Puppy Farm Owner Uses "Accidental Reloading" Defense to Double Killing | Christine Lee and Lucy Lee

[@marciabosteder9781]

Abusing animals are also the same type of people that abuse humans. I seen this over and over again.

[@albertafarmer8638]

So true.

[@fighterflight]

That’s actually supported by research. It’s why the FBI started tracking animal cruelty offenses.

[@carolyndavison6095]

True!!!

[@vonclod123]

Never buy pups from a puppy mill, and people who abuse animals generally are the same with people.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

Yes. The ABCs of the MacDonald triad of a) arson, b) bedwetting, and c) cruelty to animals indicate a propensity toward violence. The Dark Personality Triad plus one equals the Dark Tetrad (i.e., 1. psychopathy, 2. narcissism, 3. Machiavellianism, and 4. sadism). This is the stuff of criminality and, apparently, thieves and murderers. So, Stacy's lack of cooperation led to the murders of her mother, Christine, and her sister, Lucy, before her conviction for fraud. It is crazy that John had his weapons returned to him after his first threat.

[@vonclod123]

@@nanettevantriesteharder2469 "It is crazy that John had his weapons returned to him after his first threat" Ok, I thought this was out of the US, my bad, I'm very surprised they gave him back any weapons being based in England.

[@justmeagain7]

​@vonclod123 same thing with the waffle restaurant crime. The young man was schizophrenic and got into trouble with the police several times. The police removed his guns and gave them to his father. His father shortly RETURNED THE GUNS TO HIM!. He went to a waffle restaurant and shoot innocent people inside, killing several of them.

[@vonclod123]

Hmm, ya, ok, my bad. I have no hate for America either.

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

Also remember that people that are nice to animals are not always nice to humans.

[@megalopolis2015]

Poor Lucy. So brave and selfless. John went from supposed fear of being put in a home, to being put under a prison cell. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[@fredjonestowns4213]

That poor innocent man. That shotgun had a mind of its own and just would not listen to him.

[@wildfireintexas]

I just do not understand how any mother could be so stupid and careless with her children.

[@hopeausbyn1734]

Please let this event serve as a cautionary Tell for other women. She and her adult children paid a high price for trying to save, or make a buck. Probably thinking that they would "Off" him and end up with the "Puppyfarm."

[@MsNooneinparticular]

SAME. It's easy to see why men would behave this way when society enables it all their lives (and women reward them by falling all over them), but for women to choose misogyny, abuse, infidelity & degradation over the peace of being single makes NO sense. Men put up with no such maltreatment while being expected to handle all the housework, child-rearing & things that should be their grown partner's responsibilities.

[@sarahm9813]

​@@AquaFyrrelol

[@wintercame]

@@AquaFyrre Sorry, no.

[@sharonhoyt2133]

@@AquaFyrre The behavior was created by men inheriting power through family, laws and business entitlement. It was how life worked for thousands of years and will take awhile to undo the damage.

[@Gunnersaurus1]

John is exactly what you'd expect a puppy farmer to be

[@markferguson3745]

Pretty much. Don't patronize pure bred breeders.Go to the local animal shelter .

[@HeatherHolt]

I agree!! People who make money off innocent animals are disturbed or lazy or both. Farmers included bc we’ve all seen how factory farming works even on a “local” farm. Animals being mistreated, I just can’t. They’re innocent and have no idea what’s happening to them, they only know fear and pain. Breeders are the same kind of awful in my book. I worked with an animal rescue here in my town and to see how many people breeding animals do awful things to them - things I don’t ever want to think of - one poor baby was so overbred (pit bull) she had a prolapse and ate rocks bc they weren’t feeding her. Skin and bones. I’ve never ever come across a “good” breeder. They will even off the little pups that are runts or don’t get purchased. Rabbit breeders are awful too. Breeders of any kind imo.

