Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness - Review

[@geekgirl616]

I love the fact that Wanda looks directly into camera as if she can see us watching and is like yeah I’m about to do this and you can’t stop me. Implying that she’s powerful enough at this point that she can look across the multiverse and see the one we the audience are in and are watching her from.

[@reeferman42078]

I was really stoned when I watched it but that's exactly how I felt and was thinking the same exact thing haha

[@UnavailableYoutubeChannel]

Scarlet Witch is a multiversal being. She’s destined to either rule the cosmos or destroy it. Which honestly sounds amazing.

[@oneclevername]

It sent a chill down my spine!

[@ricardocorrea6832]

I had a Watcher moment there and was scared of her for a second.

[@ahmadfaeri4673]

and at that moment, the horror came through the cinema screen

[@Tryhardblackguy]

I loved it, people complained about Wanda killing all of the Illuminati but I think this was a commentary of the "capeshit" part of superhero movies. You could see they all made heroic poses, took Wanda for granted, expected her to listen. instead she basically just Omni Man'd all of them. I love that, no one expected that to happen.

[@liamross340]

also like that was a separate universe’s illuminati dr strange may take the idea and form his own in the mcu.

[@philcorrigan5641]

I think the movie definitely wanted us to see the Illuminati of that world as a bunch of arrogant dicks, who deserved what was, coming to them (with the possible exception of Charles). Everyone whining about how they ‘wasted’ Reed Richards and Black Bolt, etc need to realise that these were always meant to be disposable carbon copies, whose main purpose was to be brutally and easily killed by Wanda. The Reed, Charles and Black Bolt (if he gets brought into the main MCU) of Earth-616 will clearly be far harder to kill, as they will have some of the finest plot armour known to man…

[@evilsocksss]

Yes! It totally made me think of Omni Man!

[@Tryhardblackguy]

@@liamross340 exactly, so people are going to forget how the main movie universe Loki died and we are watching another one from a different universe.

[@johnnywatches1734]

I loved seeing her mop the floor with the Illuminati. They had it coming because they were so convinced that no one could be more dangerous than Strange they shrugged her threat off. Then they paid the price

[@loonuhtunes5455]

I never really thought of the vengeance Wanda bottled up for Strange.. the moment she mentioned how Stephen just gave up the stone even after he swore to protect it but she had to sacrifice the love of her life to not let Thanos had the stone...just for Thanos used time stone given by Strange to get the mind stone again. Basically in her perspective, she killed vision for nothing. But ofc Strange had to give it bc it's the only way.

[@GeneralWAITE]

Just the notion of our dreams being memories of other versions of ourselves makes me love this movie. Also Demon Cape Defender Strange was super badass!!

[@stellarhyme3]

Science has proven that to be true. When we dream we are visiting other realities, looking at other versions of us. Lately, I’ve been like American Chavez, I don’t dream. When I did dream more often, I knew what I was viewing, I knew it was other versions of me living in other realities where I made different decisions.

[@mitsukitai2713]

@@stellarhyme3 In all sincerity, that sounds nice... but science still doesn't even know why we sleep and even less about why we dream

[@GeneralWAITE]

@@stellarhyme3 maybe science proved it in your dimension but mine is way more boring.

[@fusionaddict]

@@stellarhyme3 Science hasn’t “proven” anything of the sort. Put down the pipe and back away.

[@reeferman42078]

I've been having a series of recurring dreams my entire life. I'm 44 now. Literally since I was like four I've been having these dreams. So this concept in this movie kind of freaked me out because I've always felt those dreams were something a little more... and while it's been awhile since I've had the dreams oh, it's like this movie open those Gates back up for me...

[@rcbuckets]

My SPOILER take: It wasn't my favorite Marvel addition but I can't resist a fabulously overpowered villainess. She was giving OG Maleficent vibes. Elizabeth gave me everything I needed. The ending fell a little flat. I wanted more of the other Wanda and family so that when they finally met again, it was clear why other Wanda was able to make her see who she had become. Her assaults on Kamar Taj and the Illuminati were epic. I did like that no one actually beat her. She just gave up.

[@Jumpoable]

Totes concur.

[@jesse1086]

@@Jumpoable totes malotes

[@adriannabarber3456]

OMG THANK YOU i thought i was the only one, it totally gave off maleficent vibes and i love it

[@rcbuckets]

@@adriannabarber3456 I mean she pretty much said, "now shall you deal with me!"

[@benjaminsnider8485]

We know why other Wanda was able to convince her. She understands where she came from.

[@donnatemple1999]

Another aspect I loved was that Doctor Stranger saw how lost he was in every other universe. That inspired him to move forward, take bow. Also not being the sorcerer supreme has kept him grounded better than the other versions. While Wanda saw a happy mom version of herself. She realized while saying 'I am not a monster' she was constantly being one, that helped her come back to her sense and break free of Dark hold.

[@ssm2879]

The minotaur is Rintrah, from the comic books. He was an apprentice of Dr. Strange from another realm. He's one of the really good guys.

[@dayanna901]

I'm glad Adam gets me. I absolutelly freaked out when Captain Carter showed up. She was everything and we NEED more of live-action Captain Hayley Atwell

[@ube1kenobi]

yes!!! live action captain carter is everything. i want it too

[@alechardine5014]

I heard that they have a plan for live action Captain Carter.

[@dayanna901]

@@alechardine5014 fingers crossed for it to be true!!!!

[@fnur6660]

I agree

[@turbostriker2673]

I want a rated R extended cut of this, it legitimately could be insane to see.

[@MainRapperACEsahi]

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[@tpl2401]

Imagine the illuminati scenes with an R rating

[@turbostriker2673]

@@tpl2401 yes please

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

@@tpl2401 it would add blood to Carter’s death but that’s kinda it.

