Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life: Can They See Eye To Eye? | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

Hi everyone! We decided to bring back a popular topic to hear other people’s perspective on Pro Life vs Pro Choice. This is definitely a difficult topic since we all have our own opinions and experiences on whether we believe in one side or the other. Do you know anyone in your life that has either got an abortion or decided to keep the baby & what has that experience been for them?

[@Wigconic.]

Please do: do atheists think the same - spectrum 🙏🏻

[@itsmenads8529]

I personally am pro-choice, but my mother is pro-life. My mother had an abortion after I was born, and she has regretted her decision ever since. I do not know what it is like to have an abortion, but I am still pro-choice.

[@nunyabusiness6450]

Mother was pro-choice but couldn't bring herself to abort a child. She got pregnant 4 times, on birth control. I was the oldest. I remember constantly living in poverty, and having to raise my siblings while she was working. Now we're all okay and I love my siblings dearly, but from a logical standpoint, her quality of life would've been way better if she'd just gotten abortions. That's why I'm pro-choice

[@JD-kp6pt]

If you become pregnant but can't afford to raise a child then get an *abortion* . I do not want my tax dollars going to fund foster care or welfare programs to support children born to irresponsible parents.

[@johnd6099]

What if the child will be born disabled or have a mental problem like Down syndrome or cerebral palsy? I would abort it

[@HiddenLunarWings]

Surprisingly enough, this is one of the most respectful episodes of Middle Ground yet. Nobody saw that coming.

[@adhamk184]

i’m shook

[@ebok2562]

Moozy Foozy i agree

[@morningivy]

Right. This and the teacher one. Society is moving forward.

[@zoe53209]

i think it’s because of how sensitive the topic is

[@minecraftterroristschoolsh3755]

The college graduates / dropout one was pretty chill as well

[@cadencelabs]

“i’m so sorry you had to go through that experience” she’s so respectful even though they have opposite views, and she’s so sweet

[@SilverAukahzy]

I agree, but to me it seemed like she looked at her with a clear expression of pity, sympathy. I understand the girl's personal experience is painful to her, but frankly I'm tired of pro-life peeps looking at pro-choice girls that had abortions, as if they felt sorry for them because they condemned themselves. That is not coming from a neutral point of view, but from a self righteous one

[@cadencelabs]

@@SilverAukahzy so it was somewhat condescending ?

[@martmart6304]

She is the best person to have on this show.

[@zarasarwar8836]

i mean it really was the bare minimum

[@cadencelabs]

@@zarasarwar8836 i know :((

[@steamystreamy4728]

It’s so weird how this is more respectful than the flat earther debate

[@kwalterrasquinha413]

The flat earther one was sad. Those scientists were trying their best, and were respectful And when the question, i believe the other side is uneducated rose, and the flat earthers called the scientists uneducated, i almost broke my phone

[@chihiroogino7464]

That’s because flat earthers get angry they don’t understand... like chimps lol

[@maddyhannah8173]

Steamy Streamy because this is belief vs belief and flat earth one is facts vs belief

[@user-ws9ko1pu1y]

and the meat eaters vs vegans 🤔

[@maeg.9123]

It was Timmerie’s presence I swear

[@gracelambrecht]

I vote for a part 2 of this. Bring them all back

[@fallingforever2029]

Naw they should bring on people with more intellect their arguments were extremely surface level.

[@estrellagonzalez9740]

@@fallingforever2029 is that directed to you? they went deeper than the surface level, id like you to go on this show and just give ur opinion and how deep you'll go.

[@fallingforever2029]

@@estrellagonzalez9740 i would if i had the opportunity. What part of any of their arguments went past the surface level?

[@estrellagonzalez9740]

@@fallingforever2029 kinda wish u did tho, might've been cool

[@lavenderlavenderlavender5680]

@@fallingforever2029 i am SOO deeply scared of the 20th booster existing

[@michellewu3132]

I love how they weren't calling each others clowns, killers, idiots, etc. and it was basically all respectful :)

[@mistakev06]

Yeah rare to see in these debates

[@Viktir123]

But abortion is literally murder, facts hurt feelings of Liberals.

[@pregnantbae9432]

@@Viktir123 Your comment is very unnecessary

[@Viktir123]

@@pregnantbae9432 Facts hurt feelings.

[@pregnantbae9432]

@@Viktir123 My feelings ain't hurt but your comment is still unnecessary

[@AudCarroll]

love how they took such a 'heated' & 'controversial' topic and had a mature conversation, accepting each others views, and not getting mad. shows us how a real conversation should be!

[@fajarsetiawan8665]

Accepting? Pfft. They're more like holding on their emotions to not explode throughout the conversation.

[@41000mf]

Fajar Setiawan that’s exactly how you have a civil discussion, by putting whatever emotions you feel to the side

[@ausgibb]

I wish congressmen and women could do this

[@yarkieee]

Oh what days do we live in where hedonism controls peoples lives to the point they justify murdering their own child.. We as humans are gifted with rationality, the ability to think beyond all animals, and we still participate in these barbarous acts. For what exactly? Feeling "good" for 10 minutes? Is it worth killing an innocent soul? How selfish can a person be? If you want to talk about maturity, take from the pro lifers, not the childish and selfish pro murder activists.

[@yarkieee]

David Adesegun Unfortunately you came up with that definition to promote your personal agenda. Humans don’t get to decide if another human is a human, science does. And science says the first progression of life starts at conception. From there on it’s YOU who is deciding, you sick barbarian.

[@samanthabreede4322]

I really wish they had a pro choice guy because it really would’ve enhanced the conversation having there be two guys with different views

[@soiledcats808]

Samantha Breede I was thinking the same ! It would spark some very intriguing conversation.

[@tvbnine793]

They already did a Pro Choice and Pro Life middle ground that had an old guy that was Pro Choice

[@aaronlee6361]

I am a pro-choice guy.

[@esw04]

I’m a pro choice guy

[@leahwalker9151]

Samantha Breede I’m not shocked though bc men don’t understand women’s issues

[@QueenE94]

This is probably the best episode of “Middle Ground” that I’ve seen yet. Everyone was so polite and respectful when stating their views, and agreeing or disagreeing with someone. I really love how they were all able to joke and laugh from time to time. Conversations like this are what will help us accomplish things.

[@philcantdowasd6811]

when timmerie said “i’m sorry u went through that experience” i thought that was so sweet. even though they have different views, i loved that she was still respectful

[@bindunair3236]

And dis is exactly wat we want in dis world. Diff views but respecting each other. World wud be so diff.

[@dj_menyo839]

But is it still respectful and more importantly honest? If I hit you on the back of the head with a stick really hard, and then turn to you apologizing with tears. Only to hit you, again and again, day after day, with a tearful apology every time. Are those apologies really sincere or heartfelt? That the basis of what was said. Hey, I’m sorry u went through that experience. But I'm going to continue supporting things that will force you to repeat that terrible experience, and probably make it worse.

[@nikolaijones9543]

Manuel Fraire you will never see eye to eye with any pro-lifers if you cannot see the basic fact that in the study of embryology, life being at conception and the zygote, at that point, meets all 4 criteria of life, including the fact that it has its own unique DNA unlike any other on this planet. Life is infinitely invaluable.

[@dj_menyo839]

@@nikolaijones9543 you will not understand bodily autonomy and the importance of it. Also your talking points are FACTUALLY FALSE. At that point a zygote does NOT meet the 4 criteria for life. The 2nd criteria for life states that an organism can extract energy independently from the surrounding and use to convert this energy tu sustain itself. A zygote can not do this INDEPENDENTLY. The 3rd states that an organism can sense changes in it's surrounding. At the initial state of conception. It does NOT have a nervous system. Without it, it can not sense changes. But if you want to go that far back. Technically life starts at a sperm and eggs... You should be banning self pleasure as well. My issue with so-called "pro lifers" is that they should really be called pro birther. Because, once that child is born. They could care less. Right leaning people don't want to support health care or food stamps for people who need them... If pro lifers were as honest with themselves as the claim to be about the importance of life. Then the entire US foster care system and orphanages would not be overrun with kids that need help... And that is an undisputed verifiable FACT. Your point about the begining of life is still up for debate.

