The Inevitable Downfall of Free Fur All

[@Changa_Husky]

Fun Fact: There were more people at the first furry convention in 1989 then there was at this event.

[@Changa_Husky]

Also I've had house parties bigger than this.

[@haaxxx9]

That is fucking sad yet funny as hell!

[@tanthis24]

So in a proverbial nutshell this so called con is nothing more then a gathering of furry nazis and degenerates that have been ousted by other cons

[@KitSunZoro]

yea, they deserved being there by themselves.

[@tanthis24]

@@KitSunZoro well after hearing the attendees numbers from this one I see it being lower next time around that’s if there’s a next time

[@hharpu]

seeing jasona and his gf dancing in the corner while everybody else is just standing around in the corner is hilariously depressing

[@wubbinz]

biohazards

[@tanthis24]

How much you want to bet they were the ones that bought out the high level tickets for the week and wish they’d didn’t

[@chrustyfir7159]

You can see jason in suit jamming alone in the middle lmfao

[@imperialkilometers]

It's also worth mentioning that their promotion heavily featured AI art. There was a screenshot that was straight ripped from Far Beyond the World with an AI filter slapped over it. Everything about this con just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[@paleoberd]

Exactly

[@I_want_a_discount_in_life]

Wait..what?? Now I want to see it, what the frick, where is it?

[@NeekoGood]

The animated promo art at 13:09 is clearly AI generated when you look at the details 😂

[@KatietheKreator]

ai art is not even art since there's no skill or creativity behind it, just a robot replicating human creations

[@SynthwaveDuck]

Why don't you strike over it? Then AI can get even more work and get even better

[@Charnel_Heart]

I don't know how it is in other countries, but in America "apolitical" or "without agendas" is normally just a secret code word for "no leftists"

[@redman7775]

That's only for Rebublicans. For Liberals, those things mean "no rightwingers"

[@liammcallister726]

Imma break those rules

[@kellyshea92]

Idk why the fandom is playing Divide and Conquer. Its another great reason why I left.

[@liammcallister726]

@@redman7775 liberals are right wingers

[@yourfriendlysubaruoutback]

And by no leftists, they mean people to the left of not wanting to hunt the homeless for sport.

[@ThreeStrikesOfVoid]

I hate that they used the top gun/fighter jet imagery as a fighter jet enthusiast because that just makes us fighter jet enthusiasts look bad :(

[@zobius9191]

I feel the same way, they make furries look like a bunch of cringey socially awkward losers.

[@GoroMajimaOfficial]

same, man.

[@junacreates]

this is so real, as someone who isn’t a part of top gun’s… “targeted demographic”

[@valekofastora1027]

You're good! I don't put that on fighter jet enthusiasts. Fighter jets are cool.

[@HeckinDoga]

If anyone associates top gun or especially fighter jet imagery with furries let alone a subsect of furries, that's a them problem and quite unfounded. To assume people would is equally ridiculous imo

[@oisinsharkie]

porter robinson did not deserve to have the shame of his music being played at this con, poor porter. ):

[@mellow4356]

MY EXACT POINT! It makes me furious that this happened, especially with... man I don't even wanna say their names :/ The infamous three, Jessie, James, and Meowth.

[@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift]

besides the "anti-woke and anti-cancel culture" gimmick, this convention provides you nothing about going back to "the roots of the furry fandom". (which was another advertising talking point they tried to convince disallussioned furrys). by making a convention that even the burned Furs of the late 90s would not want to even touch with a ten foot stick. all you get is a struggling fur meetup in kansas littered with american flag paraphernalia filled with attendees that have their own decidcated lolcow video essays on youtube. if this was their attempt to mimick the artisitc and social culture durring the time of ConFurence, they failed and would be outcasts even back then

[@helion_ut]

Dude, those people were wearing armbands based on the Nazi ones, wdym "anti woke and anti-cancel". The latter is a reasonable thing to be because those are extreme leftist things that suck because all extremes suck. Those guys aren't just "We hate extremist leftists", they are literally alligning themselves with Nazis-

[@Simon_Q]

I might be cringe but this con is not only cringe and awful, its also sad.

[@trainshark5213]

Something sad is how Furrys waste their lives in 1 single suit

[@Its_Asteria]

​@@trainshark5213furries don't live in a suit and most furries don't even have a suit lmao

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

​@@Its_Asteriamost furries don't know George Bush is the grandson of aleister Crowley, and that it's all a sick sick game played by ultrarich political groomers like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Most furries are happy having a simple life, and that is good. That's why these spaces shouldn't mingle with politics really, there world complicates what's beautiful as it is

[@CarlytheWolf23]

​@@trainshark5213some furries have multiple fursuits, some only have one, but most furries have none. Plus it's their choice if they want to use the money they earned from their jobs to get the luxury item that is a fursuit, yeah we technically don't need it, but of they want it, and can afford it, then they get to do what they want with their money.

[@Axo3773]

@@trainshark5213 Exactly! They don't get to take a shower! Like I just took one!

[@moony_otter]

Can't wait to see the most open, loving community in the world continue to show bigots, pedophiles, and groomers that they aren't deserving of that respect lmao

[@aevenova9780]

We aren't anthrocon

[@moony_otter]

@@aevenova9780 thank geebus fr lol

[@thefoxyramirez]

Can we include baby-furs in that list please? The mental gymnastics involved in tolerating baby-fur garbage on one hand, and crusading against pedos on the other is just bewildering to me. I mean, I can't help but point out that while Jason is banned from FA, Zaush is still peddling pedo-bait to the tune of over $10,000 a month in Patreon bucks and an open account on FA & Inkbunny. I think it's pretty obvious people like that are getting a pass because they either have the right friends, or they're paying lip service correctly. This community isn't as noble as its white knights would like to presume it to be.