[@lucasfranke5161]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Black Bolt's head would probably pop more violently too

[@TK_Brainslug]

I loved it that Marvel finally committed to the "everything is connected" stuff

[@curtistinsley1039]

Sad part was this movie connected to really nothing and also changed nothing. Bit Disappointing

[@VeniVidiVici..]

@@curtistinsley1039 I give this movie an 8.5

[@curtistinsley1039]

@@VeniVidiVici.. respect. I think I’m around 6.5 personally

[@tommyn3522]

@@VeniVidiVici.. 7.7 for me

[@geekgirl616]

@@curtistinsley1039 it changed a lot what are you talking about? Wanda is dead, Strange is out fighting incursions, mutants have officially been introduced to the MCU (or MCM marvel cinematic multiverse), America Chavez is in earth 616 learning sorcery, and Strange has been permanently altered by the darkhold.

[@FrancisAnthony96]

It's fascinating how people didn't see the connection between the ending of WandaVision and where Wanda started at the beginning of the movie. I've read a lot of people point that out on Twitter. I thought it made a lot of sense just from Wanda having the Darkhold and still grieving through what happened

[@missgreendayfan]

Totally!

[@thedefinitionisthis]

Yeah It totally made sense that she went down a villainous path for this film. The ending of WandaVision wasn't subtle about that at all haha.

[@liamross340]

the darkhold also corrupts people and at the end she’s broken out of it and prevents it from corrupting anyone else ever again

[@Rated314]

I think that was my bigger problem... firstly, this isn't really a Dr. Strange movie, it was a Scarlet Witch movie. Then, when you look at it as a Scarlet Witch movie, Wanda's story arc was the same... the SAME EXACT story arc from s01 of Wandavision. Wanda loses someone that she loves. She's grief stricken and wants then back. Breaks the world to get them back. Realizes that because she didn't process her grief, she became the villain. Beat for beat. Had they made this a Scarlet Witch movie, it could have freed them up a bit... and Multiverse of Madness could have been a fantastic episodic series.

[@Grandtheatrix]

@@Rated314 Yes. It's like the redemption arc they set up in WandaVision never happened, and we just start right back at 0. This was Daenerys Targaryen all over again. We are all on board with her snapping and going nuts, but we want to See that character journey into madness, not to jump straight to MurderDeathTime.

[@entreehumain921]

When you get sam raimi directing a witch that's been cooped up in a cottage in the woods reading a forbidden book of demonic power, there's only one way that goes. Great to see Marvel let him do a Raimi horror style movie.

[@grimmwerks]

‘Come down to my fruit cellar….!’

[@infallibleblue]

Facts

[@markfeygin8562]

your point about 616 Strange keepig his shit together exactly because he is NOT the sorcerer supreme is fantastic, i had not thought of that

[@mrsirtoyou1974]

My takeaway after watching it, is that this movie was the actual finale/compressed, high-budget season 2 of WandaVision, featuring Dr. Strange. The only reason I would see a disconnect between the end of WandaVision and the start of this movie is that WandaVision failed to plant the seed that the Darkhold corrupts the reader, however, I feel like the movie made that abundantly clear (as did the Agents of SHIELD season that features the Darkhold). In my opinion, America Chavez is not developed nearly enough to be anything more than a Human McGuffin, even though the plot heavily depends on the audience caring about her as a character. The only development we do get comes across to me as a teaser/setup for her to appear in another MCU production. Similarly, Dr. Strange pretty much only has the "Are you happy?" subplot which is... never resolved? Unless I missed something, he just admits that he isn't happy and that saving the world didn't make him happy, but he doesn't change his relationship with 616-Christine, he doesn't change his role among sorcerers, and he doesn't change or grow as a character. He just inexplicably gets that 3rd eye from the Other, Other, Other Strange. I think this movie should have been "Wanda in the Multiverse of Madness", and it should have featured her gradual corruption by the Darkhold instead of cutting from the moment she started reading it at the end of WandaVision to her already corrupted state at the start of this movie. Dr. Strange trying to protect America Chavez would still have made for a decent "antagonist" (especially since his final form when fighting her was him dream walking into his own corpse, which can so easily be portrayed as villainy), but it would feel less like Strange and Chavez weren't developed if the film didn't try to make them the protagonists. I have to give the movie props for bringing up a discussion that I felt was sorely lacking from No Way Home, which is how Strange is always on the very edge of what is considered "doing the right thing". I would've liked to see that have a more lasting impact on Strange, especially since he used extremely forbidden magic AGAIN to fight against Wanda.

[@ISavant]

"what if" made it clear that steven and christine never being together is a nexus point across all time and all universes, so him fawning over her was just something i gave absolutely no shits about.

[@caperion]

I agree. That whole “are you happy?” Thread should have been cut from the movie entirely. I didn’t see the point of the question to Strange. They kept the thread through the entire movie and it never got resolved in the end.

[@allisonlane5999]

I saw the "are you happy?" plot as being completely resolved -- Strange admits to Illuminativerse Christine that he loves her but was never able to really show it because he was scared, and she encourages him to face his fears, i.e. don't close himself off from other people and always go it alone (always be the one holding the scalpel, so to speak). And you can see he's taken that advice to heart in his final conversation with Wong, after Wong says he's grateful for his life even with all its tribulations, and Strange replies that at least they have each other to get through those tribulations together. First movie!Strange and/or Strange at the beginning of MoM wouldn't have said that.

[@angelus816]

Charlize Theron was credited in the credits as Clea. Clea is a character in the comics with a long history tied to Doctor Strange. Most importantly is what looked like the Dark Dimension through her tear in reality. In comics lore, her father was a former ruler of the Dark Dimension and her mother was Dormammu's sister...

