Project Rocket :- Dyno Day Analysis. "THE RESULTS" !

[@markleong4580]

Because of your emphasis I took the dive. I bought a piggyback rapid bike evo module for my euro5 V85tt guzzi. Have just went for two short rides to n fro work. Big improvement so far and more to come as the module is still learning more riding pattern in the initial stage. Thank you for pointing it out again and again

[@Moonfleet41]

Great to hear, so much improvememnt can be made from just setting up the fuelling correctly.. have fun with it and enjoy your bike..

[@nickhellen6303]

Great video. Forget the horsepower line. When I saw that FLAT torque line: so massively high; I almost wet myself. And how flat the AFRs are. That bike will require care in the wet- even in top gear. Also, your explanation of the entire process was one of the best I’ve ever seen/heard. Top job!

[@Moonfleet41]

Thank you so much for your kind words Nick.

[@geoffozevans4500]

Very well explained-- the AFR line was excellent, I watch a fair few videos on big built Harley-Davidson motors & was very impressed with JB, now there a thought for you Del, imagine youdoing a Stage 4 on a HD & getting John to tune it , a no brainer ay. Thanks for sharing & putting your bike on the line for us all , hi to PP x 👍

[@Moonfleet41]

@@geoffozevans4500 Hi Geoff, that would be a wonderful collaboration and if you'd like to order me the parts for the stage 4, cams and heads, piston kit, I'll happily install them (only jokig mate!)... but seriously, there's the point, a Stage 4 upgrade costs about the same as a super charge kit for the Rocket and that's somewhere down at the bottom of the wishlist, underneath the Ferrari and the weekend croft in Scotland lol lol ... but we certainly will be doing more collabs with JB, hoping to make him a regular feature of the Channel, he's an old friend so won't be going anywhere!

[@jbsworkshop]

@@geoffozevans4500thanks Geoff,I try my best to get nice consistent AFR’s across the whole TPS & RPM ranges. If I had a bit more time I could have made it perfectly flat but it was very close to perfect in the time I had. I could feel on the dyno we made a massive improvement straight away(hence the thumbs up😊)what a transformation in how smooth it revved up from how it came in & not even wanting to rev

[@wobblysauce]

But look at that graph... it wasn't falling over at where it stopped, but still going up.

[@markstaley5922]

It’s with out doubt the best money you could spend on your bike getting your engine map properly sorted I’ve had three different bikes mapped bye three different tuners each one giving fantastic results I couldn’t recommend it enough well done dell that rocket will be a joy to own now 👍

[@3charactersforkhandle]

Nice to see it all running smoothly. Got to say one of my takeaways was that you also probably want to think carefully about what exhaust you fit. Other than weight it sounds like the bike would probably be better for pipes closer to the OEM design.

[@Moonfleet41]

Not at all mate, this is the exhaust fitted, it's way better performing than the standard system, way more free flowing, and above all else, as you said, it weighs a fraction of the standard system... and the engine is now mapped perfectly to work with it! Thank you for watching.

[@paulelverstone8677]

That's a great breakdown of the how's and why's, Del. After your last vid I dug out my dyno run from 2014. Bearing in mind I'm still on carbs and the bike had already done 93,000 miles, the V4 (and you know how I love my V4's) was missing just .8bhp from stock. I know that all dyno's run different but even in that ball park, after 17yrs, that wasn't a result to be sniffed at. Was never gonna get near that with my carbtune :o) Look forward to see what's coming next. 130+ lbft across almost the whole rev range is insane!...

[@Moonfleet41]

That's not bad for those miles mate.. typical Honda reliability aye.. and yeah... what's next.. Tyres..! (ads you night imagine lol)

[@David-uu3wq]

Do you think the throttle restrictions were put in place to protect the transmission from torque overload? It's not uncommon for shaft driven bikes to have catastrophic failure in the final driveline. Probably due to less torsional compliance / damping.

[@Moonfleet41]

You certainly make a logical point mate, why make an engine that can wreck it's own transmission, rather than just build it strong enough? I'd say it's more to protect innocent, inexperienced consumers and make the bike more user friendly... either way, I believe the 300bhp supercharged bikes seem to do ok so I'm not sure they all wreck their transmissions... I believe it was just a few instances and it was a spring in the final drive that broke... apparantly!