[@TheFakeGooberGoblin]

@@thefoxyramirez Basically if ur racist, a groomer, or homophobic and a furry con organizer and your left wing then you just happen to be a bad apple who doesn’t represent the group. But if you are all those things and right wing, then your convention is exclusively for homophobes, neo-nazis, etc and at minimum people who support/are okay others who believe those things.

[@Its_Asteria]

​@thefoxyramirez fur affinities main runner actively doesn't remove problematic people especially if they're friends. I think there's a video about it. But I stopped using furaffinity to post artwork when I found that out 💀 And unfortunately since the owner of the site is part of the main issue. So I've gone back to just using Instagram despite how the tags don't function well anymore. But yeah. I actually don't know anymore how to fix the issue. It'd require the entire site to just be either deleted or given to someone else more responsible. But outside that what CAN we do? Even if more people speak up against them, what can we do about online spaces? Real world spaces will be easier to deal with but I'm curious what you'd advise for online repairs?

[@arken2583]

Any con with Jasonafex or someone similar as a “Guest of Honor” is not somewhere I would want to be.

[@haaxxx9]

Knew this shit was going to be a slow-motion train wreck. The con was about 4 1/2 hour long drive to where I am at right now but I gladly went to Texas Furry Siesta Instead. Really close to me and less bullshit to deal with!

[@tanthis24]

Well after seeing the amount of people that attended this event I don’t see it lasting much longer

[@svndwich977]

agreed, but wait until you hear about this guy named jeffery epstein

[@cadsquade]

Love how the "Guest of Honor" is the same guy who didn't want to pay rent

[@Captain_Echo]

dear god, i love the fandom, but not those who abuse privilages within this community, though hopefully the saying "what goes around comes around" really happens against these morons. i am a furry, and i hate furry haters, though i can understand them to an extent because of this bad side of the fandom causing issues, and these people are the prime reason i tend to stay away from the fandom's community.

[@53ns3i]

Who grants these special privileges? And what are they?

[@shizw1919]

I'm both a furry and a furry hater and my hatred is informed by the fandom itself lol

[@KatietheKreator]

yep. as a furry I generally stay away from the fandom because I've heard of a lot of toxicity and petty drama, and there's a lot of inappropriate content and I don't want to see that stuff

[@Captain_Echo]

@@KatietheKreator i mean, yeah, but most of that drama comes from Twitter groups lmao, though there's always drama somewhere, and the other things, there's not so much toxicity as much as there is just NSFW content (not as bad as it used to be)

[@RitardandoTheMailman]

AGreed

[@Fanthrose]

13:42-13:45 If you were worried about Foxler hitting you for showing his fursuit, you missed this moment.

[@Zuion_Art]

bro fursuit looks like my 4 years old drawing if smoken white powder.

[@vultusalbus4216]

Do you know why the name Foxler is suspicious. Try covering the first syllable, then alter the first three letters and there you go. Seriously

[@mdude3]

​@@vultusalbus4216I dont get it.

[@vultusalbus4216]

@@mdude3 Never mind. Besides Foxler has partly ruined the public image of foxes

[@therealmistermemer]

​@@mdude3Hitler.

[@EpicWolfy98]

I was at Ireland's first furry con, AnthroIrish, last weekend and it had 131 members in total despite us being such a small country. I'm so glad it went better than this so-called "convention" lol, it was genuinely a very good time and hopefully it will continue to grow

[@debleb166]

Ireland has its' own furry con now?! That's great news! How did it go?

[@EpicWolfy98]

@@debleb166 It was very small but it was nice and chill, good vibes all round

[@ScreamTelehead]

I hope it keeps going! Always nice to see cons pop up in new countries.

[@MyMika2004]

stIll sO pissed i missed that lmao

[@MyMika2004]

stIll sO pissed i missed that lmao

[@WTCheatShaming]

You fail to mention that their art was all entirely AI generated

[@sparkyfolf9487]

It was done on purpose to troll. If not that it's possibly because nobody in they're right mind likes them.

[@WTCheatShaming]

@@sparkyfolf9487 I guess you didn't hear that almost their entire budget and ticket sales were stolen by one of their members?

[@Gentledemons]

As someone who lives in America, I think i can speak for all of us when say that we don’t claim this hell of a furcon

[@SynthwaveDuck]

As an American, I repudiate this pedantic nitwit Brit's tongue-wagging in the US's general direction

[@Justguy363]

I am glad i am european

[@SarsTheSecond]

@@Justguy363 no freedom in Europistan. You wanted sharia law barbarians in your countries and now they are the worst criminals.

[@SynthwaveDuck]

@@Justguy363 It's good to be proud of what you are, except if you are one of those shunned, proscribed things. American is one of them to many. Glad for you too. Love your homeland! I love mine!

[@Justguy363]

@@SynthwaveDuck what do you mean shunned and proscribed things exactly? Furries? Sorry english is not my main language. And you are from usa?

