Does the Internet Exist in Fallout?

[@crazysmile11012]

fun fact: MIT was a node in arpnet, so in theory cit and in extension the institute has (or had) access to the network

[@KuroToaster2199]

Oh great tech priest please install Robco OS in me a humble toaster

[@Otterdisappointment]

Intranet (commercialized ARPAnet) and intramail are referenced regularly and a Poseidonet connection was likely hidden in there *somewhere*

[@crazysmile11012]

also father said in dialog he remotely connected to the vault computer to free you, so this implies they still have a connection (and shows poseidonet is connected to the vaults)

[@crazysmile11012]

@@KuroToaster2199 if you can find a x86 cpu that can be put in a toaster wait... i remember a toaster case if you buy it i can in fact put it in a toaster

[@ImmortalAbsol]

I would say most universities were hooked up.

[@willswenson3169]

One thing that isn’t mentioned is the Boston Public Library in Fallout 4, which has a terminal that's connected to similar terminals in every other library in the "Union of Public Libraries", which allowed for the transmission and receiving of information, mainly reading material found in each respective library's archives. However, a unique aspect of it was its ability to send and receive images, since some youths got in trouble for viewing the covers of some specific material.

[@Rubix003]

The Intranet could send images... it was just slow.

[@dhelix85]

I'm old enough to remember dialup. A very low quality photo could be sent then, but it may take 10 minutes to send or receive.

[@crazysmile11012]

@@dhelix85 yep dialup when you could not call anybody when it is doing a request , i grew up with it because in remote Canada that is all we had

[@cavveman]

@@dhelix85 I remember those days. Fun days when mom picked up the phone and the connection died. Thankfully we got ISDN when it became available.

[@magicpyroninja]

​@@dhelix85it's not so much. The photo that was low quality as the whole monitor was low quality

[@GCJACK83]

Interestingly enough, before Walt Disney died, he was working on the EPCOT project EPCOT was supposed to be a self-contained and fully functional town. Part of what he had wanted to try and do was have education done over the internet for courses in science to bring exprrts from places like NASA into the home, but the tech didn't exist in the state it needed to be for him to realize his vision. There's a vid here on KZbin where he went over his vision himself. It was shot weeks before his death and was meant for investor eyes only, not for the general public.

[@k-trashradio5163]

Well duh it was Florida in the 60s

[@Ahnenerbe1944]

I knew Walt Disney was evil but being an early adopter of online school pushes it over the edge! Lol

[@magicpyroninja]

​@@Ahnenerbe1944was just about to say thank god the technology didn't exist then

[@gusess5743]

@@Ahnenerbe1944 you can just imagine the Disney online school lessons being like something out of a Nazi Hitler Youth Fan Fic xD

[@thwartedapple1164]

@@gusess5743 Walt Disney did nothing wrong .

[@gingerbre159]

This question is actually something I had been wondering about recently! I’m running a game of Fallout: The Roleplaying Game with the main villain as a sentient AI. My players recently convinced him to kill himself but I was trying to figure out if a sentient AI would be able to escape the one computer they found him on

[@thatwelshman2713]

Lol, nice. Played a few sessions of Fallout TRPG but sadly had to stop due to college + work conflicts

[@crazysmile11012]

eden is just fallouts chat gpt tbh

[@jordanronayne7867]

Sentient AI A Synth!

[@aaroncisneros4777]

About to start Wasteland Warfare and will keep this antagonist in mind!

[@EthanKristopherHartley]

It's actually completely canonically accurate for the AI to run away. The AI that was designed to be used to control the Neon Flats environment went a bit... Insane and escaped to the Library and part of the claim quest is to track it down and then shut down the computers in a specific order to trap it and pop it on a holotape. 😉 😁

[@Darthmufin]

In fallout 3 there is a couple cases of digitized pictures taken from a camera being shown on a terminal, vault 101 on their survey team where they took pictures of megaton and giant ants. This shows, at least from bethesda's perspective, that they are capable of displaying images. Fallout 4 and 76 makes this unrealistic with their pipboy games though.

[@Question-Log]

My theory has always been that in this timeline they focused on nuclear technology so much the government didn’t bother to expand their network capabilities. However, my other theory is since in our timeline the internet was created by the government, the same as Fallout, they did develop it but kept it secret.

