Dark Confessions of “Forgotten” Idols || Miss Back

[@earlgreytea6246]

It breaks my heart that Soyeon believed her trauma and experiences weren’t “enough” for the show... no one should ever feel like their experiences or feelings are less than anyone else’s... all are valid

[@inbpch]

Wasn‘t it because she thought that she had experienced what the other couldn‘t. Before the scandal she had a really successful career with T-ARA but the other group such as Wassup or Crayon Pop weren‘t. I understood it as such that she wanted the others to give a chance to have that experience as well.

[@chiuxxtrain]

@@inbpch honestly when she left the viewership dropped iirc so... oop...

[@p4r4g0n]

I frequently ask myself how she and the participants might have benefited from her participation if she had stayed. She seemed like someone who had a lot to offer and would have benefited from the show.

[@tripthelightfantasticfey7456]

It's very common for trauma victims, especially if they've been through some mental/emotional difficulties as well, like T-Ara's bullying scandal. It's so sad. I wish her all the best.

[@relfungen2050]

But did she actually want to be a part of another group ? Soyeon was so lazy in T-ara, she barely move and did the choreographies. She was way worse than jennie bcs atleast jennie did it in one period time, soyeon did it in almost every single comeback and concerts that she attended. Worse is, She was the main vocalist and could absolutely sing very beautifully but then she barely sing live anymore, even jiyeon who has no foundation in singing was more stable than her, not bcs jiyeon has a great technique or anything but bcs soyeon just didnt bother to sing.

[@jillchinnt]

The fact that earning at least 50% of the profits is uncommon among idols..

[@elzi8391]

it's so infuriating, isn't it? i hope that the show and that part of it gives the audience in korea and (hopefully) the industry a wake up call. i know the industry part probably won't happen as there are many money hungry people at the top of it. but maybe it'll inspire someone to start a company that treats their employees more fairly and gives their artists better recognition financially.

[@rashiagarwal3113]

Only YG gives more than 50% Big hit and JYP around 40-50% While SM only gives 5% While other companies don't even pay the artists for first 4-5 years.

[@haqiyoo]

@@rashiagarwal3113 LOL got the data to prove that shit? Or you just yapping out of ur ass? If SM only gives 5%, only SNSD would be living at least decently. SMH

[@nmta_2000]

@@rashiagarwal3113 this isnt accurate at all lmao😭 they are payed in different categories like album sales, oversea activities, music sales or streaming and whatnot.

[@chanbaekbestboy5847]

@@haqiyoo thats true , i dont believe sm gives only 5% to Sm artists because thats too little , and how can they manage to still be an artist after receiving only 5% of profits.

[@mooncherrie]

it would be really interesting to see ex pristin members on the show spilling the tea about pledis

[@mariannafollador3065]

DUDE please yessss

[@ajurice2682]

I can imagine Yebin or Kyla doing that. I want to see it.

[@ajurice2682]

Wait, isn't Raina there?

[@StanMiihii]

SAME

[@Starplatinumtheworldora]

It should be Kyla 100%

[@teejee2158]

I was and am a big fan of Stellar. When they disbanded, I was so happy, because I knew the members wanted to run away. Their music was great, but their company did them so dirty and really didn't respect them.

[@boni9033]

true, they released so much bops, but i still want them to be happy

[@tokismth319]

the part that's frustrating is that the music was SO good they didn't need to put those concepts on those songs whatsoever. They could have been slightly sexy without pushing those members past their limits because the music was that good.

[@asiacheetah1010]

I don't like very many Kpop songs, but I really like Vibrato. Not the MV of course, but that song is a bop.

[@kristianprayoga1139]

Marrionette, Vibrato, Sting are best song from them

[@silvermist_fairy]

I fell in love with them from their Sting song. I was like what this is so good? Then I saw they always released such good music. Mask, Insomnia, Vibrato, Marionette they are all amazing. Plus the girls are so talented and nice I still remember when their back track stopped during a performance and they kept going on with the live vocals. Very much professionalism. I will forever be mad that their company wasted their talents by promoting them in such an awful way that also affected the girls mental health.

[@annie_xo]

I hate it when people judge idols for having a certain concept/look, do people really not understand that the idols have literally no say in what their companies decide to do?

[@kakkoyokatta1929]

and they signed their contract knowing that. responsibility for everyone. too easy blame everything on the company when things go bad and praise only the idol when things go well

[@Elsi-Music]

@@kakkoyokatta1929 For many people it’s the only way out of poverty. They sign contracts as 13 year old girls they have no idea what they’re getting themselves into. We can praise idols for their talents and hard work but much of the physical, digital content, and costumes are irrelevant and not chosen by the girls.

[@lovelydiva06]

@@kakkoyokatta1929 shut up the companies definitely do more wrong than the artist and we expect them to know better as the grown adults and the idols are usually quite young

[@mylittleone9440]

There was no 'duality' or 'opposite charm' back then so people tend to expect idols behave just like when they were on the stage or camera. Idols these days especially female idols are so lucky coz public love it when they're being crackedheads or chaotic, back then no gg able to do so, they would be criticized by the public and being scolded by the agency.

[@selsixxmari]

Ikr

[@Alexandra-oj4ik]

How the hell do you get from being in EXID to becoming a waitress in two years? They were huge, one would expect the members would be able to comfortably retire after investing the past earnings, but nope. Screw this industry.

