Racism In the Furry Fandom

[@LagoVirt]

being a black guy, i can't say i've been exposed to much racism personally due to people in the fandom, but being referred to as an uncle tom by khord kitty still hit like a proverbial freight.

[@EsmeMarion]

BUT... HE'S WHITE... WHY IS A WHITE GUY CALLING SOMEONE AN UNCLE TOM...

[@asclepihex]

wait this is how i find out lagovirt isn't white?

[@Vomitperson]

Wait ur black

[@Zaneexists]

It's been mentioned in one of his older videos I'm pretty sure @@asclepihex

[@TonyTonyFizzy]

@@Vomitpersonhe’s mentioned being black in a few of his videos lol

[@cloux4]

Bro racism goes both ways, This means you can be racist towards white people too buddy

[@1234_Flux]

Hate how whenever people talk about racism it's automatically assumed that it's white people being racist to everyone else. That assumption is racist and racism against whites often isn't taken a seriously.

[@Dheast]

Hey you got it right! I am surprised someone got that.

[@reveriemephisto1995]

As a filmmaking student, I can't help but resent the fact that D. W. Griffith was from the triple K (who used blackface in his films) and just happened to also make some of the best breakthroughs in the history of filmmaking. It's one of those moments where it's hard to separate the art from the artist because of his influence.

[@graydybug]

Every year around Pride my mom (an OG punk) would rant how the atmosphere wasn't right because "you can't forget, Stonewall was a ******* RIOT!" Much respect to you for your appreciation for our history. Great job💚

[@DoggyBingBong]

Some of the people at stonewall were Jewish pedophiles who later established NAMBLA

[@vintilovwhitefox5365]

I don't think we should really take Fiddleafox that seriously. I know, the line between jokes and serious stuff it's thin, but still, it's the Internet

[@shrekk14]

imagine being racist when you refuse to show your own skin

[@DoggyBingBong]

Lmao brown

[@ThumbKnuckle]

Because I am a member of the Orthodox church and must necessarily stand by its historical teachings and dogmas, best I can do about things forbidden by the church is to extend indifference to those outside it knowing that if it's a problem that God will deal with it and only to really hold people in the church accountable to the standard I'm supposed to follow... If that's not good enough then I can't help. This is probably the biggest reason apart from the covid shutdowns that keeps me as one adjacent to the Fandom rather than as one fully into and in support of it... Also ffa was a disaster full of people I can't associate with.

[@TurboPikachu]

Kinda similar. Not exactly a Christian myself anymore but still align with most of its teachings. I actually used to be a furry since 2011, but furries' soapbox behavior from 2016 onwards got to a point that by 2021 I just couldn't stand the community anymore and stopped interacting with it. Seeing countless figures' hypocrisy later on only reinforced in me that I may never again have any desire to participate in the fandom itself, even if I still enjoy many furry artists' works to this day and still make some art myself. I just miss the age of furry forums like Furry Pile/Furry-2-Furry where nobody was suggesting that the fandom should be any specific way or another; people were just there to share in art and RPs. But now that the internet is mostly social media-based where everyone chooses to wear their beliefs on their sleeve, the fandom has mostly devolved into either self-righteous hypocrites who have a progressive veneer and act as moral arbiters despite having skeletons in their closet, or "apolitical/nonpolitical" hypocrites trying to [not so subtly] promote right-wing extremism. Some places like KZbin and furry art sites don't seem to suffer from this nearly as much as typical social media or instant messaging platforms tend to though.

[@ThumbKnuckle]

@@TurboPikachu what sect that calls itself Christian were you a part of? I know that Catholicism and most protestant denominations are eroding from the inside right now and those that aren't didn't have much binding ecclesiology to begin with and that's one of the reasons why I did become Orthodox recently.

[@TurboPikachu]

@@ThumbKnuckle I grew up Lutheran, but ever since I was 17 I just kinda drifted away from Christianity. I don't wanna blame my parents but church was more of an obligation than anything. I just feel like I'd be more likely to return to the religion and consistently attend church if my mother wasn't trying to barge into every aspect of my life

[@ThumbKnuckle]

@@TurboPikachu half of the Lutherans nowadays have capitulated to the culture and the other half is wondering where the Lutheran church went, I was lcms (Missouri synod Lutheran) for a few months after leaving the non-denominational megachurch Christianity my parents had raised me on, but started having some theological issues with that church compared to the Bible and church fathers it confesses to hold to, namely Christ being cut off from the father on good Friday according to them I decided to look into the case for Orthodoxy and it has now consumed my life, I would recommend at least understanding the heritage of every Christian sect as everyone in protestant circles is looking for apostolic Christianity through interpreting a collection of documents removed from their liturgical context, but keeps letting it pass under their nose by ignoring the Orthodox church because of her different teachings coming to their sects. Not only that but most of the churches mentioned in the book of acts that are around today are Orthodox. Knowing now the heritage of most major religions and practices I know where I stand. Without knowing church history nobody really has a reason to keep the faith anyway I'd say. I would also highly recommend attending an Orthodox liturgy and speaking with people at the parish as an inquirer even if you aren't going to go all in on it.

[@Lv31109]

As an very young asian person going to a school full of white people. I was scared going because what if people were extremely racist, it wasn’t bad for the first year in a white school but each year I would start hearing more asian racial slurs and some black racist jokes, I would hear a lot more asian slurs than black racist jokes. I had to realize that students will not get in trouble for saying things like that, teachers will act as if they didn’t hear it, students will become more confident saying racist things out loud because other students will think it’s funny and teachers will ignore. The school will talk about how they support other races but when they hear racist slurs/jokes they will ignore it. Having to start normalizing that white people will get away for being racist because most people living in my city are white.

[@animokiad4100]

I am happy to have Fiddle as a part of a community and exposing the problems out of that community

[@FrehleyFan3988]

The one thing I hate more than the US government

[@DoggyBingBong]

Jews?

[@x_aquatix_x]

you both are the lowest type of humans one can find.

[@Solmangrundy]

On the topic of 2 flags meaning the same thing. And why people say "why not just use the one we already have" Because it comes off as race favortism on its own. Theres a multitude of other races. Which aren't slapping their race-brand on symbols. But I wouldn't be surprised if we got a flag version for every single race out there as a reaction to there being a black exclusive flag. The hetero/straight flag was made with such reasoning in mind. As a reaction to every other sexuality having a symbol. TLDR people are mad because one race is being put on a pedestal over others. When the original symbol was all inclusive to everyone.

[@electrothecat]

The sad part about the fandom, as like he said in the video, that trans people from my experience also have a problem with bigotry... I don't have anything against trans people, or the decision to become trans, but the majority of them just seem to like doing it for the attention and power it gives them. And no, I'm not joking, they get pretty offended even when i mistakenly label them "he/him". unfortunately i do that often without thinking about it, as my social skills are rock bottom most of the time, due to my past and how i didn't really have a childhood bc of my parents, and most of my childhood consisted of bullying, physical and mental abuse. And I'm pretty deep in the Autism spectrum as well, so my lack of social skills also stems from having an underdeveloped brain. Also they mostly are he/him to she/her, so apparently they get more power to abuse bc of a broken system... Most encounters i get now with people are like "If i haven't engaged with u in a conversation then fuck off", and "if I'm in a group conversation already, we're just gonna ignore u and prevent u from being a part of anything". It's kinda as if they see me as "stupid" or "dumb", bc either of my opinions are based off of true research on the Internet, and it is not consistent with theirs, or is bc of my autism. It's also the way they act usually twoards me, everyone seems to try to avoid me usually. Now I'm second guessing if it was really worth it to get a pretty decent rig (RTX 3090, 13600K, Valve Index), only to find out noone really likes me. instead i found a better hobby that's a whole lot more rewarding, and that's just tinkering with my car, it's expensive but the returns seem more emotionally and mentally beneficial to me. It's almost like inanimate objects have better relations with me than people, and that's kinda depressing the more that i look at it...