[@dj_menyo839]

@@nikolaijones9543 you can't say you honestly care about life and at the same time support politicians who push legislation to remove assistance from this kids you are "trying" to save. That's just plain being dishonest and disingenuous.

[@artsenal714]

This was one of the most controversial topics yet one of the most respectful debates.

[@gardenjhr]

Yes but the girl in the beanie was pushing it

[@jadenstoudt675]

@@viperz22 this is the one😂😂👌

[@meep9963]

What’d she do lol?

[@samw3720]

@@gardenjhr She did have a stronger opinion than others but never raised her voice and let other finish their thoughts before adding onto them.

[@gardenjhr]

Maya W stronger doesn’t mean correct

[@SonOfTheMostHigh99]

sees video: “well this is gonna get heat” watches video: “wow they actually had a calm discussion”

[@dippyhippy7166]

Then looks at youtube comments and people have learnt nothing lol

[@davidvalenta9394]

it's very nice editing from raw footage, I'm sure.. ;)

[@jessierabbit]

Have waited a whole day to watch this video because I was scared of how I was going to react. I am very passionate about this topic and I didn't want someone to say something that would upset me to the point of me becoming mad (has happened in some other episodes). This comment helped me and calmed me so I could actually watch the video.

[@lenapaschoal1593]

I probably wouldn’t have been this calm and I’m just proud they didn’t take it personally (as maybe I would), tho some topics weren’t very widely addressed like rape and low income families (w/ a simple and maybe low quality education), unsafe/clandestine abortions also weren’t mentioned at all, and those could risk both ‘lives’

[@Ethan-en2ij]

It was calmer than the others, but there was still the one person that was picking on the others and being harsh

[@charissa5150]

Based on my experience these benefits are much harder to receive than Most ppl think. I literally have an eviction notice in hand and 3 teenage boys who will be on the streets within days and I have called any and every organization I can think of or I've been told about and none of them can help me. Even though they are aware that 3 children are facing homelessness they can not help me!!

[@ahoee]

thank you for sharing your experiences. pro lifers really need to consider these circumstances more.

[@goldenrule8706]

@@ahoee you are probably the same kind of person who thinks its ok if an 18 and 19 yo can use a bounce house if they want and are light enough...

[@raptorbirdgaming5623]

Same here. Currently homeless but living with relatives. I had been looking and applying everywhere for months.

[@SierNotsruht]

Easy situation to solve, perform a late abortion on your three teenage boys, less mouths to feed, less likely to be evicted.

[@kevincruz4093]

@@ahoee well people that are pro life do think of these things, it’s just that we know that a life is much more important than a job or home. What you’re implying here is that every homeless person should’ve been aborted which is very cruel. Also how can you tell the future of what someone will become or where they will end up. If you really think about the reason why women get abortions you will realize that it’s more for inconvenience and selfish desires such as freedom rather than other actual debatable cases such as rape or life threatening birth to the mother.

[@alexiatamer5636]

I love how despite their different opinions everyone for the most part stayed really respectful and kind to each other. Both of the sides make points but the best part is how they could voice their opinions and not attack each other for it ❤️

[@HeadMitchInCharge]

alexiaa t That is the exact reason why I love this series SO much! I wish they did uncut versions though. I want to hear more!

[@GabriellaRodriguezx23]

Yes!! 100%

[@cameronweaver2013]

Exactly!

[@atinyevil1383]

Definitely. While people don’t need to agree on everything, it’s good to stay kind. Not everyone you disagree with is a terrible person. Sometimes we as humans forget that.

[@Comeback180]

That's why I can't stand those people that say don't talk about politics or it's not okay. No we can talk about politics people just need to be understanding and respectful of other people's opinions. This show show of how to do it in a civic way. Abortion should b the backup option or plan b. If couples require themselves to use condoms and other forms of birth control they can have safe sex without worrying about pregnancy occuring. The reason the women gets pregnant is because the sperm wasn't blocked off.

[@badako]

I love how in this episode they had more speaking time. It felt like they couldn’t completely talk their minds in other episodes because of the time limit.

[@twood12301]

I think these people had their thoughts more together and also didnt talk over each other as much as they do in other episodes.

[@MotekiEZ]

not the time limit...editing and cuts

[@annymus4660]

This is the most chilled out and respectful group of individuals I've seen on middle ground haha

[@quitacraig8345]

Yes indeedy

[@ngozinwachukwu158]

Anønymøus Urie yesss!!

[@selfimprovement3682]

Good For you😘😘

[@selfimprovement3682]

Trending with Timmerie Me Too😳😘

[@ngozinwachukwu158]

Trending with Timmerie Suscribed!

[@thenotoriusg]

Respect to everyone in this one, very respectful on a hugely controversial topic. This is how the conversation should be.

[@user-ww3ph3ht5s]

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[@Soundsliketara]

This is one of the most respectful “debates” I’ve seen on here. No one shaded each other and I’m surprised. I figured this would be one of the most heated episodes. Interesting...

[@scarlettrichards1787]

soundsliketara that one girl compared abortion to beating an animal to death. That was a shady guilt trip that simply wasn't true.

[@thequeenof_ships]

@@scarlettrichards1787 Kinda is though

[@scarlettrichards1787]

TheQueenOf_Ships I would argue with you but you’ve already shown me your intellectual capacity, so I doubt I could get anything through your thick skull.

[@thequeenof_ships]

@@scarlettrichards1787I feel the same way about you, if you actually took the time to research how abortion works you'd know it's just as gruesome, if not more, as beating an animal to death. And the sad thing is nowadays animal life is more important than our own. It's really sad.

[@scarlettrichards1787]

TheQueenOf_Ships I have watched it. I’ve also watched surgeries. It’s a medical procedure. I’m not the uneducated one here.

[@carmensmith329]

this is probably the first episode of middle ground ive seen where there wasn't "that one person" that just ruined it for everybody lmao *cough* derrick the incel *cough*

[@ummmmno411]

cheese empanada omg I remember Derrick😂

[@mariahcohen5110]

Derrick bruh💀💀💀

[@samabadawi5106]

Derrick could leave💀

[@sophieemerson3725]

which one had derrick the incel?

[@MaRiahhTurnerPoliticalMakeup]

oh derrick

[@_gvbg_2673]

This converastion is more mature than the presidential debate!

[@N0vaArrowww]

I thought the second presidential debate was good, the first presidential debate was off the rails bad

[@linac4833]

yes, that is insane

[@markusbryn8073]

By faaaaar

[@shesgunnabe]

FACTS!!

[@tandzilebhembe1255]

Lmao

[@fallonangel7919]

I absolutely LOVE how open minded both these groups are. Able to see out of someone elses eyes. Im personally pro choice. i enjoy knowing that i was born because my mom wanted to have me. Not because she had to. And many more reasons but im always willing to hear other peoples respectful opinions. Lets all be like this please

[@goldenrule8706]

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[@dont_know_my_name]

@@goldenrule8706 Nice :) 🏳‍🌈✨but also kinda random, don't ya think?

[@skootempaw10]

Ya your such a scholar

[@user-ww3ph3ht5s]

@@dont_know_my_name she is calling them gay

[@gingymeminator7043]

Usually you have the choice whether or not to get pregnant in the first place and it is your responsibility to birth that child for your actions. Plus, a life is better than no life even if the mom is experiencing hardships. The mother can get financial support from organizations. Just no matter the circumstances of the mother it's a DUTY as a mother to birth that genetically unique baby. If you have an argument against this I can easily destroy it since pro abortion's arguments are basic.

