The Expanse Aftershow Season 5 Episode 10: Wes Chatham, Ty Franck, Dominique Tipper & Steven Strait

Ty Franck and Wes Chatham reunite the Roci crew to talk about the season finale! For the last episode of The Expanse Aftershow, Dominique Tipper (Naomi Nagata) and Steven Strait (Jim Holden) join Ty & That Guy to walk through the Season 5 finale and “one of the most powerful visual sequences in all of The Expanse."
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About The Expanse:
The disappearance of rich-girl-turned-political-activist Julie Mao links the lives of Ceres detective Joe Miller (Thomas Jane), accidental ship captain James Holden (Steven Strait) and U.N. politician Chrisjen Avasarala (Shohreh Aghdashloo). Amidst political tension between Earth, Mars and the Belt, they unravel the single greatest conspiracy of all time.
About The Expanse Seasons 2:
In this noir thriller set two hundred years in the future, the case of a missing young woman leads a washed-up detective across the solar system to uncover the greatest conspiracy in human history.
About The Expanse Seasons 3:
As the Rocinante crew digs deeper into the search for Prax's missing daughter, the war between Earth and Mars turns deadly in ways the solar system has never seen. But a new threat in the outer reaches of the Belt could prove much more dangerous, threatening to test the very future of humanity.
About The Expanse Seasons 4:
Season 4 of The Expanse, its first as a global Amazon Original, begins a new chapter for the series with the crew of the Rocinante on a mission from the U.N. to explore new worlds beyond the Ring Gate. Humanity has been given access to thousands of Earth-like planets which has created a land rush and furthered tensions between the opposing nations of Earth, Mars and the Belt. Ilus is the first of these planets, one rich with natural resources but also marked by the ruins of a long dead alien civilization. While Earthers, Martians and Belters maneuver to colonize Ilus and its natural resources, these early explorers don’t understand this new world and are unaware of the larger dangers that await them.
About The Expanse Seasons 5:
In different parts of the Solar System, the crew of the Rocinante and their allies confront the sins of their past, while Marco Inaros unleashes an attack that will alter the future of Earth, Mars, the Belt, and the worlds beyond the Ring.
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[@huckberry17]

This show is so good its somehow simultaneously a hit and criminally underrated

[@NanashiSC2]

Critically acclaimed things are not popular with the general public..... Because they're idiots

[@fadams32]

Well said

[@rivengle]

It's getting a lot of attention now! Might break into mainstream right before S6 hits.

[@HisameArtwork]

true htb, but main issue ,imo , is sci-fi is still not trendy atm, fantasy still hits. As a sci fi writer myself I am having a hard time selling and I've been told to switch to fantasy. GRRM was less stubborn than me and cashed out big. I'm 30 so I'm hoping if I stick to it, I will catch the pendulum swing my way this life time and cash out later when I have my full series done. EDIT: thank you kindly for your encouragements

[@hoos3014]

@@HisameArtwork Keep the faith!

[@Kurtiscott]

For me, Drummer was just biding her time to disrupt Marco’s plans from the moment her crew was forced into joining him. Her simmering rage was written all over her face from that moment forward.

[@A77ILA]

Agree

[@marquessmith395]

Agreed....she made up her mind a couple of episodes ago.

[@tisFrancesfault]

Indeed, Marco kicker her in the teeth to many times. I think she could have let it slide but the attempted killing of Naomi was the last straw. And Sure she loved her family; but theres only so much someone, especially like Drummer would take before doing something regardless of personal cost.

[@stephenj702]

I disagree, I feel the seething rage of Drummer in the previous episodes was indicative of the cognitive dissonance she was experiencing knowing that she was being forced into a position that went against everything she stands for. Her anger at Marcos was in balance with her fear for her crew member and also for all of her family. But she does actually finally make a decision in episode 10 in the moment she shoots; in that moment she finally experiences clarity because when faced with destroying the Roci - which made no sense given Marcos larger plan (as she notes at one point) - she understood that Holden and the Roci were something Marcos actually fears and that saving them was the one thing she could do that was true to her values and ethics. in doing so she was not only killing the member of her family that was a hostage, but she was endangering everyone else she loved. She does so because she knows that Holden and the Roci may be the key to truly bringing down Marcos in the long run.

[@shawnahoffman4940]

Agree 100%. Honest she is my favorite character! She has such an expressive face-you can feel what she feels by looking at her.

[@reebajames2606]

I only wished they talked about that Amos - Holden conversation about Peaches at the end. So hilarious.. I'm laughing just thinking about it

[@AthAthanasius]

Yes! It took me a short while to figure out Amos' thought process on that. Something like: "Ok, so you used to be prepared to kill me, but now we have each others' backs. So that means you can be cool with Peaches too, right?". The hilarity was that Amos just wanted to confirm the first part and then *assumed* the second. I was laughing until the camera lingered a little too long on Holden and realised the general form of what was coming next.

[@kr4766]

Me too! I was waiting for that the whole time lol

[@Mike-le6ed]

favorite part of the episode....so funny.

[@mrluke8264]

Holden drops jaw, funny

[@slurmyscott9652]

the book goes into more detail, Holden doesn't quietly accept Peaches. Its really a fun rant.

[@marks93cobra]

Dominique Tipper fucking NAILED IT in these last 4 episodes, hats off to her acting (no disrespect to the other actors and writers, I love them all, I just think she did a phenomenal job).

[@quiett6191]

She deserves an Emmy for her work this season. And how she was able to convey everything in her scenes, over the past few episodes, with minimal lines. Absolute Masterclass of the "show, don't tell" concept.

[@DiogoPace]

She killed it in this season.Deserves an Emmy. But we know these awards are a hoax.

