Q&A FUELTECH VS HONDATA (WHICH IS BETTER & WHY)

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[@diymike]

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[@jamesblasingame4246]

@diymike this is a dumb question, but does it have obd2 diag port. I'm just wondering if it's something i could actually use on my daily. And still pass smog.

[@phuhoang4678]

I have an ek running a 2005 rsx type s k20z3 . What unit of the fuel tech will I need to run my car. Not boosted bone stock.

[@phuhoang4678]

I am also having issue with the immobilizer and need to bypass that

[@larryher1]

Thank You Mike. You hit it right on the spot on 2:05 about the benefits of a stand-alone and not having to buy each program for each cars/project setup. A stand-alone will work on all setup. I’m actually in that position with a B Series All Motor and slowly building a K series on the side. Why get a S300 and KPRO separately when I can just get 1 stand-alone and utilize the standalone for both projects considering if I’m only driving 1 car. Great stuff!

[@TrackSol]

Mike, thanks for the follow up video. You make good points about the time it takes to tune a Hondata and the condition of the old Honda ECUs. To add to that second point, the engine wiring harnesses themselves can also be a problem with corrosion, broken connectors, or shoddy splices by previous owners, especially for D and B series engines. That might be something to mention going forward since working with brand new parts and components is such a time saver and has less stress. If someone is going to spring for a new aftermarket harness from Rywire, CJ's, WireWhere or whomever, than they can just get one made for whatever standalone they're going to use. I think a good video in the future would be to show a basic overview of wiring up a Fueltech unit with a prebuilt harness. Most DIYers are very hesitant to do wiring , and from what I've seen working on cars, most of the ones that aren't scared probably shouldn't have even tried it in the first place. Most DIYers appreciate plug an play solutions, so if that can be added as a package option, either with an adapter harness or a completely new harness, it might gain popularity.

[@diymike]

Very good observations man and Solid advice. I am trying my best to drop some knowledge for anyone trying to start a new project or upgrade in the future. Thank you for your input, it does help people who read it.

[@2strokesimdone833]

Video came across and figured I'd say I'm going on a year running my k20a on a FT450 in my daily. It's been an awesome hondata replacement and I still have working eps and ac.

[@Jce46]

I was about to buy hondadata for my boosted teg. I’m gonna look into this more

[@diymike]

Many other better options.

[@Tested787]

Fueltech FTW, greetings from Brazil man, the country of fueltech!

[@fbanda20]

I wired up a fuel tech FT450 running a 1Jz in an old Corolla. Wasn’t hard at all the manual is very well thought out and customer support was awesome. It was my first time ever wiring in an ecu. Super easy.

[@Andy_Built]

Mike ->> fellow Laotian from cali here brotha thanks for making these videos myself and a friend are going to be contacting u soon for FT550s and going to see about tuning with u some time in the future. Again thanks for making these informative vids

[@diymike]

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[@josejesuszanettimartinez6119]

Hi mike I live in spain and I have an eg with k24 engine and ecu ft450, working perfectly vtc vtec, also I run with progressive nitro controlled by the ft that works great, fueltech is the best I've been able to test.😎👍

[@jeremys9584]

Does the fueltech have the progressive nitrous built in?

[@jakech12345]

How do you get a vtc table up on ft450 software? Hondata is definitely alot easier to use in that regard lol

[@H2b.sookie]

Are you using the fuel tech engine harness or do you know if I can run a stock k harness on a fuel tech ?

[@outshaft1670]

So, here at my country, fueltech is the most popular choice, and it open the possibility to modernize you engine (coil on plug, sequential ignition, etc). The cost really is a problem, but you are buying something new that will bring security to your project

[@panick.attack]

This couldn't come at a better time. Planning on turbocharging my D16Y8 and will be considering the FuelTech ecu.

[@Hygoog]

I used to be intimidated by wiring standalone ecus but now I love it. It’s not rocket science…just following the diagrams. I will never go back to chipped ecus.

[@seran2316]

Humble Performance made a video about Haltech Elite 550 vs Hondata S300, he made a lot of pointers why Elite 550 was better. In Summary, Elite 550 or the Fueltech 450 is better for having room for growth. Coil on Plugs, Traction Control, Multiple Sensors, O2 Closed Loop Control, Staged Injection, NOS Window Switch and everything custom that you need and of course faster and fresher units. Because in the end having all those addons for the S300 will be more expensive than the FT450 or Elite 550 P.S. - Waiting for you to release a harness for FT450 to B-Series

[@Rafael-ct1ho]

Will it be a better idea selling my brand new kpro v4 and aem wide band to buy a fueltech ecu?