[@springy-2112]

Its good to see you appreciating the torque curve. I don't look at bhp figures on any vehicles only the torque. To me the torque is what you feel and what gets you there. A recent car of mine had 115 bhp but also had 300nm of torque . Great results on the rocket. ✌️❤️👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Dead right brother.. Torque wins the race, Just watch the faous video of Hildo rinsing a ZX-9r over and over on short drag races with his reggedy old Harley rat bike... Gonna call it a Clydesdale and be done with it..lol! PeasNloaf bruv..!

[@paulregner5335]

You're obviously blessed with affordable dyno services where you live. The last time I bought time on a dyno in my area was when I had done a TPI conversion on a Gen-1 GM small block (Tuned Port Injection from a 1991 Camaro IROC on a 327ci small block out of a totaled 1965 Vette). In 2002 it cost me $140/half hour on a rolling dyno. Prior to getting time on the dyno, I had brought the engine into fair tune by data-logging under the widest variety of driving conditions I could muster and analyzing the knock sensor inputs and adjusting the ETC (Electronic Timing Curve) accordingly (GM's Block Mode Learning built into their OBDI logic made the fuel maps almost self-mapping). Of course, before I could attempt ANY real tuning on a GM OBDI ECU I first had to desolder the EPROM from the MEMCAL module in the ECU, and replace it with a 24-pin socket for a 256K flash memory chip (EPROMS can go "flakey" after merely one re-flash, whereas a flash memory chip can be re-flashed over and over again indefinitely without fear of ruining/damaging the chip). But I digress. It sounds like you had a great day at the tuners, and it yielded some very positive results. Now get out and ride that beast before your weather turns on you! 👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Thank you for sharing that Paul, that's a huge amount of work and shows how today's modern equipment makes it so much easier to set vehicles up to run right.. and it's not all about more power and bigger numbers.. i just wanted the engine running right, and making the power it should, and reasonable fuel economy, with all the fluff and fuss over the envoronment these days, you would think the powers that be would maybe think about subsidising engine mapping, it would probably do more to save the planet than making a million batteries a day for cars that won't last ten years without needing a new one... Don't get me started..lol!

[@TwinPotMan]

Good one Del: As you say, the AFR is the thing to get right to avoid any possible damage from lean running resulting from a high flow air filter or freer flowing exhaust. The power/torque improvements will then result in a much nicer bike to ride.

[@Moonfleet41]

Very much so mate.. it's so docile and calm to ride now, not scray or unpredictable.. just clean, smooth silky power right from idle..! and yeah, great peace of mind too knowing the AFR is right in the zone..!

[@tommylitchfield3450]

TwinPotMan, You nailed it there! My current scooter had the stock intake and exhaust and was SUPER lean across the board for emissions, even though it was made in 06. Even with no catalytic converter from the factory, the mufflers themselves were SUPER hot, all the time. Just drilling out the center of the stock baffles and going up 3 sizes on the pilot jet made a giant difference in engine heat, fuel mileage, and power. In stock form, the engine was incapable of pulling in top gear on a level road when shifted at the minimum speed listed in the Manual. You had to wind it up almost 10 mph more than the lowest listed speed or it would lug itself to death. Not good for ANYTHING, including the environment, since you had to use more fuel simply to get into cruising speed. With a high flowing aftermarket exhaust and good air cleaner, plus re-routing the crankcase vapors out of the intake, my scoot has never been happier

[@richardwhittle2302]

It's amazing how much restriction was on the Rocket. As you say Del with a beast of a bike like this you want it to be as rideable as possible. All very interesting 👍

[@tinks43]

You can tell by the nod from John that you know he nailed it! 🙌🏻 When I had the van done it was tuned for consistent torque, made the world of difference.

[@Moonfleet41]

Absolutely mate, it is a bit of a dark art, and even at John's level it can be tricky to get it back on... if he'd had a whole day on it, he possibly could have got the AFR line dead flat, but it's more than safe enough... and of course, getting any vehicle mapped produces so much more than just extra power... the biggest benefit is always improved fuel economy and emissions and wouldn't we all want that!