[@dsolomon]

It would be interesting to see pro-life women vs pro-choice men.

[@marycannonmorris1150]

dsolomon ok yes

[@tcchallenges761]

Or even the other way around tbh 😂

[@keybay7133]

dsolomon yessssssss

[@wkhristafer]

The world is gonna end

[@purrrmeow5323]

TC Challenges but it is usually like that though

[@serenitybeats1677]

0:38 that creepy chuckle and smile they always give each other before the passive aggressive debate

[@MyShootersDiddyWade]

lmao fr

[@tiffany4628]

Lmao yes!!! Always!!

[@bigscooter1291]

Highkey terrifying 😂😂

[@Eli-ns5uw]

PlushieBlushie this was totally respectful tho

[@Amaridi93]

LMAO welcome to 21st century dishonest honesty

[@cameronweaver6701]

This was extremely civil. All debates and conversations should be like this. Humans are humans and we need to understand each other. Edit: Some of y’all coming at me making assumptions that I’m not pro-life. Well, I am. It’s still valid to understand ideologies that you don’t agree with to educate yourself further. *Im talking to all the aggressive pro-life people down there*

[@shashavengesayi6055]

AMEN

[@Uchizumaki1]

Should but won't unfortunately. Humanity is beyond help at this point

[@arex7350]

That’s why I love a lot of these Jubilee videos. The people are surprisingly open minded, and you can tell they came there to have a conversation and not a debate.

[@josephambrosino3286]

We live in a society

[@TheJacobiedwards]

To be devils advocate I do believe it’s someone’s right to be spirited and heated, but as long as you don’t disrespect the other side.

[@HongFeiBai]

I was scared to watch this video. But they were really respectful and had interesting discussions without attempting to beat each other up.

[@leeeverett7388]

Why do I look in the comments knowing that I’ll get pissed off

[@blondetapperware8289]

It's a constrant struggle, Lee

[@DavidAWA]

Are you a pessimist?

[@seabassgang8524]

I miss u lee!

[@priscillacedeno499]

Lee Everett i feel you 100%

[@yungpropane2129]

Facts

[@MajeAdams17]

Wow, this was the most level-headed and respectful debate on abortion that I've ever seen. This channel never fails to rejuvenate my hope in humanity

[@chiaral.7150]

That lady in the pink dress looked like she was about to cry all the time

[@PanPhobicProdigy]

She's empathetic

[@internetspectator6051]

@@PanPhobicProdigy nah shes a snowflake

[@PanPhobicProdigy]

@@internetspectator6051 you can call it whatever you want, its empathy.

[@PanPhobicProdigy]

@mrmichaelmw great point

[@shelby7362]

Abortion is a very emotional topic for some people and she clearly has a lot of empathy

[@Unknown-qj9rw]

I’m neither pro choice or pro life. I believe that every case has its own solution. It’s absolutely crazy to abort a baby at 8 months pregnant like one can in New Mexico but it’s also nuts to completely ban abortion. We need to find a middle ground where the fetus and the rights of women are protected

[@daenerystargaryen]

You CANNOT abort baby at 8 months. Unless the baby has severe deformities and endangereds mothers life. Don't spread misinformations and lies.

[@3ialhdb]

Same I'm neither it depends on the situation to me

[@rosexo5778]

I wholeheartedly agree

[@rosexo5778]

@Třída D thats a disgusting thing to say. Seeing as you were once a baby you regard yourself as a parasite too.

[@IsadoraTaylor]

if you aren't pro-life or pro-choice, you are pro-choice. you don't care what the person who is pregnant is going to do with the fetus and their body. it's *their* choice. this is just what i personally believe though.

[@amanda-oy1si]

I love how a conversation on such a serious topic is so civil. I wish the rest of society can mirror this

[@vids8214]

Most of society is,, the internet on the other hand...

[@xboxfullauto1000]

Amanda Xx thats this channels goal!

[@amanda-oy1si]

Vids 82 I definitely agree. I think the conversation maybe needs to be initiated more. I feel like the people who have the power to start the conversation on a large scale and initiate the changes abuse the platforms (like in politics mostly)

[@amanda-oy1si]

xboxfullauto1000 That’s what makes Jubilee so great :)

[@joeykeenan2079]

No kidding. This is one of the most civil debates I've heard regarding abortion.

[@42069wastaken]

What's a girl gotta to do to see a debate between some scientists and some flat Earthers Edit: a girl finally got what a girl wanted

[@dawnkeyy]

Hahahah what debate? It would look like a primary school class.

[@wildbynature6779]

Bumppp

[@aliemaza5241]

They're working on it, they posted about it!

[@MsBlackIntrovert]

@@aliemaza5241 can't wait to see ugh

[@551223]

There’s nothing to debate, the earth isn’t flat

[@juniethegoon]

I am just glad they didn’t bring up “well just put them up for adoption” because as an adopted person, it’s not as grand as it sounds. Not every child gets lucky.

[@elizabeth-gd8eg]

better off being put up for adoption than literally d e a d edit: hey guys so this is awkward but ive actually completely changed my opinion on abortion since then and im pro choice now lol

[@elizabeth-gd8eg]

@Purple Hyacinth can you explain to be how tf a baby inside a womb isnt alive? wtf is it then if its not alive

[@spamemail5856]

elizabethッ exactly it’s like pro-choice logic is all humans start off dead then come back to life when a mother gives birth 😂😂🤦🏾‍♀️. Talk about a medical miracle

[@mcwaff8661]

@Purple Hyacinth if its not alive how does it grow 😎

[@timstarkey3692]

@@elizabeth-gd8eg it doesn't have the capacity to say "I love you" or "mum" or say "please don't abort me" it can't tell it's surroundings

[@andreavittoria4709]

I really appriciate the maturity and validation to one another from both sides in this video. Especially with an extremely rough topic

[@nayerie24]

I like how there was more speaking time. Honestly, if you guys wanted to put out a 45 minute video with one or two "break times" for ads, I definitely watch it AND the ads. Just an idea

[@alyssanybakken]

queen_ nayerie agreed

[@thesy2503]

Once a 2 month vid maybe, the shorter 12 min vids should remain

[@mustafahall3865]

Same

[@antjr6929]

People do not know about planned parenthood organization, far more than.

[@AK-jt7kh]

Same. I feel like people say that about these episodes a lot. The issue is that Jubilee wants to produce videos that get good stats, and you don't get as good of stats when people don't watch more than one in a single sitting or leave halfway through :/

[@uselessnothing8594]

I find a lot that when I discuss with my male friends, they don’t want to wear condoms but also don’t want to be fathers, definitely won’t be single fathers. Yet they still are pro life. If they think that the baby must be born they also need to be prepared to take care of it. You can’t just father a baby and expect the mother to take care of it when it not what you both originally wanted. Its not productive and I think men don’t have to think about it very often because nothing physically ties them to the baby. I still appreciate them as friends though and try to have these conversations so they can see why I think they need to face reality.

[@gavgavgavie]

I'm sorry that your dude friends are like that, I promise you that not all men are though. I believe in pro-choice and think that men should always be sexually responsible. Lmao have a good day.

[@uselessnothing8594]

Truly LC I don’t see how this is generalising if it’s from conversations I’ve had with real people. And I specified that this was my experience with my friends, I didn’t say everyone.

[@Gswizzle143]

Useless Nothing I wouldn’t say it’s generalizing either, I hate to say it but almost every man I’ve talked to about the topic is pro-life a lot of men do have this mindset and it’s a shame but I am grateful to those who don’t

[@clarencebeaks1315]

Useless Nothing you don’t have to use a condom. There’s something called pulling out.