[@Aerinzone]

since the Company sucks and probably got ALL of the money and when they were in EXID, hani is the MOST popular so the demand forHani is big so she's the only in some shows. So maybe that's why hyelin or hyelim didn't got so much money. Kpop industry sucks

[@L.Lavender]

Ikr????

[@vixenpom9337]

So the reason she’s working as a waitress is because their company went bankrupt and couldn’t pay them. Do she started working as a waitress so they could buy their names back. I read an article on that.

[@crunktina6357]

This literally pissed me off like they deserve better.

[@sherrie8221]

Thank you!!!!! How does that happen??? They aren’t paying the members anything...they’re basically being pimped out and making their company owners money. It’s horrible and sad. You can see how the idols change from their debut/rookie days ..their ecstatic to finally debut and promote their single and as the years pass you see the light leave their eyes. Watch their performances,they’re just going through the motions. Sadly,it has happened to Mamamoo as well. It’s unfortunate that the industry destroys the confidence and self esteem of those young men and women.

[@tanatswataruvinga]

It really bothers me that after years of performance in a group the girls end up being servers in restaurants and food delivery girls...

[@user-lf1os3sh5c]

The training period is so rigourous that they can't pursue an education, even as a backup, often pursuing college degrees that have little to no use in helping them find a stable job. The idol world is such a high risk high reward system. Their careers are expected to be short lived and if they make it, they make all the money they can in that short time and invest that in to ventures that will hopefully sustain them for the rest of their lives. Otherwise they are doomed. Either they go back to university to study and get a job or are left working different part time jobs, trying to make ends meet.

[@Jack-ph2hq]

Mainly because if you don't debut before age 25/26 you get cast away asap. Almost happened to Eunbi, she wouldn't have debut if it wasn't for izone. Because of this, idols start very early in their lives at young teens so they skip education/home tutor for it. It's a horrible cycle especially since alot of them don't get famous at all.

[@mylittleone9440]

@@Jack-ph2hq eunbi had debuted in a gg before izone. It's more like she redebuting through it

[@kamora.ashley]

Thank why think doing acting and being an idols kinda goos

[@QueenQueen0824]

@@mylittleone9440 yeah and her group flopped and she was already like 22 when it disbanded, so produce 48 could've actually saved her career as an idol

[@divinegracedelossantos5823]

Cant imagine after this 3rd gen 4th gen idols after they disband the stories they will tell to public like this girls. We know how toxic kpop industry is and they are using under are kids to fit the concept they want when thid kids are only freaking 14-15 years old. They are force to mature for their age. Uuugh. Just imagining the story theyll tell in the future if they disband, i already feel disgusted.

[@pastelhotmess9299]

I knoww omg its sad

[@cat-sd5cr]

I’m already so unprepared for how this is likely going happen

[@coliebrii]

@@ilickgrandmas2854 then lets stop supporting all the music industry un general since we have the same problem in my country and in main stream in general

[@aestheticcat8976]

There's actually a girl group that is going to debute members within the 13 year old age range.

[@lucyheartfilia2073]

@@aestheticcat8976 who???

[@veeval110]

It’s so sad how someone like Rania from afterschool and Hyelin from EXID who were HUGE, are just now working as part time workers. The payment is so unfair

[@hilaholo6822]

I think Hyelin actually being a waitress because she's an active person one and now with lots of free time, she feels like she needs to work. I forgot where she stated it

[@chenellesantana]

It’s so sad that the industry can chew you up and spit you out smhhhh only some idols will be able to have a “long” successful career

[@chuuvestrain2712]

"it's sad that the industry can chew you up and spit you out" that was really well said, thank you 👏👏

[@aestheticcat8976]

Yet there's people that badly want to be part of it, blindly ignoring the darker side to kpop. The side people don't even address from Saesangs, strict diets, strict exercise, packed schedules, strict company rules, strict contracts, being under paid, company mistreatment, online b*llies, s*xualization of group members (especially the younger ones) and so much more. Mental health is a joke it seems, every little thing is monitored and at times treated like a scandal. Like for instance when they show their true emotions, people tend to call the idol rude or cold. You can't even breathe in the same space as the opposite gender, that means dating scandals and so fort. Let's also not forget the shippers, they have actually ruined friendships for idols.

[@sunshineyrainbows13]

It's mostly boy groups that last long, too.

[@killeryhiltons8499]

@@aestheticcat8976 you forgot sponsorship. I feel bad for these girls yikes .

[@gerison320]

I swear all 4 ladies of 2NE1 could be here.. They were done dirty. Also I'd like to see any of the original Rania members.

