r/Antiwork - JOB OFFERS BE LIKE...

[@MarijnvdSterre]

If a company is always hiring, they don't have to be "always firing", good chance the work conditions are so horrible that people constantly quit.

[@XanderHarris1023]

80% turnover in every warehouse I have worked in. That's what happens when you will hire anyone and then they figure out they have to actually do work. It isn't for everyone and that is OK. Not saying places like that are immune to bad work conditions and bad management but the people that go on their first break and never come back usually have a problem with the work itself.

[@kempolar9768]

My first ever job at 17, go in not sure of what to do so I ask the people around me questions. I quickly find out that there are only 3 people who have been here longer than 2 weeks (out of 30), I keep working and end up getting forced into a mandatory 13 hour shift without overtime when my normal shift is 9 hours. They just wouldn't let us leave. I am fucking terrified of any jobs with a high turnover rate now, I might be desperate for a job but thats not a route I'm willing to take.

[@chatboulon743]

This is true. I made it a habit of never learning a new employee's name until after two weeks because most of the time, they quit.

[@Daelyah]

@@kempolar9768 Isn't that illegal, in some states?

[@kempolar9768]

@@Daelyah No clue about the US, this was in New Zealand. As for whether it's legal in the contract there was something about "may require extra work time depending on how busy the store is" or something to that effect. Since it was my first ever contract I just signed it, so technically I consented to it though I really didn't know what I was getting into.

[@SSBGogetaFTW]

You know the saddest part of the “discourse” around raising minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour in America is that it’s not even that good. Granted I live in a particularly expensive state, but I make 15/hour and I cannot afford an average STUDIO APARTMENT without 2+ roommates. And here’s all these companies screaming and crying about being forced to pay that much.

[@bashboi4074]

Besides it's really meant to be $27.50 an hour

[@15stargamer98]

The minimum wage was defined as being the minimum livable wage for someone to raise a family off of. So yeah. Just a bit of history.

[@fireypassion13]

People who have a problem with 'minimum wage workers' making the same or more than them have bigger issues than their shitty opinions. If you think you're worth more then SURPRISE demand it. Capitalism (thoroughly watered down) is about supply and demand. Companies demand, you're the supply. You dictate the cost of your time and effort. If they cant afford you, that is their problem.

[@15stargamer98]

@Linda Les exactly. And it should be enough to at least live one person off of.

[@Nostripe361]

@@fireypassion13 the problem is that no companies are offering more. They don’t need to worry about having no money for food or bills at the end of the month; you do. They simple wait you out till it’s either take a trash deal or starve. Not to mention some of them use Hollywood accounting and legalize to further make it difficult for workers to get a good deal.

[@caidalee1994]

“Why are you passionate about getting this job?” “I’m not, but I’ll show up on time, I’ll work hard and get things done, and won’t cause problems.” I will never understand how that answer isn’t acceptable.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

"I'm actually the kind of person who's infinitely more useful when I'm *not* passionate. Passion is my failure state, not my success state. Anysuch, if you want someone who'll finish the work you have properly, get you results, and won't cause you any issues, then I'm a great pick for this job."

[@dmgroberts5471]

I usually push my professionalism and experience over passion. I have passion sometimes, sure, but that's not what let's me sit down for 8 hours and drill through repetitive tasks without burning out.

[@batking4342]

❤❤ hard agree with this! Ill take almost any shift i can!

[@ceu160193]

Because it means, that should your superiors try to milk you for more, than you signed up for, you are likely to quit without second thoughts.

[@hooting-ton5215]

Yeah... when I'm 'passionate' about something I tend to waste time studying it and learning about instead of actually doing it.

[@riles_doodles]

Surprisingly, the phrase "no one wants to work" has been going on for over 100 years. This subreddit is a perfect example of why we've been saying it.

[@DrumWild]

True! This doesn't seem like anti-work, so much as it is about dickhead bosses.

[@franl155]

It's on a par with "The younger generation these days has no respect" - ha, even Aristotle complains about it.

[@tomwilson8637]

No one wants to work is business code for , I want someone to pay me to make me rich and kiss my ass

[@Jasmin-lg3gf]

Sensation! Sumerian clay tablet with the text "no one wants to work" was found!

[@drtaverner]

Nobody WANTS to do shitty jobs. Nobody ever WANTED to do that. They even invented a story in Genesis to explain why people do shitty jobs to start with.

[@Stars-At-Night]

"Why are you excited to work with our company?" Well, you see, I've always been passionate about being able to afford food.

[@Random-sk6hm]

And I love using dynamic synergy to live under a roof.

[@AndragonLea]

Last time I checked we still didn't manage to create a post-scarcity utopia where rent, bills and food costs don't exist, so until it does I guess I'll just have to sacrifice 8+ hours of my time to someone else's pyramid scheme. Tag, you're it.

[@dmgroberts5471]

Well, I'm very excited about being able to buy something to go WITH the ramen.

[@WestGarbage6]

Me personally I'm quite enthusiastic about the idea of being able to afford a months worth of rent.

[@Leshantra]

Not to mention the warm feeling of not having a cold home where I freeze to death.

[@phoenix55755]

The "Don't discuss your pay" is actually illegal in the United States. Most people don't know it, because employers go out of the way to hide this fact.

[@Random-sk6hm]

Good to know

[@ravenmagic5]

Be careful with this though. Employers can ban talk of payments during your shift in certain places, though they cannot ban you from doing so on your personal time ie lunch or before you clock in or after you clock out.

[@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe]

Can you tell us what the punishment for this is, as the cherry on top?

[@ravenmagic5]

@@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe most likely a write up at worst, but in some at will states in the USA they can legally just let you go without reason. If you can prove it was due to the talk of payment you can sue them for wrongful termination though. It's kind of a double edged blade if companies decide to be "imprudent"

[@triopsate3]

@@ravenmagic5 Well the issue is proving it was wrongful termination. The reason companies pull this BS is because the risk reward of doing it is so heavily distorted towards the reward side that it literally doesn't make financial sense for the company to not. Let's face it, a company has more to benefit from the 99 times they successfully pull off something illegal towards their employee to save money than the 1 time they get caught and have to pay a nominal fee.

[@forbidmenots2970]

the only place I worked that was "like a family" was a Pizza Hut where we all got paid 8$ and hour. The manager was a satanist and the nicest guy in the world, driver was a recovered meth addict, and the CSR was a teen father. Best people I ever worked with. I got lucky.

[@kissit012]

That’s sounds fun

[@forbidmenots2970]

@@kissit012 the best days of my life so far

[@elciervoparaguayo3756]

Sounds like a nice cast for a tv show

[@forbidmenots2970]

@@elciervoparaguayo3756 it would be lol.

[@indeeditiscirro]

I'm confused is this ssrcssm

[@thatedsrunner8703]

The company I used to work for described themselves as a family. They fired me after finding out that I am trans and autistic. The company I work for now has never described themselves as a family. They are giving me paid time off for top surgery, and have let me come into the office to quietly hide under a desk when I am overwhelmed until I'm ready to go back. They also dropped a client after I told them that they had made me uncomfortable because, and I quote "I don't give a fuck if we drop 20 hours a week if that 20 hours makes my staff uncomfortable. We can get other clients, we don't want to get other staff".

[@WarriorLionstripe]

Your company sounds awesome!

[@BlueTressym]

I'm glad you found employers who know how to treat their staff like human beings and not disposable commodities.

[@ethribin4188]

If your company supports their workers like thus, their workers do a good job. Period. So why dont companies take care of their workers? Idk....

[@BlueTressym]

@@ethribin4188 prob because many companies see workers as disposable assets and figure that as long as the job is being done, that's good enough.

[@WarriorLionstripe]

@@BlueTressym That sounds about right.

[@Someone-dv7hw]

I will never forget the quote of one of our profs at university... "indeed, we do not have enough nobel price winners willing to work for minimum wage"

[@momoshikadora]

My mother works in a legal office. She's on a secretary paycheck, but she does almost 90% of the job the actual lawyers are supposed to. The boss didn't raise her paycheck of course. So after some unsolicited complaints from said boss she goes "if you don't respect me for my work I quit!" Instant panic. But she earned the right to come and go to work as she pleases, she can can skip days in a row and nobody peeps about it. She made herself indispensable. That's enough of a raise for her.

[@fionafiona1146]

My mom works from home, parttime, 30 weeks last year and has the money that used to go towards the mortgage left over these days...I am jealous

[@WhiteWolfos]

@@fionafiona1146 out of curiosity, what kind of job does she have?

[@fionafiona1146]

@@WhiteWolfos "Accountant" but she is part of the software transition team and has been translating their needs to programmers

[@gravyz2cute4u]

@@fionafiona1146 that sounds amazing and I hope her employers realise how valuable her work is! Getting the programmers on the same page as the end users is really important and has such an effect on the usability of the software :)

[@fionafiona1146]

@@gravyz2cute4u if they don't keep that up firing her is extremely difficult

[@jacobe2187]

Just want to point out to everyone, at 17:30, that shit ain't just shady, it's illegal. So if you discuss your pay with coworkers, and you are reprimanded for it, you can and should sue, or at least file a grievance

[@15stargamer98]

This is crucially important for any employee to know. I actually have my own story about that too. I worked at a place where they were advertising a 13.25 minimum wage publicly as a big incentive for working there, when that's a bit more than the minimum wage where I live. So, I took up the offer because it's useful and I could have used the money. I once made a friend at work, and one time we were talking about wages, and they said they were making 11 an hour, which is just barely over minimum wage, and I talked about how they were openly advertising 13 an hour, so they should really call out the company on their BS. That employee left shortly after, and yeah. I'm glad I let them know that, and let them make their own choice of what to do. So, uh, yeah. Bust their shit open. Talk about your wages, make it known. Because if there are any employees getting underpaid, they'd like to know that. Who knows, you might be the one being underpaid, and the only way to counter that is talking about your wages.

[@demiviral95]

actually depending on where you work that's not entirely true. You can and should discuss your pay with coworkers outside of work, but your place of employment can generally decide what can and can't be discussed while at work, especially in states with no Right to Work laws.

[@Neon-yj9xw]

You think people working for those companies can even afford to sue?

[@gruffen4]

@@demiviral95 Federal law states that employers can't stop you from discussing wages with coworkers. It's one of the things strikers and unions got us in the early 1900s, and businesses have been tirelessly trying to get us to forget it since.

[@strawberry_punch_art]

maybe it depends on your law system, in my country it works like this "it's illigal for the employer to discuss their emplyoeeS wages with the emploees", so the company said that in such a dubious way that makes you think you can't talk with coworkers. Then they count of you being too scared to talk and other ppl too scared to answer, since ya know, we don't have internet to verify that either

[@Blixthand]

In the 90's in Sweden my grandpa's workplace were cutting down on staff and they decided to put him in early retirement (I forget exactly when this was, but he was over 55 but not yet 60 if I remember correctly). He didn't feel like retiring right then, even if probably could have financially. He enjoyed having something to do and didn't enjoy the though of spending a lot of time alone for 10 years waiting for grandma to retire. First he asked what options he had at his current work, and they said he could either retire or get fired, so of course he chose the early retirement, but rather than having to apply at a new workplace and learn a bunch of new procedures in the ever more technological 90's, he decided to just start an independent business and just take the jobs that came his way that he felt comfortable with. Then his old workplace came crawling back, realizing they needed his expertise and long-time knowledge, and asked him if he'd be willing to come back and work for another few years and help the new guys get into the system. He did agree to work for them, but made them hire him as a contractor through his new firm.

