Produce 101 Iceberg ‖ Worse Than You Remember

[@riffgroove]

I remember seeing a variety show where they had contestants from both Produce 48 and Produce 101 on it who said they could tell as soon as they got there that the show was rigged. "Certain trainees didn't get filmed at all, and other trainees got followed around by cameras the second they arrived. It was pretty easy to tell which ones were going to get picked."

[@trogdorthe8th]

I'm fairly certain that was Idol School. Because they also talked about how those trainees would get advanced information about songs that would be used as well as choreography, so it would seem like they were more advanced when really they'd had a leg up on their competition. Idol School was INCREDIBLY shady, and it definitely didn't help Fromis9 since the group was already floundering before that information was revealed.

[@clairdeloona]

@@trogdorthe8thidol school was the first showcase of mnet’s blatant xenophobia as well, mainly towards natty. Ofc this has continued into every other show they’ve done, particularly Pd48 and Gp999/Bp999

[@trogdorthe8th]

@@clairdeloona SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!! Just heartbreaking, and they wonder why foreign idols (especially those from China) eventually just want to leave and work in their own country. They blame it on money, which I agree is a factor, but the way they are treated is absolutely abhorrent.

[@clairdeloona]

@@trogdorthe8th FUCK YOU MNET YOU LITTLE CHEATING BITCH (lol yt gave me a warning for this one)

[@xrrgr]

@@trogdorthe8th idol school was literal abuse 💀 keeping them in dorms with paint fumes, interviewing them well into the night until they said what they wanted them to say, starving them etc. i'm surprised they weren't sued for everything they had but then again this is korea.

[@Toni_313]

Dude said “healthy pornography” 😭 so it was never about talent just putting pretty faces on screen….got it

[@savage_girl_07]

And he said that about young girls🤢 another Example of pretty privilege we got to see in this industry.

[@asskayzac]

@@savage_girl_07 it isn’t really a “privilege”…

[@savage_girl_07]

@@asskayzac I was talking about them showing stereotypically attractive people more than other girls, but u are right in another way. That's not a "privilege" anyone in their right minds would enjoy.

[@sleepyinu4428]

This is extra gross when you think about how young a lot of these girls are

[@maxineo7392]

@@sleepyinu4428Exploitative and Pedophilic* you mean. “Gross” is a vast understatement.

[@Imyourcherryybomb]

Han Dong Chul's reason about why he created this series is more than enough for me to never support the produce series ever again. Disgusting 🤢

[@Sillytillyx]

He doesn't work with mnet anymore but he is involved in the My teenage girl/boy series of survival shows which I why I'll never watch those shows.

[@light_bit]

@@Sillytillyx he also the man behind mixnine and sixteen

[@acciousername6776]

I literally couldn't believe my ears 😶

[@Sillytillyx]

@@light_bit sixteen was a mnet show but it also aired before produce so it’s probably from there he came up with his messed up survival fantasy idea

[@actuallystop]

@@Sillytillyx so youre telling me THIS DUDE IS NOT IN JAIL RN???........

[@cm-ht6iq]

THIIIIIISSSS @15:12 it always made me SO mad that Produce had the audacity to make "fun" of the japanese members yet used the "48" trademark for their series. Bc let's be honest, the reason why pd48 was so succesful was bc of the akb48 girls, without them it would've been just another (boring) season

[@MrSuperjam789]

I'm still amazed that they didn't tell the Japanese contestants that they would be part of a survival show for Produce 48. I remember a couple years ago watching a popular compilation video of the Japanese contestants reactions while being on the show and the comment section was just a battle zone between K-pop and J-pop fans going at it. Of course, it's hard to prepare for things when you're told at the last minute.

[@goldenhourss]

so true :/ and they got bashed for being untalented ??? like ?

[@westpalmdani]

and they had no translator

[@markantonygreat]

The Takeuchi Miyu main vocal part was heavily edited to make her look greedy for the position despite not having the capacity to do so. Hence why they never showed her hitting the note on the live finale. The same episode, Eunbi was also struggling with the high note but they made it look like a fun bit how Chowon is just singing "Madewa" over and over while Eunbi is failing to hit the notes. When they make these types of edit, they usually would do a follow-up resolution next episode what happened when a trainee is struggling, (i.e. Eunbi, same episode, they resolved it with Chowon sharing the note with her) but in Miyu's case it was left hanging. That should be okay but the timing was very bad for her because despite ranking 4th on the last elimination, it gave an impression that she's was selfish and lacks the talent to sing. This is in spite of the fact that this was the first time on the show she attempted to aggressively fight for main vocal position. Only because she wanted to pay homage to a grandparent that died in Japan while she's filming in Korea. PS. It's also a running gag online how little screentime she got during the show's airing. "Finding Miyu" became a thing online that's why she climbed ranks. The evil editing was their only chance to rig her out so they did it, because giving her less screentime did not work the way they wanted. They even edited out her passing out during one elimination episode because they don't want her to gain sympathy from viewers. PPS. MNET also did not show that she gave her lines to Jo Yuri and Haeyoon during the finale!