[@oneplushydude]

That’s a interesting point however I do believe it was more public. Not to the point where everyone had Internet in their homes, but to the point that it wasn’t extremely rare, my guess is it similar to what we had in 1989. Which would make the main reason for internet for professional use not worldwide connection

[@HashknightGaming]

We got the internet after the cold War calmed down, the fallout universe didn't get that chance as the bombs actually dropped.

[@SirDankleberry]

​@@HashknightGamingWhat? Fallout is an alternative timeline. They didn't have a Cold War like us. Also they made it to 2077. They had plenty of time to work on it.

[@Stoney3K]

@@SirDankleberryThe "World Wide Web" as we currently know it isn't the "internet", it's just a means to publish rich text pages on an internet-connected server. And the Web only gained momentum when it could be used to deploy large-scale commercial activities, like e-commerce. The Fallout universe never got back to a state of economic prosperity, so there was no need for e-commerce to develop.

[@SirDankleberry]

@@Stoney3K Pretty sure in Fallout they got back to economic prosperity until the resources started running dry.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

13:51 Very unexpected to see Norwegian here. It says "Can be connected to host machines and terminals" and "Can be connected to host machines".

[@jame3shook]

A nugget to think on, given the background of the Resource Wars, the 20th year or so when the nukes flew in 2077, having a barebones internet like that of the early 1980s could be a retrograde to keep people worldwide from finding out news in other countries similar to Orwell's 1984, the perpetual war and the armies never cross the borders to prevent 'cultural contamination'

[@itsorcacraft9037]

I have recently started getting back into fallout. Now channels like you can help feed my addiction

[@marioalfonsoarreolaa.flore2882]

I remember making a comment on what was the "internet" like in the Fallout universe in the "WTF is with Inflation in Fallout?" video and came to a similar conclusion but based on how media is distributed and consumed in the Fallout universe. No video or audio streaming; no online gaming just local computer using holotapes or tabletop gaming; Radio, tv, newspapers and comics are alive and well. There was no disruption in those areas due to the limited computing capacity available to the public. Most of the networks available are local or private networks with limited connectivity between them. So I like the conclusion that theres no internet per se, and mostly use text interfaces and services. Good video.

[@TheRazzyDazzle]

As someone who took his Comptia A+ cert test, I love that you explained networks and TCP/IP. Never thought I'd get that in a Fallout video

[@Italiangentleman2394]

As a fellow A+ certified person, he explained this very well also. I feel like there's definitely signs of local area networks and wide area networks, and I'm assuming there has to be some sort of server to host all of this information

[@LongLiveLiberty]

@@Italiangentleman2394Secret underground servers, and i bet they’re all connected to every vault that was built, otherwise how did they send the go codes to open the vaults when the nukes flew in 2077? They probably had it all segmented out using tunneling on unicast but i think that’d be wayyyy to advanced for the programmers at that time, so what language of code did they use then, and how is that many computers attempt to connect but cannot when the institute and steel should have made it priority one to bring up the internet as a strategic advantage?

[@jzekaron]

As a former airline agent I knew Sabre was an old piece of software, but I didn't realize it was from the 60s. That explains so, so much...

[@sharkuel]

Yep. Only recently airline companies updated to more modern reservation systems (mostly Amadeus or Galileo), but Sabre, Pars and many others were really old tech. Also, in the Linux world if you want you can browse the internet via the terminal.

[@Canleaf08]

Sabre, PanAmac, Deltamatic…

[@Kooster69]

With BBS limited to phone lines, the speed was pretty slow. It would take around 1 hour to download just ONE IMAGE. The image will be sent encrypted, and then your BBS program would decrypt the downloaded image. Folks has to wait for 14.4 dial-up modems to where you could play Doom II deathmatches with someone else. Two-way voice communication was not possible when doing this. (Added) If you lost your BBS connection during an image download, you had to connect back in and then start all over for the image download.

[@jordonturner9559]

It's crazy to think about how long it took to do things we mostly take for granted. Takes me about, .3 seconds to download and image. I'm glad to live in this Era. Can't wait for the technology to improve further over time.

[@Plucky6922]

@@jordonturner9559 Having personally gone from 14kbps to Gbps internet speeds in the past 30+ years, amazing how we have progressed, and how wonderful it is all today, compared to when I was a youth.