[@dathao9692]

For most of us we don’t know how to do harness if the fuel tech has pnp it would be a great deal but I think haltech would be easier for us that don’t do wire since they offer pnp

[@jeremys9584]

They make pnp k series harness for ft they run about 650$

[@RodrigoDantas_1983]

As a Brazilian living in Canada (I used to have in my vw and works amazing) but now, I’m looking for a new ECU for my Type-R, but my concern is cutting wires.

[@kekistani2373]

Fk8 or older platform?

[@outshaft1670]

Make a whole new wire and save your original wire

[@iAmTaiBoogie]

Just copped a ft550!

[@peanutbboy5754]

I 💯 agree with your brother! I’ll pick up a FT550 soon for my rsx

[@inmeight]

Great info im definitely looking to get a 550 in the future keep up the good work bro

[@HondaHatchMyles]

Yea I was already sold when you started comparing old tech speed vs new tech speed. Now I'm curious on comparing haltech, Fuel tech, AEM Etc. What's the best bang for you buck for daily driving?

[@minibikelife1062]

The only reason for using Kpro now is to be able to pass emissions for inspection for cars 97 and up. I wanted to go fuel tech or even Haltech but my civic is a 2000 with a k24a2. So in NY I need to go Kpro for now unfortunately.

[@leetuon8184]

Informative. Love it man

[@fnieves85]

I have an ap1 with a f22 using kpro on a tax type s ecu. This required physical changes on the engine to work with the ecu. If I went fueltech, would I have to swap the original f22 parts back on the engine?

[@sketchyhondas8061]

Negative

[@c_boogie401]

To Bryan with the D series. Just ordered my FT450. Gonna use it on my 95 Civic D15B7 AUTO trans while I build another motor I have.

[@urgandma]

Hey man, what happened to your Kseries transmission how to guide? There no other video on KZbin that was that thorough, but it just suddenly disappeared

[@1904xSoCaL]

I need one in my life, I got 2 different k series k20 & k24 and it would work for both with one hardware I'm in

[@cigrafix2]

Please educate yourself when it comes to the fueltech line. Ft450 can control vtc, also it comes with a 7 bar map sensor.

[@cracklingice]

IMO the dozen gauges in the the JDM cars is less about the data than it is about the look. Personally, I like my original cluster. I would rather use an output off a standalone to blink the check engine light and pull a tablet out than see the touch screen. If I suddenly found myself with an unlimited budget, I would most likely go Haltech.

[@Drizzy012]

Hey I’m interested in the wire where ft450 harness. You got a price on them ?

[@Night_Roamers]

He said y’all got Nokia in your pockets 😂😂😂

[@LeonBuilt]

Do haltech vs aem infinity and other ecus against fueltech

[@sketchyhondas8061]

Mike can you please mention how much better the software is vs smanager? I have so many bugs, glitches and crashes with smanager. Nothing worse than going to tune your car and the software just flat out doesnt work.

[@single_cam9199]

It seems so complicated to set up like the single cam crank signal is in the distributor on z6…. So I have y8 lower and upper but running my z6 harness and distributor.. my y8 crank sensor is still in location. I love the whole aspect of learning to wire but does fueltech wire harness come with the braided loom to cover the wiring or is that extra also. And what about the map does it have pre configured base maps to upload, and all my gauges become useless fuel pressure,oil pressure ect..ect… < 100.00$$$$$ out the window Is there a kit that comes with everything bundled,, wideband,oil pressure, flex fuel , wheel speed, shock,egt’s ,hot side back pressure. what is the number on this type of setup,and what model is best suited for what I’m trying to do And the data is limited at 160🧐but is something new coming….. I’m still on gen1 from wang

[@wickedsatan1]

No knock control in fueltech ECUs

[@ToryTyler]

i'll probably go with fueltech on my ed6 if my hondavert s300 ever dies. thanks for the q/a!

[@attackhamste]

i have a fd with fueltech 550 AND alot of gauges ( going for 2f2f style ) :D

[@mahp3039]

Feed me the info on fuel tech I want one for my SI now instead of k pro.

[@benog48]

That's why I went with Fueltech 550 instead of Hondata S300. Anyone with a sleeve built turbo motor or race motor. Should go with a standalone. Don't cheap out on your Emanagement system and injectors..

[@gurshanvirk8496]

You mentioned VE vs MS tuning but both s300 and Fueltech use mili second, Fueltech doesn’t have volumetric efficiency

[@Pro4yu]

AEM infinity on deck for my 90s hondas

[@singlecams]

is there stock maps that can be downloaded for fueltech

[@sketchyhondas8061]

No but it does build a basemap which is enough to start it so you can get it on a trailer to your dyno

[@singlecams]

@@sketchyhondas8061 it would be awesome if there were stock maps or like b series maps because I'm very intrested in it for more the analog sensors and dataloging than tuning on a stock b series.