[@lan__2688]

THIS!! Aside from the nasty miss of the final shot of her, why didn't they showcase how miyu share her parts despite being a main vocalist? See how eunbi got all the dish and left crumbs only for others but not with miyu's team. Like she just wanted the high notes to pay the homage to her late grandpa. Why they heavily editted her like that!? God I'm so pissed.. this case still got me so emotional whenever this came up

[@markantonygreat]

@@lan__2688 i am still mad. miyu never really fit the prototype of the idol they wanted to be part of izone that's why they gave her that poor treatment

[@rossesandnothing]

I swear, Produce 48 had a lot of secrets lurking out there especially with their Japanese participants.

[@notagirl_]

ahh i wish you could've mentioned what happened with ju haknyeon!! his case of evil editing was genuinely horrifying.. the way antis went as far as to attack his mother and family members :( the company had to step in and dispell rumors, even his sister spoke up. he was only 17-18 and far from home i can't imagine what it must've been like

[@harvestcutie.3345]

Wait- woah- I'd never heard anything about that... Is there a video abt that or something

[@notagirl_]

@@harvestcutie.3345 There's only one that i know of and its not really the most informative but if you search up evil editing haknyeon it's the first one to pop up its a video from like 5 years ago

[@mediverge]

22:58 kaeun and chowon were rigged out of izone 100%, released by police. the question is we dont know the actual line up

[@AalalalalaaLa]

All we know is kaeun was 5th and chowon was 6th

[@sappyzap]

I think that these shows make no sense because they clearly decide who they want to win early on, bribing is also likely

[@mediverge]

@@sappyzap bribing from starship and other companies was confirmed. they don't have a set lineup from the get go but they have favorites and obviously wanna push certain people. during the last batch of trainees they def have a lineup in mind and some backups

[@DC_DC_DC]

I will never forgive them for how they treated and used Baekho (Kang Dongho). As if evil editing him while he was going through anxiety (up to the point where he had to be taken to a hospital) was not enough they rig him out, then invite him to produce a song for PD48 and then let trainees in 4th season perform his own produced songs. The audacity of mnet

[@calleigh4287]

I know so many trainees just want to debut at any cost and I know these shows can be great exposure / act as a foot in the door to the music industry. I couldn’t imagine, however, going through the stress of being on the show, and working SO hard every day to maybe debut in a temporary group. I assume they go into it hoping to just start their career and see what happens later. But imagine giving your all to a group sacrificing your freedom, time with family, etc. for a group that might last a year? I guess there is hope that you might end up as a Wonyoung, Chungha, Somi, Chaeyon, Sakura, etc. who make careers in other groups or as a solo; but this is so difficult. I give a lot of credit to these girls who work so hard for their dreams I definitely don’t think I would be strong enough. 💜💜💜

[@SBBunny93]

There are ways and there are ways. And the KPOP industry has more wrong ways than right. The industry needs to evolve and stop manufacturing their artists. Also fans need to stop placing such high standards on them. I know it’s a little random but I didn’t know how to word it ahaha.

[@calleigh4287]

@@lexiea1123 that’s true I think the companies are to blame for the root of some of the scandals by paying off the networks/producers etc. to get their trainees more screen time, more votes, and/or to be a part of the final lineup. At the end of the day it’s a good look for the company to have successful trainees; plus we all know once an artist debuts, they can spend years just repaying their trainee debt especially if they aren’t a huge success right away.

[@calleigh4287]

@@SBBunny93 the training system still needs to exist to develop the artists talents, but it could definitely be less harsh as far as schedules, diet, etc. especially since so many of trainees are minors. Netizens will always be super harsh and critical which totally sucks and I also wish that would change but that change is gonna come slow if at all 💔

[@tieyonnasvlogs894]

@@lexiea1123 that is so sad I don’t like how they are doing this to them

[@schmeterling]

And they're just kids, they are not able to think about the future:(

[@Leon-yg5gm]

94 dollars per EPISODE? and less than

[@mephisto5856]

Honestly you should’ve also discuss GP999 since it’s just Produce under a different robe nothing else. The amount of effort MNET makes into evil editing non Koreans and giving so much bias into Korean trainees is just another way of MNET to rig the show.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Yeah same for boys planet

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

But she made a separate vid dos GP999

[@mephisto5856]

@@gwenmloveskpopandmore Sorry haven’t saw the video about Girls Planet yet.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@mephisto5856 you’ll definitely have to

[@kianna2697]

remember cai bing and fu yaning? they did my girls so bad :((

[@milig6156]

i'm surprised you didn't talk about the discrimination samuel faced, but it was a great video!

[@UmeSama2080]

Somi was wild for her stunt💀

[@jenniek982]

I also hope people understand that this is just a public version of what actually goes on in companies. It literally is a survival show for trainees every day. The thing that makes K-Pop specifically K-Pop is that entire industry structure that the show is copying. The only season and only group that seemed the least manipulated was the first one and the bar is pretty low lol, but they should have stopped it there. The reason why IOI didn’t have as dramatically stellar post-group careers group-wise comparatively when looking at following groups was because they were the prototype. They served as a blueprint and companies learned how to play the system and people got greedy seeing the success IOI was able to achieve. The only thing that changed was people became aware when the show and companies slipped up.