[@uhhhhu8533]

Jasonafex, his wife and the chairman of the furry convention sounds like my nightmare blunt rotation

[@saintsheepy6682]

You mean his wives, he and Kabs are in a poly relationship with Peacewolf. 🤢

[@tanthis24]

I’m surprised that no one has taken a swing at this abomination of a human being or at least reported him to the authorities

[@saintsheepy6682]

@@tanthis24 Same with me, and it's also disgusting how it hasn't been until *NOW* that Furaffinity banned him and Kabs, it should happened the second that animal groomed Kabs when she was 15.

[@queenofevilwhamenz8370]

the fact that right-wing furries will bitch and moan about being "cancelled" outta the fandom - which is full of LGBTQ+ and PEOPLE OF COLOR - when they actively support ideas that call for the extermination of said people just.... it truthfully makes my brain itch lmfao

[@LonginusDlyun]

You marxists are insane

[@1992TheDiamondWolf]

The same voter that vote for the most worsted president name joe Biden and his crackhead son Hunter you prove my point that furry cons are liberals only.

[@1992TheDiamondWolf]

Democrats are the one that hated black people and yet they get brainwashed by the Democrats and the Liberals News Media

[@53ns3i]

Meanwhile in Africa their doing the exact opposite, just with the roles reversed. So who fkn cares. Rise above.

[@SamWeltzin]

@@53ns3i Yes, we know that the right wing sucks everywhere.

[@LinkDragon512]

I was wanting to get to a fur con around 5 years ago, but since then I'm honestly glad I haven't. I wouldn't so much as feel safe with the way things are nowadays, it's really sad tbh...

[@loggior.speedweed4345]

please explain; baring this one i haven't heard anything negative about furcons themselves. The only 'controversy' I heard of are influencers and outsiders infiltrating the cons to harass people and spread their hateful messages.

[@loveprogram99]

Small cons are super awesome. Houston has an awesome and wholesome con that I recommend:3

[@Azestii]

Honestly I had a pretty good experience at my first con. Trick is to plan. Do lots of planning. Know the area, know the hotel, know the con space the events you know you wanna hit. if you're going to get roommates, room with people you know and that you trust. Ideally, people who have been to cons before and know how to navigate them.

[@KilerkRazorclaw]

@@loveprogram99 Small cons are the way to go, i'am a habitual attendee of Mephit Fur Meet. I even get people from overseas to fly out to it.

[@shimo_96]

Few cons are like this one. In fact, most cons are the polar opposite of this. Granted, any public space is gonna have its risks, but I wouldn't say a furcon is any more dangerous than any other convention.

[@poggersman4209]

It makes me irrationally angry to see them using a Top Gun theme for their con. I love Top Gun, I don’t want it associated with these guys

[@ginogatash4030]

Well it's an American and politically conservative charged con, so military glorifying propaganda is to be expected.

[@spyrothedragon9137]

I felt exactly the same, top gun is amazing and these bigots don’t deserve it

[@ginogatash4030]

@@spyrothedragon9137 no one "deserves" a film, but I get the frustration of seeing people like this ruining something you like by associating with it, sadly people doing that is just a fact you gotta deal with, and Top Gun's portrayal of the military unfortunately made it a prime target for these "apolitical" grifters.

[@spyrothedragon9137]

@@ginogatash4030 true, but yes. I don’t like seeing something I enjoy associated with people like this but yeah, unfortunately that’s just a fact at the moment. I really wish that they’d chose something else XD but yeah unfortunately that makes sense

[@ginogatash4030]

@@spyrothedragon9137 well it's not just at the moment, people do it all the time, fucking Patrick Bateman from American Psycho is seen as a genuine sigma male inspiring role model for some fucking people even when the film is all about how mentally unstable and insecure the guy is, and how he became a meme of alpha male culture. But I guess some people just really want to be like the out of touch rich guys in that film.

[@Max-oi5ny]

4 years from now internet historian will make a video on this

[@Bonklyboi]

When you said 'more boring than a retirement home', can confirm! I worked at one! And when we would have events, the residents actually enjoyed themselves.

[@669b]

im not a furry myself but i cant help but feel like being alt right and a furry is pretty contradictory

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

Not really, republicanism is rooted in constitutionalism. It doesn't mean I'd agree with every conservative value but I'm still voting for trump DESPITE being gay AND a furry due to his policies which in no way limit me.

[@internetgarfield8925]

For real it’s so funny. They don’t seem to realize the people they agree with politically genuinely HATE them

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

@internetgarfield8925 not really, many moderate Republicans don't care what you do as long as it isn't shoved in their face by a political agenda. They may not like people, but they respect them regardless.

[@hazesamas392]

@@toyotawitha20mm35 Safe to say that the Nazi furs probably dont really align with moderate Republicans.

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

@@hazesamas392 nazi furs has to he a fucking joke

[@kotelypiesely1268]

The more cons, the better, and as a foreigner I could vibe with the American theme, but *I wish there would be less racism, bigotry, and just general problematic stuff.*

[@Jack_Dawlia]

well it _is_ America themed..

[@yourfriendlysubaruoutback]

​@@Jack_Dawlia America isn't racist or bigoted as long as you don't look at our history

[@ginogatash4030]

​@@yourfriendlysubaruoutback or present day...

[@53ns3i]

😂 Haha pls, their issues are fkol mate, your worrying over nothing. This is the richest country in the world who has only known easy living. Oh sure, their "issues" are significant.