[@F4kefy0]

your grandpa sounds like a good person.

[@stantheman9002]

About 6 years ago at my work, we had about 15 temporary contractors and they got talking about wages. They found out that all of the women were making around $15 while all the men were making $20. They all thought it was BS and threatened to sue the contracting agency. Suddenly, EVERYONE got raises to $22 an hour. It was a win all around.

[@WinterPains]

I'm proud of them

[@Frogboyaidan]

Based

[@Kyra-qn3nh]

This is why people should talk with their coworkers about their wages.

[@n3Cr0ManCeD]

@@Kyra-qn3nh Very true. Lots of companies try that "No talking about wages" BS and most, if not all, know darn well that they are prohibited by law from doing it.

[@Random-sk6hm]

Took the W. Coworkers should ALWAYS discuss wages cos these bosses shady af

[@DarkusZarvix]

I'm pretty sure it's also illegal to put up signs that say you can't talk about your pay or to organize with other employees for raises or to strike. It's something you are VERY within your right to do but they don't want you to.

[@elliotgreason1364]

This is, in fact, illegal. In the US at least. According to the National Labor Relations Board: "Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA or the Act), employees have the right to communicate with other employees at their workplace about their wages."

[@cutesquidthulu9659]

Yes, in the US, it’s illegal for employers to say employees can’t discuss their pay. They say it’s because you’ll resent the person making more… but you’ll actually get mad at the company. I found out the best person on our team, the one that won all sorts of awards, was making $5/hr less than me and the guy that was slacking was making $5/hr more. Yeah, I got pissed at the company.

[@runo4155]

I think they can put up signs but it's illegal to punish them for it

[@elliotgreason1364]

@@runo4155 This sounds correct. I'd wonder if you couldn't get them in some sort of trouble for doing this even if not legal trouble but I'm not certain. I'd find it odd if they were totally allowed to mislead their employees into thinking they could do something to prevent them from discussing pay. Then again, US law often makes no sense.

[@The_Keeper]

If they work in an "at will employment" state, they CAN fire them. For any reason, and at any time, with zero notice... The U.S. is just great, isn't it...

[@UnstableEquilibrium]

There's even more to the guy that had a panic attack. He was brought in the next day to a disciplinary meeting where he had *ANOTHER* panic attack. Then he was fired for his "behavior".

[@HeliophobicRiverman]

Blimey... that's bad

[@shadowlotus6189]

If I had to be dragged in to a meeting where I'd be screamed at for having a panic attack from something happening when I EXPLICITLY SAID didn't want it I'd have to be dragged out by SWAT, and they may have medical bills more expensive than that lawsuit was

[@ferretqueen2908]

One time I had a panic attack at work, I was pulled to the back and all they did was talk about cutting my hours while I was freaking out and crying. They also thought I would be okay with going back on the job right after. F*ck The Fresh Market.

[@TReyeHD]

A friend of mine owns a local bakery and he's getting a lot of customers there. Back then when I was looking for a job my friend told me that I could work for him if I didn't find anything decent. Went to an interview with a big company, Bosch, and had a nice chat with them. And they said I'd be a good fit for the team. All this time I had my smile on, talking clear, making eye contact, showing that I'm worth it. Until they told me the pay. 12.98 an hour. This had to be a joke, I thought. I know people who work there and they were getting paid at least 18 an hour. I asked them if that's all they could offer. They said yes. I called my friend, put him on speaker and went: "How's it hanging? You still got that spot?" "How much they offer you?" "12.98 an hour." "16 an hour. Wanna start tomorrow?" "Deal. See ya tomorrow." And I up and left, telling the company good luck. They had the contract on the desk, ready to be signed. It felt glorious.

[@jasonellis4330]

The fact that they had the contract for you to sign right then... as if they weren't expecting you to (or didnt want you to) take the time to carefully read it over... just another red flag

[@marialindell9874]

200 likes

[@HeliophobicRiverman]

Boss move!

[@bradigan]

These managers are disgusting. I just had to move back in with my parents at age 27 because up to this point, I've made no progress in building savings. And I make more than double minimum wage in America. This country's work culture is horrible.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

It's not a work culture, it's an abuse culture 💀. And the abuse part isn't restricted to work 😬.

[@me0101001000]

Management and Human Resources people are two kinds of people who I do not have the slightest modicum of respect for. They are overpaid, underqualified, and get drunk off of the slightest amount of power.

[@martialme84]

No, no, *you're #1! murcia frigyea!* ...says me in my "socialist hellhole" of western europe that would pay my rent if i was out of a job and gives me free health care and education and job training and pretty incredible social services and keeps my employers on the straight and narrow and my landlord too...^^

[@ZeorikDragon]

@@martialme84 Get outta here you dirty socialist! KZbin is an AMERICAN company, so no spouting your pro-socialist nonsense here! Healthcare, landlords... Mnmhnmmhnmmnmmmph

[@confusedcay8845]

@@me0101001000 I was looking into college degrees cause I didn't know what to choose and have really bad grades human resources had one of the lowest entry qualifications and was super cheap too compared to most other degrees If people like me can do it it's safe to say they are vastly underqualified to be in that position

[@smoldragon339]

I love being a victim by *checks notes* Taking a few days off work to mourn the death of a loved one

[@hexonyou]

i remember having to have the funeral home sign off on a form that I was there for my grandfather's funeral (after having been unable to see him prior to his death due to *checks notes* oh yeah, not being able to afford taking time off work because I have to feed a family). Looking back on the shit jobs I've had makes me extremely grateful of the place I'm at now tbh

[@jayive34]

My grand dad died while I was on a shift in 2021. They let me leave early to go mourn with my family.

[@nobodyimportant6582]

Yep. Last job fired me after having an emotional breakdown cause they denied me bereavement

[@WestGarbage6]

@@nobodyimportant6582 "Hey I need a few days off to mourn the loss of my family member who died yesterday while I was one shift" "Nah go fuck yourself" **Has an emotional breakdown** "Fired" the logic astounds me

[@NootandBoots]

@@jayive34 dang you lucky to exist

[@raex839]

Reminds me of that one tweet that said: " “No one wants to work” is wild. No one has ever wanted to work. It’s literally the worst punishment God can think up for Adam. "

[@tonyhakston536]

I want to work, I just don’t want to work FOR someone. Personal projects are really satisfying.

[@raex839]

@@tonyhakston536 SO TRUE!!! One thing I have learned in my 26 years alive is never to make my passions/hobbies my job. The minute something becomes a _task_ that I _have_ to do with a deadline, I lose all interest!

[@kakashiXAino]

Workaholics love working

[@Ramsey276one]

Depends on the work Ever heard of MINECRAFT? Shocked Alex: is that THE BASILICA OF… Motivated Steve: [accomplished builder noises] XD

[@Nerobyrne]

what people don't want to do is work for people where they generate a lot of wealth but get to keep barely any of it. People work all the time. Granted, there are fields where you need to incentivise people to work or it won't get done, but that's a more complex topic than fits in a tweet ^^

[@piedpiper1185]

All our lives, we are told 'Hard work pays off.' Then we grew up and realized nobody ever said we would be the ones getting paid.

[@kempolar9768]

After just 2 years in the work force and seeing this shit with my own eyes, by far the most important thing is connections. If you have connections then everything is insanely easy for a high payout. If you have no connections then its constant bullshit rewarded with the legal minimum they can get away with. If not for the government enforcing some human rights, companies would be very happy to literally buy and keep literal slaves.

[@laznishashazmaul5462]

That should be on a T-shirt or something.

[@RandomFandomDragon]

Dude, I felt that in my soul.

[@RGC_animation]

Hard Works pays off, for the higher ups!

[@gravyz2cute4u]

Yes! And lets not forget the recognition part. Oh, you've had to spend your whole day fixing up another team member's mistake? Now that you have resolved that issue and avoided a potentially disastrous outcome for the business, it's time to thank your manager or your manager's manager and the entire team for all of "their" efforts in preventing this. >_

[@ItMeSinamenRoll]

When I was 19, my boss accidentally posted everyone’s hourly rate on the bulletin board. I found out that I, a 4 year veteran who barely missed a day and picked up extra shifts all the time, and was the only person who knew certain positions made less than someone who had worked there 6 months and worked about half of the shifts he was scheduled for. Wages are fucked.

[@lynxlikestodraw2656]

Bro just hearing that kinda makes me wanna 👹👺👹👺👹👺👹

[@ItMeSinamenRoll]

@@lynxlikestodraw2656 yeah I left there and didn’t look back. I’m 30 now, and am making a good wage for my position.

[@Karambolage17]

​@@ItMeSinamenRollwhat do you do now?

[@ItMeSinamenRoll]

@@Karambolage17 I’m an accountant. Original post was from when I was in college and working fast food.

[@misteryman526]

The bus driver strike reminded me of a story about a power company worker strike. During the middle of winter, they went out and turned-on the power to all the homes who had been cut-off due to non-payment of bills, and then shut-off the power to the non-essential government buildings (like the city administration offices).

[@nbdjz1058]

oh my god this is beautiful

[@-alovelygaycat-]

I have to agree with the reply above this is indeed beautiful

[@ameliasellers6396]

These workers are absolute legends.

[@AlMcpherson79]

Meanwhile... Every office building and factory and warehouse with no one inside: 🌆🌃🌇

[@roognatehbloodedge6203]

So uh, what happened to the power company workers afterwards?

[@estherbeirne]

God I got in to an argument on tictocs with a "self made man" where he had said about the previous job that he had quit and then bought a house and went back in to education and then started a business. The problem was he was saying he did this off his own back but had also previously stated what his job was and how long he worked there for and where he lived. So it was easy to see that he wouldn't have enough money for any of it. He would be struggling to pay rent and feed himself from his income let alone put enough it to savings to afford a house. He then changed his story and instead of being a self made man. He was saying him and his wife were self made. He didn't want to admit his wife was the bread winner.

[@Ramsey276one]

YIKES

[@SlothDaan]

Can you imagine being ashamed of your partner.. 🙈

[@Sly-Moose]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nonyabusiness3619]

So, you actually got a liar on TikTok to tell the truth? Well done.

[@mr_waffles_the_dog]

Fun thing about the owner (or even a manager) wanting a share of the tip: In the US federal labor law says tips *do not belong to the employer*, it's explicitly theft.

[@Finn-rj7hz]

hell where i work even when our manager helps us out in the store (like even if he helps serve customers) he doesn’t take tips. cause he knows he makes more than all of us

[@walgekaaren1783]

"undisclosed competitive pay" - Minimum Wage with mandatory overtime "adaptive stress enduring staff"- You'll work 3 shifts while clocking in one "Loyal and family related community"- If you snitch about the conditions, you're fired.