[@SirCamsmorethanalot]

Totally agree! I got a puppy mill shut down when I showed video of their operation to humane society. I went undercover as a puppy purchaser. It was disgusting! Also was Amish who are known to mistreat and not give a shite about animals! Nasty "religion".@@HeatherHolt

[@lisamac8503]

@@HeatherHolt it is why vegans are vegans and yet people critize them for NOT wanting animals to suffer ...yes compassion is very much missing in "Human KIND"

[@MissJellybean]

​@@HeatherHoltHave you ever actually been on a family farm? My uncle's animals on his farm are treated better than most people. They follow him around like little puppy dogs. Hell they even have giant balls they play with and run around the big fields. Seeing a 1,000 lb of 2500 lb animal play with a ball like a cat is absolutely adorable. Yes they are used as food, because as humans we are omnivores and we should eat meat. My uncle just doesn't believe that the animals should be treated horribly before they are slaughtered. He wants to give them the best life they possibly can have. So stop with your blanket statements because I'm assuming you're a vegan and you guys are just annoying. I'm going to guess you're depressed, your skin tone probably has a grey caste to it; that's because you need meat to produce certain amino acids to facilitate dopamine production and other hormones in the body that you just can't get from beans. Unfortunately it has to come for animals because that's how we're built. Just look at our teeth... They're made for eating both plant and animal matter.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What a strange case. Financial independence is such an important aspect of one’s life, without which people are prone to make terrible decisions. Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤

[@bessless7911]

Dr. Grande, thanks for the reminder that sometimes a bad financial state can lead people to ignore even the most obvious red flags 🚩Such a sad case.

[@tinameyer7080]

Easy to say- but, not really helpful in reality. The possession (or lack thereof) of financial resources often dictates the number and quality of options available. Thus, even if red flags are observed and recognized, there may be a limited number of alternative options available.

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

It makes me sad to think of what Susannah, Lucy and all the animals went through. It’s also tragic that Christine moved her daughters into that situation. I don’t agree with what Christine did AT ALL. I know she was probably abused, but she put herself and worst of all her daughters in danger. The entire thing is sick and sad. I imagine he was also horrible to his animals. There was probably so much mistreatment happening at the hands of this ugly, awful old man. People who commit domestic violence should not have access to weapons. Two of the biggest red flags- animal abuse and domestic abuse. A person who is capable of not one but BOTH of these things should DEFINITELY not be given his guns back.

[@dimethedude]

Only a true monster could hurt a puppy

[@eadweard.]

Childish drivel.

[@paul9156c]

Dr. Grande, I grew up on a chicken ranch. Every night we feared for our lives when we would go out to capture loose hens, because we never knew when one of those "vicious high capacity assault hens" might go postal. Which might explain why I suffer from horrendous nightmares, and PTSD. 😂

[@paul9156c]

Just in case anyone was wondering, only the first half of my original comment is true. I see most of my childhood memories as a blessing. Please forgive my dark sense of humor. It was not meant to suggest that others who suffer from PTSD, aren't actually suffering. I know it's real, and you have my respect. 🙏

[@ember1794]

😂 It's okay, I have PTSD and I laughed at your comment and the army ranger and marine hen comment above 😅🐔🐔❤❤

[@Vonononie]

From what I can remember of the case, some of the shotguns weren’t returned to him as they had been modified which wasn’t allowed by his license. The police were using any reason not to return them to him

[@DavidHBurkart]

...of course they did. Everything except skipping over the previous "threats to kill others part"

[@Vonononie]

@@DavidHBurkart I think the issue is the police aren’t an homogeneous lump. The police going out and dealing with him (he had had a lot of contact with them over the years) knew he shouldn’t have the shotguns, hence they took them away. But once he asked for them back it’s down to a different department and their legal advisers to decide if they go to court and fight the matter. They obviously decided not to challenge it. As there was no justification for him to have modified shotguns, he didn’t have a legal case to keep them, so those were the ones the local force could keep away from him. I believe these procedures have completely changed now, as this case was a few decades ago and there was an enquiry afterwards

[@dwaynemcallister7231]

Thanks for your perspective, good information@@Vonononie

[@WyndStryke]

> The police were using any reason not to return them to him They were perfectly entitled to refuse to return any of the 7 given his history. Breaking the license was just one of many reasons which they failed to consider.

[@Vonononie]

@@WyndStryke but they weren’t entitled to remove his shotguns as he had never had a custodial sentence. That would automatically make the removal of the firearms legal, but without that history the police would be challenged in court. Also the recent charges had been dropped as the victims decided not to prosecute. No prosecution means there’s no criminal record. As Dr G said it left the police in a difficult position. For the puppy farm, that prostitution was probably brought by the RSPCA in a civil court. It’s not escalated to criminal court unless the farm continued, but it seems he hadn’t been charged or taken to criminal court before the main crimes. So you have a man with no custodial sentencing, and no current crimes under investigation. I can see why the lawyers didn’t want to refuse the shotgun return. But the local police, who probably knew him well, did what they could not to return all the firearms. I believe this is now different and the Chief Constable can make the decision under a different criteria, but that wasn’t the case a few decades ago

[@elizabethhamm5320]

How bad was her first husband if she divorced him but was determined to work it out with John? Both her daughters paid the price. It’s too bad that Lucy didn’t exercise more caution and wait for the police

[@HeatherHolt]

It would be hard to know your moms in there bleeding out and not go help but there’s also a killer in there… if it was my dad hurt idk what I’d do. I wouldn’t wnt him to be alone. Even if it meant I might die too. Or at least I’d hope I’d be that brave. Idk.