[@electrothecat]

@@cmaslan, sadly an inconsistent amount... I have really only been able to find people in there 30s or 40s who actually feel like they care, but those are people who are rarely on, and have lives. I don't want to bother people, and I definitely don't want to interfere with others lives, but I'm simply unable find anybody who doesn't abuse my sympathy and compassion who is a peer, or is in the same age group as me... I've had 6 past relationships, and every one of them I, alone had to get rid of bc they didn't understand they've consistently triggered past trauma, or has made me feel uncomfortable around them bc of their actions... I'm now asexual, not just bc of this, but bc I now have to improve upon myself without the interactions of others, which has proven to be difficult. I used to release my frustrations through words, now I punch a punching bag till my hands bleed, I used to find an enjoyment in conversing with others, now I find my enjoyment spending my money till I'm broke and tinkering with my car and computer. not the healthiest way of enjoying life but it's all I got left...

[@cmaslan]

@@electrothecat no no no ın the comment section of the jax'es channel. On his furry videos where he exposed alot.

[@PsychicSploob]

I agree with pretty much all of this. I live in a part of the world where there are all sorts of types of people, and you'd think that'd make people less racist, but people are very racist here lol. I do think however, that everyone has biases, no matter how subtle, and that everyone is racist to at least some degree. It's best we all do our best to be aware of those biases and the extent to which they exist. For everyone of a particular race, they are born looking a certain way, and by human nature, people who look differently than them are going to be subconsciously categorized as 'different' and ripples from that categorization can definitely pop up here and there. Now it's just human nature, and we shouldn't be afraid to be ourselves and walk on eggshells all the time, but we should at least be aware of that biological repulsion of things that are different and think about how that applies to social situation and our relationships with people so that we don't behave unfairly or unpleasantly in any meaningful way. For some people, they really get hung up on that and I think that becomes the foundation of the fostering of a lot of racist beliefs. It starts at that biological predisposition and snowballs into some real nastiness. Emotions tend to shape our beliefs in a pretty major way, especially if we're unaware of that and a bit impulsive by nature.

[@lilbraindamage7622]

dear god what will my recommendation be after this

[@pacoramon9468]

Do you know than there are more races than back and racist?

[@rileysjonger4192]

He literally mentioned latino's... sounds like someone is triggered.

[@FoxyPercival714]

@@rileysjonger4192 You're triggered.

[@pacoramon9468]

@@rileysjonger4192 latinos aren't a race.

[@iara0]

Doesn't thanking Scott Cawthon for the FNAF movie when he donates to anti-gay venues kind of a juxtaposition of your arguments?

[@badwolf2331]

CLAYTON NOO I THOUGHT OF HIM AS A GRANDFATHER TBH in all seriousness I had great reactions with the man and its such a shame that he said those things

[@tank9795]

i wouldnt say racial education is a way to prevent racisim as it just brings the topic up in younger children or teens and more often than not teaches someones agenda of creating more hate within the population and usualy ends up with more people being hated on or a group being put on a pedestal and teaching people that they are oppressing or are opressed and that creates conflict with people who have nothing to do with any of it.

[@DoggyBingBong]

GOYIM TIME TO LEARN ABOUT LE HOLLOWCAWST FOR THE 7TH YEAR IN A ROW

[@Crealinee]

Is there homophobia and transphobia in the furry fandom?

[@justarandomhorrorfan7899]

Yes, there sadly is.

[@Crealinee]

@@justarandomhorrorfan7899 Why unfortunately? Transgenderism is bad, because the genitals are not a toy and a sex change can seriously damage health. Moreover, after a sex change, a person spends almost all his life on hormones. Homosexuality is bad because same-sex sexual intercourse has a higher chance of contracting HIV/AIDS. LGBT people also hold parades, pride months, wave flags, etc. But straight people don't do that. Do you have any questions?

[@haydenhilton]

I’m not a furry but I know a few and most are such kind and reasonable people in my experience. You do a great job of showing people that!

[@aidancurran6729]

15:44 the 60 year old woman went by T. rex. She loved cheetah print and died fighting to keep others safe. She was a family friend. Also that wasn’t the only person he shot- My aunt was also shot aswell as one other person. They where lucky to survive and are still healing mentally and physically to this day.

[@azulathesunmoonsimp8939]

When I tell y’all I saw a screenshot of someone on tiktok telling a POC fursuiter to; “Go do something more fit for a black person like rapping and leave fursuiting to us whites ^_^” I am saying this genuinely. Like, holy shit. The screenshot was on Pinterest and my jaw actually dropped down to the floor- and just the freeze-frame of the POC fursuiter in suit just staring in utter disbelief that the commenter had the audacity to say that to them- you can’t even see the real persons face but the positioning of the fursuit head says it all-

[@hardboiled2987]

Lmao I saw that and thought it was fake. If only that girl (girly looking fursuit from the screenshot) had see the start of All Gas No Brakes’s video on a furcon.

[@AretoonStudios]

i love how Fiddle is like the poster girl of furry racism

[@inkchariot6147]

Based Fiddle

[@GunNutproductionsOG]

She did say "I might be racist and transphobic but at least I am not into being small"

[@Myder_Dragon]

@@inkchariot6147 if you want to exclude people from a welcoming fandom then you don't belong here.

[@solidkeys]

@@inkchariot6147 watch out, for the edgelord has arrived

[@WoofFur]

@@inkchariot6147silly, based is another word for “im self righteous and I don’t listen to other peoples opinions because I think I’m better than everyone else”

[@doohickeyhandy758]

Crazy how a fandom all about fun and showing your ideal self has people who hates when you aren't what they want you to be.

[@d4z_l20svaQ12]

honestly this is off in the weeds, all you need to do is focus on your own friend group in the fandom to avoid it

[@sacrificiallambchop3333]

Had a guy get upset that I mentioned that I was black. He had a whole paragraph telling me that the furry fandom is just about cute fluffy animal people not race.

[@Skigress]

But… wait, do they just not understand how using cute fluffy animals to tell stories has been used to cover serious issues, often racism?

[@Yipyipyay]

I mean True I guess? Those fluffy animals also have races if you choose tho so idk seems kinda redundant to he mad about that lmao

[@growingup15]

I feel like that was a Misguided response from that guy. I understand where he may have been coming from. Some in this fandom hate when furries break the fantasy illusion and just insert reality into it because this fandom is a form of escapism especially from our horrible reality. I think that is why he may have said what he said.

[@prosto_a_user]

​@@Skigress TwoKinds moment

[@tailsdblack463]

That one guy really needs to revaluate his priorites.

[@kitteroo2]

Finally someone speaking out on this

[@FinnThePanther]

This is a really well-thought out explanation of the idea that minorities can be bigots amongst themselves. It's something that is really brushed under the rug in this fandom, and as a Black guy myself, it's super obvious to me when it rears it's ugly head. Though i still believe a lot of it comes from a lack of knowledge and understanding of inter-minority bigotry, and videos like these are a really important step of education which leads to mitigation. So in short, I appreciate you putting this together. Well done.

[@xxxuselesspricksxxx1481]

oh hi finn

[@ZettyLad]

To me it's shocking that people can't put that together sooner. Humans of all races can be racist towards each other, how shocking.

[@DoggyBingBong]

>and as a Black gu-ACK!

