Rainn Wilson: Embrace Your Eccentricities & A Petri Dish of Creativity

Rainn Wilson (The Office, Six Feet Under, @metaphysicalmilkshakewithr7882, @Participant) joins Mayim and Jonathan in the studio as their first ever in-person guest to discuss his nerdy childhood, growing up with social misfit parents, and the evolution that therapy has provided to every area of his life. He explains how feeling unloved and alienated as a child in a petri dish of dysfunction led to anxiety, depression, panic attacks, and addiction issues. Rainn admits to learning early on in his acting career to embrace playing the role of an alienated misfit, and opens up about his meditation process and the tools his faith gave him in finding his own path and identity. Mayim and Rainn bond over being band geeks and chess club members and the expectations, insecurities, and limitations that come with being sitcom character actors. They examine the similarities between a recovery journey and spiritual journey, the benefits of going to AA even if you’re not an alcoholic, and reasons some individuals might be resistant to therapy.
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[@MayimBialik]

Okay we're back with a version where you can see Rainn lol. Thanks for being patient everyone! We hope you enjoy the episode!!!

[@xpascalx8336]

Yes👍

[@astridx7485]

I was watching the other one when it disappeared haha thank you for fixing the problem!

[@marisamartinezolivera]

Thank you for fixing the “black hole” question so soon! Even if I have now a headache 😵‍💫after watching previous version! 💜

[@nicolenichol3820]

I'm definitely watching this again. Thank you for the re-upload. It's so odd (in a good way) to see you beside Jonathan. Rain seems like such a down to earth and interesting guy.

[@josearroyo8008]

Thanks for the repost

[@AbelCosentino]

I like how Raain redirected to Jonathan when Mayim kept on talking… I feel like she doesn’t give Jonathan enough play

[@kodamaz]

I would love to see an episode of Breakdown with Brendan Fraser. He’s been in the dark too long, I think his candor and soft-spokenness would be a perfect fit for this podcast ❤️

[@marie-clairedelongchamp1330]

Love Brendan Fraser! My all time favourite of his is “ With Honours”, also featuring Joe Pesci, Moira Kelly, Patrick Dempsey, also one of my favourites & Josh Hamilton. ♥️. The movie in a nutshell, as Joe Pesci’s character said “ I’m a bum. But…I’m a Harvard bum” 🤩

[@roxyd7127]

Absolutely agree!! We need an extended interview with this gentle man

[@UsernameUnkwn21]

I would have loved to see more.. don't be shy to give us 90mins Mayim!

[@kevinharrison3265]

As a very tall older black man, 60, 6'8", I'm considered eccentric. A Harvard grad and a dedicated rock and roll guitar player, I'm considered odd to many, but I manage to live. Seeing you play an intelligent nerd is ironic, seeing that you are an intelligent nerd, but more attractive than the character! Take care.♥️

[@moniquenicole834]

You sound amazing!

[@bessmahaneypilates8638]

You sound beautiful 😊

[@amymorrison]

"Let's go straight to the bassoon" is my new favorite euphemism.

[@alyseceleste]

Bassooooooooon. ❤️

[@MrCoconutcat]

They totally made it sound naughty but nice and that's the point of the subject were focusing on maybe

[@krystelybz]

“My identity is not based on thoughts; it’s based on some other reality that is above and beyond and within & without thought.” Loved that!

[@nancyjohnston7528]

I loved this episode. My only issue is with the characterization of an atheist as someone without any type of social consciousness. "I like spearfishing....". Many atheists take this life we have as the only opportunity there is to do good. Selfishness is not restricted by religion or the lack of it.

[@arir8655]

Agreed. I find it so interesting that religious people tend to view non-religious people that way. If anything, it's been the opposite in my experience.

[@marie-laure.]

And there are just the same proportion of extreme atheists as there are of extreme religious persons.

[@kendallstark4302]

Excellent point, Nancy. Well said.

[@MrCoconutcat]

If Rainn Wilson doesn't like when people try to play (the I was a nerd card) then I better take a minute to think about it and I've come to the conclusion that I was just a regular kid in school because I was always friends to all others whether they were nerds, bullies, snobs, jocks geeks or whatevers I was just a regular kid trying to get along with everyone untill I transformed into a super cool NINJA atleast

[@AgendaInMind]

I like he character over the real thing. Rainn is a very cocky narcissist who thinks he’s an expert about absolutely everything. Meanwhile, he believes magical Boogey Germs are out to get him. Funny how he’d do a 180 in his religion of the Germ Theory if a Republican was in office.