[@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith]

"Fast paced work environment" - We will work you to death, and still think you aren't doing enough.

[@Ragonful]

damn😐

[@professorcube5104]

this entire subreddit is a perfect example why managers and bosses not being accountable to the workers that are working for them is a recipe for disaster

[@darkstarr984]

It really is, and I like to point out to discouraged members sometimes that pointing out these issues is absolutely a part of the mission in the subreddit.

[@Nonsequitoria2010]

Actual tip: if you're job hunting, aim for something specific instead of just searching whatever is available. Seaching, "grocery store stockers", or "hotel front desk", or "call center" will not only narrow down your options and keep you from feeling overwhelmed, it will also help weed out any direct marketing scams. You have to pick SOMETHING to stand for, or else you'll fall for everything. Also, chain hotels (Hilton, Marriot, etc.) are a REALLY good bet if you're planning to quit in a blaze of glory - literally all of them are hiring, in literally every department, and the pay might not be what it could but the relative peace and straightforwardness of the job are worth it in my opinion.

[@elecampane]

26:00 oh my god, that manager who complains about "entitled young generation" and requests employees to come in sick is even named Karen, that's just too perfect!

[@defiantdoctor2633]

You either die a Karen or live long enough to become the manager

[@elecampane]

@@defiantdoctor2633 the Karen-manager hybrid, the most dangerous of them all!

[@3osufdh4rfg]

@@elecampane "I want to speak with corporate!"

[@JennyEverywhere]

On a serious note, the bit about the boot socks reminded me of when my foster sister came to live with us. My parents liked to "take in strays" as they called it. Several times over the years, they unofficially "adopted" teenagers who were in really toxic homes and helped them finish school and eventually find work. I had two foster brothers and 2 foster sisters. The last of these strays, one of my foster sisters, had been living in a county group home for over a year because her parents had kicked her out at 15 because she didn't go out and get a job. The kickers were that a) they were actually adoptive parents themselves, having adopted her as an infant, and b) in our state, Illinois, you restricted from working by law, unless it was: 1) a paper route, 2) de-tassling corn at harvest time, or 3) working for a family business. You didn't get the ability to just go out and get a job until you were 16. So she couldn't have obeyed her mother's command to go out and get a job even if she wanted to. She went to the library instead...but came home to a packed suitcase on the porch and a note telling her to go away. The cops found her on the streets in the nearby city a couple of weeks later, and put her in a county group home. It was better than living on the streets, but barely. They made her go to high school, and the one she had to attend was the one in her parents' district. So she commuted by train from the town where the group home was to the town where the school was and walked to and from the train stations. I met her at high school, and thought she was a total stitch and a lot of fun to be with. So when the holidays rolled around, I invited her to come spend Christmas at my house. My parents even gave her gifts, a pretty yellow hoodie, and a big package of warm socks. I would have scratched my head if I'd received that simple a gift, but SHE was over the MOON with excitement! She put on the hoodie immediately, and was so happy with how warm it was, and she could put up the hood and it kept her head and ears warm, she started to cry. The socks, though, made her just totally break down and bawl. Not because she was sad, but because she was HAPPY. Those socks were the thick winter kind, like those socks OP got instead of a bigger bonus, so they were really warm, and there were a DOZEN PAIRS in the bag. She'd been wearing ratty sneakers without socks for months, even in _Chicago winter,_ walking to and from the train station to go to school. Her feet hadn't been truly warm in a long time, so those socks were one of the best gifts she'd received in years. My parents told the group home she was coming to live with us. We were closer to the school (turned out we lived only 2 blocks from her parents) and made sure she went. She graduated, and my parents helped her get grants and scholarships to a local college, not even a community college, a full 4-year college. She majored in pre-law, and was doing so well for herself by that time, she went to law school on loans and her own money. She became a lawyer, got her adoption records unsealed, and found out who her birth parents were. She contacted them, and they were glad to meet her in person. Turned out, her paternal grandfather was a famous author (not going to say who). She met her grandfather in person, and it turned out that her father hadn't been interested in writing, but SHE was a writer. Her grandfather changed his will to give HER the copyrights to his life's work. Sometimes rags to riches stories do come true. We talk once in a while. She's very introverted from the abuse trauma she experienced when she was little, so we only talk rarely. We're connected on Farcebook, so we can send messages when we feel like it. But I'll never forget how she lit up in joy, then started bawling when she got that big bag of socks.

[@Nina-cd2eh]

Rags to riches stories can be true, but they never happen just because someone just "worked hard". We seem to forget that people working *together* is what makes the magic happen. "it takes a village" and all that

[@desirosethorne4429]

That is such a sweet story! I am so glad that she got her second chance and that your parents are so lovely. Your parents remind me of the Weasley's, from Harry Potter, with how nice they are and how welcoming they are. Give your parents a hug for me ❤️

[@underwearmaintenance]

In Illinois you can get a job at 15 with a work permit from your guidance counselor. I worked at IHOP at 15 with one. Not cool. Your parents sound exactly like my mom. Stray cats and stray teens. I had to help support them.

[@nonyabusiness3619]

Dang. After you said she became a lawyer, I was hoping the next thing you'd say would be that she sued her abusive parents for child neglect or pain and suffering.

[@bethanydavis9023]

@@nonyabusiness3619 that'd be more of a karma story fit, but would be so satisfying

[@thedevilsadvocate788]

"You have to come in on your day off" "No, I don't." "Yes you do, or don't bother coming at all!" How does that work in their head? On both end, they are going to be short staffed, but instead of being short one day, they will be short until they find two replacements.

[@dmgroberts5471]

They're banking on you being in a position where you're so desperate you can't afford to lose that job.

[@WestGarbage6]

@@dmgroberts5471 typically though that gamble does not work, at least as far as I've seen.

[@dmgroberts5471]

@@WestGarbage6 It all comes down to personal circumstance in the end.

[@83gemm]

They can’t fathom that someone would quit.

[@JimmyJoeBob]

I think it's just plain old narcissism. They simply think that they are better than everyone else.

[@Novice_Maker]

My dad took his own life while I was at work. My coworkers first reaction was to take my keys away so I wouldn't drive home and have an emotional breakdown. My manager's first reaction was to offer to drive me home using a company vehicle. I went back to work 2 weeks after it happened, not because my name was added to a schedule, but because a covid exposure took out half of my team, and I decided to come back because they needed me. My relationship with the company I work at was directly related to how I was treated the night my life changed. I can't imagine what sort of pain it causes to have something awful happen and your manager says "well he's dead, he's not going anywhere, you can finish your shift "

[@elaexplorer]

My favorite "I paid off all my student loans in 5 years and here's how" story was her mother bought her a house. Then her mother, who owns a business, hired her making something like $180,000 a year. During the story she complains about the house her mother bought her wasn't big enough so she sold it and bought a bigger house and that's why it took 5 years instead of 4.

[@John_Weiss]

My eyes are rolling so much I can see my cerebellum.

[@gravyz2cute4u]

Exactly! And every other article is like, "this young 25yo owns 3 properties and was able to buy them by saving 50% of their income while living at home with their parents" smh.

[@Llortnerof]

@@gravyz2cute4u 50% of their insanely high income. Yeah, maybe this isn't quite as applicable to the general public as these rich people's kids think.

[@katharineeavan9705]

In contrast I remember reading a story about a woman who saved up for her own house by living for free in her sister's garden shed, never going out, not buying new clothes for two years, and living off something like £1 per day in food by eating stuff like a single tortilla 'pizza' (a tortilla with tomato puree and cheese) for lunch. According to the article, she then bought her house and "chose" to continue her frugal ways, including not heating her house, so that she could afford the mortgage she got with the paltry downpayment she saved through all her thriftiness. Girl starved herself, had no life for two years and STILL had to bum off her sister living in a freaking shed to afford a minimum deposit on her own house. A house which she will likely lose once she has to pay to fix all the damage from the damp no doubt trashing the building since she can't afford to heat it. And this was supposed to be an inspiring story of grit and hard work leading to success.

[@darkstarr984]

WTF. I’ll be able to pay off my student loans in roughly 10 years by living very carefully with relatives so I can pay down 1% of my principle monthly…

[@renatabarbosa574]

One time I had an interview and the HR lady asked me where I saw myself in the company in 5 years. I said "I've no clue, all I know is I want to be alive" She looked at me very serious and said "that's very honest" She hired me on the spot

[@Entity_in_your_walls]

That's one way to get a job-

[@Sarah-re7cg]

I fucking wish I could be this honest, this is amazing. I’m so glad you got the job.

[@eileensnow6153]

To be honest, it was probably refreshing to be around someone who doesn’t actively want to die 😂

[@widowkeeper4739]

I got written up for taking time off to deal with the aftermath of my mother's suicide. I was told quote, "You just kind of have to get over it." I left the company and pretty much everybody in the company made that manager's life hell when they found out about that one.

[@Seldser]

My sister works for a doctor. One day he went to the store and saw how expensive milk had gotten. The next day gave everyone in the office an immediate raise and promised another at the end of the year.

[@kaejuka6249]

Wow he sounds like a really good person to work fot

[@wilburdbrewer2409]

That is class war

[@Frogboyaidan]

Based

[@jasonellis4330]

@@wilburdbrewer2409 what?

[@OuchingTigerLimpingDragon]

Now that's what a boss *should* be like.

[@heartofthewild680]

Employers, here’s how to correctly ask someone to come in to work on their day off (or at least, how I would recommend doing it) Step 1: ask nicely (remember to say “please”) and explain why you asked. Step 2: tell them that if they do it, they’ll be paid overtime (or double their usual pay, whichever is greater) Step 3: if they agree, give them the extra pay that you promised in step 2, and thank them profusely. If they refuse, repeat the process with someone else. Do not penalize them for refusing. Step 3a: if you can’t find anyone willing to work for extra pay, do the work yourself, remember that it’s your fault if you can’t keep enough employees to run the place, and find out what you can do to improve working conditions and raise morale

[@jewels3400]

There are some moments that it wouldn't be the employers fault. Especially when you are considering small businesses. If an employee spontaneously decides not to come in (I've seen that), or an employee gets hurt in some capacity, you are naturally going to need someone to cover their shift. There are also some types of small businesses that are inherently fragile, and easy to get off balance. My uncle is a small business banker lol. He complains about his job more then he discusses, but there are moments of discussion.