[@ThimbleFox350]

@@HeatherHolt Your dad's whole purpose in life is to be your protector. He wants you to run and get as far away as possible from the danger! Dads always see their daughters as their 5 years old self too I feel like.

[@camillelong2093]

All my hens are vicious high capacity assault hens. Three of them are army rangers and one is a marine.

[@katarina1852]

🤣🤣🤣

[@alikaperdue]

@14:10 - "If a person is capable of harming animals, they are almost certainly capable of harming people". Wise words Dr Grande. I met a girl who treated my cat badly. So then, I protected my cat from her. But later, she harmed me. Never ever trust a person who carelessly harms an animal. Especially pets. Evil lurks in them. Lock them out of your life. Don't wait to learn the hard way.

[@ThimbleFox350]

bruhh in high school I brought a girl to my house just to get snacks and she slammed the floor around my deaf cat and scared it on purpose the cat was clearly upset when she would do it and I was like ?? what the fuck are you doing??? and she would just laugh maniacally..so I never had her at my house again. and then I never witnessed it but animals just always died around her when it was just her and the animal together. I always wonder if she ever did it to humans as an adult.

[@mc26collum]

The mom and the daughter's former living situation must've been far worse than the disgusting farm. They both used each other.

[@Hawaiian6-pack]

A “vicious, high capacity assault hen!” Idk how you deliver these lines with your signature deadpan storytelling, but you’re a comic genius.😂

[@keysaysassah]

Also, what a sweet final act from Lucy 😢 even after her mum got her in such a bad relationship in the first place!

[@BHarris25]

“His level of physical attractiveness could be considered substandard“ lmao, that’s one way of saying it.

[@DarthFurie]

I really appreciate how frequently you upload, Dr. Grande

[@lindahill5244]

I lived next to this property and vividly remember when this happened. Many of his puppies died shortly after being sold. He was a very nasty man to his animals and family.

[@Cat-qo3ht]

It had to be heartbreaking to have a good idea of what abuse was happening to the dogs in his "care" and not be able to do anything about it.

[@azulgaia7782]

There needs to be regulation if 'puppy farms' are licensed. Why wasn't he also charged with animal abuse? Making money off breeding living beings is suspect. Can't wait until an animal with a longer lifespan than ours controls our reproduction. Keep up the evolution, Giant Tortoise!

[@lindahill5244]

He was reported several times to the RSPCA but he always found a way around things.

[@Cat-qo3ht]

@@lindahill5244 That's terrible.

[@debbieforareason364]

“And his level of physical attractiveness could be considered substandard”- Dr Grande is so savage 😂

[@user-cv1gv6jr6f]

It’s just so unbelievable, I don’t understand what he was thinking.

[@nathanmay1070]

I know this story. Sad. That farmhouse, keepers cottage stud is still abandoned to this day and left to decay.

[@christelspiritus4892]

Actually, it's been demolished since and something new build instead..

[@nathanmay1070]

@@christelspiritus4892 oh really I never knew that. I watched an abandoned buildings you tuber who explored that cottage and land.

[@christelspiritus4892]

@@nathanmay1070 so have I. I watch a lot of urban exploration. But I have been through the comment section of many of the abandoned videos to find info on this case recently and many say it has been demolished and build something new.

[@Asylar343]

Found it on Google Earth. Demolished some time between June 2018 and April 2020. It looks like what is possibly a greenhouse has been built there since. But most of the property is still undeveloped.

[@nathanmay1070]

@@Asylar343 That's interesting, it always amazed me that you can walk or drive past a place and always wonder about its history. It is a tragedy what happened on that land.

[@sharonhoyt2133]

This sad and horrible story was balanced by your reason and amazing humor.

