Pro-Life Christian vs Pro-Choice Leftist on Roe & Abortion | Guest: Brandan Robertson | Ep 612

Today we're happy to welcome Pastor Brandan Robertson to the show to discuss and debate the issue of abortion. Brandan represents the pro-choice side of things and gives his thoughts on Roe v. Wade being overturned as well as what he thinks laws regarding abortion should look like. We end up debating the theological and scientific question of when life begins, and although things get a little intense at times, it's so important that Christians with differing views are able to come together for civil discussion and debate.
Note: There were a few times in the conversation when Brandan was trying to interject, but his audio didn't come through due to Skype settings that are meant to prevent audio feedback. This was not intentional on our part; once we noticed, we briefly stopped the interview to fix the issue.
#BrandanRobertson #RoeVWade #Abortion #AbortionDebate #Theology #Politics #News
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Previous Episodes Mentioned:
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Ep 289: Trump vs. Biden 2020: Abortion apple.co/3w6mBQG
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Ep 527: Healing From Abortion & Using Your Story for Good | Guest: Victoria Robinson apple.co/39yQukN
Ep 594: The Pro-Choice Movement Takes Its Dying Breath | Guest: Lila Rose apple.co/3P32hZ6
Ep 610: If Roe Ends, the Fight Over Abortion Just Begins | Guest: Josh Hammer apple.co/3MWLNzB
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Pro-Life Christian vs Pro-Choice Leftist on Roe & Abortion | Guest: Brandan Robertson | Ep 612

[@AllieBethStuckey]

Yes, life begins at conception. www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins quillette.com/2019/10/16/i-asked-thousands-of-biologists-when-life-begins-the-answer-wasnt-popular/

[@Telkor]

Speaking of John the Baptist - “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb”.-Luke 1:15 Babies are people in the womb. Clumps of cells or "not yet a person" type arguments do not explain how God could fill a person with His Spirit while still in the womb.

[@Post-Trib]

The right to your body ends where another begins. If people don't have the right to life then they have no rights at all

[@maxmustermann1206]

I understand what you mean by those terms, but please be careful when using those terms. Conception used to be synonymous with fertilization. But those definitions have changed in recent editions of Stedman's Medical Dictionary. The uniting of the sperm and the egg is now called fertilization. Conception is now defined as the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus. "Until recently, conception was synonymous with fertilization. In fact, in the 26th edition of Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, conception was defined as the “act of conceiving, or becoming pregnant; fertilization of the oocyte (ovum) by a spermatozoon to form a viable zygote.”5 Conception was defined as the time of fertilization. However, something interesting happened in the next five years. In the 27th edition of Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, conception is defined as follows: “Act of conceiving; the implantation of the blastocyte in the endometrium.” answersingenesis.org/sanctity-of-life/when-does-life-begin/ Thought you might like that article since you will be speaking there next year.

[@ashleycnossen3157]

Allie, this guy and guys like him are blind to reason. I think the best approach would be to have your data against him ready and build your case to strengthen your viewers rather than trying to change his mind and letting him get under your skin.

[@whatgodhasdone6609]

Wishing you had this up to cite during the conversation. Would’ve loved to hear his rebuttal.

[@zoripadilla5216]

I was told as early as 8 weeks to abort my baby because my life was in “danger” and my baby, if I decided to keep, would be a vegetable or have all sorts of issues. We decided to trust God, the giver of life. Against all odds we decided to keep the pregnancy. Yes, my son was born prematurely at 28 weeks but he survived. Not only did he survived but he’s a healthy 14 year old weighing 180 lbs and measuring 5’9” All glory to God!

[@baryntn41]

Wonderful!

[@madcow9421]

Voddie bauchan… he’s a great big viper in a diaper. An object of wrath for destrcution… right? That’s why god gave him life

[@openhearts5000]

So happy for you and your son! Praise the Lord!!

[@Scrappymuscle]

Amen I was premature as well and I know it was the grace and mercy and love of God that I survived me and my mom both. Because when she had me she had toxemia and it's only by the grace of God that we lived. Stay encouraged keep on going be blessed

[@MistyEry]

Awesome testimony. I often hear of misdiagnosis from doctors who say the child is often in danger and it’d Amazon to see how many times these babies are born healthy. Imagine if we trusted God as a nation rather than our fears and our anxieties.

[@C31living]

I was raped and told to Abort.. I did not and now I have a young man who is looooooove with Jesus! What the devil uses for pain God turns into a blessing! All for our good and HIS GLORY!

[@tyrellenicolenamhing3744]

😭What a beautiful testimony. I am sorry you had to endure that. However, we give God ALL the praise and Glory for the life of your son. 🙏

[@QueeniceaO.E-qi3bv]

Wow. What a beautiful testimony. Similar to Francine Rivers books called the Atonement child

[@marieanne286]

Thank you for being a good person after all the bad that happened to you. You are amazing and I'm so glad your child gets to enjoy the joys of life.

[@sansquantum2506]

COPIUM

[@NANDOEDITZ2023]

Amen!!!! Thank you Jesus❤

[@speakdaneil6769]

"that thing that you call a baby" my jaw dropped...I just can't believe he said that. 😳 The heart of humanity is really wicked and deceitful.

[@dananderson6697]

That guy also calls himself a pastor, and consistently says garbage like "Jesus was a racist, and learned to repent of his racism." He's the absolute text-book definition of a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.

[@Gwenny712]

I’m convinced that this guy is a demon in human form cause all that comes out of his mouth is unadulterated blasphemy.

[@henryconner780]

@@dananderson6697 Is he even in sheeps clothing at this point? Honestly

[@dananderson6697]

@@henryconner780 I know what you mean. Unfortunately, as long as he persists in calling himself a Christian and trying to teach his nonsense using scripture, the term applies.

[@carrie_k]

This man is a joke, and should take back his claim to be a true follower of Christ Yeshua. SICK SICK SICK 💔💔

[@bipaholic]

The problem is much deeper than the “abortion” issue. We live in a society that does not value life.

[@dmeek20]

And a society that does not consider the outcome and consequences of its actions. Sex is desired and sought after by all. Sex is the very process through which life is created. Abortion is the extermination of consequences. We live in a society that only values its own, individual life

[@sdoherty5988]

So true. We have become a fornicating society. This is all about having sex without consequences.

[@Kassadinftw]

Under those who reject God, life is only worth anything if it is strong enough to self sustain (survival of the fittest). Which is satanic. This is why arguing over this issue becomes so intense. Also why the same pro baby killers are also fine with medical death boards to decide when elderly arent worth the effort.

[@jonatand2045]

@@dmeek20 Sapients over non-sapients is an easy call to make.

[@charlesleroi8559]

I another word They love NOT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

[@fiifiappiah7193]

I won't say much but, the little I'll say is this guy is not a Christian. Let's just pray for him

[@daviddeulofeuiantunez7712]

Lol shut up

[@dixyf]

No he’s not. And the sad thing is, he’s leading a lot of people right to hell.