[@marrenby]

Yes indeed!! She is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors!! Every season she made me cry, and this season I was balling almost every episode due to her extraordinary talents!! Can’t wait for next season.

[@tekkman4485]

Her belter accent might be one of the worst on the show. I thought her performance was much better when she was using her natural Londoner accent.

[@srsgoblin]

She was a tour de force this season for sure. Absolutely elevated her game.

[@ahikernamedgq]

If Dominique Tipper was starring in a movie, she would be nominated for an Academy Award for her performance in Season 5. She is a magnificent actress. I felt so moved by her performance. Wonderful.

[@jaives]

if Dominique Tipper was cast as Michael Burnham then maybe Star Trek Discovery would've been enjoyable.

[@onubohrok]

Cara Gee has absorbed Samantha Rosenberg, Bull, Camina Drummer AND now Michio Pa. "When the universe needs a pirate queen, it makes Camina Drummer."

[@frostyrobot7689]

Drummer's such a great character.

[@MsRedNebulaPlays]

Even if he plays a different role, I'm glad we finally got to meet the show version of Bull!

[@gerardovelazquez724]

and they emasculated her in this season if it makes any sence, she was so vanilla compared to her self in previous seasons, he would have fired instantly if she were the Camina of the season before, i hope this was due to the stupidity of alex's actor and that the show had to be reshot and rewriten, i hope the quality goes up again next season, because this one they did a deservice to the awesome characters they already made, and just for the did of one person..... the hell???

[@michaelbusby9224]

Drummer is the best, omg

[@Nixxomatic]

@@gerardovelazquez724 Nothing was rewritten and reshot as everything was already written AND shot by the time this linching started. That being said I also agree that Alex deserved a better way to go, especially since the writters have said a couple days ago that they have been talking about killing off a major character for some time now, because drama. Personally I would want everyone to live, but I don't have a say in this.

[@philmarston9078]

honestly, the cast and crew of The Expanse deserve all the plaudits. This show from top to bottom is amazing.

[@Potatoshaneko]

Steven saying this was his favourite season is so selfless, as he's hardly in it to be fair. What a great mentality to have. "The show comes first". Also, on Wes saying about needing to have criticism, well I do have some. The seasons need to be longer in episode count as 10 just isn't enough, which is evidenced by the pod cast a few weeks ago, where you mentioned important 'off screen' conversations taking place between characters.

[@hoos3014]

Steven is bossmang now; he's credited as a producer this season.

[@CharalamposKoundourakis]

Yeah, his character had a lot more attention earlier but it was great to see him in this season aswell.

[@MysterySemicolon]

I would say they are pretty perfect for episode numbers. I think that's one of the failings of the Marvel series' on Netflix. They ran them too long and it got bogged down with stuff that just was filler. The best series I've seen to date are right around the 8-10 mark. Except for GoT. S8 was a fucking joke.

[@MS_25826]

Loved that. Steven is great

[@GTRoberts]

I couldn't agree more! We sat down last night to watch the show, and my wife and I just couldn't believe it was the finale :(

[@benjaminpvr3383]

That scene when Bobbie rescued Naomi was perfect. Lived from the perspective of Naomi, with a wonderful interpretation from Dominic Tipper, and the sound of Bobbie behind her, as if I could physically feel her in my back. My absolute favorite scene of The Expanse, congratulations to the whole crew for this amazing season !

[@tarkajedi3331]

Why is the Expanse the best hard scfi in the world??? Acting, writing, directing, production, casting.... effects, props, world building.... A story for this century.... Dominique deserves an award !!!! The show deserves all the awards in scfi !!!!

[@slurmyscott9652]

ah, the exclamation points from Tarka Jedi. So well said.

[@lernen.ohne.angst.official2737]

The Editors had to love the daily's. I'd love to see what they cut.

[@fr4nky4fingers]

Season 1 was but now I really lost a lot. Maybe it's because they dont have the CGI budget anymore but rail guns dont even seem to be a thing anymore.

[@milton1448]

Babylon 5 was the best for me. Expanse is very solid.

[@RichardSouth]

I watched a Star Trek Discovery a couple of days after watching this episode and it was just so full of 'magic science' that I couldn't take it seriously.

[@charlessmarr7107]

As a lifelong science fiction fan I was hooked from the first season. These glimpses into the making of the work make it so much richer. Thank you!

[@mstandenberg1421]

If you’re a reader, look for The Gap Sequence, a sci-fi series by another writer, Stephen Donaldson. It’s a critical contribution to the process that The Expanse writer evolved with to produce his stories. Many of the characters have versions of themselves in each author’s works. Some are better than The Expanse versions of them. Especially Angus Thermopylae (Amos), and Nick Succurso (Marco Inarus)

[@Azrael79a]

From the moment that guy decided put his life in Marco's hands, he was already dead lol. It was just a matter of time. I'm pretty sure Drummer and most of her crew knew that. But half of them were in denial.

[@Maj_Kasul]

Exactly. They were hoping beyond hope for a way out. All the while they had to know this could only end in some death, they were always Marco’s prisoners. Sux the serg went with Marco rather than the guy that help Drummer back.

[@Briandnlo4]

“If the system is going to war, having the biggest mass-murderer in history watching my back seems pretty good.” Wish granted.

[@Coletanm]

its fucking scary how they show airlock deaths

[@OceanHedgehog]

Some of them were sympathetic to Marco's cause, like the guy who volunteered to be on Marco's ship and Bertolt (the tall one who looks like a Nazi)

[@Maj_Kasul]

@@OceanHedgehog absolutely, the belters have a valid grievance. Drummer has the advantage of having been involved in other means of trying to get the inners to treat them as equals. Even without this, it’s hard asking your new family to team up with a guy/cause/faction that has personally killed your closest friends and allies. If it had been anyone else on the crew I think the tension would still have been very high. Drummer went along with what was best for her family not herself for as long as she could until she came to the line of killing her own friends for someone she rightfully considers her enemy. Another great last stand that worked out ok in the moment.