[@danielsale3805]

Yes 143nm of torque is alot. The zzr1400 only makes around 156nm. I have a 1200 bandit and although it pails in comparison to the rocket 3 it has plenty of power for the road and it's dependable. Great video Del and I'm glad you have it running well now.

[@Moonfleet41]

No Daniel..Thats Ft lb's mate, Not Nm.. it's making 143 ft lb of tourque.. which converts to 194Nm... and it's making 183Nm at just 1800 rpm... see what i mean mate.. it's bonkers..lol!

[@winksmt01]

I had my tbird custom tuned and dyno tested after getting rid of the cat and also fitting the triumph short sicencers. The bike ran alot better with increased torque. But the downside it eats a bit more fuel. I can live with that though.

[@Moonfleet41]

Yeah, fuel and tyres are gonna weigh in a bit heavier now.. but like you say.. well worth it for a clean running bike that makes you feel good to ride..!

[@stigweird3155]

Very interesting Del thanks. One question for the less torque initiated amongst us.... how come the torque drops off towards the upper part of the graph when the HP is still increasing?....any help understanding appreciated.

[@Moonfleet41]

Good question, it's something you can google and read about...basically Torque starts to decrease because the engine cannot breathe as well as revs rise. Due to the engines speed, the cylinder does not fill with air as well. imagine yourself, sprinting fast, you couldn't tow a heavy log along behind you...but if you walk.. it's easy ! not fully explained.. but there's lots online about it if you're curious mate !

[@Gorbyrev]

Phwoar, that Rocket is now a locomotive! Massive torque figures right through the rev range. It's the small block Chevy of the bike world. Great explanation Del.

[@Moonfleet41]

Great description there.. a Locomotive indeed.. and strangely better on fuel for it too.. Thanks for your kind words.. D&Px

[@Gorbyrev]

@@Moonfleet41 I bet it's better on fuel, using its full potential is going to be more efficient though perhaps more ruinous to tyres!

[@enduromotorradtouren]

Well explained. The character of the Rocket engine and about a dyno map. Thanks for this great video. Enjoy that power, mate. Günter/Nürnberg

[@Moonfleet41]

Thank you for your kind words Günter, Glad you enjoyed it !

[@enduromotorradtouren]

@@Moonfleet41 Nothing beats Cubic inches (with a good mapping)!

[@jerryokeeffe9886]

That bike would pull a house down, it a horse of a bike.

[@Moonfleet41]

Ha ha, i could get some winter work pulling tree stumps out for the neighbours aye..lol. and yeah if it was a horse it'd be a Clydesdale..!!

[@robertgoerss]

By propely setting the AFR vs running very lean, which man bikes do out of the factory can you give us a guieline or specific example(s) of how the fuel milage is affected? Thanks,

[@Moonfleet41]

Yes Robert i will be doing that going forward.. got to get the tyres changed now, they're pretty horrible.. but as a first impression, riding home, the exhaust wasn't nearly as hot, and the fuel guage didn't seem to move much either... possibly because you just ride it everywhere at 20% throttle and under 2k revs.. just pottling about..so it already better on fuel and more "drivable"..!! Ill make a ride video and analysis later once ive run a few tank full through it and know accuratly what its using.!

[@robertgoerss]

@Moonfleet41 the initial information you've provided is very interesting. And I thank you for it, your future plans to dive into this more and such a speedy response. You observations about the cooler exhaust, and of course how better the throttle response is, is an excellant indication the full dyno tune in real world ways has been successful. With the rocket's weight and dynamics, it must have been a much nicer ride home. Looking forward as your project continues. Thanks very much, bobg.

[@triumph-owner]

They are well restricted strangled from the factory. Too meet emissions is my guess, as well as the potential torque could get a few people into trouble fairly quick unless a experienced rider. I ride a 1250 bandit here in NZ and it goes really well with the 02 sensor eliminator by passed. But your rocket would be insane.