[@srinidhirao]

Adam, I completely agree. There was a plot, there were amazing visual and progresses MCU's timeline. But I came out like... what did I just watch and not in a star struck way. More like in a ... if I had to describe it I wouldn't know how to tell you.

[@tynameowth]

agreed, i enjoyed it but it was very strange as i did not have what to talk about after the movie much, this doesn't happen to me :D like either i talk about how much i love it or hate it but this was like i just had a dream which is fitting for the movie :D

[@TheSirUno]

Hey, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I kinda like it like that sometimes - not all wrapped up neatly with a bow.

[@gabrields7962]

I can say that the film has a weak script, BUT, the direction did its job and did it well (with some mistakes like starting already in chaos and also putting a battle of songs in a "heavy" film like this). What that left an entertaining and "watchable" movie. "Why do I have this conflict of opinion in the movie"? Usually this happens when you end up not liking some technical detail. Which in this case may be the inconsistency of Wanda's character with previous films/series, the downgrade they gave to Doctor Strange, or even the lack of more "smart" solutions and endings. It's just a guess.

[@ube1kenobi]

This is exactly how I felt about it. I honestly feel like something is missing.

[@helzapoppin9810]

Hayley Atwell was absolutely EPIC. She looked and performed AMAZING. We HAVE to see her again. OH! And we got Clea (Charlize) at the end. That will be interesting. Clea was a disciple/love interest in the early comics.

[@liamross340]

my main theory for what’s next regarding at least the mystic arts portion of the mcu is that wanda’s destruction of the darkhold in every timeline and her multiversal evil has had some real effects on the fabric of magic itself. she broke her own destiny. i don’t believe she’s really dead but i think she’ll be gone for a little while as Lizzie has said she needs a little break but does want to come back i assume she’ll be revealed as alive in another movie and then get some kind of solo project. and this could tackle the 2015 scarlet witch solo series last days of magic story where she has to travel the world in search for answers and how to fix the fabric of magic all while learning a lot about her own family and past. and basically i think that’s a good way of her atoning for her actions possibly sacrificing some of her power to fix magic so she’s not undefeatable and the family ties thing could possibly retcon her dad as magneto. this is an incredibly ambitious theory i do understand that i’m prepared for the possibility that literally none of this will happen but it’s a direction i think would be cool for them to go in.

[@davis.fourohfour]

That was Clea, Strange's apprentice, daughter of Dormammu, and Stephen's lover.

[@blugobln85]

I felt it was actually a great Dr. Strange film. It had a nice arc for him, it had a great villain and he was instrumental in defeating her, but he did the thing that he's meant to do - he didn't do it himself, he stepped into the role of mentor and leader more than he has before. I thought it was great. Also this movie had what felt like endless story moments, just awesome stuff that happened. Hard not to be pleased with all of that. :D

[@legionkahn]

I was wondering how they would handle Doc not having the Time Stone anymore, and I think all the new creative ways he had to use his magic more than made up for losing the stone. It was almost like the stone was holding him back because it was just such an easy out so he never had to really think creativly.

[@teemusid]

If all those characters hadn't been telling Strange what their Strange had done, and how he caused more troubles than he stopped, he wouldn't have let "someone else hold the scalpel' in the end, and make the right decision.

[@eliasjefferson3201]

In the animated universe where America and Strange pass through, it’s the XMen universe 97. And it shows in the end with the music that it said “X-men 97” theme song

[@TheDilCam]

Honestly spent the whole movie wondering how the hell are they going to stop this full blown powerful version of Wanda. I somewhat expected an epic magic battle between her and Strange towards the end but the way they stopped her by exposing the Scarlett Witch to her kids and hurting their mother was equally as satisfying! What an absolutely insane movie. 🔮

[@writershard5065]

Yup. She really, truly was OP and I loved that.

[@richardthecowardlylion5289]

I actually really agree, my initial instinctive response when I left the theater was a mild but definitive disappointment, like as a movie something was missing. But the ride home I thought about the movie more as just a part of the greater whole of Marvel Phase 4, the more I loved it. I was very happy with where all the story arcs went and were resolved. Especially Wanda/SW. I loved how they made her eyes really shadowed like she was physically being possessed by the Darkhold, and you could see that Wanda was gone, this was Darkhold possessing the Scarlett Witch using the trauma and memories in Wanda as the steering wheel. And seeing her genuinely unstoppable, except by herself (and the look in her children's eyes at what she had let herself become). Ugh, perfect.

[@filipjecz]

So... I'll just say this. If we're put this movie right next to the previous one and put the whole Avengers story and Wandavision somewhere in the background - it really feels like there is at least 4-6 hours of story missing between those movies. If 1st Dr Strange is the "first" chapter of a book, 2nd movie feels like chapter 10 or 11.

[@JohnPMcCoy]

I enjoyed MoM but I do agree with Adam’s point of this not quite feeling like a movie. For me, it actually was perhaps the first MCU film that felt more like a cinematic comic book rather than what they built up in previous films. It also feels more like a setup film than what most expected. I think allowing more time to let MoM breathe a bit would have helped. Literally from the first 10 seconds till the ending it’s non-stop action and tension. Interestingly, Raimi said his first cut was much longer (by about 35 minutes). I wonder how much of that could have changed the pacing.

[@MJMcornelius]

The creativity in this film is so refreshing. It balanced fan service with plot points that move the story forward. I'm my mind, Wanda being the one to talk to the Scarlet Witch is the best only way this could have ended. Having anybody else telling her what she was doing was ethically wrong never would have had the same impact.

[@manny_e3671]

Multiverse of madness was just a live-action episode of “What If?”.