[@stephenpodeschi6052]

An Earther ( Holden ) a Martian ( Bobby ) and a Belter ( Naomi ) walked into a bar and Avasarala looked smiled and laughing to herself thought this was the real ending to that stupid joke.....lol

[@CharalamposKoundourakis]

Eyyyy great callback.

[@josephsamuel4076]

Nice, how did you figure that out.

[@stephenpodeschi6052]

@@josephsamuel4076 well it seemed more appropriate than the real ending of the Joke that started early in the season by the Admiral and brought up again in last episode and as he said " It used to sound better"....So in the bar/lounge scene when Avasarala looked so radiant looking at the main players come together and just before the final bad news it seemed a thing she would have been thinking to herself.....lol

[@quiett6191]

great payoff

[@slowbass]

Great

[@AMITAWAGHADE]

This season was the most human one. It also had the best writing and acting till now! I feel so lucky to be fan of these books and this show, it is a major sci-fi and a human story of my generation. Dominique Tipper is such a good actress. The decision to hold the shot on her face instead of showing the commotion happening around her in the finale was a noteworthy decision. It is so joyful that the creators are so serious about every tiniest details.

[@radientproductions9799]

Protomolecule : Hold My Beer

[@dontjudgemebymyname.4282]

Yep.

[@dmacarthur5356]

I appreciate how while Baltimore is in ruins and fighting to survive Amos still found a barber to get that fade tightened up.

[@buffaloblack3993]

recession proof business...lol

[@rob3791]

Not only him. Alex had that beard tight on the reg...no way he's doing that himself...him and Amos definitely be hitting up the Belt barbers.

[@dmacarthur5356]

@Steve Mo You must be awesome at parties.

[@jamesremus07]

He so fine haha

[@AndreaDoimo]

@@rob3791 In the future razors will be awesome! LOL

[@NickKharchenko]

I was affraid the aftershow been lost while going through the ring

[@quatermasss]

I think the reason for the delay was on account of the podcast producers having to blur out the copywrited image over Mr Strait's right shoulder.

[@quatermasss]

I think it is a poster for "Yellow Submarine".

[@anydaynow01]

@@quatermasss I think Wes had one too at the beginning but maybe they caught it in time and he took it down during the show.

[@younes0048]

The goths are fans of the aftershow

[@Oddball_E8]

@@quatermasss Naah... that doesn't take very long to do. More likely, the studio's legal team had to approve the thing before airing. They've probably gone through the entire footage to make sure they don't talk about the Cas Anvar situation any further than "Alex dies, and that's sad"...

[@marcforster4064]

I want the costume designer - specifically to talk about Avasarala.

[@mary-tk2is]

yes! she always looks incredible!

[@AntonPNym]

I've said elsewhere that Avasarala's wardrobe is almost a separate, uncredited character in the show now. Just says *so* much about her and circumstances around her... I'd love to see that picked up in the podcast, and to see who we need to praise for that excellent work.

[@eddyadityapradhan7960]

@@mary-tk2is yup , all throughout the seasons she was wearing an ethinic Indian saree fused with modern jewelry. It makes sense because her ethnicity is indian. lol. 🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@mary-tk2is]

@@eddyadityapradhan7960 yes...I knew her character was of India decent. She always looks stunning...which makes her foul mouth all the more fantastic. I just love her!

[@eastvandb]

Good call. With Shohreh Aghdashloo present so they can both talk about her costumes. I know she loves her wardrobe.

[@Thenormies]

Thank you all cast and crew for an amazing season! We cant wait til the next one! Until then OYEDENG!!!

[@grandiel24668]

i literally just watched your truly amazing reaction right after finishing season 5. Then i saw u guys here. What a coincidence 😂. One of my fav react channel on Ytb 🤩.

[@SHVRWK]

Love your reaction, guys!

[@samgriffith9878]

Oyedeng normilowda

[@JackieBaisa]

One of my favorite last-stand type of moment in film was actually in The Expanse. When Bobbie takes on the human-protomolecule hybrid in super-human versus Mars-human combat, to save the children of Io. She nearly dies and pretty much can't hardly even limp back and needs an evac. Superhero moment, in my book.

[@zoemalcolm2897]

Agreed!!!

[@JnEricsonx]

That was the "Let's see what it takes to kill one of these things" moments worthy of Mass Effect, or literally a line/scene from Babylon 5. I'd say firing a 5.56 minigun with incendiary rounds into somethings head at point blank works.

[@lukemighty4063]

10/10 Best sci fi series ever. I’m already craving for more.

[@rescyn1190]

Luke Mighty Babylon 5 would like a word with you ;)

[@deadlyecho]

@@rescyn1190 I don't think so 🤔

[@ComaradComisar]

@@rescyn1190 And those words would be "you win"

[@FoxysFriends]

Definitely 10/10 Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 are just as Great, you can split hairs but top 3 for me no order

[@marrenby]

@@ComaradComisar 🤣🤣🤣

[@ZeZwede]

Dammit, i was hoping they'd talk about the scene at the end with Amos and Holden and Peaches joining on the ship. Stephen absolutely nailed that surprised and shocked facial expression. was crazy funny.

[@iansmith6166]

Reading the comments here, that was clearly a fan-favourite moment. Was a peach of a scene, wasn't it.

[@cathalodiubhain5739]

Lol Holden walked right into it. Nothing he could say...