[@theAlchemyst11]

This video is a life saver! I've been planning a campaign for my friends to play in the fallout ttrpg game, and the way it starts is a scientist in the party's home vault somehow getting the attention of a local branch of the Enclave. I had no idea how to do that until the mention of the Enclave-Vault Research Control that could be accessed through Posiedonet! Now I've got a lore friendly and logical way for that to work!

[@mirceazaharia2094]

I'm in the planning stages of a multi-cross dimension jumper fanfic, that goes from a party of shmucks, to rulers of a civilization based in a vast nomadic space fleet. One of the universes they'll be visiting is FALLOUT, pre-war. Their hope? Prevent the Great War, put an end to the shortages and poverty of the Resource Wars. Nick some tech. I'm going to do everything possible to create a fic that still embraces the FALLOUT style, Cold War paranoia, retro-futuristic Super Science, but is set entirely in the pre-war world.

[@azeria1]

I always imagined fallout internet like cyberpunk internet several closed off systems and net works maybe each state or common wealth having its own internet system

[@ravenoferin500]

I mean it would make sense. Smaller systems easier to control by the government. Considering prewar America was going more and more authoritarian and propaganda slinging. It would make sense to divide and conquer systems as they were heavily monitoring for "communist" and "unAmerican" activities. Red scare mentality plus high technology.

[@AdminAbuse]

Network is one word, also use punctuation

[@theweedphilosopher]

@@AdminAbuse bro is grammar police

[@mrbootystealer5712]

@@AdminAbuse 🤓

[@venator-fb7yy]

The Fallout series can make someone really appreciate our technology since we have existing technologies that are way better than most of Fallouts equivalent technologies except certain like robotics and energy weapons for example. We still have like 54 years till we get to 2077 so we got time to outdo them on what we currently lack in!

[@AdminAbuse]

I'm sure until then we will have seen nukes again

[@mirceazaharia2094]

They also had hardlight holographic projections, brain life support tanks, matter - energy and energy - matter transmutation (GECK kits, Sierra Madre vending machines), highly miniaturized cold fusion power cells, and teleporters. We have a way to go before we beat that, but it's not impossible by any means to do in 54 years. At least some of these things will be achievable by then.

[@kanrakucheese]

Fallout 4's Robco Sales and Services Center has logs worth noting on the subject. One mentions an "office network" explicitly and another that mentions a seven year old computer is only suitable for text documents and word parser games, which gives a good indication of what level the "normal" terminal is in power.

[@thescotslair]

they all shared memes, but it was only Marty Robbins memes

[@KuroToaster2199]

I bet the internet is filled with the brotherhood of mid

[@thescotslair]

@@KuroToaster2199 Omg toaster

[@norby007]

There was internet connection links in the 80’s and 90’s also by ham radio. It could be that some of those systems were completely wireless in Fallout.

[@o.k.productions5202]

There is references to the Vaults having an inter-vault network, the fact that VaultTec was supposedly going to monitor the progress of the experiment and the all clear signal support this. Yes the all clear signal could have been done via radio or other wireless methods, but I have yet to find a vault with wireless receivers or transmitters.

[@Grimpy970]

This was REALLY well done and super thought-provoking! Maybe I'm just an engineering nerd, but I absolutely love your videos focusing on fallout's infrastructure

[@salamander405]

This is a great video. Most Fallout videos can be kind of dull because with the games being contained within a closed universe wherein ever piece of information can be easily read about in full on the wiki, there’s really not much to talk about when you know most of what there is to know. These are the kinds of questions I didn’t know you could ask about the Fallout universe that are very captivating

[@patrikhjorth3291]

I think your estimation of the relative "age" of the Fallout internet is spot on. I'm btw old enough to have been trained in how to access the DIALOG system, basically a database of research databases, via Telnet. This was in the later half of the 90s, and the technology was already obsolescent, so I've never actually had to use that training at any point in my carreer, but still.

[@kibunjojo4499]

RadKing's content never disappoints.

[@jonathanjackgoodman2764]

Don't like him too much or Bethesda will try and make you pay for this channel. Lol

[@tjmrmw]

If I remember correctly there are a few terminals in old world blues that state big mountain was in communication with the Sierra Madre so perhaps Elijah originally accessed the network there

[@Joshapopolus]

The amount of research this probably took, honestly it’s impressive man. You’re truly one of the best. Doing some of the best deep dives on things I never knew I wanted to know

[@slycooper1001]

18:11 that poster reminds me of a 1970s entrance display for a theme park known as "action park" known as the first water park to feature a full vertical loop in it's waterslide. also last as it was later figured out that people lost teeth and broke bones going down it.