[@53ns3i]

​@@yourfriendlysubaruoutbackIts history, a time when the world was a different place and pioneers lead the way. It wasnt racist to those people it was just the way things were. People change, society changes, and nobody needs to be held accountable for a time that has no relevance to folks today. People should move on. But naturally when your used to easy living like in the US, its no wonder someone is gonna look for a reason to bitch and moan about something because there isnt anything else to complain over. And before long you have echo chambers and a never ending cycle of morons perpetuating things for no reason at all, and it seems the capitalist system just likes to bank on people who announce their stupidity to the world thus perpetuating shit even more. If you all wanna suffer so badly your welcome to trade places with some African or middle eastern country. You know, places where we are killed or kill others just walking to the store to buy smokes.

[@neverreverie3157]

As a POC, i didn’t really see the screenshot of Peace Wolf being racist as racist, but let me be clear- given her ties to the fury raiders, and the polygamous relationship she is in, I wouldn't put racism past her

[@aevenova9780]

He just throws buzzwords like that around to upset people. Don't take his hate-video seriously

[@xsushicatx2248]

@@aevenova9780yea this is the first video I’ve ever seen of this KZbinr and his content comes off bitter. I’m sure there is truth in this video somewhere but I can’t get past that time 😮

[@tylociraptor8131]

LOL one of the 'perks' was a private dinner with THOSE three? Now that's a Cosby party if I ever heard of one. I imagine they especially hoped some teen girls would buy that LOL oh god this was actually more pathetic and sad than DASHCON, even a ballpit included lmfao

[@nannerpuss9430]

at least Dashcon had a decent sized attendance of relatively good people. FFA had neither of those things.

[@gnomeitar2299]

As an oklahoman, I can’t express how much I hate that this was held in Glenpool

[@shibafox]

As a fellow Oklahoman, mood. I like to pretend it doesn't exist, especially when we have AnthroExpo and Tails & Tornados

[@oologahnorthernrailroad8873]

@@shibafoxexactly!

[@Arkiasis]

Oh don't worry, Jason and Kabs are from my city. So I can claim something even close.

[@valorrabbit]

Never heard of Glenpool. And as a Oklahoman, I’ll never go anywhere near this con.

[@elvangulley3210]

I mean doesn't the majority of your state support the philosophy of these freaks ? Oklahoma his one of the moat red states. I'm from Arkansas so it's the same bs here.

[@thevisionary5699]

It's weird how the furry fandom is so huge but has such a small presence on KZbin... I'm guessing it's because events keep collapsing 🤔

[@flintban]

It was huge on youtube, most moved to tiktok as its easier to gain traction on tiktok. And this event sucked bc it was ran by right-winged / neo nazis.

[@rahtjesu]

ikrrr yall remember the fursuit unboxings that were super popular?

[@starnblack09]

I was going to say that not all the right are the same. You know the left basically became the right

[@starlightsoiree]

@@starnblack09 are you touched in the head

[@MLTangerine]

I mean it’s just because most normies don’t get furries in their feed

[@fluidwolf]

Any convention that has jasonafex and kabier as guests of honor is doomed to fail. Oh and of course all the big packages are based around following them around. When they are literally sleeping with the owner I guess they make sure they are considered the most important thing. Hope no children bought those. It's a con that is barely disguised as a place for politics to not take over which I think would be really nice sometimes(a lot of things can become heavily divided between several really bad sides all villainizing each other) but is just an excuse to have really evil people all gather and praise themselves. Jasonafex and kabier won't learn from this though. We all know it. They have had so so so sooooo many ego checks over the years and every time they just keep pushing their heads up their own asses further and this will likely be no different. Considering they basically control the owner now it will probably get worse.

[@SynthwaveDuck]

Maybe it isn't ego and they're just looking for a place to have fun. Their critics may need ego checks but are mostly incapable of realizing it

[@abandonFandom]

​@DonaldDucksRevenge are you dense, willfully ignorant, or both?

[@SarsTheSecond]

Any con where your far leftist extremist toxic cant Glopossum is great?

[@haaxxx9]

Called this shit out weeks ago and I was right about Free-Fur-All being a total shitshow!

[@SynthwaveDuck]

@@haaxxx9 Hate, don't participate.

[@LaboratoryRatKing]

one time listened to 2 griffin try to do his toaster bit (literally its his only bit now) while he was drunk and in vrchat. one person in the croud yelled "this sucks" or something and 2 had a meltdown goin off about how he's 'too old' to be funny anymore. then he threw up

[@SidVacant69]

I did some embarrassing shit when I was drunk, but if I were 2, I'd just leave the Internet.

[@bluegold1026]

I bet the funeral march, excuse me I mean fursuit parade was just as lively as it was last year

[@e.c.sherman4749]

I find it amusing that they made it Top Gun themed when Top Gun is unironically the gayest straight movie I've ever seen.

[@realperson9104]

Can something really have a downfall if it started at rock bottom?

[@evilblade882]

That Sotn bit made me cry. How can you tarnish such a beloved classic!?! And my heart cries out for those two suiters to have to be labeled the same as this asshole cause he stole their suits(Made very poor replicas).

[@magnusdiridian]

For what profit is it to a furry if he gains a fursuit, and it gets copied? But you must always remember that the only thing necessary for Magnus to triumph is for good furries to do nothing.

[@evilblade882]

@@magnusdiridian I applaud you!

[@SatyrToon]

I'm not a furry so maybe this is just an aspect of the fandom I simply don't get, but how THE FUCK do you make hanging out in Animal Costumes political?

[@SamWeltzin]

Usually it's not, but some people like to put the Confederate flag or Nazi-esque armbands on their suits. Also most furries don't hang out in fursuits in the first place, so there's that too. lol

[@Sugunikokaisuru]

Honestly idk how it happens-

[@shimo_96]

I am a furry and I ask that question a lot.