[@TeaIngyer]

I see this in LGBTQ spaces as well. Often pride and other LGBTQ spaces are catered to whiteness, and white LGBTQ people get a sense of immunity for their own implicit biases, and will play their 'card' when called out on the way they exclude BIPOC people from the space. I try to shut it down within the spaces I'm in, and hold other white queers accountable for it, because I want those spaces to be open to my BIPOC friends. I think people in the fandom get this sense that because some people are bigoted to furries, that furries somehow can't also be bigoted. It sucks too because there's not really any systemic or structural oppression of furs, so conflating the experience with BIPOC experiences is kind of gross.

[@elen5871]

i'm not a furry but i love your videos (i really love watching people who are enthusiastic about stuff lol), and this video is a perfect example of why. you're doin good stuff for your fandom. i got my undergrad degree in history with a focus on lgbt stuff, specifically the stonewall riots and how the post-stonewall groups like the gay liberation front and gay activists alliance went from truly _truly_ radical groups fronted by people like you mentioned, to groups that were overwhelmed by like, white academic lesbians who hated trans women, and you totally nailed it with the facts on that part. truly, my Gay Ass Heart Swells.

[@elen5871]

incidentally, i also got a degree in women's studies (and did grad work in all of this shit, i was a thesis away from a master's lol), with a focus on right-wing men's rights groups, and the stuff you're saying about how they pretend to be apolitical is ALSO backed by the academic literature. not that _they_ care about that, since academia is all like. (((them))) or whatever. but point is, they cloister themselves into these weird little groups, self-victimize, and then use the _exact same rhetoric_ they pretend to hate so much when it's used by people who actually are oppressed. wild stuff.

[@elen5871]

also i hope this message doesn't come across haughty; all i ever use my degrees for is to be like "hey, i have a lot of qualifications and you did a good job" lmao

[@elen5871]

"the gift of respect and dignity" :') good video, i hope it goes over well

[@spagheleton]

genuine question, not derogatory, what sort of job besides being a professor applies that degree? or do you have a masters in something kinda related like literature? just curious

[@elen5871]

@@spagheleton oh i was going to school to be a professor lol, i just ended up dropping out because i realized i fucking _hate_ academia, the shit people say about it being this namby-pamby arena of social sciences and evil communist gender feels is absolutely bonkers, my department's ANNUAL budget was like $1,500, compared to the engineering department, who scored a 200 million dollar new _building._ because STEM means more investment in the university, and universities in the 21st century are basically just massive hedge funds aw god i'm getting carried away. basically, don't believe anything about universities being leftist lol. a lot of people in school for women's studies are there because they want to do that for undergrad, and then get a master's in social work, because that works really well for working in stuff like women's shelters or whatever. or they want to go on to law school, and specialize in DV stuff, that kind of thing. a lot of schools (like the one i was at) offered programs where you did work in women's studies and another department, like library and information sciences, or, again, social work. women's studies is multidisciplinary, which is why i really liked it, i ended up taking classes in _everything,_ and got to write about and research everything from pre-columbian gender relations to incel rage to the gay liberation front to _the wire_ (the hbo show) to lesbian pulp novels from the 1960s. is it useful stuff for the "professional world?" nah, but i'm great at parties, and thanks to An Incident, i am permanently disabled anyhow 🤷no ragrets. damn sorry that was so long,.

[@imjustyourlocalcocomilk2098]

As a black furry artist, I deal with this

[@Myder_Dragon]

you're a bean and I love that you are a part of the community 💜

[@thundertits]

I'm sorry you do

[@nai-naichan4848]

Dude, same. It makes me so sad. This Fandom also has a big issue with fetishising us and putting our hair on thair fursonas. Iv been in several instances where I was told to "oh stop promoting segregation" 🧍🏿‍♀️like when did I say that shi.

[@glenfoxh]

I'm a gray mussel. And find it absurd that any in the furry community has to deal with racism of any kind from other furrs. >.> Though, it's not right at any time by anyone. For it should not have a place in any community. But to know it goes on in the furry community, is practically unthinkable. But, here we are, just the same.

[@imjustyourlocalcocomilk2098]

@@Myder_Dragon thanks

[@CaptArgo24]

Does anyone else think all the problems we have in humanity are connected to humans in general? It's not just one group

[@reliantbelial2341]

everyone has convictions, you can't change that. It's only a problem if you believe it is.

[@CheetahFoxx]

I'm glad to see that there are still some people out there who get it. There's only one race who's extinction would truly mean peace on earth: The *Human* race.

[@reliantbelial2341]

​@@CheetahFoxxgive it your contribution then

[@ee-wx3hy]

@@reliantbelial2341 Yikes...

[@maverick5640]

​@@CheetahFoxxJokes on you as someone who walked that mental path before. Everyone dying also wouldn't solve our problems. Im going to start getting philosophical just bear with me for a minute. Humanity is a lot like fire, honestly probably a bit closer to atomic energy. At first glance, fire brings death and destruction, a mismanaged or uncontrolled fire can burn entire villages to the ground. Humans are a lot like that in the sense that we are 100% capable of extreme destruction. *but* much like a fire, the fire doesn't cause destruction because it wants to kill. Nor is the fire capable of only destruction. Fire allows for one thing to transform into another(literal alchemy shit). Fire allows one to greater a comfortable home with a warm environment. It can be comforting and honestly a relaxing show to watch. Both fire and Humans can dance. Humans when we aren't busy killing each other can create wonderful things. Hell in order to read this we had to *invent* language. We literally built a way to understand and describe the world to one another from the ground up. It's still happening today albeit with weird slang I don't understand. TL;DR Humans have the potential to be really good(like a comfortable fire or a contained nuclear reactor) And also really bad (like a wildfire. Or a nuclear bomb)

[@criidawg]

For being such an accepting community... Quite a few are very racist... 😭

[@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398]

Mfw when something that is supposed to be friendly and inviting turns out to actually have some bad mfers in them.

[@PrincessofKeys]

I mean that's basically any community its hard to eacape such a thing everywhere it just happens.

[@longWriter]

@@PrincessofKeys Any community big enough is bound to have bad apples. And the bigger the community, the further out of bounds the bad apples tend to get...

[@enriquenavarro7684]

Cool

[@hardboiled2987]

Dude you live in a different reality. You get lynched if you say the funny nigga word in like 95% of furry circles.

[@SkitzTheFluffyWolf]

I’m a black furry, and around the time I joined the fandom I was scared to express that side of me as it didn’t like a very welcoming idea, I hope there’s more that we can do to help people like me to come out of our shells and be more open with stuff amazing video btw❤

[@rossjohnstone4689]

I've experienced a bit of racism, if you can call it that, as people say I can't be a doberman because I'm white. Well, if I may quote kurrel the raven "nobody knows your gender or race, when you're a talking animal instead of a human face"

[@Romanticoutlaw]

not to mention how gross it is of them to pigeonhole black people into specific species. Like, that's just racism, straight up.

[@BlackOwlMage]

I'm black and that's stupid. Your race should have no bearing on what species your fursona is. If that were the case, I probably couldn't be an owl

[@chaliceflame1314]

So I guess according to this person, you have to be a dog like a golden retriever?

[@SirFailsalot91]

Bigotry against someone because of their race is racism, no ifs ands or buts about it, so that does include against white people - if anything, they're the racists by implying dobermans are exclusively black and trying to gatekeep them from you, like the people who think orcs are racist depictions of black folks; it says more about a person than those they criticise if they see something non-human and their first thoughts is to compare it to a particular race. Honestly, on the internet, if you're using a non-human avatar to represent yourself, it shouldn't matter what race you are, you're free to express yourself however you like as long as you're not actively causing others actual harm - be the doberman you want to be!

[@rossjohnstone4689]

@chaliceflame1314 they said I should be a ferret. Ya, not happening, I'm happy being a Dobie and I ain't planning on changing any time soon.