[@Moonfleet41]

Yeah, i think you're bang on the money there mate.. emission regulations strangle everything, specially here in Europe, and having ridden it home, i can also agree on the factory taming the power a bit for safety.. not so much the top end...just the instant grunt from nowhere, specially in the wet with no traction control could soil a few grundies..lol!

[@tommylitchfield3450]

Jeez Louise, that's a torque monster! It's amazing that she makes 60 horse at 2300!! That's efficient as can be! My guess is, even with the huge displacement, you will get many miles behind you for each gallon of gas, since you can literally idle everywhere you go, if you can Resist the Urge to Twist! Not to mention them spot-on AFRs everywhere!. Rich when you twist it, perfectly leaned out with high vacuum when you have the throttles closed, but nowhere NEAR that terrifying 19 to 1 from before!! YIKES! And any time you feel like it, THRUST!!!!! Cyber-Truck power-band with that glorious sound and smell of burning dinosaur carcasses!! You gotsta be livin' right to run across these deals on great scooters, Del! Congratulations!!

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks Tommy, Yeah, you know it, THRUST is the word, and from literally just over idle.. you can indeed just purr about in a fraction of throttle, and in one gear, then of course, then Jim says "warp factor Mr Sulu"... it's just a little twist more..! Busy this weekend earning some extra pocket money pulling tree stumps out for the neighbours..

[@tommylitchfield3450]

@@Moonfleet41 Good idea on the Stump Pulling :) Maybe get a 5th Wheel hitch and haul some semi trailers to fund the next project... Bonus points for being able to travel at Ludicrous Speed between stump pulling jobs. Be careful going that fast, though... You may end up Going Plaid!

[@robertgoerss]

@@tommylitchfield3450 LOL !!!

[@rickrogers2649]

There's always something terrifying about 2 or 4 wheels on a dyno to me. It really is amazing how much power was unlocked without ever picking up a wrench. And those torque numbers would make some diesel motor engineers jealous I'll bet. Great job all around ! Cheers and many thanks. ❤👍👍

[@Moonfleet41]

You're absolutely right, when you're standing next to (or sitting on top of) a 500lb motorcycle doing 120mph on a dyno with it's engine on the red line, it does make you step back a bit and prepare to run lol And yes, of course, that torque line shocked me, it pulls like a diesel truck for sure... Have a great week, be safe, D&Px

[@MHLivestreams]

Plenty of grunt! Could handle heavier gearing with that lot. What a monster.

[@rsbharley4766]

Hi Del & Penny, excellent video mate. Great breakdown of the outstanding result, this will help people get their head around dyno chart and see it is money well spent. Enjoy the last part of your week , take care. Cheers

[@Moonfleet41]

Yeah, that was the intension mate, to make it clear what is most important about any dyno readout, not just the big top figure becasue you will hardly ever ride your bike at those revs or full throttle.. Money well spent getting it setup too, bettero n fuel and more power... Win win. ! Have a great week too.. D&Px

[@revealingfacts4all]

I've seen many car/bike videos on dynos but I've never seen the dyno explained like this before. Is the goal to try and keep an AFR of ~14 across the entire throttle/RPM range?

[@Moonfleet41]

Don't know about cars, but Ideal Air fuel ration for most bikes is around 13.5, that's happy for normal altitude and conditions...so yeah, keeping it in the 13's is the target !

[@jbsworkshop]

Around 13.2 to 13.5 is normally where most normally aspirated engines like to run for optimum power & torque. Some like it a little richer some a little leaner

[@ewanburnett3956]

Still rocking carbs here 😅 excellent breakdown of the results very interesting enjoy the biike 👌🏻👍🏻🏍️

[@Moonfleet41]

Thank Ewan, im glad you enjoyed it.

[@grosbeakmc]

Hiya Del and Penny - great video! Very nice explanation of why the bike was running poorly and an excellent tuning result. Looks like the Rocket really lives up to its name! Now I'm wondering if it's worth taking my '99 Bandit 1200 with its carbs and full cable throttle to the dyno. Take care, dear friends. Be well and ride safe.