[@rorymcclernon4674]

Fantastic episode. Best ship action yet. Naomi's rescue was beautiful. RIP Alex.

[@ramaicacarper6281]

I might have cried

[@anydaynow01]

Yeah they gave him a fitting death, to go out they best way a pilot can hope for, burning like hell to save a friend.

[@zariumsheridan3488]

Yeah. Serrio Mal execution was most satisfying :)

[@JnEricsonx]

@@zariumsheridan3488 I keep forgetting they have that railgun, especially when it seems like in combat you gotta keep moving.

[@kriswalter560]

Bobby rescuing Naomi - an amazing scene.

[@fr4nky4fingers]

Naomi gasping for air in that suit 3 episodes in a row. After a while it got old.

[@nottams3174]

You are so right i had goose bumps and slight tears, not seeing Bobby just added to the tension. Great writing, great cinematography.

[@lisamoore6804]

Kris Walter, Agreed! I actually was comforted hearing Bobby through Naomi's suit after she grabbed her.

[@Surge1077]

Pretty cool scene, except for what happened to Alex at the same time Naomi was being rescued.

[@lisamoore6804]

@@Surge1077 Yes, I was so sad.

[@earthknight60]

Gotta say, I wish Firefly had had this level of support. The actors gave it, but no one else did. In many ways The Expanse is is the spiritual extension of Firefly.

[@mellowscorpio]

Give Dominique all the flowers. Bravo! Every scene pulled my heart in different directions. Just stellar performances all round

[@marktoettrupdk]

It was crap

[@Tarorc79]

Please dont stop after season 6... it must go on !

[@CharalamposKoundourakis]

Nope, it's final.

[@graystark240]

@@CharalamposKoundourakis false. We don’t REALLY know if it’s the final season. It’s the final season before a pause. That’s what they said

[@bob38028]

@@graystark240 the pause is pretty appropriate though, given that the next part of the series will pick up ~30 years after the end of season 6

[@anydaynow01]

@@bob38028 That is true, I really want some insane CGI when they start fighting the Laconian navy and waiting a few years might be the ticket since the cgi quality seems to vary throughout this season. I think they did a bang up job with the artifact in orbit though, I can't wait to see them in action! I can also see at least book 8 being made into a movie on Amazon. I can't wait to read how 9 unravels and if they can do the same with that.

[@bob38028]

@@anydaynow01 I bet the artifact (if you don't know what it is I won't spoil it), was an actual handmade kitbashed model. If not kitbashed, at least a handmade model.

[@WestOfEarth]

Can I just say Steven Strait has one of the best dude smiles.

[@Spoons213]

FInally someone said it!!! You just wanna see the guy smile.

[@Friendlygiant666]

I've loved the expanse since day one and the season finale just fueled my desire for more.

[@MikeEns306]

Give Dominique and Cara all the awards, please.

[@robertperrotto870]

one of the best moments in the episode was when Amos gamed Holden to get peaches aboard. The look of Shock, disbelief, bewilderment and WTF just happened as Holden processed just how Amos played him was priceless.

[@marquessmith395]

James face was priceless.....wtf

[@NanashiSC2]

Apparently much better in the books. And was so obvious that she was going to end up on the Roci crew by the end of the season

[@robertperrotto870]

@@marquessmith395 rewatch that sequence, just as Amos grabs Clarissa's arm and takes her away, you see a full range of those emotions pass over his face.

[@NanashiSC2]

@@robertperrotto870 didn't Clarissa say that Amos had her working on the Roci for a couple months before she went to prison.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@NanashiSC2 Yes, but her presence then was a necessity of her being transported back to stand trial. More of "since you're here" thing. Having her aboard now is an entirely different circumstance.

[@markmitzlaff8672]

I will miss the character Alex. He was really amazing through the books.

[@krashd]

He was my favourite character with his cowboy antics and lasagne.

[@Gebieter]

Me too. Alex was awesome. Such a shame that they killed him.

[@mmccullough3951]

@@krashd I think they FIRED him. He was under investigation for sexual misconduct with fans and crew.

[@pinkyfull]

@@mmccullough3951 mostly fans afaik, at cons and things, i don't think it was with crew, but i could be very wrong.

[@krashd]

@@mmccullough3951 They fired Cas Anvar the actor but Alex Kamal is still a great guy.

[@alainka544]

The way they all dance around the subject of Cas Anvar, trying not to address the elephant in the room is hilarious.

[@saftpackerl]

For me it was most akward, not hilarious. Made me a bit sad....

[@davidcoleman757]

That's been the case all along. What they did succeed in doing was write out Cas Anvar while giving Alex the hero's ending the character deserved: not an easy trick to pull off.

[@alainka544]

@@davidcoleman757 they used Fred Johnson death in the Expanse Book Babylon Ashes to get rid of Cas Anvar with "dignity". Anvar is not to pity, he's a millionaire wth a networth of $65 million.

[@ernestbamburg329]

More like pathetic

[@SolaraSLE99]

Naomi's scenes were so hard to watch, the suspense was brutal. I'm glad she made it out alive, sucks we lost Alex. But it's nice to have the crew back together again. This was a great episode so much leading up to it. Can't wait for the next season, will be waiting in anticipation.

[@erintierney8878]

This season has been about what an incredible actress Dominique Tipper is. Naomi is incredibly powerful but so soft in those moments alone. She really had me following her emotional rollercoaster. I hope her performance is acknowledged during award season.

[@marrenby]

Yes! Yes! Yes! I agree wholeheartedly!!

[@billmasen3923]

RIP Alex, Amos is the coolest gun totin mechanic ever.

[@Kaeden_Hahn]

If only he didn't sexually harass a crew member, maybe his character would still be alive.