[@stephanieramirez2947]

What an evil man. Makes me sad the daughter died trying to save her mom. I guess the guilt of not having tried (had she left and survived ) would end up tormenting someone for a lifetime. There were signs. Remember when someone shows you who they really are- believe them. Thank you for the insight Dr Grande

[@robswystun2766]

All the dogs in the photos look so sad.

[@eadweard.]

Sentimental drivel.

[@Snakesnarl]

Because they are sad.

[@JD-cw4qg]

great post Dr Grande, tragic case , Sadly there are too many puppy farms like this. And this man held 7 shotguns. Flipping heck. theres me thinking people had to go through strict vetting to hold a firearms license here in the UK.

[@Mikkibriteside]

Pretty sure John wasn't a prize to fight over..I would have said.."You can do that with anyone else. Just not me" Bye!

[@texasrefugee7888]

I think he already had early dementia and those women were predators

[@wendiwonderly1419]

Dr grande. Please consider doing an episode on derby eckert the puppy mill owner turned convict in emmaus PA. People who engage in this behavior are more than greedy puppy mill owners. They have a pathological need to dominate and control small animals. Not surprisingly they have difficulty dealing with people too

[@josephno1347]

Christine threw her daughters to the dogs

[@blue-ch7ik]

You can tell a lot about the persons personality if they own a damn puppy mill! Evil!

[@louisal7185]

Feel so sorry for those poor puppies🥺 Disgusting people!

[@user-cv1gv6jr6f]

Love your case studies! You have a great dry wit which I love. Thanks for all the hard work,and please keep it coming.

[@icturner23]

I hope Stacey feels very ashamed for entering into a criminal conspiracy with someone who then killed her mother and sister.

[@AurorabyssInk]

Dr Grande, please do a breakdown of the band Mayhem and the early norwegian black metal scene. There is a slew of suicides, murders, and other behavior that i think your viewers would find interesting for you to cover, thanks

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Let’s speculate! Thanks, Grande! ❤ I appreciated your overview on this interesting case. ❤ The information you provided here is much appreciated.

[@GuitarPlayerNoah]

"Shotgun lethality is not dependent on some type of critical mass" 🤣

[@sophiaann2986]

Look mk

[@user-cv1gv6jr6f]

He’s so funny! Love the dry wit!

[@ashmaxima8181]

Dr. Grande those of us who know, know. Always appreciate seeing a commentator who is well versed in firearms when presenting crime cases, you’re more on it than some firearm-specific channels. #2A #RKBA

[@bthomson]

Always get a nice rush of excitement when a new Grande video is announced. I sit back, close my eyes, and picture the situation with that great voice filling in the story and lessons learned. Thanks for a very dependable, enlightening, entertaining and cautionary experience! 😘🕵👩‍🎓🙏👀🎓🍷🌋🌄🛋🎯

[@mikayla67]

Dr. Grande, can you please cover what happened with Olivia Atkocaitis? Olivia was a victim of horrific, long-term abuse at the hands of her adoptive parents, Denise and Thomas Atkocaitis. International adoption NEEDS more oversight! Multiple systems failed Olivia over and over again.

[@vladimirputindreadlockrast812]

Somewhere in jolly old England is a local bobby admiring his two new shotguns.

[@manewland1]

Monday morning coffee and a weekend's worth of videos to get caught up on; thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!

[@nancydrew1882]

There’s a special place in hell for parents who put their carnal needs before their children!!

[@Alice-ov3rd]

I think it was more financial than carnal but I get what you mean.

[@SRPA476]

Dr. Grande’s sarcasm-laden analysis of this was brutal.

[@ginaharden2111]

Hi, Dr. G. This is a heartbreaking case. Everyone lost in this convoluted story. Stacy faired best. I hope you and your family and friends have a great weekend ahead - Happy Veterans Day OX

[@marijo1951]

We have very strict gun laws here in the UK but occasionally a licence is granted to an entirely unsuitable person with tragic consequences. This was one example - a man known to be violent and showing signs of dementia. Another was the Plymouth "incel" Jake Davison (also covered by Dr Grande) who lived at home with his mother and had absolutely no "good reason" as required by law to own a firearm. Another strange thing about this case is that the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) is normally very determined in their actions and pretty ruthless against repeat offenders. I'm surprised that John Lowe wasn't monitored closely to ensure he stopped his horrible practices.

[@eadweard.]

I don't think the RSPCA have any real powers, do they?