[@Moonfleet41]

Hi mate..Go for it...and if you take the trouble first, to fit a Dynajet kit in those carbs, drop in a K&N filter, and then a nice open exhaust (if you don't already have one).. THEN take it to a Dyno that can work with carbs... then YES, you will most certainly have a whole new bike to play with..! Have a great week too and stays safe.. D&Px

[@russellleggatt4269]

Great stuff! John's look on his face said it all! When i my Judge was rebuilt after messing with Skippy's idiot cousin, i went with a Thor RPW 2-1, K n N, and Power Commander. . . . My Dyno Guru did a great job.

[@Moonfleet41]

Presume you mean the Victory Judge, what a wonderful bike, I absolutely love those and just like the High-Ball, it's a real shame they're gone now... thanks for your sharing mate!

[@johnmacmillan2721]

Great explanation of how a dyno tune works Del. I used to think of the rocket as a beast but when you hear how well they run and handle at lower speeds she's actually quite a feat of engineering. Ride safe m8

[@Moonfleet41]

You make a good point there John.. it is indeed a really docile and well behaved bike around traffic.. it will just roll along at little more then walking pace in idle almost like it's got stabilisers, doesn't pitch to either side intil you're almost stopped dead... not many bikes do that, must be the really low centre of gravity..! Ride safe too mate, and enjoy your week..

[@neilbowser6359]

Good video and it's good to see the Rocket living up to its potential. I do have one gripe though. You refer to the AFR (Air Fuel Ratio) as a percentage. It isn't. It will of course relate to a percentage, but the number you are quoting is a ratio. So an AFR of 14 is 14 parts air to 1 part fuel. In percentage terms it means that the fuel is a 15th of the total, so about 6.66%.

[@Moonfleet41]

Thank you for that detailed explaination Neil.. the whole video was about understanding the readout, reviewing the results and what they mean on the road.. and you've helped that along a bit more.. Cheers mate.

[@johnmortison5763]

Can't wait for the next video where I'm sure you will take it for a ride. I'm sure the smoothness and flexibility of the remapped bike will be a revelation.

[@Moonfleet41]

Yes John, the ride home was a revelation.. i did't rrealise how much power a motorcycle could make so low down.. Got to get the tyres changed before i take it out for a real play.. so lots more to come.!

[@ironlionmotorcycles]

Great explanation of how maps work mate, I admit to not understanding them in full prior to watching this. Enjoy riding it mate, I love mine. 👌🏼

[@Moonfleet41]

Yeah me too, i learned so much at the dyno, and thanks to your inspiration, and the huge gains still to be made.. i may be shopping fpr pod filters soon..lol!

[@tonymartin3780]

Cracking result and explanation, you will need shares in a tyre company with that Torque 😀

[@Moonfleet41]

Ha ha yes, all things come at a price aye.. i can see the Dark side calling...i must resist.. i must resist...lol!

[@walcrow7319]

OK, now it's time to order the Space X suit. The power has been UNLEASHED! Now all it needs it a AA fueler slick on the back. Time well spent to get the beast fed with proper breathing. Always nice to have 100% fuel 100% of the time.

[@Moonfleet41]

You couldn't put it better Tav, being able simply to access ALL of the throttle openings, and not have it strangled made so much difference, let alone the extra fuel to make it all play nicely together.! maybe we should drop Elon a line and ask him to call of he ever needs a jump start on the next flight..lol! Thank you always for your kind support Sir.. D&Pxx

[@richardhough5202]

I’ll bet the ride home was fun!

[@Moonfleet41]

I sure was mate.

[@rickbrown7067]

Hey Del With all of that new torque and hp, what oil are you going to run in your rear gear box to help it from destroying its self?

[@Moonfleet41]

From what i hear the final drive can take plenty of power, even the Supercharged bikes making 300bhp+ don't report broken drive gears..?. but for sure ill always make sure the Diff oil is changed on schedule, and with the exact right oil..!

[@rickbrown7067]

@ Hey Del, Great job on the dyno job. Great explanation on how it works and why you need one. Keep up the great content, I hope Penny has given you a good allowance for tyres especially if you go over to the dark side! Have a great day!

