Puffin OS: The most bizarre new Android competitor

Puffin OS is a new challenger of Android Go & KaiOS, but their strategy seems flawed...
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[@Mrwhosetheboss]

Great working with you on this one!

[@Milanutje]

Hey boss!

[@ethan1321]

yooo

[@alanctomy]

Both notifications at the same time...😅😅

[@brechdt]

Stop saying 'OK So' at the beginning of every sentence

[@franklingoodwin]

@@brechdt OK so are you saying he shouldn't say "OK so" so much? 🤣

[@Spix91]

"It will be faster than Android!" It's based on Android

[@Iinuxct]

I mean, technically the "Android" we are used to is the Google-flavored one, and I can tell you that AOSP, which is the Android they based their project on is significantly faster than a Googlelized Android. That being said, AOSP > Puffin OS in all ways.

[@remlet3753]

@@Iinuxct just an opinion but CAF > LOS > AOSP

[@czacknaz]

And also interface looks like android

[@pingpong1138]

Android competitor btw

[@appleexposed4404]

Basically a new iPhone ripoff. Love it....

[@funposting8912]

How many bloody android ROMs are trying to pass themselves off as new operating systems these days? Take Android, remove features, package bloat, New OS!

[@arx117]

That's how Linux called themself. Android is based on linux and Linux were created to be diverse. Ubuntu OS with its family kubuntu, lubuntu. Mint os, Linuxlite os, Puppy os, And whatever os came from linux kernel is still linux.

[@funposting8912]

Ryuzaki Raiga if you take Debian, change a few things around, and call it, say, “Devuan”, don’t turn around and start yelling “Look! A whole new OS that’s not Debian” Just because android runs on Linux, Ubuntu runs on Linux, Ubuntu is not android, and this new trash runs on Linux does not mean this is not android. Those all have a common shared component, called Linux, sure. But in this case, there’s another shared component that Ubuntu doesn’t have: Being based off android/AOSP. I’ll give KaiOS credit for not just being a fork of android. It’s it’s own thing. Still Linux, not android. The same way Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, and Gentoo are all still Linux, Android, this trash, every other new trash mobile OS are all still AOSP. I don’t say Debian isn’t Linux because it’s got extra stuff. Take Linux, write your own mobile os on top of it, and sure, it’s “Not Android” Take Android, change the launcher, icons, and browser, strip out the play store and throw your own market in, then call it ShellTwist OS or whatever, it’s still android. Take a Corolla, swap the seats, put on a steering wheel cover, it doesn’t stop being a Corolla

[@funposting8912]

Ryuzaki Raiga what you’re describing is distorts. We don’t say Ubuntu and mint are different operating systems, because there isn’t enough of a difference, and because they share a kernel and coreutils, we play it safe and say they’re different distros. Distributions. They’re the same operating system distributed with different packages and software. With android, we call these ROMs. Motorola, samsung, xiaomi, they all take Android, bundle their own packages and software, and distribute them. Google gives out vanilla android roms, people make their own roms, and so do people like LineageOS. Take Android, bundle packages and software, and distribute it. It’s not enough to call it a different OS, they share a kernel, virtual machine, and coreutils. Rather than the Linux “distro”, we call them “ROMs”. If someone made a Linux distro and started saying it was a whole new OS even though it shared 99.5% of its code with every other distro, or didn’t even have any unique code itself, it was just a bundle of other peoples software, if they tried calling that a brand new OS they’d be ridiculed off the internet. When you take AOSP, do the same, claim it’s your own OS, I’m also gonna ridicule you off the internet until you get your head some fresher air and admit it’s just an android ROM.

[@FAT8893]

Exactly, it's just an Android AOSP fork at the end of the day. Windows 10 Mobile, BB10 and Sailfish are indeed a proper OS from scratch.

[@redrock9319]

@@funposting8912 kaios is based on firfox os isnt it?

[@GamesCell]

Then after Puffin OS fails, servers will also shutdown, rendering the devices using it useless lmao.

[@b-unitedgaming2866]

@@creepysmilingcarl9742 l

[@mint773]

@@creepysmilingcarl9742 they can since PuffinOS is based off the AOSP

[@amirulazizol844]

@@creepysmilingcarl9742 PuffinOS is literally a custom ROM in itself.

[@BlueEyedVibeChecker]

@@creepysmilingcarl9742 when you have to root it through their servers LMAO

[@RS-wk5ts]

It's actually being used in their browser. It's a very famous spyware.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

You don't have to worry about security flaws with Puffin, the spyware comes pre-installed.

[@MostafaElSakari]

Haha

[@theequaliser8026]

Our own governments spy on us all everyday so what's new, we're all daft enough to allow them and we supposed to live in a free democratic country or so we think.

[@jairvandersterre1002]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[@STARDRIVE]

I´ll huf and I´ll puf, and I´ll blow your firewall down.

[@h4yl3y]

Get puffin on a huawei 💀👻

[@TaoCroatia]

It is aimed at developing countries and yet it requires constant internet connection for any apps to work. I'm not sure how would that work.

[@dhavalchheda1626]

Actually Internet connection is quite cheap in India so should work without a hitch

[@aaribanwar1387]

This isn't really a problem in at least my country India where cheap LTE is available everywhere

[@planefan082]

Well, the only place I can imagine this being a problem is anywhere within North America. Data is dirt cheap almost everywhere else. Counterintuitive, no?

[@Y.M...]

@@dhavalchheda1626 India only looks like a developing country because of its sheer gigantic population base. It beats any actual poor country by a thousand years, and I say this as an inhabitant of a pretty poor country.

[@Y.M...]