[@sharpieton]

The way the character still smiles while talking about horrible things is kiinda funny

[@thatstockin]

Ikr? Pngtubers can say the most horrible things and they character be like: 😃 😆 😁

[@DoggyBingBong]

I don’t appreciate all these swarthloids invading the fandom

[@science_bear]

@@DoggyBingBong you're joking, it's your lot who invaded the fandom, gay men created the furry community and you straights/bis/pans/enbies fucked it up.

[@science_bear]

@@DoggyBingBong you have literally no sense of self awareness do you

[@f3nnztar]

​@@DoggyBingBongshut ur yapper

[@Myder_Dragon]

If you want to exclude people from a welcoming fandom then you don't belong here.

[@hardboiled2987]

This comment is borderline paradoxical and I love it.

[@ThumbKnuckle]

Keep pedos and zoos out of the Fandom before they have an opportunity to abuse the innocent...

[@rambaral340]

@@hardboiled2987 "We don't take Kindly to those who don't take Kindly around here". jk

[@science_bear]

What if you want to exclude the racists, rapists, pedos, and others attracted to the opposite sex that create trouble?

[@science_bear]

@@hardboiled2987 paradox of tolerance, it's a thing

[@Yipyipyay]

I've experienced mostly black folk being racist to us brown folk, specifically us Latinos. It is pretty shocking. You'd think by now everyone could just Idk Be normal It's always shocking to see minorities attacking minorities when you'd think as minorities, we'd all be on the same side?

[@ShaoZapomnit]

Because being a minority doesn't grant any special permissions, but people think it does. Racism goes every way and there's no such thing as reverse racism.

[@princeofdarkness4711]

being Asian i felt this in my SOUL, my soul. It's like being black excuse you from saying those most vile things only a KKK member from the 60s would spout.

[@chaoticenbybard6699]

what the fuck are you talking about, black people have always been in support and have had love for Asian and Latino individuals while they have never had OUR back

[@princeofdarkness4711]

@@thesteven2army when.. the heck... did he states the latinos become racist back? Bruh, you just self report yourself on your bias.

[@princeofdarkness4711]

@@thesteven2army its not about you, its about a MAJOR problem that exist massively on a specific community that even THAT community agrees on. It's a huge problem.

[@emanrman7200]

Im surpirised you bring up Scott and thank him, considering the controversey he had a while back. But then again FNAF has made a home for many LGBTQ+ people and minorities, including me.

[@science_bear]

Ah yes donating to homophobic politicians and organizations helps queer people so much. You gotta be either bi/pan, enby, or attracted to the opposite sex in some way.

[@Clappedseal]

Lol this a lil embarrassing I thought that was notch who did that, and lowkey forgot about Scott. I did enjoy the fnaf movie though I'll stick by that. Just an unfortunate person to bring up that I didn't think about! Thanks for the comment tho :3

[@emanrman7200]

@@Clappedseal NP keep up the good content

[@science_bear]

@@emanrman7200 are you attracted to the opposite sex?

[@ElectricpedOFFICIAL]

​@@science_bear why does it matter so much to you

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

I admittedly, still have some internalized racism. Mostly because my family's, low-key racist? I'm definitely better than I used to be. But it can be hard to unlearn. Especially if you heard it, since you were young That being said, it's really not ok to be like, vocally racist. Just... Stop it, get some help

[@Xx_D4RK_K1N_xX]

Being vocal always means ur much worse in the inside in my opinion.

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

@@Xx_D4RK_K1N_xX true Like (and this is an incredibly tame example) let's say I have a friend group, where everyone but me likes pineapple on pizza. It'd be fine if I just think to myself about how much I hate it. Or write in my journal But it's not ok, if I constantly tell them, how much I hate pineapple on pizza

[@Xx_D4RK_K1N_xX]

@@TheobaldLeonhart not really that I’d say more so to push urself to say it thats only the 9% u think ppl wouldn’t beat u for. The average person doesn’t have that 9% to begin with, so if some person does with racism their prob 10x worse inside.

[@Local_user]

Love the pfp🙏

[@recursiveslacker7730]

Your first thought is how you were raised. Your second is who you are.

[@wiggie666]

I'm not a furry, but this video does a great job breaking down the forms of racism. More people need to watch this if they're a furry or not. good video.

[@amongusboi2032]

Sonic the fox: what is furry fandom without LGBTQ? What is furry fandom without weird content or sus ones?

[@tsundasphere]

being a furry is just a hobby, not a lifestyle and 'personality' we are just as human as anime fans, or doctors, or people into knitting.. it's all just a hobby

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

as human as anime fans, you say ?

[@Lmafaooo]

@@pikminologueraisin2139 at least normally the anthro furries are of age, unlike 99% of the anime characters that are minors

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

@@Lmafaooo I agree lol, even tho cub content is a thing

[@ronaid-with-an-i]

Idk about professional medicine being just a hobby but alright

[@tsundasphere]

fair point@@ronaid-with-an-i

[@YokaiBytes]

Great video, thank you for speaking up about these issues! I hope it encourages more people to educate themselves and help make this fandom a more welcoming place.

[@nataliemoraes2033]

It's not a welcoming place.

[@YokaiBytes]

@@nataliemoraes2033 ..yeah, hence the “I hope this encourages people to educate themselves and help make this fandom a more welcoming place” statement, lmao

[@Kris-wo4pj]

Yeah not a furry. But got into gaming when it was considered a loser thing even back then being not white, male and a teenager got ya mocked and harassed on forums in game chats. As well as by your family for wasting your life. Theres a reason the n word is now called the gamer word unironically online. Its just gotten worse with shit like voice chat being a thing. Also was part of the early western anime craze same shit happened there too. Now rhat both are mainstream its gotten better in the larger circles of it but alot worse in the niche circles. 2016 also didnt help. Theres alot of people who do guides and videos on both that i cant watch cuz of the super casual racism, sexism and calling people mentally retarded for liking a game they dont. They always get really butt hurt and cry about it when ya call them out as well. All of adults by the way from ages 25-40. Their fans also go on the defense and call ya sensitive for not liking edgy jokes. Which is hilarious cuz thats most of my jokes. Problem is mine are funny or apologize if its too far. Theirs are just statements about what they really think that they call jokes as a defense. Also as a mixed person black people dont like me much cuz im too white to them. I was raised by my mother and stepdad who are white. Bio dad is the stereotypical deadbeat black guy who never paid child support but makes 4x more than both my parents did combine. And as part of the lgbt group no longer an active member cuz i dont go to group outings or events. Cuz they really dont like asexual people, trans people or bi people or poc unless they had to be for apperances. Or anyone that calls them out on it. I was the asshole who called them out and told them to do better. Might just be my state thing tho. Midwest is just diet south after all. It was also a decade ago so maybe its better. Anyway obviously im just giving examples of how minorities love discriminating as much as the majority to make themselves feel better. Never at the people that deserve it tho.

[@handlicker69]

I got bullied so much because of simply saying im mixed-raced (Black/white) everyone else was nice but just that one person really hurt me and as much as it was only one person i left the fandom (also because of other occurences but this was one of them). Im not a furry anymore but to anyone here, please be nice be nice to everyone its just a color were all the same being, we can all make the same mistakes and we can all make the same achievements Have a nice day/afternoon/night everyone

[@tehcanadian4653]

I'm sorry that they treated you that way and I hope you can find a safe place for your hobbies and interests! Stay pawsome

[@handlicker69]

@@tehcanadian4653 Thank you! I was actually redrawing my fursona so your comment came right in time!!:D

[@amongusboi2032]

Weird furry: shut up that's normal, the jokes made by furries are ethier too far.