[@Moonfleet41]

"Dark Side"...Now that's controversial apparently.lol! but we'll see how long a proper 240 lasts first, and if my allowance won't keep up, i may have to make a few haters cry..!!

[@richardlindsey7112]

That's gotta be an absolute hoot to ride!

[@Moonfleet41]

Yeah, that and a few more hoots besides... certainly brought the fun back that's for sure. !

[@theneverman]

Good thing your tuner has a bit of a flat-top hair style, he's right at the ceiling. :)

[@Moonfleet41]

Ha ha.. yeah, it is a bit cramped in the trailer aye..lol!

[@haroldwiser2641]

Thanks for the thorough explanation!!

[@Moonfleet41]

Most welcome Harold..Glad it was helpful. Hope you're keeping safe and well sir..

[@davedavies7837]

Brilliant part 2 to the Dyno. Great explanation and results. Maybe I should treat the Thunderbird Storm to a Dyno Day!

[@Moonfleet41]

You should Dave, you'd be shocked at the transformation.. if the T'birds are the same as the Rocket, they'll be restricted.. you can probably remove that and open up a world of difference. !

[@stevendimick7781]

Gotta get this done on my 05 softail flstni…

[@Liam_Bollocks]

They may not break a sweat but they do break gearboxes 😂

[@Moonfleet41]

Yes well known, there's a spring apparantly that snaps, but it's not common... unless you want to super charge it and then you would upgrade that anyway!

[@Rinkydink73274]

That bike is now a beast..love it.👍leaving it standard looking or will it be getting a sprinkle of Del dust?

[@Moonfleet41]

Not sure yet mate.. got to get all the little details sorted out so it actually looks like a 3500 mile bike should.. then maybe black out a little of the chrome... but TBH mate, i just want to ride and enjoy it..!!

[@goldilocks913]

Excellent, looking forward to this one!

[@loddude5706]

S'truth! - Well, roll on nice deep snow & the 80 foot rooster tails - "I sez!" Who needs 'blowers' eh? : )xx

[@Moonfleet41]

No replacement for Displacement baby..!!!!

[@loddude5706]

@@Moonfleet41 - Having previously run a 9 liter flat-six in a three wheeled school bus - I agree! : )

[@simple_simon]

was like that with my MT09 before i got the woolich racing map added and tuned. Was really jerky at low throttle as the butterflys barely opened. Once it was done properly, whatever your throttle was at is what the butterfly was at. night and day once done. made good power and torque once done took off the top speed restrictors, gear 5 and 6 restrictors and made the fan come on earlier so you werent cooking the bike. best thing you can ever do.

[@Moonfleet41]

Wise and correct words indeed Simon. Exactly what you said.. all modern bikes need setting up properly to delete the emission strangulation and make them run cooler and more efficiently.!

[@andyjrichie6709]

Vast improvement, makes sense, like you say. Great video

[@turbo13r]

Just wondering, with the bike now being unrestricted will your Insurance company insure the bike unrestricted ?

[@Moonfleet41]

Im with a great company that insures custom bikes, choppers, street fighters, Turbos, anything as long as you let them know...which indeed i have.!

[@nickvinten7803]

That’s tyre shredding torque figures, gonna be a hoot leaving all the boy racers in their £30k sheds for dead in top gear from 30mph without even trying LOL 🤣🤣🤣 The old girl’s gonna be a ‘lively’ ride on good dry warm roads with some ‘spirited’ rider input 🤭🤭

[@Moonfleet41]

Yes Nick.. a little practice may be in order methinks, maybe see if any of my neighbours need any treet stumps pulls out as well, make a few quid towards the tyres..lol!

[@guyfuller1369]

These dino guys are the white wizards removing the evil spells cast by factory demons and naive tuning arts dabblers. It’s not magic, which is mere trickery-it’s miracle working! GREAT video!

[@Moonfleet41]

You are right.. John has the knowlegde and skills of Merlin himself.. certainly felt that way riding home...as the big guy with the heavy breath would say.. "The Force is strong in this one"..lol!