[@cybervoid8442]

@@Kaeden_Hahn if it is proven, why is he not in jail?

[@normalmighty]

@@cybervoid8442 as far as I know, they've frustratingly kept the results of the third party investigation private. Maybe they found the assault allegations were unfounded but not the harassment claims, maybe they decided to quietly hold evidence of rape to themselves without reporting it to authorities, and call it a day after firing him. As long as the results of the investigation are private, there's no way to know.

[@theBoenich]

@@Kaeden_Hahn he definitely would it's a shame and for me the show will lose a lot of quality as a result. but it cannot be changed

[@cybervoid8442]

@@normalmighty it's fucked up if they're hiding the results whether he was involved in the harrassment or not

[@mummyrox479]

I was emotionally drained. Still can’t believe we won’t see Alex in the show again. Missing him already.😒

[@iansarantos2930]

@Dank Buds lol they were clearly credible, they investigated them for months

[@potblackettle5558]

Don't have to be convicted to get fired. There was tons of evidence. He is a creep.

[@potblackettle5558]

@@tc539 You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be fired. Did you forget that? Plenty of companies have image and standards clauses. He got an independent investigation into things. There are consequences to actions.

[@Adama.1]

@@potblackettle5558 some twitter losers will be angry if they kept him on, companies are scared of losing ''image'' but they wouldnt

[@xBigBean]

Real sucks that they have to walk on eggshells when they're talking about Alex (Cas).

[@jcp1984again]

It does. I f***ing hate it and I do wish that in situations like these we could actually separate the person from his work in fictional storytelling. Alex was a great guy, no matter what Cas Anwar may have done in real life. Period. Letting Alex fade away like this without even some proper farewell because of fearing bad press or backlash is f***ing awful.

[@harmanbeing]

@@jcp1984again I actually heard Naomi’s message as a goodbye to Alex and addressing the situation as a whole. I recommend going back and listening to it.

[@martensjd]

@@jcp1984again Understood, but nobody is going to ask a woman to work with Anvar, or nobody should.

[@Springheel01]

To say they were "talking about it since day 1" sounds pretty disingenuous, when we know Alex didn't die in the original version of ep 10.

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

@@jcp1984again What's fucking awful is dozens of allegations of sexual harassment and assault.

[@HtorneDK]

We need the last two books as Seasons, this is legendary, this is Adult Star Wars and I love it.

[@triptucker2690]

There are 3 more written 6-8 and no. 9 to come supposedly later this year, it would be such a disappointment if they didn't make them all with this cast and crew

[@promcheg]

In my opinion, Holden is an exemplary ship's captain, cool and calculating under pressure. Reminds me of Honor Harrington from "Short victorious war", where she sits on the bridge and calmly goes about her business, while everything around goes to hell. Or the captain of MCRN Hamurabi same here. I love how the portrayal of such characters is done realistically. No hysterics, no overreaction.

[@upthebikez]

We need an Honorverse series.

[@promcheg]

@@upthebikez long overdue mate, long overdue.

[@zariumsheridan3488]

Theresa Yao was Ok too. Though their overconfidence brought about her and her ship's untimely demise.

[@justgivemethetruth]

Great points

[@nickcher7071]

​@@upthebikez ikr! Honorverse has literally everything to satisfy anyone who loves space opera. Grand scale, amazing story and world, majestic ships, epic battles - both space and political, and on top of that - lots and lots of great characters which are both well written and diverse, not trading one to another. Honor herself is my personal definition of perfect "Strong female character" - being likeable, competent, humble complex and MOST IMPORTANTLY - evolving along the series, not "perfect from the start". And do not even start about absolutly glorious space battles - I am DYING to see on screen something of THAT magnitude and epicness, where the "Bad Guys" are also competent and complex, not just bunch of dressed up nazi clowns like imperials in star wars

[@2018_Toyota_Prius]

Each season just gets better. You all just knock it out of the park every time. Also, Dominique Tipper deserves an Emmy.

[@NanashiSC2]

Couldn't disagree more

[@sjp35productions6]

I loved Alex's final line, "That was a hell of a ride." As he knew he was stroking out.

[@stevensanna3651]

That totally destroyed me. Loved Alex. Still not used to the thought of him being gone.

[@vickyvey1657]

@@stevensanna3651 Well... sadly he had to be removed from the show....due to his misconduct outside the show, in other events...

[@teemukaskela3693]

What shocked me the most was the reactions of the rest for the crew. They reacted very lamely compared to how important Alex was. I believe this lame reaction has something to do with Alex's actor being removed from the show. I think his death should have been handled better. What a shame.

[@vickyvey1657]

@@teemukaskela3693 Totally agree... I didn't really understand his death until researching on google to know what really happened...

[@veritabletheropod]

@@teemukaskela3693 It's because it was all filmed prior to his removal from the show, he's actually been edited out of some scenes.

[@MrDigitalWorks]

This show has by far the most love for detail than any other show! From set design to the mobile device holos ... so excellent!

[@onubohrok]

I do really hope that S6, although totally unscripted, the crew gives justice to losing Alex Kamal. I get why it was done hastily, but I think there is still time to make it right by attending his funeral and making it really emotional about not only the things that Alex has done, but the things he'll no longer get to do.

[@barski8885]

That's a nice idea, the character deserves more of a tribute, if not the actor.

[@onubohrok]

The actor was fired for being under investigation for sexual misconduct. Although Anvar played Alex Kamal really well, he's left a stain on The Expanse forever, because they were left with no choice but to kill a main character. I would like to see the tribute to Alex, because it would give me some closure for all of the scenes I was excited to see him in, and now I never will.