[@dmeek20]

My sheep know my voice. The good shepherd will not lose one of His flock. These false teachers help to separate wheat from chaff. Pray for his salvation and repentance and that God will give those whom he has influenced ears to hear

[@KM-zn3lx]

Fifi...My sister is prochoice yet says Jesus this and that. She says she's a devout Catholic. my sister in law says she's an evangelical Christian yet staunchly supports abortion. I don't think they're Christians but the devil has convinced them they are!

[@maggiekh89]

Ugh yes thank you… this was hard to even listen to because of his baseless views

[@kalnedlewil2897]

When I got pregnant at 18 my baby had a deformity in his brain and my doctor told me every week during my heck up that I should abort . We had everything and everybody set in place to handle his deformity and the day before I gave birth my last weekly ultrasound at 37weejs the deformity disappeared all my doctor said was “I guess it was a shadow “ it wasn’t a shadow it was in every ultrasound every week and growing so god healed him ! He’s almost 20 urs old beautiful perfect young man

[@mfolson81]

Thank you for choosing life and for sharing your story. God is so good!

[@Ilovegod540]

Praise God!!!!

[@rachelerickson108]

Why does he want to see a decrease in abortion rates if it's not a baby? If it's not a life or moral issue then why does he want to see less of them?

[@meljon3905]

That’s a good point

[@Coopcasto]

His “argument” was full of holes and contradictions. But I’m not surprised after looking up who he is. Sad.

[@LadyWillanger]

Exactly what I was going to say! It’s like when pro-choicers wanted to make abortion “safe, legal and rare.” Why would they care if it was rare? If it’s just a blob of cells and not the killing of a human being, then who cares? In saying that, they inadvertently admit the undeniable humanity of the child and the moral crime that occurs when innocent life is stomped out.

[@arlyssefurlow3397]

You make a very good point.

[@heidimiller656]

This jumped out at me right away!! If abortion isn't wrong why does seeing the number of abortions performed decrease matter at all?

[@nicholreinford2311]

My mouth dropped open when he said a baby wasn't a human until 20 weeks. I remember seeing and hearing my daughter's heart at 6 weeks. Just wow!

[@kristenbeaty1835]

Seriously. Him shaking His head no. Um sir, SIR…are you a mother. Have you seen your child and heard you child and felt your child love inside of you? No so stop shaking your head.

[@jonatand2045]

A heart is just pump made of muscle, it cannot think.

[@annabellessweetdreams3787]

@@jonatand2045 The heart is just a flutter at 6 weeks that is controlled by the brain, you have one right? check in to this and get the story right.

[@jonatand2045]

@@annabellessweetdreams3787 A barely formed brain cannot do much thinking, if any at all. That is why the mother is more important than the fetus.

[@KeganVanSickle]

@@jonatand2045 Give it a couple weeks. It doesn't matter if they can't think. It's still a human fastly developing.

[@justinmcnaughton3016]

This woman's epic!! Wow. Praise God for powerful bold Christians

[@kenwelker7472]

Biologically the zygote (once the sperm and egg genes combine) produces distinct protein polysaccharide markers on all of the cell membranes that are different from the mother's. The mother's antibodies would actively destroy the embryo if the placenta did not protect this new, separate human. This is one of many reasons scientifically, a new living human is defined at the time of conception.

[@ameliac504]

Lets gooo

[@lub8815]

Otherwise known as fertilization. Implantation is not conception regardless of how some MAN changes the terminology. An implanted fetus was already conceived when fertilized.

[@owlfethurz8377]

Ken Welker, thanks for your insights; I am pro life because of God's word, and I am also starting to learn the biological part of understanding when life begins. I agree, the living human at the time of conception.

[@owlfethurz8377]

Correction: at the time of fertilization.

[@pbmechura]

The first link states clearly that life begins at fertilization, not implantation. Which would mean every woman who has done IVF is discarding of and freezing human beings. Either a murderer or evil. Is this incorrect?

[@SundayVibesmusic]

I remember hearing my sons heartbeat for the first time and seeing my son jump around 12-14 weeks for the first time. That lil nose and forehead🥰 we posted his picture on our fridge and looked at him everyday. I played piano and music for him constantly. My wife’s body change and we began feeling him kick and respond to our voices. So many of our friends also felt him kicking and seeing him move before he was even born. When he was born it wasn’t like we met him..it was more of just confirmation that the little baby we felt and saw on a tiny screen was in fact that same baby we heard crying for the first time upon delivery. He’s over a year old now and his persona, attitude, and energy did not simply come from the time he spent with us at home..but it was an extension of everything he was already showing us during my wife’s pregnancy. Just at 8 weeks alone I could not believe just how alive he really was..not just in our hearts but literally moving and hearing his heart beat. I’m sure he had dreams. When I hear about abortion it sickens me to think some people don’t consider someone like my son before delivery to actually be a human..or living. It’s sickening to think so many precious babies didn’t get to see light, didn’t get to jump up and down in the dirt..didn’t get to smile for family photos because their life was ended way too short. It’s one thing for a baby not to make it all the way to delivery..it’s another evil for grown adults to purposely stop that Precsious baby from living. Thank God our baby made it and was born healthy…it’s a dream come true❤️

[@julianbigelow2794]

In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state. Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them. If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug. Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.

[@dianawebb2799]

What a Beautifully written summary of the beautiful life of your son. He is Blessed to have such lovely parents like you and your wife. God Bless you all.❤🙏

[@randomperson5817]

God bless you and god bless your son and your wife.

[@minhchaubuingoc8384]

Everything is a love issue. Those pro-abortion people are selfish and don’t love anyone but themselves. They will kill even their child and deny their existence just because the child is inconvenient

[@benwolk2028]

32:00 "I'm not going to emotionalize this issue....I stand with the millions of people who agree with me." This guy is unbelievable. In one breath he denounces "emotionalism" and then immediately cites random "popular opinion" as the rationale for his position.

[@notme9881]

im definitely not in his numbers for sure.

[@dinosar9230]

I actually like that this false teacher is getting confronted.

[@Sam_T2000]

ABS is on fire here… thank God for people like her.

[@elizabethkelley9259]

Me too!

[@ntmn8444]

Amen!! We need to expose these woke leftist usurpers. They are anything but Christian.

[@Coopcasto]

Yes!

[@abigailowens4290]

What do you mean “actually”? No one is saying otherwise

[@faithbasedliving9391]

As a Christian, we don’t claim him. Brandon, stop calling yourself one, it’s offensive towards those who are.

[@paintpray5497]

I completely agree.

[@alstroemeria227again4]

Yes! 🙌🏽

[@AliensAnonymous]

Jesus loves him. You hate him. -- You have no Truth

[@AliensAnonymous]

@Randy Hardin You get that from a fortune cookie at Panda Express?

[@AliensAnonymous]

@Randy Hardin Hmm... So it's not the Truth. It's your version. I know Jesus said you shouldn't expect the Truth will bring peace.