[@bcdey84]

I gave it a 7.5 out of 10. I think overall it was good but I don’t feel like it flowed very well. I honestly didn’t expect Wanda to be the villain but she was amazing. I think they gave us just enough America Chavez where it wasn’t too much. My favorite shot in this movie is when it shows Wanda and Scarlett Witch on the ground reaching up to her kids, and switching between both of them in total silence. I don’t know why but that scene really stuck with me. Spoilers - - - - - - - - - - - The Illuminati fight was awesome. The Reed Richards reveal got spoiled for me the night before, and it took me a minute to realize Anson Mount was back as Black Bolt!! I liked their alternate defeat of Thanos. I also love everything about Peggy Carter/Captain Britain so I’m so glad she got to be in this. I will say my favorite thing was the Zombie Strange. That was just so perfectly creepy. I love how it tied back around to the first Strange we see.

[@CorynSilver]

We saw one last flash of red as the temple was colapsing at the end, which to me read as Wanda blasting her was out before she died.

[@Lupin788]

In the comics, the third eye is a manifestation of the Eye of Agamotto. Not sure if the MCU is going that route or if they're implying the third eye appears as a result of Doctor Strange using the Darkhold.

[@Bagaps_]

yeah its a consequence of using the darkhold

[@joshgardner112]

They’re implying the latter

[@unclehollywoodshouseofther995]

The moment Christine said she works for the Baxter Foundation I knew we were getting Reed

[@joshpartridge760]

It's most definitely a self contained movie with a plot a beginning middle end a conflict to solve and character arcs And also an MCU continuation, but every MCU movie has had prerequisite viewings so

[@markpayne8004]

I completely agree. Worked just fine even having not seen WandaVision.

[@jasonnn2284]

The part where Strange is like, "they don't have to be ALIVE" I was like OHHHHHH SHIT!

[@LuxLoser]

My main take away: I genuinely think the future of the MCU might be in television. This would have worked better as a mini-series on Disney+ as a matter of pacing, and so we could have explored some stuff for longer. The best format might honestly be Disney+ Shows as the individual hero stories, and movies for the big crossover “Event” stories. Stuff like your Civil Wars, Flashpoint, Crisis on Infinite Earths, Secret Wars, those things are the big screen, while the shows will let us really get each hero. SPOILERS: Why is anyone complaining about the Illuminati dying? It’s the multiverse! We can find another one, and those characters aren’t dead in the actual 616 dimension (many don’t exist there anyways). Like… who cares? Call me Owlman, but in the end we can just get Illuminati from Earth-555 or whatever. Ultimately I summed it up as this: the pacing in this movie is absolute DOGSHIT. *But* it’s such a FUN movie, that I don’t care. I was more than willing to accept the bad pacing in order to get more of that good stuff within one film.

[@snarklyboojum]

There was a pause in the Illuminati fight right after she took out Peggy where Wanda looks a little... unsure? Kind of like she took a breath and thought: "I just killed a Captain America. What kind of person DOES that?" Which helps form the cracks in her resolve at then end.

[@corbanwoosley6891]

White Vision is not "still the ship." The answer to the riddle was that neither of them are the original ship of Theseus. White Vision has all of the original Vision's memories, but none of his experiences. Or connection to those memories. He is a new person

[@joshgardner112]

White Vision doesn’t have the Mind Stone, so while he now has Vision’s memories, he has no emotion, he’s just a robot (sorry, vibranium synthezoid lol) - he’s not capable of feeling, he just has Vision’s memory bank data, so he remembers everything that happened to him - he just has no feeling about what happened.

[@HenningSchneidr]

"so with this one, they don't take prisoners" ... is what I said to my friend halfway in :-D

[@mathertrackstar]

The musical note throwdown was so creative!!!

[@grelch]

Pizza balls were, and probably still are a thing for late night food in Chicago, except that the cheese, sauce and toppings are on the inside, crust on the outside. Best buzz food ever.

[@misterderp4566]

I look at this Wanda as almost like someone who's drunk (in this case, she is on power and grief) but doesn't care, orders two more at last call and then decides to drive home. I think there's still a part of her in there that comes up at the end that's the same as the person stumbling towards their car, but they're so drunk and not thinking straight, that the consequences stop mattering. The rational and empathetic brain shuts off and they do something destructive because that's what THEY want RIGHT NOW and FUCK OFF if you try to tell them otherwise.

[@scrub456]

Maybe someone already pointed this out... but when Doctor Strange and America were crashing through the different universes, it looked a lot like when The Watcher and Ultron were crashing through universes in "What If..."

[@Andjelka99]

My friend didn't watch WandaVision and she had no problem following, she can emotionally connect to some level to Wanda's character (maybe because story has kids in it and most people are more sensitive to kids)

[@JDdiGriz]

About Charlize Theron, She's playing Clea, Dr Stranges apprentice/romantic interest in the comic books. She is also Dormammu's rebellious niece. I don't know what her character will be like in the MCU. I hope that info helped clear things up.

[@chloebaker4445]

i think what could’ve helped with the pacing would have been if they showed more of wandas corruption happening slowly. like we see her start making some bad choices, before she goes full batshit towards the end. obviously it’s a 2hr movie so they don’t have the time to do that but it could’ve helped. she goes 0-100 super fast imo.

[@valeequintana6526]

I totally understand your point, like, I felt the same way, however, this movie probably takes place almost a year after Wandavision, meaning the Darkhold has been corrupting her for a long time which would somehow explain the 0 to 100 switch from her and how we saw her last, I think it would made less sense if we saw that corruption happening slowly for the sake of the movie

[@ISavant]

This was one of my chief complaints. Last time we saw her she was distraught at having hurt so many people, now we meet her again, and in less than a couple minutes the mask drops and she's all "I'm going to kill everyone and everything across all universes if you get in my way" We completely skip all of the character development that obviously has happened since the end of Wandavision, and missing it makes the film weaker.

[@lovinlorne]

But not if you watched WandaVision. At least in my opinion. She was sailing down that path the minute she started fiddling with the Darkhold at the end.