[@alyssarasmussen1723]

my parents actually went there in the 80s or 90s.. i think 90s but i think it closed in the 90s so probably a bit before the 90s idk.. i wasn't born yet so idk.. but my mom went into the wave pool and found hair in it.. while my dad liked it cuz of the alpine slide

[@stoozdee]

@@slycooper1001 sign the waiver. It’ll be fine.

[@mentalshatter]

Funnily enough, the begining of the movie 'WarGames (1983)' is probably the best representation of hacking in a movie to date.

[@callmewisteria]

great video. for me, i'd say the internet still exists in fallout but as a static database of all information stored before the War. the only people who could make changes to it on private networks would be those with major technological capabilities, e.g. the Enclave, the Brotherhood Of Steel, and the Institute, though i could see either House in New Vegas and/or the NCR being able to do so as well.

[@Donovarkhallum]

But that's the thing the internet isn't static.

[@HouseDagothCultist]

@@Donovarkhallum I mean, without satellites and cloud servers it would be very static.

[@Donovarkhallum]

@@HouseDagothCultist yeah I was trying to saying it's not Internet but then I was like wait local networks and shit is technically internet it's just not browsers and websites and applications. But I'd bet if the institute wasn't destroyed they could easily deploy satellites. They're making artificial humans. It's within the games realm of possiibility

[@patrikhjorth3291]

I did not know until now that the logo for Skynet (of Terminator fame) looked so very similar to the Milnet logo.

[@JadeLockpicker]

also, a thing to note: the fact we call them all terminals, means they almost _certainly_ didn't have a local operating system, and instead were connected to a server of some kind. Because a terminal is, for most purposes, just a glass display with a keyboard, that replaced using a teletype with paper and a fancy typewriter, at least in real world tech. And considering some of the cobbled together terminals from Fallout 4's setllement building mode... I think we can conclude that isn't far off base!

[@Xahnel]

But this isn't true, because plenty of terminals are solo isolated pieces, and they can be used without a server. Terminal is just a word that was picked to differentiate between our modern computers and these atomicpunk computers.

[@jimcalhoun361]

@@Xahnel No. They are called terminals because they are the end points of a system. In the mid 70s no work was done on the terminal itself. It was just the input/output for the computer in a clean room in the basement. For a mid-size company in the late 70's early 80s the top of the line business computer was a DEC 10 or PDP 10/11. The modern computer has a server (of sorts) built into it and the Internet itself is just a very large distributed system.

[@pavuk357]

You are talking about dumb terminals which were like you explained just a teletype with CRT instead of typewriter. However by late 70s there was other kind of terminals, one that was supposed to be used with server but still had some other basic functionality like basic text editing, basic calculations, disk drives support etc. Many of terminals by then had some kind of CPU, small amount of RAM in it for some more advanced logic like escape codes thus it wasn't hard. Irl thin clients (basically more modern and fancy word for terminal devices) died out because casual computing became very cheap, in Fallout it did not.

[@IgnacyG1998]

@@pavuk357 Yep. I'm thinking whatever functionality those "smart" terminals had were sufficient for small scale networks like shops, hotels etc. for local email and saving data to holotapes. "Terminal" probably stuck around as a name for those simple computers while "computer" referred to non-user-facing machines like in 70s before the home computer boom.

[@Stoney3K]

@@pavuk357If it's a machine with its own (limited) computing capabilities, it's a computer, not a terminal. "Smart" terminals and word processing units were mostly smaller minicomputers and early microcomputers. If it was a completely self-contained system with its own storage and suite of programs, it was a personal computer connected to a network, not a terminal.

[@ericnox2069]

I wonder if an IRC or mIRC style chat system that was lost within the terminals of the prewar. Beyond this, I liked the idea. I recall that in Fallout 76, the West Coast was talking to the BoS scouts on a satellite based comm system, and it makes me wonder if the "internet" of fallout was wired for local, but satellite based for wider communication networks.