[@christsotsoros]

No offense, but no one should be giving this guy any validation or airtime. That being said, you did great.

[@JoyNoelle.]

THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT, YES

[@diegojaime2701]

Agreed. Only way to keep him and his twisted message to himself.

[@brittybee6615]

It’s a lesson in how to deal with people making bad arguments.

[@jennifermaxwell98]

He is brainwashed by evil ....

[@romans1vs6teen]

I have always taken notice at how often Brandan says "as a pastor" and "as a Christian". Every person he talks to he is constantly reminding them that he has the moral high ground because he is representing Christ. Sadly, everything he stands for is what Jesus died for. To have your church named Metanoia Church and openly celebrate sin is a clear sign of the times we now live in. They will not only practice such things but give approval and celebrate those who practice them.

[@kristenbeaty1835]

I was telling my husband about this and I said the same thing. Ironically he named His church Metanoia but He is an false teacher, in deep deception and has NOT repented for His sin and teaches others to embrace and accept theirs. 💔

[@chandlerrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

💔

[@tizute]

Yes! And for a supposed Christian pastor, I don't think he used any scripture to back up his position...along with his "science" unlike Allie always bringing it back to not only the worth of the baby but the scriptures and might I add real science to to defend her position.

[@kristenbeaty1835]

@@tizute He didn’t use any scripture. he’s preaching out of his emotions and feelings and not trusting in Gods word.

[@Kassadinftw]

The most relevant text to current church problems seems to be 1 Cor. 5. Sinful behavior is being openly celebrated in the church. Paul would be going ham on this nonsense, we should too.

[@patriciabergeron3144]

There's no way this guy can be a pastor and think like he does. He's on the Wide Road, and so is anyone who follows him. God Help them!

[@MmM20978]

Yep. He would of been burned at the stake years ago.

[@jwright6341]

Totally agree, we need to pray for him and for all of his followers. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

[@MmM20978]

@@jwright6341 Yep. Know your Scripture. Yesterday I had Mormons at my door saying there wasn’t a Hell when Jesus spoke often of Hell. False teachers have a litttle bit of truth and can twist it in the slightest most cunning way looking like light but lead you away from Christ.

[@markwhite116]

He is most definitely preaching a false gospel. Mike Winger goes through some of his teachings. It's really sad.

[@roieis]

What is the “Wide Road”?

[@maryhildebrandt486]

When she starts insisting he quote science to support his stance, he says she’s making it emotional. When I was pregnant with my daughter at ten weeks she would kick enough for me to feel every time she heard running water.

[@nicolesobol936]

I’ll never understand how you can claim “Christian” but support abortion. He is a preacher? I feel horrible that this man is leading people astray.

[@Novelera05]

That’s what the Bible calls a “false prophet”. Mathew 7:15

[@BidenSUCKSS]

He thinks he is a pastor, simply by buying an online license.

[@megofiachra3247]

He’s a wolf. 2Peter 2.

[@Soaptoaster]

You'll know them by their fruit.......his fruit is rotten to the core.

[@williamyoung9874]

Brandan Roberson is a Proud Practicing Homosexual who claims to be a Pastor! That pretty much says it all!

[@pianogal853]

I totally commend him for being on with you! His arguments don't hold truth, and you confronted him hard. Thank you for trying!

[@MmM20978]

Yes we all have accountability as Christians to speak truth to one another otherwise any teacher bringing in a false gospel is considered a false teacher. We don’t call sin as abortion is a “ choice”.

[@jothePianoMaster13]

Why commend him. He wanted a chance to justify killing unborn children and convincing others it is okay in the process. Why are you people so naive. Not everyone deserves praise.

[@jothePianoMaster13]

If someone was debating with an actual racist you would not commend the racist for coming on but you would agree that the fact that he holds his position makes him a bad person to the core. Stop encouraging the wicked to continue being wicked

[@jothePianoMaster13]

We are talking about the murder of unborn children in the womb and after being provided correction to his beliefes he still held to them. He is an evil man and should be acknowledged as such.

[@jothePianoMaster13]

You are evil when you commend evil.

[@spencer1854]

When she ends by saying "I'm glad that you are here and I'm glad your mom chose life," you can see the gears turning in his head. I feel like that is what it comes all comes down to, and is why I lean towards pro life: God can and will turn a horrible situation, that might seem hopeless, helpless or dark, into a beautiful story of growth, perseverance, love and LIFE, for those who trust in Him and Him alone to provide.

[@Lin-gv3fi]

Brandan Roberts is in for a big shock when he stands before Christ.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

This is sadly true 😢

[@ЭляК-с4у]

Exactly 🤕 he needs to repent. He's making a big mistake of calling himself a Pastor/Theologian. We need to pray for him 🙏🏼 his other videos are preaching false teaching and taking God's word out of context.

[@NHarts21]

Pray for him to see the truth.

[@shellyslioneyes]

And he will bow.

[@kaseyfife5126]

And he needs prayer. He's so sadly lost, and leading so many to the same place. I hope he finds the truth before he has to explain to Jesus why he called him racist. We all have sinned and fall short, but repentance means remission. I hope he finds it before its too late.

[@motorTranz]

"There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to Him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,…" Proverbs 6:16-17

[@ybh8ful]

yeah, I wish she had asked him what he thought about the 'shedding of innocent blood', because he was nodding at that point.

[@KRashad]

@motorTranz Touché! All three of those were present on one side of that argument. It cannot be denied.

[@SD-fh7rj]

God bless you, Allie. We need more like you. Only the work of the Holy Spirit could make it possible for you to remain composed and rational while talking to that guy.

[@jennesset1102]

Allie, the opening of this segment was beautiful. You addressed the potential mothers and post-abortive women with grace and love. God bless.

[@jacquiclarke7300]

I agree, beautifully done ❤️

[@buffcake22]

Yes I started off listening with tears of love welling up for her articulate proposal of Gods grace is ever sufficient. So beautiful and of course true.

[@CarlosLopez-uk5tb]

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5

[@lorysipel6823]

❤️

[@Hillcountry_Homemaker]

I was just about to say this…👶🏼

[@MmM20978]

I love how Allie uses Science to back up the different stages of a tree. Those who love divisions in the Church use dwelling words and feed their own belly’s. No truth in this guy!

[@StevenAakre]

Meanwhile this false teacher doesn't consider it a tree till it's full grown.....how does he even reconcile that in his mind?

[@MmM20978]

@@StevenAakre Many love the lie to justify their own sin instead of the truth, that’s how.

[@beththoreson9216]

Allie Beth you nailed it! You have biology and theology on your side.

[@kathyyodertreat]

Think about this FACT: "You still have the same heart that began beating in your mother's womb" You were YOU, even in the womb. So, remember to thank your mother this Mother's Day, for CHOOSING to let YOU be LIVE and be born

[@madelineeathorne8561]

Amen!!!

[@julianbigelow2794]

In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state. Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them. If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug. Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.

