that I look forward to your video on that!

[@ronnieboss8780]

Wow Delzethin you know me too well with characters i myself predicated

[@dfx5886]

I'd love Adeleine & Ribbon as a Kirby rep...also Maz Koshia for Zelda would be insane and I'd love it

[@PhantomEidolon]

The Origami King! After seeing that there is a new Paper Mario game coming, it seems that something related to it might be more of a possibility! But I think personally that the villain of this new game might make a more interesting fighter than Paper Mario, especially if he incorporates origami into his move set somehow.

[@reeseseater12]

So I do believe the ARMS rep will be a Bowser Jr. type character where each skin is a different character from the game. I also would be surprised if Rex/Pyra didn't make it. But that leaves 4 slots left and tbh idk what Nintendo is thinking with their character selection but am excited about it

[@poombly4352]

I love Ring Fit Adventure and I would love Ring Fit Trainee in Smash! I know they're spirits but I'd still love to see it happen.

[@Neoxon619]

But that's the thing, the spirit event more-or-less killed their chances. Which is a damn shame, as they'd be great to have.

[@PrinnyLordNinjocity]

Euden would be rad! He’d be super different.

[@Alex-jz2hk]

And best He would have a Snowball Mechanic(the more you win the more OP you get) And He could finally bring Shapeshift abilities into the playable roster (Tiki exist lol)

[@ProHipStar]

Would like a character from a game that is not available in my European country. * sarcasm*

[@redead8513]

An other fire emblem character Wait , sorry wrong franchise

[@stylishgaby]

@@Alex-jz2hk so, reverse aura ?

[@Alex-jz2hk]

@@stylishgaby well if you consider transforming into a Dragon reverse aura Yes

[@Vallite_God]

I’m actually really glad you suggested Dragalia Lost in this video, I feel like most people look at it and say, “Oh it’s just a mobile game, there’s no way it could possibly make it into Smash.” I personally feel like Dragalia Lost can contend with console and PC games with how the gameplay feels. As someone who played it since launch day I definitely hold some biased opinions, but hey so does everybody else when it comes to Smash. I do feel like mentioning that even though it’s a gacha game, never have I ever spent real money just to do a 10 summon like how most other gacha games try to promote. I don’t want to ramble on too long but I would like to see Euden’s Final Smash be turning into High Midgardsormr and sending his opponents into a massive tornado, that would be so cool.

[@davidhoran5001]

How would you feel about having a rival for marth like Camus, Michialis or Ghranf?

[@Scionmaster5213]

Look, lemme tell ya something: [deep voice] In the first age, in the first battle...

[@treyamador2641]

Oo

[@treyamador2641]

Oo

[@treyamador2641]

Oooooo

[@treyamador2641]

Ooooooojo

[@phantasm1234]

HARRY FROM TELEROBOXER!! A virtual boy rep AND a Gunpei Yokoi rep, which includes Mr. G&W, ROB, and Duck Hunt!!

[@metamayto]

Since the announcement of XCDE, I've been leaning towards the idea of Melia joining the roster. It sounds weird, but hear me out: she's one of, if not the most popular character from Xenoblade, she's been given the starring role in Future Connected, which is essentially a brand new game, just like Torna. She has a wide variety of options for moves, like summoning ether, Mind Blast, attacking with her staff, stuff like that. And lastly, she's been given a new design completely different from her existing Smash Spirit, making it easy to keep her existing Spirit, and add her new look as the fighter Spirit you get for clearing her Classic Mode route.

[@noone5974]

For the ring fit trainee motion controls could be a really cool gimmick

[@JustJack2005]

Bandana Dee makes too much sense, why has he not joined yet! #JusticeForBandanaDee

[@hogndog2339]

I don’t think sakurai would ever do that

[@JustJack2005]

hog n dog knowing Sakurai, anything could happen

[@hogndog2339]

Jack Starrett I just don’t think it’s likely, Sakurai hardly even acknowledges the new Kirby games

[@JustJack2005]

hog n dog true, I just hope he does, he did with Banjo for us, let’s hope he does the same to this one.