[@gr1mrea9er82]

Weird and awkward is not wrong. I find those people the most interesting. My wife and I embrace the fact we both share a similar weirdness.

[@julioagua]

Well, he also said there was no love between them, I guess that's when things go wrong.

[@yummymami1]

Being weird, odd, eccentric, "out there", etc... are all compliments in my book..lol. Not too long ago, I was in a grocery store and a little girl was twirling around, acting goofy, and her mom said to her, "stop being weird" (not in an overly mean way) and I piped in and said, "But being weird is the highest of compliments!" - She laughed..lol. I'm 32 and I'm the weirdest, strangest, oddest, most awkward person you will ever meet.

[@megan2176]

Loved this! Cool that they were in the same room, and Rainn was able to see that Jonathan wanted to speak, and let him. Loved that moment. :)

[@astridx7485]

I can relate to Rainn's dysfunctional family sm. He's a strong man for breaking the cycle.

[@BRLambert4]

It always amazes me when Miyam discusses how her self image was shaped by her early days in the industry and not feeling conventionally pretty. (paraphrasing) I wish she knew how many kids were influenced by her role as Blossom. I wanted to dress just like her and thought she was so much more relatable then other teen characters around that same time. I wish that her influence was something she had been able to notice.

[@josievaccaro]

I'm so glad you invited him. I think he's an incredible actor. Just started watching and am already excited. Amazing podcast, Mayim and Jonathan. ❤

[@nikkievans5285]

I played the bassoon too when I was younger! I feel so seen esp when she said that "it's the instrument of those who need to come early and stay late". Now I gotta back and watch the office lol

[@gailrobey4316]

I am a relatively new listener here, this is one of my favorites so far. I appreciate what Miyam has to say always, and really enjoyed the interactions with Rainn and Jonathan. I could have listened to more. I'm also a long-time therapy and 12-step person and have also been to every 12-step meeting there is!! Really loved this mini-meeting/therapy session ❤️

[@laurapierce1243]

Me too!🖤

[@iamelectric30]

Just got around to watching "Six Feet Under"; Rainn Wilson was great in The Office, but I really loved the character of Arthur.

[@troods8110]

Six Feet Under.. great show!!

[@redthunder7118]

I had a quick run in with Rain in the bathroom line on a movie set, lol. He was very nice and polite. Wish I was able to speak with him more.

[@ourlittlehouseonthehill2736]

Love hearing Rainn talk about playing in band at the Middle school (Kellogg) that all my kids went to! He is famous around here for graduating from our local high school!

[@denisep.cazares7080]

As a Chicagoan, the Baha’i temple in Willmete is awe inspiring. Such peace can be felt throughout.

[@Historian212]

As a former band nerd and awkward girl -- and fellow therapy long-termer -- I can totally relate. That's one reason I loved TBBT immediately. And I get what an eye-roller it is to have gorgeous people talk about how tough they had it as kids. But Charlize Theron has been through some sh*t: her baby teeth were removed because she was put on heavy-duty antibiotics as a young child, and so many of her teeth rotted that they removed the ones that were left, leaving her without teeth until she was 11 y.o. Theron also witnessed her mother kill her alcoholic, abusive father in self-defense, after he tried to shoot them. When Charlize was 15. So, you guys might want to rethink the FU to Theron. We really don't know what other people went through, what kind of abuse or other stuff they experienced, without checking it out (and sometimes, not even then, if it's not made public). Just a thought.

[@lauraw.7008]

I 💯 % agree. It’s not a “my s$&! was worse than your s$&!” contest.

[@BOOMNERD51]

I too was a follower of Six Feet Under, where I also first became aware of Rainn Wilson! ❤️

[@monnytoth]

I just wanna thank you guys for making this Podcast possible. I was feeling really sad, I mean, really really really sad (to the point of having suicidal thoughts) and I searched for some KZbin channels to take my mind out of it and tbh I just couldn't watch those channels (even my favorite ones) for not even a whole minute and then I ended up here and in less than 6 minutes of video, you guys got to put a smile on my face. Thank you , really, you may have saved a life today.