[@bethanypellerin1237]

100%. You did not become a human being from the embryo. You WERE the embryo.

[@rescueferret8834]

Some people get heart transplants

[@NebraskaVacation]

Alley: "You cannot die until you've lived" That dude: "That's illogical" Me: 😂

[@kristenbeaty1835]

This one got me. His eyes are so blinded…

[@julianbisschops9161]

That was literally illogical.. only the living can die.. they will call evil good

[@Rainbows78]

Agreed Allie, my sonographer told me (at my 20 week appt) that my baby died in utero at 15 weeks. Obviously it was alive up until that point. We heard the heartbeat just a few weeks earlier. The anguish of a miscarriage was so intense as a mother losing her baby. I don’t know how we could give this life less value.

[@hollylilylarry8663]

@@Rainbows78 I'm so sorry for your loss! My daughter and her husband have gone through this. She still grieves.

[@lkae4]

@@Rainbows78 My mom once told us that she kept dreaming of our miscarried brother until she made a handsewn onesie for him and had a remembrance ceremony. Even after having 8 more of us, her heart ached for her lost baby.

[@danielc-s8056]

Thank you for hosting this debate. You did a wonderful job

[@bmills-qf8zy]

Pray for him, he is lost. Allie, kudos for having him on that takes a lot of perseverance to do that kind of interview. Maybe something u said will put a stone in his shoe.

[@Danimij]

Yes that is exactly what I am thinking as soon as the video began.

[@smashleyscott8272]

He's not deceived, he's a deceiver. He needs justice, not mercy.

[@heartofalegend]

When a person can read the Bible and come away with a God that affirms homosexuality, it's perfectly in line to also come away with a God who approves of the killing of the unborn. This video was Romans 1 playing out before us.

[@andrewwaewong]

Without an absolute standard, one is free to create morality, logic and God in their own image. Brandon: it is clear to see you are an apostate. I plead with you to open your eyes to the God of Scripture that you know exists. The only way you can be saved is to let your theology dictate your lifestyle and not the other way around.

[@JoyNoelle.]

Allie you are WISE beyond your years. I am SO THANKFUL for you

[@Danimij]

It does not matter what this man calls himself or says he is… he is LOST and doing the work of the devil. Period. Pray for his salvation because he is not saved.

[@jamesmckee4373]

So you are judging....... who gives you the right to judge?

[@ivyneas8709]

@@jamesmckee4373 James 5:19-20, 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, Hebrews 3:13

[@ebonyaddison3021]

@@jamesmckee4373 The Bible is clear about about false teachers. He is obviously not a Christian.

[@solieoso]

His father is Satan

[@jamesmckee4373]

@@ebonyaddison3021 Is that the issue? Whether he is a Christian is unimportant. We are talking about the law of the land. Is it moral to enforce your religious beliefs on others? Were not the founding fathers concerned about a separation of church and state?

[@hilaryhill5016]

Keep fighting the good fight! My MIL went to a Planned Parenthood 39 years ago, was up in the stirrups ready to have an abortion, but the doctor said she was too far along. (She later found out she wasn’t) She took that as a sign that she should have the baby. Thank God!!!! Because of this my husband is alive and we have 4 amazing kids who wouldn’t be here otherwise.

[@jong3404]

Love these stories

[@theresajaques9515]

I have a similar one. My MIL at 18 in 1946 became pregnant. Her sister and friends begged her to have an abortion but she just couldn’t do it. (Abortion has been around a long time!)I married her youngest of 6! My husband and I and my three kids cared for her as she became old. She passed away 2 years ago. She loved her kids but didn’t care for being a parent but she did the right thing and was blessed to have family all around her in her old age. She even said it was some of the happiest years of her life 😢

[@ashdivakaran9664]

Well said Allie, I struggle listening to Brandon without banging my head on the wall.

[@acholloway11]

As a nurse who has volunteered and worked in a pro life pregnancy center, I can attest that not one young lady that I was involved with that chose to abort her baby did so because of health reasons. The choice was primarily made because it did not fit into their plans or lifestyle. I would like to add that for most, this decision is very difficult and one they struggle with because they have been deceived by our culture and blinded by the father of lies. We see many that come back to us for help because they are emotionally and mentally wrecked after they have gone through with the abortion. My heart breaks for these young women who are now left with a choice that can't be reversed. We offer programs and counseling, among other resources, for these women. It is very sad.

[@erinr2496]

Yes, that is exactly what the research shows. I'm tired of most arguments focusing on all the other reasons. Primarily it's because it's inconvenient.

[@Kassadinftw]

Yeah, something like 95+% of abortions are elective only. Which means all their arguments about safe n' rare and muh mother's health are emotionally manipulative rather than based on actual numbers. So much for "follow the science", it would cost planned parenthood too much money.

[@julianbigelow2794]

Amanda Holloway. That is a great point. That brings me to an point of nuance regarding my opinion on abortion and when that is and is not the right choice. In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state. Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them. If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug. Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.

[@tersymatto]

So sad 😞

[@brandit2207]

You are very correct. I have also volunteered for many years now at a pregnancy center and I can say that not one of those women I've met who went on to have an abortion did so because of health risks.

[@Joe-gi3nj]

Him: “I want the abortion rate to be reduced” Allie: “how do you want to do that?” Him: “by making them more easily accessible”. And he had the gall to say your position is irrational…

[@carlab4868]

Completely illogical. That’s like saying you want to make less robberies by decriminalizing robbery.

[@lazerhawks]

"I want to see abortions reduced through xyz methods." My question is - why? If you don't think it's murder then what's the issue? Why not at least say you're totally neutral to the numbers if it's not a human person? They realize something smells bad with this issue, but they refuse to follow the logical ends of any of their arguments.

[@SillyChickens222]

Mystical religions (which are demonic - if it’s not of God, it’s of Satan) have contradicting points. Their ideals don’t make sense yet they try to make them make sense. That’s why when you are in Christ, you have beliefs that align with God’s will which is simple and and easy to understand.

[@rescueferret8834]

Have we not seen more accessible abortions along with more accessible birth control result in lower abortion rates in certain countries?

[@lazerhawks]

@@rescueferret8834 so do you believe it's murder?

[@trinityriverhomestead]

For the record, those on my side of the fence that tell Brandon his mom should've aborted him...need to remember our Lord knitted him together with a specific purpose that Brandon has not stepped into. And he is not out of time to step into it.

[@bekahhoskins4566]

People will literally fight harder for the destruction of "potential" sea turtles in laid eggs than they will for defined human life. I do appreciate brandon doing this debate with you but my heart physically aches for his darkened eyes. The last few days have been so exhausting. Keep pressing on! Do not lose hope. Do not let your staff fall!!!

[@ameliac504]

Preach

[@paige7012]

Thats exactly how i feel. It’s exhausting to watch darkness come to light. My sensitive heart is having a really hard time right now

[@veronicagheorghe528]

@@paige7012 , same here! Crying, fasting and praying for now…

[@jonatand2045]

Sea turtles aren't inside people and belong to society.

