Pushing The Limits of Physical Tank Tracks In This Game! [Instruments of Destruction]

[@WynterLegend]

Tank and Track Mechanic here (63A). Track normally has freely rotating roadwheels (the ones that hold it to the road), same thing with it's guide wheels. The track itself is normally driven by one sprocket at the back or front, on each side. The sprockets' (usually in pairs of 2 on each side) maniples (teeth) bite into gaps between the track's links on each part of the outside. This provides a ton of torque transfer, instead of slipping along the inside of the track with a drive wheel. I doubt it's possible in Instruments of Destruction, but it sure would help how well it climbs! You could have the larger wheels drive it, as they keep pressure with the ground, and let the guide-wheels rotate freely. On an M1A1(A2/A3) Abrahms, you have a series of narrow teeth, that slip between pairs of narrower guide wheels. This helps the track stay centered at every point it makes contact with the roadwheels. The same is true of the M88 Recovery Vehicle (think like a tow-tank, for tanks), and the M113A3 APC. This track design's merits are pretty clear, otherwise they wouldn't use it for so many vehicles. Each of the Road Wheels have suspension in the form of Torsion Bars (Springsteel rods designed to twist) that allow the track to deform to terrain. Tension is maintained by the piston having a torsion bar itself. So, you could have suspension, more in the style of a Sherman, on each of your roadwheels, but remember to have a pretty rigid suspension on your Track Tension Arm. If your Tension Arm flexes, or twists (left or right) then you'll lose a lot of tension, and likely, "Throw Track," which means your track falls off. Which when you have to put the track back on, is a drawn out process. Track ain't light by any stretch of the imagination, it's made of some hefty steel. Hope this is helpful and entertaining.

[@Dude-48]

Where do you think you’re going with that huge brain of yours?

[@triplus198]

whats an abrahms i havent heard of it only abrams

[@WynterLegend]

@@triplus198 The M1A1, M1A2, M1A3, and M1AX models of the Abrams Main Battle Tank.

[@ajaxgamr4458]

We need a copy and paste. With the additional feature of multiple select, you select the parts you want to copy, then you can click paste, and you get a silhouette of the objects you copied instead of a single item.

[@elnogal9298]

This is the one thing the game needs the most and would make building massive vehicles much more easy

[@1mariomaniac]

Kinda like trailmakers, shift click a bunch of items and then copy and paste.

[@AaronLyNxAI]

Keep building tanks and the devs would probably add support for tracks, if people want it the devs could notice and end up making some sort of modular adjustable track pieces

[@stutterpunk9573]

You should try to build a realistic tank track system with road wheels, idlers, return rollers, etc. I think that would be really cool

[@softpaw6234]

Dude, he was already talking about frames talking a dive with this, he's not going to make it even more complex

[@renegadeceo]

Would love to see a 3 road wheel version that uses a rudimentary HVSS system, even if its just 2 tracks and a cab.

[@internetuser4210]

@@softpaw6234 Not to mention lag, the sprocket wheel would make this impossible as far as I know since thats a gear shape

[@weadeatr]

Hey cool profile pic man

[@stutterpunk9573]

@@internetuser4210 I agree, I hadn't seen the full video before commenting.

[@Gomorragh]

11 mins, swap the large bottom powered wheel and the roller at the front so that the powered wheel is what everything is bending round, and the rollers are just guides should mean less collisions

[@anteshell]

Please, explain how the track would start to levitate above the rollers if left unpowered? That would be the only way to reduce the contact between the rollers and tracks.

[@KommandantSeal]

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[@Circle912]

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[@KommandantSeal]

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[@The_Guy_Who_Asked72]

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[@short0811]

Dude this is awesome! Also your pun game is in overdrive for this video. Hahaha great job Scrapman. Another huge win for you (and for your viewers as well!) Cheers buddy! Edit: I would think this would work easier if you made bulldozer tracks instead of tank tracks (main difference being a higher third driving wheel about 6 blocks higher around the rear 1/3 of the track base as to lessen the friction and give more room for sturdier track design) Edit #2: missed a "Delayed Annihilation" opportunity when you were clearing the small building to get to the small wall.

[@karyjas1]

They always put the big wheels at the corners where most bending happens. You did the opposite, so you had issues, plus you forgot a crucial thing - tank suspension. Theyre pretty cool too

[@HammerFox]

As a self-proclaimed, internet certified tank expert... That is indeed a tank. But I digress. The front and back 'rollers' could also be giant powered wheels since Idlers and sprockets on tanks are usually the same size as the road wheels. That might solve the issue of the track trying to imitate a stance car. Also maybe a bar between the tensioning wheels to stop them from flexing down?