Try selling this device in places like Chad or Sudan then we'll see if it truly caters to a low income user base. It doesn't.

[@OverclockMedia]

Every "new" OS I've seen companies claim to have created are just a fork version of Android...

[@Racer8dan]

Have a look at ubuntu touch or librem 5 (pureOs), both based on linux

[@malikfaisal416]

Samsung once try to make and sell a Tizen OS smartphone

[@Bolt451]

Not Kai os

[@primeroyal7434]

@@Racer8dan Well, Ubuntu dropped support on Ubuntu Phone OS. It is now maintained by the UBports community. And librem 5 is ridiculously expensive(500$). I support UBport tho.

[@primeroyal7434]

@Lucas Zhu Yep, that is what keeping me from it

[@yotoprules9361]

Puffin OS is android. Android go is android. Puffin OS is just android without the play store and just has web app versions of the Puffin browser which has already existed for a long time. This OS is a joke. At least KaiOS is it's own os, for a feature phone OS it is really good IMO. Although if you just want a cheap phone, I would still get an android phone, look on the used market for old flagships. They may be slow or outdated, but they can still run most android apps decently and is the best option IMO.

[@258Loures]

The cheap android isn't so the cheap for the rest of the world, and probably isn't fast enough for the most basic functions. So probably is better to buy a KaiOS device

[@shubhamrane7020]

@@258Loures kai os phones are crap. My nokia symbian s40 phone could play games with better graphics. But with webassembly support to kaios, the things could change drastically in few months.

[@258Loures]

@@shubhamrane7020 Didn't know that the XP and responsiveness of KaiOS leaves something to desire. Sad true is that even Symbian S60 today could replace KaiOS and others WebApps based Systems, but companies are more interested in harvesting data using that kind of OS.

[@shubhamrane7020]

@@258Loures when i got kaios phone i had high expectations from it. But even with 512mb of ram and dual core snapdragon 205 processor it lags. It lags in its basic ui. My nokia s40 phone could do much more with 64mb ram and had games with better graphics. The games on kaios are so pathetic and lagging that symbian s30 inbuilt games felt faster. Kaios is a mockery of feature phones. The only way kaios can succeed is if they port the entire os to use webassembly and compile all apps to webassembly. By doing that they could still keep the spying but do it efficiently.

[@biplabkumarghosh6300]

Yeah, but the fundamental way the apps behave on a Android Go and Puffin's Android is different. A significant portion of the processing happens on Puffin's servers. See you won't see much of a difference when opening light sites like twitter but if you open a heavy gaming site like Prospectors which need a lot of processing, you will get the difference

[@thecriss88]

I remember similar solution form the era of early Android phones. It was called Opera Mini.

[@MewKnows]

And it still works today! Still using it on an old Android phone, works like magic. Make sure to use the old version, as the new version seems to not work well on old phones

[@increadibleangel7980]

@@MewKnows yes

[@fahadabbadi17]

Yeah I was trying to remember that one.

[@bojannemcic1354]

Not only Android, Opera Mini existed before that, on Java capable feature phones. It was able to render full websites with AJAX capabilities and all on a phone the likes of Sony Ericsson K750 in my particular case, which was unimaginable with other phone browsers at the time. Heck, WAP was still a thing! Sadly, Opera went down the drain recently, they both crippled their desktop browser and are now employing some fishy practices from privacy standpoint. On a side note, while it doesn't help as a replacement for Mini, I'd recommend Vivaldi to anyone who is an Opera user still, or who ran away from it after Opera 15 launched. It's made by some of the people who left Opera ASA once everything started to go bad and is the closest thing to the glory days of Opera 12.

[@fahadabbadi17]

@@bojannemcic1354 I used opera mini and opera on both Java and symbian phons of Nokia. UC browser was a new thing back then while teashark was also famous .

[@pipyakas]

> Android base Almost all Xiaomi phones can be bootloader unlock, then install a custom rom without gapps and have microg on it This is DOA

[@tldr585]

Yeah of course I gapp *G* - WATCH *A* - KZbin *P* - ONLY *P* - LMAO

[@uiopuiop3472]

OpenSteetMap is better than Google Maps, and even has an android app called OsmAnd

[@Juuhazan_]

Okay, Mr. XDA man.

[@laychyetan7466]

@@uiopuiop3472 ya, second that. used it in west Africa ( without data) as a navigation tool. works great and it will work on airplanes too...

[@KXF41]

Can even do the same with a Pixel if you want...

[@alexderpyracc4053]

"Runs via puffin servers" sounds like disguised spyware 🤣

[@AdhamMagdy]

That's why I don't use data saver on chrome

[@aurav4643]

@@AdhamMagdy Dude... You're using Android or IOS. Google ans Apple are already in your Phone, Chrome data saver saves data for you, but Google already has the data to sens ads to you

[@alexgidei]

PuffinOS: give us all your traffic and data and we'll make your phone faster Tech Altar: I'm about to end this man's whole career.

[@gdeiselable]

Best comment

[@vickkyphogat]

I found this video like Google paid this man to make a negative.

[@mkmkoto]

@@vickkyphogat bruh Techalter isnt even google fan, they are using FireFox instead of Chrome

[@mistakenotou7681]

Faster with his internet connection not some third world shot tier internet

The security concerns, and the phone dying if their servers die should be an instant no-go, for anyone. Thanks for reviewing this, never heard about it before.

[@theobserver3753]

@@AstroKitty16 Which one?

[@tjl2836]

@@AstroKitty16 - does it have a headphone jack?

[@bartbabbe]

I use their browser to download files on my phone from time to time.