[@julianbigelow2794]

In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state. Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them. If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug. Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.

[@wandertree]

Allie, you did such a great job. Thank you so much for your courage confronting the evil of our day, even the evil that masquerades as Christianity.

[@elizabethwhittenberg2989]

I just found this video, and you go queen! You are so sharp, and intelligent, and have now gained another subscriber. Thanks so much sis!

[@mommy3bear6]

I had a miscarriage in 2012 and I seen my baby in the first trimester I was able to see the heart beat. Month later I miscarriage when I went to the hospital they told me I had a spontaneous abortion that my uterus was empty. I was heart broken when I got home that day I passed my baby and it looked human just very tiny . I blamed my self I had nothing but hate for myself. As mother the safest place for your baby should be your womb . So that event made me 100%pro life on a positive note my body was still acting pregnant a few weeks later I found out I was still pregnant that I was pregnant with twins and had miscarried one of them .I am grateful to God every day for him. Flash forward to today I am a Mother of 5 with a baby on the way. My husband and I could not be happier. Life starts at conception.

[@swyoutubeaccount]

I'm so sorry for your loss Thank you for sharing your experience

[@CoreyLennox]

Holy cow Allie you swept the floor with this debate! Also Brandon’s own argument refutes itself. The literal definition of life is the “potential” for growth and change. Potential is all that’s needed to qualify as a life.

[@rebeccavanruth8890]

He’s for this world. It’s so sad. He’s willing to stand with the millions of people but forsake the Bible. Makes my heart break. Allie, your passion was contagious. Keep up the great work.

[@blah7160]

Allie I just want to Thank You for the opening segment. As someone who has had an abortion and wont forgive herself I needed to hear that. Seriously thank you ❤️

[@leahemery5827]

You are forgiven and made new in the blood of Jesus. I love you!

[@amberpenningtonmusic]

This guy makes my brain hurt. Awesome job confronting him, Allie! Thank you for continuing to shine a light on TRUTH via your platform.

[@canigetanemail]

Yeah - its amazing that God has given some abundant patience to deal with people I personally prefer to ignore / avoid as starting to really appreciate how necessary these debates are - even the nonsensical debates about sex and gender - for the sake of the young, the innocent, the confused or naive, who these wolves target. They need to hear and be reminded of rational thought to rescue their minds from the aggressive brainwashing!

[@Pammy-v3p]

Life ends when your heart stops… so life begins when heart starts !💜

[@mashah1085]

So when doctors perform a heart transplant and put the patient on a heart-lung machine...that person's life is over?

[@TheHeggert]

The second he uttered the statistic that 70% of Americans feel abortion should be legal I thought of the verse, Let God be true and every man a liar. No "Christian" minister should give two flying leaps about what a majority of people think. In fact, that should give one pause. Walking the path of Christ is a narrow one.

[@rubylove9475]

💯 love every word of your comment!

[@rebukey]

“It has to live for it to die.” His response, “That is a completely illogical argument.” 🤦What?!?!

[@carlab4868]

His willful blindness is staggering. Every mother who has seen a moving baby and beating heart on an ultrasound and then that heart stops beating and you see a still baby in an ultrasound knows the truth about that death. It’s nonsensical to claim that child was never actually alive.

[@kristinrichmond8185]

Seriously, my jaw dropped.

[@bennyleverett2474]

Allie you did a great job one of the best interviews I’ve seen with this guy

[@mcmc2383]

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

ATTENTION PRO LIFERS! ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS ''When does person hood begin in pregnancy? '' Now if your answer is at conception because it has a different DNA I would argue what about the person suffering from Chimerism who has genomically different sets of cells, Would there be multiple people living inside of him? Because the criteria is fulfilled -Independent DNA and human cell

[@johnfoltz8183]

People cheered in New York when abortion up to birth was passed, but people went batsh*t when Texas passed a heartbeat bill

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

@@johnfoltz8183 No such thing as abortion up to birth dawg. Its federally banned check partial birth abortion ban act of 2003

[@johnryals9047]

Amen

[@Phoebe907]

This is the feistiest I’ve ever seen Allie, and I loved every minute! Best episode yet!

[@yvonnemarie6275]

May we all pray for this young "pastor's" heart to be turned to flesh by our one and only Living God. In the name of Jesus Christ, Lord hear our cries. This young man has had an amazing moment, that we all know of his existence and can pray for him every chance we get now. Amen! Stand firm, brothers and sisters.

[@katiesmith5149]

I struggle to find common ground to unite with “Christians” who can flippantly say that murdering unborn children is a general health practice. You impressed me with your ability to stick to your arguments and not give way to the “hyper emotionality” you were accused of displaying.

[@rightisrighter]

Looking into this guy a bit more makes it clear that he is living contrary to the bible in more ways than this. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@ameliac504]

Im not surprised. The conversation itself tells you that

[@c.chinaski3156]

The whole "Lazarus being called out from the tomb was an allegory that Jesus was calling his friend out of the closet & want's you to come out of the closet", to me, was the final nail in the coffin...

[@gso1279]

Tip of the iceberg I can’t believe she called him a Christian on this show. He called Jesus a racist! He said Jesus had to repent of his racism! Wtf this guy is not a Bible guy he hates the Bible and he doesn’t believe in the resurrection of Christ. He is not a Christian

[@dhowa862]

Almost every video on his TikTok page goes against the Bible.

[@LOT116]

That’s the first inconsistency of mr. Robertson - if abortion is OK then why should there be less of it?

[@Telkor]

This viability argument is so funny to me. A one year old baby outside the womb isn't viable on its own either. Lol. That baby still needs care and food and warmth and it's parents.

[@budgetnutritionist]

Bingo! Pro-choice advocates don't realize how close they are to condoning infanticide. It's truly the very next logical step.

[@Sam_T2000]

also, fetal viability is completely* subjective to medical technology in a given time and place. the definition of human life and humanity, and when it begins, must be objective and universal. the viability standard is arbitrary. **I suppose that again depends on the definition of viability… is a fetus viable if they need an incubator or some other machine to live outside the womb, or only need the mother’s care? I’d define viability as the ability to survive, with any level of assistance, as long as that assistance is able to be given… but regardless, the viability standard is still arbitrary, and therefore irrelevant.

[@dangeissinger4906]

I had the same thought.

[@ybh8ful]

same thing with 'autonomy'...we're all dependent on other people our entire lives. where do you get groceries? who supplied them? etc etc

[@JohnDoe-dr9ff]

People on life support are not “viable.” Many 30 year olds living at home are not “viable” as they are completely dependent on their parents for survival. An argument can be made people on welfare of any sort are not “viable” as they are incapable of taking care of themselves. If viability is the threshold of which to determine a life can be terminated, that is an simply a horrible argument.

[@andreasracha8185]

I've seen clips of this man before he isn't a Christian he needs Jesus.

[@SunshineRox007]

Is he not the tik tokker who said Jesus was racist as well?

