Putting Others First - Selfishness v. Selflessness Redux | Sanders Sides

[@Moongirl12121]

“You’re not stuck with an evil snake boy,” *dramatic pose* “You’re just stuck with a snake boy.”

[@nmquestionmarkm1781]

wholesome snek boiii 🤘

[@chaoticmushroomchildren6936]

That just made me love him even more!!

[@nmquestionmarkm1781]

@@chaoticmushroomchildren6936 yeee 🤘😄🤣

[@thelittleprince7072]

and that precious smile

[@nmquestionmarkm1781]

@@thelittleprince7072 shhHHHHH- IM GONNA START FANGIRLING AGAIN- 🤣🤣🤣

[@starcat4814]

The sides just look at each other and think: each of you is an idiot, but I'm a horrible person, so what are we gonna do?

[@nerdywolverine8640]

O u c h

[@caffeinemilk]

I mean, you’re not wrong

[@abrielleelysee7991]

That's pretty much it.

[@maddy7101]

I feel like at the end though, they all just felt really bad and they just wanted to like each other again.

[@viiravos]

accurate af :,)

[@joshuahuvenaars9021]

Decades from now, people are going to analyze the great philosopher Thomas Sanders and be so amazed and confused why he is the same persons talking to himself in a bunch of different outfits. Truly the Plato of our time.

[@julien4305]

Philosophers are always exotic beings Thomas fits in very well

[@OfficialButtKissers]

True 😂😂

[@MisterDeplume]

He's like the modern Mr. Rogers, just for more mature audiences

[@threelayerbeefybeanburrito872]

Did anyone notice how the two sides that were missing (Remus and Virgil) were the two sides that actually played a really large role in this episode? The anxiety over having to pick between yourself and others, as well as guilt, and the dark creativity needed to imagine those train car scenarios

[@galaxyweirdo1018]

This comment sounds so smart

[@Sarah-vv6in]

My theory is that whenever the other sides aren’t “physically there”, Thomas actually embodies their personality and role. It’s not full proof because of the anxiety 2 parter but in the moving on 2 parter Logan said that he wasn’t an emotion and couldn’t really duck 🦆 out. And of course Thomas actually said “falsehood”. So Thomas feeling anxious and imagining that dark situation makes complete sense to me cause they are part of him after all. Does that make sense? lol

[@fallenpaint4494]

i can just see the two watching the show, and when janus came into scene virgil said 'Now i think its time to dial down, i feel like making the snake cry would be to far' and remus just makes roman go off

[@racccooonzzz]

LITERALLY THOUGHT THAT

[@IguessImhere223]

@@Sarah-vv6in Quack

[@oliverwills3556]

Roman: When is it enough? Janus: .... Trees? A whole ass mood

[@jswails25]

Trinity Erin lol

[@whitehouse6529]

y e s

[@aggie5668]

Tree though

[@Maya-qs6nv]

Lol

[@jessicasteen6221]

I can't stop laughing

[@Greasyyyhair]

Roman: "I'm not going outside" Gosh Roman is so ahead of his time.

[@sydguy6739]

Too soon. Jkjk 😂

[@mackenzie8703]

Truuueee

[@juelzbanks360]

Too soo

[@GoldenG0dc0meth]

No..sounds like me ;-;

[@elija-ray3008]

Roman: "I'm not going outside" Any anime weeb that has a series to catch up on: "Me neither bro"

[@acornjames6101]

"youre not stuck with an evil snake boi... youre just stuck with a snake boi" yaaas, i love him!!!

[@JW36363]

HES A SASSY SNAKE BOI

[@iz_thefizz8688]

Same !!!! He my favorite character!

[@EthanN-jj1uy]

@@iz_thefizz8688 wooo!

[@gachacookiecatgurllel7182]

*claps* he finally admitted to being a snek🐍🐍🐍

[@footsi35]

I love the little shimmy he did!!! It was great

[@EliasMorals]

God, Janus is written so well in this episode He plays the devil's advocate for all the arguments but never actively steers thomas wrong. He has good arguments without needing to quote, and he's kind of like a compliment to Logan.

[@Unidentified952]

Yeah!

[@bee_the_fox_]

Actually, the "compliment" is extremely accurate due to the fact that blue and yellow are invertered colors, which compliment each other! You invert blue, you get yellow and vice-versa! You are one smart cookie!

[@lukeroberson2115]

Janus is the compliment to Patton, the same way Remus is a compliment to Roman. My personal belief is the upcoming orange side will be Logan's foil.

[@AeonKnigh432]

In a way, Janus is an opposite to both Logan and Patton. They're three sides of a coin. Or something. Anyway, if Patton is morality and Logan is Logic, Janus isn't REALLY deceit. He's desire. Sometimes you do what you do because it makes sense, sometimes you do it because it's right, and sometimes you do it because it's what makes you happiest. And that's okay, but the reason Janus becomes a problem is because Thomas (the character) is an imperfect communicator and he would rather lie to avoid confrontation than tell the truth and admit to others that he's being selfish.

[@MuffinMisfit]

I think Janice genuinely likes Logan and is willing to work with him to bring some peace to dilemmas but did u see how he reacted when Roman laughed at his name he lashed out because it actually hurt him sometimes he can be an ass but I don't think he is actively trying to hurt Thomas he wants to help in the only way he knows how

[@bi_beans9011]

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE HIS NAME IS JANUS JANUS IS THE GOD OF CHOICES AND IS LITERALLY TWOFACED

[@dualitysDownfall]

the galaxy-brain naming in this series....

[@pikaphin3335]

Ohmygosh that is brilliant, thank you for telling us!!

[@greg4lifers145]

oh my g o d .

[@esora2476]

AND HIS LOGO HAS TWO HEADS ITS SUCH A GOOD NAME IM SCREAMING

[@starsnatcher4659]

I FORGOOTT THATS SO SMART

[@lenaschubert5533]

„You need to unlearn that selfish is a dirty word“ LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@not-so-happypappypatton]

PREACH

[@blaze5126]

I mean really, If people weren't selfish than they wouldn't be human, it's one of the things that makes people, people. They gotta get that info in their brains

[@Cinnaschticks]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@aetheryourfriend4001]

i need to unlearn that

[@smolamericanbean9120]

LOUDER FOR ME CAUSE IM DEAF AF AND IGNORANT AF

[@bilsonator4325]

I’d like to think Virgil was hiding in his room because he’s trying to think of how to talk to Thomas and the others about him being a past “dark side” and this episode was to show that not everything was black and white so showing deceit in a new “light” gave way to how old concepts aren’t always the best concepts.

[@catbatrat1760]

"so showing deceit in a new “light” gave way to how old concepts aren’t always the best concepts." Janus did say that the moral ideals Thomas grew up with were only hurting him...

[@Anthein3D]

Yeah that's probably true

[@SJ-ch6yv]

I forgot about that! Good theory!

[@SomebodyUnamed]

Oh yeah, now I feel so bad... oh noooo...

[@latoyabrown7505]

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT (about Virgil)

[@greenbean6547]

Virgil: has a redemption ark Janus: is honestly trying to help Thomas Remus: eating deodorant in the background

[@vendedordecanela]

Honestly i prefer the dark sides

[@foxle_]

Now let’s see what happens when orange is revealed

[@TNBC_Lover]

I want to like, but I don't want to ruin the 666- so take this as a like-

[@Lunarwolf57272]

31:48 deceit vs lillypatton FIGHT!

[@Zipper_cookie]

Wait, who is Janus again?

[@maddiegoins2186]

Next Time on Sander Sides: Virgil: hey everybo- WHAT IS HE DOING HERE Janus: 👁👄👁

[@heya5010]

WHERE'S MEH POPS?!

[@stranguhh2878]

All of Virgil's nicknames ever given to him: 1. Dark stormy knight 2. Creepy cookie 3 .Brad pitiful 4. Worry wart 5. Friendo 6. Panic at the everywhere 7. Jack smellington 8. Incredible sulk 9. Charlie frown 10. Virge 11. Robert downy junior 12. Shadowy but angelic song bird 13. Kamlia the chicken 14. Vomity central 15. A mean one 16. Kylo friends 17. Bat winged cherob 18. One angry man over there 19. Perp man 20.Sunshine 21. Emo 22. Emo nightmare 23. Hot topic 24. Wet blanket 25. Chemically unbalanced romance 26. Negitave Nancy 27. Jason toddler 28. Jerky mcjerk face 29. Supreme dark overlord of negitave comers 30. Sirly temple 31. J Delightful 32. Dr gloom 33. Fairest of them all 34.Count woaloft 35.Marilyn Monrose 36. Sweet and sour misunderstood shadowling 37. Poor little anxious baby 38. Gerard gay 39. Tiger 40. Bird brain There's a lot😂 Also most of these are from Roman which I love😂 edit: I added the last ones because of the newest sander sides video!