[@ISavant]

@@lovinlorne yes, the entire ONE MINUTE. Having no A-B-C and going straight A-C was detrimental to the movie.

[@stellarhyme3]

I think we saw Wanda’s corruption slowly take place in Wanda Vision. I mean, Agatha literally brought the Darkhold to Wanda & I sure it was the Darkhold that used Wanda depression & grief to gain a foothold into our Wanda. Think about it, Wanda pretty much acted exactly the same in Wanda Vision. She was willing to sacrifice the free will of a whole town to sustain her happiness. Wanda was manipulated into being the Villain in WandaVision by the Darkhold,

[@logodrumline14]

the lady in the mid-credit scene is Clea, who is the niece of Dormamu (who we also see in that scene when she opens the portal). She ends up becoming Dr Strange's wife eventually

[@thedefinitionisthis]

The guys' thoughts on the movie essentially cementing what's in store for the next possible phase/on-going storyline..... Yeah I can kinda see that. "Multiverse of Madness" is the "Age of Ultron", so to speak, of this next phase.

[@johnelmartagbago3764]

And it's funny how both AoU and MoM were composed by Danny Elfman.

[@thedefinitionisthis]

@@johnelmartagbago3764 Haha yeah that's true! Elfman did a good job scoring "Age of Ultron", but I definitely was glad that they brought back Alan Silvestri for "Infinity War" and "Endgame".

[@johnelmartagbago3764]

@@thedefinitionisthis i know this is an unpopular opinion but I prefer Elfman's rendition of the score more than the original. Dont get me wrong,the original still gives me that excitement and awe, but I love the addition elfman brought.

[@thedefinitionisthis]

@@johnelmartagbago3764 Agree to disagree! I definitely will NEVER say Elfman's score was bad. His theme for the end credits of "Age of Ultron" is easily one of my favorite tracks in ANY of the MCU saga. But there's just something for me that Silvestri has with his Avengers score, that really brings it home. While I prefer Silvestri to Elfman in terms of scoring Avengers, I think Elfman was PERFECT for Multiverse of Madness. I really love this score!

[@Surfboarder4]

that captain carter was not the what if captain carter, but the one native to Earth 828

[@ROUGHSEES]

I’m gonna have to wait till this comes to streaming due to the kids but I’m glad y’all had fun! Love y’all

[@mnbrileyman4605]

Her character at the end is Clea! She's from the dark dimension and I think is related to dormamu somehow. But she's a love interest of strange!

[@prateekkhanna5540]

I've been saying all these years that Wanda can defeat anyone and everyone when she is on top power level.....big characters loose there shit when Wanda gets mad.....because she does shit like this everytime she gets mad.....she can never face consequences because no 1 can stop her.....watching her kids afraid of her is her consequence

[@JeremyLynRobins]

I don't know if this was already answered somewhere, but Charlize Theron's character is Clea, daughter of Dormammu. In the comics she eventually marries Steven, so she is commonly known as Clea Strange.

[@aaronbarr7935]

I’ve been waiting all day for this review to drop. Before I watch it, I gotta tell a true story. My most rewatched Preview’d video is “What If…?” episode one. The unbridled joy the boys both go through is a true delight, but Adam’s immediate infatuation with Captain Carter as a character steals the show. To wit, as I’m watching a movie out in real life, during Peggy’s demise scene, my brain whispered to me, “oh man. Adam Lash is gunna be furious.”. Parasocial relationships are weird. Welp. Time to watch the Preview’d review.

[@tailssonicteam1604]

Clea is a character from the comics. She's the sorceress supreme and becomes doctor strange's spouse eventually.

[@Joloki]

I’m the only one that is still thinking who the f*ck is billy and Tommy biological father in the Illuminati universe?

[@backtoearth1983]

Theron is Clea, daughter of Dormamu, Steven's longest standing cominc book love interest.

[@chloebaker4445]

i really wish it tied into the post credit scenes of doctor strange 1. a film of mordo killing all the sorcerors would’ve been great to see, but now i don’t know if we will because it’s looking like marvel is going to be focusing on the more multiversal stuff for strange going forward. i’m not mad at that direction, but i’d still love to see where we left off with 616 mordo

[@MrTiggityTotz23]

i also thought that he would be the main focus in this movie, but now i am still holding hope that dr strange three will now have him be an antagonist while they explore the dark dimension

[@reeferman42078]

@@MrTiggityTotz23 absolutely, like what if 616 mordo started wreaking havoc while Doctor Strange was off in the Multiverse somewhere doing Multiverse shit? Wong could be in great danger or something and have to contact Doctor Strange for help somehow but it won't be easy. I could get into a movie like that... finishing mordos story in a way that also fits with the multiversal stuff

[@CyGea]

Charlize Theron is Stephen Strange's comic book wife Clea. She is also the niece of Dormammu in the comics.

[@victorfierro6301]

It never clicked to me, until my buddy told me yesterday, Cap vouched for Wanda to not be seen as a threat. And when he told me that, the pit that formed in my stomach :,( still a great movie

[@hardcasevt]

The Minotaur guy is Rintrah! I was super-excited to see him. And Theron is Clea, who in the comics is the current Sorcerer Supreme.

[@mrsocko316]

When Wanda sealed Blackbolt's mouth shut, all I could think was, "Holy shit, they just X-men Origins Deadpooled him!"

[@gakolav6241]

From what I understand, Charlize Theron's character is the niece of Dormamu (from the first movie). They (Strange and her) eventually become romantically involved and she is the current Doctor Strange/Sorcerer Supreme (in comics).

[@janahall7295]

I can’t agree more with Adam about Captain Carter. My theater gasped SO loud when John Krasinski showed up but I thought a Haley Atwell looked SO good as Captain Carter and she was even better live action than the What If version. I would be totally down for some live action What If in the future.