[@cookiemonster8184]

I noticed how you showed Somi during the section about the “Pick me” centers when she wasn’t even eligible to be the center. The center was Yoojung

[@someoneyk6556]

To add something to 9:27, this was the reason why jurina dropped out, there was a sousyenko at the time and jurina fainted and never really came back to the industry

[@stubbyboardman701]

You can honestly see the pattern that the show started heavily rigging on season 2. There's an episode in all seasons where the contestants name the most attractive trainee in their season and if you watch the first season, you will not be able to pin point which trainee they were talking about because of how little screentime they get. Like sure she's pretty but who? This started shifting in season 2 where the handsomest trainee is also a popular trainee. This went on on the next seasons as well and you can see it well that most of the trainees in this visual lineup ended up debuting in the final lineup.

[@shwetathakur2279]

True . season 2 park jihoon i didn't feel like he can consider 1 there were lot of visual better then him but traniees pic him most also minhyun i dont think he is more handsome then his group member choi minki Only baejin young lae gualin senho were real visiual among them Jung jung , hankyan minki were also handsome but no one pic them

[@blablablaj]

23:45 WHAT THE ACTUAL ... .. . ??!!

[@hhol8]

Sad that all people seem to remember about post I.O.I is the groups flopping "except for WJSN". Might I remind y'all Pristin were on track to be big yet disbanded prematurely to no fault of their own. They were sweeping rookie awards left & right (I think they had the most for a post group before ive & lsfm came long), had pretty good sales having the most successful debut gg album in 2017, and their music show performances garnered millions of views...so much lost potential. Anyways, ONE thing for sure I.O.I dominate in is the solo careers. I mean they have THE "big 3"; Somi, Sejeong, and Chungha. Somi is the by far most successful having the most followers at 16M+, the most streamed debut album at 400M streams on Spotify, the only 4th gen soloist with 3 mvs surpassing 100M views, a global ambassador for luxury brands like Prada & Louis Vuitton AND has global campaigns for each brand under her belt. (She endorses several other brands as well, even being nicknamed "CF Queen", but I would be here all day if I listed them all). Anyways, I could go on & on with her really. It's a shame she's not promoted more frequently as her last cb was all the way back in the fall of 2021... definitely not crying... Next, Chungha who has by far the two most popular solo songs "Gotta Go" & "Snapping" which went mega & I mean MEGA viral taking over 2019. They earned her 13 music show wins combined (got her 14th win with her latest comeback, the most total wins for a produce soloist), has several bonsangs among other awards, & her first full album, "Querencia", won a kma which is said to be the korean version of the grammys. There's also the obvious impact her music and style has had on idols who debuted after her and is highly respected as a dancer. Lastly, there's God Sejeong who went on to debut with an all kill (the only post produce debut song to do so) and to this day "Flower Road" is still being covered/talked about + the phrase "walk down the flower road" itself has become a staple for all idols. She's also found great success in her endorsements & variety show appearances. And ofc there's her acting career which has been her biggest success with her latest drama averaging 10% and earning her multiple awards including best actress. Mother has also been nicknamed triple threat AS SHE SHOULD! In conclusion, stop dog piling on the I.O.I girls. Music wise, yes, all the groups besides WJSN failed but how did yall expect them to succeed when their companies were stupid & greedy & neglected all non-ioi members?? Good marketing can make or break a career. Also, I may not have gone into detail, but the other 7 girls are doing fairly well for themselves with most choosing the acting route like Mina (Hotel Del Luna with THE IU), Chaeyeon (My First First Love, The King's Affection), Nayoung (Flower of Evil), Doyeon (One the Woman, Jirisan), & Sohye (critical acclaim & awards/nominations for film Moonlit Winter). Or have mainly focused on music like Yoojung who debuted as a soloist recently & Jieqiong who also acts but the amount of OSTs she's done is impressive to say the least.

[@E.Bashmak]

Weki Meki had as popular of a debut as Pristin and even bigger album sales during debut.

[@__W___]

These people never give a flying f about post-IOI groups. It shows by how they just parrot the same thing over and over and gloss over any and every achievements the IOI members had and have. The post-groups were also the first of their agencies (jellyfish with gugudan, fantagio with weki meki, by some extension, pledis after a long while with pristin), i.e, there were no guarantee that even with the popularity of IOI members that they could carry their respective groups. Even more so when these agencies bicker the entire time IOI was active to pull out their trainees, down to the last concert. Serve them right, jellyfish, pledis, starship, and mbk. Starship succeeded but let's face it, they didn't have plans for Yeonjung and her addition to wjsn was last minute. Their PDs were also found guilty during the voting manipulation controversy.