[@carlamuffin]

@@stranguhh2878 Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[@hadrianw_]

@@stranguhh2878 oh my goodness did you put this in every comment? All of the comments (that I've read so far) that have a bunch of replies have this added to them lmao that is commitment!

[@not-so-happypappypatton]

Roman: I have no fucking clue.

[@jocelynnmoquin2535]

When Thomas did his first vine dressing as a dad I wonder if he ever thought that character would become a animated frog final boss having a moral crisis

[@imadoor2205]

Lol would you 🤣

[@cobalt_bold]

He knew it all along!~

[@ZuMii_Idled]

It's 1:14 AM and I'm holding myself back.

[@opie1kenop134]

😂😂

[@userr_paradoxx]

Isabella Madore I totally would think about it if I did XD

[@jennymathews4292]

Patton reigning himself in so he isn’t too harsh and overbearing is both sad yet great character development

[@offbrandeverything4104]

Jenny Mathews everyone’s characters development is amazing Thomas is such a creative and talented person

[@el.the.mushroom.gal.]

Joan and Talyn are also responsible for the amazing storyline behind these videos. Also, what about Deciet(or Janice) and Roman! That character work is just 👌

[@imgabiireyes]

Jenny Mathews exactly.

[@spideyspinn]

@@el.the.mushroom.gal. Janis

[@mysterymaiden4795]

I feel so bad for him he’s trying so hard yet it just not enough so he breaks down and I hope it gets better.

[@KK-bb5ln]

I noticed this watch that when Logan pops up again, Janus has a little "oh sh*t" moment-but after that, as Logan speaks, he sort of leans in, looking genuinely interested. Whether he's playing it up to make Logan feel better or if he's just actually interested, I think it's sweet how intently he's listening to Logan's info, especially given how insecure Logan's acting about it lately.

[@elizakitty6579]

Aww that is sweet. Thanks for pointing that out!! I hadn't noticed that before Also I think it's interesting that the "light" sides listen more to Logan when the "dark" sides are involved. Especially with the color wheel theory and the foreboding orange eyes that Logan has in the latest Asides episode, hinting at "the orange side" and that, in theory, orange would be considered a "dark" side

[@alexinwonderland5782]

yeah i also feel like he was getting frustrated that no one was listening to “logan” of all people. when deceit was disguised as logan you could tell he was getting annoyed. i feel like logan lowkey might be his favorite

[@naan000]

as much as deceit seems to enjoy toying with the sides and slightly pissing them off, he does seem to have an appreciation for logan and his logical ways

[@kaelin_cherise]

@@naan000 I saw another comment that pointed this out: Deceit is not just lying. To deceive, you must know the truth to veer someone away from it. Deceit even as himself talks a lot like Logan because he needs the logic and information to make his arguments or to twist the facts in his favor.

[@Thatonenerd88]

He hides his face and then is just like “Heyyyyyyyyy man how ya doin?” It’s Dutch an awkward and subtle gesture and it has me in tears😂

[@samhague4213]

When Roman makes fun of Janus' name, you can just see how hurt he was by it, and unlike Virgil, he didn't have anyone stick up for him, Janus has to stick up for himself

[@funkysquig]

Oh no, Janus!! I’ll accept you!

[@CPete711]

I legit started crying at that part😭😭

[@barbiecentral]

it made me so sad seeing him visibly hurt, and when no one said anything about it, like PATTON DIDN'T EVEN MAKE A DISAPPROVING FACE COME ON

[@phoenixablaze649]

Our poor snake boi 😭

[@remusthethrashman]

Le Rat Man we all accept him and by all I mean all us dark sides.... *****! I’ve said too much

[@mirandadalgetty6441]

Janus is the embodiment of the “we should overthrow the government, just kidding. Unless?”

[@danielleisaacs6237]

A mood.

[@calimorale9880]

XD

[@MK-jw9xk]

Richy Gaming I don’t agree, I don’t believe in the Good sides Bad sides because that is a concept that Roman came up with. Understanding what Roman and Remus came through it makes sense that Roman would have a strong sense of right and wrong. Roman has ALOT of problems that NO sanders sides episode has touched, this is happening for a reason. I think that the next season will be unraveling Roman and Remus getting accepted by Roman. This will be EPIC

[@taylorhives9588]

Michal Korn 👀👀👀👀

[@H0RR0R_CR0W]

That would be amazing!!!

[@flora._.8789]

Remus: This guy’s deceit in disguise! Everyone: No..........??? The next sander sides episode: *are you sure about that*

[@not-so-happypappypatton]

FORESHADOWING-

[@cerysb1704]

Oml yasssssssssss

[@redballoon9007]

AHHHHHH-

[@joeymanus2138]

I wish that happens

[@lisa101561]

Oh my - HOL' UP A DIDDLY DARN MINUTE

[@PlagueMoo]

Did you know snakes are colorblind? So the line where janus says if remus didnt have a mustache he wouldn't be able to tell whos the evil twin might be true for him.

[@claireaquos6532]

Oh 🤔

[@purposehearts190]

It also explains the red/blue shirt thing from a few episodes back cause the shirt was gray.

[@PlagueMoo]

@@purposehearts190 oh yeah!

[@percyjackson4709]

@@purposehearts190 i mean, it had red and blue on it sooo

[@markyboi9354]

Noooooooooooooooooo (Is it a Pokémon reference or a just a pun you thought of and thought wuz funny)

[@brookedevonshire9688]

“This is Sanders Sides, not Odom Sides. Ahem, I’m not threatened at all.” Thomas, you outdid yourself

[@FlowerPetals12]

I wanna like but its at 666 likes

[@SimWings]

Yes

[@Modernwoman-cy6dc]

Yavier Xman quadrupled now

[@itsiona20]

@@FlowerPetals12 what does that mean ;w;

[@honeybeetmr9398]

two episodes ago: Roman is like the kids filter Roman: starts swearing Me: suspicious

[@KingFlame-dh8rs]

The Midnight River 2 episodes?

[@shelbyteague7928]

My head canon is that Roman represents the part of creativity generally considered acceptable by Thomas. Since Remus’s introduction and acknowledgement, there’s been a bit more acceptance of distasteful thoughts by Thomas, thus making Roman occupy part of that gray area between what is and isn’t appropriate (like swearing)

[@Catathyst]

@@KingFlame-dh8rs dealing with intrusive thoughts, are there healthy distractions

[@jannikschmidt8511]

@@shelbyteague7928 I wouldn't say acceptance, but rather tolerance.

[@layamoon8505]

When did he cuss I missed that

[@laurens_hamilton_3865]

Deceit: *rants about mental health care* Me: *“We Stan a mental health advocate”*

[@FayePhoenix13]

YASSS

[@WinterPains]

We stan a snake boi.

[@siblingno.2542]

Amen

[@JJTR_Arcy]

*obvious evil laugh*

[@caraclipse-1437]

We Stan a Mental Health snek advocate-

[@shelby5736]

The absolute flex of having Leslie Odom Jr in your video but only giving him a few seconds of screen time

[@MasterMagikarp]

Chad move right there.

[@sadie6094]

"just your typical tuesday." -Thomas Sanders

[@boomgirlbucko]

I mean Thomas is definitely more popular than him soooo

[@theboogeyman2590]

Janus going back to the mind palace be like: Janus: Virgil, I get why you didn’t want to share your name now. Virgil: so he laughed at yours too? Janus: **makes ‘duh’ face**

[@charsiupau20]

Poor boys

[@malixnant]

Shadow Monster In Your Closet it rly be like that doe

[@Destroyer-mm9rl]

omg yes 😂😂

[@emi2664]

aw :,)(

[@Frostag17]

Cute

[@wolftango6084]

May i gently remind- "It's not like I'm trying to look out for Thomas or anything"-Deciet/Janus

[@josieburks9049]

I was thinking of "I don't want Thomas to be punished in a world where you can die for breaking the rules." LIKE HE'S A SNEK BOI NOT AN EVIL SNEK BOI

[@g.g.7730]

Lmao he's a tsundere confirmed

[@logansanders9307]

@@g.g.7730 XD

[@bluownbutterfly]

LEGIT THOOOOO

[@Thecrowsnesttrinkets]

Patton: “Janus?” Janus: “I’ll take care of him” Me: *cries*

[@Mars-io9wl]

That scene honestly confuses me because I can’t tell who he is going to go to. Like Patton said he was going to go and help Roman (I think-) so he isn’t going down to say anything to Roman. So who exactly is he going to..?