[@jbsworkshop]

It’s taken allot of years to build up the equipment & knowledge to be able to do what I do 👍it’s all worth it when I get results like this 😊

[@robertlumsden942]

any reason why the dip in torque around 2000. i know when it happened on mine they replaced the air cleaner and it went away. needed more air. just curious. thanks

[@Moonfleet41]

Don't know the answer to that, could be air filter maybe.. and i am aware that deleting ther air box all together and running pod filters gives even more gains.. (Like it needs it lol).

[@robertlumsden942]

@@Moonfleet41 cool. thanks for your response. terrific overall though. wow.

[@jbsworkshop]

Sometimes air box shape or even cam profile can cause little dips in the Rev range that can’t be sorted unless you change those parts. Sometimes on high tps runs you can also get a bit of a dip low in the revs due to the sudden in rush of air & it takes a split second for injectors to catch up.

[@MACK13]

Absolutely mint and well explained video. Thanks so much for taking the time to film and share. Mack and Maggie, Huddersfield

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks Mack, glad you enjoyed hte video, and thank you for your support as always.. ! take care both.

[@neillambton4065]

Great explanation of what the benefits are Del. Now you`ve opened up the power and torque figures, has it made it more economical because the engine is working pproperly, or has fuel consumption increased because of the extra power?.

[@Moonfleet41]

Well thats a tail of two halves.. like you say, now it's running correctly, the air fuel ratio is right at all throttle openings, i can cruise along on a fraction of throttle in top gear at barely above tickover, which will mean great fuel consumption.... but on the other hand, it's fully re-restricted, and can now run wide open in every gear if i want to... and that will obviously drink a lot more fuel.. so it's all about how you ride it.!

[@FREE_PUREBLOOD333]

It seems so many bikes are running really lean to pass emissions requirements nowadays. Shortening the life of the ICE vehicles.

[@Moonfleet41]

Dead right mate.

[@francoislouw7333]

You can get a better figure by removing the secondary throttles and ditching the airbox, it's also very restrictive.

[@Moonfleet41]

I'm aware of that, the world of tuning is all about knowing where to stop and where you're happy with the balance you have, you're right, there's always more power to be had, but I'm really happy with the 40mpg I'm getting and the nice, gentle street manners, there's always a cost when you start to chase the horses!

[@nuttySweeet]

Why is it removing my comments? I was giving praise and didn't say anything untoward, very confusing. This one stayed though, so again thanks for the detailed explanation! I think the auto-moderator is being a bit sensitive!

[@Moonfleet41]

Auto moderator indeed mate, I seem to be battling against it all the time, comments aren't removed, they're held for review and sometimes with comments flooding in, I don't get time to review them all and click them on... there's plnty of hate and bad language rolling through these days, don't know what's got in to some people on the net, their adult filter seems to have slipped! Rest assured, all comments are read and appreciated, public or otherwise.

[@nuttySweeet]

@@Moonfleet41 that's good to know, thanks for letting me know. You can disregard the other two if you like. Cheers mate. Yeah it's such a shame there's so much hate on the internet nowadays, people think they can act how they like because they're hiding behind anonymity. What is the world coming to.

[@Goldwing1500rider]

Incredible change. Seems factory just throw in the chips and let the dealers make the money. Glad it worked out in your favor. Restriction is something else. Must be big challenge.

[@Moonfleet41]

Big change indeed mate, you don't really need more power from these bikes, just release the ppower they actually have, taking away the strangulation is all that's required, I'd challenge anyone to ride these to their limit on the public roads!

[@Goldwing1500rider]

Lol… 😂…. You? I think I pass!! Wink… I wouldn't mind riding one. Just to get the feeling of the ride!! 😊

[@michaellizbrown1865]

Interestingly, how do your final figures of Torque and BHP compare with the Rocket 3's original specification when new?

[@Moonfleet41]

As i answered to someone who already asked this..Chatting with John over that, as he tunes a lot of Triumphs, he tells me they only quote "crank" figures, and also in 'PS' rather than BHP.. so not really very easy to compare.. but these are Rear Wheel figures. .there's the weight of the shaft, the final drive gears, and the back wheel is over 25kg in weight by itself.. so there's a lot of power sap from the drive train. which means these figure are most certainly up on the factory original..!