[@Babiisolar]

ioi we’re such a good group with such good songs.. even today ppl don’t tend to put them in the “ best music “ convos when it comes to produce

[@winterdreambell]

Funniest thing is that post WannaOne and X1 groups/soloists are flopping too but people only focus on I.O.I for some reason

[@nsbynsn]

Tbh i still can't figure out what is going on with weki meki, they should have been doing decent but they're not. And people still despise pledis because of what happened to pristin. And to be very efffing honest i was salty at gugudan because they had to take sejeong & mina when they could've waited

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Actually here the most popular post careers of each season as of right now (mostly based in Korea) 1. Chungha, Somi, SeJeong, Chaeyeon, WJSN 2. Kang Daniel, Kim Jaehwan, Park Jihoon, Minhyun, Yoon Jisung, AB6IX, Cix (not as popular as they used to be though same with AB6IX but I think CIX lost more fans), Kuanlin/Guanlin is a huge actor in China 3. Ive, LesseraFim, Yena, J Line 4. Kim Wooseok, Woodz, Cravity, WEi, Drippin

[@alishaoop2676]

yena ive and lesserafim should be 2.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@alishaoop2676 I’m going by seasons in order not in terms of popularity

[@alishaoop2676]

@@gwenmloveskpopandmore oh ok

[@jeffersonv729]

I, personally, think you can also include CIX 😊

[@Sillytillyx]

@@jeffersonv729 Came here to comment this haha

[@pocketsizedseev]

There’s one gossip that i think shouldve been included in the iceberg and thats the rumour abt starship trainees supposedly being given the songs and choreography to one of their stages ahead of time (that one episode with the U Got It stage). Kinda make sense since minhee said he practiced all the songs before being assigned to his song. (No shade to minhee or starship trainees at all. Minhee is my cravity ult 👨‍🦯)

[@Jojo-uu7ot]

The fact that 4 out of 5 NU'EST members participated in the show broke my heart as a ㄴㅇㅅㅌ

[@vomitodeinsecto8556]

the thought of the show being rigged run in my mind when in every season one or two starship trainees ended up in the final ranking

[@C0-0]

There was no starship trainee in season 2

[@vomitodeinsecto8556]

@@C0-0 I mean yes but when the accident happened at Produce x 101 a lot of news came out that companies, including Starship, were paying for their trainees to finish in the final ranking...

[@C0-0]

@@vomitodeinsecto8556 they didnt pay their trainees to end up in the final ranking. They paid for the screentime.

[@vomitodeinsecto8556]

@@C0-0 even so, starship was one of the main companies involved in the rigged of produce 101 and that's a fact lmao

[@C0-0]

@@vomitodeinsecto8556 yeah, they paid for the screentime so yeah there are involved in one way unlike woolim and stone who pays for the final rankings.

[@yonasco14]

Yoooo you were talking about the place 14 curse and remembered Yurina ended up at 14th place at the end of the show 😳...

[@clemclem7894]

Sobin really saw his chance destroyed by false information. Makes me so mad that people harassed him online and send him hate when even the person accusing him said themselves that they were not even sure if he was really a bully. At the end of the day, every of his teacher, sport coach/teammate and classmates defended him and they bullying case ended up being entirely false. I'm happy that he started a wonderful acting carrer

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Yes on all 6 seasons (Produce, GP999, BP) the trainees were/are usually forced to give up their phones (not the Japanese trainees on PD48 though). Even kep1er members said it themselves.

[@akiko7298]

I couldn't imagine giving up my phone! Not because I'm so attached to it but my phone has papago and my korean-english dictionary!

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@akiko7298 yeah that’s why for me I’d probably take everything I learned on my phone and write it on paper

[@Marinlss]

so the gp99 had to communicate on a language that didn't know, without a in person translator or internet?

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@Marinlss yep the only translation they had was through in ears that would translate for them

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

The reason why Produce 48 was called Produce 48: Produce 101 X 48 (mostly AKB48)

[@himaririku5289]

ohh

[@himaririku5289]

but what's AKB8? I googled it but I never understood what the purpose of it is abt

[@griffinschiavo]

@@himaririku5289 it’s a huge idol group that performs daily in Japan, and fans can come visit them. Picture a K-pop group but they’re performing for their fans each day, have a constant rotation where members “graduate” to move on with their careers and lives at a certain age, and you can actually meet the members.

[@dorte3791]

@@griffinschiavo don’t forget it’s a graduating group

[@griffinschiavo]

@@dorte3791 I forgot to add that to the part where I said there was a constant rotation, thank you for reminding me!

[@megansstallion818]

These people are strong asf I could not handle smth like this

[@joyjoyjoy6612]

i would lose my sanity on week 1

[@nivenlimyu]

An u imagine that camera prank on some rich trainee HAHAHH that would have been funny to watch “contact the lawyers dad”

[@someoneyk6556]

6:10 somi was not a center, she was in class b so she couldn’t be one. Choi yoojung was the center for “pick me”

[@xtiantube]

the way i gagged when you said they were working 20h a day

[@antoinetteherrera9026]

Any chance of an iceberg on Show Me The Money/Unpretty Rapstar? Mnet has a lot to answer for. An awful lot to answer for.

[@riffgroove]

I loved Season 2 of "Unpretty Rapstar." Watching Yezi from Fiestar treat the show and everyone involved in it with the utter contempt that it deserved I will never forget.