[@Zha-ke]

Especially Bom

[@rejeylola]

but sandara/dara have a solid and stable career 1 year before and after 2ne1 disbandement: mc from season one of two yoo project sugarman in 2015-2016 with her mentors in mc and korean music, yoo jae suk, yoo hee yeol and lyricist and her friend, kim eana, she miss 2 episodes (episodes 9 and 24 or 25 due to prior commitments) get it beauty with actress/friend lee seyoung, mentor for korean beauty, honey lee, former gugudan leader kim sejeong but she leave midway due to her group activites. get it beauty on the road singapore season with singaporean artiste and her friends, chantalle ng tay ying follow me review on with her co-mcs and friends: kim jisook of rainbow, tv personality and former microsoft marketer oh young joo, former sbs reporter and interpreter ahn hyunmo, comedian and trot singer kim na hee and actress yoon so hui/so hee video star from episode 130 (from guest mc in episodes 126, 128-129, but she miss episodes 260 and 261 to priority commitments) park sohyun, kim sook and park narae fixed judge for king of mask singer since february 7 episode celeb beauty 3 idol league 3 4 times attending paris fashion week in 2018-2019 even march 2020 but pandemic started, cast member for my music teacher mingabar, borrowed trouble, cameo on dinner mate etc to many to mention

[@salmanadilla1132]

@@Zha-ke I really want to blame knetz for Bom's case they are the worst

[@Katfully_foody]

More like bom bcz of haters

[@rodie3602]

Not CL

[@reyanime]

I never knew T-ara got a black ocean. I've only known about the SNSD one.

[@suzykilla4923]

@fhorsey it's very rare, so far it's only happened to snsd and T-ara

[@schmoneysworld3790]

I'm still mad that one girl wanting all the attention ruined the careers of the whole group in their home country only to be salvaged years later but never again at it's former glory

[@thistle4417]

@@suzykilla4923 bts,twice and seventeen get the black ocean too

[@winwinner6674]

@@suzykilla4923 EXO got a black ocean too at their begining of their career

[@agirlinpark1018]

@@suzykilla4923 its also happened to bts and one other group whose name i forgot

[@elzi8391]

ik f(x) technically was successful but i'd love to see one of the girls from there on a second season. i feel they probably have some experiences to share. maybe one of the girls from pristin and/or gugudan too.

[@MidnightTheories]

I thought the same thing about fx! I could see Luna being a great addition to the show

[@havensohn3821]

Probably in the 3rd season tho. If there's a second season it'll probably be from male nugu groups.

[@blackroseinbloom]

@@MidnightTheories especially knowing she was promiaed a comeback by sm that would be a full album in 2016 that never happened. I'd love to see what happened for her and her group mates to be pushed aside

[@Boon-iv6pd]

Oof, f(x) would legit b great for this shit. Being one of their fans and watching them get dragged around when Exo and Red velvet came out was really so hard. It’s really not a surprise we lost Jonghyun, Sulli and Goo Hara. They all belonged in that same era of kpop. I’m sure people like SNSD and AfterSchool have tons and tons of awful stories. I never can see kpop the same way after that shit. Such a fake industry with money being tossed around just to have these grand ass music shows, but for what? So u can mistreat our idols and cause them to get into major accidents that forever change their life. Plus, the camera movement is always over the top, so much of it. Shit hurts my eyes, u can’t even see the performance half the time bc they too worried about catching someone’s facial expression during this one part. 🙄🙄

[@twice_velvet]

@@Boon-iv6pd please don't belittle depression and domestic abuse down to kpop. it's really a whole different situation.

[@jrmy__]

If there would be a second season, I would like to see someone from Rainbow, Secret and SPICA. And for newer groups, I would like someone from DIA, PRISTIN, GUGUDAN and maybe ANS or LABOUM.

[@blackroseinbloom]

Or even f(x) and Miss A. They had fame but their companies did them so dirty more than once

[@meowzy2439]

FNS 😭 they really have (had?) sooooooo much potential

[@nathadecoco4447]

9muses too

[@jesusizquierdo6385]

@@blackroseinbloom yeah! specially Luna

[@imdva]

for pristin, Pledis Entertainment does not know how to manage idols who get successful songs out there. Orange Caramel had so much potential and look where they are now :(

[@cottonsan5226]

This is why I will never take it against them if idols decide to go on hiatus and then never come back to the industry.

[@noneofyourbusiness7094]

It is very eye opening how many talented women have their careers ruined because of rumors that aren't true and concepts that they didn't choose.

[@kagurasaori1661]

Sera of Nine Muses story hit me hard. Her group deserves a lot of music show wins during 2013-2014. Sad that her former label company did not treat her as human. I wish all of the ladies who participated Miss Back the best in their respective careers.

[@Peachiebun]

I wanna see someone from HelloVenus on there. Just to talk about their drastic transition musically like Stellar! Also some of the new disbanding groups like Gugudan and Pristin. Especially for Xiyeon and Eunwoo!

[@TianXiaoMao]

I loved HelloVenus so much. Alice in particular would be a perfect candidate to be in the next season.

[@GrimzyShake]

I read a comment that said the viewership on this show was low and that makes me so sad because the concept is so good and needed. We need more queens supporting queens behavior and that includes in the fandoms. Give these idols back their humanity.

[@yaneerenomeron4166]

ikr..

[@superdol18]

I think they just need to add in fresher n younger lineups, like DIA n PRISTIN..viewers these days dont even know SNSD, let alone all these poor ladies..so they need a stan attractor that will make some buzz first off..maybe if they tried it with boygrps it will be more successful, as most has better longevity and younger fans tend to know them to an extent

[@ChaimaF-us8nk]

Which show? Queendome?