[@marijo1951]

@@eadweard. If the police and Crown Prosecution Service don't prosecute, the RSPCA regularly bring private prosecutions and they have a very high success rate. Being such a popular charity they usually have the funds.

[@eadweard.]

@@marijo1951 Oh yes I see. Thanks for explaining.

[@christelspiritus4892]

Always felt there's more to this case than is known.

[@susanmann5286]

"A dose of...puppy love!" BTW, please don't buy your dog at a puppy mill!!!

[@LaniLanilei]

You may be rescuing them in this way. Report them.

[@richvail7551]

Your pun abilities have left me unable to add any dad jokes. I appreciate your check mate.

[@bunnymad5049]

Hang on ... both women put up with him? Oh, this is all kinds of messed up. And Stacey getting slapped with a wet bus ticket is disgusting. Just awful. Feel for Lucy very deeply.

[@oneminuteofmyday]

I had to back up twice to make sure I was understanding correctly that both women were living there at the same time. What a weird situation.

[@bunnymad5049]

@@oneminuteofmyday Yeah! I was the same. Mind blowing.

[@MEL2theJ]

Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏 Appreciated the "dog" puns

[@larrydale7412]

Nice to see you interviewed by Michael Clum in the Boogie documentary 😊

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! November 12 is National Pizza with the Works Except Anchovies Day, World Pneumonia Day, International Tongue-Twister Day, Happy Hour Day, Wine Tourism Day, the Order of Fools, Day of the Bible, National French Dip Day, National Girls Learning Code Day, and Chicken Soup for the Soul Day.

[@gemhudson9896]

And?

[@Flamsterette]

@@gemhudson9896 And what? If you have an issue with additional quirkiness, keep it to yourself.

[@gemhudson9896]

@Flamsterette how very rude and presumptuous! I was asking what else the 12th of November was famous for.....

[@Flamsterette]

@@gemhudson9896 You're the one who's rude and presumptuous, actually. There could be other made-up holidays, and I am not the curator of those!

[@ginpepper]

“Vicious High Capacity Assault Hen” you’re hilarious Dr G! I replayed that 3 times

[@lilybeth71dld57]

most concise informative coverage.. even within incredibly brief time

[@22ab8]

Dr. Grande, your one-liners were going off like a shotgun!

[@ek5384]

“Viscous high capacity assault hens” 😂😂😂 I’m dead

[@phoenixrises1311]

What possibly made those women want to be with that old dude?

[@MatthewMS.]

The zip ties and petroleum can case from the other week really disturbed me unlike another other episode or most anything I have ever heard or seen as a 41 year old educated professional adult (*disclosure I am from New Jersey). The premeditation of a very rare phenom of family annihilation in such a unimaginative nightmare method is mind shattering. However, seeing puppies abused is where I personally have to draw the line and may have to skip my first episode ever. I can't imagine someone could abuse a puppy, that must be impossible.

[@astralshore]

I totally missed the double barrel / three shots discrepancy during dr Todd’s account. Excellent point 😂

[@martinhogg5337]

Love the dry humour!

[@AVantinfluencer]

😂😂😂😂😂 "shotgun crítical mass" pr "lego bricks" Dr. Grande, you are the best.

[@kimberlybaldridge5767]

I was waiting for the banjo music to kick in.

[@caliblue2]

Another lesson is…everything is temporary. Be ready to flee when it doesn’t look good ~

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Always interesting Outstanding humor Thank you

[@sophiaisabelle01]

We apppreciate your insights, Dr Grande. You'll always have our support.

[@patricianoel7782]

Entertaining as always. Well done, Dr. Grande.❤

[@troy3456789]

I thought Dr Grande was going to say *"here are my final thoughts; this story is a train wreck"*

[@zenawarrior7442]

Another very sad case, what a monster. Great analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💙💙

[@gailkelly6154]

Hello Dr. Grande. Always gladbto see you. I love listening to your analysis of all the people you speak about. THANK YOU ❤

[@baby_m0th]

“Viscious, high-capacity assault hen” 😂

[@Imightberiding]

Hi Dr. Grande, I've followed your videos & have been a subscriber for several years. You could safely say I am a fan & enjoy your content. I just wanted to comment this one time about how I appreciated your restraint in the often over use of bad, predictable puns in your summation. You still kept with your MO but exercised some rather unexpected restraint this time & only included a few obvious puns.. It was mildly refreshing but not over done. Your use of puns were as always, humorous but more so this time as a direct result of not being over done or over the top like most of your summations. I'm just commenting on your selection & use of puns, not actually diagnosing your over use of puns in your previous videos & just offering my opinion on this one instance. I trust you receive this constructive criticism in the good spirit that was intended. Thumbs up on this one. Cheers from Canada.