[@stellanw811]

I love when he laughs like ”hehe”

[@hilbertfaust1954]

just a few tips - put the whole row of the "tensionators" on pistons, isntead of just the front and back -put the middle bottom wheels on pistons too

[@jkx349]

Surprised that the framerate isn't TANK-ing from this

[@SirNobleIZH]

Take my angry like and leave

[@datboi3939]

lol but it was tanking and also bad pun me agny

[@XaadeTheBlade]

Imagine a tank 6 times bigger than our largest real tank in every direction.

[@Pystro]

I don't think it's too surprising that the thing is too heavy to climb over walls if the tracks alone are 3 levels tall.

[@megalodonwinter4262]

So 6 times bigger then the Maus?

[@Pystro]

@@megalodonwinter4262 A: I think he meant things that actually function as tanks and not gimmicks solely intended to impress your despotic leader. And B: there are no Maus around any more (at least no operational ones anyways).

[@megalodonwinter4262]

@@Pystro there were 3 prototypes but only 1 was functional but it didn't go to the frontline and the other 2 were destroyed but I know what you mean

[@cheese864]

I can't imagine how much time building those tracks could've cost. Show some appreciation!

[@0bsidianPrime]

What I find funny: You have a tensioning system, meaning you can build the tracks slightly larger so you can properly connect it with blocks, yet you use the beams to build as is. There are also other alterations you can do to to optimize the build.

[@Pystro]

In order to be able to connect the top and the bottom you have to be very meticulous with the angles you use. One way would be to use the exact same angles bowing out when you build from the top flat part to the middle as the angles you then use to come back from the middle to the bottom flat part (i.e. build the top and bottom part of the turn around symmetrically). If you want the track turn around to be asymmetrical (for example to get the shape that Scrapman was going for) you can additionally throw in segments at 60°. But that's pretty much it. So either you have to constrain your shape to those requirements, or you have to build the tracks at those 60° angles and then deform them into the shape you want with the tensioners (which risks them falling off while you spawn in).

[@0bsidianPrime]

@@Pystro I understand the meticulousness, but I don't think it's as big an issue as you think it is. Especially with what can be found in the workshop.

[@Pystro]

@@0bsidianPrime My point was that you have to know how to achieve it. If you just try random things it almost certainly won't line up. And to know how to make it line up you have to know your trigonometry (or at least your geometry).

[@0bsidianPrime]

@@Pystro I wasn't aware that high level of math was involved. Like, I often mess around in a Lego program called Digital Designer, and putting on tracks or chain for a chainsaw on the wheels is a similar experiance, but literally all I do, get the general position, then begin making minor adjustments until I get what I'm going for. Length does have a part to play, but in Iod it's not really a thing to worry about compared to Digital Designer because of the tensioners.

[@patrickhector]

the top wheels are supposed to be idlers, aren't they? You can't guarantee that they'll rotate at a speed proportionally faster to the bottom ones anyway, since they'll have to spin twice as fast if they have half the circumference and there's such little load on them anyway that they'll probably spin faster regardless.

[@CrackedO]

I love you vids I've been watching since 2017

[@mr.weerdios8500]

The unexpected track joke honestly got me lol

[@DreadEnder]

Don’t worry about the flex beam section of track, real tanks have a split for easy repair

[@stutterpunk9573]

Love your vids I've been watching since 1973!!

[@Yurigamour855]

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[@s.bgaming6134]

youtube did not exist then

[@s.bgaming6134]

fakers be like...

[@19future91]

@@s.bgaming6134 scrapman didn't exist too

[@gooseturtle219]

me from since 2020

[@st4r658]

In the words of Nicholas Moran, aka the Chieftain: a Track tensioning system!

[@derpslayer6923]

Thanks for this video! It gave the inspiration to make my own working tank tracks in trailmakers, moving the wheel to tension the tracks is what made it possible, only goes three miles per hour though…

[@ledocteur7701]

building tip for future builds, for the issue you had with the tracks not lining up creating that tiny gap, if you place a small beam you can contract it (using the expand function) to make it even smaller, just the right size to fit in that gap.

[@MiscSocialDistance]

I have no clue if anyone has suggested this yet, but with the tank treads, you could make something like a string launcher.

[@Martysama11]

Wow, did not expect it to be that good

[@elnogal9298]

I'd love to see a medieval trebuchet with the use of the new attacher piece or magnets.