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

I hope this doesn't tarnish the reputation of republican furries like me. This is not what we are like.

[@silvershocknicktail6638]

It's actually pretty simple to explain. Trump happened, all the far-right nutjobs in the fandom immediately outed themselves, and it turns out that an LGBT-friendly space full of alts and weirdos doesn't really want a bunch of fascists around. They all got butthurt at the backlash they received for being pretty nasty people, so they made their own con where they can be "real Americans".

[@armandoavello5012]

I just realized in 14:05, the guy literally recited a cutscene from Castlevania, Where Richter Belmont faces Dracula before they clash into battle

[@buffgoji2986]

Nazi furries are seriously such a weird concept. Say what you will about furries but they are seriously some of the most accepting people on the planet so having a part of the community that is right wing it's fuckin insane lmao

[@shimo_96]

Okay, this is like the 7th comment I've seen so far about right winged people all being bad (or at least implying that) and my response is this: I'm more on the right wing of politics than anything else (not by much tho) but I don't hate on the LGBTQ+ community, and I'm not racist. It saddens me to see that I'm not the only one like this, but I still get grouped up with the extremists... Everything else you said I 100% agree with, but not everyone that's right winged is the same, and many of us don't condone what those people did.

[@haaxxx9]

TOO Accepting for many different kinds of people sadly. Least in my opinion.

[@buffgoji2986]

@@haaxxx9 I mean you're not wrong lmao

[@webbyoyster]

If Kabs and Jasonafex are involved, then you know it's gonna be a mess

[@serPomiz]

between them, 'them', and the crowd that ends up orbitating around them, that is a given

[@tanthis24]

I wonder if magus has been sued for making counterfeits of other peoples suits

[@sparkyfolf9487]

​​@@tanthis24I wouldn't be surprised if so, kinda deserves it.

[@tanthis24]

@@sparkyfolf9487 either that or just knocked out entirely

[@fritzjackson4336]

Yeah your fucked fandom would prefer having pedos like chunie or zaush

[@talesoflizalfos661]

3:39 the John Konrad quote is so funny because the game it's from, Spec Ops: The Line, at minimum is a criticism of the contemporary military shooter for whitewashing war for the purpose of a typical hero fantasy, and easily lends to itself to reads of being a criticism of the American military. Something you think would be more repellent to someone going to a convention for, at minimum, a jingoistic crowd.

[@CyberpunkJordan]

Honestly, I'm not surprised how this ended up. I knew PeaceWolf (we were moots for a time, roughly 2019 or so) and it doesn't surprise me at all about the convention and how it ended up. I'm just fortunate to have left that side of the community long ago.

[@Gabriel-br3lo]

i wouldnt really consider myself a furry - maybe just someone who appreciates the art of fursuiting and someone who thinks anthro characters are cool - but watching furry spaces devolve into progressively more dangerous places is really... concerning to me. the fact that known zoophiles and pedophiles are STILL allowed in some conventions and other public spaces where animals and children could also be really worries me.

[@Its_Asteria]

It worries us too. Thankfully most larger cons have people banned. But the problem is some cons only ban people if the actions they make are during the con. Unless severe enough. Many people also tend to ignore art. Art isn't inherently bad but some of the nsfw art that clues us into how a person is like, should be valid evidence to suspect someone for something. But unfortunately both within the furry community and out of it within other groups, art is generally ignored on the basis of fiction. And it's awful. It's not the majority but it is a common issue

[@wooflesthewolf]

If there is anything that makes me incredibly happy, it's that this furcon not only flops hard but also unites furries and non furries in showing how dumb the idea of having a convention for discriminatory people within one of the most caring and open fandoms around really is. Hopefully if we all keep fighting this, they'll learn they have no place in our community.

[@ToxiCancun]

I will forever elude me how furry have nozi and or racist in the community...... this here should be unacceptable. Like regardless of the other aspect and propaganda thanks to some people that of its minority (low, low, low minority) racist people shouldn't be considered a furry.

[@ToxiCancun]

Racist furry aren't furry. They are just racist people wearing costumes

[@TrackerRoo]

Geez, at 50 people in attendance that's barely more people than in the furry community of my hometown. We had about 30 at one of the last local fur meets before I moved away. Decent amount of people given how small the area was. So for a convention, this huge event, to barely draw in more people is just beyond sad.

[@JoltageJoe56]

Starting at 2:28, I just pictured a whole bunch of vine booms after every line

[@schwarzerregen9338]

I'm not a furry but somehow this video popped up in my feed, not to mention the whole creepy Kabs and Jasona Fex poly cuckhold story popping up on twitter but this is the most pathetic convention for anything I've ever seen, that vendor hall with a bunch of folded down tables and one stall sellling song of the south, it really speaks volume when this was meant to be some "Free from politics" con and only 50 peopel show up with most being creeps or closet nazis is insane. I couldn't imagine lowering yourself in a fandom this bad.

[@ivycomb]

Your editing is on point dude

[@vesselunknown7961]

8:26 "What is a furry? A miserable little pile of drama." did he just- roast his own community?

[@RitardandoTheMailman]

Self-reflection, try it some time

[@helxeen2607]

The one fun thing we get out of FFA is a thing, is something to laugh at.

[@RonLaws]

and who to unfriend if you see FFA 🔜 in their name

[@primedvalkyr5993]

Strike 2 for FFA it seems, I hope this stain on the community is washed away and becomes a distant memory.