[@onlylaboum]

the creepy "concept" explanation about IOI by a manager was why i didnt want to get into them at all back then 😬

[@rlodldeunbi7758]

I'm still upset with mnet especially when I found out that one of my top picks in pdx101 which is kim sihun was robbed so bad. He was supposed to be the first center of X1-MA based on the contestants but Mnet suddenly changed the criteria for that center. Plus the discrimination on the stage set

[@rlodldeunbi7758]

Not hating towards dongpyo but I do really feel that he is one of mmet's favorite

[@frenchblue3211]

He was????? I remember him being one of my favorites but it felt like no matter how much people supported him, he could never quite break into the group of contestants that got defining screen time moments. It didn’t matter how skilled or talented he was, he would just be glossed over. God that’s so damn frustrating

[@lulumimi]

i remember being so annoyed that mnet suddenly changed the criteria for center. i always liked that the entirety of A class were given an hour or so to come up with their own performance to the title track, and then all the trainees could vote on the center, and then to suddenly change it to choosing from only 3 trainees doing the regular choreography? i did not like that change

[@obbl1gato]

Very robbed and it felt like nobody knew him. BDC ended up having 3 fans (and the 2 were me and my other acc) despite them having great songs (easily the best discography in kpop) and talented members. Consider checking them out if you havent, although they disbanded this year.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Welcome back again Midnight!! I’m glad u made this as BP (Boys Planet) is set to premiere in February. As it’s considered season 6 of The produce series, I’m worried things that happened in Produce X 101 will happen and more people will wind up like Fu Yaning in Girls Planet I hope it’s not Krystian Welcome back again Midnight!! I’m glad u made this as BP (Boys Planet) is set to premiere in February. As it’s considered season 6 of The produce series, I’m worried things that happened in Produce X 101 will happen (liking making the lineup before the show) and more people will wind up like Fu Yaning in Girls Planet I hope it’s not Chinese contestant Krystian formerly of Now United

[@adyaparamitaputripratama2786]

I think there's already one, iirc it's Jayden Chang (?). Kinda forget his name lol and it's not because of mnets evil editing, but what I do saw is because there's a Twitter account. I might have to watch on tiktok again about this cause I kinda forgot

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@adyaparamitaputripratama2786 Oh no I hope he doesn’t get evil edited on the show. 🤦‍♀️ I feel like he’d probably be like Samuel, Somi, and Timothée since he’s mixed

[@celinia5658]

Boys Planet will not be rigged in the same way Produce was. Because if Mnet does something like this ever again, they can never to Survival Shows again (by law) which would mean a huge lose of income for them. Moreover very powetful people were arrested for rigging and the new people in charge know that that could happen to them as well. They won't risk things. They will however manipulate the viewer to vote for Mnet's fave. Something they are very good at and which is completely legal.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@celinia5658 exactly cuz it happened in gp999

[@pocketsizedseev]

Oh no worries! The final lineup has already been made even before the show airs 🤣 mn*t is a big company, a little bribe here and there wont hurt them. The arrest made after pdx101 was just a facade bcos the scandal blew up publicly. Companies pay big money to get their trainees into the final lineup so yeah

[@Mashka14]

Compelling and fascinating video on the shady History of the K-pop Reality Show Produce 101 and 48

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Yeah and then we also have GP999 and Then Boys planet which will air next month making it seasons 5 and 6. They’re seasons of produce just under a different name otherwise it’d cause huge controversy if they didn’t.

[@Mashka14]

@@gwenmloveskpopandmore agreed

[@ormitomimus]

honestly south korean government needs to be very strict with labour and minor protection laws. I despise seeing young teenagers debuting in a group and then sing very suggestive songs with sexual moves. The culture of everything being available asap right here, right now isn't good. Because that also results in 20 hour workdays. That whole industry is like a factory and magic of art is slowly disappearing.

[@whoknows987]

The producer’s intentions shocked me. Wtf.

[@kidawesomeness123]

14:32 i read all of kathy lees interview and the reason she believes her spot was secured is because her companies ceo wrote the iconic " pick me " song. She suspects mnet let trainees from her company in because of his contribution.

[@celestia..]

If you guys watched chinese version of produce youll be shocked how better that version is they treat trainees like human and living conditions are way better

[@handyhandyman]

While P48 drew wonders to (some) of the 48G Girls’ lives & career, I kinda hate how it also created this mindset that J-Idols are the “untalented” bunch of girls. What you see on the program is the definition of idols IN the 48G’s system: idols you can meet, from zero to hero. There are many idols in Japan that debut with high level talented girls. The AKB48 groups are unique, they are great but NOT the representative of Japanese idols.

[@Rouge_Ice]

yeah.. and the girls from the J-group of GP999 proved that J-trainees are so talented.

[@manatchuuu]

There are a lot of 48g members who are talented that did not joined the show tbh. What you see in the program doesn't define 48g. 48 group is somewhat expect the unexpected.

[@kyokugo6460]

Many of the 48G girls were from some specific agencies (FYI All AKB48 members and SG members are not of the same company, even tho they're on the same group) AKI-P went to specific agencies first instead of asking the whole group, Therefore securing some members for the 48G in case big names like Hitomi, Jurina, Sakura, Mako, Juri, Miyu, Sae, Miu and other won, So that the JPN48 they belonged to still had an ace (Nana, Sayanee, Sasshi, Yukirin, etc.). It was probably rigged from the start because remember it was supposed to be 6JPN/6KR until second chapter when it was changed given Miku and Jurina left. I think AKI-P original deal was to boost AKB popularity in Korea and make some unknown JPN48 girls know to JP General public, In a way to boost back AKB as the competitor to Sakamichi46. BTW I'm a 4648Wota

[@whiteangel1138]

Aren't hitomi, sae, and miu wasn't particularly popular in jp?