[@eeeeggnog._.]

All I want is another Xenoblade character. That's all I've wanted since Ultimate was announced. Don't even care who or which game they're from. But I would pick Elma

[@BeynT.]

Yeah me 2 but it’s really unlikely we will get someone other than Rex. What’s wrong with Rex anyways?

[@Dzzy123]

Rex is most likely, but I'd prefer Elma, too.

[@DjoingDalton]

One interesting point that I'm not certain I understand how to handle... New DLC characters will also get those seperate spirit boards right? so what'll happen if a character gets in that already has most of their games' characters as spirits? Like, for example, Waddle Dee?

[@MetalZuko]

For starters, Waddle Dee is already a Spirit, so I think a proper example here is ARMS. All I can think of with ARMS is that we get one fighter and the rest of the 9 characters, as well as possibly Biff and Hedlok, become part of the DLC Spirit Board.

[@DjoingDalton]

@@MetalZuko Nah man Arms is easy, that spirit board would just get whatever ARMS characters aren't in yet. I'm talking about: If Waddle Dee were to get in, who would appear on his seperate DLC spirit board? Basically every Kirby character is in the game already!

[@ashboltTV]

I feel that Rex's stage would be better as something like Yggdrasil's Alter, where it flies around the world on a platform. You could be riding on Azurda's back and stopping at some of the titans for character cameos and scenery changes, and maybe some stage hazards.

[@treychambers9781]

If they just took the bandana dee moveset from ssf2 and put him in ultimate I’d be happy.

[@NAFProjects]

Anyone else just waiting for him to say "Porky from MOTHER 2/3"

[@alexsanchez2422]

I think we'll get the Pokemon around fall to tie into the Crown Tundra's rlease (originally had it pegged as round 1 for Isle of Armor but that failed) and a new game character at the end of the pass for 1st party in addition to the ARMS character. Though maybe this situation and its ability to meet with other publishers might supersede the contractual obligations in making 3rd party characters possible and make this a more first party heavy pass.

[@Liggliluff]

The reason why a spirit would disprove a DLC fighter would be because they plannee all 5 DLC fighters (+ Piranha Plant) in advance, and would therefore hold back on that spirit until the character is released as DLC. But as season 2 of the DLC was announced and planned later on, all previous spirits are now available as DLC again. But newer spirits released are most likely not going to be DLC for the same reason.

[@tomnimy_5956]

Characters I'd like: Octoling, there are so many different weapons in splatoon 2 so great moveset potential. Porky, give the mother series more representation, also would be cool to see a new mech character. Scribblenauts kid, idk I ran out of ideas lol

[@eliasstenman3710]

The name of the kid in Scribblenauts is Maxwell.

[@FXL-mx8iz]

Pork boi

[@stefanjelincic4677]

If they add some Mother reps, it should be Ninten.

[@AndroidHarris]

Porky and Scribblenauts sound cool but for me... Phoenix Wright would be cool or a Kirby rep. From Kirby, Dark Matter Swordsman sounds really cool to me now as fighting meta knight with him would be fun though bandana waddle dee, daroach, magolor, and galacta knight are also welcome additions.

[@eliasstenman3710]

Andrew Harris Wait, how is Phoenix Wright a Kirby rep? Or am I missing a joke?

[@HeroponAlexander]

My most wanted character is Amaterasu from Ōkami.

[@rhettmitchell]

Omg yesssss

[@austinevans8842]

Great video just extremely sad Dixie Kong didnt make the list. But I get it unless their is a new DK game coming out this or next year then I dont see her as very likely.

[@MetalZuko]

She's a Spirit anyway.

[@DaeronPixelArt]

I would like to have the old school representative character to be Mach Rider, just from the pure joy it would be to have a character designed to be constantly on a bike, i think he/she has more liberties for moveset than the Excitebike rider, but you could probably put some references to excitebike in Mach somewhere.