[@heartofthewild680]

@@jewels3400 you’re right, it can’t ALWAYS be the employer’s fault, as there are exceptions to every rule, but in general, if double pay isn’t enough to convince your employees to come in when they have nothing planned, it’s a good idea to figure out why

[@feodorawicked5014]

Too many companies don't realize that a happy worker is a good worker. I remember when I was working fast food, I was talkative but I also got my work done. I excelled at that shit and was raised with a very good work ethic, yet I later on learned that those are traits that get used and abused. I suddenly had very high expectations and was punished whenever I failed to meet them, it was like I suddenly couldn't have off days or couldn't struggle. It came down to the point where I was often just expected to do certain things without prompt, expected to know how to do some stuff, was given extra responsibilities but no time to carry them out, and just expected to go above and beyond. One example of this was when I worked at McDonalds, I was tasked with cleaning the Orange Juice machine. Now, take in mind I joined when I was 15ish and was taught by a person who'd put in their two weeks. I later on found out that I was the only person, even out of all the managers, who knew how to clean the machine. Take in mind, it's not hard to clean. My managers always claimed that it had to be cleaned weekly, but as the person who cleaned it, I say it's more like at least twice a week. However, they rarely gave me time to actually clean it and insisted I did it "between orders", which in fast food terms means after you literally do the 12+ tasks that are meant to be handled by at least 2 people but they understaff and the managers will refuse to help you do. So, it just didn't get cleaned a lot- and honestly it probably was getting customers sick with the amount of mold that builds up there, and yet whenever I mentioned that to Managers they blamed it on me. They actively refused to allow me to teach another person how to clean it, despite me saying that the moment school started up I was back to working one day a week and thus would probably be unable to clean it often enough. So basically, never drink the Orange Juice, that thing has more mold in it than any other machine in that building. But overall, my treatment didn't get better at work until I was there for more than a year and thus developed the important skills of standing my grounds. I started calling out sick more often, mainly because I was both exhausted and actually beginning to get sick because they'd have me go hours without water, consistently forgot to give me my breaks, kept me for hours after my shift, and had me clean with harmful chemicals in tiny, cramped areas that caused me to get dizzy. I also began to prioritize my sanity while on shifts, and would actively stop going above and beyond unless I felt like it. I also utilized my parents who, after literally going through a year of their time being wasted because my managers refused to let me off anywhere near on time, eventually just began calling the store anytime 10 minutes had passed after my shift and demanded to know why their underage daughter was still working. My managers were not happy with my sudden confidence at work, and they were less happy when I quit on the spot and walked out one day after being scheduled a 8 hour shift starting at 6am and they'd neglected to give me a break. Take in mind, I'd literally made a schedule request to both not be working until 7:30 because I physically had no method of getting to work that early and not work 8 hour shifts because I could not take the strain of both school and work.

[@chancewill6910]

What, were you the only one ever working???

[@feodorawicked5014]

@@chancewill6910 Nope. I was just young and easy to abuse because it was my first ever working experience.

[@animeartist888]

It sounds so very familiar it's almost like you're telling my story instead of yours... It wasn't McDonalds, though, but the rest of it is spot on. Glad you decided to put yourself first (as did I about two months ago. Been driving Uber fulltime until I can find a job that actually values me as a person and not just as a number to fill the roster.) Best of luck to you in future employment.

[@magicmiya7545]

@@feodorawicked5014 I want to apologize. I know you weren’t one of my team members, as I have always valued cleanliness, but I was a manager at McDonald’s and feel a ton of shame about the way I encouraged my staff members to give endlessly for a corporation that wouldn’t give a crap about us in return. I started at 15 as well. I didn’t have family, my coworkers were my family when I started. I was so brainwashed into believing that giving everything to McDonald’s was “good”. Anyway, since I’ll likely never get a chance to apologize to the team members I mislead, I just wanted to say that I’m sorry. I’m sorry you had that experience and I’m sorry it’s so common. 😢

[@patriciamonje6741]

I'm so sorry that yoy had to deal with that. My fiance goes thru the same problems. He is very sociable and a very good worker. It usually ends up with him picking up everyone else's slack because they know he will do it. And then management decides that now it's his problem cuz they don't care who does it they just want it done. Forget that everyone else is just standing around and he's doing 25 things at once.

[@dascommissar5264]

“The reward for good work is more work” is a phrase that works in my martial arts dojo and NO WHERE ELSE.

[@dansegelov305]

I get frustrated with work here in the UK, but I can't even imagine how f***ing terrible it would be to have to work in the US. The complete lack of employee rights is utterly repulsive.

[@markfreeman4727]

US worker rights are written on a sheet of used toilet paper

[@ferretqueen2908]

It sucks. I work in a deli in a specialty food store. I'm frequently doing the work load of multiple people and I'm paid the least because the place is a revolving door and they didn't bother giving me a raise when they hired the new people for more. I'm also not allowed to keep a water bottle in the department and I've actually become lightheaded at work due to dehydration. I've had panic attacks in the store, anxiety attacks, and complete breakdowns but I can't leave because I can't drive.

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

Yup. AND, you should see our healthcare. Our "healthcare". 👹

[@elleumm]

I work for individual people rather than a company- meaning I’m technically “self employed” (thank you, tax loopholes). So I have no rights. For well over a year and a half, I worked 7 days a week, sometimes 60+ hours per week. No holidays, no sick days, no vacation days- and of course no health insurance. I’ve only recently found someone to cover a day or two here and there. Don’t get me wrong, I could find another job, but that takes time and energy to do, and I have neither. Anyway, it’s getting better now that I found backup- sorry to complain, but I guess that hit a nerve lol 😁 I do know at least one person who had it worse than me, but luckily in their case it was a 2 year agreement, so it wasn’t indefinite.

[@HelluvaSwiftie]

I work as a cashier in a fast food place, I was scared I would get fired today because I miscounted change. Luckily the customer was nice about it and I'm still employed

[@roku3216]

I once was told I was being fired at the end of the month for “incompetence”, but they wanted me to first save a 2 million dollar project (that someone above me had hopelessly screwed up). Turns out “incompetence” was code for “might be gay”.

[@barondystopia]

I would hope that you didn't help them save that project?

[@roku3216]

@@barondystopia I did, and then I left hidden nasty messages in the data that told others what they had done, had the hardware guys busy all day replacing motherboards by playing a simple prank, and dropped a dead moth in the firing supervisor’s coffee.

[@abadgurl2010]

@@roku3216 did you sue then for discrimination?

[@roku3216]

@@abadgurl2010 Not with my no-income vs their entire team of lawyers.

[@Lastofthesigilites]

I'd have just replaced the whole project with massive amount of porn then auctioned the project off to their competitors.

[@blackstarninja6785]

Ugh, worked for a bank once, they informed us as a “team building exercise” we would be comparing sales numbers at the end of the month and whoever was lowest would be up for a review and possibly let go. The manager informed us that this was to encourage us to help each other and push eachother so we could all get higher sales numbers. As a merchant teller I would be incapable of keeping up with the other tellers, my customers were employees and did not have access to the accounts they were depositing into. I was told to try to get them to open personal products for themselves, and that this would be an “exciting challenge” for me. I used that month to find a new job and when I gave my notice my manager was upset, said he’d never meant to fire anyone, it was just to encourage us to go to extremes. He then offered to give me a cut of the monthly bonus he was receiving for my over two year perfect till balancing record…that I had no idea he had been receiving. Needless to say, I did not stay.

[@chancewill6910]

"I'm gonna fire you." "Oh well I didn't mean it obviously."

[@mellsc9412]

Why is pushing people to go to extremes considered ok? I don’t want a job where I’m running on anxiety. Yes, people can sprint, but don’t expect them to keep it up a whole marathon.

[@BadPenny3]

When I worked at Things Remembered, we were all graded on certain metrics: item sales, engraving sales, multiple items sales, signing people up for the store card...you get the picture. In our particular location, I was one of two assistant managers and we had one manager above us in the store, and we all worked together to keep everyone's numbers up. As soon as my manager made his goals, he'd start putting sales under my or the other assistant manager's name. Once all three of us hit our goals, we all would send sales to the employees we were on duty with. Once everyone got their numbers for the month, we then kept our own sales. For the almost two years I worked at that location, I don't think any of us missed a single goal. It was nice working in a location where the people involved looked out for each other instead of letting the corporate bullshit drag us down.

[@Random-sk6hm]

If a company ever threatens to fire you or even more disgraceful, threatens to take away your health insurance, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. They WILL try it again in the future and you don't want them to constantly walk all over you

[@dmgroberts5471]

So a team-undermining exercise. That's called Stack Ranking, there's always someone on the bottom no matter what the numbers are, and it's a good way to destroy a previously functional workforce.

[@Archon762]

I have been in interviews where the company asks "Why do you want to work here?" and I literally just say "Money." with the follow up "Where do you see yourself in five years?" "I might still be here if I don't find something that pays better" and got the job for honesty xD

[@beave200]

I worked at a "luxury" apartment complex and the boss the day after I was hired said no more overtime to the whole maintenance department, then told us we had to do mandatory cross training all over the state at over locations and we wouldn't get any travel reimbursement. When we asked what happens if we refuse he said "you have your options and we have ours" when we asked for clarification he just shrugged and walked away. 1 week later we all turned in our resignations and had new jobs. I sent a very lengthy letter to the main office and boss man got his ass chewed out and he was left with no maintenance department for 2 weeks. Just a tidbit to employers don't threaten what you can't back up.

[@connorh6718]

Also about equal pay, it reminds me of something I heard a while ago. People who make more often worry about sharing how much they make because they think their coworkers will go "you're an asshole!" But in reality, when the coworkers find out they'll go "our boss is an asshole!" Always share how much you make with your coworkers.

[@ooshiikurai]

Aw man. 😂 As someone who is also autistic, I relate to being accidentally savage. There was one point, I came back to a bar I used to work at to visit my sister who was currently working there. And my former boss goes “hey did you come back cause you miss us?” And without thinking I said “no. I’m only here to see my sister.” It wasn’t until I saw the look on his face that this was one of those times where a polite lie would have been better.

[@mikethegoo]

I don't have a diagnosis yet, but I can relate to that kind of thing. Though honestly, I personally don't like to lie, except white lies. So I would have just not even cared if it was "unprofessional" or whatever. I don't work there anymore, I don't care about my old boss. He is allowed to know my opinion.

[@shadowlotus6189]

"where a polite lie would have been better" no! I'm proud of you fellow specific-brainiac! If you didn't like working there, and/or you were just there literally to see your sister, then those would've been the same exact words I would've used! WOO

[@natk1105]

It was possible he was making a lighthearted joke. At least that's how I would interpret it, although it's hard to say without context. Usually when someone asks me a question where the honest answer isn't very nice I just laugh and respond in a teasing tone, like I'm playing along with the joke. Definitely see how that could be a tricky one though!

[@jennyb9065]

Banning employees from discussing pay is illegal in the US. That's called a lawsuit.

[@Confron7a7ion7]

Which is why any time a boss says "the company doesn't like it when employees discuss pay with each other" I always just straight up answer with "inorder to keep our worth obscure, yes I know" and continue with whatever the conversation was. No boss has been stupid enough to press that with me... YET, and oh boy am I just waiting for the day.

[@McCammalot]

That's the National Labor Relations Act. Unfortunately, it does not actually cover every working American citizen. Not covered are: Federal, state and local governments, including public schools, libraries, and parks, Federal Reserve banks, and wholly-owned government corporations; employers who employ only agricultural laborers, those engaged in farming operations that cultivate or harvest agricultural commodities or prepare commodities for delivery; and employers subject to the Railway Labor Act, such as interstate railroads and airlines.