[@arvsg]

Yeah what will happen of their server collapse?

[@twenty-fifth420]

The first is fixable but the second is definitely a red flag. Even if it was fixed or changed, how this made it too alpha testing in any way is beyond me.

[@FoxBlocksHere]

2018: Let's collect our users' location data 2019: *Let's collect all their personal info*

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

2020: Let's collect people

[@Partywithtoms]

@AllRounder Creationz like that's not already done

[@mkdeviphone]

shiny side of the medal: webservers( Google, Amazon ) just see Puffins server but not your IP, nor your location...

[@MarioAndSonicFAN]

Lol

[@Connie_TinuityError]

@@My_Old_YT_Account ...and place them in lockdown

[@masoodahmed4718]

"My conclusions are in-conclusive" - TechAltar I am going to quote that where ever possible.

[@randommm1516]

Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon: Hey, developer, be sneaky. Collect info from their mic and stuff, but not directly. The user shouldn't notice. Puffin: Laaaaah. Just take it all, passwords, history, location, all of it.

[@ronnieradon]

Apple?

[@thefrostybacon6320]

Apple?

[@asutoshvariar]

WOAH Woah Woah, I have problems. Are you sure that Apple does it? Apart from that, OK post.

[@SuperMarioMan1234]

While i'd love a new OS to spice things up, this ain't it chief

[@user-md3is4dq2d]

Not for you

[@genzeuronymous7787]

⃠ it looks too much like android

[@yeezet4592]

@@genzeuronymous7787 . It is

[@mint773]

@@genzeuronymous7787 that's because it is android lol

[@yourikhi]

It's just another Android fork. Not new os .

[@cesiumion]

Very well said.

[@yourikhi]

@@cesiumion this whole article is spam and sponsored...how does this os is any different than the one Huawei is currently offering in China... Android without Google services... If windows mobile failed then i think there is no chance anyone else will succeed...

[@amineabdz]

it's literally a reskin of AOSP ...if it runs android it's not another operating system ... hell even linux has more diversity than this and we still call it linux

[@ramiabouzahra]

@@amineabdz I made my own operating system by installing gnome on Ubuntu /s

[@cesiumion]

@@ramiabouzahra lol

[@AndriyLukashchuk8]

2019: Let's use cloud computing to render webpages

[@GubernareMens]

D A T A N A Z I S U N I T E

[@imgayasheck595]

That's already happening with server side rendering

[@-Gadget-]

The only question floating through my mind this Entire video was, "but what happens when I drive in to an area where I don't have network connectivity, or the power goes out and the cell towers run out of juice, can I still use the phone, or will everything be dependant on having an Internet connection???" Which is probably a stupid question seeing as this is the first and only video I've watched about the OS, but anyway, that would be the top concern for me, as where I live, the government has run the country into the ground, and service and maintenance is so far down the bottom of their list of things to do, it's almost non-existent 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

[@joshuascholar3220]

All of this was in a short lived-company called Forelle Systems and their "venturi" servers 15 years ago. I actually made $500 from Cloudflare by pointing them to Forelle's patents as prior art when they were dealing with a patent troll. Also, you can enable this on existing phone browsers last time I checked. You can get Puffin for android, Opera has a mode like this, and there may even be a version of Chrome with this.

[@mepkn]

The basic foundation of Puffin OS is flawed. It is basically data mining clubbed with an OS. I hope that people do not make a fool out of themselves by buying the phone.

[@marzenr]

That's why i strongly believe that KaiOS could survive because it detaches itself from Android. PuffinOS however is too similar to Android, the more similar it is the more people will question why they should get PuffinOS instead of Android

[@LostieTrekieTechie]

I can't speak to the intentions of this particular company, but remote browsing isn't entirely crazy, even 3g Kindles access the internet through Amazon's servers, but you do have to address privacy concerns. When I travel I often end up with poor internet connections, often with really high latency connections (I've had pings over ten seconds). This makes many modern webpages impossible to load as the initial page load has none of the content and you'd need 5 back and forths with the server where you're loading scripts that load other scripts that eventually load the content... by which time the server times you out. I've had to resort to using my digital ocean VPS to access pages like this, when all I wanted to do was read the restaurant menu. This says more about shitty silicon valley developers assuming things about internet connectivity, but if there was a way to self-host a trusted version of a remote browser someplace that you control-yet has a much more stable internet connection-, that may be very interesting indeed.

[@rubenvd3913]

Google and Apple mine all your data as well, Praveen.

[@SirFaceFone]

You basically described Google's Android. But to be fair, Google is more trustable than whoever owns this Puffin OS

[@mepkn]

@@rubenvd3913 yes they do,so do all the web services we use. But I would rather trust Google which has a competent privacy policy, than a brand new company without an actual framework.

[@dethcx22]

The moment you mentioned the middle in the man server they run, I noped out Edit: Gonna leave in the wording mistake, was watching this as I woke up xD

[@vedanshchn]

Same

[@sonicbhoc]

You mean man in the middle?

[@franklingoodwin]

@@sonicbhoc don't you mean Malcolm in the Middle? 🤣

[@Y.M...]

@@tarkfarhen3870 "competition" isn't exactly achieved when your pitch is to control and sieve through everything your users do. They're tapping into an uncontacted market of low income users, so it really isn't competition at all.

[@DJLongLastin]

@@franklingoodwin life is unfair

[@brennencox516]

Sounds like how AOL and local ISPs would cache popular websites on their servers so people on dial-up could get data faster.