[@joshgardner112]

Oh she looked amazing

[@creaturion_cosplay]

bruce was such a troll at the end...i was like marvel you m****** exactly like that but i found it funny and wasnt disapointed

[@Legs05]

To be fair outside of Thor which avenger has lost as much as Wanda her parents, her country, she had to kill Vision only for Thanos to make it a pointless cruel experience, Vision AGAIN and her children all the while being gone for 5 years too

[@Jumpoable]

Don't forget Pietro...

[@Legs05]

@@Jumpoable damn thought I put h after the parents lol

[@xswish13x]

Hey guys, Charlize Theron is playing Clea. She's from the Dark Dimension and is related to Dormammu.

[@HandOfVecna1188]

They call those eyes-on-the-camera moments "burning the lense," it's like the first thing you learn not to do as a filmmaker. It's a rule you don't break, except when you do. Go back and watch the end of Back to the Future again, there's a moment when Doc Brown does it just before lightning hits the tree. In the right moments it really pulls you in, but it's not the same thing as a 4th wall break.

[@hanziggy6862]

I did expect to see White vision suddenly show up and cry out "Wanda, you need to stop this NOW!". So I wonder if all the Illuminati are now dead in that other universe, what will be the repercussions and does that mean there are many other superheroes in that universe who could take their place?

[@ZachandYoshi]

Honestly, Elizabeth/Scarlet Witch made this movie for me. That ACTING 😍 “Is their mother still alive? “Yes she is.” “Good. There will be someone left to raise them.” 🫣😍

[@infallibleblue]

Sent shivers through me

[@rubaiyat300]

It's a good thing it ended the way it did for Wanda. Franklin and Valeria are not two you want swearing a blood oath of vengeance against you.

[@hamburgerhelpersalisburyst1507]

This felt like an appetizer to the true multiverse main course and sugar laden dessert that we are going to get over the next few years, and I'm cool with that.

[@fr.chrisbazyouros6832]

Hi guys! I really enjoy your reviews. The answer to the Charlize Theron question is she portrays Clea who escaped from another dimension and took refuge with Dr. Strange for a while. He taught her the mystic arts and she became a love interest for a time (this is going back to the 80s in the Dr. Strange books). My brother and I totally got excited when she appeared as we never imagined that character would be included in these films. Also, my brother had the same feeling as you both do in regards to the movie being a vehicle from point A to point B for the MCU.

[@Lenak_]

I don't understand the "if you haven't seen Wandavision it doesn'tmake sense" like, if you haven't watched Star Wars ep4 you won't understand ep6, that's how sagas work?

[@BorenNerdy]

If I remember correctly Charlize plays Clea who in the comics is Clea Strange, Stephens wife

[@TDM1138]

I’d argue Adam’s point, that it is not a movie...but it’s more akin to a TV movie that ends a series. I mean there were reports Strange was supposed to show up and speak to Wanda at the end of WandaVision, that was cut maybe due to Covid rearing it’s head at the time. So I feel like it’s more an extension than a film on its own. I enjoyed it, hell someone I went with enjoyed it that hadn’t seen WandaVision, but I still wonder how confused they got because of how necessary it was.

[@davidkelley5863]

He didn’t appear in Wandavision because they were afraid it would take away from Wanda’s story.

[@helinituhhh]

@@davidkelley5863 Definitely, but then the inverse happened in this movie wherein Wanda took away a lot from Stephen's story -- granted I was more invested in Wanda's story having seen WV, but still. I was afraid of Stephen being overshadowed in his own movie and he kinda was. Which is a shame but I still really liked it overall.

[@iwrotewords510]

the reason why Doctor Strange was cut from Wandavision is quoted in multiple articles... "Some people might say, ‘Oh, it would’ve been so cool to see Doctor Strange. But it would have taken away from Wanda. We didn’t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie - here’s the white guy, ‘Let me show you how power works.'"

[@davidkelley5863]

@@helinituhhh I was just referring to the part about Wandavision, not MoM. She definitely overshadowed Steven’s, sadly. I still really enjoyed the film.

[@loonuhtunes5455]

I jumped out of my seat A LOT but when Professor X said his famous line, I just LOSE IT!!!

[@yw9372]

My theater literally applauded when Reed Richards showed up, it's pretty awesome.

[@corrob]

with Wanda gone, Agatha would be free from her Westview spell

[@AshToneAudio]

Maybe Disney/Marvel has streaming analytics from Wanda Vision and What If that is more than we expect that gives them the confidence to start a movie with Wanda at the place she's at. I mean to be honest... I think it's time to admit that we are in a new age of storytelling formats that the gap between a Disney+ mini series (equal to a 3 movie trilogy in runtime) and an actual cinema 3ish movie franchise (i.e. Dr. Strange) is practically nonexistent. People have in home theatres, or insane personal viewing experiences, that on a comfort level rival sitting in a movie seat for many types of people. and Cinema got so damaged during lockdowns that the miniseries caught up in the viewers priorities of "where do i get show/movie at". I even predict that miniseries will eventually get special runs on actual cinema. Like a 5 hour cinema experience of Mando Season 2. Point I'm getting at is I dont think you should be concerned about someone not seeing the show, I think more people have seen the show than people realize. That PLUS we are definitely now in a time where it is WORLDLY KNOWN that jumping in to a marvel movie or show TODAY is an "at your own risk" situation. Like, a random new viewer will understand jumping into marvel studios release #40something, would be like me jumping in to Dr. Who right now, having never seen it, and wondering what's going on and why i don't know all the backstory. So I think in the end this movie is definitely safe to start it out the way it did for a "movie" stand point, because the parameters for these releases are its own new unique thing. A new age of cinema. BUT I'm HIGH as FUuuuuuuuQQ so don't take me to seriously :) LOVE YOU GUYS

[@templeofthegods]

Did everyone notice that when Black bolt executed their Strange his blue Cape was being held safe in Reed Richards arms.... and then when she repaired our Stevens cape it was with blue material.... I think she used the other cape and IN FACT could have put the whole cape tucked away inside that patch.... and either with or without her knowledge her corrupted Steven planted a spell on the cape to help bring him back.... what do you all think???