[@jewels3400]

@@McCammalot that is some really useful information. Everyone should keep that on their radar for future reference. After they fact check it and read everything out of course. Always check your sources.

[@neosunrider]

@@jewels3400 Don't know if this counts as a source check, but I worked for an American public school for seven years. Because of my lower position, I had to sign a contract for each school year. I'd have to dig out my old paperwork, but I remember being told we were not to discuss our salary with anyone (though my memory is vague whether it was "anyone on the property" or "anyone else that works for us"). I can think of One time when paycheck came up during our group lunch in the breakroom and we all kept it very vague on numbers because we were worried about what the higher ups would do. I still have no idea if my pay was great for that position or not.

[@kiyokumabear]

@@jewels3400 Well it's the shitty jobs no one wants to do anyways, so I guess it's fine... gummint jobs CAN pay well, tho.

[@SilentlyNikki]

I have never been more confused at the stupidity of managers than at my first job. When I was hired the official start time was 7:30am (we dealt with several companies on the east coast while we were on the west coast). A few years later they made a big announcement that you could start work 30 minutes later if you put in a request. Apparently, some parents were having difficulties dropping their children off at school and other appointments. I am not a morning person so I went to request to start at 8:00am. My manager look me in the eye and said "But that isn't 30 minutes." I'm so happy that they made me a single point of failure in the company so I could blindside them with my resignation.

[@aaronmccullers384]

Honestly it boggles my mind that these managers get their positions. Like seriously, were they so good at lying on their resume that the company never verified whether these people were qualified? Such is the foolishness common in corporate workplaces. If you want to work under people that are somewhat reasonable/chill my suggestion is to go work in non-profits or for the government. People in non-profits (usually) are there because they actually care about the company's goals and government jobs are typically stable and don't have workplace politics messing things up (except at the top level obviously).

[@foxinabox5103]

Huh??? How did this happened??

[@sirshotty7689]

@@aaronmccullers384 I mean for the most part you’re probably right about government jobs, but my mother’s boss tried to deny her feca claim after she was injured while delivering mail. She fell down some stairs and had to get surgery done to her shoulder and she’s been recovering from her injury for almost a year now. She’s owed easily over $100k for the surgery, physical therapy, and recovery time but unfortunately my moms kind of a pushover so it’s hard to convince her to get her claim especially since this whole ordeal has put my parent bank accounts in a precarious situation. She does talk a lot about how nice her coworkers are but what her boss did was awful considering how it wouldn’t have even affected them at all.

[@theindigollama]

You didn't take into account basic work place math. Anything you want. Come in later. Start early. Leave early. That is multiplied by 50. Anything they want is best for you. They are family. You wouldn't want to inconvenience family, would you?

[@oobtty]

You can't be this bad at basic math, this is the pinnacle of idiocy

[@yehonatanduek8705]

6:28 the fact that no one is truly "self-made" is one of the things I try to remind myself as much as possible. I tend to feel really bad when people help me because I feel like dead weight. A couple of things I try to remember is that receiving thanks is often more satisfying than receiving an apology when the former is an applicable option, and that helping the person who helped you when they need it or showing the same kindness to other people is a much better way to show appreciation than beating yourself down for needing help.

[@animeartist888]

This. As someone who has occasionally helped some people financially, paying it forward is the best and most satisfying thing you can do. Take the help, get back on your feet, and when you're able to, pay it forward to someone else in need. Whether this means personally or just a donation to a charity doesn't matter.

[@notanarsonist7574]

I'm beginning to realize that the reason why most employers try their best to limit how much employees interact with each other is to avoid them making worker unions. Unions are companies' kryptonite

[@SevCaswell]

Any kind of workers rights is considered bad news to most employers, what they really want is mindless worker drones with no lives and no personalities.

[@WhiteWolfos]

I think it's mainly because alot of interaction causes a distraction and therefore, less work done in the end. After work? Sure. At work? Keep chatting at minimum unless it's a work requirement or during break. This makes sense- same with phone use.

[@notanarsonist7574]

@@WhiteWolfos that's the sort of logic you'd use in a school and the logic a lot of corrupted employers use to justify their stupidity. When ppl are talking at works it's either cuz their helping eachother or have already finished their wwork and are trying to pass the time, In this very video you can see that most power tripping employers are only interested in how long you work rather than your efficiency.

[@katzea.a7880]

@@WhiteWolfos it's absolutely ridiculous to try and limit human interactions in the workplace though, such an ignorant position of what it means to be made out of flesh as if we're machines

[@shannonstrobel6727]

@@katzea.a7880 I gotta agree with you here. workplace interaction is how work gets done. Humans are highly social critters and telling us not to chat a bit is like telling us to cut off fingers.

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

I'm retired now, due to illness, but the one piece of advice I'd give anyone is to save enough to cover your bills for 2-3 months and keep it in a seperate account where you won't spend it. Then if your employer/new manager puts unreasonable pressure on you, you won't be afraid to quit. Not feeling trapped in a soul crushing job is worth a thousand times what you will miss out on by saving this money rather than spending it on a holiday, car, TV or whatever you have to sacrifice. Oh, and go to interviews every few months to practice you interview technique, you'll be so much more relaxed knowing you don't need to get the job and who knows, you might get an offer you can't refuse.

[@foxinabox5103]

Thank you sir, I'll keep this advice for the moment im going job hunting.

[@RGC_animation]

Thank you kind sir.

[@RGC_animation]

@@RenTheWren You could maybe go look for jobs while still at the shitty old job and when you find a better one, leave and immediately go to the new one.

[@Sly-Moose]

This actually gives me an idea 🤔

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

@@RenTheWren Its not easy, sure, especially for young people. One of the big problems is being in a dead-end low paid job does make it hard to look for better opportunities because you're working so hard to make ends meet. You just need to keep your eye out for opportunities and keep your hope up.

[@AkiliClaireAmethyst]

If a job says they have a competitive pay, my heart sinks. It's "competitive" with other companies for being the lowest they can get away with.

[@justapanpirate]

I pay about 42$ for both health and home insurance here in Sweden, and since I couldn’t work they payed me about 700$ every month from 18y to 25y. Also payed for scars I’ll have for life and every hospital stay. The US system is disgusting.

[@embertheunusual8036]

I remember seeing someone on Reddit (and yea it was Reddit so take it with a grain of salt) say that companies purposefully add in those impossible experience level requirements so that they can *say* they offered it locally but there were conveniently "no suitable candidates found", which means they clearly have no other option than to outsource the job to a place that pays its workers way less

[@angelaburrow8114]

That happened to me, in a way, although it wasn't outsourced & it wasn't for financial reasons. I did teaching practice at a school as part of my postgraduate teaching qualification. There was a position going in my department the following academic year, when I'd have graduated. They asked me to apply, saying the job was mine if wanted it. I did, I'd enjoyed my teaching practice there & fitted into the department well. Doing that is against UK law, so they advertised in a small local rag whose paper came out 1 night & the closing date for applications was the following morning. I'd been told to apply 2 weeks before. Unsurprisingly I was offered the job as no-one else applied, although the governor who was in the interview (there are usually 2-3 interviewers in teaching in the UK, a member of senior management, a governor &, if there's a 3rd, it's someone from the department) hadn't got the memo & questioned whether it would be best to readvertise. I was sitting outside the interview room waiting for their response to my interview & could hear everything being said. The deputy head actually said "She's the only applicant because we want her to have the job. We made sure she was the only one to apply." The governor asked if it was legal, & the deputy head laughed & replied "Yes, we made sure it was legal. It's not our fault if other people weren't organised enough to collect an application form, fill it out & get it to us within 18 hours."

[@braxbro6674]

This is why we should be enforcing *American* minimum wage for all companies operating in America, regardless of if their employees are American or not. Completely disincentivize outsourcing by killing the savings.

[@juliameyer10313]

Outsourcers are awful. I (unfortunetaly) Work at a call center for a bank (one that came from a very big, German Car Brand that was publically involved in a scandal regarding the emissions of their engines). I make Minimum wage whereas the people who are hired directly make almost 3times my salary.

[@Nina-cd2eh]

I've seen that a few times for remote jobs. Its kinda a roundabout way to access the global market, without necessarily paying less. If they do pay less, well that's the fucked up part.

[@SuzanneRush]

It does happen. Either to justify outsourcing or to disguise nepotism hires (offer it to the 'only' applicant who just so happens to be someone they originally wanted but couldn't offer it to without a public posting and interview process, but who couldn't beat out others if those interviews happened and someone raised a complaint). More often though, it's plain old shitty hierarchies. The person making the listing is not the person doing the recruitment is not the person running the department, etc., and none of them actually understand the role they're hiring for, so genuinely don't know that the requirements are unreasonable. Then you have the handful of specialist jobs. They know that the people they want will still apply regardless, because they know the requirements are an 'error', but it culls the "click all the things with no intention of sticking with any of them" time wasters they believe will clog the application process. It does happen, especially in places where unemployment benefits require proof of trying to get a job, so making it unreasonable for those people to apply for theoretically restricts it to just actually qualified applicants, even if they don't meet the listed criteria, because they expect to be employed soon given their specialised skillset, and no one is going to be asking them why they bothered with that one.

[@luciferlampmuffin2879]

only had one good manager, she gave us a "free pass" once a month, mainly for lady issues tbh but if you went had a chat with her she was more than willing to do what she could to help you out. I could honestly sing her praises all day lol!! I hope she is having a good life where ever she is!!

[@Kfroguar]

"free pass" as in a day off? Because God do I wish I had that, working while being doubled over in pain is no picnic

[@LackOfHarmony]

Arnold Schwarzenegger gave a speech at a school's graduation where he denies being a "self made man". He talk about recognizing the people who helped him when he came to America and those who stood by him as he rose to fame. He said in some way we all help each other and that's how we should try to live to help lift one another.

[@sirwaylonthe1st239]

Honestly, Arnie seems like an amazing dude.

[@db_524]

@@sirwaylonthe1st239 Yep

[@db_524]

Nice, I love Arnie S.

[@__-fm5qv]

"you're both human" I think this is where you went wrong, middle-managers are gods in their minds and devils in the eyes of everyone else!

[@SevCaswell]

I think most managers are psycopaths, certainly the most 'successful' business people are.

[@jesperstoringgaard8367]

I've acturly met good middle managers :O

[@RGC_animation]

@@jesperstoringgaard8367 Well consider yourself one of the luckiest people in the world.

[@Llortnerof]

And closely related to slime molds biologically.