[@justin02350]

I just want Sora, Majora, Rayman, any of these and I'll be really happy

[@terrysyvertson9205]

i believe sora and rayman will join the roster but i believe the arms rep will be the only Nintendo owned character joining smash ultimate's roster and i believe that geno and shantae will be joining the roster as well

[@potatistatis6709]

@@terrysyvertson9205 spirits. That's the only real problem. Rayman, Geno and Shantae are spirits. Spirits aside, Rayman is my most wanted. Honestly. But Shantae would make the first indie rep! Excluding the Shovel Knight assist trophy and the costumes. If spirits doesn't matter. Then, Geno should happen. Predicting it. Geno will become a Mii gunner.

[@choodledee5961]

Sora is pretty much half Final Fantasy and half Disney. If sora were to get into smash, I doubt anything Disney would be with him. And we already have cloud in smash. You see why sora would be a pointless addition?

[@MetalZuko]

@@potatistatis6709 This Terry Syvertson never shuts up, and that's another real problem.

[@MetalZuko]

@@terrysyvertson9205 Shut the fuck up! Your guesses are old and stale and nobody likes you! Rayman, Geno, and Shantae are Spirits and you're just guessing the same old shit again and again and again! I hope you get nothing.

[@Bomberfish795]

It's a huge stretch, but Travis Touchdown is still my dream pick lol

[@lamontfrancis170]

it very likely

[@Bomberfish795]

Yea, here's hoping man 🤞

[@SnipingIsFun]

Agreed

[@Hnui03]

Y'know. I wonder what your thoughts about Zeraora are for DLC? It might be a little late and we already have Incineroar for a Gen u rep, but Zeraora could offer a very fun Bait and Punish/Rushdown playstyle similar to Fox, using good frame data, amazing movement attributes, and amazing pressure tools to force opponents to think fast and get hit trying to keep up with that 143 Speed. And maybe have Plasma Fists as a Falcon Punch type move because yes, tha animation ingame leaves him wide open. And a character notable for pressure would get a loooot of shield breaks...

[@AndroidHarris]

My hope is some Kirby rep. Here are my top 5 Kirby reps that are important to the series and return in multiple entries that I would like to see in smash: 1. Dark Matter Swordsman (2 Major appearances, great moveset potential, tons & tons of references, and has a good foundation on pretty much what all evil villains are made of in the lore.) I would love to see dark matter and meta knight duke it out to see which knight is better. 2. Galacta Knight (at least 5-6 major appearences, unique enough to not be an echo as he has a lance, pretty much referenced if not a major role in every game after debut.) Same thing as dark matter except he is known as the strongest knight in the galaxy and uses a lance and shield so would be really cool to see especially if his theme makes it in too. 3. Magolor (at least 1 major appearance but had been a supporting character in pretty much all games since, good potential for moveset... Only issue might be making him less overpowered though he never was super powerful in his basic form so they can definitely work with it. Having his OP form as a final smash.) Perfectly represents an evil villain from the modern Kirby era that for some reason isn't represented in smash. Sakurai must not like modern Kirby games for some reason. Either way magolor is not only a fan favorite but also new enough to be important in smash akin to Isabelle in a way. 4. Bandana Waddle Dee (has been in 10+ games as a major character with actual story progression and even character depth. The right hand man to king dedede and uses a spear which can be fun moveset wise. You can even throw in the parasol for variety.) Most requested mostly because he's the 4th main character to king dedede, meta knight, and Kirby and also he isn't a villain. It's actually weird for a Kirby fan to play smash without him. He's kinda of a staple now and not just a pirahna plant or toad. I'm surprised pirahna plant even got a spot before him since he debut as a main character in the same game as magolor in 2012 and only has grown year by year. 5. Daroach (has been in 3 games. Villain in 1, Playable in 1, and assist in 1. Can have a really interesting moveset being a thief and all. The only other thief would be joker and I think daroach fighting joker would be cool as there isn't many thieves in smash.) This is my personal pick and isn't necessarily a huge fan favorite like the other 3 or 4 (idk if people like dark matter that much but I choose him because he has best moveset potential.) That is what I want to see of a Kirby rep was added although I do think all 5 of these characters should be added. Idk maybe they will introduce a Kirby only fighters pass where they will add a ton of stuff Kirby related do to how much Kirby actually gets shafted in the last 2 smash games over the last 10+ years. That would be cool but even just one would be great especially if it's something modern Kirby related as nothing from any games past 2008 (if you count the galacta knight recolor of meta knight) has been represented. Even the stages amount to only getting as far as the SNES super star even the boss they choose in world of light was from super star. They could do so many stages like another dimension from 2012 return to dreamland, some 2016 planet robobot stage, or even the beanstalk from triple deluxe in 2013. Or even Star allies, Mass Attack, Amazing Mirror, Squeak Squad, or Canvas Curse stages would be super awesome to see. Let alone music they are missing a lot of tracks I'm surprised aren't in smash like galacta knight theme, mind in a program, song of supplication, masked dedede, and more. They only got 1 song from star allies and even less from some other titles. All I'm saying is there is a lot to work with in the Kirby series yet it feels like less than a second thought so if any Kirby character gets added that would be great. Edit: Dang this comment was long and I doubt anyone will read the whole thing. Oh well at least I put my hopes out there even if no one will see it or care. If you do read the whole article I made than your an absolute legend and tell me what you think about my character choices.