[@kyokugo6460]

@@whiteangel1138 Hii-chan was literally Team 8's face, She was VERY popular, In fact, many EITO fans didn't want her winning pd48 because of this...😅 Sae was known because of her gravure photoshoots, She was also part of Queentet (NMB48 Subunit), They even did Japan-wide tours Miu was popular, and She got more popular in Japan during the PD48 airing.

[@socotrocoway]

Any sources about the 6JPN/6KR rule? I distinctly remember the producers claiming there would not be such a rule. They said that before the show aired, but it might have been after the recording started.

[@fghjfghjk2192]

@@kyokugo6460 the cap about hiichan lol. she was never popular before p48. team 8 was the most popular team at some point with nagi, rinrin, yuiyui, ikumin, oonishi, yurina, narumi...and hiichan was not one of them lol. she still is not the most popular, yuiyui is. sae had a so-so popularity within the nmb. miu took off after p48. thats a big cap

[@keimamatsumae6971]

@@fghjfghjk2192 Louder! I followed 48g since 2012 and i was left ❓❓❓❓ at @kyokugo6460 's comments. You're right, Hiichan isn't one of the top girls from Team 8 before, Sae had a mid popularity, incomparable to what Miru had, and Miu was barely known until P48.

[@kara431]

I'd just like to say I really enjoy your in depth, almost documentary like, content. I know it must be a lot of hard work but just know you're very much appreciated!!

[@FunHutt]

I will never understand why they went harder with manipulation when IOI was perfect fine with out it in their final line up

[@nsbynsn]

Bribery

[@Thegirlwithevilface2004]

I'm still a few minutes in the video and I'm shock that Nako didn't have her audition clip aired

[@sk.m.subhani7888]

Produce 48 treats japanese trainees so bad even mnet never treat all these contestants well

[@trulyvlogsxoxo]

from the 1st episode i already knew these kinda shows were rigged. manipulation, favoritism, screen time? i felt bad for the “leftover trainees”..

[@cascabels]

Thank you for this video! I just got really into KPop when I got a job at a store that plays it… a couple days after GP999 ended. I’d always heard survival shows are pretty shady so it’s good to have a summary of how before Boy’s Planet kicks off

[@AiYa.Ya15]

Ive also always wondered how sakura was favoured so much. Most of the i thought that her performances were deffinetly worse then the others and yet she still made it. I love the sakura in le Sserafim just not in produce.

[@nsbynsn]

Japan needs a horse in the race and mnet made sure to keep everyone tuned in

[@keimamatsumae6971]

sakura was favored so much on p48 because of her popularity in japan and china. she have a very big fanbase internationally. they intentionally used her to make the show more popular than before.

[@blertamorina8561]

Man I didn't realise hearing someone talk about X1's disbandment would still hurt after more than 3 years

[@delreytm]

I love your channel, it’s one of the most informative music channels out there. In a few days I’ve seen most of your videos and I’m currently waiting for you to upload more! I’d love for you to dive in the career of Lee Hyori as many newer kpop fans might not know about her or the huge impact she had in the kpop industry, i believe her career is truly interesting and complex, many ups and downs and would love for you to dedicate a video to exploring these topics as you did with Baby Vox. Nevertheless keep up the amazing work! Hope to see Lee Hyori on your channel soon ❤

[@lovendor]

as someone who was a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE X1 fan the byeumful era was insane :( she was a crazy x1 anti who was a huge stan of one of the members who didnt make it into the group (by9 i think was their unofficial group name?) and she was a big reason behind x1 disbanding. she translated articles from anti x1 pages, spread petitions, and spent alllll day arguing with us and wanting to get justice. like get a fucking life man and i swear i remember hearing about who the rigged members of x1 were, maybe it was from an unofficial insider source? Idk.

[@obbl1gato]

I dont know about this person because I was 11 years old at that time but I remember people wanted X1 to disband because produce was rigged😭 they couldve been a really powerful group tbh same with by9 if they ever debuted they could be the jbj or rainz of pdx101 (also nice albedo pfp)

[@whitecornflower]

The trauma i have from this series not the mention the one the contestants must have... wish everyone falsely eleminated from the show could get proper compensation but it's sadly something no amount of money can ever make up for

[@outroseok]

as entertaining as pd101 was to watch, I'm glad it inevitably had its downfall. it was just too messy all around. mnet is trying to recreate it with gp999/bp999 obviously but I don't think it'll ever reach the same hype level that the produce series did.

[@campreplay4817]

I agree, especially when the performance clip already shows up, very tempting to watch. They're entertaining sure, but it should've been fallen down from the beginning. I think the way PDX was rigged so bad that it was caught up was the breaking point. Despite the debuted group still ended up popular (for very temporary period), they don't reach the same as they peaked before.