[@aijc]

The only time I used puffin was to play flash games on mobile, AND NOW PUFFIN HAS AN OS ? WHAAAAT

[@aijc]

@@Ben-hf5ej haha I thought nobody would know about habbo and I said flash games, but actually yes I used it for habbo too

[@aarjukumar6831]

Same here! 🤣

[@aijc]

@@soriinnnn uuh, woah. Thanks for that information..

[@promisnwekenta9703]

@@soriinnnn be more specific.

[@danish18lim]

@@promisnwekenta9703 how specific are you looking for?

[@altrogeruvah]

PuffinOS looks like Android, but with less features. Yes, you get to escape Google's centralization, but it doesn't really feel like a win for the end user. KaiOS on the other hand feels original, even though it's targeted for a demographic that doesn't have access to smartphones.

[@caloyskieee]

KaiOS is actually good imo just that i dont think they'll do well in smartphone territory

[@nitishmysore]

Google is watching your comment

[@TheAviationistKhizr]

@Captain Phlox You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about- firstly it depends on what phone you buy, preferably a Pixel for every month security updates and at least annual software updates. But other brands like Samsung and Huawei are also good with this stuff. And really software updates aren't important if the experience isn't personalized and you have full control of your smartphone in the first place with iOS.

[@klausheinz5066]

@Captain Phlox Are you dumb or what? Apple already taken your money for ios when you bought iphone. That's why iphones are expensive(they charge for both software and hardware)whereas android phones are cheaper when compared with iphones because they charge only for hardware. Having said that, why would ios updates be free since they've already taken your money? And, 2 years of android updates is enough for android phones because even android m has more functions and usability than latest iphone xs.

[@shadowblastxtreme9032]

@Captain Phlox lmao, ever heard of apples update politics towards iOS? Old devices just get killed off, my iPod touch 4g used to work fine years ago, now I can barely install apps because it still will forever be on the old relic iOS 6, meanwhile my old Android devices still live like on the day they came out and with custom rom can even be updated.

[@sentjojo]

Was making an OS even necessary for this? They couldn't just distribute an Android browser that runs PWAs?

[@serglian8558]

they already have a browser

[@Rkogaurav]

There is puffin browser

[@morceaudebois]

I guess that wouldn't catch the attention of their target consumers. But very cheap and theoretically good phones will, so they tried to do just that...

[@sentjojo]

So then the OS is really just a cash grab. Completely unnecessary

[@jojoposter]

Im just guessing, but if i would try this, then my approach would be to substitute the default android webview rendering engine with my version. This has the benefit of apps working out of the box (e.g. amazon) without any changes to them

[@DesmondKarani]

First of all, thank you for bringing back the excellent intro music 😎

[@anomnomnymous]

8:17 this point doesn't make any sense because you can back projects that aren't that useful to you but can help those less fortunate than you. With your reasoning nobody would ever donate money to charities unless it directly affects themselves.

[@michealmclaughlin7781]

Charities and a Kickstarter are very different things

[@jthecoder]

2:24 Hotel? Tirvago! ...They spelt it wrong in the app store!

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

The intern couldn't give enough of a shit

[@chromosome2661]

woah nice eye

[@jthecoder]

@@chromosome2661 Thanks! It just stood out for me, but then again I'm the kind of guy who spots those really minute spelling and grammar errors 😂

[@Return2TheLiving]

It's german

[@jthecoder]

@@Return2TheLiving Are you sure? Trivago's website still says Trivago when you change the locale to German.

[@adityashukla7849]

Remove Google apps and specially that Google Play services and you can smoothly run android on a 512MB RAM. But not having Google Play services itself will not let many apps work. But there are lot of alternative.

[@pearaxmilitis]

(((((I Love You All. If your sentient, I Love all of You!!. (chalk it up to my autism if you must you NT's)))))

[@RizkhyDestatama]

Not alot, what i know is only microg. If it is a lot i should have known many names by know

[@sebastian_manuells]

Aditya, I was using Jelly bean a few years back and the device was exactly of 512 MB RAM. Did exactly what you mentioned here and yes, you're right. Interestingly, I didn't have to root it back then for removing Play store and Play services. ES explorer did the trick.

[@vaibhavdabwalv1]

They need to make a lite version of play store or Google apps

[@mateuszzimon8216]

@@vaibhavdabwalv1 CFW i pico gapps... S5 runs like a S6/7

[@Deli0Man]

So how is this tech supposed to be new, after Opera Mobile is working on the same Principe since ages? @TechAltar: Sailfish OS is way more worth to make a review on. Come on man, pls. do not miss that worthy OS!

[@laetta9971]

Sailfish OS is 3dr major mobile OS, but still no review? I just love this OS

[@mb2776]

"What if they don't support your phone anymore?" Hell, what about when they feel like they block your specific phone for whatever reason? Then your screwed...

[@abdullahraihanbhuiyan2346]

It feels like they just want some user data and BOOM!

[@grimmortal]

Another Cambridge Analytica in the making.

[@subversiveasset]

Isn't the idea of sending all traffic to a company's server first basically the model for Opera Mini (as distinguished from Opera Mobile) way back in the day?

[@asandax6]

it is but I prefer UC it's much faster in my Area although I use chrome for syncing between phone and PC

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

Even UC browser's.

[@gaddob3363]

It was also essentially the architecture used in WAP twenty years ago.

[@ujjwalthakur96]

@@asandax6 Trusting China...😅😂

[@jessecavada3015]

I was thinking the very same thing. Opera Mini

[@secondlifearound]

You couldn’t mention it sooner?! I just ran face first INTO THAT POLE you guys set up!

[@ahmadsaeed3864]

2018: let's take all personal information from the user. 2019: let's be the USER!!!