[@martinenglish6641]

HyperText Markup Language or HTML was the base for all internet information sharing between mainframes before the use of servers and was text-based, using "ASCII", just like on the terminals in Fallout. Early graphics were text and character-based. In about 1995, Netscape, called Mosaic at the time, first integrated pictures, pics, in the GIF (Graphics Interchange Format) format with HTML. Windows made BMP pic files the most popular format to incorporate with HTML. Bit Map Images. And from there it all exploded to what we have today. I love old-school computers. I am old. LOL.

[@WolfShadowhill]

Fellow Utahn here and Zion is not the middle of nowhere! Having grown up near Springdale, I can confirm that it’s a tourist trap next to the middle of nowhere!

[@dcross6360]

Your content just gets better and better. Please continue with your remasters

[@A54729]

Fun fact. BBS systems like this still exist over VHF ham radio and use Terminal Node Controller (TNC) devices. Many are made by a company called Kantronics. You have to use a terminal emulator program to interface with them. These same TNC boxes are used to interface between radios and computers for the Winlink radio email network. Expect speeds of 1200 baud.

[@Marauder99991]

I remember using Telnet to get onto BBS's in the early 90's. Good times, they were the only place I could talk about things like RPGs and not get beaten up! Heh. :)

[@souplike.homogenate]

As someone just learning computers in the early 90s, this video aged me a couple hundred years and I definitely became a ghoul at the point of 23:30 "using the tel-net protocol" . Gonna go uudecode a multipart usenet post now. (the DARPANET internet was meant to survive outages when parts of the networks got nuked and still be able to route packets around breaks. It perfectly fits the Fallout fiction.)

[@reekraftwithak2734]

The "Actually, it is probably more economical to mark things that are NOT jokes, given current trends" quote in the emoticon section got a laugh out of me!

[@nonamegiven202]

I always love to see people talking about the Arpanet, rare is the credit to the giant who shoulders is being stand on.

[@adamheidenreich5134]

So funny that you should release this video when you did. I am playing in a ttrpg of Fallout through the Exodus system. I am running a technician type character and I took the field scientist class as an advance class. In the progression of the class they eventually get a minor and major breakthrough to some sort of "discovery" I have talked with my Vault master about my discovery being able to access posiedon networks to disable security and other network access options with a pip boy. I shall definitely have to send this along to him.

[@entropic-decay]

Every time I hear about data being written to some physical storage medium and sent via mail, I remember a story my father likes to tell: I don't recall the exact year, but a guy he worked with would write data on architectural plans to floppy disks and mail them over to another building for use. Whenever they'd arrive, however, the data would be unusable - somehow damaged or corrupted. So he decided one day to follow one of these floppy disks along its entire trip, and found that a secretary was putting labels on them by... sticking the floppy drive in the top of a typewriter like it's a piece of paper. damaging it in the process.

[@hanzzel6086]

Oof!

[@Jump-n-smash]

That can’t be true

[@Th3BlackLotus]

​@@Jump-n-smashuh, it could be. The 8" floppy disks look like a giant envelope to be fair.

[@palico76]

in the cold war times, there was a "Intranet", basically the internet but reserved to militally and scientists, so ( since fallout is heavilly based on that ) is techinally yes and in pratice no.

[@oneplushydude]

I believe it was a little further along but not by too much. I believe it had a public release and we can see it in everyday homes but it’s definitely rare and more for a professional work use something similar to 1989. Definitely don’t think it was military only use due to companies having mainframes. Which means it was in commercial use.

[@dirkkrohn1907]

Happy holidays Randking. Hope Adem smiles on you and the rest of the Radking family this holiday season.

[@AdminAbuse]

Adem?

[@The-three-eyed-Prophet]

the project from your friend is so cool !!! now somebody has to build a fallout terminal that will run this robco softwear !!! ... #Respect

[@hollyhartwick3832]

The phosphorous green that's the default colour of Fallout terminal and Pip-Boy screens remind me of the Apple IIe monitors my school had waaaay back when. Also similar to the original GameBoy as well.

[@DravenWaylonGaming-jk9ez]

I'm one of the older gamers. I remember before windows was released we used to play a lot of dos games. One of my faviroutes was something called Battle Chess. The Chess pieces would turn into gollems, the knight would get on his horse and ride it. Then there was a game called Eagle Eye Detective. You had a pick between a boy or girl and solve small crimes in a small town. You had to question suspects and look for clues. So even before the internet and windows we already had some good games we could play on a simple system like dos. There no reason that the Fallout world couldn't have developed some graphics for their computer networks. With Mr House and the Securitrons facial interface there is proof of that.