[@thefaulnt3562]

Yeah and the game has great collision and destruction physics so this would be realistic.

[@tushar6911]

15:25 I Thought scrapman was gonna go like " DELAYYYED ANNIHILATION "

[@karyjas1]

0:45 Its called tonk, thank you very much

[@thegamingentity8460]

15:25 I was half expecting and half hoping he would say DELAYED ANNIHILATION

[@st33ldi9ital]

Yesss, I was hoping you'd revisit this.. Awesome tank!

[@dumvoid4967]

When you hit that shot into the tower you accidentally pulled a Saving Private Ryan lol

[@uattias]

Man that tank looks awsome!

[@watchvideosok7441]

MAZ-7907 you should do it. It has 24 wheels and 24 wheel drive and 20 wheel steering

[@chettiarsirusraj9501]

You should give this tank a try in water and see can it stay above the water while moving on it may require a few thrusters but try without them at first.

[@ThatDomGuy]

Awesome dude! Nice job:)

[@bubblepop5611]

OH NO! HE HAS THE HIGH GROUND

[@boborb8960]

um why is this guy so fun to watch?

[@Snarfyy]

Turning while the tracks are spinning that fast would de-track most tanks. Neutral steering was a slow affair

[@st4r658]

True, he should use the neutral steering technique of dividing the turns into small straights

[@suicidalbanananana]

Nice looking tank!!! i wonder what would happen if u remove the round bits again though, i feel like your framerate was much better before you added them, and you changed wheel size & layout after that, meaning they might (hopefully?) be redundant now :)

[@lilyoftheflame]

3:21 How did you move it slightly? I didn't know it was possible.

[@scrap5407]

Build a massive bulldozer using the tracks, That would be really satisfying in this game

[@maigoljimjim3366]

Are you going to make a new scrap mechanic survival series?

[@elnogal9298]

There's a new update with new structures and better demolition, can't wait for you to check it out (I ended up buying the game because of you but sadly my crafting level is underwhelming xD)

[@leekt2228]

I like these experimentation videos you occasionally do a lot

[@sinceresoldier]

You should definitely upload this one to the workshop

[@jacksonlee6760]

What if you build a scale model of the Ratte tank? Great job on this tank btw

[@Hellturbo81]

now with the system of the Chaintracks, you could build a sort of Chainsaw? A giant Chainsaw one^^

[@Hadeks_Marow]

I wanna see mechanical engineering in this game. I'm talking gears. Clockwork. Mechanical engines from a single point of force powering the full thing.

[@chrisball7335]

Gravity powered wall climbing spined Tank tracks with an escalator mode 😁

[@okami196]

He built a tank and a boat Now all we need is a plain :)

[@jocosesonata]

You basically created a tank the size of a building. Imagine seeing that in real life.

[@patrickhector]

Ratte time

[@DistantWaterFarms]

Day 39 of putting a comment to hopefully answer some questions about the music names. Questions about the music go here. (Basically ask for some of the music names (please put a timestamp or something) and i'll see if i can answer.) If you want to know more about the music he uses, check my channel for the "Music that ScrapMan Uses" Playlist. It has over 100 tracks and is currently still growing.

[@naofuminorikiya2527]

30 more days man.

[@DistantWaterFarms]

@@naofuminorikiya2527 Man everyone pays attention to 69 and 68 but no one pays attention to 70

[@BLKBRDSR71]

Tanks for the video. 😁

[@harlyquin]

what about using thee large wheels in the top corners to decrease the sharp angle of the tracks, it should cut down on the collisions

[@TheVerySleepyCalmGuy]

Can you Build a Wedge tank?

[@thepenguin9807]

You know what would be cool? A giant mono wheel using tracks

[@axogaming8197]

now you gotta make a physical saw or chainsaw type machine XD

[@technicbuilder6410]

1 month and 13 days of asking ScrapMan for building an ekranoplan.

[@chromeman14]

Heres an idea to give the tank more traction, not that it needs it, but if there are detectors or sensors, or if they get added, use the claw things with the detector things if they get added to activate the claws. It may make a spider tank though-

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

cuz yes

[@z4clewis]

Hi persun

[@Hlebuw3k]

tank tracks are actually supposed to be a little bit loose, but only a bit

[@nighpaw4651]

You should give the tracks a liiittle bit more slack, and then just use more tension, it'll give more control over how much slack you can have

[@Zequax]

LOVE HOW SCRAPMAN BUILD UPSIDE DOWN TANKS TRACKS normaly the lover wheels are small and the end ones the ones giving power to the tracks are the big ones

[@patrickhector]

Man who doesn't understand tank treads tries to build tank treads for the dozenth time

[@257theNoob]

I wonder if the track concept could be used to build a makeshift chainsaw

[@braydenrobert6358]

Hi

[@limonlx7182]

Helloo!!