[@ethankennedykemwashere3360]

Brian Tamaki not only blamed earthquakes on gays, but specifically watching gay porn. Which he said was occurring at its highest percent in the location where the earthquakes hit. He said "from my own research", which like, why was he looking up gay porn stats huh?

[@science_bear]

That's how all people attracted to the opposite sex are. Pretty hypocritical given that global warming actually can be pinned on people attracted to the opposite sex.

[@VemyVivi]

Furries are not a minority, its just a hobby

[@aclstudios]

THANK YOU I'm sick of people comparing it to being an actual minority

[@science_bear]

Gay people created the fandom and gay people are a minority. You get that right?

[@DoggyBingBong]

@@science_bear >Gay people created the fand- ACK!

[@Dheast]

@@science_bearyou know I’m not homophobic but I will be around you

[@science_bear]

@@Dheast and I'll be heterophobic regardless of if you're around, I don't need to be a coward and hide my opinions like a bitch.

[@JacobTheCroc]

As much as I want this fandom to be accepting towards good kinds of people, no, it's impossible since we have too many types of popfurrs who raised the concept of "clicks over everying" encouraging all kinds of horrible behaviour just to gets as much attention as possible, creating more cespull to promote specific ideologies. It's too late for now, only way is to raise a new generations of furries to different standarts and let the old one be gone naturally.

[@science_bear]

As long as there are people attracted to the opposite sex in the fandom nothing will change for the better. Let's not kid ourselves and pretend there's hope.

[@JacobTheCroc]

@@science_bear Ironically most of the furries are homosexual. Even more ironically, there's a massive misogynistic scale from them.

[@tylere.8436]

Grow a set

[@batchampa]

Transvestite is still a term, it's just a person who dresses in clothing traditional to the opposite gender to the one they identify. It's becoming more common to just remove gender from specific clothing though

[@tamaruautumn5325]

Ok?

[@batchampa]

@@tamaruautumn5325 I was just trying to be informational

[@LuxTheFolf]

The fact is we don't need a black specific flag! Personally, I feel its disrespectful to say black people NEED a different flag! They should be included no matter what and shouldn't NEED a different flag, I don't care what race you are, you don't need a seperate flag! Shouldn't we have a middle eastern pride LGBTQ+ flag for the middle east due to the fact they get murdered for being not straight! No we fucking shouldn't! Everyone is valid no matter what you wanna push 😂

[@mikarimex1055]

As a black person that just want to be seen as a person, i do question why add black to a flag that represent our sexually. I mean just with me it fells like another unneeded faction that just goes deeper. But thats just me. Its just iffy putting race in place wherr race shouldnt matter or be there. If you gay, you gay.

[@masterofmages729]

I remember seeing that certain 180 in the person that was all about being wholesome... i will say while i havent seen all that much hate myself its mostly because I just, distance myself from that, which is something I think people should do more often, but i digress very interesting and informative video as usual!!

[@amongusboi2032]

Furry: look pal, some furries are abit toxic and violent just stay out of trouble okay... Me: OK 😢 -My friend who harmed for not being LGBTQ

[@glenfoxh]

I am rather open to others at times, when the topic may come up, that I am a furry. It is not to me anything to hide. And I am not a fanatic about it. It's just an interest of mine, like any other interest. One thing I do tell other though, is furries are not the Borg. We are not all one happy group. We don't all agree or get along. - This can be true of many groups. Take the LGBTQ+. Plenty in it say they want the TQ+ removed, to be it's own group, and to have the LGB be it's own group again. But not all in the LGB agree with that. Mostly those that happen to be both trans and gay. Even those who are part of the trans community don't all get along or agree with each-other. Many who are trans are often enough been called transphobic, by those that don't agree with them, despite being trans. And it can be over anything related to them. One such example would be Buck Angle. Who would call himself a trans-sexual. However, many (but hardly all) within the trans community say you can't use that word trans-sexual anymore, for they see it as insulting to them. But Buck Angle says he will keep using that word, for he identifies as such, and refuses to be bullied by others to not use it for himself anymore. And so is called transphobic by others for that, despite he is not just trans, but a trans man who had full body conformation surgery. Something not all who is trans will do, such as Blare Wight. Even plenty who are trans don't feel trans women should be in women's sports. And are called transphobic by other trans people who feel trans women should be let into women's sports. There is a fare divide among those who are trans on that very subject. Caitlyn Jenner, who was once loved by so many trans people when she came out as trans, being called brave, is now one such person now called transphobic for not supporting trans women being in women's sports. So, that be just another example. - Is no surprise to anyone with observation skills, that the mass of people who are religious don't all agree with each other. Though, to be religious, is not being in a minority. It would, in part, depending on what religion a person follows. Even those who are not religious at all, don't all agree with each other either. As it stands, the numbers of those who are not religious grows in places. In some places, those who are not, greatly outnumber those who are. So is hard to say if those who are not religious is in a minority, and can be counted in this topic. - All people are individuals. No matter what group they my be a part of, be it a big or small group. Is just the way it is. Furries, would be no exception.

[@theminecraft_gamersxx2815]

aint reading allat 😂

[@glenfoxh]

@@theminecraft_gamersxx2815 Yeah, my excessive text, is not for everyone. Hell, most anything I may text, is not for everyone.

[@jolttrontitan2755]

I remember watching Solar’s video a couple years back on micro aggressions and was going to leave a blatant micro aggressive comment. But she said something at the end and I didn’t! So thank you Solar Sabre for curing my racism

[@D0Samp]

Over the years, I've also come to the conclusion that it's best to keep internet comments constructive, because someone else will have made _the_ obvious snarky response and enough other people will have vented their negative emotions before you.

[@Soitisisit]

... Is this a troll comment?

[@jolttrontitan2755]

@@Soitisisit Nope, just made it sound funny

[@strangerinadarkalley]

Yeah, I kinda struggle with that. I'm growing up in an european country with way and I mean waay below 1% of black population. Last year marked the first time I've ever seen an african-american person in person in my life. I am literally yet to make eye contact with a black person. Slurs as well as the n-word are straight up just an edgy catchphrase for teenagers and the adults couldn't care less. I have a vivid memory of our class talking about different word groups stuff in our language and our teacher offered to let us write any swear words we could think of on the blackboard while she wasn't looking. All fun and games until wouldn't you guess what word appeared there. Even at the time it felt weird that someone felt confident enough to think it was okay to write that there infront of the teacher and even weirder that they were right as the teacher never adressed it. Why so vivid? It happened this week. I'm in high school. Half of us are almost 18. It was the n-word. Native american halloween costumes are still very much a thing. The word for native americans in our language is still Indian (the exact same as a person living in India). And parents teach toddlers "what does an indian say". There's this holiday in January/February where the 'three wise men' go home to home and ask for money for charity and/or for sweets if the three wise men are children. All good, yeah? Well, one of the three wise men is widely regarded as a black man. So one in three kids walks around in blackface. If this country hates anything, it's romani people. They steal shite, their homes are messy, their family trees are ladders, each family has 20 children, they're dense. And there are basically sayings around this stuff. I've had my mom tell me that my room is like at a g-roma's place when it's untidy. Holy fuck, this place is fucked up. That's just what I can name off the top of my head. Homophobia is surprisingly not that rampant because I guess there are more gay people than all people of an ethnic minority put together and I'm not so sure people know what 'transgender' means yet. But the racism is BAD bad. I'm white as hell and though I've been exposed to stuff like american politics from a fairly young age, I still have a really hard time avoiding doing offensive things which you guys probably take for granted. I do my best to learn and I still mess up. The other day a twitch streamer banned me when I got a gartic phone prompt "csgo ragequit" and I drew a kid smashing their keyboard with a text bubble that read "NI-", which was meant to suggest a slur. In my head I was poking fun at how kids resort to slurs when they lose. In the streamer's eyes I was being a racist dirtbag. And at this point I'm just ranting, but holy fuck, is this shite hard. I know I'm not in the right. It sucks to be called racist, but it probably sucks harded to be a victim of racism whether it's intentional or a misunderstanding. I try my best and I'll keep on trying my best. I'm not that much of a furry, but I am lgbt so I am still a minority who (unintentionally) discriminizes against another minority. This was a really helpful video and I'm just glad that at least I don't do this shite on purpose like these people do.