[@ak4me880]

@@clarencebeaks1315 That's not always a very effective way of preventing pregnancy. Even precum can fertilize an egg, thus leading to pregnancy.

[@urbosasfury7539]

Why is this more respectful than the meat eaters vs vegans?

[@pyroide2212]

Lil' Booper I don’t hate vegans, and I’m a meat eater. Well I eat veggies too.

[@redd-qh4xn]

Because meat eater arguments are unrealistic and base on their opinion or feelings. which having their own opinion is not wrong, it just that is not connecting to their values and finding poor excuse. In my opinion.

[@veronicarotin6817]

Because people value annimals more than humans. Sadly.

[@Holistic_angst64]

@m sharp ok incel

[@morganmorganurmom6376]

Erdoğan Keleş ummmmmmm ok

[@antonialazar9876]

I love how respectful everyone was and how they debated the subject itself and didn't attack each other's views. I wish everyone, no matter if they are pro-life or pro-choice, debated this logically. I am pro-choice and willing to respect opposite views if they are presented logically and if the person respects my views, but most people let their emotions get to their head and attack the other's convinctions instead of debating abortion itself.

[@youawesome2068]

elmo

[@oopsibrokethecow]

Those stools they sit on look so uncomfortable.

[@DreAnimates]

They are. I can confirm (I'm the stool)

[@Xx_unicornprincesses_xX]

fr tho

[@alicianguevara3144]

this comment is so random like all the other comments are about the video but this one is about the stool lol

[@diana-kk1zv]

someone finally said it

[@04runnerr]

Thanks for this non political comment my guy

[@kalsoomrauf6862]

Can you please do LGBTQ parents vs Anti-LGBT parenting? There will be so much to discuss.

[@breecasey6744]

☝️ agree

[@hopearnold9100]

That would simply be liberal people eating and hating at conservative people.

[@alanarose4577]

@@hopearnold9100 You could say the same about all sides discussed during this program. The point is to listen to each person's point of view.

[@johnwitling9648]

Kulsoom Jamal terrible idea the discussion would go no where at all

[@hopearnold9100]

Alana Rose Jubilee tends to lead more so towards the liberal side, especially its fans. The conversation would go no where. And liberal people would just go down on conservative, especially in the comments.

[@cazzaandherjourneytofindar9112]

The birth control pill is not an option for everyone as well, when I went on it it made me gain weight and become both depressed and suicidal, it’s not an easy thing for women to be on and we should share responsibility.

[@jamievans38]

If you can’t sustain a baby don’t have sex

[@giawers]

@@jamievans38 are you serious? What about rape then?

[@mellowmorningsasmr3770]

Giawers rape only accounts for less then 1 PERCENT OF PREGNANCY and like I’ve said to others, y’all are just using that as an excuse, because even if it was only available in cases of rape people would still be pissed that they have to take responsibility for having sex!!

[@kat8275]

Long Live Jah Just because a woman can’t use birth control, doesn’t mean they can’t have sex. Men can and should be responsible when having sex just as much as women. Both parties should be practicing safe sex by using condoms and other forms of protection. Why put the responsibility solely on the woman?

[@favorittspillerentillord6644]

Just say No. I dont want to have sex

[@silversmith8995]

This was such a great group of people! I do wish they'd touched on rape a bit more though - imagine being a child who was raped and then being legally obligated to continue that trauma by carrying that child to full birth. Also it's definitely our responsibility as adults to bring children into this world in a safe, loving and protected environment. If we can't provide that, it just seems cruel to see that pregnancy through.

[@darcymr353]

Pro-birthers don't care. As long as the birth happens, at whatever cost.

[@sussybaka5201]

Agreed. Alot of the time when I talk to pro-lifers and I bring up the point of rape, or incest, or child pregnancy, they just say "well that barely happens"

[@Melissa-xo6xm]

@@sussybaka5201 exactly it gets me heated bc rape is not rare it happens to people everyday, and for them to say “less than 1% of abortions are due to rape” in my opinion sounds ignorant bc they’re basically saying “well the percentage is very low so it doesn’t really matter” ok well that’s still thousands of women affected

[@firstlegend5105]

That's literally the reason pro-choice happened in the first place. For people to ignore SA, abuse, domestic violence, trauma and r*pe when handling these arguments is completely ignorant and insensitive. The doers ought to face life sentence or at the maximum, death penalty. We as a society should spread awareness regarding these issues, prevention of these criminal acts and endorse stronger punishments for crimes in SA and r*pe

[@sadie4645]

@@Melissa-xo6xm yea it’s happening enough to where it is a problem

[@Steg_The_Man]

They're all so respectful and calm. This is how you have a discussion!

[@sydneykaplan65]

One of the most respectful conversations I've seen on a Middle Ground. I'm surprised in a good way

[@katarinakocic3123]

I am pro-choice, but I respect Timmerie so much. She is so gentle and understanding.

[@meb5599]

Katarina Kocic me too, she’s so nice and is respectful of other people’s options, love her

[@ssjraikage7874]

Same. She was just so nice

[@paulapucko1447]

Me too ♡

[@missbetsylynne]

SAME!!! PRO-CHOICE

[@angelbarajas9180]

I'm Pro-life was Liz was great!

[@UnravelingArchitecture]

back today watching after the overturn announcement...

[@marlkalone7361]

If more money was put into PROPER sex education instead of just abstinence-based stuff, there'd be a lot less need for abortions. Just telling someone "don't have sex until marriage" won't fix anything.

[@mrbigbrain2429]

literally all you need to so is use a condom or carry a gun to shoot the rapist.

[@mrbigbrain2429]

@Humanity Galatica why make it illegal, so you want to put the trust in the government for an issue that could be simply fixed by education and responsibility? You have your trust way to much in the government, you might as well move to china.

[@intensestare5027]

Humanity Galatica i don’t think you understand, sex education is crucial so people are aware of safe sex practices and planned parenthood so that abortion is a last resort. Abortion should be a choice, as it is a choice that woman should be able to make for her own body, but it shouldn’t be the only option

[@brewnovanity]

Humanity Galatica nobody especially in gen z is waiting till marriage to have sex it’s not gonna. Work gen z grows up with drugs smoking they all watch porn

[@intensestare5027]

Humanity Galatica humanity as a whole is overpopulated, and we’ve managed to accelerate global warming by a lot. There are plenty of women who actually want children, but those who don’t shouldn’t be forced or demonized for not wanting children. The human species will definitely keep going, and abortion isn’t going to suddenly cause our extinction.

[@kazamafraz]

tbh I’m just hyped for the flat earthers vs scientists edit: geez this blew up a little, I thought they were making one because they asked something about it on one of those KZbin polls things

[@pharaohsushi6904]

Kazamafraz - ESC omg yesss

[@sleep_me_now]

That's too one-sided for an entire 20 minute middle ground video

[@TR-cy5fg]

Who cares if it's one sided...it'll be a blast to watch.

[@madapigi1]

@@sleep_me_now i know but it would be fun lol

[@Seeview213]

Yesss!!

[@Wigconic.]

Please do : Public school vs Homeschool middle ground

[@leedleleedleleedlelee6188]

I see you everywhere lol

[@anna.9027]

@@leedleleedleleedlelee6188 same

[@rachelewing-merrill3385]

wigconic pubic/ private too

[@imaribarnes-lindsay2020]

Yessss I would love to see that

[@subscribersvideo-sl3hv]

DO NOT READ MY NAME

[@Thatonelonewolf928]

It’s astounding how respectful this conversation is.