[@matfax]

Alex's removal is really manufactured. The writers did the best they could, given the circumstances. It's a shame that they couldn't wait one more season because this would have been Alex's end anyways. The problem is that Alex was basically the brain of the Rosi and the Rosi is the center of the main story. Alex leaves in this anticlimactic manner when actually it should be a climax towards season 6 and its final rundown. The Rosi has to fulfill its purpose in the war to pay off her arc. Alex was the perfect pilot for her. She won't have her full capabilities now without her pilot. Alex is a sacrifice for Naomi, but this sacrifice should be transformed into a climax in the coming season. There has to be something more to his death. Something that ultimately makes the Rosi's family stronger. Namoi is already weakened by what happens to her son, this was her first sacrifice of a family member, then she unwillingly had to sacrifice Cyn, her parent figure, as well, the third sacrifice, Alex, seems almost too much. How can you get out of this stronger? If Alex had survived, she at least would have her new chosen family as an anchor and pull strength from it. This will be difficult to justify for the writers now. It will be difficult for the actors as well to not get distracted by the accusations that went public. It will be difficult to keep their morale up and remember Alex for Alex and not confuse Alex with his actor. Normally, this isn't a problem because character and actor fit together in our memories without any distraction.

[@barski8885]

@@onubohrok That's what I was saying in agreement with you, the character deserves a tribute and not the actor.

[@L8ugh1ngm8n1]

Doubt it, chances are that they will want to move on as quickly as possible and while that will mean that Alex doesn't get the respect he deserves it does at least mean that everyone can finally stop trying to not address the reality that lead to the character's death.

[@iansmith6166]

The season closed with its best episode ever. This will take some beating. I still want a seventh season, six seasons of this show is just not going to be enough. Oh go on Amazon. Please. There's still three more books left.

[@walterchaffee9094]

If Dominique doesn't win an Emmy for best actress its a crime. She was so GOOOD!

[@TheSpaceman332211]

She or the show won't be recognised at all. It's a tragedy.

[@1chrisford]

Well, they sure gave her the minutes to showcase, an Emmy would help the show, and most people think the entertainment industry will be forced to prefer blacks this year and get the bulk of awards by "wokeness" and virtue signaling.. Not that I discount Tipper's acting, it was excellent, but all the minutes moved to the Nagata story arc may be in part due to all shows fear not meeting the wishes of the Twitter mob even back in 2019.

[@armntic]

Can't believe you didn't talk about Amos perfectly playing Holden to get Peaches on the Roci.

[@Prometheus260491]

This episode was unreal, the combat scenes alone 👌. This show is the best sci fi going right now, how the studio can not rethink going beyond season 6 is beyond me.

[@Dj2xP]

"The oracle Shohreh" hahaha Bless that woman, the once and future Queen.

[@TonyBittner-Collins]

I love Avasarala!

[@joey7551]

Dominique played Naomi's story so beautifully this season. She deserves awards.

[@marrenby]

Is it weird that I got almost as emotional watching this aftershow as I did while watching the finale? I’m such a nerd, 🤓 but I LOVE this show. Hopefully, next year we’ll see a few nominations for the Golden Globe awards and Emmys.

[@kr4766]

Favorite moment was when Amos tricked Holden to bring his buddy Peaches onboard... the little kid excitement running back to her was priceless. Edit: changed it to Holden. Thanks for setting me straight. I never meant Alex.. oops.

[@Trepanation21]

It was like bringing your best friend over with their overnight stuff *and then* asking your parents if they can sleep over LMAO

[@loewenherz3]

Tricked Holden, you mean... Alex is dead at that point

[@curtisbme]

I liked that Amos outwitted Holden in this moment. Holden didn't even know he was getting worked, just thought they were having a bonding moment.

[@kr4766]

@@loewenherz3 oops, yeah thanks!

[@alison4dice]

I was laughing so hard at that moment. The look on Holden’s face when Clarissa said hi and Amos excitedly calling her Peaches and to follow him onto the ship. It was priceless. I’m disappointed they didn’t talk about it during the podcast.

[@theresewilliams7232]

Steven is the only person I have seen that smiles with his entire face, like he really has control over his face muscles

[@tracymetherell8744]

And the joy he expresses, especially when he laughs!

[@thegoodwin]

James Holden: No smiles. Steven Strait: ☺️

[@EBlank3807]

I'm sure some of us have had a serious crush/mancrush on him since The Covenant days 😂

[@InvincibleJake]

but the way his smile fades back to normal is so sudden it's weird 😂

[@brianschiller8979]

I think you must have missed the episode with Cara Gee. She is exactly the opposite personality of Drummer, and she engages everyone with huge smile everytime she is addressed.

[@EvilAnomaly]

Best TV Show ever hands down with no competition; I'm so happy I lived to be able to behold this absolute beauty of a story!!!

[@NanashiSC2]

Sorry my dude but that title goes to mash or the wire

[@EvilAnomaly]

@@NanashiSC2 Not for me...Expanse is on an entirely different level! A mere crime drama for me can't touch when you start dealing with Humanity itself as a species. How Humanity deals with itself on an interplanetary level versus mere local city stuff between Law Enforcement, Criminals, and Locals (been there done that with tv shows and plus IRL) Then you have not even being the big shots in this show where in the expanse of a massive universe there's OTHER SPECIES (and how we deal with first contact)!

[@robertcartier5088]

Everyone was great, but this year, the Emmy goes to Ms. Tipper! I felt every bruised muscle, every frayed nerve, every gasp... Wonderful work!

[@really1337]

I don't want another season of this. I want five more seasons of this.

[@Chanssr]

I want 10 more episodes 🙏

[@andreamanconi6023]

the novels are (going to be) 9 ... so maybe...

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

And they really could. Limitless worlds!