[@gavraseptian1824]

Yes the og music

[@kodaph]

Finally...

[@izzrainy7410]

+1!

[@DiluteOxygen]

Gavra Septian name?

[@OUSS7MA]

PewNews

[@JSJTPproductions]

@@DiluteOxygen Darude - Sandstorm

[@lilroom8238]

I would like to see something like Linux phone with advantages of linux like desktop versions of Linux programs

[@devon660]

Something like the Librem 5?

[@OSXMatrixMoDs]

Like Samsung Dex bur more open

[@horempatorhoremski6627]

Which exact advantages?

[@richardchantlerrico]

@@horempatorhoremski6627 Privacy and auditable code - advantages of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS).

[@username4471]

I kind of hope TechAltar will do a video on the Librem 5 when it comes out.

[@kamakazy122]

Would love to see a video from you on "/e/ os" (eelo). It's an open source OS that is focused on privacy. And it actually looks promising.

[@rezwittkerchester2055]

John 3:16 KJV "For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

[@patriciaa.walker5478]

Great to see the two of you working together on this special project. I am not a techie, but I do understand the pitfalls of having a cheap-a__ __ phone. The only thing saving my LG Sunset is the Android system. Sometimes the phone just won' t work well. But thanks to user websites I can sometimes figure out another way to do the tasks I need to do. I don't know what I could do with an even cheaper phone and Puffin. It seems to me it would be better to go directly to the desired server instead of having Puffin as the middleman. Also, it sounds that if Puffin would crash, I would be left with no alternatives. And the thought of Puffin disappearing with all of my data is just unsettling. Puffin is not ready for prime time anywhere, but especially when what some of us in America might consider to be a cheap phone might represent several month's wages for someone in a developing country. When you also consider that due to the infrastructure issues many developing countries have, the person wo has the phone might be a lifeline for a community. I don't see how Puffin would be an effective or reliable system for the very people who need it the most. Although you guys didn't compare these two systems on an apples to apples basis, what was presented about the Kaios syestem sounded better to me. Even with it's shortcomings, because it shares some traits with Android it may provide a basis for both systems to develop and improve as opposed to leaving a customer with nothing. In fact, Android would be wise to work with Kaios to develop logical links to more advanced Android phone systems as the targeted customers become wealthier and seek better phones. I don't know how they would get wealthier, but for those who do, it seems that switching from Kaios to real Android would be more logical than trying to go from Puffin to Android if that's even possible.

[@SirFaceFone]

Sounds like a privacy nightmare. Makes me wish Firefox OS was still a thing, especially now that PWAs are a big thing

[@sonicbhoc]

Yeah. It's a shame.

[@kodaph]

Firefox OS will be rebirth but in other form...

[@JamilKhan-hk1wl]

They should make it able to run android apps

[@kodaph]

@@JamilKhan-hk1wl Probably not, since its cloud base in mind for lower tier devices esp it cant perform the workload in the phone itself it has to be done via cloud

[@froidesprit]

Technically firefoxOS is back, because KaiOS is based on a fork of Firefox. It was covered on an older techaltar episode

[@chepulis]

Didn't Opera do a similar approach to browsing a while back?

[@clou09]

Difference with opera is ALL APPS not just the browser is going thru the puffin servers.

[@arz1898]

Puffin browser was there for android quiet a while so it's nothing new for them...

[@rafaelrojas7769]

Firefox did

[@muneerhere]

Yes , Opera Mini did it even before Android was there

[@Stoppskylten]

Opera mini was still local page render. The server just compressed page assets.

[@naftyloescher]

Hab ich mir doch gleich in Mrwhosetheboss Video gedacht dass du Deutscher bist :D Wir können unseren Akzent einfach nicht verstecken wenn wir Englisch reden^^ Aber nett so deinen Kanal gefunden zu haben, war mir bisher echt unbekannt obwohl du ja echt schon ziemlich viele Abos hast, jetzt hast du noch einen mehr^^

[@riopato2009]

Symbian worked very similar with their browser but without having an app store. Not sure if it used a back-haul server to do this but that was when 3g data wasn't ubiquitous at the time. Aside the issue with privacy concerns, another issue with this OS is the need of constantly having a data signal. Even living in a congested city like NYC, there are still times when data is simply not available.

[@drRusly]

Someone should bring fast and efficient Palm OS back and rebranding in this era... My 20 years old Tungsten T is faster opening my appointment than my Note 8.

[@adityanath3570]

Obviously it'll be faster. Samsung ages badly.

[@subscribetopewdiepie6151]

Huawei: I'm not a spy Puffin: Pssh Amateur

[@nuloom]

@@gamermapper well to be real, they are a fishy company, and not sure if you've heard about that, but they also have problems in Canada. Reminder: Trump has no major influence over the Canadian government. Apparently a Huawei executive was even arrested there, but that's not the point. Huawei hasn't been a reliable company at all, faking photos 'taken with their phones', lying about having their OS replace Android and much more. Huawei recently lied more than all other major tech companies combined, whether you like it or not, it's not trustworthy. Objectively.

[@gamermapper]

@@nuloom it's because all western government are allies and really hate Russia and China so they create lies, half-truths and biases of them. And I'm sure that all technological companies in US are united to block Huawei and to force us to buy iPhones, PHONES for 1000 dollars!!!

[@codyofathens3397]

@@gamermapper why can I hear the Internationale playing in the background while reading this? MLM?