[@LookItsSani]

I started watching this show, but I couldn't even finish the first episode because of Sera's story. I'm split between wanting to support idols for their efforts and not wanting to come near another kpop song because it also puts money into the agency's pockets

[@amsrroleplaylila7173]

So you want to support the idols but quit watching the show? To turn your happy bubbly lively kpop back on? Seems like a you problem

[@parisortiz8731]

@@amsrroleplaylila7173 omg you don’t get what they said

[@FlorenceRichardAmbam]

What is the title of the show?

[@kitsch590]

@Jaco Actually, that's the music industry in general. A lot of famous American stars didn't make money or were in deep debt.

[@emilybell5462]

@@FlorenceRichardAmbam the show is called "Miss Back"

[@arshiyarahee7031]

this reminds me of that tweet epik high made during the kakaom vs spotify incident. its always the fans and artist that suffer when businesses place greed over art.

[@magroves]

What did the tweet say

[@magical-soap5359]

@@magroves It is that last sentence, "Fans and artists suffer when companies place greed over art."

[@theraffypascual]

Speaking of Kakao M (now Kakao Entertainment), the production company behind "Miss Back" is actually a subsidiary of it 😆😆😆

[@themightygirlmia]

I was able to see Ryu Sera live while I was in Korea in 2018 and she honestly has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard. It was a small concert but it was amazing and she deserves so much more than she was given!!

[@khusnulriadhi6374]

11:11 BTW, sera has have a twitch channel now as ryusera. So if you have time visited her twitch, you can.

[@Marte0107]

Ex Pristin members. Ex Gugudan members Ex f(x) members. Ex Miss A members I would say they would have a lot of tea and talent to spill

[@933roastduck]

Ya spilling and ask you to stfu. What there to spill about? Either you popular or not.you sound like a loser when u done get something. The agency don't owe them. They went audition on their own accord. Company don't owe them..

[@hectzen23]

@@933roastduck go back to stan twitter

[@danishqusairi420]

@@933roastduck ew company stan.

[@hottestarlight]

yes please!!

[@valnadis8577]

2 of Miss A's members are now in a chinese girl group!

[@iritheljungleheart3672]

It's just so rare to see girl groups lasting for 10 years or more. I think there are currently 2 or 3 groups who have did it already

[@aoitakumi9081]

Sadly, usually they wont renew their contract once it expires or disband after a few years.

[@stormblaze26]

SNSD and Apink already passed the 10th year mark! Looking forward to GFriend as they are looking forward also in renewing their contract with Source Music.

[@stormblaze26]

@Sangay Zam yeah, it sucks.

[@HahaHaha-hs7ln]

@@stormblaze26 and let’s be honest snsd will never have a comeback with all the members. At this point sm can disband this group but we all know that sm won’t do it.

[@yumyum9902]

@@HahaHaha-hs7ln the members said they cant have a comeback together because their schedules are too busy and they don't have time when all of them are free. they did appear of a show all together recently.

[@ShortNeckedAlpaca]

i didn't knew this show existed! it's so heartwarming to see these idols get a second chance to prove their talents. And it's so scary to see how much a baseless rumor can affect and even ruin someone's career, i'm sure korea has a lot of good things, but the amount of attention and authority that they give to random strangers on the internet is honestly disgusting

[@KatinkaMaika]

I know it's beside the topic, but I just wanna say I love your Ketnipz Avatar! 😊

[@ShortNeckedAlpaca]

@@KatinkaMaika hey thank you!

[@AidenB018]

Soyeon literally being hated for EVERYTHING even dating, having nose job. She were just open and honest with fans

[@bddreamexo]

Sera of Nine Muses is such an angel. It warms my heart that she uses her YT channel to promote groups. Her story is sad 😔 she definitely deserves better.

[@ciderxera4963]

The Ark had so much potential together. I loved their song "The Light" so muchhhh

[@jrmy__]

I'm just happy that Subin is doing well rn. I didn't know such backstory she had until I watch this. I really love her songs since her solo debut 💕

[@sun8843]

Imagine what happened to way smaller groups whp werent able to appear here. I mean, these girls are relatively known and this much shit happened to them, just imagine what kind of horrors happened to other idols who weren't able to make it.

[@infinitedeukaetezz]

Finally a show that actually bring justice for the idols!!

[@Mari-sc4mg]

Crayon pop is one of my all time favorite groups so I'm sad they split and with how they were treated but the girls all seem to have gone their ways and be happy so I'm happy (:

[@Mr_DPZ]

The story of Crayon Pop's career is wild. It would make a great movie.

[@karitzelle]

Same here :')

[@ajohulala8926]

Pop pop..

[@ninanano]

i hope miss back gets renewed but the viewership was very low so i doubt it's gonna happen... a shame because there are so many singers that deserve to be part of a show like this. maybe even make a male version or a co-ed version. and the show format needs revamping. it's such an amazing idea for a reality show and a breath of fresh air after the survival show craze, yet it didn't reach it's full potential.

[@MayMay93]

They should do it on KZbin and TV

[@ninanano]

@@MayMay93 i think the broadcaster is a cable channel so i doubt they would consider that

[@AyakoHideko]

Oh... That's sad to hear :( I'm falling down a nostalgia rabbit hole rn from the time I used to be a kpop fan when some of these girl groups were still in prominence, so this video was very insightful for me, and I hoped that they would continue the show since I am also interested in tuning in.