[@AC-bf9dq]

Have 90 CRX SiR w/ B16. I want to convert to COP. Will FuelTech allow that? If so, how?

[@c_boogie401]

From what I understand, just change the parameter how Ignition is delivered. Just ordered a the 450 for my D15B7 and was planning on doing a COP swap. I would assume the same way with the VTEC control would be the same.

[@Mlim90]

I live in a state with emissions, can i use fueltech and still pass emissions?

[@Andy_Built]

Big no! Fuel tech is an off road use engine management computer

[@user-pwfus]

Ok where I am from like most others we street drive our cars so we cannot have our stock dash not working and gauges not working it is against the law but fuel tech is a great idea.

[@TrackSol]

Most modern digital dashes show speed, rpm, temp, fuel, check engine, blinkers, high beam, brake, etc., and some of them even have mileage.

[@miahzzeebest701]

Will the fuel tech work on a F20b with nitrous?

[@diymike]

Yes

[@Thispony85]

What about for j swaps? Which unit will work better?

[@diymike]

You might need a FT550 for a j swap. Plus it has a sick nitrous control ….. murder people at the track

[@JG39697]

@@diymike will it work for the drive by wire j series also?

[@Balakay9435]

Still need a xxl crx shirt.

[@t.j2881]

I dont get why this is so hard for people to understand.. Our local tuner has been saying it for years. For one Hondata is out dated. And two its extremely overpriced compared to running just a chipped p28 on HTS or Neptune or even a Demon board. If you're not going to be tuning the car yourself you don't need Hondata or any other emulator, just get a socketed p28 or equivalent. And now with all these lower priced stand alone units coming out, Hondatas days are numbered. If Hondata wants to survive theyre going to have to adapt and lower their prices significantly. Or else they'll fade into obscurity within the next few years as the market and technology progresses. I have an s300 now, but I only use it becuase it works and i got it cheap. And now I'm super paranoid about the capacitors leaking. When i store my car in the winter i take the ecu out bring the ecu inside because im afraid the drop in temp may cause a capacitor to leak. These are the things people don't think about. If I had the money I'd be running a newer standalone.

[@rodnutz34]

Can fuel tech read gps speed???

[@MrDat1azn]

Yes sir!!! 100% on this. In the near future for sure.

[@alfredog432]

It depends on power goals honestly.

[@mrhyspeed8769]

DBW, Electronic WG, boost controller, closed loop

[@naytattoos1239]

Will it fit my 8th gen fa5 ???

[@carloszapien9296]

i believe it requiers a jumper style setup to make sure most of your internal devices (a/c) will still functions. so like a 2 ecu set up

[@ConcordEditing]

so basically the ft450 won’t work with k series

[@4door_papi]

Not true😊

[@billylee1318]

🤣🤣Love the video.

[@Pro4yu]

CAN-BUS is awesome

[@Pro4yu]

Jetsons vs Flintstones 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@gainesinlife]

You are talking retail prices on hondata, just search the groups and you can find an s300 with COP BBG for 5 to 600 total and its plug and play. If you have thousands of dollars then yeah buy the new tech, but for the average guy Hondata is cheap easy, and plug and play.... Why cant there be an app for your smartphone that runs as an ECU and you plug it into a USB adaptor thing that you connect the main harness into. Probably all smartphones from at least the past 10 years are fast enough to run as an ECU.

[@jakech12345]

Where are the options on fueltechs software to pull up a vtc cam angle map? Hondata is so simple you simply click on vtc map lol

[@diymike]

hondata takes forever lol, there are like 20 different VTC maps for low cam and high cam... for each degree 0, 10, 20 etc etc... imagine tuning that on a Dyno and paying by the hour.

[@jakech12345]

@@diymike oh I realize that. So with this you're basically keeping the motor at 0 cam the entire time? So not getting the benefits of variable cam timing?

[@nickramos9636]

fueltech is the real deal. 🔥

[@SpawnzFx1]

4G63T

[@nitronick1220]

Lmfao at the guy that said fuel tech is trash, just look at what the cars run that use there stuff. more of them hold records then any other software…sounds like he’s just mad he or whoever tuned his car on fuel tech doesn’t know what they are doing.

[@tetracontrol]

You don't need all this args, just show the records, prettymuch all records holders today rans Fueltech. Its OK if they dont like it but they gonna get gapped by someone who does.

[@Pro4yu]

New software vs old software Standalone vs piggyback Iphone 12 vs iPhone 4..its all basic maths🤔

[@spartamontagemdemoveis2143]

O mundo mudou Ou voce usa fueltech ou fica para tras

[@single_cam9199]

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[@Dashone93]

Can u piggy back it

[@TheChristiondavid]

fueltech all day.

[@greasychinesef00d]

I regret buying kpro. Where was this when I was looking for engine management.