[@loggior.speedweed4345]

no, this can't be swiped under the rug or else you risk repeating the same mistakes. This is a stain that people need to be informed about; all the terrible people that go/make cons like this and the heinous acts they've done! Avoid at ALL COST!

[@primedvalkyr5993]

@@loggior.speedweed4345 Oh 100% agree. Probably not my best wording. I just want them to not be a thing lol.

[@Drexus.The.Mantled]

Having a nazi-esq armband, while having a bowl-cut is hilariously sad. At least actual nazis had decent fashion sense if anything aside from their lack of morals. Edit: Also, their mascots look like NFTs.

[@honeywasp7839]

ive never seen a sadder con in my life... even the infamous tumblr Dashcon had more of a thing going for it

[@Techno-Universal]

Foxler even got his layer in the Furry Raiders to send out formal seize and desist notices to creators that he disliked to prevent them from legally talking about him or the Furry Raiders. Pretty much they were threatening to sue those creators for defamation unless they complied.

[@_geno_]

2:59 just wanna say, polygamy and polyamory are different!! Polygamy is the practice of marrying multiple women, as a man, and is inherently misogynistic. Easy mix up just just fyi

[@Clappedseal]

Oh wow thank you! I'm poly myself and wasn't even aware there was a distinction lmao. Appreciate it :>

[@crayonsandcircuses100]

I kinda wanna go to turn it into a rainfur con, just be an absolute menace, and be on staff, so I could be undetectable

[@wolvesgirl1565]

I definitely think this is a good example to show just how small people like this are in the fandom (they are there but it's not as big as people think)

[@sunshadethedragon]

When donating to charity, you have to be good at researching. Not every charity will spend that money on good things. Autism speaks, for example, spends only a small amount of their donation money on the people they claim to represent, and have a history of using ads to scare parents about the “dangers” of an autistic child. As an autistic person, I know that autism isn’t scary, but it still feels sad that people misuse their status as a nonprofit to misuse donations. This is just an example of people not researching before donating, to make sure their money is actually helping people.

[@cogliastro83]

It’s really disheartening to just start looking into a community that’s supposed to be non judgemental and a place for people to just cut loose, be themselves and share in their love of the art, only to see that it’s been invaded by politics and bigotry. It’s really dis encouraging to people brand new to the fandom.

[@aevenova9780]

It's messed up when people like this dude make videos about a con they never went to, and just berate everyone he disagrees with.

[@SynthwaveDuck]

​@@aevenova9780Agreed. It's just the politics of personal destruction and shaming full-stop

[@SamWeltzin]

@@aevenova9780 So then nobody can dunk on FFA, since no one went to it?

[@shimo_96]

The great thing about the fandom is that even though stuff like that happens, everyone else just moves on and leaves crap like that in the past. Things that shouldn't be supported aren't supported and things that should be supported are welcomed with open arms.

[@elvangulley3210]

​@@aevenova9780the con supports racism bigotry homophobia sexism nazis pedophilia zoophillia of course it was condemned as it should be he should have went harder against it

[@dragonsteamworks6675]

Honestly I doubt jason and kabier will get an ego check given how toxic they both are. Literally no one could have shown up, not even staff and they'd still not get an ego check.

[@tanthis24]

These two are the gold metal holders for the most impressive skills of mental gymnastics I’ve seen

[@invaderkad]

Been really enjoying your videos! Just wanted to tell you that your fursona is so adorable 🥺

[@Flippyy]

i'm sorry but i can't ignore the fact that your sona is FRICKIN ADORABLE x3

[@TribbianiVR]

Relatively new to the fandom, I think about 2 years. As a Christian, if I would have had no idea before hand what this convention was promoting (as said in video) I would have left as soon as I found out. Disgusting

[@lockmuertos]

Don't tell liberal furries you're a christian :P

[@TribbianiVR]

@@lockmuertos I mean I’m not scared. If they hate me just for that then they aren’t any better then the people at FFA. Lol

[@mattwolf7698]

​@@lockmuertosUnless they aren't homophobic, misogynist or trying it push puritanical views onto others I don't see why any furry would hate them.

[@CozyBoat275]

"A funny little ball pit." Oh gods.

[@CraftyArts]

Hate to say it but, morphicon went on from 2003 to 2015 surviving on like a few 100 attendees at best. So i dont know, itll probably keep going out of spite. I have ideas howd theyd do that but ill keep them to myself.

[@cringynamemoment]

really enjoyed this one!! awesome video, i see a lot of potential in you blowing up. its well edited and interesting, plus the sprites are awesome!! cant wait to see more

[@Tarthalas]

god... this sounds like less like a con and more like a scam

[@primedvalkyr5993]

Or maybe it is a "con" just not the kind we are thinking of.

[@shimo_96]

Well they make a tier list that costs more for better amenities, which is a basic and widely used method of boosting sales. Then they "mess up" the donation to the charity... Seems like a scam to me.

[@elizabethwulf5787]

To be honest, this con deserved its downfall and deserved to be pointed and laughed at. From using AI generated images for promo "art", to the awful guests of honor, and to the much lower attendance numbers and more, I can't wait to see this become Rainfurest 2: Electric Boogaloo. But going out in a fizz with small numbers. EDIT: Seeing the Lucario suiter used in the video clips kinda hurts, like come on man, you really chose to associate with sugarcoated bigotry and groups with so many skeletons in their closet? Although, that goes for a lot of people attending.

[@tiny7607]

I actually thought you were talking about ffa as in future farmers of America lol.