[@MAWZ_GOD]

As a black nb, yeah I deal with subtle racism within this community. We POC are apart of your history and we won't just go away just cause you refuse to acknowledge us. Having our own flags just gives more acceptance and makes it more welcoming place. We need these places because we POC deserve welcome just like anyone else.

[@skachor]

Yes, people don't realize just how essential flags are.

[@kvjbreaker7054]

I’m asexual and…to be fair…I don’t feel any connection to my flag. Maybe because I don’t know it’s history, or maybe I don’t know the struggles other asexuals have dealt with. Either way…it doesn’t make me feel disconnected for being asexual…it just makes me feel like I might be missing out of something here.

[@DaWoWzer]

the flags are completely unnecessary, dividing people is completely counter productive and despite saying it's for acknowledgement and empowerment, all it does is come across as everyone trying to steal attention for themselves. As it is what they did the pride flag is beyond insulting and the damn thing looks like a parody of itself. No one ever looked at the rainbow pride flag and though "ah yes, the white LGBT flag" by trying to be overly categorical we're making ourselves look like loons.

[@MAWZ_GOD]

@@DaWoWzer so you're saying adding more flags to allow creativity and welcome, is attention seeking? Please explain???

[@DaWoWzer]

@@MAWZ_GOD the pride flag itself is welcoming, to think otherwise is literally wanting a hand written invitation just to feel special. i mean the rainbow as picked on purpose it wasn't just willy nilly throw away decision. if you don't realize it's symbolism and how trying to be "more inclusive" actually undermines it idk what to tell you. it's literally the rainbow the entire spectrum do you not get that?

[@lennyface6828]

I'm not a furry (Ik my pfp looks like I am one) but I think the furry community is great despite it's issues highlighted in this video. Hopefully the furry community can gradually improve over time to be more friendly with people of all colors and backgrounds!

[@DatDapperBoi]

Remember kids, bigotry is cringe.

[@x_aquatix_x]

remember kids, dont talk to degenerates.

[@0quamarin3]

Honestly as a black person and female im saddened from how this fandom has treated me and i never felt welcome at all, you get called slurs or stereotyped for being black or as a female you get harassed just for being female and have some weirdo homo creep saying 'ew vagene' over and over or when you try to make a male friend in the fandom they suddenly have a crush on you after talking to them for a week :/

[@skachor]

"Weirdo homo"? Are you sure you're as distanced from ism as you say?

[@pinkpupbutt9299]

Really gross internalized homophobia here, just because you were harassed by gay men doesn't mean you get to be homophobic, you being a lesbian doesn't excuse it either. Does it suck that the fandom wasn't as well welcoming as it should? Yeah. Does it suck that there's gay men who express disgust towards women and afab people? Yeah, but their misogyny doesn't give you the right to be homophobic. You control the spaces you occupy online, if a group of folks are being dicks, BLOCK them, REPORT it if possible and surround yourself with the content and people you want to see. If you go to an in person meet up and find that you're uncomfortable for whatever reason, Leave! Hit the bricks!! You don't have to stay in places you feel unsafe and you have the right to leave whenever you want. You gotta remember the Block button is rated E for everyone, that you curative your spaces online and that you have a right to feeling safe when interacting with others. You don't have the right to be homophobic because you were harassed, it's that type of behavior that sets us all back as a community, you can call out mistreatment without being a bigot in return.

[@kvjbreaker7054]

How often has this happened? I mean that with legitimate curiosity. I’m not a PoC but I haven’t had any negative interactions with furries since being in the fandom. But maybe it’s that you haven’t met the right people in the fandom? I don’t know…I’m just throwing out thoughts.

[@0quamarin3]

ive been on discord and amino, trust me its more common than you think@@kvjbreaker7054

[@aldxbaran]

Humanity is scum

[@randontimberwolf4007]

As a black furry artist, I often have my head in the sand when it comes to a lot of this. It isn't by choice, I do try to stay informed, but I can never find anything. Even with that, I'm lucky I haven't had any issues when people learn my race

[@DirtyDerg]

"We should be proud of our history" when you talk about identities that were made overnight without a significant support group, backing, consistent ideology between those involved or on top of not being remotely tied to anything and saying "remember our history" as if the collective whole of identities are all represented under one unifying principle/concept of 'human rights' is banal & the point falls flat when people start differing in opinion on what that shared goal/end result should be.

[@dregnis-488]

You can stack that on top of this idea, that a flag meant to represent a group of one immutable characteristic, _isn't inclusive enough_ because it doesn't represent every single constituent subgroup and/or person. It's just insecurity-driven whining, with the side effect of dividing the former group into smaller divided pieces.

[@Jaeghound]

Hey friend, great video but I wanted to ask to please not rewrite transexual history to fit an agenda! Marsha P Johnson has never claimed to be a trans woman, and transvestite is synonymous to cross dresser. What she did was defend cross dressers, gay men, lesbian women, and transsexual individuals, because we all existed around the same sphere at that time. I am a transexual man and this stuff is so frustrating, I get the desire to want to be an ally but spreading falsehoods as facts only increases the misinformation around transsexual history. I, a transexual man, am not the same as Marsha P Johnson in that I have a genuine medical condition, but she was an amazing ally! I do not dress up as my non biological sex for entertainment or drag purposes, it is quite offensive to conflate the two concepts.

[@purplepeak8575]

Let's hopefully not have the comments disabled again lol.

[@growingup15]

Looking at the Comments I'm happy to see even more Black Furries than I thought. I thought I was alone for awhile until like the past 5 years when I found at least 10 local black furries in my city. I have been a furry since 2005 and weirdly enough I felt more accepted back then than I am today. But I think I feel like that because I just been exposed to a lot more and have seen a lot more over the past 18 years being in this fandom. so far as I know it could have been a thing going on back then even in the 2000s. Great video :3

[@maggotdream]

I wanna critique one thing right off the bat. I just want to politely point out that "furry" is not a minority group. Being a minority implies you didn't choose to be one. People choose to be furries. It's important that this distinction is made. For furry to be a minority, one would have to be born a furry, which is obviously not possible. Don't get me wrong, this fandom has A LOT of minority groups within it. And I'm not saying that furries don't face mockery or targeted hate, because we do. But it's not the same kind of oppression marginalized people face. I'm queer and a furry, so I feel the difference between targeted hate towards my queer identity that I didn't choose and my furry hobby that I willing choose to partake in. It wasn't a conscious decision for me to be queer, it's just the way I am. I can drop furry at any time, but I can't just stop being queer. I love your videos and I'm glad you're covering this concept. Bigotry in the furry community is so often overlooked, racism especially. I hope I'm not coming off too harsh, I just thought it was important to point out the difference between a minority group and a wrongfully stigmatized community of hobbyists.

[@science_bear]

Homosexual queers started the fandom and people attracted to the opposite sex are why we're seeing the racists and predators.

[@science_bear]

Homosexuals created the fandom originally as a space for other homosexuals, and homosexuals are in fact a minority. People attracted to the opposite sex messed it all up though.