[@not-so-happypappypatton]

Isabellla LaRocca I think Thomas.

[@robertpongrac8837]

WHERES PATTON GOING

[@Mars-io9wl]

SlimySnekBoi ÙWÚ OOH! OKAY! Thank you! It makes so much more sense thank you so much!

[@Intrusivemov]

Robert Pongrac I’m p sure he’s gonna go Check on roman

[@Vi_Vi_1]

I adore how Janus starts out feeling like a villain but is revealed to actually have Thomas' best interests at heart, because it's so real. Lying feels inherently evil (and can be very toxic, certainly), but usually it just stems from the desire to protect oneself. It's one of the biggest reasons victims of abuse learn to lie: they NEED to in order to keep themselves safe, and once they've escaped, realizing you don't have to lie to protect yourself anymore is so alien it can be hard to grasp.

[@anniplenge1200]

Virgil after he finds out that Thomas and Patton accepted Janus: What the gosh darn diddly dang f*ck happened while I was playing Just Dance?

[@arbsallaku6478]

Im imagining virgil in michel jackson clothes doing the moonwalk and seing patton janus and thomas talking and being like:IM NOT BRAVE ENOUGH FOR DIS and sturts runinig

[@solarcypherz]

BEST COMMENT BY FAR

[@dabuff1319]

I think logan was busy keeping him from self destructing from all the anxiety.

[@tristana1660]

Took them a whole episode to accept Virgil and not even ten minutes for Janus

[@mickycoetzee1385]

Why Just Dance though xD

[@retcho212]

Watching Janus’s hurt expressions when Roman called him evil hurt me, it made me cry. Janus is the Roman god of passages, gates and doors. He was often depicted with two faces. Deceit has two faces. Deceit/Janus is doing his best to protect and guide.

[@idontwanttotellyou2554]

Oh neat to know! I was confused bc I thought it was "Janice" like from the good place. I just thought "how does that apply here?"

[@scapegoatcomics6168]

Yeah, Janus has found an element of acceptance where his function is seen as valid and as a show of good faith he reveals his name...and Roman laughs, but unlike with Virgil revealing his name it's not funny or played as such. This time Roman has gone too far, and everyone makes sure he knows it. And just like that this moral absolutism he was clinging onto just got punched in the face

[@nobinary2296]

I liked Deceit the moment he was introduced. I too know Roman mythology. But what I thought about was how deceit isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can often be used to protect yourself. Like in the Court room episode. He was deceiving Thomas at first, but only for Thomas's own best interests. Deceit can be your own body protecting you, mentally and/or physically. Convincing yourself you did the right thing or lying to get out of a bad/potentially dangerous situation. I also wonder how long he's been there? Like for all we know he could have been a part of every episode. I also see bits of Logan and Patton in him. He isn't just Patton's other more adult moral side. He also gathers facts and information to make well informed arguments, unlike Patton, but more like Logan. He can also play a bit into Virgil's paranoia. Because whatever Thomas is worried about makes Deceit come out of the woodworks to better protect Thomas as he is also Thomas's biggest protector. I don't think Virgil or any of the others sees the amount of respect Deceit has for them as a whole. I mean, Roman doesn't count, because he's being a bit of a bully. But I think Janus was being genuine when he said he admired Roman's selfless act, sacrificing his own needs, and sentencing Thomas to the wedding. Though he didn't like being seen as a softie so he covered it up with a lie at the end that ended up sparking an argument between him and Roman. I think we're going to Roman's room soon. Roman is showing a lot of doubts, insecurities that he was clearly showing through out the video, and the last few minutes might have seemed like a betrayal to him. Making him step out in a way similar to how Virgil did. It will then be him and Janus reconciling because he never meant to genuinely hurt him. You can see him back pedal when he thinks he's gone too far, especially with Patton. He even defends Patton in their battle. That's my theory at least.

[@retcho212]

I don't want to tell you I mean it could’ve been Janice and not Janus and Mr.Sanders is just having a good laugh

[@lollipop-nt8lx]

When Patton is grabbing Lee and Mary Lee from his inventory you can see that he also has 2 cookies. Guess he was feeling dangerous that day.

[@echo_va]

Did you notice that inventory is from Stardew Valley? No? Just me then ;-;

[@kj_ocho]

5. . . Second. . . Cookies

[@quigly5058]

Hes a danger boi

[@LovelyGhostz]

OMG YAS

[@khushik3899]

there are also a bunch of references to patton-cake

[@mushroomhat6030]

Roman: "Well when is it enough??" *Dramatic music plays* Janus: ". . . . . Trees . . ?" *more dramatic music plays*

[@PDragonBabyUO]

🤣🤣🤣

[@coyotix]

it's giving that one scene in working through intrusive thoughts with the hot dog

[@authenticasra]

“Those baby making Catholics.” I’m dying

[@mariagl2517]

I was like "ok Christian :v " it was so funny XD

[@bananacow9667]

Honestly though. My great-grandparents who were veryy very Catholic, had 14 kids. My parents, who are also Catholic, had 8 kids.

[@bluemoon2384]

And my parents, who is ALSO Catholic had 1 child. Me.

[@The_powerful_one]

My parents are catholic and I'm the second of 8.

[@iam2.052]

I WAS gonna say I disagree cuz my mums a catholic and she only had 3 children. However My dads not religious so i guess that evens it out. And then I remembered how many aunts and uncles I have on my mums all-Catholic side of the family and...well... Let’s just say now I agree

[@siena.mp3]

roman: WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO HELP THOMAS? janus: *BECAUSE IM ONE OF THE IDIOTS WHO LIVES IN HIM*

[@whitejadin7157]

Lmao gotg meme

[@Themtaters618]

K

[@quigly5058]

Lmaooooo thats something he would say tho

[@LovelyGhostz]

Yo like-

[@Roman_Luke]

Why does that sound like it’s canon!?!

[@muppetenthusiast]

This series 1st episode: Thomas sharing more about himself and giving small life lessons Now: full narrative with major character development each episode

[@CharmingMiraChan]

My point

[@not-so-happypappypatton]

*character development*

[@mirora2212]

@L. New i know Right I’m so happy it’s so long

[@midnights2631]

Wonderful story telling

[@ohchristine22]

It's because a few episodes in, Joan was made the lead writer and director. They looked at this series and went, "what if these characters weren't just figments of Thomas's imagination but rather like, actual people? like with a backstory?" And in the course of a few episodes, we got names, Virgil's backstory, new costumes, and the introduction of the Dark Sides.

[@lightningqueen1145]

Ok I JUST noticed the nod from deceit at 42:04 trying to tell Roman that Thomas is telling the truth, but because Roman doesn't trust him, he interprets it as a sign of Thomas lying.

[@luvvkitt3ns499]

*everyone talking/arguing for one hour* *Remus and Virgil in mind scape playing just dance*

[@pip_a_doodle2175]

Or cards against humanity xD

[@luvvkitt3ns499]

@@pip_a_doodle2175 _y e s_ 😂 Edit: that would be probably Remus's idea 😂

[@SakuWasHereFirst]

*Caring Ocean* they were probably playing both

[@bonesindecember]

Actually that probably is what they are doing.

[@blazing2585]

@@pip_a_doodle2175 I'm just imagineing them in a corner of the mindscape playing because Virgil got board and Remus showed up

[@coolguyfandom]

You can tell Thomas has been getting more comfortable with some topics with us, the religion jokes, swears, he wouldn't do this before, but uh these ideas are AWESOME, the 8-bit songs, the graphics that are everywhere now, and call backs, I would never complain

[@neon.pink.productions]

Same, totally agree.

[@melodytheatre2887]

“Not that any of you care, but I am unharmed.” *OUCH*

[@seven-cats-3]

yup

[@huhimhere170]

THAT HURT

[@jessgibbings4169]

Mood

[@isabellajgz]

I KNOW my boy did not get the respect he deserves this episode

[@MoonchildDontCry]

When Patton pushed Logan's button (skip all) after telling Roman not to 😭😭

[@liamatlas]

i feel like romans worst nightmare is being like his brother, and then cut him really deep. also he took janus’ little nod as a “hes lying” instead of a “hes telling the truth” and thats why he freaked out. he also fears abandonment/people not liking him and therefore through a tantrum. god i love lore

[@KrisRN23935]

I mean I would fear that too if my Twin was exiled.