[@AyakoHideko]

@@MayMay93 oh! I wonder if Netflix is interested in picking up the idea 👀

[@theraffypascual]

@@AyakoHideko the production company behind the show is actually a subsidiary of Kakao Kakao has its own streaming platform and some of their shows are streamed either on Netflix or Disney plus

[@GleeChan]

Damn. Miss Back is like a god-send. Not only does it reunite past fans with their old favorites and give idols a second chance in the industry, but it allows them to heal and be themselves without company meddling. I honestly think this show could go on indefinitely given the amount of acts that have come and gone for various reasons. Hell, even members from successful groups sometimes don't break out on their own because they weren't the draw of the group originally. So this really is a good thing for everyone.

[@boni9033]

every woman on this show was and is amazing. i have no words. and soyeon, your experience is valued, your voice is heard, and i appreciate how you took a step back for the other members' stories.

[@ValyTraveler]

The thing that always - irks me is when "fans" take their crap out on the talent and not on the management that is making the talent do these things for their own kinks...

[@anntonettet6833]

Right, it's like they actually wanted the idols to fail in order to slander them however they want.

[@melisacaceres8740]

This is exactly why some idols get into acting, bussines, fashion or media before retiring/leaving their groups. They need a plan b and longevity.

[@JordanWilliams-ix2td]

The kpop industry makes the American entertainment Industry look like paradise

[@xxLivingMyWayxx]

It's in the same spot the American industry was in 20-30 years ago. Probably due to later industrialization.

[@tobydawes6007]

its because Korea is very much a pure capitalism system that exploits people as the idols don't have much if any rights and don't have unions to represent them in negotiations.

[@00.miu_]

The American industry is just as bad. You’d be surprised about all the sex rings, harassment, pedophiles, drugs, etc. goes on in the industry. Both Kpop and America industries are dark and disgusting 🙁 But I do agree the Kpop/Korean industry is so much more harsher on idols because they want them to be “perfect”

[@CoCo-ov9eb]

Pedophilia and sexual assault is still in the American entertainment industry unfortunately

[@bebebongBaebae]

It's just as bad. Idol industry is just an extreme version of an already corrupted music industry

[@powerpuff4ever]

I hate watching reality and talk shows so I wasn’t aware of this but it honestly hurts that members of ALL my favorite groups from middle/high school are featured on something like this. I knew they struggled under their companies and I’ve always been aware of how harsh public scrutiny can but it’s still hurtful to see how traumatized some of them have been. I hate feeling like any of them are forgotten by the public

[@p4r4g0n]

It was a pretty good show case of talent, definitely worth a watch. Unfortunately you'll only find english subbed episodes for the first 11 only if I remember correctly. All episodes can be found on KZbin.

[@kpopempire1475]

They really need to start holding these management agencies accountable for the treatment of their employees!

[@Sawol_ss]

But it came out years later how hwayoung was the one who acted as a victim and never wanted to participate in a group activity 😭😭 and then how her twin sent a threatening message to Areum who joined the group and was the youngest. It’s soo sad how they had to go downhill coz of one person 😔 t-are was one of the groups I loved and grew up with like Snsd. I wish the bet for the members!

[@nightjaronthegate]

Hwayoung never played the victim or accused T-ara of anything, and the idea that she never wanted to participate in group activities is just made-up nonsense that you probably picked up reading other people's comments. She dropped out of two concerts because of an injury, and for that the fans have condemned her to a lifetime of hate. The threat from Hyoyoung was bad and I'm not going to make any excuse for it, but it came after three days of an acrimonious dispute between Hwayoung and the other members and marks the end of Hwayoung's involvement in the group. There were a lot of people who contributed to T-ara's problems and it is unfair to put all the blame on Hwayoung. You may find my history of the scandal interesting. The True Story of the T-ara Bullying Scandal t-ara-and-hwayoung.blogspot.com

[@__L563]

@@nightjaronthegate Her not practicing that day broke everything! Such a selfish person, and on top of that never spoke the truth! She along with their stupid company broke T-ara... Played the victim silently and went on with her acting career while the girls career was destroyed until the truth was revealed.

[@rolypolyvibes]

@@nightjaronthegate What about the "taxi" show hwayoung did back then? Isn't she plays victim there? Which lead to the truth from t-ara staff at that time, and you're right about the company is the worst things in this scandal and the other members had to deal with it for a long years

[@allthingsbloggy]

I sat down to watch this whole video, and it was so worth it. it's insane to see how some of the groups that I loved were so mistreated, and how many are mistreated today. Thank you for organizing the information in such a way that was so impactful :(

[@aimy1233]

I'd love to see Spica, they have been one of the best vocal groups I've seen and I've always felt that they didn't get much attention due to marketing

[@rejeylola]

exid's seo hyelin currently one of the mcs of celeb beauty 3 of kbs joy with actress lee si-young, rapper dindin, model/actress jung hye-sung and sandara park (2ne1) artist, mc and actress this year

[@potatochips1255]

Usually, kpop groups can only survive due to the name of their agency. It is so sad that some talents are not well appreciated. The reason why Im into not so popular idols.

[@starchannel123]

It always makes me sad to see smaller companies with super talented artists that never get the appreciation they deserve

[@abril6392]

It's so sad seeing companies take advantage of women's bodies and market them as objects. South Korea should protect their idols, 9 muses and Stellar's companies should be sued for their actions.