[@Charles.Wright]

@@SunshineRox007 - he has said all sorts of crap.

[@Sam_T2000]

@@SunshineRox007 - why does he even claim to be a Christian? he doesn’t seem to believe or cherish any of the core tenants… so why not just go start his own religion, or just a “self-help” career?

[@andreasracha8185]

@@SunshineRox007 yes

[@c.chinaski3156]

@@Sam_T2000 I personally think he isn't a believer, & that he's kept himself tied to some semblance of Christianity, in order to try to bastardise & subvert it.

[@maitesilva2195]

It was so fun to see him get frustrated and her just keep beating his case, but it was also saddening to see how much people can be blind and how they can reject truth so bad

[@mrs.l1066]

He's worshiping the culture, and seems to want to be applauded by the world.

[@ameliac504]

Wolf in sheeps clothing

[@toolegittoquit_001]

He seeks approval of the world over approval from Christ. He will receive his just reward 😢

[@Shasha-jo5iv]

Stucky: please no ad hominem attacks. You:

[@NelmArt]

My goodness... his arguments were painful to listen to, but I respect that he was willing to come on and debate. It's just so sad how blind he is the illogic in what he's saying. Allie, thank you so much for doing this and not backing town from the truth! I am praying for both of you.

[@MmM20978]

Pastor John Piper from what I’ve seen is solid, not this guy who doesn’t know the whole counsel of God with a few Scriptures thrown out. Love Allie quotes Scripture.

[@bluedog562]

I don’t respect an evil ‘pastor’.

[@pamdaugherty6090]

I'm going to pray for him. WOW!

[@mariadelvecchio6658]

Viability, in my professional medical scientific world, is when we see a heart beat. Which by ultrasound, can be seen as early as 5 weeks from the first day of the womens last period and 3 weeks from conception. When we see a heartbeat it is considered a viable embryo or fetus depending on the age of gestation. He is speaking about viability outside the womb and science is saving fetuses earlier and earlier as technology has progressed over the years.

[@lindasteinbrenner8065]

Exactly! 👍🏻

[@kamarwashington]

Your latter statement is a testament to the arbitrary standard of viability outside of the womb. As science progresses and babies can live early and early outside, would that mean that humans are becoming valuable sooner and sooner? It just doesn’t make sense to me

[@crarls27]

How can there be a heartbeat when there is literally no heart. Electrical activity at best.

[@christina5656]

That tree 🌴🌴 argument!!

[@julianbigelow2794]

In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state. Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them. If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug. Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.

[@willbrown6298]

This is what happens when you debate someone who has a reprobate mind. They will ignore reason for their very own evil wishes.

[@sofidofie]

Yup.

[@hebermenaonward]

Professing being smart, knowledgeable, and wise, this fool is the fulfillment of what Paul (one of the best theologians, thinkers, and writers ever known in history who actually had a personal encounter with The Resurrected Christ) warned Timothy about “the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their are itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside myths.” 1 Timothy 4:3-4 Allie Beth YOU ARE AWESOME! Solid, sound, and strong! Thanks for the work you do! Keep the good work!

[@Emily-es6zo]

The feistiness Allie 😍😍 yes yes yes. Potential means possibility but not yet. You can’t end something that hasn’t begun.

[@ybh8ful]

and dead things don't grow. Also, Brandan is a juvenile human, and is a potential adult human.

[@meljon3905]

@@ybh8ful I thought the same. If it’s not growing, it’s dying. And if it’s growing, it’s alive.

[@jonathanbarnes3061]

@@meljon3905 - Brilliant point what differentiates a embryo from a mass of cancer cells? The spark of life, a supernatural beginning. Human life and once begun without interference will be a spectacular living person. So now the government will say "Let the states mull it over and take a public vote ".🗳 There should be guidelines, New Jersey, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Colorado, Alaska and California debate the matter presently. Five months can live under most current conditions. If the heart can beat the spark of life is present. 🎁 Babies kick and can play games before

[@Joe-gi3nj]

Exactly. Organisms don’t develop unless they’re alive.

[@davidh9690]

What a way to expose a false teacher! Thank you Allie! I laughed when Allie mentioned the kicking and moving in the womb and he shakes his head no, like he has been pregnant 😂 he’s the wrong gender to have an opinion on this at all. He, and others who defend his view, seem very lost, and I will be praying for them.

[@kingshousetube]

There are people happy to welcome a baby kicking...both genders.

[@adamdilem941]

There is no right or wrong gender to discuss this subject. There are about 70 million unborn babies aborted by women every year worldwide. If men/fathers had a legal say on the matter I am certain we could've saved millions of those murdered babies.

[@canigetanemail]

@@adamdilem941 Agreed. The slogan of the extreme left = you can only have an opinion about what you are. To the point that some heshe in Matt Walsh's docu claimed "only a woman can tell you what a woman is...." Matt's response "are you a cat? Can you tell me what a cat is?" Lol. But seriously tho, at this rate they'll claim you have to be an unborn child to have an opinion about whether an unborn child is a human life. Smh.

[@ItsInMyShortsvids]

Most of them are not lost, they are exactly where they want to be.

[@dananderson6697]

Evil is evil, and it stays evil no matter what the genders are of the people involved.

[@noahplourde3185]

Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. Psalm 139:16

[@actmrhata5079]

A POTENTIAL life is an unfertilized egg. Once it’s fertilized, the potential life has become an ACTUAL life

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

When does personhood begins at a pregnancy?

[@brandonjade2146]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 its a human being man its just at another stage of development, its alive how could it grow if not?

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

@@brandonjade2146 Why do you characterise a zygote as a human being? Is it because of Independent DNA? Because then a person with chimerism also has cells with different DNA , does that mean there are different people living inside of him? My point is Life begins at conception Person hood however begins at Viability. Because every human fetus inorder to exist in the world has to attain viability inorder to be a human being that is to exist in the outside world. Viability is simply BIOLOGICAL INDEPENDENCY from BIOLOGICAL MOTHER that is the crucial factor for Person hood i.e. being recognised as a person or an individual.

[@brandonjade2146]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 if u watched the video youd know viability is arbitrary its not the same for all pregnancies because some develop faster than others also it changes as time goes on with advancement of technology babies earlier and earlier in development can survive out of the room. See what i mean? The viability argument creates a grey area, you cant use that to determine when abortion is moral and even then you are saying taking a life is ok if it cant sustain itself which is evil logic

[@jasonmarcum9964]

Life is an individual's experiences from birth to death. Every stage of pregnancy is potential life. And before anyone cries it with the lie of "innocent baby" no it is not and you haven't the proof to support that statement.

[@ahhitskatie9094]

I’m so thankful he was willing to come on your show, Allie. I pray that he returns and I pray for his heart. I have a very genuine question. He says he spoke with women about their lived experiences, but if his political side says they don’t know what a woman is, how does he know those were women? Additionally… there are true biological women who do not have a uterus. Does this mean they are not allowed to provide an opinion? I’d be truly interested in hearing his answers to these questions!