[@DarkfoxTamamo_21]

11:11 I am a poor soul that lives close to the god forbidden Free Fur All con. And I am glad that it is a failed con. I am part of a small majority of Oklahoma Indians within the 5 civilized tribes of Oklahoma who are in the furry fandom. Which some people have been critical on the criticism on the term Red Skin, savage(and yes I have been called that on multiple occasions) and even though we are a small majority( and yes there is stigmatism towards those in the fandom within indigenous peoples within both the US indigenous within the states of Oklahoma, New Mexico [Which is where the Navajo live] and Arizona and those left behind and are living in areas of ancestral importance) which the fact that a lot of us have been targeted by our old stereotypes seen in Old Western films like any John Wayne film. But there are a small majority within indigenous cultures in the fandom as well. And about even less of that culture fit within the LGBTQ. Which is where I fit in. We have been under the category of internalized racism due to the fact that our past as people who lived in camps and ancestral beliefs have been called savages due to our overprotective nature of family.

[@predrenwalker2401]

Some of the points are debatable.

[@GTAB-k3z]

Just forgive me that I am wrong, but did you say furries are an oppressed minority 💀

[@TheDestroyerOfFurries]

The whole furry fandom is just f***d up.

[@science_bear]

And it's the fault of people attracted to the opposite sex like you.

[@esbenm6544]

cry👶

[@TheDestroyerOfFurries]

@esbenm6544 is gonna be sobbing

[@science_bear]

@@TheDestroyerOfFurries you're a furry raider

[@howdidyougethere798]

@@science_bear you seen confused

[@connermckeone4915]

I'm now realizing this video is about actual racism and not discrimination between different spieces of furries and I'm kinda disapointed

[@itsgamingtime7439]

I feel weird putting furries in like "minorities" like obviously yes being a furry is stigmatised, heavily in some cases. But its not the same as being trans, or being gay or being the target of racism or xenophobia. It is a fandom as the title says, its completely optional to be a furry, its not like you're born a furry its just a fun thing to do. I'm really tired when I wrote this so I don't know if I'm making any sense. But Essentially I think you shouldn't complain too much about being discrimintated against for being a furry, it is just a hobby, albeit a pretty in depth one.

[@FunnyFany]

I get you and I agree with "furries aren't an oppressed minority" statement at face value. Here's the thing though: the community is very largely comprised of lgbt+ and/or neurodivergent people, and much of the anti-furry attitude is thinly-veiled queerphobia and ableism. Which makes it quite baffling that there are a significant number of bigots in the community (though it's not so surprising once you realize a lot of those chuds are 4-chan brain-poisoned anons who love to be "ironically cringe" for the joke)

[@itsgamingtime7439]

@@FunnyFany oh, yeah thats totally true. I was really tired when I wrote this, but I mean like it doesn't seem like interminority hate when looking at furries in a vacuum. There are definitely a lot of queer furries.

[@URnightmares162]

Bruh, not the last video about fiddlefox having the comment section full of racists and transphobes in her support.

[@snowcloudshinobi]

fiddle is a victim. if someone posed as a friend so that they could get close to you and then leaked a bunch of problematic shit you said to them in confidence, that wouldn't be very cool, would it? obviously, if fiddle was saying this stuff to people's faces, then it would be different. have some compassion.

[@journeytorainbownights]

YWNBAW

[@happyhour4670]

she did nothing wrong, everything she said was private

[@URnightmares162]

Lmao, brain dead words. Private or not, she said that stuff. It's good that stuff was leaked, because that is shitty human behavior. edit: that "YWNBAW" comment, i searched up what does those letters mean, lmao, im a man, not a woman.

[@happyhour4670]

@@URnightmares162let's not act like people ever have a problem with people being racist towards white people publically and getting praise for it, compared to being racist to black people (to someone who isn't black) privately

[@dannyracc]

This is a great and informative video, but my english teacher mother's teachings is nagging at the misspelling of "alcohol"

[@CalcioFan4Ever]

Meh il probably get hate for it. But i feel peeps talk about discrimination more than its actually happening. Some people are just dicks, it doesnt have to do with you race,sex, or beliefs. They just dont like you in general xD

[@Doppler_the_Protogen]

Beautiful art. Absolutely gorgeous. Edit: YES! SOLARSABER!!!!! Glad to see her getting recognized, she's one of my favorite channels, been watching for a looooong time!

[@Vomitperson]

Yess solarsaber

[@sleep_deprived_stormworker]

oh look at that, one of the people i watch getting mentioned.

[@professionalfatherdoer]

Furries in the racism fandom vid comes out when?

[@ndr_32]

As a Jew I must say I have found atisemitism in the LGBT community. I don't know how is being a Jew in a furry community

[@FuzDoesStuff]

Judaism is pretty damn small in the furry fandom, actually.

[@DulcetNuance]

I wanna point out some important nuances with the Amir Locke situation. He was killed by a cop yes, but I think most people would find it to be justified after knowing the details. Yes it's a tragedy and yes it would be better had it not happened, however according to all the sources I can find and the body cam footage, Locke was armed and pointed a gun in the direction of the officers. People need to consider that not every situation where police kill a black individual is one worth fighting for. If you point a gun at the police and get shot, then the police did exactly what they were trained to do and they should be allowed to protect themselves from the threat of violence. The police can't know your intent, but if you have a gun what are they supposed to assume? That you're gonna give them a tip of your hat, a kiss on the cheek, and say "How Do You Do?" It's sad yes but there is likely no justice to be served. In the end Hanneman did the right thing with the information he had and punishing him would be vengeance not justice.

[@hardboiled2987]

Good luck getting through to these bozos. Theyre so attached to their ideology that anything that happens just has to happen to support their "cause". Ironically its kinda racist to jump to the conclusion that these people get killer strictly for being black. Its indirectly implying that black people are incapable of commiting acts that leads to them getting shot by the police (like any other regular human being) Left wing racism (what I described above) is as harmful as right wing racism.

[@arvurebantra7639]

"What do we need a black lesbian flag for, just use the NORMAL one" My god I have seen that word so many times in the furry fandom, and the fact is, if you use the term "normal" in this way, you are part of the problem, probably.

[@XiontheDark]

2 view gang

[@voidkirb5477]

Fantastic video. I feel incredibly outcast by the general fanbase being a 'hood fella', as my presence and the way I act simply make a lotta ppl uncomfortable. Which is why it's hard for me to interact with the fandom.

[@Magno_Money]

I’m ya’ stereotypical “gangsta”, even fly colors and bang rap music turnt up, use Ebonics, etc. Never felt particularly outcasted for it. Maybe it’s because that kind of stuff is becoming prevalent amongst this younger generation anyways; But I feel like it’s more about what part of the fandom you hang with and how open minded they are to who you are.

[@jackster10101]

I honestly don’t care if people are bigoted like oh someone doesn’t like trans people like oh no what a horrible person, like i don’t care if people dislike trans people or a minority group as long as they’re not harming anyone

[@rileysjonger4192]

they're literally harming people by saying those things.

[@jackster10101]

@@rileysjonger4192 no they’re not mate if you think someone’s getting harmed by someones words they’re just soft

[@bunny.castles]

​@@jackster10101 It's great for you that you aren't as rejection sensitive as others, but humans are all different. It doesn't make one soft to be affected by emotional abuse, particularly when it's deliberately inflicted. That's part of being human. You sound aloof and apathetic to put down others for having different brain chemistry to you. Do you see depression as "just being soft" too? It's not just someone's words. It's a large collection of people's words and if you're being told directly or not that the way you are is "unnatural" or "disgusting" every single day, it's gunna affect you psychologically. The same way we cringe seeing others get hurt in horror movies, words can hurt, or feel inadequate when broken up with. We're empathetic, emotional creatures.