[@kawaiicharlie9650]

I used to work at an amazon warehouse and they bragged that they had a ping pong table and pool table for the staff to socialise at, however the breaks were so short that you didnt have any time to play them. It was only the managers who ever used them

[@Account_Not_Applicable]

I had worked in a lab for just over two years plating and analyzing molds. I worked as hard as I could, doing work that used to be a two person job done in 8 hrs by myself in only 6.5. My first manager was very considerate and spoke kindly of me. She ended up leaving to get back into teaching. My mom was admitted to hospital on a Saturday morning in Feb 2020, and we didnt know when she was to pass, so I took off the following monday and Tuesday just in case. I then worked and told my new manager that in the event of her passing, I would need to take off the day of and whenever her funeral would be. He obliged. I took off mid Feb for two days, using up what I had left of my PTO saved. In the three weeks following her death, my work started to suffer, a missed number here and there, taking a bit longer than usual to finish my samples so needing to stay an extra 30 minutes a few times, and needing more supplies than normal because of an increase in samples needing plated. I did my best to keep up with my normal quality and pace. Early March I recived a talk from my manager who told me to my face that if my work doesnt improve soon that I would be let go. My mom had only died less than a month prior. She had been terminal for months, then spent 16 days slowly dying in the hospital, while I still showed up to work for this guy. Yet he expected me to be at 100% quality in my work regardless. Had Covid not happened and I was let go eventually anyway, I would've quit two weeks later. Edit: I wanna add that while I wasn't asked to come back to work, some of my former coworkers had been, and majority of them declined. I can't imagine why some of their best employees would choose to not come back?

[@Andrani]

So true story, relating to the person whose dad died and was told to not play the victim - My mother used to work for Office Max, and a coworker had to go on bereavement because a close relative had died. One of the managers actually had the balls to tell the coworker, "We need two weeks' notice of somebody's death." The coworker's relative had been KILLED. If they had two weeks' notice of the death, wouldn't they have done something to, I dunno, prevent it?

[@jasonellis4330]

Even if someone is sick, there's so much wrong with that. 1) you Can't just predict when someone is 2 weeks away from death. 2) Why would they want to be trying to guess that?!

[@Random-sk6hm]

Also, 2 weeks notice of someone being killed without preventing it is erm a CRIMINAL OFFENCE.

[@MyNameHere101]

I must say that it's awesome that my generation (GENZ) knows about the story behind "dont discuss pay" and now we'll just hang around in the break room and talk about pay with each other.

[@mikethegoo]

I mean... I don't do it, but that's because I live in a different country, and because it's only a weekend/vacation job, as well as the fact that I know I get paid pretty well, I am the only one in my field who is there when I do my job (there's only one of us needed at a time) and I honestly just don't care. But if it was needed, I definitely would

[@ferretqueen2908]

Yeah that's how I found out all the new people make about $1 more per hour, making me the lowest paid in my department. Management of course gave no f*cks after I called them out on it.

[@jnewcomb]

Had a job that was giving me daily panic attacks from the stress. Gave them my two weeks notice, they said no, I had to leave right now, they didn't want me wasting space. Then they handed me a piece of paper titled Consensual Release and asked me to sign it. I read it and being only 19 at the time wasn't sure if it was legal mumbo jumbo or just mumbo jumbo that sounded legal so I asked what it was. "It says you quit and we didn't fire you." I said I wouldn't sign it. They argued with me for a full 10 minutes that by saying I was quitting gave them the right to terminate me early without it being classified as a firing. I said I would sign a piece of paper that said I offered my two weeks notice but that management had asked me to leave early. But they insisted I signed their paper so I decided to call my dad. He said 'don't sign it, I'll explain when you get home, just tell them you're still on the clock so if they would like to continue this discussion, I was willing to wait until end of day not to sign it and go home at my usual time.' I said okay, told the manager, she stopped arguing and let me go home. When I got home, my dad explained that it's a paper unscrupulous employers use against paying out unemployment benefits. If I'm fired I could collect unemployment, if I quit, they don't have to. If they had just let me work the two weeks, they wouldn't have put themselves in that place. So now they have an empty position for two weeks (I was working sales so less sales while the seat is empty), they open themselves up to an unemployment insurance increase if I took benefits during that time and they will have to train someone new before they can fill the position because it was entry level. I, on the other hand, already had a new job lined up so I didn't miss a paycheck and got two weeks of free time until I started the new job. I'm pretty sure I won.

[@Random-sk6hm]

Awesome. Also remember that literally no one, not the FBI not the NSA, not even the Queen herself has the power to make you sign anything. A signature MUST be voluntary and no one can ever force you to do so

[@becca1189]

Most places I that I'm familiar with don't bother with a Consensual Release. They simply cut the employee's hours down to practically nothing so that they quit. For context: I live in the U.S. & in a state that doesn't require a minimum number of hours for a position.

[@jnewcomb]

@@becca1189 I was in the midwest. The company didn't offer part-time positions so maybe that's why. It was also a regional corporation.

[@becca1189]

@@jnewcomb That makes sense.

[@cheerstoall3492]

@@becca1189 something similar happened to me 👀 I was with a company that contracted us out to other places but suddenly they got less offers and without any communication I lost work for four months without being fired. They started calling me back for same day shifts about 5 months after that because they were desperate and I was so confused, like I thought you had quietly fired me? I got another job people, no more time.😅

[@ordinarypigeon6918]

In most western countries it is completely legal to talk about your salary even if you’ve signed an NDA. It is not valid ground for termination either as ruled by supreme courts all over the place. Employers abuse you. Know your rights, abuse the corporations.

[@The_Bird_Bird_Harder]

And in the U.S. it's quite blatantly illegal to attempt to stop it.

[@jackingwads7513]

I had to argue with my mom about this she still thinks it's illegal to talk about earnings

[@johannaweichsel3602]

@@jackingwads7513 mine too, it's so weird

[@ordinarypigeon6918]

@@jackingwads7513 because it's still mentioned as a possible reason for immediate termination in a loooot of contracts. They honestly shouldn't be allowed to even put it there

[@randompanperson8061]

Honestly, during my interview for my first job I was told that they were "just like a family". I was a little nervous, but really wanted the job (good pay and was a job I knew I'd like). Got the job and I've never felt more loved and appreciated in my life. I am genuinely so close with all of my coworkers and boss, and know that they'd be there for me if I needed it, and I for them. I am so so glad I got that job, as those people are some of the best people I've ever met. Usually it's a red flag, but I got so lucky 💜

[@Ironysandwich]

I get that it's common courtesy and all, but I honestly feel that people like that "covid is no excuse" person should have their name, the company name, and contact info published as a public service.

[@RGC_animation]

Yeah, they don't deserve to be private.

[@gravyz2cute4u]

Post it as a review on Glass Door or something so everyone can read about the toxic work environments.

[@sakuraryuji01]

@@gravyz2cute4u and yelp if it’s a business you could physically buy goods from ;3

[@darkstarr984]

Antiwork doesn’t want to be shut down. They still have to play by the rules and courtesy like that is a big important rule, which is basically all that can get a community on Reddit banned besides causing a major scandal.

[@k.v.7681]

@@RGC_animation It's not even about deserving privacy or courtesy at that point. That boss is actively endangering society by promoting and even coercing people into dangerous behaviour. It is a matter of public interest that they are outed.

[@dorarandom7870]

I used to hate anytime someone asked me what my "dream job" is. Like, of course you should find something to do that you don't despise, it's just that I don't want my whole personality be my job. I don't have a dream job, I just wanna have time for my hobbies, a roof above my head and some food. If I have those, what I do as a job doesn't actually matter that much.

[@roseinskyrim]

~long ish post~ I quit my first and so far only job about seven years ago because of brain things-thought it was ‘just’ anxiety, burnout, and depression at the time-and eventually my parents informed me and we got an official test and diagnostic. We have since then went through two? Three? Connected but different disability vocation rehabilitation organizations. And they would constantly ask variations of that and I was just like. I don’t /know/, y’all and fam are constantly telling me there’s no perfect job. Part of my disability/brain things is I’ve NEVER(been able to) really had any motivation, goals, drive, focus, energy etc; I can’t just spout off some dream I don’t even know and I don’t know all that it requires… what do you EXPECT? And they could unfortunately only do things a certain way which is a bit ironic to me considering the whole disability stuffs. So they weren’t a right fit and I closed my cases with them and I’m finally trying to apply for Disability. It’s very. ‘Fun’. And because I’m ‘high functioning’, my mum still encourages me that I shouldn’t rely on it and should keep looking. Like a good five years or so of ‘looking’ did any good and now I’ll magically find that ‘perfect okay dream job’ that they’ve been telling me doesn’t exist???? I just can’t win.

[@dorarandom7870]

@@roseinskyrim Your choice of work is already limited and a disability just limits the choices more. The responsibility is always on the person, even tho it's not their fault that jobs aren't an accessible environment. There is literally no jobs that would go out of their way to be accesable for disabled people, because that is added work for the business. They can always just hire someone else and that leaves disabled people jobless, not because they're "complaining" or "lazy" or "are looking for excuses" but because they simply can not work in conditions they are given. They are not interested in you getting a better life, they are interested in profit, which you wouldn't bring as much when you are disabled. You brought none of this on yourself and it's so fu*ked up because we, people, in this society need jobs to survive.

[@Mr.Eous_Mann]

The biggest bruh I have about the "come into work or you are fired" situations is the fact that they usually just lost a staff member, so it's not like they can't pay extra for the extra work. They just decide to be a bish about it and lose their employees as a result.

[@Mr.Eous_Mann]

P.S. If I ever get to be a manager or any other position with some kind of control over other employees I would do a silly little thing for halloween. I would hang poster's with absurd rules everywhere and hang fake cameras on every corner. The workers(if they want to cooperate) would dress up in jeans, white shirt, lether boots and a black tie(basically a corporate slave outfit), and I would dress up in a red suit with a red tie and act as the devil. Funny little office halloween thing.

[@liora3260]

At my old job I was told that switching to cashier would get me a $0.25 increase. I was working two jobs so any increase seemed good to me so I took it. Then a coworker, who was also a cashier, wanted to talk to the higher ups about that pay raise because she heard differently and asked for my help translating for her. Apparently they used a convoluted system and basically when you switch to cashier it automatically adds $0.25 to your pay, but they later manually change it to $1 (what it's supposed to be). They immediately fixed it for her. I asked around and all the other cashiers never got the dollar increase because they were also told it was only a quarter instead. I tried contacting payroll and HR about it and was ignored/dismissed for about a year until I talked to a district manager who had just transferred to our area and it got sorted out in like a week

[@GreyPunkWolf]

"I'd rater deal with drunk guys than kids" Words from someone who hasn't experienced both, for they can be surprisingly similar.

[@Gabi-vt4ex]

As someone who has experienced both, they are surprisingly similiar

[@GreyPunkWolf]

@Rach Well yeah, that joke holds a lot of truth, otherwise it wouldn't be as popular. There's another saying around here that sums this up: there can't be smoke without a fire. If you hear a lot of people having the same issue, usually it's based in at least a bit of objective truth.

[@VincentTheBadGuy]

The big difference is I am allowed to use a bit of force on a drunk without everyone completely freaking out.

[@dantegreciante7984]

You can punch a drunk guy real hard if you want them to sleep.

[@GreyPunkWolf]

@@dantegreciante7984 Well, you can also do that with a kid. Both are at risk to die from it if it's too strong and it's basically the same sentence if you get caught. There are states where child murder is more heavily punished than regular manslaughter though. Eh. Still similar.