[@whitewhitewhite2446]

Yep. As respectful as a flag

[@6ngelic]

i’m pro choice & i really thought the opposite side was well spoken and i appreciate nobody talking over one another

[@lenapaschoal1593]

I’m also pro-choice, and thought a peaceful debate was nice, however I didn’t agree with anything the opposite side said, at all, I thought hearing different opinions is nice

[@angelbarajas9180]

@@lenapaschoal1593 Hi I'm Pro-Life and boi do I love how peaceful the comments are 😊🙎♀

[@rickygee1233]

Shin Bot it’s a fetus...

[@angelbarajas9180]

@@rickygee1233 Sorry but it's a undisputed biological scientific fact that life begins at conception

[@kennedy3682]

@Shin Bot It's a personal opinion and they have a right to say they didn't necessarily agree with the pro-life side and that's okay.

[@yasminbandzz4683]

i could lowkey tell what side they would be on before it was shown

[@ladypeace8912]

Yasmin Bandzz way to judge a book by it's cover

[@caseh4235]

Exactly what I was thinking lmao a lot of the time stereotypes appear to hold up

[@bobow4075]

Not in the real world lol

[@AAAndrew21]

I just saw that chick with glasses and I instantly knew what side she was on lmao

[@roguekitty9671]

@@kim-kitsuragi what does a criminal look like?

[@nghi4645]

Never have I ever been more frustrated that I could not intervene in a conversation. edit: the power I have, setting off a ww3 in my replies lmao

[@dolphin1160]

What are you ?

[@mint_ls5181]

LMAO SAME I WISH I WAS THERE

[@o_o488]

YES

[@aerys9644]

me too!

[@Fckscotus]

Yes

[@plum8264]

I think we need a part 2 now.

[@goldenrule8706]

common denominator shocked you?!?! (12)

[@kristinavee1012]

Now we especially need one given the news in the US about roe v wade.

[@ShelleySkyDoe]

I love how instead of trying to change each other's opinion, they just wanted to share their opinion and experience. This is what a debate is about.

[@MabelRD08]

I loved this episode!

[@pilar1452]

why does everyone have this profile picture lol

[@emmacluver926]

I also loved how they brought up that it’s okay to not agree with each other and that other people have different views that should be respected. Very classy.

[@haydenbuell7860]

Pilar Guerrero oh yeah yeah

[@nicolesanchez9908]

!!! Yessss

[@Laura-tq1ho]

I said it once and I say it again, SPECTRUM IDEA: do all women who have had an abortion think the same?

[@hannahm4581]

The first one they did had a pro life person who had had an abortion, so they kind of addressed it already

[@Matthew-tv3fz]

Laura Nope. That seems to come off to me as an absolute.

[@theonlyfaith77]

@@hannahm4581 They had one person out of thousands so that's a good representation of how everyone feels? Lol, no.

[@paige393]

Ohh that’s a good one!

[@tommymack3210]

Laura bruh, boring. Better idea: do all rich people think the same / poor people

[@paulinedeforche8533]

the lady in the pink dress looks like she was going to cry the whole time

[@francescar1852]

yeah maybe it has to do with the fact that people have to fight to protect the life of unborn babies

[@francescar1852]

cause the fact that the murder of unborn babies is trying to be justified isn't evil at all!!!

[@noahedwards4340]

randomstuff_isthebest because It’s not

[@gaminglegend]

I KNOW RIGHT

[@emilyh8798]

@@francescar1852 lol would u rather have a baby suffer every day it lives with a unloving mother or just yk,,, not be born? If i were aborted i wouldnt even remember lol i simply just wouldnt exist ❤

[@butterfly66princess]

Absolutely the most amazing one to watch. Respectful, everyone has manners and let's everyone talk instead of talking over each other. Great effort.

[@kiwihue]

jason seems like such a kind soul. this entire group does. this is a wonderful example of a group of people who know how to talk as humans and not viewpoints. thank you jubilee for opening up the conversation and bringing light to this topic.

[@njcapone]

is that Nayeon?

[@Chunnipi]

Most definitely! A very civil and fruitful conversation:)

[@c.hristinevo]

ally hirst He seems so approachable, and easy to befriend :)

[@aaliyahallen-sellers3547]

I love how both sides are really respectful toward the other. There’s no bashing the other side or tearing down their argument. They’re just people who have different beliefs about a very sensitive topic and are being so calm and respectful. I’m herefor it.

[@morgancatt2212]

thats how all conversions should be because both opinions are valid.

[@nohelya347]

Liyah _ yeah if only the people in this comment section were like that😒

[@fludrew_9257]

If anyone wants to respectfully debate here, we can. I'm pro choice.

[@aaliyahallen-sellers3547]

FluDrew _ I am pro choice as well. Nice to meet you

[@mariahhenderson1470]

@@aaliyahallen-sellers3547 I'm pro choice as well, hi

[@CC-hq3hf]

This was the one middle ground that didn't make me angry because everyone was so understanding and polite of each others opinions. Maturity at its finest!

[@Ashtrey444]

I absolutely loved timmerie she has such a kind, caring way about her. her empathy reached out to all those women with trauma from past abortions/miscarriages. she also really helped me to open my mind. I think as people we get too caught up in lables or boxes that we deny ourselves experiences based on what we think it’ll be like. I think the same goes for these topics where people claim they are “pro-life” or “pro-choice”, even other episodes like the liberals debating against the conservatives, although we identify with these boxes we are not these things. whenever I thought of someone as “pro-life” my mind would instantly go to all the estranged women and protesters outside of the planned parenthood by my house that would be shouting vulgar sayings to women going in for abortions. they’d carry around giant picket signs to shame the women with gross images. Timmerie is like a glass of refreshing water. She reminds me that I shouldn’t be judging people based off what I perceive them to be, or what society has told me. we are all one and different at the same time. Let this episode be a reminder to keep you mind open, so we can talk create and learn together.

[@amiraengene8241]

Hhb

[@e11anora]

Natalie was making such valid points, as well as trying to understand the other side while making counter arguments. Very respectful

[@dl505lh]

Very articulate, she’s able to put aside her own opinions at moments and consider the other side while still explaining her POV.

[@zarasarwar8836]

I love the blonde curly haired girls perspective abt sex education and discussions with her partners because it was what is really realistically happening.

[@josephi6817]

just say the black girl its not racist to say someone skin tone

[@petrasolano9531]

@@josephi6817 yeah but that doesn’t define her

[@josephi6817]

@@petrasolano9531 ok and shes just describing the person shes talking about

[@mae625]

Armyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[@petrasolano9531]

@@josephi6817 ok

[@Silvermoon514]

I just love how when Timmerie was talking about quality of life and pregnancy centers, and when she was talking in general, that she was so gentle and collected. Because typically these kinds of discussions quickly turn into a screaming match, but they all handled it to calmly

[@shadyside79]

Then she made comments patronizing to women. Lets assume Roe is over turned and abortion isn't legal. Why shouldn't a woman be prosecuted for murder? If we as a society say life begins at conception wouldn't a woman be apart of conspiracy to commit murder if she had an abortion? We as a society say women are equal should they be held to account for there actions?

[@Silvermoon514]

No one should be able to avoid prosecution for murder. In my opinion, abortion is on the same level as murder. Its simply not seen as such because the fetus is, by many, seen as invaluable in comparison to already born children and adults. Maybe because the fetus has no memory? But then again, children don't start remembering things until they're around toddler age. Maybe it's because the family doesn't have any lasting memories with the fetus until after it's born, I don't know. Everyone should be accounted for their bad actions regardless of to whom the action was done.

[@naomi7495]

@@Silvermoon514 I wish I could hit the like button multiple times! I love how you said that.

[@victorakintola4145]

@@Silvermoon514 the death of a zygote/embryo isn't seen as murder because zygotes/embryos can't exist/survive without the mother's body and doesn't really have any sentience.