[@Bibi-J]

Don't know if it was This courtcase... But Baekho (Dongho) later from Nu'Est, started a courtcase too, and rightfully so !!! Because the whole show was manipulated and he was supposed to be in totally different place( rank) but came suddenly in a lower place. That's when he knew, things didn't add up. And this wasn't the only point... Many things were wrong here. Also for others. Anyway, he won the case! 👍🥰

[@hvcb270]

We could have baekho jr and minhyuk in 101 but mnet messed with the group It was pretty clear especially with jr and how he was always at the top 11 until the finals, same think with samuel I think it's just mnet strategy to get more audience and shock everyone but it didn't go like they planned

[@raslebury3942]

"every trainee sought out the center bc it almost guaranteed debut" lmao poor ling junyi(on produce china) got the center and didn't make it

[@obbl1gato]

The same thing that happened to Yabuki Nako and Tanaka Miku, happened again this year in boys planet, to Yutaka, Toui and Hyo. And not only that, they gave the boys 0 stars because something happened and they werent there (it wasnt their fault), they never aired or posted the song only the dance practice with all 6 of the members, and set the other 3 members up because they are all japanese and had to learn the other parts as well, but Yutaka ultimately carried them in the dance practice and they wouldve been better thats a L for mnet since Yutaka is really really talented, but he got 0 screentime

[@lenc99]

Sometimes I wonder how the members who know that they got to the final lineup because of their company pay M-net feels. Like do they feel guilty or anxious throughout the whole promotion ?

[@em_miri]

seobin was my number one pick in x101 i was so sad when jyp all of a sudden dropped him amidst false accusations and shit 😭😭😭 it wouldve been nice to see how much further he would've advanced in the show but its also good on him for dodging the shit x1 went through after the rigging scandal broke out. im glad hes doing well as an actor and im looking forward to his future activities!

[@Marimo974]

I thought the "healthy pornography" thing during pd101 was just a dream because of how no one ever talked about it after the show ended...

[@Prince_mt12]

This show has the list of the final members that will end up in the lineup from the very beginning. It is comprised of trainees by middle to big companies. Pledis paid tons of money in this project to seal the spots for atleast 2 of their upcoming girl group. That is why they went so much in debt that year.

[@campreplay4817]

One of pledis biggest mistake, I see.....

[@Zoe-yq4ng]

Good and fair summary. This is the first time I saw some members’s translated English names. So cool

[@sur_un_nuage]

i wouldn’t say any of the post wanna one groups (well there’s only 2) and soloists are struggling, the soloists are doing well for soloists since soloists usually don’t do as well as groups, i wouldn’t say their careers will ever live up to wanna one but it actually doesn’t bother me at all because they were part of something special that can’t be recreated but if we compare them to post ioi careers they’re doing significantly better, probably the most successful group being nu’est who became one of the best selling groups until their disbandment i wouldn’t call that curse, i think the curse followed the ioi members for the most part only wjsn did significantly well, and the post iz*one groups are doing exceptionally well with the soloists doing fairly okay

[@mcfowlerman]

Ah another ignorant one. IOI’s soloists & actresses blows every other seasons away. You can be biased but don’t try to paint an inaccurate picture. Ugh

[@charlottemaenicolebustaman7130]

one must be really tough in joining the music industry :(( so sad to see how the show affected the mental health of the minors, they deserved better :((

[@neokyure]

Yoon Seobin is doing so much better as an actor ! so happy for him

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

I’m glad Parkha seems to not have given up after everything that happened to him in Lucente and Produce when debuting in NIK

[@burnburb]

I never watched Produce, because I knew I would be sad watching it. Like what if I liked a participant and he wouldn't be in the final line up?

[@joshhale9355]

I’m pretty new to this channel, but I never expect a soft voice to come after that intro. It’s a nice twist

[@Mermzies]

Man really said he wanted to make "healthy p0rn" with full confidence while knowing how hard the whole process was for the people involved. That is actually incredibly disgusting holy shi--

[@sabrinaleedance]

I think I kinda get what he meant, that it was like addicting in an aesthetically pleasing way, but still, his choice of words was disturbing

[@imagiguard]

I think a much better term to use what he was aiming for is “reality moe” - reality show meets moe anime. I think you should look into moe shows, though they involve a lot less conflict. Honestly I wanna do a video essay analyzing some Kpop survival shows as “reality moe shows” and how they differ from fully fictional ones. Of course I’ll dive into the dark side of them, as the “cute girls doing cute things” aspect is merely a facade.

[@ana2012321]

Thank you so much for bringing this video!!! I always thought a lot about the Produce Series and their theories, but this video brought a lot of other aspects I’ve never imagined 😱 Keep going!!! Fighting!!! Love from Brazil!!!😘❤️✨🇧🇷

[@Naithesther7085]

Healthy WHAT!? 🤢

[@soobindoll9561]

Was waiting for your upload 😭

[@Gabz98_]

One thing more it's the Go Yujin curse. It's when before the last round with the original song, the one who gets price has the center of the song gets eliminated in the next episode, same happen to Huh Jiwon and Doah in Girls Planet

[@ilknur2095]

I also can't believe that I've JUST REALIZED that one of the purposes of Produce48 was to mock/humiliate the Japanese.