[@Phantom_Hivemind]

I love how people in japan are so nice that they can LITERALLY be on strike, but also don't wanna inconvenience others who depend on their line of work!

[@dmgroberts5471]

It's in their national character. This is a generalization, of course, but making someone else late for work, and thus making them look bad, would be unthinkable to most Japanese people. It's the same kind of cultural horror a British person would feel if they accidentally cut to the front of a queue, or an American would feel if their flag got blown away and ended up being trampled in mud. Some stereotypes are things.

[@depressedutchman]

In the Netherlands practically all public transport went on strike. I need to travel 50km (around 1+ hour with cycling time) I am a student that can barely survive my education. I am smart enough and help everyone, but I am just not fast enough. I came late everyday for about a month... I had to quit work and stop sports just so I could get my grades high enough. I hate the bus/train drivers for striking all at once. I hate that they didn't went on (just not asking to check in) so that thousands of people weren't late.

[@Doc_Rainbow]

Props to them... for real thats a very good strike! Here in germany there judt dont drive at all and noone can go to work with no car...

[@LanaVegana]

@@depressedutchman yeah it really sucks when they all strike at once. I remember Connexxion bus drivers doing it Japanese style multiple times when I was in secondary school (mid 00s/early 10s, at least in and around Amersfoort). The drivers just let us all in without stamping our strip cards and drove us where we needed to go. I hope they will resort to that again next time. I mean it's not our fault they don't get payed enough, and as a bonus we will support them instead of getting annoyed by them.

[@ragrabbit101]

So, this is a really great and genius way to strike but... For all thise wishing that their country's transport workers couldn't do this, please check if it is leagal. I'm from the UK They made striking in this way illegal Our transport workers have no other choice but to stop service completely

[@charlespentrose7834]

In grade 2 I was behind my classmates in schoolwork, so they put me through a bunch of tests to figure out why. They didn't find anything to explain it. When asked about it I said "When you finish the work they just give you more"

[@jamesvivian2855]

I learned this in year three

[@WooShell]

The "years of experience" shite is basically HR people having no clue about the people they're supposed to be hiring for.. which is /kinda/ okay since nobody can know everything about all the various jobs a company encompasses, but at least they should have stuff explained by the department leads then before blasting out the job advertisements. Especially with IT and similar fast-moving technical jobs, it's pretty common to get a job offer requiring 3 years of experience with some niche software that has only been published 2 years ago..

[@FinnFann]

Problem is sometimes they do and HR just really doesn't care. Company I went to told their HR they needed someone who was good at Javascript. The HR put up a listing for C#. That was a very awkward interview.

[@WooShell]

@@FinnFann oof.. that's a big fail, yes.

[@FinnFann]

@@WooShell The biggest of oofs, yes. Not a small company either. Though I guess banks don't really need HR who care about others, yeah?

[@nicholashernandez4611]

I worked at a great place before I moved, they had a set amount of certain items that had to be put together and the moment we were done, we cleaned up the area and went home. As long as you did your job and helped those who fell behind (some parts were more intensive than others), we could sometimes leave as early as five hours into an eight hour shift. The work was normally different from day to day, consistent, and the environment wasn’t bad at all. We could even set up the materials for next shift for an extra hour pay, took around 20-30 minutes and helped the next shift. Unskilled labor, pay wasn’t great but we did get paid. New manager came in, thought we must have been ripping off the company. All that nice stuff done for us? Gone. All the nice things we did? Mandatory. No water breaks, only a 15 minute and 30 minute lunch. No food or fluids in the work area, had to go to our vehicles to grab anything because the work area then became everywhere up to the security shack between the parking lot and the actual work site. At best, five minute walk to the nearest cars - even if you got through security fast. Docked 15 minutes if you were a second late and got warnings for everything. Morale? Gone. Productivity? Gone. Helping other shifts? Gone. Going above and beyond for the company? Gone. Great way to kill a job? Just trash on your employees and make your work site a place of misery. Simple.

[@aymcleonidas195]

I was hoping you all just quit

[@CastiellaXIV]

When I got my first job it was at local amusement park and the excitement and loyalty I had for the place was so high. I loved working there until I realized I was being abused and used for all my worth with little to no help from my managers who were also being screwed over. 60 hours a week at 17 years old for 4 months is not safe or healthy. I had passed out from exhaustion and stress so much that the people in the safety and security team knew my name. I work a government office job at 40 hrs a week now that pays me overtime when available and gives me PTO whenever I need it. Its the lamest ass office job ever but it is so much safer and flexible. Company loyalty is dead.

[@ot7biasedmashups]

WDYM 60 HOURS A WEEK 😰😰 I'm from Germany and working over 48 hours a week is illegal unless you take time off (the amount of hours you worked overtime) in the following 6 months. For underage ppl the maximum is 8 hours a day/40 hours a week and you need to take the time off within the next month. That's absolutely insane to me....

[@CastiellaXIV]

@@ot7biasedmashups the amusement park I worked at is notorious for running on essentially child labor (lots of advertising the job to teenagers, even as low as 14 years old). They just dont care as long as their quota was filled. And unfortunately I stayed long enough to watch them lose their employees and then never replace them throughout the season which caused me to have to essentially work double shift every day for 4 months. And because they were a seasonal employer they were allow to do certain things that are illegal by most employers. There needs to be more laws to protect child labor and just the labor of people in general here.

[@cericat]

@@ot7biasedmashups same, over 36 hours a week here is illegal regardless of age, there's a caveat for "reasonable" overtime, but if that's a regular thing then the employer should be winding up in front of an investigation. Considering travel times and other requirements of life 60 hours... employer deserves jail.

[@JMulvy]

Imagine how many more employees would achieve the elusive "240" if they were given a stool to sit on for their 12 hr shifts. Clearly, it can be done as that model employee demonstrated. In the US the "do not discuss pay" thing happens all the time but what many people do not realize, preventing that kind of discussion is illegal under several (but not all) state Equal Pay legislation. In my state of MA they go even further to protect your right NOT to discuss previous pay as a potential employee. That way companies can not just offer you the bare minimum that is more than what you were getting earlier and are required by law to offer a fair market value for your skills. What is strange to me about not paying people extra for extra days is that you clearly are not going to be paying the person who is supposed to be there so why not offer someone who is willing to come in for an added fraction of that cost...? How about I stay on the clock and go grieve in the bathroom? Yup, I am actively praying for a housing market crash so the rents and mortgages go down. Sometimes it is the only way to work around all the greed. Landlords are gonna learn the hard way.

[@nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526]

Not only can it be done, but here in the UK it's a legal requirement that if a job can be done while seated, seating has to be provided. It's honestly shocking to me that it's not only not required in the US, but often outright forbidden.

[@derekdenton8689]

Not merely state laws. In fact, preventing pay discussion is illegal in the entire USA under FEDERAL law (National Labor Relations Act).

[@gravyz2cute4u]

@@nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 Yeah, I would think that not allowing your workers to be comfortable would eventually just lead to work related injuries or something, which would be worse for both employer and employee. Workers compensation is hella expensive :/

[@JMulvy]

@@derekdenton8689 Thanks for that. I wasn't sure off the top of my head if it was a federal policy or not.

[@ameliasellers6396]

Ayy fellow MA gang. In all seriousness though, I really hope the rest estate market crashes and burns, because housing is far too expensive and it's pushing me away from going to college here.

[@jeremysmith3701]

'Wouldn't you want your workers to be happy', I legit worked for a call center for a while that became absolutely bound and determined to split up people who were friends so they wouldn't take to each other between calls, it was like watching a stupid teacher from grade school move kids around the room so nobody would talk to each other.

[@QueArres]

Man, I was getting some PTSD flashbacks from some of these. I used to work at a used book warehouse that would give "bonuses" in the form of pizza parties and gift certificates to the store they resold the books from. I was only staying there because of the health insurance, and I ultimately left in 2020 when, after going on unpaid leave to pick up hours at my other, part-time job (a grocery store, which definitely needed help during the pandemic), I was told that since I wasn't WORKING full-time at the warehouse (which wasn't even supposed to be open during lockdown), that I no longer qualified for that insurance. I have it through my part-time job now, and amusingly enough, I'm making MORE now than I did with both jobs combined. Screw that warehouse.

[@PlutoniumBoss]

It's not that people don't want to work. It's that people don't want to be abused and exploited. Stop abusing and exploiting your workers or allowing them to be abused by the public, and there will be zero difficulty finding workers.

[@monroerobbins7551]

Exactly!! And the whole “replacement level” thing just translates to “we wanna keep this place overpopulated so we can keep mistreating workers, and then hire new desperate suckers when they quit”.

[@jadethest0ne]

As someone who just quit one of their jobs earlier this week, this was very cathartic haha! That one about "not mistaking free time for availability" really rings true for me!

[@theDeadheadOtaku]

I'm pretty sure it is illegal for a boss to harass an employee about taking a day off for bereavement. Also, the OP said it was an immediate family member, the boss tried using a more distant family member as an excuse. if the OP took their boss to court, then I'm all but certain they would have won. Not to mention they would have helped everyone else who is most likely miserable working under such an inexcusably petty and stupid boss.

[@John_Weiss]

Yeah, that OP should have sent that screenshot to HR right after quitting.

[@leileyaravencroft]

I texted my boss when my LANDLORD died. I performed CPR on him despite knowing he was already gone (FD asked me to). He let me take that day off and even stayed up for updates before I told him to go to sleep at around 2:30 (he gets up at 5:00 most days) he was the first boss I ever had that took that time to care. Remember that was just my landlord.

[@grandmothergoose]

That depends on what country/state/county you're in and the laws/worker's rights of that area and industry. Although every part of the world has its terrible employers, I'm inclined to suspect most of the ones in the video are located in the USA where the worker's rights are almost non-existent which is why they call them benefits not rights.

[@PoggoMcDawggo]

That's assuming OP even has the money to sue them.

[@azulpargal]

About the companies "not being able to afford" minimum wage, that reminded me of a lawyer here in Mexico, she has discussed the employers duties on the radio and she says that when an entrepreneur complains about their responsabilities and it's expenses (wages, health insurance , taxes, etc.) She always says: if you can't afford it or it's too much for you, then get a job and don't be an entrepreneur because this what it implies. It's not for everyone. Note: in Mexico we have so much "informal" jobs that don't pay taxes, health insurance (which is allegedly for everyone with a job) and other benefits that they should be paying. It's kind of nice hearing someone telling them it's wrong not to fulfill those responsabilities.

[@WilliamWizer]

they tried to pull the "we are family" on me on one ocasion. they didn't knew the kind of relationship I have with family. they found it when I showed them my middle finger while saying "f*ck off. I don't want to see you ever again" I got fired but, it was worth.

[@aidanpalmer4720]

Missed chance to go "so you'll (insert horrible thing family members have done)?"

[@WilliamWizer]

@@aidanpalmer4720 too long, and personal, to insert in one sentence. and it's not like saying "so you'll" before a book long sentence loses all the impact.