[@seff6533]

We've lost one of our own. Rip mitten squad.

[@Midire]

Are LAN-parties still a thing? Playing to early morning with the power of caffeine, then sleeping under the desk. Yesterdays roomtemp pizza as late breakfast. Those fun times.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Did the last one like more than 10 years ago. They're definitely still doable, but with Discord, not strictly necessary to meet in person.

[@Midire]

@@mirceazaharia2094 last one for me was almost 20 years ago...

[@zircon7260]

That is thorough research and great analysis. I agree with your conclusion. Excellent work!

[@dudemetoo2053]

Love the amount of background info you put into these videos

[@safename6150]

In fallout 76 one of the wiped out raiders did make a system he called the Enternet you can find the terminal in one of roses missions im pretty sure

[@SpuddyWesker]

yeah but fallout 4 and 76 shouldn't be cannon

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

@@SpuddyWesker. Too bad; Crying about it don't do shit.

[@lurkingone7079]

Your arguments make sense and give a good estimation. We should also note that with Fallouts pre war politics, lack of resources, resources going to military. That the state of their internet makes sense. Perhaps technology like that stagnated at times even as there was no need to develope it more. It did what the military wanted. There was no reason to bring it to enemy or unstable countries so keeping it in america made sense. And home terminals for private use were probably expensive like the first home PCs in our world. So makes sense they are more bound to commerical stuff, institutions, the rare private people and so on.

[@I_Am_Transcendentem]

"Nawwww, House be wilding💀💀💀" *picture of securitrons obliterating legion soldiers on hoover dam*

[@skylerholmes571]

17:33 You're allowed to call that part of Utah in the middle of nowhere whether you're from Utah or not.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Also remember that Vault tech has a network that spans all of it's stuff and maybe is connected to others.

[@JX84TWITCH]

You know it's a good day when radking post

[@oneplushydude]

I remember in college I had to do a presentation on an important historical event, you could pick your own topic. For me it was the creation of the internet. I geeked out over this video multiple times, I remember everything I learned. However another question I have for the lore of fallout is what caused the Internets invention. If you don’t know in our world the Cuba Crisis caused fear of an attack on radio systems, communication and was incredibly important and we only had Radio. So as a back up we started creating the internet through Lan. So did the timeline in Fallout have the Cuba crisis or is it a much newer invention created to combat the Chinese. Thus it’s very much in it’s infancy.

[@NuclearWintr]

Mods aren't canon but Fallout New California had something like an internet messaging system cause you can interact with a story character early on.

[@localfeyrn]

i just noticed you sampled an east german numbers station in your intro

[@jhy8212]

I'm happy I'm not the only person that has pondered this! Thanks for making a video for us. Oh! I'm not sure if you remember my comment from a few months back: I mentioned I had never played FO1, and intended on doing so. Well, I started it, and I'm absolutely loving it! I can't overstate how fun it is!

[@twistedyogert]

It's kinda weird how a society that can create fully self-aware AIs also uses equipment that went out of production in our world's 1980s.

[@oldmanjesus9855]

The transistor wasn't invented in the Fallout universe untill a few years before the war, that's why computer chips and interfaces looked so outdated despite all their technology.

[@____________838]

I don’t remember seeing anything about an internet in any of my own sleuthing, but I have noticed “intranets” a few times. That being says, I imagine that internet or the early 90s would’ve been unimaginable in the Fallout universe.

[@clothar23]

The 80s and early 90s are clearly present in Fallout via the fashion sense of the Raiders. Liberty spikes , mohawks , unrealistic hair colours , and studded leather wasn't really a thing in the 50s and 60s aesthetics elsewise present.

[@Thy_Boss]

@@clothar23 "or"/"of"

[@korbyynbear5592]

Sadly, I recall using much of these archaic systems... Great work, yet again an interesting amalgam

[@heartgrenade8359]

This deep dive was a lot more interesting than typical deep dives. Good job.

[@KyleLarsen-bw5hw]

You are truly a RAD king I appreciate fallout so much more now with your videos.

[@EksaStelmere]

>>When you remember BBS and feel concerned that people didn't know about them.