[@samuelwhite3173]

@@victorakintola4145 If someone is in a coma, they do not have sentience. So it is okay to murder them because of this?

[@minhpham4634]

Here to seek some clarifications: I wonder what is the actual success rate of adoption for unwanted babies. How often they are returned? And if there’s any mental health assessment on this group of demographic. I’ve heard pretty bad stories of children in foster care, and knowing that alone would make me think that terminating a child might be better than to give it a life in foster care. So enlighten me. Also, I wonder if this is worthwhile for red states to fall out with the majority of the tech workforce, which are mostly liberals and has been major investors into economies of red states like Ohio, Texas, and Florida. Not to mention falling out with big economical centers like California and East Coast

[@sideridely]

Adopted at birth, have a full time job. No kids. Pro life

[@billhollis1888]

First off, there are far more hopeful parents waiting to adopt than there are kids available for adoption. So something seems to be working there. Now the foster system needs quite a bit of reform for various reasons, but one also needs to understand how the whole process of the foster system works. In most cases the foster system is primarily used as a housing option for kids in hopes of returning them to their biological parents who may be facing other issues such as drug abuse for example. After a set amount of time or so many failed attempts from the parents to get things done (assuming they wish to have their kids returned) the kids are then placed for adoption. Issues that do arise where the foster system needs reforming is issues that lie mostly with CPS themselves usually. How they conduct welfare investigations, who they approve as a foster family, etc.

[@Jblah]

People worry about saving babies but nobody cares about the babies that are already born and have no food smh. Nobody cared when children are getting raped in the vatican but they support religion smh Thers is literally no sound reasoning for anti abortion. This is just government agenda to keep the world in chaos and divide so nobody has the time to do anything about the real injustices in this world. Lets worry about unborn babies instead smh

[@Glim1495]

@@sideridely not everyone is as fortunate as you are

[@patrickwolf795]

So, the foster system is different than the adoption system. Kids who are given up for adoption are adopted (especially infants). The foster system is temporary and is for kids who (might) go back to their parents. It's also for kids who are to be adopted, but these cases are usually only for teenagers (children who, unfortunately, most people don't want to adopt). As for myself, my twin sister and I were both adopted as infants and we both turned out fine. We both went to university, we both have stable jobs, and we both have our own families now. I also never cared to meet my biological family. Not out of resentment, but just because I see my adopted parents as my real parents. DNA doesn't really matter to me when it comes to family. My sister, on the other hand, did try to find our biological family, but when they showed no interest in starting a relationship, she just let it be and respected their wishes. Other than that, as far as I know, there's way more stable families who want to adopt infants than there are infants available for adoption.

[@thealfalfajones]

this girl w blonde curls has my HEART i love everything she says, she’s got to much to say, and so much to teach

[@bat5092]

Honestly, the second that she introduced herself, I thought she sounded really cool.

[@BRhymesss]

Dude she was SO great. She really tried to understand where everyone was coming from and was never condescending or dismissive with her responses. I dream to speak like that when confronted with those who challenge my views.

[@jennys.2440]

We need more people like her!

[@thessalfihri2543]

Yes! She always presented her opinions in a simple and respectful way 💗

[@AmariHetep]

Marina Johnson And I especially love the way she articulates her opinions in a manner that’s tactful and not condescending.

[@brandonscott946]

Me: *hears the name Jolene* Me: "don't do it" My brain: "Jolene, Jolene, joleene, please don't take my man"

[@andrew4363]

Brandon Scott please don’t take him just because you can

[@brandonscott946]

@@andrew4363 your beauty is beyond compare with flaming locks of auburn hair

[@andrew4363]

Brandon Scott and I cannot compete with you jolene

[@brandonscott946]

@@andrew4363 this is an epic moment in history

[@andrew4363]

Brandon Scott precisely, no such thing as to much Dolly Parton

[@pieguyandfries5401]

I’m glad they decided to redo this middle ground, way better discussion with the participants than the first time they talked about pro choice/pro life

[@SaloniSingh19]

this was such a healthy discussion. *Jubilee, now you know why we love you*

[@virn4699]

Even though I’m Pro choice, I really respected the other side in this conversation. Everyone made good points and was respectful. Nice video!

[@marlaacolee]

Yea same usually most people are saying some things like “but that’s a humans life” and making invalid points

[@ashleygutierrez6374]

Cookie Jammer nobody here is trying to start a fight??? Just saying their opinions ?

[@piperharrison5953]

me too

[@terminatedaccount8198]

This was probably their most heated topic and yet everyone was so kind

[@JoshSuperGamer]

@Krista Star yikes

[@ronniecortell47]

Natalie & Timmerie were my favorite from this conversation. Natalie is so real, I can definitely see her as an educator or mentor for young people. & she’s so cute, I love her hair! I definitely judged Timmerie before she started talking and thought that she would be the pushy one but she was so understanding and empathic but still kept her opinions. This whole discussion was so beautiful.

[@claireindigo1200]

Dyani D exactly

[@ginandromeda1618]

My thoughts, definitely. I hope they bring them back for other conversations. Specially Natalie

[@aaronhiggins986]

I like how you can tell who’s pro choice just by looking at them

[@theguywho-hn3gh]

Lmao

[@hello-sz7hp]

@@theguywho-hn3gh You probably also think that it's ok for high school and college students to be allowed to learn chemistry too 🤡🤡🤡

[@anotheruselesshuman1639]

Just some things I realised when looking through comments. 1. Don't bring religion into this, it won't help. It can explain why you believe in a certain thing but it's useless to defend why it should be pro-life or pro choice. 2. Pro choice isn't all about abortion. They want to give woman the OPTION. If a woman is raped and is pregnant should pro life really force her to have to go through the severe pain of giving birth to a child they didn't ask for and most likely will never love, and give it up for adoption. 3. Pro life is about keeping every fetus alive because they are living beings, if the mother doesn't want it she can put it up for adoption and the child might find a loving family. And if the mother keeps the baby and after a little while is happy she kept the baby and not abort it then that's great. 4. It's wrong to force someone into a situation they are not comfortable in. It's wrong to force your religion on someone in situations where they need actual advice and not religious beliefs.

[@design7054]

"They want to give woman the OPTION" - Yes exactly, pro-choice is about selfishness.

[@mika-nk7hw]

@@design7054 it's not about selfishness it is her body let her choose

[@fuhoshis]

@@design7054 so I'm guessing you rather have a child abused than them not having to worry about living in a dangerous life

[@gooseq3488]

It’s there fault for getting pregnant the only accept ion is if they get raped

[@stantwice2756]

Gooseq why are women shamed for getting pregnant? men never have to face any consequences regarding this and its always the women’s fault. its also kinda sexist telling women to not have sex if they dont want a child, so childfree women who dont ever want children srent allowed to have sex?

[@clemidiagotmanyhoes5767]

Jolene’s little brother watching this: 👁👄👁

[@usurper1091]

Cringe

[@theorangedinosaur4098]

@@usurper1091 wut?

[@will-iv8yq]

Exulansis look at your profile pic bro

[@istan9682]

@@will-iv8yq I have the same profile pic as him 😔

[@usurper1091]

@@will-iv8yq I don't know what you're trying to say, anime is cringe or just kaneki ken?

[@Brisbae]

every 'conversation' in 2019 is about how there needs to be a conversation.

[@liv1218]

lmao u forgot the secret sauce special word “CIVIL conversation” 😂 like the top 10 comments on any of these videos r “woooow everyone was so civil good job guys that’s amazing well done u guys r so respectful 👍” 😂😂

[@dorrian6462]

its true too. the people in the positions to have these conversations e.g. parents/teachers need to fully educate the young people they are around because it truly does have an impact. we all have sex, lets just get over the uncomfiness please haha

[@ggates5371]

Forcing women to give birth to children with major health problems isn’t just immoral. It’s sadistic. Some disorders are a lifetime of suffering. Nobody, with an ounce of decency, should want all pregnancies to go full term.