[@Inkyink]

Curious to see if there's any other people wanting Vaati from Zelda in Smash?

[@AndroidHarris]

Vaati would be cool though he would be an obscure pick. Though tbh I think he has better moveset potential than skull kid and would probably be way more fun. I think there should be more villains in smash. Adding some Kirby villains wouldn't hurt either like magolor, dark matter, galacta knight, or the OG nightmare. Also porky from earthbound and waluigi should be in the game.

[@MetalZuko]

Vaati is a Spirit, though.

[@Dzzy123]

I'd like Vaati as well, but he hasn't been relevant in so long. He wasn't even in Hyrule Warriors. I'm not sure, but I wonder if Capcom partially owns Vaati since they developed the Four Swords games.

[@Tri-otus]

The way people reacted to byleth was stupid. besides the fact that people were attacking sakurai, everyone likes and uses fire emblem characters anyway so there was no reason for people to be mad

[@SnipingIsFun]

Agreed

[@jezuz1017]

Agree. 3houses >>>>Arms

[@jaredkhan8743]

May not be surprising considering my profile pic but byleth and Rex were my most wanted characters lmao

[@dispatch4144]

The gyms could be a stage that switch the types during the battle like the kalos league stage and the newer Pokémon show up in the background and some interrupt it too.

[@danie8944]

Is that fire emblem battle music at the beginning lol he's one of us

[@waheedabdullah6371]

I hope you'll put any of these guys from 3rd party games: Untitled Goose Game- Goose Spyro Tomb Raider- Lara Croft Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice- Sekiro Control- Jesse Faden Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night- Miriam Yooka-Laylee: Yooka & Laylee Streets of Rage- Axel Stone Persona 5 Royal- Sumire

[@Lilly-Gorney]

i hope this pass has more first parties, though all the first parties i most want besides bandana dee are practical nobodies so i guess i shouldn't get my hopes up.

[@ecexplosion265]

Don't lose hope either. You never know.

[@awesometylerpossum]

Dixie, Bandana Dee, and Euden are my favs from this video, but I also think it would be cool to see weird characters like Chibi Robo, Slippy Toad, or even Paper boy! Imagine a projectile heavy character speeding around on a bike with a very poor jump/recovery. Rayman is the only third party character that I would go crazy for

[@MetalZuko]

Rayman, Dixie, Bandana Waddle Dee, Chibi Robot, and Slippy are Spirits.