[@jandm4ever716]

Wanda’s coming back. She just became the Scarlet Witch and Lizzie Olsen has become a fan favorite. Also it’s the Marvel Fake Death Universe

[@ryancass2134]

Did you catch the the Doctor Strange reaction line to Reed Richards?.. he said “Fantastic Four? Didn’t you Chart in the 60s?”.. That has been a fan idea for years about how to introduce FF into the MCU.. they set them in 60s instead of modern day

[@TheGatorGr8]

Going to watch this movie with my wife tonight!!! Can’t wait to react, review, and riff with you guys!!!! Not watching the spoiler part yet but I WILL be back!!

[@TheGatorGr8]

I’m back… wow. Fantastic movie. Time to review. 😄

[@Animalfriend777]

I'm not seeing any comments answering this, but Theron is Clea, Strange's wife and main love interest in the comics, who is essentially a benevolent lovecrafitan being. Dormammu is her uncle

[@felixmurley-anderson5620]

The assertion that this was 2 hours of Marvel content really resonated with me. Spoilers There were times when I leaned over to my wife during the film and went “this really is a Sam Raimi joint, isn’t it?”. The zombie, the Shaky Attack Cam (tm), the Bruce Campbell cameo, all trademark Raimi. Oh, and mercing the Illuminati after hyping them up was just *chef’s kiss*. Also, letting the Superior Iron Man rumours fly about as a smokescreen for John Krasinski’s cameo was genius. I’m sure someone else has already said it, but Charlize Theron is playing Clea, who is Strange’s apprentice in the comics. It took me a sec to realise who she was playing because I completely forgot she was in the film. I also envisioned the writer’s room conversation about the fight against Third Eye Strange going something like this: Raimi: “I want them to have a music fight.” Writers: “You mean a dance fight?” Raimi: “No, I don’t.” 😂

[@danbach7748]

My theater has reserved seats, so people were showing up really close to showtime (which is fine, I only got there about 5 minutes before the previews started). But one guy a few seats down showed up 10 minutes AFTER the movie started, and all I could think was, "Bud, you are already totally lost". To his credit, he didn't make a peep asking anyone around to fill him in. I dunno, maybe this was his second viewing, I went to the 9:45pm showing.

[@Shortyd17]

I strongly disagree that it “wasn’t a movie”. Every character had an arc. America realizing how to use her powers and become a hero. Realizing that she maybe didn’t kill her parents. And even in that, finding a father figure in Doctor Strange. It’s a real coming of age arc for Miss Chavez in this film. Wanda, coming in from WandaVision completely corrupted by the dark hold, taking the Vader roll. Going full Darth Vader but the film keeps reminding us that she IS a good person. She made massive mistakes. Unforgivable mistakes. The scene when Chavez opens the portal to other Wanda’s home is just phenomenal character stuff for the Maximoff character. And by the end she destroys the Darkhold. And Strange has to come to grips with his arrogance in EVERY universe. Fallout from his own arrogance. He also gets closure with Christine, albeit from another universe. I just don’t agree with it being “not a film”.

[@donnatemple1999]

One of the best posts I have read about this film 👍

[@FrancisAnthony96]

All great points! I love this so much!

[@DeskIsUndead]

I dont think i can watch Wanda go without any punishment if she is alive after this. She killed people, people that didnt deserve it.

[@Shortyd17]

@@DeskIsUndead I tend to agree but you can always say “oh the darkhold was possessing her, Cthon possessed her”. Similar to Bucky. People give Bucky a pass.

[@DeskIsUndead]

@@Shortyd17 She chose to open that book tho. Bucky was never in control sadly. I just really dont want it to be passed on that like it didnt happen

[@KillJoy5950]

In the first end credit she was clea, aka dormammu’s niece and heir to be ruler of the dark dimension and dr strangers future wife

[@DrHeroe]

This was a Dr Strange movie. People were expecting an "Avengers" movie

[@DrHeroe]

SPOILER .....Having said that, the captain Carter fighting scene was really stupid

[@liamross340]

@@DrHeroe why?

[@kriticosART]

@@liamross340 because it lasted 2 seconds and she was wasted. The whole movie was wasted potential. It's literally Spiderman 3 for the MCU. Just a waste of characters.

[@Gonzo0311-]

It’s a multiverse captain carter and the rest of them are still alive somewhere else.

[@jinxie712]

@@Gonzo0311- I think this is what people aren’t getting. Multiverse means there are infinite of the same characters out there.

[@paranormalphoenix3317]

I see the destruction of the temple which in turn destroyed "every" copy of the Darkhold in the multiverse signified that the Scarlet Witch died (and most of the dark Dr. Strange variants in the multiverse) but Wanda survived and will come back probably sooner than later as a powered down Age of Ultron, maybe Infinity War level version (around the 838 version in the movie) of herself.

[@Grandtheatrix]

SPOILERS: Yes. I said it on Discord. In Civil War, they took nearly a whole movie to walk Tony from a guy trying to do the right thing to "I'm going to murder Bucky and anyone who gets in my way." In this one, we started there from the get go. I am like Adam. It doesn't sit well with me. I argue its not about not wanting to watch characters fall, it's that this one was Daenerys Targaryen bad.