[@gamermapper]

@@codyofathens3397 found the anti socialist and biased murican, China is the best

[@micaella7749]

@@gamermapper Taiwan number one! Tibet free! Tiananmen massacre of 1989! Hongkong free! all hail emperor Xi, the ‘’天子‘’ who rules China! Falungong!!! China debt bomb, rich people that is only 4% has 70% of money, steals technology, has dogshit all around the place, is dictatorship that kills thousands of people! God bless those who live in a democratic 'country', not a rat infesting hole ruled by Winnie the "Poo"!

[@NafjanT]

The problem is that whenever we login to any websites or app it will ask for confirmation to verify it is really you. Because, puffin server login from different location and different IP. We may even get banned from some website.

[@hernanj1599]

OMG.. THE PUFFIN SERVER ITS A GOLD MINER FOR HACKERs WITH A LOOOOT OF INFO. 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@KETHERCORTEX]

Millenials invented Opera Mini. Nokia tried this approach with their low end Asha phones in 2011. Now Nokia's servers are down and apps don't work at all. Even browser doesn't work because it relied on server-side rendering.

[@nauxsi]

To be fair Opera mini did OK given the tech at the time.

[@makodad]

Opera Mini, that name brings back some memories.

[@safi164]

exactly

[@arz1898]

if the browser using vpn like opera mini then it's ture... but part of why old browser on those phones don't show newer websites is because they're using html 5 which isn't something supported on older browsers. Internet Explorer 8 on Windows PC is the most famous one.

[@KETHERCORTEX]

@@nauxsi Yes, it did ok. I mentioned it because it uses the same principle of server side processing.

[@Bandecki]

I like your conjecture words, "supposedly" "according to" "they claim"... etc haha I think you should cover more bad products :)

[@sheikhrayan9538]

Keep it 69

[@EddieGooch]

@@sheikhrayan9538 I made it to 169

[@gustavabrahamsson2232]

@@EddieGooch nice

[@itsthesola10]

> Android competitor > Is literally Android with less features > Forces you to use their proxy > Dubious privacy policy yeah ok

[@KUNALMALAKAR]

well first time hop into ur channel mainly for the title them the video seems interesting ...liked it nice explanation

[@dsedchenko]

Remote browsing - saw this feature as Opera Tubro on Opera Mini that I have been using in far 2007.

[@nahinakbar3842]

Yeah, this makes sense. But Puffin is better than Opera Mini. It does compute heavy tasks on their cloud and sends it to the user, the pages look same as a native browser. UC Browser does it aggressively only if you have mobile data.

[@pearaxmilitis]

google has it too its called Data saving

[@zuccx99]

I knew about the browser BUT PUFFIN OS?

[@yotoprules9361]

@Emre a £50 smartphone can render almost any website just fine nowadays. Get a phone that supports 4g and has a mediatek 6737. It is the cheapest mobile SOC right now that is usable, and if all you do is watch 720p youtube, browse the web, or listen to music, then you should be pretty happy with it.

[@eryksmialek4907]

Same

[@iPhone-dx9rs]

same dudeeeee, I thought it was just some browser 😂

[@kevinyoliveira68]

I love my Android with Root and "Ungoogleded"

[@kevinyoliveira68]

@Bizarre Ghost Remix Ressurection :)

[@kevinyoliveira68]

@Bizarre Ghost It is a Lineage OS, but with much more tweaks of customization for default.

[@zp7767]

Great video dude, I subscribed! This OS looks like a great security trap to our private data. Test HongMeng and Fuchsia OS when available, will be pretty.

[@thenonexistinghero]

Meanwhile, the puffin browser on my TV is slow and clunky (and sadly the only decent browser for it).

[@lukehero]

Puffin OS: The ultimate MITM attack! 😂

[@FloowerDJ]

Finally, thank you for bringing back the intro music.

[@o0Avalon0o]

Great work guys. I'm interested in the OS options out there, but I'm the kind of person who doesn't like flash and prefers quick shortcuts over sliding/backflipping software. If I could make my phone only show text online, I would.

[@LordDaedalusTelvanni]

Great video, I never even heard about this. What really bothers me though is how we just call everything an OS. It's getting as ridiculous as Linux distros (Ubuntu with a custom theme + preinstalled apps is not that special damn it). Not really related, but I do wish that PWAs would get packaged as apps on android more easily. Currently on android there is no way to actually add web apps to the app drawer, except for things like Go or Twitter Lite etc.

[@adaml.5355]

Amazon Silk Browser also uses this technique, but it can be disabled.

[@Chronicler92]

Oh the familiar, lovely, calming, soothing background score is baaack!! :D

[@khamsinshamal7988]

1: After Google (who sells us to information brokers) took over Android, Android stopped being an independent alternative OS. 2: This looks like Android “light” with Puffin as the middle man, harvesting all our information. 3: Since I care about privacy, I wouldn’t even let this phone come near me 4: Looks like it works suspiciously similar to KaiOS.

[@bruhmoment7546]

This is actually worse than with android, since google can probably be trusted more than puffin, and besides google is basically impossible to hack, while puffins servers may have a lot of security vulnerabilities. Its bad when google uses your data to help ads, but its even worse when puffin gets hacked and all your money from your bank account disapeers.

[@arnavrawat9864]

Fair points but i would disagree that the first point (the performance of apps), implies the OS is bad. It's actually pretty impressive they managed that on a low end phone. Credit should be given where it's due.

[@adityamishra611]

Ok! Now, i miss my Firefox OS phone 🤦‍♂️

[@froquede]

fetching and rendering the webapps in a proxy server is not the same as the regular pwa also the delay between your network and their servers invalidates the speed certainty

[@jatinsharma8097]

Now you're talking The old BGM again. Love it . 😀

[@kingsamvisuals]

Nah fam. Better give Google my data. The security aspect is too sketchy. This is purely data mining the vulnerable. Governments need to step in.