[@davidmunro3209]

Omg, I never thought of that, IF (and it's a big if), if we do get an arms character who is a spirit, astral chain would be in the running. I was hoping we would just get helix and have the spirits still deconfirmed but I would LOVE an astral chain rep

[@WardofSquid]

*You're too even-handed and smart for the Smash Community* ! 😅

[@DrAnimePhD]

There's one first party character you forgot about, someone who's been getting a lot of buzz lately: MY BOY WONDER RED! Before you say anything, despite the fact the remaster is getting a PS4 and PC port, Wonderful 101 is still a Nintendo owned first party IP. While Platinum did create it's concept and made the game, Nintendo owns the rights to it. Nintendo let them port it to PS4 and PC if they got the funding for it, which of course they did and more. Plus you included Astral Chain, so it counts. Wonder Red has been highly requested since Smash 4. He's a superhero and we don't have any superhero characters outside of Captain Falcon somewhat, and he has the ability to use multiple different fighting styles by using the Unite Morph of the Wonderful Ones to make giant fists, swords, guns, whips, and more. He would be a really crazy character and his stage would be the Blossom City School Bus from the prologue. He would be so incredibly hype, bring so much new stuff to the table, AND DON'T FORGET THE ABSOLUTE AMAZING OST HE WOULD BRING!

[@thepsyshyster8243]

Wonder Red Gang rise up!

[@DrAnimePhD]

@@thepsyshyster8243 Don't you mean...Wonder Red Gang, UNIIIIIIIIIIITE UP!

[@philippecoppieters4742]

Spaceboi Scapahandre What even is that series? lmao

[@MetalZuko]

Eh, Wonder Red is a Spirit.

[@fictionfan0]

Eh, keep in mind, Wonder Red's only real ability is the Unite Hand technique, with the other Unites being used exclusively by the other relevant Wonderful Ones. I question how a moveset featuring just the leader would even work.

[@f.prince6642]

I love your paper Mario. I want to see chrono. Or maybe even a Member from the mana series who has made a surprising traction on the switch. I would love to see more square IP that don’t get enough love! Bruh Beatrix from FF 9 sure more swords but that magic doe

[@Lexicon865]

Only bets for a potential 1st Party, imo are: -SwSh rep (Urshifu or Rillaboom please) -Xenoblade rep (Lora & Haze) -Dragalia Lost rep (Euden) The rest I doubt, though future titles like BOTW2 and Prime 4 having potential candidates are somewhat plausible

[@keystone5750]

Cool video, I’m just going to run down what I think of each pick. Spoilers, there will be opinions. Yeah a Pokémon’s almost guaranteed. I think Rillaboom could be a sick rhythm based fighter, and Cinderace could have really cool ball based mechanics. Akira and Ring Fit would be cool but I think they’re not likely due to being DLC spirits. Akira would be extremely cool if you could control the legion and Akira separately, like the cool puppet characters. (Carl, Zato/Eddie) Euden doesn’t really bother me, but Cygames does. I remember them saying they could make a lot more money if Nintendo wasn’t publishing the game. Typical mobile devs. Bandana Dee would be cool, but I’d prefer other Kirby characters like Marx or Magolor. Bandana Dee is the most popular though. Rex and Pyra would be nice, but I probably wouldn’t play them. Same with Paper Mario. But that’s just how I feel. As for my most wanted first party, honestly, I’d go with Fawful from the Mario RPGs. Yeah I’m biased towards my childhood. But I think it’d be cool. And we’d get more Mario and Luigi music in smash.

[@ffiiggyy]

Popple Battle theme. We need it.

[@MetalZuko]

@@ffiiggyy We don't "need" anything.

[@ffiiggyy]

@@MetalZuko Well, we "need" food and water.

[@MetalZuko]

@@ffiiggyy Wise guy.

[@ffiiggyy]

@@MetalZuko You are wise yourself.