[@MarkRogersVOCFB]

Allie Beth Stuckey, thank you for taking on difficult conversations with righteousness and dignity and standing up for Christ.

[@megred7364]

I hope Brandan comes back! Good for you, Allie for taking the opportunity to share the gospel with him. I'll be praying that God grants him true metanoia!

[@ericlammerman2777]

Doesn't "metanoia" mean "after these things?"

[@megred7364]

@@ericlammerman2777 it means repentance, literally a transformative change of heart in Greek

[@ybh8ful]

@@megred7364 wow. and he doesn't actually believe in SIN.

[@megred7364]

@@ybh8ful I know, I think he uses the word to mean basically a change in understanding of Christianity but I don't follow him so I am not really sure how he uses the word.

[@katyisaacs7907]

You can see the confusion on his face. This was an excellent debate and I so appreciate both of you being willing to do it. Of course, the truth always holds and it did here. A baby is a human with rights from the moment of its conception.

[@Simply4MEnUS]

Can man create life itself? Man gives seed, women an egg...against all odds the two come together and begin to become one but it is only God who grants life at that moment. We get the gift to be carries of life as women. Man and women come together and again only God can open the womb and fill a man's quiver for the two to come together to be fruitful and multiple. It's all controlled and granted by God. A gift He gives alone. From the dust of the earth...He creates life. Who is man that he would even attempt to destroy and stop what God has given life to. Man nor women are their own, they were bought with a price. We say it's the women's body so she can make the decision but what about the man? Are we surprised with their lack of care for women when their voice was also taken away and not even considered.

[@joeytalksaboutlife]

Allie I am so grateful that you are willing to hear both sides.

[@alliebeardontwalk8463]

Praise God that your mothers chose life!! 🙌 This whole conversation really makes me realize how ruthlessly the “left” preys on the most vulnerable. 💔 #prayforyourenemies #Jesuswins

[@whitneyojukwu120]

The only real difference between a “foetus” and a “baby” when a woman is pregnant, is if she wants the child or not. Notice how no one who has ever had a miscarriage ever says “I lost the foetus.” It’s always “I lost my/the baby.” Go figure.

[@drewwilson6639]

The word fetus is Latin for baby, so really it's the same thing they're just playing word games

[@jontypiper9881]

Exactly, here in the UK our tobacco products we can buy have a warning on them "smoking will harm your baby", baby = positive foetus = negative in their eyes.

[@C31living]

I am pro Life 100000% no exceptions! Im with you Allie 🙏🏼❤️✝️

[@Jacquelyn11]

Your so brave Allie, debating is not something I am good at. Thank you for your content. I am a byproduct of rape, my grandmother was 15 when she had my mom. I have a daughter of my own and pregnant with our second child. I am so thankful for my life and my grandmother did not end my moms life in abortion. Praise the Lord, I am his and forever grateful for life. Pro LIFE!❤️

[@mollybenz2242]

I will pray for him- so sad to watch him defend abortion. Allie I love your witness- you are a gift to the Church.

[@thatonechick6744]

We need to pray for Brandan.

[@samantha354]

I think the very first question I would have asked him, is why do you think abortions should be decreased? If they’re not wrong, why would you want less?

[@thesagetraveler7649]

I was thinking this too. Many say it's such a hard decision for a woman to make. Why is that?

[@lub8815]

@@thesagetraveler7649 This is our modern Holocaust, perpetrated by the same Devil as the one in 1935-1945.

[@kellyoneill189]

@@lub8815, thank you. Child killing = infanticide. And this genocide of 20% of Americans is the very same to God as any other genocide--evil. If the blood of Abel cries out to God, how much more does the blood of 65 million innocent Americans?

[@tracybanman108]

My thought too. I would really like to hear his reasoning for that. There's only a need to decrease abortions if there's something wrong with it (there's a lot wrong with it).

[@BasedGamerX]

Wow. He goes “banning abortion harms women” without even thinking that allowing abortion literally kills a baby. WOW

[@BasedGamerX]

Also at 41:18 I can almost hear you thinking to yourself “oh lord give me the strength to not explode on this guy.” It’s plain as day in your facial expressions and I don’t at all blame you.

[@WendyWzOpinion]

And it harms women. I know many stories of women who committed suicide because of their deep remorse over killing their unborn child. It wrecks women because unless their hearts are completely hardened, they know the truth that they have ended another person’s life.

[@blessed9107]

What about the baby your hurting it. There is so much birth control out there if you don't want a child take it. What about fornication that God says is wrong. I heard about a woman having 9 abortions using it for birth control. Be responsible if you don't want a baby. Your punishing the baby for the choice you made. God hates the shedding of innocent blood. I pray that woman will choice life for their babies. God help our youth.

[@davidfunk6698]

I've been Catholic for nine months now. Still lots to learn, but bro, this guy preaching, and writing books. I'm speechless

[@kaseycorliss7282]

Allie I don't know if you realize what just happened but you just got Brandon to admit that abortion is wrong in front of a live audience whether he knows it or not! His entire argument fell through the cracks when he said people tell him his mother should have had an abortion is wrong. I wouldn't get upset if someone told me my mother should have done some arbitrary thing that wouldn't affect my (or her) life at all. A lie always has a way of revealing truth, you did an amazing job! 👏

[@ybh8ful]

I'm quite sure he believes he 'won' the debate. Someone should call him out on the 'millions of people' thing. Even if millions of people agree on a thing doesn't make it righteous.

[@kaseycorliss7282]

@@ybh8ful totally agree if he was just some random dude it would be different but he claims himself to be a pastor so he should know the bible says the road to heaven is straight and narrow. It's not a good thing if most of the world agrees with you.

[@lub8815]

@@ybh8ful Yes, what about the millions of aborted babies looking down from heaven on us who allowed it to happen?

[@femiwilliams7906]

"A lie always has a way of revealing truth" I like that saying. Quite revealing 🙂

[@jonatand2045]

@@kaseycorliss7282 The mythology of the bible has more than one interpretation. For what some is literal, for others is figurative.

[@emilyannrupe5269]

Just as the eggs in my fridge were once potential chickens, wouldn’t “potential human life” be an egg or sperm on their own? But once the two meet, voila! 👶🏻🐓

[@joelpatterson3118]

Yes the potential life for humans is the sperm and the egg. His human and tree comparison is not correct. There are also obvious differences with how humans and tree's produce offspring making the example even more flawed.

[@lauraroth2562]

EXACTLY!! Thank you. A potential life is an unfertilized egg or sperm.

[@christinebubb6658]

Seriously, my thought EXACTLY when he said that and I was going to comment that, so thank you!

[@emilyannrupe5269]

@Joseph Fernandez that’s precisely what I’m saying. They’re merely potential chickens - unfertilized eggs.

[@jasonmarcum9964]

Holy cow someone other than me said it! Yes potential life! Every point of development is a potential life!