[@turtelbro1123]

Those are extremely rare cases and shouldn’t justify the 98% of woman who just abort their baby’s for personal convenience.

[@ventitpuddi]

@@turtelbro1123 there are many sobs stories from mothers and fathers who regret having children, so no wonder the 98% “personal convenience”

[@isaacmcauley6616]

who are you to say that a disabled person's life is not worth living?

[@mattewclubb5882]

Promoting rape is worse (pro choice) people

[@WongEthan-ge6pq]

​@@ventitpuddiThat is not supported by research, correct me if I'm wrong. Studies that follow mothers who went through full term pregnancy despite having considered abortion shows that a vast majority did not regret not having the abortion. They might struggle financially or emotionally but did not regret having the baby. Research also shows people who are struggling financially do not typically improve their situation after an abortion, meaning with or without the abortion, their circumstances don't change that much. Abortion is not a solution people think it is.

[@lyndseyrheaallen7064]

I don’t know why I expected this to be so heated, but I’m so pleasantly surprised to see this group of people speaking to each other with respect

[@caoilte8097]

So you are one of those people who have a profile picture of themselves under a setting sun. Interesting

[@lyndseyrheaallen7064]

Plato the Third Yes, Plato I enjoy a quality sunset

[@Passbu]

You’re surprised a group full of women and a pastor hoping to get more members agrees? SMH

[@itzelmontalvo6645]

The earth if flat debate was more heated😂💀

[@stars-gy9om]

The conversation that was had on this episode makes me feel so hopeful for our future and I only wish we had elected officials that cared for one another like these great people do on your show, our world would be a better place.

[@royal3880]

There is no profit from solutions in America. Fear and Conflict is however.

[@onwun4292]

Imagine a Congress like this

[@Princess101C]

You all should do a millennials vs gen z. I’d love to see that!

[@AC-mn3zd]

Caylin Gibson YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@ss5187]

@Caylin Gibson but vs in what? all of these are specific opinions vs the opposite opinions, millennials and gen z have many of the same opinions and some different, it has to be a topic to talk about. Not just different ages vs eachother. They have to vs eachother in a topic.

[@Princess101C]

S s lol I’m not a creative director it was just a suggestion boo.

[@ss5187]

@@Princess101C lmao true

[@lennyface8387]

@@ss5187 I think there would be a ton to talk about lol, but it wouldnt be anything that important which is why there is really no point in doing it.

[@paperpenn9923]

I love this video. I'm very strongly pro choice. But, I do understand the other side. Humans are complex creatures and I really think these conversations should be more widespread and less taboo. Timerlee (think that was her name) is someone who, although I may disagree with at points, I 100% respect in her opinion. At the end of the day we're all humans, we're all different, but we're all the same in so many ways. Just gotta love and empathize.

[@nathanialien2004]

I was avoiding this video cuz I thought it was gonna be a caos, but this surprised me...so calm and collected yes I love this

[@Yankee9771]

Crushing24/7 Badb Like the vegans video?

[@nathanialien2004]

Yup, «ThAtS nOt VeGaN»

[@aquasnippy]

Crushing24/7 Badb you mean chaos

[@priciladelgado3412]

I also hate chaos and fights.

[@cindyluuu]

True, I saw the one of the vegans vs meat eaters and I thought it was gonna be the same as that one, but omg both of them were so respectful and had such great points, I loved it

[@phobaby4964]

We’ve been saying this for SO long, Flat-Earthers vs Actual Scientist

[@spartankidfilms9498]

Phở Baby Probably taking a while to find flat earthers

[@nickiev1745]

@Cece Ruben scientists who don't specialize in the cosmos yes, but there are 0 astronomers that believe in flat earth

[@Emietmolaisa2012]

there would be no debate...

[@zinho9169]

They announced that that's going to be an episode already

[@caseh4235]

And I've been saying this for SO long, that's fact vs fiction, not ideology vs ideology. You could do conspiracy theorists vs conspiracy deniers, or something like that.

[@jimmybopped1154]

They really should’ve went further with Jolene’s statement about “when is a baby a baby”. It’s strongest argument in the entire video and actually is the revolving reason of abortion argument even existing.

[@tarisae]

As one pro choice person, it depends on if another living creature is inside your body or not.

[@xiaxiyan6158]

Personally, it’s when brain activity begins.

[@bronzejourney5784]

@@xiaxiyan6158 Thats the thing, it can not be personally, because it is science. And science dont have an answer for this question yet. So we are not killing babies while aborting, we just dont know what we are ''ending''. And it is a valid enough reason to not call it murder, logically at least.

[@jimmybopped1154]

non XD

[@jimmybopped1154]

BronzeJourney but “science” proves life begins at conception.

[@cringyeditsasf5897]

I love how respectful they all were

[@anastasiaocejo7829]

What I think is that it’s called pro choice not pro abortion for a reason. Pro choice people don’t necessarily want people to have abortions we just think everyone should have the option, because why should we be controlling the lives of other women when we don’t know the situation that they r currently going through. Edit: what I’m trying to say is that it’s the women’s choice if she wants to have an abortion ok if she doesn’t ok I don’t want to choose it for her

[@Redmonki184]

@@user-br3fk8dx8o ok yes the child has no choice but what if the unborn child ruins the womans life, do u care about that? Its possible she has no choice in being pregnant. It's her choice what she does with her life and body. Also it's possible the baby will have a horrible life that's just not fair for anyone in my opinion.

[@anestassia6346]

I always thought it weird that it's called pro-choice while the other side is pro-life. The opposite of life is death, calling it pro-choice is like a marketing tactic to avoid focusing on the fact that a life is being ended. I'm pro life but that doesn't make me anti-choice... I believe the mother has the choice to contraception, adoption, motherhood, or abstinence... the only choice I'm not ok with is the termination of another life. You can live your life however you want but abortion is taking away the baby's constitutional right to live. A life doesn't have the right to take another life.

[@gaysalamandy]

1 2 so, do you support the idea of forcing people to donate blood, plasma, even organs? i mean, you don’t want people with wombs to have bodily autonomy because stripping them of their autonomy would save a life. why not just rip organs out of people to save lives? why not take that healthy adult down to the hospital and drain a pint or two of blood? why stop at forcing birth?

[@lotobloom9768]

Exactly!!

[@tink6225]

@@anestassia6346 well if you're not ok with termination then you're not pro choice because termination is a *choice*

[@bludsucka5065]

I recommend, “Do all virgins think the same?”

[@mollybyrd7001]

Well obviously no

[@reinaortiz6057]

No, everyone is a virgin at some piont. So, I don't really get it.

[@leih6629]

Like, everyone is virgin to some age so?

[@CraftingWithTopaz]

@@mollybyrd7001 That's why they would have that episode. To see what they agree and disagree on.

[@mollybyrd7001]

Topaz Brown well duh 😂

[@runningcoyote9972]

this debate need to go to the next level. please bring The Poor, The Mid and The Rich to talk about Pro-Choice and Pro-Life

[@tianajennings4935]

Who here today after the US just announced half of our states being Banned from abortion!!??

[@mattewclubb5882]

All those babies who were almost aborted will be saved and they will be happy to be alive.

[@biac327]

⁠@@mattewclubb5882not really… my mom hates me a lot. she says she wishes i was never alive.

[@mattewclubb5882]

@@biac327 have you ever tried calling child support? Or are you just making this up? I’m not saying every mother is going to love their children a lot don’t, what I’m saying that most babies that were almost aborted would be saved and would be greatfull to be alive.