[@steventechno]

"governments need to step in" ..... And get in on this!

[@kingsamvisuals]

@@mxsr1671 Google definitely has their issues. 1: Google is a mega company vs this tiny startup. 2: Have you seen that privacy policy? I could've come up with that. (Can't they even afford a lawyer or security experts?) 3: ALL your browsing data, (Logins, Form, Fills, Banking, Credit cards etc.) Are processed by their servers not on device and they can view all that. Its very different from how even Google operates. You're essentially filling out information which is actually being filled out by their servers essentially mirroring what you type. That's shady. 4: Google is constantly being watched by the US and even the EU. They can't afford to slip up. Who is monitoring this company?

[@umamifan]

George Roper why do you not care if shady people (who probably couldn’t give s shot what happened to your data if their servers got hijacked or etc) have access to everything you do? I’m fine with google having it because they’re both secure and wouldn’t need my data or use it maliciously

[@ItzMeKarizma]

Omg those replies are so funny.. Calm down kids, puffin is useless with no security BUT if you still think that your personal information aren't collected then you're wrong.. Apple, Google, and all the other companies get your data, even those who are very sensitive (i bet they know your bank details) but for some reason they dont use our data to steal us because they're a big company and dont really care to check everyones information. Also the terms of services etc aren't 10 lines of text like puffin (seems like a 9yrs old kid wrote it 😂).

[@steventechno]

@TOP THINKERS Reeeee!

[@MarkyDav]

I still miss Windows Mobile.

[@fernanaquino2482]

I still use my lumia 950xl as a daily. Thank God for third party apps like 6tag, winstapp, likebook it makes it usable. I bring along my nokia android if i need to use ride hailing apps (uber/grab) and banking needs.

[@theobserver3753]

Yeah I loved it a lot.. but it just couldn't compete..

[@Viktor007]

I still miss my Nokia 3310

[@xMooD1]

Your channel is among the best in this category! Awesome achievement from Hungary, wish you many more subs!

[@happysmash27]

There's also the problem of data usage from constantly streaming the data that shows up on screen...

[@S4B1R]

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK THE OLD MUSIC How is no-one talking about this? Thanks for 8 likes! OMG THANKS FOR 41 LIKES THATS THE MOST IVE EVER HAD!!!

[@SenkJu]

Somehow didn't even notice until I read your comment.

[@S4B1R]

@@SenkJu lol i was wondering if i was watching an old video

[@fernanaquino2482]

But I want the old laid back chill music. Not liking this one

[@swapnilsonawane9874]

Yesssssss!

[@Syiepherze]

Isn't this the same background music in PewDiePie's videos?

[@xWe2s]

PWAs are the future anyway. But their (Puffin's) approach is wrong, because of the security reasons. And no, "seeing" your password is not even needed. I don't know what they mean with that. They can just pass through the server.

[@humayun891]

What is PWA?

[@corwinweber693]

They can't pass through the server because the app is running on the server, not the phone. The email he shows describes it as being like RDP. It's a proxy. There is no possible way this tech can be secure from the user's perspective.

[@Schlohmotion]

@@humayun891 I second this question

[@bryanalexisleoncastillo316]

@@humayun891 Progressive Web Apps (PWA), in my knowledge are sites that are packed in the form of an app. Example: making a website an "app".

[@ashrafkimi4606]

If they wish the puffin OS to keep better, they should figure out something about the security and privacy data. And also about the solution if the server suddenly going down due to traffic data, they should have some backup solution. However, there is so many lacks of puffin OS itself. I don't think it is an efficient system to be use unless they overcome the 3 main points I've mentioned justnow.

[@icrafterchips]

puffin makes a web browser

[@maskedlover8768]

Puffin: we will make the new OS! Android: Hold my Android.

[@kojok4667]

Google actually

[@izzrainy7410]

have you heard of the Pinephone? also, middleman servers, yikes.

[@Schlohmotion]

I love middleman servers when I have my own middleman server put between their middleman server and your phone :D

[@Schlohmotion]

Good luck finding me. I'm behind 7 middleman servers.

[@RokeJulianLockhart.s4eb2q]

@@Schlohmotion Well then you're obviously not the target market.

[@DoesNotGiveAF]

What's that whooshing sound? Oh..

[@danielmayer9209]

When I zoom the video to fullscreen your head looses it's too half 😄 you could fix that by moving the cam or zooming out or idk. But I would appreciate that :) also thank you for bringing back the old intro music

[@alexamderhamiltom5238]

i was like just "oooh, i just save my phone on another person(s)...." then i looking at my blackberry and breath slowly..

[@kmg501]

Closed source is a full stop no go.

[@uiopuiop3472]

Fully agree.

[@dorinpopa6962]

Closed source with a server operating, essentially, a man in the middle attack 24/7. Sounds secure as hell! 🤣

[@akashkhatri4652]

So in the end it's just a fork of Android Os without play services.

[@MarioScott]

This is just a friendly man in the middle attack.

[@wazzup233]

It's looks like Puffin OS is a Pandora's Box of government surveillance... Or maybe not. 😅

[@damian007567]

Technical explanation to what Puffin OS is doing: JS Apps/PWA Apps have one big flaw. Basicly you're downloading a huge pool of data everytime you open the page. Obviously this is slow, because the app also because all this code has to be executet on your device. So their are various technics to speed this up. The most comen being prerendering. I changes the behavior when you first load the app. You only get HTML (Basicly a static Page) on the inital load. And after the page is visible for you it will load the rest of the page, and make everything interactive. So everything after the inital Page load can't be speed up anymore. On top of that many pages like Wikipedia for example. Won't see a speed difference at all because their page is just not a single page application. But this is also a standard step for most PWAs. So if you ask me Puffin OS is a complet scam. They make you belive that they did something greate but in the end they use existing technolegy. And sell it as their own inovation. I think about an hour is all you need to make a standard Web App, to something like the ones Published in the Puffin App Store. Ofcourse if you own the page which should support this you will be even faster (litteraly 5 min process).