[@karinarodriguez8095]

What a great show, not only give to these women the oportunity of tell their stories, but also give them a stage and a treat.

[@rwyssy]

wow sera is an amazing woman. none of what she did was unprofessional and i'm so glad she's spreading awareness about mental health. 💕

[@jkaygoulet]

It's weird, being from the u.s., to bear about things that are considered scandalous in Korea. Going to a club, smoking (although unhealthy, not scanadlous,) dating, drinking, wearing sexy clothing, having adult fun of any kind. Those are all things that are very regular occurrences in our culture. In fact, it is sometimes weird to not see famous people going out & everyone generally wears their own style now, which for many is sexy, revealing clothing. It's unfortunate that South Korean idols are expected to maintain such impossible standards when they are just people like the rest of us & they too need a release from reality sometimes. As a fan, I don't feel like this is as standard today in kpop as in the past, do you? I still think restrictions on idol relationships is overly harsh & unnecessary, as everyone needs love. However, fans that are more aware of current Korean's feelings please tell me, is there still the same stigma around drinking & clubbing as before?

[@Butterfly_towards_jannah]

That's Asian culture

[@lkim393]

Korea is still a very much conservative society, despite what kpop would have you think. The vast majority of Korean people still have views on "scandalous" behavior akin to what America thought, say, back in the seventies, which makes sense if you think about it. It's important to remember that the South Korean republic was established less than 100 years ago, and Korea's rapid rise from 3rd-world to 1st-world explains some things about the current culture. It really depends on the region you're in: places like Hongdae and Gangnam have a very lively drinking and clubbing culture, but in less urbanized (and youthful) regions, usually outside of Seoul, you probably won't find hemlines as short or crazy hair colors. Just like some small-town midwestern cities in the US would consider clubbing and drinking to be particularly wild in comparison to the LA nightlife, the same is in Korea, just on a different scale. Generally I feel as if the new generation is gaining a much more liberal view of "fun" (as the nightlife is usually centered around college towns, Hongdae being an example) and Korea will continue to change. I don't live in Korea, so some of this might be a misperception, but this is the sense I get from visiting and consuming Korean media.

[@dylankennedy4539]

It feels very early to mid 2000s USA to me.

[@MG-mq3zf]

I hear that many of these restrictions are b/c the companies behind these idols want the fans to "project" whatever they want onto the idols and imagine themselves being with them in a romantic way. It's hard for fans to imagine themselves with the idols if the idols date or have lives outside of carefully planned songs/ads.

[@kazuhasgloves]

man, you just keep getting better and better with these videos.

[@prox9180]

My heart aches for everything these women had to go through and are still going through. The people behind these disgusting things need to be held accountable.

[@shhd2105]

Notice how it's only women? Not saying male idols don't have it hard but female idols have so much more pressure

[@williamwilliams1368]

If there was a Season 2 the Line Up should be: Kaeun of After School Nayoung of I.O.I and Pristin Mimi of Gugudan Someone from 9Muses And a member of a short lived group But majority 3rd gen groups.

[@aliceb609]

if Mimi was on a season 2 it would be so cool if Liu Xiening was a guest star on one of the episodes!

[@kitschro]

my first thought was Kaeun also.

[@sktzn6829]

Oh my god Kaeun. Joining a group only to have 1 comeback and then go on an indefinite hiatus, then to participate in the biggest survival show and top the rankings for weeks only to get rigged out of a winning spot in the final. I can't imagine how bad she feels. Same goes for Idol School Haein. Imagine finding out that you WON the entire survival show but got rigged out of the whole lineup.

[@kristinejxxv]

T-ara was wronged so much 😭

[@cecile1535]

It’s crazy and so sad that netizens can just make up false rumors to slander an idol or whole group and it can tarnish their image for years to come, ruin them or even force them to quit the industry even though it comes out that they were false...😭

[@humanthefinn3409]

I saw a clip, it was from Hello Counselor. There was one girl who complained that her boyfriend or brother (I forgot) was body shaming her - calling her "fat" though she has an average body. F(x) was also there. One host asked the guy that what's his standard weight to look skinny and if there was one of the members who think has a great body. Then he body shamed Sulli because she looks fat to him. (She looks skinny to me) After that, not sure if that was one of the reasons why she lost weight but damn.. the body standard in Korea is too unrealistic. Seriously.

[@maddiej2165]

It’s so sad that some of these girls had to go through these terrible things. I wish the best for all of these girls. I hope they all try to find some peace within themselves and learn to overcome some of the trauma they will have to carry throughout their entire life.

[@Whoisthis2003]

I would love to see ex AOA members ChoA and Mina on a season 2

[@elizabethgomez1573]

We already have an understanding on why Mina left but I would really love to know what happened to Choa

[@rinrin9236]

@@elizabethgomez1573 ChoA originally left the group because of poor mental health ( I believe she had depression and anxiety). It was never verified if she developed mental health problems as a result of being in AOA or outside factors, but I've heard that she's now a solo artist and makes music on her KZbin channel.