[@galacticfire9727]

I do wonder how many people refused to attend who attended last year because of Peacewolf's recent developments. Surely a few

[@FindingTundra]

6:20 flustered clappy moment

[@beetledog5990]

The furry raider “arm badge” is insanely disrespectful holy crap.

[@aevenova9780]

Ikr?!? It's called an armband. 😂 this guy has a poor vocabulary

[@rossjohnstone4689]

Kind of like stadia, i think most of us saw this coming and, like stadia, its not surprising to see why.

[@loggior.speedweed4345]

at least the concept of Stadia sounded promising; unlimited space for video games. It's just the cloud service was terrible and advertising was missinformative

[@ginogatash4030]

​​@@loggior.speedweed4345 and the console was shit too, but yeah, the concept of what the Stadia was supposed to be is way more appealing than "fascist furry con".

[@ginogatash4030]

I honestly just don't get how furries of all fucking people think they have any ground to be bigots against other minorities like they're not considered sexual deviant freaks by pretty much everyone. Like you're not the fucking "succesful, neurotypical, non disabled, prude, non promiscuous, monogamous, cis gender, white, hetero sexual, man" that conservatives demand you to be all at once to truly respect and worship you, sure they're all mostly white but they definitely don't fit the bill in anything regarding sex or being neurotypical.

[@sockana]

That ball pit is dash-con esque.

[@sockana]

Haha, then you mentioned dash con at the end 😭😭😭

[@bluedotdinosaur]

The whole thing has actually been a useful and practical test of a hypothesis. The right-wing furry fan believes that the "woke" fans are in some way "ruining the fandom" - or in some way materially harming the experience of the right-wing furry fan. So they got their safe space. Nobody but those amenable to their rhetoric showed up. Yet the first year, by all accounts was ultimately tepid and pretty boring. There didn't seem to be much inspiration for fun subject and activities now that privacy had been attained. While it was promoted as a huge success after the fact, this seemed marketing spin. Exaggerated attendance figures, etc. So the test is what happens in its second year. The reality is that complaining about people online is low effort and low investment. It's easy to join a right-wing furry chat server and spend all day about the fandom being ruined and if only we could remove all the "woke leftists" everything would be fantastic. But it's pretty expensive to actually go do something. Takes travel and hotel funds, time off work, meals, and so forth. So what has happened is the attendees of Free Fur All voted with their time and wallets. Most of them didn't come back the second year. And almost nobody was enticed to try it for the first time. It just didn't accomplish anything and it wasn't fun. This suggests the problem with a certain kind of furry fan not having fun in the community has not in fact been the rest of the community.

[@LuthienNightwolf]

Kind of sad to see Safari Sanctuary has taken a turn for the worst, in more ways than one. I used to volunteer there about 11 years ago and they were definitely struggling. A lot of their operation runs on charity, including what they have to feed the animals. They used to be the main charity for our cons here in Oklahoma but I have noticed that’s not the case so much anymore.

[@rp0506]

Thank you for covering this con, empty as it was. I was seriously thinking of attending this one, just to see how it would break down. I thought it would have an explosive ending, like dashcon or rainfurrest. Instead, it looks set to simply fade into obscurity. Preferable for the sake of the community, but nowhere near as "flashy."

[@DATDUDEDOGE]

your videos are amazing keep up the great work! edit: I forgot to say this but, your my favorite commentary youtuber!

[@Datdudedoge1]

Yea

[@ivanwilliams7413]

Is having a ball pit at these cons now just a self inflicted Sword of Damocles? As a former amateur comic though, I'm kinda intrigued by the idea of fursuit stand-up.

[@KodyWulf]

Hi sir, Im the videographer for Free Fur All that crafted the convention video that you've used in the background. I see you have a credits section in the description and would personally appreciate it if you add video source credits alongside the music credits and such that you already have. Thanks! -Wolfboy Kody

[@Clappedseal]

Sure, I'll add those links when I get a second, plus the footage for last year's con Cheers for being civil, at the very least

[@KodyWulf]

​​​​​​@@ClappedsealThank you as well! There's no reason for me to get angry over differing viewpoints of other furries - it's not productive. That is a lesson that took me a few years to fully learn and practice, being honest. Anyways, thanks again and good luck with your future video projects!

[@tafifish]

That walk through the con looked like the backrooms. I would have hated being at a venue so empty

[@Schiverz]

The Furry Raiders would not be safe in Germany.

[@shimo_96]

I'm surprised they're still a thing in the US currently ngl

[@Schiverz]

@@shimo_96 well that's because they tend to hide the stuff, now if this were in Germany and the government found out what this was the members would be sent to jail to 5 to 10 years for Nazi association.

[@mattwolf7698]

​@@shimo_96Unfortunately neo Nazis are becoming more open in the US, they've protested in Nashville a few times and even outside of Disney world last year. They felt like they didn't need to hide anymore after Trump got elected

[@limbo_monotone]

I'd rather go to the willy wonka experience that this convention.

[@pancsaer2]

This is a great day for Furry Haters and Furries alike, and a great day for Right Wingers and Left Wingers. Truly a moment that pleases everyone.

[@shimo_96]

Pretty crazy how something like this can bring people with such different opinions together. It's weird how that kind of stuff works...

[@pancsaer2]

@@shimo_96 Yeah ikr. Truly something all of us can make fun of.