[@heidiklessard8440]

Rainn, you are so funny, you make this world a better place!! Also, you are a very good listener I notice. Also, asking Johnathan if he had something to add. Equally a class act and thoughtful as you are wonderfully essentric ✨ Whole package human being.

[@Me-on1tq]

The reason I loved mayim was really blossom..cause I grew up with that show..but I also went to UCLA..that was my school..but because I'm a little older than mayim..I didn't run into her! But I'm also a member of the bahai faith! I want to add that the feeling mayim had at Haifa..I experienced at home many times..when I'm really down and there's no one to help me..god or whoever it is ..its like a drug..comes and comforts me! And it's when I'm real desparate for help or when I'm about to loose my faith in God! I also recommend mayim to see the nde of renee pasarow..that was amazing to me..to give me a glimpse of next life..and of course there's other ndes..and I believe that all prophets are really one spirit or the same sun coming back in a new day and when we go to next life..the sea of joy is where the prophet is ..but it seems like to a Christian that prophet is christ ..to a Jewish person its moses..to muslims its Mohammad..and to bahais its bahaullah..but it's really the same spirit ..its really what we call in the bahai faith..the ancient beauty..meaning really its the same sun coming back in a new day and the bahai faith believes that the reason we have so many religions is that every age has its particular requirements and religion gets renewed with time..cause the requirements of time changes as we humans evolve..its called progressive revelation! We basically really believe in evolution in all areas..cause God is not the one who is evolving..but its us! And the prophets are also not evolving..but the teachings they give to us is like going from 1st grade to 2nd grade and so on..it changes because we are evolving! And that we are here on this earth to work on our values!

[@sjstevens6375]

I’m a fan of Rainn’s from his production and narration of Netflix’s “We Are The Champions”. I especially loved the line, “for some people, tradition is a path to glory. For others, it’s peer pressure from dead people.”

[@roncenti]

For all of us "real" geeks who were (some of us) beaten up, shunned, outcasted, treated like the least important person in school.... THANK YOU Rainn for the FU!! I have ranted about this forever. We found our group and we made friends in our circles but as a normal cool guy/girl who had a fairly normal life or even popular life in school or whenever... Please do not claim to have been a geek.

[@MyStylist.Naomi12]

This is literally the exact reason I can't stand Zoey Deshanel. Her entire thing is "awkward geek" when she's so clearly not that.

[@NeuroSeasoned]

Pretty sure he used the term "nerd" at least 6 times, "geek" not so much?

[@taniawebster5867]

Oh my gosh this episode was all sorts of amazing. Rainn,Mayim and Jonathan in one episode is just incredible. I love this so much. You guys are all wonderful and I'm so glad this episode happened. This episode was so special and i loved it. This podcast keeps getting better with each episode . Thank you so much for this.

[@adriannenash9852]

Rainn as Bonnie's therapist on Mom had me crying because I was laughing so hard 😂🤣 interesting to hear his personal experiences with therapy. Be well from Washington state ❤🙏

[@mirfir]

Thank you!!! I knew I recognized him from somewhere!

[@adriannenash9852]

@@mirfir it was his voice for me, when he did the low soothing tone, I nearly had a flashback!

[@catloverKD]

His voice was familiar, but I couldn't figure it out!

[@hollyflannery5923]

34 minutes and 20 seconds into the podcast and I'm an even bigger fan than ever before. Loving it!

[@nero1765]

thank you mayim for this show it's literally free therapy 😭

[@m_brokenleg]

You guys ARE THE BEST ONES!!!! Problem quickly fixed! 👍🏼🙌🏼 Even with my actual headache bc previous “black hole” thing, I enjoyed the three of you together a lot. I adore Jonathan “taking the seat” (you go, boy! ) And we have such an exceptionally funny but also deep and profound episode about how a disfunctional family can hurt one of their members, how “I’m not that way” or “I’m unusual” and quirkiness can be so beautifully & bravely overcomed. And Rainn is the great example. I liked a lot the spirituality talk the three of you at the end of the episode, and Mayim’s experience of “something, somehow” at Haifa Bahaí praying room. I’ve experienced something like that, so difficult to explain, in a very small ancient and quite abandoned Romanesque chapel at the Pyrenees..Thanks Mayim & Jonathan for this, again, beautiful little 💎gem! And for your efforts adressing a technical problem so quickly! 💜

[@sandragalati6281]

Wow. I was really pleasantly surprised by Rainn Wilson. I like him way better than any character he has paid. Great show.