[@harysviewty]

I wanted LG to inject WebOS magic into their Android OS

[@marco.morel04]

Honestly I don't think even LG knows how powerful their WebOS platform is. They could really make some amazing phones with it but for some reason LG just doesn't seem to care about their mobile division anymore. Updates are slow and bugs take so long to get fixed. I enjoy LG phones but I had to switch to Samsung because I need a reliable phone and LG phones have way too many problems to be reliable

[@SecondTake123]

@@marco.morel04 I have been using LG phones exclusively for the past 5 years. I think that they could expand their user interface but I stick with them because LG phones emit less radiation than any other phone and the screens are always the best.

[@marco.morel04]

@@SecondTake123 Samsung's actually give off the most radiation so if I die you'll know who to sue 😂😂

[@kojok4667]

@@marco.morel04 do your research well you're too dumb

[@RokeJulianLockhart.s4eb2q]

@@SecondTake123 Their screens are the best?! Have you ever used a G5?

[@schaddly]

been keeping my eye on this but i havent heard any updates since this video first came out. is this still ongoing in development?

[@lionnel]

Wait what ? at 2:23 notice the app at the end, how do you explain the name "tirvago" ?

[@joseu7893]

Wasn't Firefox is the same? Or did it handle things differently?

[@TheDragShot]

All web rendering was done on the phone tho, otherwise yes both of them relied heavily on web apps. This made Friefox OS unsuitable for certain kinds of apps like games, end-to-end messaging and such, and without many apps the OS slowly died.

[@yvrelna]

Nope, not at all. Firefox OS renders all apps locally, and they use progressive apps techniques so apps can essentielle run a webserver locally to avoid reaching out to another server except for updates and content. Puffin renders the apps on Puffin's servers and serve a static version of the app locally, making them closer to Opera Mini/Turbo than to Firefox OS.

[@_no1rvanna]

Dad had a phone like this and it was from a cheap Huawei device iirc. Idk, I might be tripping or something but that OS looks so familiar.

[@hk5716]

I can't tell whether these apps are being rendered on a remote server like stadia or data is just packaged on remote server

[@fluffycritter]

The remote rendering stuff sounds a heck of a lot like the Silk Browser stuff that Amazon put into the Fire phone.

[@gamerdave9286]

If it's still Android "under the hood" it's not a competitor. I want something 0% Android 100% something completely ground up NEW! I'm tired of only iOS and Android. I like both, but I'm tired of ONLY having them. It's interesting still though I'd still check it out.

[@lilroom8238]

I would like to see something like Linux phone with advantages of linux like desktop versions of Linux programs

[@gamerdave9286]

@@lilroom8238 That would be really nice to see!

[@dewannaeem7283]

@@gamerdave9286 Ubuntu Touch is dead.

[@ananon5771]

@@lilroom8238 get the librem 5

[@MetalheadBuser]

Thats not going to happen soon. The market is set, at Max you could have success in cheap phones for developing countries. and even there i doubt it would work out. Ubuntu touch is dead, Firefox os failed as well and even Microsoft failed, Sailfish os failed. And for the developing market, there is now android now... And there is no way a new os could enter the market in Western markets anytime soon. Besides that windows did cost money for the manufacturers, the main reason it failed was apps. They entered late, anyone had iOS or android, therefore few users got one. Few users means only few apps. And without apps, nobody buys the phone. And without anyone buying the phone, nobody ports apps. A perfect vicious circle. Kinda sad, I liked windows phone, but you now, never got one because you've guessed it - Apps.... MAYBE this could change in a decade or two, but for now there is no chance anyone could compete.

[@Jay_khimji]

This is similar to Firefox OS We all know how that ended

[@adzharzandar4641]

how ? would you mind explain in simple explaination

[@DieRugle]

Its not, firefox OS lacks apps puffin OS uses PWAs so, uses mobile web pages and not apps. It's not the same

[@Jay_khimji]

@@DieRugle both are web based operating systems they are similar I never said same They have are SIMILAR

[@Joshlul]

something of note is that the chrome browser on android has an option to enable what is basically equivalent to that remote browsing tech, and opera mobile for j2me phones also did this way back before the days of proper smartphones

[@Joshlul]

so if you wanted that feature you could just enable it on chrome, there is also a desktop plugin for chrome that does this if you're interested

[@eldarshamukhamedov4521]

The baffling part is that they went through all of this effort and no one thought about the privacy issue.

[@No_Mikey_No]

LMAO, Tinder is also pre-installed? xDDD 01:46

[@etnevel.naitzsirk]

Since their desktop browser is subscription based and there is no Linux version either, I wouldn't support this either. The idea is good, it would be good alternative to FirefoxOS/KaiOS with web apps, but every day users would not care about it if they have free alternatives. The Puffin team is too courageous with this business model. Also I would not trust something that loads all my data on a remote server. What did they think?

[@hotimpression]

EVERYDAY I SEE NEW SAILFISH TYPE OS, with most probably fate of sailfish

[@dayvie9517]

That re-render per interaction really sucks on Puffin OS. Destroys the only advantage which the thing should have: performance. So there is no reason to give them your data or risk a data breach in one of their data-centers