[@lan__2688]

That miyu clip still get me pissed even until now. Whatever theories fans have, whatever reasons that mnet came up with, they were just obviously being dirty. I remembered I yelled aloud back then when I watched it live. If popular members or at least korean members got that part, they definitely wouldn't do that nasty miss. I'm so glad that that nasty pd nim got caught.

[@MsInternationalLov3r]

AleXa🥺still pissed about those 4 votes😤

[@kazuhasgloves]

Man, this is gonna be a long one. I can't wait to grab some goldfish and enjoy it.

[@myragingwhormoans]

sasaengs should be blacklisted from the industry. i don't care how much time passes or how much they've changed, you can't take chances with criminals like that

[@motherhoodsbeauty9279]

They would give people they don’t like little footage but will give people they like extra footage. Like when they went to Kepler Dyoung house. A footage that have nothing to do with the show.

[@mar0445]

Small correction. Lai kualin/Gualin did debut. :)

[@justvibing2171]

It bothers me that grown adults sleep in bunk beds with minors 🥴

[@sotabaka]

welcome to the military/dorm life

[@brennathecatlover4360]

@@sotabaka dude what that’s not wrong they’re competing with each other

[@whatever3287]

I have seen both Chinese and Korean produce idol and in my opinion Chinese is much better they give spot light to alot of participants I could remember alot of them even who got disqualified as compared to korean

[@eggthehotdog935]

I'm sorry but the amount of bullying and sexual harassment scandals baffles me. Like damn don't they check their trainees background?

[@shekelgangiv3411]

“Former members are cursed and never reach popularity again afterwards” Wonyoung, Yujin, Sakura, Chaewon: am I a joke to you?

[@menucafe]

AHHHH im so ready for this video!!! ty for another amazing upload T_T

[@iekha_triples7718]

I am done with any survival show since X1....

[@bryantalvarez6328]

me too, the way they disrespected x1 was astronomical

[@TheMissDebyluv]

the show must be cancelled for the simple reason that it was created. Absolutely disgusting

[@Irgoe]

Healthy pornography and the lyrics of "Pick Me" in S1 is so disgusting. Not to mention they're styled in school uniforms singing "Can you feel me" "Can you hug me tightly"?????? Add the fact that some were minors... Ew. Just so gross. I can't actually listen to that song anymore, or any of the "Pick Me" variations. It's disturbing. Young boys and girls begging people to pick them? Genuinely wtf.

[@OnlySmallPeanut]

These shows should be discontinued. The trainee's already have a company and they may already debut in that company and some of them are already in groups!

[@dirtychaes3452]

All in all, I was never really for these kinda shows because it’s just traumatizing minors and exploiting the trauma on manipulated, superficial television for all the country to see. Just seems sad. Glad it ended 😕

[@LeraEluna]

Lmao this is really 'midnight theories', its uploaded at midnight where I live

[@dohseyes5744]

The show’s director, producers and boa (older people) are so abusive towards these young people who come in with high hopes and self esteem just to be torned down by the same along with the outsiders. I never liked boa’s arrogant aura, she’s not a humble person and thinks her 💩 doesn’t stink but fails to realize she’s the same like the rest of us human. If you have insight and discernment you can see through people just by reading their hearts whether it’s good or bad. I’m so disgusted, perverted people. I feel so bad for these kids.

[@brennathecatlover4360]

U do know the show is scripted and edited right 😂

[@dohseyes5744]

Brenna, yes and I still find it appalling, they could’ve found a different way to go about it. Emotional scars leave deep disturbing psychological warfare wounds of oneself, that’s why the suicide rate is very high in Korea and these so called adults should know better. Shame on them!!!

[@Aaang6]

Idk if she's a good person or not but it's funny how you focus on her when she's just an Idol lol you can be hating on the one that says he created the show thinking about porn and her sisters and stuff🤡

[@dohseyes5744]

Hey August I think you’re seeing red. I don’t hate that’s such a strong ugly word like jealous, envy etc. I said never liked because she’s SM and supposedly supposed to be an example and this is not the 1st time her demeanor has failed. I know why I said it and you can say whatever you like about me I love who I am, I’m not insecure or sensitive to other peoples thoughts. So go for yours.

[@Aaang6]

@@dohseyes5744 I didn't really said anything about you good or bad lmao I didn't say you hate her either read again I said that you CAN be hating on those men that were behind making decisions that hurt trainees but you take your time to hate on her particularly that call my attention the way you take my comment also call my attention it's funny that you said that you're not sensitive and the other things saying that on a comment? You just end up looking the opposite lol

[@orophile1842]

My rbf will not survived an hour with those evil edit

[@keithkeithkeith8998]

Congrats on 100k 🥳

[@anngrace7778]

24:14 IM SORRY WHAT 😨

[@edavidbruce]

16:13 Somi working the audience like it’s a wrestling storyline lmao

[@hvcb270]

Idk if everyone will agree with me but shows like mixnine,boys planet and i-land are really worth waching from the beginning till the final episodes, the ranks announcement are pretty logic,unlike produce series where u get shock by the final lineup and how strange it is I just feel sorry for the trainees that were robbed from their spots