[@clothar23]

Why should there be any concern ? Do you feel empathy for the technology that predates your birth by decades ?

[@jasohavents]

An interesting thing is some terminals in buildings, especially ones that repeat the same contents as others. Seem to be very close to Dumb Terminals, which are more or less a direct input to a localized mainframe. This is of the days where they had room spanning computers. Interfaces were anything from literal printers that printed out displays, to full screen interfaces. Not to mention the infrastructure of the early Internet was through modems which modulated the data to be sendable over phone lines. That's why old browsers like NetZero used to have the infamous 'dial up' tone. The data was literally audible sound back then. In fact the first connection for computers was literally a device you put you corded phone on, called an 'acoustic coupler'. Your computer would literally 'talk' over the phone line, but it you answered your phone or picked it up it would kill it's very delicate connection. Early tape medium was the same way, storing data essentially as audio on tapes. (Like literally cassette tapes). There were some experiments and hobbyists who tried broadcasting data over radio, but the problem with that is you would only be able to broadcast. You wouldn't be able to request unless you called in.

[@Sundance967]

The only thing I can think of for this is the fact the sentry bot prototype in 4 can be seemingly wirelessly activated as it can be controlled from the holotape even if it’s from the pipboy

[@juanbanuelos1014]

Me cracking 90s on my local RobCo computer on these damn clankers

[@Remianen]

16:18 Oh look, the CRS I work on every day.

[@EisakoTheAvali]

Two things that nerd me out when it comes to subjects fallout, and computing history. I’ve also seen some evidence of forms similar to discord or early Reddit, or anything like that where people could have recreation time such as play DND, discuss other stuff I’ve even seen references to people playing a campaign of DND or something on the terminals glory to Adam. Love your videos.

[@neves5083]

Now that i payed attention to it, that note that mention BBS is from 1968, so fallout has something close to an microcomputer (because i don't imagine the guy who has an minicomputer on his office using it for anything but work) since the 1960s, tho i can be incorrect on this and he had an minicomputer at home for personal use I would love to have an video about the computers of fallout :)

[@sam_wilds]

As someone with a background in Computer Networking, this made me very happy. Well done, RadKing

[@JoducusKwak]

if there is an Internet it is super likelly that Enclave and Robert House still use it and that the Institute is hooked up to it which means the Institute definetly has informations on them and knowing Robert House he most likelly even works with the Insitute

Funny you mentioned Gill Bates (or rather Gilbert) - such character exists in Arcanum. ;)

[@clashking6660]

Fallout: we have the best suits of armor able to withstand a mini nuke to the body as a direct hit. Also fallout: have this computer that looks like a box and a typewriter

[@undeadsentenal8093]

Commenting before watching, i imagine falloits internet was like 50s internet for us, pc's connected through cable networks rather than wireless ones, like how the internet used to be a military tool

[@undeadsentenal8093]

Welp seems like it was more advanced than I thought 😂

[@corndogg4279]

As someone who lives in Utah unless you're in the Salt Lake area it's really middle of nowhere 😂

[@Bastien-o3o]

To be honest, the Fallout computers and their systems always made me think more of the french system "MINITEL", an ancestor of the Internet made by the French government in the late 1970s

[@blueteamepsilon7798]

Waiting for a new video from RadKing almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

[@atompunk5575]

Wouldn't MIT in fallout have more LANs and WANs in Massachusetts? Shouldn't it have a big brick of telecommunication building? Kinda like how AT&T makes there buildings to withstand a nuke?

[@Blakbox92]

it makes you wonder what happened between the 1980s and 2070s, did computer communication technology stand still for 80 years, or did it emerge far later than in our world? Is it a mix where it developed at a far slower pace, AND stagnated/developed along very different (but more primitive) lines for decades?

[@sidboyplays7614]

You're right, the tech in the fallout universe is pretty much 1980s computer tech. the 64KB Free on the startup of the Pipboy is very similar to what the Commodore 64 had on its screen when you first turned it on. In college in the 80s, we used to log on to arpanet and had to type everything in using telnet and Unix commands. In 1993, when I was graduating from college, a college professor of mine got a Beta copy of Mosaic and let me play with it because I was running a BBS at the time. For mail and messaging I used Fidonet which packets were sent and received twice a day at 14.4kbs, so email was pretty slow in todays standards. He said this software (he didn't call it a browser) is going to change the world. The Fallout universe didn't get into 90s tech and most likely was dealing with dialup and probably some satellite GPS tech on the Pipboy for the map system. The universe definitely didn't follow Moore's law and they never went fully digital like we are today, and still on vacuum tube tech, hence why a lot of the circuitry didn't get fried after the nuclear blast.