[@rosesareredvioletsblue5438]

Janus: **raises hand to show that he's telling the truth** Me, an idiot: wait is his name written on his hand

[@ayleth891]

Same

[@cottonhead7166]

Omg I thought the same thing to XD

[@shadowdragon2122]

Same xD

[@clytieapollo]

😁 part of the squad too 🙋

[@impiish5414]

Hand reveal squad

[@tylajoanne2453]

After Roman leaves- I’m just imagining him and Virgil hiding out like under the bed watching The Nightmare Before Christmas and avoiding everyone.

[@pauliner9444]

That's actually so cute omg-

[@thatuzikinnie6077]

*why is that so cute.* I don't even support the ship alot but that sounds adorable :0

[@RoseIsPlaysGames]

Princexeity everybody! (I hope I spelled it right) And I thought more like he went and hidden in his room "locking" it and hides under something sothat IF somebody came he is hidden or "gone"

[@marquis911]

6 feet apart because they're cautious.

[@reese8659]

Omg that’s adorable

[@HadesTheBeloved]

Fanders: * make angsty aus, and story's * Thomas: * makes angst * Fanders: ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[@he.said.teenjiejer]

I saw a tiktok about that today lol

[@xorbsdl]

theres so many angsty tik toks-

[@whilenya4714]

37:07 to 37:09. Just… Janus' _face,_ realizing Logan isn't here to shut him down and kick him out like nearing the end of SvS, but is actually in a roundabout way _validating what Janus himself said._ This is precious and hindsight is 20/20.

[@PDragonBabyUO]

YES

[@Fynchfire]

yeah

[@mousestar369]

Just went back to take a second look at that. There is excitement in that expression. He smiles. He's been validated for what could be the first time in a very long time (possibly most of Thomas's life)

[@chiaria8218]

Nobody: Absolutely nobody: Roman, 2 days later: "Lol, Janus.."

[@tristana1660]

Roman 5 years later: "what a stupid name..... Janus..... Lol"

[@chiaria8218]

@Hannah Potter Yes or like a short video 😂

[@wrensrunes6775]

This is me and morality hates me for it

[@ejonesactor]

HOW IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT LESLIE WAS JUST CHILLING LIKE WHAT

[@gracefizzle4827]

Im just Bumbee I WAS JUST ABOUT TO COMMENT THIS

[@Jayup]

Aaron burr... ...sir...

[@reganmatthews1193]

Alvin Is bored oh sure sir

[@farewellneverland]

Regan Matthews im alexander hamilton at your service sir.

[@invisibleghost3820]

Pink Lasagna I’ve been looking for you

[@KeisKias]

“Those baby making Catholics” - Roman 2020

[@isabellatheresemateo3961]

I dunno if I should feel offended 😂😂 or maybe asian catholics are different 😂

[@prismarinepoet]

@@isabellatheresemateo3961 probably. my (asian) catholic uncle's dad has like 10 silblings

[@kay-nc9lt]

My favorite quote from roman

[@TIHISTS]

@@kay-nc9lt Guess it's the Roman Catholic quote now?

[@earthrocker48]

DuckKingCinema I’m gonna end up as one of them. Send help and Deceit. He has so many arms. Imagine the hugs.

[@darkcadk]

I really like how when Janus wanted them to trust him, he gave them his name, just like when Virgil started trusting them he gave his name. I'm starting to feel like names are a big thing to the Dark Sides (Except Remus, but he's a special muffin)

[@darkcadk]

But if he isn't on his redemption arc yet, it may be simply for them to feel sympathy, because that's what Virgil did, so he's playing into their senses

[@yeseniasanchez2739]

To add on to this I think it's because they are treat the bad guy. Much like real life people hide and lack trust towards other if all their life they are made to believe to be a bad person. The on thing people can do in order to protect themselves is their identity and involvement.

[@Nettlebush2360]

Actually, I interpreted that as Remus already having some form of trust in them. He said he had no reason to lie to Thomas. But you aren’t wrong about him being a special muffin lol

[@darkestlight660]

@@darkcadk well, I don't personally think deceit is ever really a necessarily bad thing. I think *most* people would agree lying to the serial killer to help your friend isn't a moral evil. In my opinion it comes down to a mix of why and the potential outcome. Lying is a tool, you can use to harm others, or to try to help others That tool can easily corrupt however whenever we try to justify helping ourselves with the illusion of helping others, aka, a lot of times "I just want to spare their feelings" is, "I don't want to take responsibility". On the other hand, lying for yourself isn't necessarily bad- if people want to hurt you or others, that's an obvious example. But feeling uncomfortable and telling a small lie say, about not wanting to hang out with someone but you don't want to explain why so you say you feel sick- I wouldn't say that's evil either. It's nuanced and complicated, as most moral questions are

[@helloitsme472]

​@@darkcadksorry I know your comment is a year old but, respectfully, did you actually watch the video? like really watch it? Janus isn't really the embodiment of deceitfulness that we've been lead to think he is by this point in the narrative. it's more accurate to say that he the embodiment of selfishness, where Patton is the embodiment of selflessness i.e. this name of this episode AND the one that lead into this one; as we've learnt from this episode, selfishness is not inherently evil or wicked, it is NECESSARY for your own survival. I know the two are shipped together a lot, but Janus is, objectively, much lass harmful than Remus, and I think them being shipped together so much has given people the wrong idea about Janus as a character. This entire episode exists to justify why EVERYONE has the capacity to lie and be selfish. tl;dr Janus is not playing into everyone's sensitivities (when he speaks he is almost always being truthful) and is only trying to help Thomas in the way that he knows how: by placing Thomas first (Patton tries to keep him morally righteous, Logan gets him to be scheduled and think logically etc.)

[@imthetrashman8620]

“You’re just stuck with a snake boy!” Janus I would die for you in an instant you are so precious-

[@anxietyskittles8988]

My exact reaction. He must be protected. Precious little snek 🐍💛

[@Frostag17]

Exactly

[@gohst7860]

Literal baby, new best boy

[@vvi95a]

iM GLAD WE ALL AGREE

[@echomoon4693]

The danger noodle just needs some LOVE. We are here for Janus 🐍💛

[@lunastarseeker5288]

"you're not stuck with an evil snake boi." **smug grin** "You're stuck with *a* snake boi" - Janice, 2020

[@ThatGuy-zh7jl]

Allyson Moore Janus

[@PolynomialPandemic]

After the greek god of lies

[@kornflakez1405]

@@PolynomialPandemic Huh?

[@cckarissa14]

Lol

[@Jayup]

AdoniZylle 1261 yeah the way all the names tie together is amazing

[@febe1895]

Imagine Virgil coming out of his room to see roman having a breakdown, Logan sulking, and Janus and Patton talking to each other. like what the heck I was gone for and hour what happened????

[@andreamanning2207]

Omg yes XD

[@thebananashow6986]

I need to see that

[@ihavenoclueeither]

It was a mistake to read the comments during the video

[@genderfluid_insomniac7023]

Nora has no clue either i’m sorry and you are correct

[@C_0tter900]

I'm drawing that, thanks

[@apjtv2540]

I read a quote the other day that reminded me of this video: "Selfishness is not evil by nature. How could it be evil to love yourself?" Edit: And another thing, as I've just noticed. Roman was described by Logan as "welcome" creativity. In other words, he's creativity inspired by things like Disney, the family friendly stuff. So it's his very nature to see Janus as evil. His focus on Disney isn't an accident by Thomas. In most Disney films, the villains are pure evil and they don't redeem themselves. Janus started as a villain, so Roman will see him as such.

[@princessthyemis]

oooooo wow! i LOVE that quote. Very Janus-y!

[@KrisRN23935]

Roman seems to be the youngest side, too. He hasn't matured enough to see things that aren't black and white. In a way, he's still a child.