[@biac327]

@@mattewclubb5882 they came over for other reasons but, like, when they came, they asked questions with us all in the same room. why would i admit anything with my mom there.... i don't. really know where i stand. i just wish my mom loved me. iim sorry

[@CUlataKatie]

it’s actually very brave of these women to share their own abortion stories, opening themselves up to criticism and hate. abortion is such a private and emotional and traumatic thing and i’m really impressed. edit: let me clarify since some people are completely misunderstanding what i said. i never said abortions themselves were brave, i said sharing their stories is brave, which is proven by all the hate in this reply thread, and the other comments. i am pro choice, but not pro abortion. i’ve never met anyone who WANTS an abortion, and is excited for it.

[@young3kgs260]

Are you foreal have you not been to a pro choice rally

[@ftbreptiles]

Abortion is a huge subject and people on the media are praised for having an abortion

[@cathiefaith1434]

In a world full of liberals how is it impressive? They are not brave. They are not special. They are victims to a lie. People go get abortions “for fun” if it was such a “traumatic thing” why is the pro choice rally so, happy?

[@young3kgs260]

@@cathiefaith1434 facts

[@depressobean623]

@@cathiefaith1434 I don't entirely agree with you. The pro-life and pro-choice sides are equally matched, and I imagine that both pro-choice and pro-life people clicked on this video to see how their own views were represented. These women are opening themselves up to criticism from people who don't agree with abortion, and there are likely people on both sides of the argument who might go into extremes about their beliefs. The tattooed woman expressed some regret at her actions as well, and she made it clear that she was forced to have this abortion for reasons related to her financial and domestic situations. She certainly didn't get the abortion "for fun."

[@lelelov]

I always get so nervous to watch an episode with such a heavy topic. But you are sparking conversation and doing it so all sides are heard and respected. In this day and age I appreciate and admire that so much.

[@shokoshika]

I would like to see a higher degree of expertise on this subject. Not only advocates but people of science and philosophy, law makers and doctors. I think the topic deserves it.

[@Eva-wt6lv]

Definitely

[@Skapo]

Yup! Totally agree here. It's extremely frustrating to not see actual experts chiming in. Especially in this case because the anti-choice narratives are legitimately going to cost people their lives if given more of a platform.

[@raidiar2021]

You gotta admit they made some good points despite not being professionals, just the way they talked with each other was a good enough example for everyone to see.

[@Cookiesrfood]

You do know there are lawyers, philosophers, scientists, and doctors who are pro-life as well as those who are pro-choice lol

[@Skapo]

@@Cookiesrfood And how many of the pro-life crowd base said stances on empirical data without some call to the divine? You'll find that already tiny number (at least among subject relevant professionals) dives down IMMENSELY with people basing their opinion on observable evidence and not on religious predisposition.

[@durban55]

This was the best middle ground I’ve seen. Everyone is so respectful and knowledgeable.

[@deboraha1904]

the pastor guy was really cool. he didnt bring up religion, he brought the constitution to the table.

[@Noah-rq3xt]

deborah a but he’s still a male and so he has no say in what a woman does with her body

[@ssjraikage7874]

phantom diaries the man absolutely needs a say. it’s not just the woman that makes up the baby. Half of that baby is made up of the man. It’s called sperm. Go back to middle school and take a sex Ed class.

[@thinkgreenlovepurple]

@@Noah-rq3xt I agree with you. However, the fetus has its own body. And secondly, this also means that men have no right to force abortion on women. Unfortunately, polarization on this issue has caused pro-choice advocates to fight against legislation that would protect women from forced abortions. And men who are pro-abortion are praised...

[@erd1017]

@@Noah-rq3xt It takes two to conceive a child.

[@cheyennelarue5444]

@@Noah-rq3xt I noticed u have been going around commenting ur thoughts upon this topic and u always seem to be aggressive but I think u didn't even bother watching the video to find middle ground.

[@mariahwilliams394]

This group was so respectful 👏 this topic can get very intense. As a pro-choice believer often times u felt like many wouldnt listen to my viewpoints and acknowledge that we are not in a perfect world with perfect resources available. This was one of the main points i agreed with

[@jessican6451]

Noting will ever beat a vegan vs. Meat eater video

[@twood12301]

I think many people against it are the people who have way more privilege than most.

[@kevinvergara7445]

Tommy Tootsters Ah, so that’s why there’s so many people living in poverty with kids huh?

[@twood12301]

@@kevinvergara7445 I was saying people against abortion usually have more privilege. I think if the parent genuinely isnt emotionally or even financially ready to have a child, they should have an abortion. But as a man I really dont have the authority to tell a woman she should or shouldnt have one.

[@sammy8368]

Tommy Tootsters i agree completely with you, the laws being made in America are by those who have a lot of privilege and power and those supporting them typically have the necessities to raise a child

[@NeedsMoreTriangle]

Now why can't politicians act like this

[@tiffsaver]

Politicians only make decisions that will further their political careers, nothing more.

[@milliejay1451]

@@tiffsaver that is not true. Believe it or not, politicians are acting on what they believe to be right. Unfortunately that is only what one person believes is right. Everyone else can disagree but politicians always believe what they’re doing is right.

[@tiffsaver]

@@milliejay1451 SOMETIMES politicians act on what they "believe to be right," but that is extremely rare. Here's the problem: All politicians and judges are bought and paid for by the big corporations and the banks. Without their support and millions of dollars in payoffs they would be nothing, sitting in their basements like some president-elects that I know. Americans are totally deceived by advertisements and the mass media, including wearing paper face masks and watching their lives and businesses being destroyed and told to "Stay at home!!" by the same mayors and governors who are partying on their private jets with their friends and families, jetting all over the world on our tax money. Don't listen to everything the government tells you.

[@milliejay1451]

@@tiffsaver ahh see that’s where I got confused. I’m not from the US. No offence but our government is slightly more functioning and a little less corrupt (top 10 least corrupt countries)

[@Purviloveslife]

They're too busy killing ppl off and trying to control the planet

[@chrisstamper8814]

I love this format of open dialogue, debate. Thank you Jubilee for making this possible!

[@fff5572]

Why do people always assume no birth control was used? People can get pregnant even while protected

[@leoza8901]

Pregnancies while on birth control are nearly 0 percent. 99.7 percent of the time birth control work as intended.

[@thepaperclipcolossus_3515]

It is unlikely thou

[@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690]

Well if you get pregnant using proper birth control that child is meant to be

[@ylvazora7065]

@@leoza8901 my sisters biggest fear was it to get pregnant. So she take birth contoll pills every day and allways had sex with a condom. When she forgott a pill she dont wants to have sex. But she get pregnant. It was unbelivebal for her and she first wonder why she gets bigger and bigger. Because she had her period. Then the doctor said she has 2 uterus and birth controll doesnt work then

[@ethan3282]

@@thepaperclipcolossus_3515 yup veryyyyyy unlikely

[@ArcOfficial]

People who believe in ghosts vs. people who don't. You could also do this with aliens.

[@lansley8621]

For the aliens what questions would you ask them? Other than the obvious

[@BabyKylis]

Arc Official no

[@juniorgomez7608]

Illegal aliens?

[@ArcOfficial]

@@juniorgomez7608 no

[@ArcOfficial]

@@lansley8621 lmao no clue.

[@Evelynn1991]

The girl with the blonde curly hair is very articulate she has a great way of navigating conversations and getting the right points across while understanding those she may disagree with

[@deannahenry8925]

Yeah

[@arianerosel109]

i agree

[@edgargarcia2487]

I agree she’s awesome!

[@goldenrule8706]

@@edgargarcia2487 common denominator shocked you?!?! (12)

[@giarichards1529]

Yes! She was spitting!!!!!

[@natarixo9965]

Education is the best thing for prevention next to abstinence