[@theKonfusion]

@@andreamanconi6023 they said they'll do 6 seasons. but who knows.

[@nutbastard]

The showrunners have said that after season 6 there will be a "pause". There's a big time jump in the story after the events of season 6 and they'll need time to write and develop the rest of the material. We'll probably have to wait a few years, but there's a general buzz that the props and sets will be preserved for later use.

[@annette4392]

Just an amazing season, and fantastic finale. My husband loves the books too, and is trying to get me into them. Thanks Wes and Ty for taking the time to do the aftershow and looking forward to rewatching the series and tuning in to more Ty and that guy.

[@manthroat]

Naomi's message was absolutely amazing. What a wonderful scene

[@Donnagata1409]

Yessss, that was awesome.

[@eddyfong6486]

For me, Naomi's story-arc, how it was produced/filmed/directed and ultimately performed by Dominique, was a next level brain-mushing, heart-crushing experience that was a privilege to watch. Thank you Expanse.

[@Craig-xw9jq]

You could tell the Alex death scene was added after and the other points added in - was a bit out of flow from the rest of the episode

[@gregm8596]

I wish they didn't kill Alex but recast the character for season 6.

[@ernestbamburg329]

Way outa flow

[@charlesbeaudry3263]

I guess it was ultimately easier to eliminate the character this way, after the fact (ie off screen HR issue with Anvar). Not great but kind of inevitable.

[@Lance37a]

But they set that up that getting a stroke is a very real possibility by doing a burn like that. You just don't expect a major character to die like that.

[@L8ugh1ngm8n1]

@@Lance37a It's exactly how they killed Fred Johnson in the books so it seems fitting.

[@serf6355]

By far the best season yet. Unbelievable...

[@korywalsh]

Truly one of the best seasons of science fiction in the history of television, if not the best. Bravo to everyone involved. And thanks to Amazon for making this a reality

[@andy14169]

that episode was a straight hitter for sure.

[@NanashiSC2]

It had to be cuz the majority of the season was pretty boring

[@JimNortonsAlcoholism]

@@NanashiSC2 Nothing can be as boring as Season 4 and it's star trek away mission

[@NanashiSC2]

@@JimNortonsAlcoholism I thought I already replied to this sorry I completely agree I absolutely hated the terrorist better lady. But it felt like kind of a good break before the series ramped up

[@zariumsheridan3488]

@@NanashiSC2 Not really. Only excessive Naomi ex-family business and all associated the crying. Other than that it was great. I'm kind of divided if S5 is the best one so far or is it still S3.

[@NanashiSC2]

@@zariumsheridan3488 I agree but I rewatched the whole series twice before beginning season 5. I never had an issue with the writing or pacing until this season. Let me give you my "favorite" moment of the season. Avasarala says "of course I want to fight back, they killed my husband but killing innocent civilians isn't the way to do it" Bobblehead says "this is no time to get emotional".

[@Deltasloth240]

Hands down my favourite show of all time. And I discovered it by accident, Amazon need to advertise it more for sure, until then I'll continue to badger everyone who will listen to me about how much this show fucking bangs.

[@nathanfrischkorn2888]

I'm pretty sure I typed that exact same comment almost verbatim on another episode!

[@CrackedCandy]

Bangs, I'm gonna have to use that, so much better than "sick"

[@Malky5279]

Same I saw it by chance, had a look on IMDB and saw it had a pretty decent rating so gave it a chance.

[@jpjuliano2008]

Seeing Naomi hearing Bobbi's voice.... Naomi's audio message to Holden .. Alex's mug ...Medina shooting at the UN and MRCN ships....Amos Naomi and Holden at the air lock without Alex...still processing all that.

[@formerpilot]

Greatest sci-fi series EVER. Excellent writing expressed by excellent acting and supported by special effects, photography and cinematography. The best collaboration of all time.

[@FastAcid]

Dominique's (Naomi's) journey during this season was so incredibly acted, i was astounded - amazing

[@gseno88]

The Expanse is definitely the best SciFi show ever, and Season 5 is one of the best (if not the best) - thanks for that guys! And Dominique's performance on Chetzemoka was just breathtaking. Can't wait for Season 6!

[@dharmakelleherauthor]

That long shot on Naomi's face was brilliantly done. The whole season was wonderful. But that shot. Wow!

[@MaxiGoethling]

With the podcast I have another reason to rewatch the entire show again. 🙏

[@chinny4953]

In a season of beautiful and excellent performances, Dominique Tipper's performance was a beauty.

[@eltravos99]

So, I don't know if this is said in the convo, but this episode shows a clear moral difference between Holden and Marco. Marco let's his own people die if it is to accomplish a goal. Holden will do anything he can, including give his own life, to save his people. It's fantastic.

[@CharalamposKoundourakis]

They are similar generally but that's the big difference between them

[@MS_25826]

Nice observation

[@CaitDuffy13]

I have been F5ing all day for this...

[@paulmilliken4880]

utterly amazing show, in every respect, love it, on the edge of my seat, saying Wow! every time. Naomi's heroism, breath-taking!

[@georgeparkes3863]

Amazing show, cast and plot. Love it!

[@Millerman77]

Love these aftershows! The news that you're going to re-run from the very start, is bloody brilliant! Well done Ty and that guy.

[@kingjinga2539]

Shame we never got to see Alex in battle with the Roci's railgun, I've been wanting to see that since he first shot it in season 4, now I'll never get the satisfaction of seeing him firing that thing at free navy ships with a hearty "Yeehaw!" I'm gonna miss him, the crew just doesn't feel quite complete now. T^T

[@riogrande5761]

Yep, it really really sucks. People often say how you live your private life shouldn't matter, but in this case, it messed up the ending of Season 5 in a big way for fans, and Season 6 as well.