[@naofuminorikiya2527]

Hi

[@eggiest664]

hi

[@uattias]

Hi.

[@princedivider5760]

Hi!

[@MrMattkid]

I feel like you could take a swing at a boat. The game isn't really made for it but the balloons might be just enough to make it work.

[@Pasloooo]

i think the upside of tracks needs to hit on top of wheels so i would remove all those small wheels and make 1 tension spot in middle build inside the track system so it won't hit tracks. no clue does it work, but i think worth a try Build piston between two big wheels so the 1 tension spot so it would point straight up and can't bend in sides? :D And those upper wheels could be just free floating rollers if possible i don't know how this game works lol

[@tyfort8789]

You should make a monster truck with a laser that sticks over the cab that can turn and move up and down in the trunk so it would kind of be on a bipod

[@mmahtzerotwo2886]

have u play crossout?

[@Neko.Corvus]

I love this game for this

[@Zack-eb1gq]

0:00 start 18:56 end

[@gl4zn]

wow thank you very useful

[@19future91]

easter egg: kzbin.info/www/bejne/moLaZapvjMyLmbM

[@thealicemonster9217]

After expanding the top wheels you probably don't need the caps. That should help performance and give you a lot of blocks back.

[@Firewalk368]

You could put the bottom wheels on individual bars that spin freely on a hinge, as to simulate tank suspension, so that you can more smoothly cross rough terrain.

[@matthewtonak6939]

Do you save your creations to the workshop?

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

17:38 he looked 💀

[@god5250]

You should try building a realistic chainsaw using this concept

[@Thedumbandonly]

Think about how big that tank would Be irl

[@jeffreydrummond9082]

Have you heard of plane crazy on Roblox try and play the game it’s kind of like trailmakers scrap mechanic it’s cool motor locking is cool too

[@jeffreydrummond9082]

Also I have a tank I’m working on maybe a showcase

[@jeffreydrummond9082]

The rail gun is painfully hard to make

[@nikkosstorychannel]

Now, can you make a plane in this game?

[@shinobi6497]

Make a sphere of angled magnets so that it will rotate everything around it

[@yuanxinwang8219]

this is more of a SPG more than anything, my guess is that it is a shortened m60 chassis with a mounted 150mm howitzer

[@jeimasuta_v598]

Guys I think scrapman forgot all about delaid inayulation

[@THEREALXB]

Yes another video

[@Richardomann]

Add laser aiming... pls :D

[@ande5027]

In trail makers on the workshop could you look at some planes?

[@elementking2086]

Maybe you could try making a stealth bomber

[@Myvi0]

Make a chainsaw using this system. Seems like a fun and laggy way to destroy buildings

[@SonOfmowgef]

Could you not adapt this track concept into a giant chainsaw?

[@Aucks_1]

replace the tracks with wheels, but put a vertical track on the front of the machine with saw blades on them, and eat away at buildings.

[@H.O.Scalemodeler4501]

At 15:30 there was some D E L A Y E D A N N I H I L A T I O N !!!

[@hfpewe7872]

maybe put extra blocks on the outside of the tracks so it gets more grip

[@williamcalhoun2394]

Something about watching towers fall

[@Mostafa-vs8bd]

Hi Please add suspention Tanks have suspention not solid wheel And tank not have all powered wheel Just one or two in corners have power and other wheel just for weight distribution and guiding track And suspention are very satisfying to watch And turn on strong building when you go over wall May be it will work

[@keadysavery]

You need to put suspension on the bottom wheels if you want to be able to climb properly

[@MCZGStudio]

that turret reminds me ricochet in Tanki Online and Tanki X

[@ju-yuanchueh8444]

15:24 "delayed response" :(

[@Arraihan_P.H.S]

Yay 2nd

[@sverige7586]

No

[@Arraihan_P.H.S]

@@sverige7586 ?

[@VortexX87]

Make a pogo stick in this game

[@turtleo4732]

Tank treads are so cool. Why cant we just put them on every vehicle?

[@taylorwoodgyer5507]

i have a question when was the last time you went outside?