[@jollybodger]

My first job actually understood how to be a good company, you were give 5x8 hour shifts over 5 days, if you were asked to come in to cover for someone that was sick, you got 50% extra pay for the day and a £5 bonus (~2 hours pay at the time) if it was on a Sunday. For every 16 hours you covered someone else's shifts at short notice, you earned an extra day off. An excellent company to work for until they got bought out by a competitor who scrapped the idea to 'save money', then they were shocked when people were less willing to cover other people's shifts.

[@o55oono]

It's nice living in a country where behaviour by employers like this is straight up illegal.

[@bigclitenergy]

Bro where do u live I need to know this rn

[@myflamerider]

America is not as free as it once was, don’t get me wrong I love my country, but I’ve realized that this country is free only for the very rich, or the people with connections.

[@MeLoNarXo]

@@bigclitenergy I suspect it's germany or another European country. There's also a funny story where an American company bought a German one and tried to get the same employee policy's they were having in the US and found out every single of these were illegial in Germany to do after some "friendly" notices by the employees

[@SlothDaan]

Yeah same! I'm really glad to have a great working enviroment 😁

[@KaiHenningsen]

@@MeLoNarXo That must have happened more than once. One of the more prominent cases was Walmart. Turns out, they couldn't compete while following the law - German supermarkets have razor-thin margins. Also, neither German employees nor German customers like American-style supermarket culture. (Compare to German Aldi being quite successful in the US.)

[@jamiieeez666]

I am so glad that my boss is actually on of my best friends and was before I started working for them. They also were so accepting of me being trans and helped me a lot even trough my mental health issues and problems I have due to having ADHD and being autistic. My Boss is a really good person and puts their employees before themselves. I am so glad to be working for them and this is really a case of workplace family, I feel like that's my second home.

[@Petrovich-sh7pi]

r/antiwork is such a depressing place, to think companies and bosses get away with this shit.

[@braith117]

Nah, the place is straight up hilarious. Stories like these are about 1% of it, about 10% is people asking for advice, and the other 89% is laughably bad communist BS.

[@LimblessAnt]

I would believe half the text messages where people stand up to their bosses and quit on the spot, pretty sure the other half is made up for a satisfying feeling of people who hate their boss

[@lmcgregoruk]

@@LimblessAnt Well it depends on A. If they've already got other guaranteed job(s) lined up, and B. How much savings they have.

[@Kuraikoamiki]

Depressing but honestly the comment section is a blast and gives tons of usefull knowledge.

[@Valicroix]

The Health Care threat comes from the simple fact that in the US most employees get their Health Care from their employer so if you lose your job, you also lose your Health Care until you can make other arrangements. If this sounds insane it's because it is insane.

[@passionate_possum_pal]

Work to live except you can't afford to live except if you want to live you can't live because you can't afford to live Hate it here

[@foureyedelf6151]

You are not even offered insurance unless you work 40 hours consistently for a year, and employers will alter your schedule to make that impossible unless you are a manager, and will make the manager's life a living hell so they quit long before being there a year.

[@Valicroix]

@@foureyedelf6151 Any company that requires a new employee to work 40 hours a week for a year in order to be eligible for health insurance is in violation of federal law. Federal law (ACA) defines an "Applicable Large Employer" (ALE) as a company with 50 or more employees. Federal law also defines a full time employee as someone who works 30 hours a week or 130 hours a month on average. An ALE is required to provide health insurance and must make it available to full time employees within 90 days of employment. Companies with less than 50 employees are not required to provide insurance but if they do, they are also required to make it available to new full time employees within 90 days.

[@ethribin4188]

To be fair... a lot of work ensurance related stuff is payed by the company over here in europe too. And depending on what deal your employer has with that ensurance, you get aditional privat benefits. Never instead of sallary though. And you always have at least a privat minimal-base health ensurance that the state mandates every ensurance company offers, and offers within an affordable range. So yeah :/ The usa's health and health insurance system is fucked.

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

@@Valicroix Big companies get caught breaking the law all the time (Meta, Google, etc.), but they have lobbyists to pay off the government.

[@francismccarthy5926]

It’s funny because before working a sh*tty job, I would have thought these were fake or exaggerated. Now that I have quit a job where I worked 22 hours overtime in a two week pay period for a boss that would pressure workers to come in even when they had injuries caused by her unsafe workplace, I totally get it.

[@cericat]

Honestly? After some of the stuff I dealt with as a supervisor I'm amazed there isn't crazier stuff posted regularly, I wanted to walk over a year before the contract ended because of stuff my crew and I dealt with daily, I only even took the promotion so we didn't wind up with a complete newcomer with no idea of the site to make things worse.

[@megapiglatin2574]

Bro same! When I quit my POS job, my resignation was sent in with a 2 page letter documenting all the egregious shit the manager and company owners had done to the employees during my employment (my own experiences and those from others that I collected/shared anonymously). Ngl it brought me petty joy to think that by walking out they were losing one of the few employees that could fulfill literally any role-including the highly skilled ones-and knew the policies and delivery areas of all the locations (I routinely worked in different locations running the shops, created training manuals to train employees on the systems because they had NO documentation, and I even set the delivery zones for one of the locations). 😂 Next time maybe pay your employees for their work, help them when they tell you they need more help, value and respect their time, AND FOR GOD’S SAKE DO NOT THREATEN SOMEONE’S JOB WHEN THEY ARE ACTIVELY EXPERIENCING A MEDICAL EMERGENCY* *This did not happen to me but rather a coworker; however, the general manager’s behavior was disgusting: she demanded the employee continue working or lose her job despite the employee literally bleeding from a surgical wound during a delivery causing the customer to call for medical aid for her!

[@guywithredcam]

I had a job that was so dumb and the rules made no sense. We couldn't stand behind the counter unless a customer was there but a customer shouldn't wait for a staff to help them at the counter, and when we got sick we had to tell the manager and tell them who is covering our shift, failure to do so we would get written up. I got written up 3 times for the most outrageous things(she sent me the wrong schedule and it was my fault, I called in "sick" because I cut my hand at a different job and went to the ER, and I didn't answer her call when I was in class) and the manager was confused why I quit

[@FaethorFerenzcy]

Employer: "We are family here." Me: "And i am sick of beeing the oldest sibling responsible for everything while getting nothing in return!" Employer: "Hey you can't say that, i will tell the manager ("Dad")!" Me: " Well do it, i am gone." Source: Similar event happened like 7 years ago.

[@shadowmaster335]

ahh yes, the good ole "threatening to fire ppl, due to lack of workers" never backfires does it

[@wolvie1618]

When an employer says they have "competitive salary" what they means is minimum wage, from what I've seen. The place they are competing with is the fast food place down the street. My old job was claiming "competitive salary" and I was barely paid anything even after working for several years there. Only a week before a lot of staff, including myself, were going to quit did they actually raise our pay. Didn't make a difference tho, we all left.

[@alexsnezh]

Well it's competitive from their point of view: as low as possible.

[@DarkusZarvix]

"The Tax the childless" thing already exists in the US. When you have a child, you can claim a dependent on your W-2/income, which drops your tax amount you pay. Or/then, at tax season, you also get a child tax credit.... Those who are childless don't get this credit, nor the benefit from claiming dependents for your paycheck. Therefore, people without children pay more in taxes. I understand why this happens, and I'm okay with it as it stands, as parents need more from raising children, but the idea that childless need to pay MORE is stupid. They already pay more. But you'd bet that if a couple who can't afford to have a child has one to avoid the tax, the same people will say "If you couldn't afford a child, you shouldn't have had one." while also saying that abortions should be illegal.

[@pennyforyourthots]

To be fair, the child tax credit is the only thing that actually lowers your taxes. The W-2 thing is actually a misunderstanding, because it decreases the amount of taxes you pay per paycheck, but you still owe that money at the end of the year. It's essentially just meant to be an easier form of money management.

[@XanderHarris1023]

@@pennyforyourthots I don't claim my kids on my W-2 only on my 1040.

[@Luciele]

Well in Germany, childless employees have to pay 0,35% more (without it its 1,5250%) for their long-term care insurance, because they will depend on the country to 100% if they need long-term care. Actually, i am more than willingly to pay this few € a month because i dont want children.

[@DarkusZarvix]

@@pennyforyourthots Fair distinction, yeah. I still consider it a negative because even if you don't have children, it's kind of shitty that the government can hold our money for a year simply because we don't have kids. Like, I get the logic, but it still feels like two negatives when it impacts each paycheck and at tax time, even if both don't actually reduce our income overall and only the child tax credit does.

[@Y2KNW]

"People aren't having enough kids, punish them" Or maybe reduce the cost of living so people can afford to have kids. But that would make sense and governments don't do that.

[@tohanwi]

My biggest thing I learned was you work for 3 reasons 1) you work to learn the job 2) you work to improve yourself through networking 3) if you can't afford to stare off in the distance while pumping gas, it's time to get a pay raise.

[@The_Enby_Zev]

Remember, companies aren't required to give you 2 weeks' notice before firing you. So don't give it to them either.

[@chatboulon743]

It's encouraged to submit a 2-week notice, only because your next employer could call these people and ask about your work ethic. If you just straight up leave without notice, you could be passed over. So always put in a 2-week notice... However, working it out is another story. If the company treats you like shit, leave. But be professional about it. ;)

[@NicknotNak]

If the company isnt going to give you a good reference, theres no point in sucking up to them and leaving on good terms. Just leave.

[@paintfarehold9939]

I'm my country you are required to give the company a month notice unless otherwise specified in your contract.

[@seaweedbrainofcl]

I like how the planet is overpopulated and people out there somehow need employees like it is a problem of quantity and not a problem of the companies

[@BlueTressym]

"There aren't enough workers!" No, Kevin, there 'aren't enough' people willing to endure being treated like crap for several decades.

[@SaraRankins.]

The planet isn't over populated

[@silas1796]

@@SaraRankins. not yet but scientists think the maximum capacity of Earth is 9-10 billion humans and we already reached 8 billion

[@Ambipie]

@@SaraRankins. areas are overloaded, in certain areas food is scarce because of the Ukraine war

[@SaraRankins.]

@@Ambipie what does that have to with overpopulation?

[@edene.4870]

In my experience and from the things I heard, whenever a business/boss pulls the "we're like a family" move, without exceptions, you need to add the words "dysfunctional and abusive" in front of the "family" part.

[@dark_fire_ice]

My story; working as an EVS at a hospital, worked well over 80+ hours a week for many months. The only recognition our department recieved was a cold Pop Eyes Chicken meal, while they threw a parade for nurses and doctors, they literally threw a parade * additional clarification, the non profit I work for, is also it's own township (which likely gave away where i work, but I'm working on get a Data Analysis Certificate and will be leaving as soon as i get a good bite.)

[@thelittlestpika]

I'm 90% sure that the last place I worked went out of business after I left because they were paying us barely above minimum wage for keeping things running.

[@Finnley-supports-translives]

4:05 As someone with panic attacks, fuck yeah. Get out of there. And with your money too

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Ngl he looks pretty clean with that suit on

[@myladydewinter7273]

Thank you!!! I scrolled so long for this comment. Dammnn 😂