[@bunny.castles]

You don't have to care what people call you. But if others are being hurt, it won't kill you to be empathetic and stand up for them, or at least empathise when them when you see it happening. Yes, we can try and let things not affect us, but when it does, telling someone "oh well you're just soft because that doesn't affect me" isn't helpful to anyone but the bigots who see you condoning shitty behaviour and give themselves a big pat on the back for being one of the "strong" ones. You're choosing to shit on people who are already being shit on.

[@jackster10101]

@@bunny.castles yes if someone like a trans person is getting upset for being called him when it’s a trans woman than yes that person is soft, and I’m not saying depression isn’t real I’m not arguing against depression and honestly if you are going by they them your literally asking to be bullied

[@VectorGlitch]

I was a member of a fairly popular furry youtuber's Patreon Discord over the past year. I saw a growth of "jokes" about race over that time and was eventually kicked after calling them out directly for some direct racist statements. I know people around them will push them away and speak out more but... I also know that their actions are going to go on unpunished for way longer than they should before that will happen.

[@science_bear]

It's because the majority of the fandom at this point is people attracted to the opposite sex.

[@MaliciousCat]

Feline Furry here. I'm not gay or trans. I'm a straight man. But I'm also not a biggot, or racist. I'm not apart of the LGBTQ-123-ABC community, but I'm not against them either, and support them. But I have heard that there are biggots in our community and it's sad. Dragging that filth inside a positive community. We are supposed to be a kind understanding and accepting Commmunity. But as you said... we are still unfortunately human 'irl'.

[@science_bear]

If people attracted to the opposite sex were banned from being able to join then there wouldn't be the racists and sex pests like Foxler.

[@kritten264]

came for the furries, stayed for gay people history

[@timmyrap1o1]

As a straight man in the community I have also have face a lot of discrimination in the community being banned from multiple servers just because I'm not attracted to men and trans people this even gets to the point where people have tried to convert me or reason with me and try to convince me not what I'm attracted to somehow makes me a bigot like wtf am I not allowed to be attracted to what I'm attracted to United States the exact same issues years ago I am not your enemy and why do you guys sometimes persistently attack me I don't understand just let me like what like and so should to if I don't want to date a man or a trans woman there shouldn't be any with that and yet some people see an issue with it

[@timmyrap1o1]

Sorry about all the grammar errors I was using speech to text I have a massive spelling disability due to my autism and other issues I have

[@Dheast]

As a straight man myself, I’m scared for what’s next lol

[@howdidyougethere798]

if (big if) this is real, this seems more like a you problem, because it seems you are just in the shitty parts of the community.

[@amongusboi2032]

Furry guy on the internet: look... Furry but straight is not okay to furs. That's like saying I read book of God but just for fun. THats bad!!! Please convert to LGBTQ

[@tamaruautumn5325]

With that second one, I partly agree with it. I don’t think that illegal immigrants are much more Dangerous than your average American, or legal immigrant. But I do think it is a good idea to own a gun for self protection purposes, as long as you use it safely, and inlet when necessary it can be very helpful and even life saving if it comes down to it. Just please go to a gun safety course beforehand, so you know how to store it, and use it without accidentally shooting it. Mainly just muzzle control, keep ammo and the gun in a different safe, and NEVER EVER put your hand on the trigger UNLESS you are absolutely shure that you should shoot at whatever is and front of you, and that you are ready to shoot after. If you can’t be responsible with a gun, don’t buy one, you are danger to you and everyone else.

[@tamaruautumn5325]

I should have said this first but diplomacy is always the first course of action, and a gun is not the second. Think of all the ways you could handle a distressing situation without killing some moms child, humans are more reasonable than you think, and the police response time isn’t that long in most areas.

[@klaus.sfc01official30]

I think racism is the least problematic thing in the furry fandom, And that says something

[@GenghisConnThr333]

Fiddleafox did nothing wrong.

[@DoggyBingBong]

REAL AND TRUE!

[@PinyonTree]

As a poc furry just seeing the furry bigots is just hilariously awful like it makes me laugh but it also makes me feel disgusted cuz all of these type of people are huge creeps

[@riv4lm4n]

despite being 2% of the fandom, hyena fursona commit 52% of the furry crimes.

[@Spubbily01]

There's a reason why I, a furry, don't interact with the furry community.

[@ThumbKnuckle]

Fandom adjacency is bliss. Thankfully the angriest some furries have gotten against me was over me not being vegan. Since I am now trying to take up the orthodox fasting calendar I'll practically be vegan a third of the year now anyway...

[@Alfenium]

ah shiet I didn't know furries could be based

[@devilchomps3295]

Its the outside look to POCs being furries. Ive never experienced racism within the fandom, but being a black furry, i always get comments by outsider blacks asking me "Blacks do this shit too?" Or "you cant be black if you're into that" There's not a lot of us, but i always get excited when i find more black furries within the community. I just wish we stopped hating each other based on what we do as a hobby, it's stupid

[@NebulaHasADigBick]

i am literally black, i don't experience a lot of racism in the fandom, but many anti/nonfurs call me racial slurs and terms

[@DoggyBingBong]

Furry uncle ruckus

[@NebulaHasADigBick]

@@DoggyBingBong nuh uh i just imagined this 💀😭😭😭

[@science_bear]

@@NebulaHasADigBick I think he's a furry raider or something

[@NebulaHasADigBick]

@@science_bear FURRY RAIDERS IS CRAZY😭

[@science_bear]

@@NebulaHasADigBick agreed

[@blueberrypitbull87]

I'm curious how people feel about POC being racist against other POC. It does happen and is overlooked a ton. A POC tiktok user I follow has others harassing and attacking him all the time for calling out criminals and other troublemakers in his community. And he takes it in stride. But still, it's not right that he has to endure that.

[@Domainexpansioncolon3]

The second half of the video seems to be littered with indefensible propositions, off-topic nonsense, and even hypocrisy. It's only somewhat watchable bc of the cute drawing talking to me. Oh yes, go on a needlessly pedantic rant about how 'apolitical' is meant to mean that they're "anti politics" when you already clearly know that the point was to say they have actual freedom of speech and aren't gonna go after you for believing things. Also yes, l need you to tell me things like "it's okay not to be political". Thanks for being a good parent. Just by scrolling through the titles and thumbnails of your other videos I'm willing to bet there are moral propositions that you'd shame people for not accepting, and I'm willing to bet you believe politics is of moral importance. That would logically entail that you DON'T actually believe it's okay to be apolitical. But sure, thanks for telling me it's okay to be apolitical dad.

[@Domainexpansioncolon3]

An example of institutional racism would be affirmative action

[@PeaBrain87]

Sometimes im scared I make other minorities feel unwelcome around me for racist reasons but im autistic and absolutely hate being near strangers regardless of their race. Idk i just felt like i needed to tell somebody

[@hardboiled2987]

This is the issue with these "tolerance/acceptance" ideologies. Makes people feel exactly like youre feeling. Just treat each person as you would with anyone else, without race being a factor in your perspective. Adapting your approach becausw the person is black just to be more "inclusive" is STILL fucking racist lmao. Its just not a right wing type of racism. Both are bad. Stop using twitter

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

@@hardboiled2987 The disabled are used and abused behind the scenes more than it seems by these idealogue-groups. You have no idea my friend.. But at least you have a 'Clue' as to how vast the rot goes with them. That guy frightened-fella? He and the others wont ever be aware of even THAT much. +

[@riley939]

make a video of the racism in the rogue lineage community, the amount of hard r's I've seen and said 😭🙏

[@Jasmin-lg3gf]

I know it's a serious topic, but the title makes me think of a bunch of cats carrying "dogs out" signs.