[@paradox3267]

When I saw the 450 tier, I was thinking "who the fuck would ever want to hang out with jasonafex?" And then you started talking about how it was mostly furry raiders, and I instantly thought "ok, that tracks"

[@LegoDarthBatman]

Rainfurrest was literally a bigger success than this 💀

[@mfbfreak]

Ah, so that's their strategy - killing people with cringe.

[@gran09]

I think free fur all was doomed since the start

[@CaptArgo24]

There is a level of professionalism needed when it comes to these events

[@53ns3i]

Furries and professional? Two words that are like oil and water.

[@Myder_Dragon]

@@53ns3i You should see a properly run con, they are well done and professional

[@haaxxx9]

@@53ns3i I am being blunt about this, you have a Melon Icon and name from beastars and you talking about professionalism? That just too funny to me!

[@53ns3i]

@@haaxxx9 Make that observation on your own did you?

[@haaxxx9]

@@53ns3i You find Melon to be very hot don't you?! You're just like some people that I know who instantly be all over for red flags furry men like Leo from E.C.H.O or Tyson from Password in the Visual Novel department. Maybe it's the thrill of it by being love with crazy that can do insane shit in a blink of an eye? Just a crazy ass lover who will literally kill anyone on the spot who remotely annoy you just a bit? And if you try to even break up or even hint at it to them it's the end of the world for that area you guys are in... But I've been in this city long enough to see it all. You can't even fool me melon lover, you're defeated! You're Guilty as charge! It's over for you! *Checkmate!* -Please don't strangle me in my sleep, this was a joke... Mostly a joke.-

[@liammcallister726]

Part of me wants to go to FFA 24 just to troll the nazis there.

[@shimo_96]

I wouldn't. They don't deserve the $40 admission.

[@GoobieStar]

Let's be honest. Free Fur All was always doomed to fall..

[@Bo-yf4ed]

All of the people who attended this con should be in a black list for the rest and future furry and non_furry conventions.

[@w31rd_dragon]

not all the people that went there are bad

[@YouTubeIsSeriouslyMessedUp]

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[@junacreates]

as a furry who enjoys top gun this is just…. disappointing lmao

[@awoowie_nate]

The footage showing lack of participants is crazy

[@easobento2735]

The furry fandom is a community that stands for acceptance and tolerance, therefore it makes no sense that there are right winged people in this fandom, it's just incredibly stupid.

[@aevenova9780]

@easobobento2735 The hypocracy in this statement is mindblowing! 😂 We are furries, not political activists. Who cares who you voted for?

[@easobento2735]

@@aevenova9780 Bro, being a nazi and a furry is the biggest hypocrisy there is. The furry fandom literally stands for inclusion of everyone no matter the race or religion etc., we celebrate variety. Right extremists stand for the complete opposite.

[@shimo_96]

@@easobento2735 I'm what most people would call "far right". Here's where people usually stop reading, but if you made it this far, thanks! I may be right leaning, but that doesn't mean I'm a neo-nazi or a racist, or anti LGBGTQ+, as a matter of fact, I'm actually gay. A big deal with politics these days is that people assume too much just because of where someone stands with politics. In my opinion, I do not care where you stand politically, I care about what you believe in. If you're racist or a neo-nazi, then I don't want anything to do with you, but if you stand for what you believe and push for what's right, more power to ya! Political stands have little to no effect most of the time when it comes down to the nitty gritty details.

[@easobento2735]

@@shimo_96 I really respect your answer. The problem for me are specifically the neo nazid in the fandom as well as the racist the homophobes and so on. Being right is no problem, bein a right extremist is, as they spread hate, which doesn't have a place in this fandom.

[@shimo_96]

@@easobento2735 I agree.

[@mikebodler1122]

Considering megaplex 2023 had a charity donation of $88000 their measly donation of 4k I find rather laughable and nothing to brag about

[@aevenova9780]

Consider the ratio of people tho..... 😂 The year 2 donation of 6,000 is amazing

[@mattwolf7698]

They also don't seem to release their attendance numbers which I find hilarious. Go Anti-Woke, go broke (this is also going on with Tesla now as Elon is making people not want to purchase them)

[@TheSportsKid90]

Is it me or does the furry raiders arm band look like a nazi flag

[@FindingTundra]

i think thats the point

[@TheSportsKid90]

@@FindingTundrawell that’s fucked up

[@kuebikome9095]

that is the point bc they are literally nazis yes

[@tylociraptor8131]

@@TheSportsKid90 They are a group of neo nazi furries that SWEaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar theyre not neo nazis guys, theyre just ASKING QUESTIONS. Often about jews. And black ppl. and how lesser they are than white americans.

[@Adrian-j6j9t]

pretty sure thats the point its pathetic and edgy, they probably think theyre cool or some shit but if their so called idol hitler were alive today they too would likely end up in concentration camps too because of the nazi's ideologies

[@pharoahcaraboo9610]

in 2023, the other local conventions here (yes ffa happened in my state, peacewolf lives here, i am full of shame)... anthroexpo had 896 attendees, and tails and tornadoes furcon had 1137 attendees. just for comparison for how actually isolated they are locally.

[@Datdudedoge1]

Screw the furry raiders, they are a lot like fascist Germany, especially Crusader cat, and those arm bands they have, don’t get me started on anything history related to Germany than.

[@CheeseHenderson]

Some of the comments on this video are WILD. Like, people talking about how this shit "divides" the fandom. This is a niche group of weirdos who were mostly banished from other conventions. This shit isn't dividing anyone

[@deaddawgz]

Magnus has made a Raze ripoff now??? what the hell

[@magnusdiridian]

I did?