[@isafarooq1721]

@@rinrin9236 She was being harassed by antis who were constantly putting her into controversies. Even the dating rumors with Lee Seok Jin were due to the antis taking pictures of the two of them together while Choa's sister was also there the entire time out-of-frame. Information about her struggles are out there if you know Korean but the English information is really bad due to the rampant mistranslations by i-elvises

[@kitsch590]

@@elizabethgomez1573 I"d like to see Mina get her redemption story.

[@sophiemoonlight5712]

Leave them they can't talk about that again !!!

[@powerpuff4ever]

I’ve been so impressed with how personal and liberated Subin’s solo work is and I really hope that any of the others who are actively trying to get back into the industry are able to find their voices outside of the associations of their pasts. I’m excited for them

[@rayna5561]

I remember vividly when the incident happened with t ara I was so heart broken knowing all these years it was fake rumours! These girls would have been the same ranking as snsd! I was a true fans of t ara !

[@pandaeyes595]

I was too. I was a Queen(Fandom name) before and after the rumors. They were my fave group 😔

[@janjanbernarte2679]

I want to see BESTie Uji. Omg I want to hear her explanation regarding her leaving EXID and the struggles the group (BESTie) experienced.

[@kumaxhime]

As someone who has been listening to Kpop for 12 years, I remember all of these groups and had no idea at the time that they had gone through so much trauma. They deserved so much better and I really hope they're all happy now 😭😭😭

[@user-lf1os3sh5c]

The training period is so rigourous that they can't pursue an education, even as a backup, often pursuing college degrees that have little to no use in helping them find a stable job. The idol world is such a high risk high reward system. Their careers are expected to be short lived and if they make it, they make all the money they can in that short time and invest that in to ventures that will hopefully sustain them for the rest of their lives. Otherwise they are doomed. Either they go back to university to study and get a job or are left working different part time jobs, trying to make ends meet.

[@ludoludo80]

the stories of Soyeon and Raina have break my heart in pieces ... all this woman used and abused and sent away like garbage ... I love them and I can't accept this , they give me a lot of happiness in my past in my darkest day ... and to know that they aren't safe or happy now breaks my heart

[@jillchinnt]

I found out through this video that Orange Caramel isn't coming back lol😢

[@Mari-sc4mg]

Kinda thought it was obvious at this point considering only nana is still under that label i think

[@jillchinnt]

@@Mari-sc4mg I don't follow it so closely so I didn't know. I just assumed they were on hiatus or something😅

[@Sellennaaa]

Wow this is sad, I would love to see artists over 30...

[@Tara-cu6ff]

You should support Brave girls and stream their recent mv we ride then! It's really good ^-^

[@starchannel123]

There are a few but yea it's sad. It's also more acceptable for men but not women.

[@Sellennaaa]

@@Tara-cu6ff oh definitely!

[@aprils1888]

Also speaking about 9MUSES EUErin, MinHa and HyunAh, released a song together today

[@dramaticegg]

what's it called?

[@aprils1888]

@@dramaticegg "Always Be"

[@valemedina4473]

@@aprils1888 I just love how Hyuna is slowly doing songs with all the ex members hehe.

[@tear_tea]

Hyunah is from 9muses??

[@evija87]

@@tear_tea Not the same Hyuna :) 9Muses Hyuna full name is Moon Hyun-Ah and WG+4Minute Hyuna - Kim Hyun-ah.

[@niallove]

i loved (and still love) nine muses so much. I follow all of them and the bond they have with each other is so endearing. I really wish they had gotten more success because all their songs are hits in my book (except for playboy, they all said they hated it so I do too)

[@VlannCo]

seriously, their company sabotaged them and blamed everything on poor Sera 🥺

[@kortaffel]

T-Ara is handsdown my bias. I would love to see the girls back in action. Boram's smile is soooo wonderful and Soyeon's voice is just angelic

[@channelxcaramelo]

Omggggg i wanted to watch the shows but it makes me sad so this recap is GREAAAAAATT yes, i love your content

[@lianalonge1984]

8:31 Yea. I’m 50 years old and if I found out that ANYONE hit/slapped and mistreated my daughter, I promise you he’d never touch her again.

[@XHikarixxx]

I was younger during the time of the t-ara drama and I remember HATING the members for "bullying" Hwayoung. I took my liking and want to be a fan of t-ara and dedicated it to hwayoung. I feel so bad now knowing it was the girls who were fine and that liar was ruining them. Im forever regretful for thinking that way.

[@evilgenius_ks]

same here

[@at1iq354]

and the way hwayoung is still actively acting...

[@missy_oldshool]

Same i was a big hater and now i'am really regretful ...

[@ArisaW]

Thank you for compiling all this info and sharing this video. It really brought back a lot of past memories of an era that has passed. We need more of these women healing and empowerment shows.

[@melisacaceres8740]

I was ok until i heard about Raina's struggle, being an amazing vocalist and songwriter i thought she would be ok. It broke my heart, same with Hyelin's experience

[@Dibee1971]

I had the opportunity to watch all the episodes. Sera's story broke my heart the most. I would love to see Choa and Mina from AOA, members of Pristin, Park Bom the list is endless! I love the concept and it bring these talented ladies to the limelight again

[@youniverse6841]

I support these women and this show. I'm really happy such a show was made and gave these girls another chance as small as it may be, at least they were able to express and also vent about the emotional stress they went through.