[@hopeausbyn1734]

People and animals were admired and discarded at the Master's pleasure.

[@ash5433]

Dr. Grande, could you do an analysis of the Twin Flames Cult leaders ?

[@Aerie925]

I saw this story on the series My Lover, My Killer. So many balls dropped by authorities in this one. Very tragic.

[@oakwestplayer]

Amazing work ethic, uploading every day. Please do a video on the sigsauer P320, negligent discharges.

[@ianpeddle6818]

I reminder this case - utterly bizarre. As we say, nowt stranger than folk

[@alvinbuana5905]

Hi Dr Grande, please do a case about Lou Pearlman. Thank you

[@sandangels73]

I haven't watched the video yet. I just have to comment on the cute little beagle in the thumbnail. I have 2 beagle babies. Beagles are so sweet and adorable. I'm not biased 🤣

[@stephengrimmer35]

@1:36 "his level of physical attractiveness was substandard"🤣 He looked like a geriatric Ricky Gervaise ffs!

[@JDoe001]

Apparently they had SEVERE self-esteem issues, as well. (Also, I feel the need to remind everyone that WE are animals, too.)

[@laurenurban3942]

If a person treats animals badly…..you can be sure that they treat humans even worse.

[@keysaysassah]

Those poor animals 😢 please please please adopt...and while we’re on the topic of people who make a profit off of the bodies of non-human animals, please also leave animals off of your plate (as much as possible). I just feel sick thinking about all the weirdos who regularly abuse animals and cut their lives extremely short when they’re no longer ‘useful’ to them

[@francesbernard2445]

This case is so scary.

[@TJTurnage]

Based on the comments, I don’t think I have the stomach to watch this one. The way you crank out these videos, your work ethic is unbelievable, Dr. Grande. Using the OCEAN acronym, you are redlining the Conscientiousness category.

[@CankleCankle]

You should listen to these cases that are difficult to hear. We should know the depths that humans are capable of sinking to. If not to protect yourself, then to recognize signs that you could help others to notice.

[@LBdreamin]

A surly Surrey farm

[@JasKhalid]

First time I haven’t watched a Grande episode. I can’t do animal abuse. It makes me sick.

[@General_Alek]

the Buck Ruxton case would suit Todd pretty well

[@user-lf9og2sr6n]

❤Thank you❤Sending lots of LUV to IDF, save the MINORITY HOSTAGES - Stop Racism Against the JEWS, Amen❤❤❤

[@honesttruth8064]

Insanity and despicable.

[@user-ru3ql6ji4p]

"substandard"🤣🤣

[@michaelb5119]

Man nothing like dr grande just dryly calling people ugly in scientific terms

[@btetschner]

I am curious as to why the public initially thought he was a respectable dog breeder. Once relationships are isolated like that, especially when they were unstable before, there is potential for all types of things to happen. There is not much anyone can do for social circles like that when they are out of sight.

[@javierromero6858]

Some people just, naturally, make humongous bad decisions.

[@Cat-qo3ht]

Stay far, far away from anyone who is cruel to animals. That would be a good indicator of how evil this person was. What were those women thinking? I feel sorry for any animals that came into his puppy mill. What a cruel, wicked human being. The women had a choice, the animals didn't.

[@TheMattTrakker]

Using an older dude for his money isn't taking advantage of someone? The double standards for what counts as, "taking advantage", of someone are ridiculous.

[@MuhammadAdamGhamkoley]

What a mother christine was to have put her daughter in the situation and causing her death. It wasnt wise for the daughter to go in to get shot and killed.

[@paulf2529]

I think the death of Christine was acidental as per Johns story but the murder of Lucy was deliberate.

[@BohoAstronaut0822]

Are you serious?

[@janeoleary8454]

Bullcrap

[@paulf2529]

@@BohoAstronaut0822 The poor man had early onset dementia, very plausible that he shot Christine by mistake. I then think he panicked and shot Lucy in fear.

[@BohoAstronaut0822]

@@paulf2529 let's hope you never end up on a jury.

[@henkbarnard1553]

5:06 Good thing it wasn't a killer rabbit.

[@natya3121]

I’m going to comment to support..but this is one video I cannot watch 😭😭