[@jasonbaker1887]

Deathclaw fan fiction erotica had me cracking up a bit. Good job Rad King. This sounds like the sort of thing that belongs at the Deathclaw Sanctuary and Menagerie I built on Spectacle Island.

[@crazysmile11012]

frontier == cringe lmao

[@JounLord1]

Funny enough Gil Bates was a character in the more or less Fallout book series called Deathlands and its sister series Outlanders. A frozen pre-war tech genius who unthawed 200 years after the apocalypse.

[@davidioanhedges]

Emoticons date back to at least 1881 ... The Internet, was preceded by internets , networks of networks one of which was (D)ARPANET which became the prototype and hub of a lot of them ... most of which later were all joined together to form The Internet, but a few are still separate even today .... Fallout still having a proto-Internet makes sense based on the in world history

[@CommissariatGames]

I remember reading somewhere that they think abraham lincoln was one of the earlier uses of an emoticon in one of his writings. I could be misremembering, but I think it was a very rudimentary and blocky looking smiley face.

[@ryanbusch2885]

17:23 could there possibly just be a “National parks network” that serviced America’s National parks and also related interests like companies/organizations that would have worked with them?

[@nealenthenerd399]

I’ve literally never considered this. Cool idea for a video!

[@ShockDeed]

Radking you are the best fallout youtuber ever when it comes to fallout lore

[@gustavedelior3683]

They had networks and what seemed to be at least larger regional networks, but I don't think they had web pages like we did.

[@TheSlayer11799]

Can’t believe mitten squad is gone rest in peace

[@Mr-Eleven]

As someone getting into cybersecurity, one thing I said recently on fnv was "oh my god! They're unix systems!"

[@AnEverydayGamer]

What's really cool is there are still some BBSs active you can access through the telnet command in Windows CMD!

[@clothar23]

Well ain't that a blast from the past. Who in the world is maintaining those servers I wonder ?

[@AnEverydayGamer]

@@clothar23 Think just hobbyists who own vintage computers. I frequent a BBS that is catered towards CP/M machines like the Kaypro II and can get much needed files downloaded to floppy and chat with other people still.

[@maidframe]

I’m pretty sure one of the vaults in fallout 4 mention only opening the vault door after being given a signal from vault tech, probably vault 111.

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Vault 111 is definitely the primary example; Referred to an All Clear Signal that was probably supposed to be aired out by Vault Tec HQ in Los Angeles. (That or the regional HQ in Boston.) Of course, as anyone knows, that All Clear never really happened thanks to the bombs dropping.

[@MB-sj2lx]

In Fallout 1, if you interact with one of the terminals in Vault 13, a message pops up saying something like "you surf the Interweb for awhile, but find nothing useful". So, id say that the Fallout universe possibly had a very primitive form of the Internet,

[@beastmastreakaninjadar6941]

No one realizes this but, if you really think about it, Facebook was (and likely still is) really just a heavily modified BBS. It's just user profiles interacting with threads hidden beneath graphical bells and whistles. The groups and pages are also things that can be done in a BBS. I realized this when I was learning how to set up and customize a BBS for a friend's vampire LARP so the players could extend their roleplay beyond the live events. Same goes for Reddit and the various chans, as well as most other social media sites, if not all. This KZbin video is also just a BBS thread post. So, you see, Bulletin Board Systems never really died out.

[@JNJNRobin1337]

for some reason this makes me more motivated to think on hypotheticals for my fallout 4 mod plan/idea

[@AmyDangRabbit]

Late 80s early 90s was my estimation, based on having been a computer nerd at that time. BBS systems seemed to really reach the masses more in that time than early 80s and only started to die off as the “real internet” became a thing that average people could use. I remember (and met my husband on) a local NYC bbs in 1993. I was starting to explore the old green monochrome internet shortly after. And by 1995 was trying to be one of the first batch of people building a website… oh the days of Netscape and sloooowwwww connections. We take so much for granted now 😂