[@vihanshah4844]

I love the energy Dom brings 😂😂

[@pattipostcard8489]

Dominique Tipper deserves to win an Emmy for her work in The Expanse this season.

[@yaldabaoth2]

Can we not act like having Alex die was planned from the start when it is absolutely clear that Cas Anvar had to leave the show due to "other" reasons?

[@alastormedial]

Yeah, it's kinda squicking me out. There's behind the scenes pics of Alex at the party at the end, so at least in some version of this episode, he survived. The most generous interpretation is that they filmed his death as a redundancy, thinking they might use it later? But I got the distinct impression it was achieved via reshoots.

[@RainCraver]

I also feel like the whole story is being burried. I'm not pro cancel culture, but al least acknowledge there were some issues with the actor and he's being investigated.... going on about how it was planned to kill him off and that is was SOOOO noble was a bit annoying, especially with the way everyone acted about his death in the show (fakest sad acting I've seen on Holden as he was explaining to us that Alex had a stroke :))) and the next day the crew was partying on Luna...really?) Even if they are contractually obligated not to talk about it or something, at least acknowledge there were some last minute changes :))

[@brianschiller8979]

You know I put all the blame for this squarely on the shoulders of Cas. Alex Kamal was a great part of the story, and Cas's actions have taken that away from all of us.

[@lonelyuser67]

Yeah, it's a little bit cheesy "elephant in the room"-talk, all that schmooze about "the heroic, tragic" death when he simply was sacked.

[@lonelyuser67]

@@brianschiller8979 usually I would agree, IF there was f.e. a trial to proof that. But since there is none and everybody seems to try - very loudly - not to talk about it, it feels wrong. It's wrong to sack people because of accusations only. The law is here to trial and convict people, not the internet and not private companies.

[@mary-tk2is]

I loved Amos's kid-like excitement calling Peaches to hop on board the Roci after his talk with Holden...he was so serious at first it took me a minute to understand what he was getting at Fantastic season & amazing work by everyone ❤❤

[@hummakavula3750]

You know which Star Trek actors loved and understood their show and which were just good actors with great scripts. Every member of this cast and crew is a die hard fan and I love that.

[@diegojimenez6087]

This is an incredible show with an incredible cast. Six seasons won’t be enough.

[@FastAcid]

I've been a Sci-fi nerd my whole life and this show is my favorite - best sci-fi show I have ever watched

[@markrussell910]

Drop season 6 all at once so we can binge this great show. This waiting around for next week is painful. I hope Cas Anvar can get his life in order. He will be missed, but understand why he is no longer in the show.

[@DelusionalNYC]

I respectfully disagree - the week by week rollout maximizes the appreciation for each individual episode and maximizes the community interaction.

[@evertonporter7887]

I believe in repentance, forgiveness and redemption. Acting isn't a lifelong profession anymore, there is life beyond it. I pray that Mr Anvar can find a way forward.

[@bleepbloop101010101]

This season was a solid 10/10 for me! I will always have a soft spot for the insanity of S3 but everyone knocked it out of the park here. Congrats, I can't wait for more :)

[@markalton6258]

For me this is, without any doubt, the best Sci-Fi series I have ever watched in fifty-five years of watching Sci-Fi. (I first recall watching "this Island Earth" on TV in about 1965, that was me hooked on Science Fiction forevermore).

[@Ojdaweedmane]

amos my fav character so far i think after the 5 seasons. wes chatham is a fucking sick actor and i hope to see him in a lot more stuff

[@everettharris967]

That's outstanding that you're going to go back and do this podcast for all the prior episodes. I'm definitely going to rewatch the series for that.

[@Quartermoon193]

In mourning for Alex. Incredible series.

[@haabat1342]

thank you The Expanse. See you on the Final Season soon😉

[@mattytunks21]

A great victory lap for one of the greatest shows on tv. Thanks guys

[@toney001]

This season was amazing, but Domi absolutely stole the freaking show. Seriously, top notch stuff. Can't wait for season 6. That shot of Laconia Station is super hype!

[@scottbrennan8044]

Props to Dominique Tipper, a lot of this season rode on her back. Epic acting job this season

[@thrawn82]

These shows are so good, I cannot wait to see these shows from the first few seasons!

[@Dunmerdog]

Dominique Tipper’s performance in the last few episodes was some of the best I’ve ever seen. There’s this moment where Naiomi goes back to her room on Marco’s ship after speaking to Filip, and she has this little breakdown moment and unleashes this frustrated and grieved scream. Rarely have I seen that level of acting. Drummer’s thread this season didnt totally work for me, but acting was still great. I think Clarissa and Amos were the heart of the story in a way. I’m not sure why, but the view of futuristic earth being so banal and standard is really great. Good season overall - not quite as stunning as 4, but very good.

[@yurikostin6172]

What an episode it was! Pure excitement! Bravo to the whole team and actors! 💥💥💥

[@bradjasperson134]

In case you were wondering what the blurry poster behind Steven Strait is, it's a Beatles Yellow Submarine poster.

[@kousetsuhana]

and the one behind Wes? :)

[@bradjasperson134]

@@kousetsuhana Didn't see one behind Wes.

[@bradjasperson134]

I figured it out because I've seen that picture so many times and there were a few moments in the video where it's a little less blurry.

[@orcasin112]

"Amos would, Amos is that guy." Ha!

[@dustinbowlin]

I am a die-hard Expanse book fan. I loved what you all did this season! Thank you!

[@datdudeinred]

Not just the best sci fi show ever. But THE BEST SHOW EVER PERIOD. Everything the story, the actors dedications, the cinematography, the single liners, all the great dialogs, I can go on and on..Just mesmerising.❤️🙌