[@dinosaurk]

Roman (really upset): "When is it enough!?" Deceit: "......... trees?" That made me laugh SO HARD

[@cosmodusty]

Danny Keenan TIME STAMP PLEASE

[@reynbow9841]

Candy Corn the Unicorn around 40:09

[@oliverh.8432]

Sameee

[@fandomrandom2741]

The idea that Janus probably genurly thought Roman was talking about trees make me laugh harder than it chould

[@peach_vera5417]

I had to rewind the video, rewatch it, and then pause the video so I could laugh

[@Water_9826]

Remus and Virgil: *This video games sucks*

[@mvzcn]

Yup

[@MajazMIK]

Yes yes yes not fair to them

[@keekskage3490]

Water9826 Bottle omg yes 😂

[@Random_topic.s]

Oml yes

[@slushyphantom5943]

LMFAO YES

[@faitharnold882]

is no one gonna talk about how janus' name is the same as the Roman god Janus who has two heads, is the god of new beginnings and doors (both mental and physical), his 2 heads (one young one old) allow him to look at all aspects of a situation and come up with a conclusion that is inclusive and his two heads look at both evil and good!!!! and im pretty sure that's why deceits name is janus, he has two sides, looks at all aspects of the situation etc

[@szaboluca5536]

I mean even his symbol is a two-headed snake

[@giuliasantini8427]

Holy hell.... thank you for sharing!

[@oreokitkat7992]

And I'm pretty sure Janus had a role in a myth including Romulus-

[@shelbiecain9289]

Yass

[@nocturnecz3965]

I've seen Janus mentioned as a possible name for Deceit exactly for these reasons. Add the fact that all the 'dark' sides have names of a similar origin and it's a pretty solid case. I won't lie, I screamed when he introduced himself. We got it right!

[@irene-wv6uj]

thinking about how everyone shamed roman for trusting janus last time then turn around and shame him for not trusting him now. he deserves so much

[@Dandelionsinthesky]

^^^This

[@Kaylee-Bear]

Yeah Roman deserved better. I might love Janus, but Roman deserves the world. Patton seems to unintentionally be causing a lot of issues he needs to be held accountable for...

[@tonyal8839]

both times roman was acting extremely selfish for his own views

[@notbubblystarters05]

It's always situational, but yeah. Definitely could be better on both sides.

[@happyflowerdemon8565]

@@notbubblystarters05 Yeah. Though it was wrong of Janus to insult Roman like that. I mean I doubt that he doesn't know what hurts the sides. Roman does have things to work on. Just like Thomas, the sides are all learning that it's okay to have your mind work the way it does. It's okay to have anxiety, it's okay to lie sometimes, it's okay to be sad, and it's okay to have intrusive thoughts. I feel like for the longest time, Thomas has despised his lies, anxiety, and intrusive thoughts, thus despising their embodiments; Janus, Virgil, and Remus, which is probably why they are considered the darksides. Roman is a prince, Thomas' hero. Thus Roman feels like part of his job is protecting Thomas from anyone who could hurt him. He probably feels like he needs to protect the other sides too. For the longest time, Janus, Remus, and Virgil were the villains that he and the light sides, had to protect Thomas from. I think it's gonna take time for Roman to except Janus. Also Roman mentions, in another video, that he shows his love through making fun of the person or thing he loves. Mabie he was trying to show support in the end by making fun of Janus' name, but it failed. Though he might have just been being rude. I do feel like if the first one is the case, that Roman needs to learn when and when its not, okay to show love by making fun of something. Because I can see why Janus and the others we're seeing him as being rude. I mean Roman did just call him a villain and also there is the most likely case that Roman was just being immature. But honestly I think everyone just needs time.

[@caitlinowens0622]

“You’re not stuck with an evil snake boi. You’re just stuck with a snake boi”.

[@mckaleighwatson3942]

He spends too much time with Remus.

[@kalkk5567]

@@mckaleighwatson3942 I freaking love the headcanon that Deceit and Remus CHOOSE to hang out with each other-

[@rotainium7561]

Oh brother

[@arelisndvl2528]

Caitlin Owens snake bois can be good just look up snakes in hats

[@lotuspocus1113]

Janus is apart of Thomas. He asks himself, "how can we trust you?" For me that feels like, "How can I trust myself?"

[@panek6443]

Derpy Dragan THANK YOU? THAT’S WHAT I THOUGH!

[@arkanhelle2525]

Oof

[@klabiaga3684]

Oooh darn

[@nurailidepaepe2783]

they're.. all a part of thomas..

[@alterego24122]

Oh.. Ouch

[@spadehenri8300]

Literally everyone is gonna ignore the fact that Leslie Odom Jr. himself literally made an appearance in the video and they only made one hamilton reference

[@hummingbirdspark3998]

Spade Strange wait when

[@earltaboada]

Yes when

[@Callordin]

You couldn't give starving, down in his luck actor Leslie Odom Jr. A hotdog's worth of lines and screen time? How very dare! I'm playing, bless y'all for this

[@spadehenri8300]

@@earltaboada Roman referred to him as Aaron Burr 32:34

[@juliannaagoncillo6090]

....technically 2. Check The Mind Vs. the Heart and My Negative Thinking

[@ArchyMageFoxy]

That fight between Patton and Janus... It shows very clearly that Janus is more than just Thomas' deception. He's also his self-preservation and self care. Even in the court room scenario he wasn't saying "be selfish because why tf not", he was more so saying 'It's fine to be selfish every once in awhile, it's *needed*". Janus is easily my favourite character, and his theme is just amazing~ I also find it really sad how, Roman isn't even trying to look past Janus being "Deceit". Lies is all he ever see's in him, and it's sad. Very well written story don't get me wrong! Just... Yeah :/

[@lpsshortcake3790]

I agree, to be fair though, for the first two videos with Janus Roman was on his side, defending him and the conclusion was Janus was evil, siding with him was criticised, now he's the only one in the video not siding with him. Plus, Janus lied to him to butter him up and used him to better his deception, so he's less likely to trust him. Still not cool laughing at his name though and Janus does obviously have Thomas's best interests at heart, I can just kind of see where Roman is coming from is all

[@ArchyMageFoxy]

@@lpsshortcake3790 You make a good point. I can see wheres he coming from too.

[@Hannah4765]

It also sticks with Roman's character; he was the last "Light" side to accept Virgil as well. He very much embodies the "we're Light and good, you're Dark and bad" argument as a hero would to those he sees as villains. And he seems to see Remus as HIS dark side, rather than one of Thomas' "it's like looking in a fun house mirror". I'm glad that this has been consistent with Roman as a character and it's a great arc for him.

[@anonymouslymj1064]

@@lpsshortcake3790 yeah the fact that Janus manipulated Roman in the last video (which is actually pretty much stated by Roman here) and most people just gloss over it doesn’t sit right with me. If somebody had toyed with me if I had a fragile mental state and ultimately harmed me for their own purposes, no matter how virtuous, I’d be pretty pissed at them too.

[@mauveforest8839]

Roman asks Thomas if he still is his hero, Thomas said “Yes, of course you are”. Yet still Roman DOESN’T BELIEVE HIM, he looks at Janus and he nods, BUT ROMAN SEES HIM AS THE LORD OF LIES, SO OF COURSE HE SNAPS, AND JANUS’ SMILE WHEN HE NODDED FADES WHEN IT CLICKS TO HIM THAT ROMAN THOUGHT THAT THE NOD WAS A LIE. GOD, THOMAS, JOAN, ALL THE TEAM DESERVE SO MUCH LOVE AND ADMIRATION FOR THIS WORK OF ART!

[@Speckaboo]

MFVM I did not see it as that at first but yeah that clarifies a lot about Roman’s reaction

[@rabies2800]

IM LOVING THIS EVEN MORE BY THE SECOND

[@ayvee1759]

That makes a lot of sense. Janus has also manipulated Roman into doing what he wants twice, so Roman doesn't feel like he can trust anything Janus says. Additionally, during the song at the beginning of the video, one of Roman's lines is "If our goals aligned with his, what would that say?" I think that because Roman has such a negative attitude towards Janus (which isn't entirely unreasonable), he thinks that he can't have anything in common with him or he won't be able to be Thomas's hero anymore. He already feels guilty about being tricked into siding with Janus twice before, and he feels like he needs to prove that he'll never let it happen again, so he lashes out at Janus in any way he can (hence why, when Janus revealed his name, Roman laughed at him). Roman has no reason to believe that Janus is even capable of telling the truth, and Janus realized that after he nodded. I don't expect Roman to come around to Janus being more or less accepted for a while. I don't really agree with Roman's behavior because I'm biased (Janus is tied with Virgil for my favorite side and Roman is my least favorite), but I do understand it. Also, I think when Virgil finds out that Janus has been more or less accepted, he is not going to be happy about it. I believe that at least part of the reason Virgil doesn't like Janus is because a) he knows Janus from when he (Virgil) was a dark side and they possibly had some kind of falling out, and b) Janus reminds Virgil of who he used to be when he was a dark side. In the first episode Janus appeared in, "Can Lying Be Good?" Patton described him as "an inner coach that acts with the one intention of self-preservation." Virgil used to be something similar before the others accepted him. He's toned it down quite a bit since then, but I think Janus reminds Virgil of his past self, who he is not proud of. However, I think Virgil will come around sooner than Roman, because Virgil is more likely to believe that Janus actually has Thomas' best interests at heart.