[@LordOfTheFallen713]

I honestly can’t even watch anymore of this the mental gymnastics you have to do to get to his conclusion is immeasurable

[@rudyvillarreal4482]

Definition of a false teacher, I find it gross how he uses the "I am a Christian" card to try to discredit Allie. These people must be rebuked and prayed for.

[@ybh8ful]

they've concocted their own 'jesus' to worship. truth is relative to them even though that statement is an oxymoron. they have 'my truth' so they believe in the authority of self above God.

[@Telkor]

"If we overturn Roe then women will do dangerous things to have an abortion." Only the first couple will. After that people might think twice before they get pregnant.

[@Sam_T2000]

the simple solution to the dangerous “back alley” abortion problem is simple: don’t procure and back alley abortion. or better yet, don’t get pregnant in the first place, if you don’t want to have a child. and I’ve been hearing the argument that banning abortion would actually _increase_ the number of abortions… how is this physically, logically possible? at very worst, the number of abortions would stay the same, though I find that all but impossible.

[@kaseycorliss7282]

Right?! That argument makes no sense. It's like saying if a k*ller doesn't get his way he might end his own life so let's give him a m*rder weapon.

[@sivad1025]

I've always thought it's funny that they call this protecting women. Why are we protecting women from dangerous situations they created? And these are the same people who not only turn their backs to suicide, they want to expand assisted suicide.

[@GratiaPrima_]

Very true.

[@lub8815]

Actually, when there were not killer clinics, women did do dangerous things. But every abortion is deadly dangerous TO THE CHILD.

[@alliecoriano2237]

I pray for this man to experience becoming a father to his own child and see their squirming arms and legs on ultrasound as early as 10 weeks! To see their beating heart. May that moment change him forever ❤️

[@JasuryRobles]

I don’t. I pray God changes his heart before he experiences that. He would probably kill the baby first chance he gets with his current views.

[@TMcConnaughhay]

He won’t…he’s gay

[@KeefeAlbert]

He won't experience true fatherhood because of his sexual preferences.

He wont experience that kind of fatherhood which is why he doesn't value it. He will purchase his baby like an accessory. He is a gay man

[@erinhanley8157]

“Abortion is not a black and white issue.” See, this is where progressivism begins to unravel. When everything is cast in varying shades of gray, nothing is clear. Thank you as always Allie for holding the line.

[@jonatand2045]

No matter where you draw the line believing it is absolute, it can be shown that it is an illusion.

[@MmM20978]

If his argument that women will continue to hurt themselves as in back alley abortions means women need help not let them hurt themselves MORE with abortion?

[@rescueferret8834]

Do you think all issues are black & white issues?

[@almapelonia5453]

Abortion is murder. We felt your passion on this issue Allie. Thank you. I wish the guy you were talking to would stop calling himself a Christian Pastor. He’s confusing a lot of people. You can’t be a true Christian and be okay with murdering babies. The people he’s pastoring should find another church.

[@hisservants8003]

He is a gay "pastor." He has said some truly blasphemous things. He is a heretic. I pray God opens his eyes.

[@breakfree2271]

I'm 22 weeks pregnant and this just makes me love my baby even ever more. I hope more people can see how these people nothing but unsupported senseless arguments make. Thank you Jesus I am free.... Wuhhhh

[@marcelacaramel2744]

The eggs the woman carries are what I’d consider “potential lives.” Once the sperm fertilizes the egg, that’s a life.

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

ATTENTION PRO LIFERS! ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS ''When does person hood begin in pregnancy? '' Now if your answer is at conception because it has a different DNA I would argue what about the person suffering from Mosaicism who has genomically different sets of cells would there be multiple people living inside of him? Because the criteria is fulfilled -Independent DNA and human cell

[@brandonjade2146]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 you are using rare extremes to justify your argument

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

@@brandonjade2146 I know its a rare disorder, but my point is just because you have a human cell with independent DNA IS NOT equivalent to Human being. Zygote is CELLULAR LIFE not a HUMAN BEING therefore it does not have any human rights. The pro life position is zygote is a human being therefore it has individual human rights which goes against Science.

[@brandonjade2146]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 its more than just DNA that makes it a separate human life you are making it out that only one of our arguments is our one single rationale for our position to make it sound silly, like how you’re saying our position is the zygote is a human life and i mean it is, if you saw something like that on another planet you would call it life but no our position is that abortion is a cruel and brutal killing of a life in the womb by ripping its limbs off one by one as the baby (which definitely feels that unimaginable pain if you watch ultrasounds of the procedure) tries to vainly escape to the other side of the womb and that that is wrong and it shouldn’t happen

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

@@brandonjade2146 Human life is an umbrella term. It can include human cell, human tissue ,human organ etc. When you undergo a surgery you are not committing a genocide , when you masturbate you are not committing a genocide, when you amputate a leg its not genocide either , If you receive a kidney transplant you are not carrying another human being are you? Human 'beings' are viable living being and are capable of surviving outside the womb without being BIOLOGICALLY DEPENDENT on BIOLOGICAL MOTHER for its survival and growth. A zygote , an embryo and a non viable fetus cannot accomplish this and therefore fails to deserve the status of a 'Human Being ' even though they are a sort of human life or living organism. A zygote can reach the status of Human being only IF THE MOTHER CHOOSES to. A zygote is not a human being or person therefore it doesn't deserve ' THE RIGHT TO LIFE ' as only human beings can have the right to life.

[@donnaross7531]

That was so stressful. I don't understand how people don't understand that a baby in the womb is a human. You did a great job Allie.

[@cassieirving3838]

I had this conversation several weeks ago with a vet tech. She posted a pic of a baby in utero and said 'this is not a baby' then posted a pic of a 3 mo old baby and said 'THIS is a baby'. So, I shared a picture of a puppy in utero and asked her what it was. She, of course, said it was a puppy and that she would never assist in a spay if she knew the dog was pregnant 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Holy Moses...I couldn't believe that she said it.

[@JasJbrown]

Wow. So a pastor more convicted by “science” then “holy scriptures and Holy Spirit.” Woe to him. Lord have mercy and encounter him! Reconnect his severed conscience! Spirit of repentance come!

[@calebmeyer5958]

28:15 - 28:58 is sooo powerful. I literally paused to praise God!! May your work continue to bring Him Glory!!! 🙌🏾🙏

[@steveguti6452]

We would appreciate it deeply if anyone could pray for us our 11 year old daughter Candice is very sick she's seeing doctors test she desperately needs your prayers please pray for her recovery praying for everyone everyday God bless you all.

[@-RM-]

Prayed for Candice and your family.

[@motorTranz]

Prayer sent up for healing and complete health.

[@lisae1032]

Prayers for answers/peace

[@lub8815]

Praying now for Candice's healing and for peace and comfort in your family.

[@bernadettewhiteman3035]

The Dr wanted my Mother to abort me because she has a bad heart, she refused and 2 weeks after I was born she had open heart surgery. I am now 56 and have 16 grandkids!