[@michaellizbrown1865]

@@Moonfleet41 Must get my Velocette LE on the dyno. Not dissimilar to your Rocket 3. Water cooled, shaft drive, flat twin with a heady 8 bhp on tap...........................lol

[@Moonfleet41]

@@michaellizbrown1865 😍

[@killerdublin]

That was great Del. What was the ride home like.

[@Moonfleet41]

Absolute transformation mate, smooth and silky with driving thrust rightfrom tickover!

[@phil7993]

Hi, thanks for sharing, enjoyed the detail. In comparison what was the Triumph advertised Torque/BHP when new?? 🚀

[@Moonfleet41]

Chatting with John over that, as he tunes a lot of Triumphs, he tells me they only quote "crank" figures, and also in 'PS' rather than BHP.. so not really very easy to compare.. but these are Rear Wheel figures. .there's the weight of the shaft, the final drive gears, and the back wheel is over 25kg in weight by itself.. so there's a lot of power sap from the drive train. which means these figure are most certainly up on the factory original..!

[@tomcunningham2106]

Great video Del, Do you think you would get the the same results without the power commander?

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks mate, the ecu can be programmed direct on the rocket 3 & John also does direct ecu mapping on many other models. he derestricted the secondary butterfly’s on the bike via the ecu direct but used the pc5 to custom map the fuel map as it’s easier & wanted to show the tuning link software working. Hope that answers your question?

[@williamsnelling3544]

How does it affect your insurance premium Del?

[@jamesweber4938]

Can the ECU be programmed directly instead of via a Power Commander thereby saving the expense of buying a Power Commander ?

[@Moonfleet41]

Drop John a line on the link maybe mate.. he's more qualified to answer that one..!

[@jamesweber4938]

@@Moonfleet41 I did that and he has replied already on his latest video (Aprilia Ohlin forks).

[@eddiedonnelly9685]

That is a monster.....

[@Moonfleet41]

Ha ha.. Well said. !

[@henrythwaites358]

How does it compare to your Streetbob M8 Del?

[@Moonfleet41]

Interesting comparisson.. the SB is 70Kg lighter with less power and less torque.. so it's be an interetsing drag race.. but i can't ride them both at once.. so i guess ill never know..lol!

[@zardportugal]

Great video. Congrats.

[@Moonfleet41]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@paulwhittaker606]

Brilliant

[@strshooter7399]

Wow, so cool 🙂 🙂 🙂

[@brian833]

Hello Del, So did you remove the power commander? Why or Why not. Nice acquisition!!

[@Moonfleet41]

Yes the ecu can be programmed direct on the rocket 3 & John also does direct ecu mapping on many other models. He derestricted the secondary butterfly’s on the bike via the ecu direct but used the pcV to custom map the fuel map as it’s easier & he wanted to show the tuning link software working. Hope that answers your question

[@kerm9807]

Been waiting for this video 💯👌👌

[@Moonfleet41]

Enjoy

[@kerm9807]

@Moonfleet41 really did, well done Team 👏

[@Moonfleet41]

@@kerm9807 Thanks mate.

[@richardhartley1705]

Very informative video 👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Thank you. Glad you liked it!

[@dejanmeki]

Anyone doing head porting and upgrade for rocket 3 in UK?

[@Moonfleet41]

TTS possibly, but they also do a Supercharger for the Rocket 3.. which makes all the faff of conventinal engine tuning rather pointless.. !

[@dejanmeki]

@Moonfleet41 tts does only turbo rocket, i got 210kit from Carpenter racing but still have PC5 , looking to do ecu flash directly with proper map

[@strshooter7399]

You are by far the absolute BEST EXAMPLE of how things should be done, even when you are not the active mechanic doing the work. I watch a few other channels and the one I love to hate is "Just Rolled In". Such examples of the most foolish and stupid and so wrong maintenance and/or just complete incompetence of car/truck drivers. You really should get an award on how you are so good at what you do. A real absolute blessing to watch and so enjoyable. Plus, I really like your selection of MCs you have and work on. Thank you again for your excellent channel. 🙂🙂🙂

[@나른한오후-k4j]

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