[@PheonixGirl-hg7cf]

Something i dont think Roman is seeing, is that the world isn't so simple as "Good and Evil". Good and Evil is a matter of perspective, to a cannary, a cat is evil, but to say, an earthworm, the cannary is evil, but to US as humans, all three are good. The real world is messy, nothing is as simple as, for lack is better words, "Black and White". The world is more Grey in that case. This is something that Roman is going to need to understand, and that Janus is a prime example of this. Trust wont come easy, but hopefully it will come eventually...

[@catrina2943]

Roman has massive issues because he seems to be getting less attention and recognition each episode and in DWIT he at the end says he got stuck with a realisation. Most likely that his input isn’t as important as he thought it was. In the beginning he had pride in himself but slowly he seems to be fading as if he values other people impression of himself way to highly. It’s as if he has no real value of himself so he seeks for others to praise him.

[@AJ-The-Bumblebee]

I know people dont trust Janus, but remember in his introduction: His only motivation is self preservation. And sometimes that comes in the form of taking care of yourself before others.

[@Rex_o_roar]

Also the fact he's a part of Thomas so he would want Thomas to take care of himself too.

[@koalabeertje2466]

my exact thought

[@scapegoatcomics6168]

Janus represents a human self defence mechanism, lying is essential because without it you cannot conceal your true intentions. The problem is the act of lying has been demonised and the idea that it's wrong is reinforced from such an early point that when we have to learn that lying can be okay and in some cases necessary then we have to unlearn the notion that lying is wrong. And that's what we have here, Janus represents ironically an uncomfortable truth: he is part of Thomas. Roman and Patton have held a sense of moral absolutism and whilst Patton has realised this is not the way and is starting to grow Roman cannot accept this because it challenges his whole identity. In his moral reasoning he is the hero and Janus is the villain...but his reasoning is flawed because it neglects the reality that morality isn't an absolute it's a spectrum. Janus is not evil, he's not even inherently bad but if that's true then what does that mean for Roman? And there is the uncomfortable truth that not all sides of Thomas can reconcile with in this episode. The thing about Janus is he is in service of the self, his priority is and always will be Thomas' wellbeing even if it comes at the expense of others but this doesn't make him any less of a valid side than Virgil, Patton, Logan or yes even Roman. And I cannot wait to see how this continues on, we are seeing the sides evolve with Thomas and just as Patton is learning morality isn't simple so must Roman learn things aren't black and white.

[@xjessyplaysssxx7486]

Who is janus?

[@xjessyplaysssxx7486]

Nvm I know now

[@hanad7835]

“DECIET, what did you do to Logan!!!!????” “Nothing and I resent the question”

[@espinozaeden]

Janice**

[@espinozaeden]

but yes i loved this line lmaooo

[@lantearia]

@@espinozaeden Janus, not Janice. And this moment was before the name reveal happened.

[@air5257]

still wanna know what he did to logan tho, they never really said it

[@aduckwithayoutubechannel]

Emma Kartchner Janus***. It’s most likely based off of the Roman god Janus, typically depicted with two faces (calling someone two faced is like calling them deceitful).

[@whilenya4714]

Janus posing as Logan at 27:55, looking downward from his spot in the info-box portrait like he's questioning his life choices after Patton all but told him his advice wasn't worth anything to the current conversation and Roman cut him off just as he was about to say something. This is Janus having realized he is not being HIMSELF at the moment yet they're STILL dismissing him without a second thought even if not quite as outright, and that the methods used to shut him down being subtler might feel worse. Currently identifying _way too much_ with Logan's continued struggle to make himself heard and internalizing just how hard poor Logan actually has it when trying to be listened to too. I think this is the moment when he started to regret taking Logan's place during this video, if he didn't already. (And, by the way he acts so done with their sh*t after this moment as well as the passive aggression towards people's important contributions being ignored _rolling off_ of the way he framed his advice just before this together with his response of "Nothing at all _and I resent the question"_ to "What did you do to Logan?!" as coupled with his initial concerned/guilty "Oh sh*t" reaction at seeing Logan more or less in person later, I think there might've been an important if awkward off-screen conversation there that we missed spanning from when they swapped at 23:20 to J showing up in disguise at 26:45. One involving Logan being so done he might've greenlighted this post hostile takeover. Which, that still probably involved Logan lashing out first or simply thinking it wouldn't make a difference, since it's already a given they won't listen to Dee either if he's posing as _Logan._ Then lo and behold they actually _do._ And it feels nice of course, but also Janus has mixed feeling about it now whoops. Apologies are in definitely order after this, if they weren't a given already.)

[@feyasatos]

"You're not stuck with an evil snake boi... You're stuck with a snake boi" I giggled a lot

[@pixiheartgirl6768]

Didn't we all?

[@feyasatos]

@@pixiheartgirl6768 Yes, yes we did

[@pixiheartgirl6768]

@@feyasatos Rhetorical question, but okay.

[@sonchaeyoung9967]

Pixi Heartgirl noooo... i *snickered*

[@Thecrowsnesttrinkets]

I’m honestly kind of glad that Virgil wasn’t in this episode. Don’t get me wrong, I love Virgil but had he been in this episode one of two things would have happened. Either: Virgil’s reveal in the last episode would have been glossed over or ignored Or The discussion of the reveal would have taken away from part of the storyline Neither of which would have been good. I feel like this storyline and Virgil’s reveal are both important and deserve to not be glossed over or pushed aside to favour the other. It would’ve been too much or taken away from this episodes overall atmosphere

[@EmileeAria413]

Plus for an in-universe reason I doubt that Virgil would have been down to clown with Janus at the table. I think the next episode is going to be Virgil and Roman vs Logan and Patton (And hopefully Janus) to convince Roman and Virgil that Janus has more than valid reason to be at the table.

[@eleaya_rebekah]

My friend watched this before me and she made me think Virgil was herE I was a little sad But your point makes sense! Like virgils reveal definitely should be glossed kver

[@aashtonrn3848]

Agreed- I feel it should be discussed in the next episode which then we could possibly tie in Roman's particularly defensive behaviour towards the Darksiders... as well as fully explain why they are dark sides as technically speaking they all have the best intentions for Thomas in their own way and they all balance each other out....

[@abigailwerner9677]

I feel like Virgil also deserves a break and that serves the point of the video. It’s about Thomas helping others vs helping himself, and virgil is his anxiety. Meaning that his well being is greatly tied to Thomas’s mental well being, and Thomas is shown not to be doing good at all and that he needs a break, so of course virgil would also deserve a break

[@EmileeAria413]

@@aashtonrn3848 The one who called them "The Dark Sides" was roman, who right now is the cruelest character second only to Remus. Laughing in Janus's face and endlessly mocking his name just because he's "the bad guy?" that's not hero behavior.

[@karmaanimates1369]

Everyone: WhEreS ReMUs- Remus: *driving the trolly*

[@yoursleepparalysisdemon1519]

He then proceeds to run over Leslie for the hecken heck of it

[@chaoticmushroomchildren6936]

Pft..omg YES

[@elfi643]

Pfffft that actually made me laugh

[@alterego24122]

You got me xD

[@valerieprochazkova9685]

good one XDD

[@whilenya4714]

Janus posing as Logan: " …Having heard a piece of information before _does not give you license to ignore it in the future._ Especially when the consequences of forgetting are so perilous. " Wait. Is J here (27:37 - 27:46) low-key passive aggressively calling them out for ignoring Logan (Logic, y'know, _Common Sense™)_ so hard all the time when he's talking about maintaining a healthy lifestyle that Deceit _(Self-preservation)_ of all people had to step up in his stead? Because if so, I am all for it. Go off, snek boi, go off!

[@FrayBirdArt]

The sanders sides series should get a reward. I’m not kidding it makes you think.

[@heidichan8821]

Entertaining, Educational, and Applicable for All Ages

[@greasy2086]

@@heidichan8821 applicable for all ages *start of the video: F**K F**K F**K!* *parents to their 5 year olds: just ignore that sweetie*

[@heidichan8821]

Tide Pods oops i forgot how unfiltered this episode was aha

[@not-so-happypappypatton]

Heidi Chan *Remus in the corner: “Y’all hear something?”*

[@mollyt.423]

Heidi Chan Lol I think this is more PG rating

[@cisnt9244]

We all care that Logan's okay, we all stopped to read his facts..poor buddy.