[@cadiedover8067]

Adam's shirt gives me war flashbacks. Also, "we have X-men at home" killed me

[@ticozayas6430]

I thought it was a perfectly natural progression, Wanda was a radicalized youth experimented on and manipulated by hydra, is the reason the sakovia accords were drafted, traumatized from having to kill Vision, then watched Thanos reverse time only to kill Vision in front of her again, makes a nope bubble and enslaves an entire town manifesting children and a new Vision, is manipulated by Agatha, relents to reality after defeating Agatha, takes the darkhold for herself, is haunted by dreams of her children, finds out what dreams actually are from reading the darkhold, slowly becomes more and more corrupted every time she read from the book, then starts dream walking to find her kids... and ppl are surprised she was the bad guy??? lol Charlice Theron was Clea, a powerful sorcerer, niece to Dormamu, and eventual waifu to Dr. Strange

[@risbryn]

spoiler comment: . . . . . . my fave scene was 100% the scene where the copy of the darkhold gets destroyed and it keeps cutting between scarlet witch and the dreamwalk wanda with her kids - the quick cutting between the two universes without sound where the shots of her with her kids gradually get rarer so you could suddenly feel the distance between her and her kids and having no fade between the shots made it way more traumatising of how quickly it was disconnecting. it was the scene where my heart truly broke to see her on her knees failing to get her kids where it so perfectly showed how lonely and completely too far gone she was. really solidified how she had zero doubt in her that she needed them

[@benholland4660]

"its not really in movie format" - OMG thank you this is exactly what I was thinking. Loved the movie, love Dr Strange but man I came out just confused and feeling like nothing had been accomplished. 1. Bad marketing - it was presented as changing the marvel universe forever? Nah its more a Wanda and Stephen adventure about their worlds and has nothing to do with anything or anyone else. I expected so much more due to how it was marketed. 2. What happens to all the characters we meet in 828 world : did any of that mean anything? probably not just gave Wanda people to kill. Can we all agree Black Bolt just doesn't work as a character, I came away from that more confused about the future of the MCU than anything 3. I needed more explanation of the idea that in every other of the 73 universes A Chavez had visited Stephen made the WRONG decision and either died or ended up in a personal hell alone. But they never SHOW those failures helping me better understand the narrative arc here that OUR Stephen will make the right choice and not take her powers in the end. I needed a montage scene of all the other times A Chavez had been with a DR S and he made the wrong choice, just like 2 minutes of 10 examples would have made a world of difference. 4. Wanda - there is no way in hell as a fan of Wanda Vision I was ready for her to full villain from the start. The "I didn't tell you her name" scene seemed lazy. We needed more to understand how she used the Darkhold to summon demons and all the attempts she had already made to capture A Chavez before our Stephen ever gets involved and goes to see her. Ultimately my biggest take away was that in Spider Man we got a film where the main character grew as a person and I feel did something accomplished something, something changed with everyone forgetting him and i understood how Spiderman could work in the MCU in the future PLUS most importantly the use of Toby and Andrew had a huge payoff for them in and of themselves to give them a shout out and credit for their great work, it felt like it meant something. In MoM the payoff just isn't there - we are left in the same basic place with Stephen with very little growth or accomplishment other than just avoiding the problem of Wanda and all the extra characters have zero pay off because well they all die so did it even matter? never gonna see them again right? confusion

[@niconixx13]

When Wanda went after the Illuminati it reminded me of the last scene of Invincible Episode 1. Madness.

[@CaptainAmercia]

SPOLIERS......... (Only for people who have watched the film) I wonder if we'll ever see Earth-838 again the universe where most of the film is set. Also find it really interested that this reality has the X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, and the Inhumans already co existing together while the MCU has still yet to introduce these teams. This universe with the benefit of having Mr fantastic is also a little bit more advantaged than our mainline Earth-616 but i'm assuming it's set in the late 2020s as well as all the characters are around the same age. Maybe What If Season 2 will dive more into this and other universe's maybe even showing the aftermath of the Scarlet Witches attack. You can't expect the hero's of Earth-838 to let Wanda off the hook she pretty much butchered all the Team Leaders. On the topic of Earth-616 now being the MCU maybe the comic universe's were destroyed or isolated in The Multiverse War mentioned in Loki which created a Pre Multiverse War Earth-616 that is the MCU. This could also be the case for the ultimate Universe as well which could've combined with Earth-616 explaining why Nick Fury for example looks like his Ultimate counterpart along with stuff like the origins of certain hero's. Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse also uses versions of Earth-616 and The Ultimate Universe with the Ultimate universe being a little different to it's comic counterpart for example how it's Peter died so who knows how the movies treat these comic universes. I think people just don't think people want the MCU to replace Earth-616 from the comic's which is understandable but besides my theory on the Multiverse War there's no other explanation on how we could have the comic Earth-616 universe and a live action Earth-616 universe.

[@dandyprime5338]

Charlize Theron is playing Clea, the daughter of Dormammu and the most common love interest/wife of Dr. Strange in the comics. She eventually abandons the Dark Dimension and decides to do good with Dr. Strange, though the mid credits scene of this movie seems to suggest that Strange, now corrupted by the Darkhold, is going with her to cause an incursion in the Dark Dimension and more evil.

[@kcwells2751]

This review is weird because they announced a year and a half ago, before WandaVision was even released, that you’ll need to watch that show because it ties directly into Doctor Strange 2. In fact, all the shows will carry weight going forward. So being shocked that this movie is tied so tightly to the show…..makes no sense cuz we knew it going in.

[@joshgardner112]

Agreed. Once again people, just pay basic attention to things going on around you and listen lol, everyone should’ve already known this already for a very long time, there’s no justifiable excuse other than “I don’t have Disney+”. Well, then get it lol, it’s not expensive, or keep up with KZbin video reactors

[@todderickson2435]

Any reaction video that starts with Adam and Jay doing the Dr. Evil version of the macarena gets 2/2 dancing peaches from me.