[@njarasoarumpf8464]

i fell in love with Sera since this horrifying documentary and she is such a nice person. She is doing her best for this cruel industry. stan heeeer.

[@VlannCo]

lets stream her music on spotify!!

[@edvaedan9161]

This was really powerful Sera and Subin are two of my favorite singers. I knew some of their stories but this really put them in focus. The other ladies stories were painful too. I wish them all the best.

[@JAGGBarrientos]

Hopefully Girls from The Wonder Girls, Jessica, Kara, Momoland, etc.. next season. I thought that EXID had extended their Contracts in Japan for 2 years??

[@andredrw289]

I thought that Soyeon was still a member of T-ara? Man this show is so uplifting but so sad too

[@melody-tq3uq]

soyeon and boram both left mbk and haven’t promoted with t-ara since

[@andredrw289]

@@melody-tq3uq yeah I know hey left MBK but the 4 other girls have said they’re still members

[@rolypolyvibes]

Soyeon is focusing on her solo career now but still talking with other members (even boram) and they support her for her solo album. they didn't say they leave t-ara, they only leave mbk, hopefully they will reunite again if there's a chance

[@braydonpark6892]

I wish they could do a season with male idols including Myname's Seyong, TOPP DOGG's Bjoo, B1A4's Baro, MBLAQ's Seungho, Teen Top's L.JOE, UKISS' Kevin and Super Junior's Henry to know the truth about their companies or how are they doing nowadays

[@robwebnoid5763]

My first experience of KPop was the girl group Chocolat which had the novel concept of mixed race Korean girls. Too bad they only lasted 5 years. I also thank Crayon Pop for defending BTS by saying how they worked hard in the hallway when BTS wasn't given a practice room at a show they were doing in their early years.

[@adaslipstick]

T-ara was my first girlgroup and still being one of my favorites, Soyeon words hurts so much... T-ara suffered so much and they didn't deserve it :(

[@JAGGBarrientos]

My question is why haven’t The People gone after the Companies? If they’re the ones who are taking the majority of the the income? Why haven’t they been called out? Same with the Boy Bands? Shouldn’t the Company be behind the Group??

[@loveeveryone9872]

I think it because Korea has different laws and some are unfair or something with the contract.

[@abr4xas]

defamation law.... it's not at all that easy. going after even smaller ent. companies could make you lose... everything.

[@hugecake4178]

Instead of ent. companies, people need to start pushing the government to revise the law for better and fairer share of profit between idols and their company...

[@aoitakumi9081]

It has something to do with their contracts.

[@CrazyColorfulRoan]

This is so DEVASTATING!!! I love all of this groups. This really broke my heart.😭😭😭

[@danaejer]

I'm glad that a show like this exists. I really like that they aren't eliminated, and they are given a platform to show their talents, tell their stories, heal their traumas and become closer to each other.

[@Heyitsann]

I didn't know Miss Back was a competition show, I thought it was just a document show, too bad I didn't see it when it was first airing I'll defiantly start watching now

[@vs_miley]

I'm so mad that pledis ruined Pristin

[@L.Lavender]

The amount of misogynistic behavior against them that these girls received is crazy

[@MIXANEGG]

I've been waiting for you to upload!!

[@kanchanbhalia8190]

This video was really informative showing us how hard it is to be an idol 🥺 So much pressure I really can't imagine 😧

[@hamburgerhelperflick]

Glad these stories are being told. This abuse has been going on far too long. Too many young women are exploited then body shamed by men with power only interested in making money for themselves. Hope more exploited and abused women and men come forward and share their stories so this toxicity in this industry ends. These are talented young people who have made so much sacrifices. They don't deserve to be shut out.

[@MarkosTwuan317]

9:55 Correction: Sera explained that she did not leave the group, on the contrary she wanted to renew her contract but made it a condition to have more creative control by the members (in 2011 Sera had returned to lead as RaNa left the group to become a DJ), to this the company responded with a discussion between the CEO and Sera, supposedly an agreement had been reached but Sera woke up the next day with the news IN THE NEWSPAPER that she had left the group voluntarily and had even left a "letter to the fans" when she was expelled and the letter was fabricated by the company itself.

[@Xyzgb]

Imagine all the groups that we stan rn comes out in the future when they are over 30 or 40 and reveal all the things that had gone through. (They are going through right now)

[@nehaharish9741]

im literally in tears after hearing thier stories .I knew kpop industry is harsh but i didnt expect it to be like this.

[@bipolarsdiary]

I was a bana in the time of dalshabet incident, but the thing is, as someone young inside the fandom I didnt even noticed how much hating they were getting, they were just a "nugu group"... Seeing Subin's story here, I feel sorry even though I never had a opinion on the matter before.

[@drnkxylax]

subin really does interact with her fans a lot🥺 she even liked my dance cover once, i cried, i miss all these groups so much

[@ccss91]

Not related but the amount of work that there's in this videos.. this is one of my favourite KZbin channels

[@mylittleone9440]

I'm not an avid fan of t.ara but I'm still bitter for what happened to the group. They were on the peak of their career back then & i love some of their songs and mvs. Good thing that i did not join the hate bandwagon back then, it's so confusing since some of the celebs who were the girls work with in their solo activities spoke up and said the girls are nice and its impossible for them to did what accused to them, yet the medias kept blew up the case with new 'proves' almost every single day 😵