[@flwrsofbffnry]

I did indeed pause to read his facts. Poor Logan :c

[@RavenRoses88]

Eriotl Ampora omg I thought I was the only one who stopped to read it

[@holly3330]

Same, I paused just cause I wanted to know what it was.

[@Callordin]

I mean Logan brought the T and I was thirsty. If you know what I mean. Why is Remus wiggling his eyebrows like that?

[@WatermelonLord_]

Im another person who stopped to read his facts! And this video was sooooo emotional.

[@mckennaishirten424]

Sander sides are turning into mini movies and I’m here for it

[@Laura_Sim1235]

YES IT SHOULD BE A MINY MOVE SERIES

[@imjustasconfusedasyou]

His first episode was like 5 minuets then 14 minuets and now an hour!

[@mackenzie8703]

Isabella Fortune I remember that!!!

[@slitherysnakeysnake5206]

I also love how Janus actually LISTENS to Logan

[@blowdriedcow868]

Janus means “archway" in Latin. Janus was the Roman god of gateways and beginnings, often depicted as having two faces looking in opposite directions. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW!!! Think about it- Deceit/Janus is half snake half human, the name Janus sheds light on his good side (The side in the video) and his bad side (Being depicted as a liar in earlier videos) by having the name of a Roman God of Archways, who was often depicted as having two faces looking in opposite directions, aka Deceit’s (Janus’s) human side and his snake side, good side and bad side, Honest side and deceitful side, it really shows a new angle to Deceit/Janus. Edit: OMG THANK Y’ALL SO MUCH! I never got more than 100

[@phraseology6858]

Oh my God. Thank you so much. When I looked it up, I spelled it Janice, and the meaning was God's gracious gift in Hebrew, and I was confused, because surely that can't be right? I'm so happy he's doesn't have a name like an old lady, but rather as my favorite god. Thank you so much for clearing this up.

[@barbiecentral]

JESUS CHRIST THANK YOU

[@zoesherwin]

It is a perfect name that I don’t think anyone really expected

[@SweeteaDove]

AHHHHH!!!!!! I LOVE MEANINGFUL NAMES

[@irisrain9074]

I was just about to comment on this. Janus is also the god of choices some good and some bad so it makes even more sense.

[@milliejazz1727]

Everyone: having mettle breakdowns Remus & Virgil: quietly playing animal crossing in the background

[@Crowdraws]

Virgil: in his room having a panic attack Remus: filling Romans room with feral cats

[@coppeytheball-master7732]

Lol yas

[@casamity6755]

i don’t think remus does anything quietly lol

[@missblissnumber2564]

Remus: OoooOoo~ we could SO totally buy that chair! It would go nicely with the living room! Virgil: no we don't have enough bells for that! Besides, I only have a few leaf tickets left, and I'm saving them for this lamp! Remus: BUT- BUT THE CHAIRRRR! Virgil: Remy, I swear to go- Remus: I. WANT. THE. CHAIR. Virgil: NO.

[@milliejazz1727]

MissBliss Number2 OMG yes! *\(^o^)/*

[@cobblestone4375]

Theory: Thomas lost the costumes to Logan and Virgil, and that’s why their not physically present in this video

[@inkandangst5629]

Awkward Ava the only solution I will accept

[@Plotbunnyhunter]

"Alright Thomas, now we film the part for Logan- Thomas. Why is there a giant Crofters stain on Logan's costume? We need that for filming." "Unlessss"

[@L33ch_T33th]

I mean that would be me

[@mrstubbie7677]

when you forget to do your laungre :

[@misunderstoodwaffle3286]

Funny, that would explain that

[@lakotathetimelord]

Brooooo! How did I only just notice how smooth the transition from Logan's voice to Janus' voice was??!!?!! THAT WAS BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!

[@hanad7835]

“Roman, you shouldn’t push people’s buttons” ...Pump the breaks, Princey

[@beee2034]

*you pump those BREAKS*

[@somethingnexttonormal]

Why are we not talking about how the legend Leslie Odom Jr HIMSELF was in the video

[@thephoenicorn]

THANK YOU. You are literally the second comment I've seen mentioning him

[@erinnichols531]

Finally! I had to scroll way too far to see a comment about this!

[@snoopynwoodstock99]

+

[@nesspuckridge9816]

Like- how did that happen

[@gloriousmuchemeranwa8441]

BroadwayBookworm325 EXACTLY how did he get there ?!

[@lizg3041]

Is no one gonna talk about how iconic Lee and Mary Lee’s friendship with Thomas is

[@Ash-zx9kt]

Liz G I know right it’s great

[@maem7462]

I love it so much

[@lizg3041]

Mae Mitchum “what part of us bringing booze juice and pastries to your house makes you think we like hanging out with you?”

[@_primrse_1252]

Janus: - reveals his name - Everyone: ..... Roman: - starts laughing - Janus:- completely ruins his self esteem -

[@flower_productions7213]

Janus: Woke up Had some wine (he probably drinks it) And chose: *Self-Esteem destruction*

[@Fili9521]

To be fair it is pretty shitty to make fun of other people's name (no hate on roman it was just mean)

[@Teahillmusic]

Oh rewatching this I actually realised something the ones connected to the dark sides all have Roman names Janus- two faced god of lies and gateways(pretty sure) Remus- one of Romes founders with his brother Romulus(Roman) And Vergil a poet who criticised those in power in his works

[@EvangelineBelle]

Janus: “You’re not stuck with an evil snek boi...” Thomas: ....... Janus: “you’re stuck with a SnEk BoI”

[@sapphis_lazuli]

that is one of my favorite lines both in phrasing and delivery

[@infamouse9263]

DeathX Dylan mine too

[@infamouse9263]

zonescat yeah

[@darksiegechaos]

Thomas: you're right Janus: what was that. I couldn't hear you? Thomas: *YOU ARE RIGHT* Janus: Moans

[@dev0uwu]

Idk but this is gold 😂😂

[@shelbyteague7928]

He really needed that validation

[@CannibalPriest]

@@oni_fleenor ;)

[@plutoicerena3698]

@@oni_fleenor *insert lenny face*

[@LittleSansLittletale]

Thats how Janus lives life

[@themisfitmarauder9106]

Logan: **being unnoticed** Patton: **frog** Roman: **having a mental breakdown** Janus: **is finally the good guy** Remus and Virgil: **playing just dance in the background**

[@adragonprobably1652]

**frog** is perhaps the best one

[@thewanderinggamer1369]

I wonder what Roman & Remus: Dream Team Bros' room looks like.

[@ashkatt3389]

Hol'up u deadass?

[@neurospicylatina3919]

And playing animal crossing

[@jordanvest4400]

Pretty much

[@sammadden9931]

It has taken until *now* for me to notice that the hooked cane used to pull Logan away is the same as the one that Janus is holding when he reveals himself. HOW DID I MISS THIS?

[@Bgdf007]

I've been scrolling in the comments trying to find someone who noticed like me. I'm watching this instead of skipping to find all of Logan's lowdowns to actually let him be listened to and I noticed it right away, lol.

[@seandonahoe3495]

​@@Bgdf007I was also looking to see if anyone else noticed this

[@miareynolds1863]

Roman is insecure about the dark selfish parts of him. When he showed them he was criticized. So to see someone who has openly shown these parts of them get openly accepted hurts.

[@izzylacroix4131]

OOOHH that makes sense!!

[@solessisters4848]

Holy heck ur right

[@your_local_fander3702]

Wow. That is.. a good point. Imma go rethink my life

[@toby4514]

Mamma mia that's a good point!

[@cupcakegaming882]

Corrie Fleming omg your both so right!

[@makiahhughgill6087]

The way Janus said “i’ll take care of him” with such a soft smile on his face I LOVE HIM

[@Chestnut-xm2pv]

That wasn't quoted correctly, but I agree.