[@PrinnyLordNinjocity]

I...I just want Travis dood... T_T

[@cosmicscrub4038]

One idea I have if the off chance we get a gen 8 Pokémon is that we get urshifu. you brought up that there Pokémon types are different one being water/fighting and the other being dark/fighting but I think that gives them perfect moveset potential.imagine urshifu is a semi stance switching character but there model doesn’t need a drastic change like sheik and Zelda it could be more clean of a stance change too. i can imagine sakurai pulling this idea off perfectly imagine your in rapid strike style and are pulling off a combo but you have the best kill power in single strike style,so you stance switch mid combo and finish the string off. the normals could stay the same maybe single strike being stronger with more end lag and rapid strike with less end lag and better kill power

[@gobblenachname3880]

I would love to see a Grovyle based on its appaerance in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky/ Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon. A Moveset based on the moves he uses in the second Mystery Dungeon games and items that appaer in the series (Most likely Seeds, Orbs and Twigs) would be amazing. He could be somewhat of a resource management kinda character, similar to Hero, but with less random and more strategy involved in playing him. Maybe shiny Celebi could appaer in his taunts and Stage Entrance animation. The Stage could either be Temporal Tower or the Wigglytuff Guild.

[@sousou6251]

I really really want: Jibanyan Minecraft Steve Any Skylander Waluigi Dixie and Funky Kong Tails, Amy, Blaze, Shadow, Knuckles, Silver, Rayman Toad Bandana Dee Any Pokemon

[@zombiem3mes441]

You got steve

[@seabass64]

Knuckles, shadow and waluigi are assists

[@owlflame]

This starts with an entire lecture, tho...

[@duragdee2760]

It's to be expected at this point. Smash fans are super volatile.

[@nautilume7114]

Which this community needs to hear.

[@redlemon3628]

I think it would be fun if the gacha mechanic could be implemented into Euden’s move set. For example everytime you use down b Euden will summon a random hero to help him fight only for a short amount of time. Think of it as heroes down b but with pokeballs and assist trophies.

[@treybrzezowski3259]

When you get to Guest characters, could you talk about Ratchet & Clank? I feel like the Duo have a lot to bring to Smash... mainly guns, loooooooooooooots of guns in many different styles and effects.

[@arios6443]

“Galar Pokemon Trainer would be a lot of work for one DLC slot.” (3 forms) “Akira!” (5 forms)

[@alleycatgaming5433]

How my thoughts on new blood changed Corrin Reveal: What...why is there another fire emblem character? Fire Emblem Heroes/I get an updated phone: Sure, I’ll try it out and see what the hype is... Byleth Reveals: Oh sweet, the three houses protagonist, no one will ever be disappointed with this. The internet: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Me: ...I’m disappointed but not surprised...

[@philippecoppieters4742]

alleycat gaming it’s not really Byleth’s fault. Lucina and Chrom shouldn’t be in. They don’t add anything to the game.

[@prismking3282]

@@philippecoppieters4742 Lucina and Chrom rep Fire Emblem's revivification. Without them, FE would have been tossed to the side. While they don't change gameplay options much, Sakurai saw that they were important and added them.

[@theillusionist1494]

Philippe Coppieters ...They add Lucina and Chrom. Like, with the exception of Ryu and Ken pretending not to be semi-clones, Lucina and Chrom are the most effective use of the echo fighter concept in the game with their uniform damage output and Chrom’s unique special move. Plus, they’re both fan-favorite characters? What, do you also want Richter or Daisy to just not be in the game?

[@redead8513]

Worst comment ever seen

[@philippecoppieters4742]

The Illusionist Ok cool. But what about other series? What about the Legend Of Zelda? They are still waiting to get a (real) new character since melee. What about Kirby? Or maybe DK? Dixie Kong would make more sense than another sword wielding emo kid. (Being salty here)

[@r.ignaciomeneses2935]

Months ago, just a few weeks after Byleth was avaliable a friend was comenting that in his opinion the aparience of the 5th character was probably switcheable between bylet and the astral chain protagonist. Meaning that the mechanicss were created to suit both and whoever (game) made better sales before the anouncement will be the final character and that's why byleth presentation was kinda rushed. At first I had my doubts about that, but playing it, and later when the spirits of astral chain were launched (specially the one with the huge bow), I had to admit that his idea has a lot of sense

[@danielhicks1834]

I heard “can finally fit in with the rest of his party” and my brain went Waluigi!!!!!