[@OxyeonBenreyJoe]

“I’ll take care of him”

[@HeatherOxford]

46:12 💛

[@alexandranoellemuliadi6488]

And seconds later he suggested to push people down stairs, tbh that's iconic 😂

[@Repurp0sed]

Names of The Sides: Logan Roman Patton Virgil/Virge Remus Janus/Janice(Idk sry)

[@remytherat6158]

“Karma is a very fair person” is like Brendon Urie saying “the poor grooms bride is a beautiful woman”

[@ayleth891]

When Roman started swearing in this video, he disproved Logan's explanation of him as Netflix kids and family in DWIT

[@bookworm_of_heaven]

Isabella Phalen 41:38

[@somedumbgayplantboi3012]

yeah,

[@somedumbgayplantboi3012]

@@ayleth891 also the bitchmas thing

[@CrowsNest05]

I chime in, haven’t you people ever heard of- letting my babeys be happy? No, much better to face these kinds of things with a sense of angst and feels

[@bradholstein2343]

After a while I finally decided to rewatch this, and I think Roman's reaction at 42:09 ish to Thomas saying "Wh- You ARE!" As a response to Roman saying "I thought I was your hero" was just a simple misinterpretation on his part. He looked specifically at Janus, and the camera cut to him, as if asking "Is he lying?" But Janus may have taken it at "is he telling the truth?" Therefore nodded, because Thomas wasn't lying, Roman IS his hero, but since the question at hand was "Is he lying", a nod was interpreted at "Yes, he is. You're not his hero" hence Roman covering his mouth in disbelief and snapping back with "I can't believe this, did you forget that he's EVIL"

[@Lemonish_S0nderHD]

"We love you kiddo" "Right.." WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS

[@Lemonish_S0nderHD]

Timestamp: 42:23

[@lovelyaristotle4983]

I’ll thank about it! *It made me sad*

[@weirdcatcoaster1237]

Looks like someone’s slowly having a mental breakdown

[@divineichor7079]

@@weirdcatcoaster1237 Yes. We need that juicy Roman angst.

[@Lemonish_S0nderHD]

@@divineichor7079 YES THAT ROMAN ANGST IS WHAT WE NEED

[@bmann0843]

I use to hate deceit or Janus but now I actually understand him. Hes reminding me alot of Virgil, trying to help Thomas in the strange ways he does that others deem "evil" when he's just trying to help.

[@EmileeAria413]

I never once thought he was a mustache-twirling villain. To me he always represented the more cynical side of Thomas. The one that looked out for himself and no one else. Janus is right, "Selfish" has been stigmatized as this awful, evil word but it's really more of a neutral word.

[@elijah6409]

This video definitely solidified the idea that Deceit is more than just LYING. As many other commenters have said, Deceit is something akin to self preservation. Sure it’s through lies and not as moral ways, but Janus is a lot like Virgil in the way that they both just want to keep Thomas safe and healthy.

[@maem7462]

When Deceit was first introduced I didn't really like him but he was funny and then in SVS then I loved him even considered as more of a villain because he is a really fun and good villain and interesting character who did make some kinda good points. This video made me love him more

[@eleaya_rebekah]

Same I learned to like him a lot in this episodd

[@ShinyKyogre789YT]

I always saw Dee as a way for Thomas to make sarcastic cracks at all the sides (like we do sometimes) from inside the series while it not being Thomas (character) that points them out. Eh. Idk. I just saw Dee as that, a way to sarcastically point out things that are painfully true about the sides I saw him as Sarcasm more than Deceit XD

[@ellastarburst736]

Roman's "I'm not going outside" aged, and I'm not sure if it's like milk or wine

[@tr0y644]

Ella Starburst I think that was the joke

[@juliannaagoncillo6090]

@@ambiguousgrass607 Guess you can say Roman has predicted the future on his own accord (or by accident)~ Also if we're choosing to find a comparison to self-clairvoyance, Roman's quote aged like red wine~

[@IDKAnymoreOfficial]

I love the fact that it changes from Deceit and Payton fighting each other, to just Thomas’s mental health. And also, looking back, I realize that everything is about all the other sides and barely about Roman. It’s Virgil this, Patton that, Logan this, Remus that, Janus this and etc. Everyone views Roman as some annoying characteristic of a stereotypical hero, so that is what he is. No one is giving him any sort of ear to listen to how he feels unloved and left out, no matter how hard he tried to voice that and I realize that now, Roman has feelings himself. It’s like being the funny friend, and yet you yourself make yourself the “funny friend” to ignore what’s hurting you. They see him as the funny friend and as the annoying side, but he’s more than that, but as long as everyone sees him as annoying and “funny” he will remain that way.

[@gracedbyme8657]

When Roman asked how they can trust Deceit and before he started to pull his glove off I was just chanting “Name! Name! Name!”

[@thatrat8414]

same lmao

[@gizmonotgiz]

I think we all were. At least, those of us who weren’t in tears. I take that back. I was in tears and still chanting it.

[@raisinbread6128]

gracedbyme when he said my name is I gasps and jumped so much

[@somethingelse6774]

YEEES

[@avanthikakartha5468]

I seriously thought he was just gonna show his hand cause it had a tattoo or something....😂😂

[@maxpax3427]

Is no one gonna talk about the fact that leslie Odom Jr was physically in this? But besides that "trees?" From Janus killed me

[@mwa1081]

same, same, but.. no, still same

[@Odd_Cinderella]

Was there a significance to that scene? Everyone always brings it up, and I am confused by it.

[@baileymcfadden1409]

Stuff and Non-Sense I literally laughed for like 20 minutes, the ‘.....trees?’ Killed me

[@Nadia-sv4nb]

@@Odd_Cinderella ;-; look him up

[@Kale6196]

@@Odd_Cinderella re watch it.

[@sapphis_lazuli]

*PSA:* Deceit's name isn't Janice, like the woman's name, it's Janus, after the Roman god. Janus is the two-faced (sometimes literally) god of choices. He represents a choice between two options that one must take.

[@emilykalunga3510]

DeathX Dylan this is important

[@MomoHitsujiOwO]

DeathX Dylan Thanks for the info!

[@DEFENDEROFJUSTICE-xd9ct]

I thought it was Janice, and I thought he was lying and was also very confused.

[@theotherguitargeek]

its a bit like self preservation in a sense! That's what I've noticed a lot about Janus: They tend to act selfishly sometimes but for the sake of self preservation.

[@ignitedrowlets5776]

oh wow, that's a cool detail

[@veeranummila9113]

45:34 "-And it's (Deceit being a part of Thomas) not that I'm an evil liar, or even a fractionally fiendish fibber. Everyone has a capacity for deceit, including me. And all that means is... I'm not perfect." Love how at the end they straight out call Janus's whole existence an imperfection TO HIS FACE! And then he just hides it because he is literally Deceit and can probably hide his feelings pretty easily. Damn. Time to go think about this for the rest of the night.

[@kierstenchaney4197]

THANK YOU! I was thinking the exact same thing, I literally said to myself, "Did he just call Deceit a mistake??". I'm hoping that, much like Virgil called out the time Logan implied he was a 'defeatist' (I forget which episode), Janus will make a callback (no pun intended) to this line.

[@happyflowerdemon8565]

Eh I don't think Janus would be too affected by this line. He knows that humans are not perfect and are not supposed to be. He's just finally making Thomas realize that.

[@nicosaur1]

idk why the line roman: “ when is it enough?” janus: “trees?” cracks me up so much

[@kasperkirk8487]

Finally the comment I was looking for 😂

[@denkikaminari6212]

it gets me everytime!!

[@Kay-ql2wl]

Omg yes!!!!

[@bookworm_of_heaven]

I cant look at trees the same way, I just laugh, help me

[@daveys_tired]

shshhsgs wait whens that at again-?

[@sadboyhours9286]

Is no one gonna talk about how close deceit sounded to crying when he said "My name.." the first time

[@paperclippy]

@@clover951 sAME bro

[@oliverh.8432]

Can I get the time stamp for this?

[@anadabanana22]

SadBoy Hours yES

[@jdguymon6023]

@@oliverh.8432 the scene starts at about 41:11

[@jalenstoryarts9865]

RIGHT?!

[@muffindubs725]

So much happened in this episode that everyone is forgetting how much of a banger that song was

[@ayleth891]

While trying to make sense of the episode, the song got lost in the mental shuffle. If it were any other type of episode, the song would not have been lost in the mental shuffle.

[@StarChoke]

I know roman was acting like a dark side,Patton wasn’t himself,Logan is now stuck in a game and deceit is acting like logan

[@balloonwithglasses]

It was AMaZinG

[@mysticalblue2352]

True

[@massnovvaa3138]

Yesss

[@sailorenthusiast]

Just making a personal note that Janus’ logo was labeled Denial at 20:22.

[@coyotix]

Roman's was Passion

[@embodimentofawkwardness7734]

And Logan's wasn't gone over at all...does it mean he's not necessarily logic and they're hiding it?

[@theboogeyman2590]

@@embodimentofawkwardness7734they did go over his, his said logic except they very quickly moved away from his icon