[@dbrooks2795]

Another famous person from Seattle (got to Love Seattle), loved you on Mom Rainn. Mayim, Thank you! This is such a great thing you are doing and I’ve a feeling this may direct me in my mental health path. I am very spiritual but not so religious, but don’t want to screw it all up. Thanks for being out there in front of the world baring all that is, yet providing ways to seek help and not feel like one is aline in this. I’ve only watched a few of these but already renewing my craving for better mental health for myself, and showing me a path I can take to get re-motivated. You are doing a good thing here.

[@MariposaRedimida]

What a sweet guy! Thanks for bringing him on, Mayim!

[@laurapierce1243]

I loved this episode so much. I am a peer recovery specialist someone who is in long term recovery from substance use. Raain said EVERYTHING that I feel and think about my own process and the process of sooo many others in my life ❤

[@nataliesirota2611]

What a great episode, thanks Rainn! I totally got all the bassoon details, my former was an oboist. All my friends were nerds. Really loved this episode, definitely my awkward comfort zone. Thanks to Jonathan for noting the time period of your shows as the zeitgeist for turning the tables on making nerds cool. Now that we have come out of the woodwork, there's no going back! Real nerds are messy. Can you handle the truth? Thanks Rainn for getting real with everyone and pointing out the core feelings, the dysfunction and pain. Yup, you hit the nail on the head for this one.

[@heathercruz8282]

Can't believe you never seen the office...OMG 😲.....my favorite tv still till this day..much love to all

[@cynthiamccullough3718]

Loved this episode. I have only ever seen Rainn in Star Trek Discovery playing Harry Mudd! That was awesome! I really liked seeing Mayim and Jonathan sitting together. I also enjoyed seeing Rainn act as a therapist a couple times during the interview. I hope you keep doing lots and lots of Breakdowns, Mayim & Jonathon.

[@mirfir]

Oh the spiritual vision I had was unreal! Talk about peace!

[@bitchenboutique6953]

YES! MODEL UN NERDS UNITE! (I also once did Model OAS at a convention of high school Spanish clubs from all over Texas. Yeaaaaaah.)

[@devernepersonal3636]

i am "glad" to know i am not the only person who's twenties were not this perfect time of having a job and having all the girls, but rather just feeling like an outcast. but even more so i am truly glad that it can turn out alright as Rainn Wilson has ended up having a good life. Thank you for this episode.

[@alyseceleste]

The fact that you guys didn’t shun spirituality and religion (which so many science geeks do) THANK YOU! That focus and meditation and prayer is so important. Who cares if you pray to a God or just get back in alignment. Whatever works for you! BASOON player here too- that short 2 minutes fangirling over the farting bedpost of then band...PERFECTion

[@astridreads]

I wish this conversation would have went deeper and lasted longer. I could listen to y’all talk for hours and I feel like you didn’t get to scratch the surface of his adulthood. But two of my favorite actors and creatives on one podcast + the best cohost ever Jonathan, made this my favorite episode yet!

[@galpalsal]

Great to see Jonathan’s big move! You guys are a fun pair and smart too!

[@kims.1717]

Okay, you have to watch The Office and Gilmore Girls. So witty and clever - right up your alley!

[@MoonDoggieAngel13]

Hope you guys sit next to each other going forward. Loved show Six Feet Under. Love Rainn's podcast. I 99% watch comedy's, and I just couldn't get into show The Office. Big Fan of Rain, Mayim & Jonathon. Hope more guests do podcasts in studio.

[@susanmontgomery3968]

This was SO good --- but it went by in the blink of an eye! Rainn needs to come back again sometime.

[@lille-mary1517]

This conversation really gave something. Rainn is awesome, smart, have depth. And it is great to see intellectuals get real without sounding stuck up or ”better” than anyone else. Love it.

[@medicinaemdia4895]

I think I managed to beat all of you to the therapy to the punch. I’ve been doing therapy since I was 12 years old and had 4 therapists. I am with my current one for 4 years and she freaking loves Bialik !!!

[@tiffanyw.8287]

We need to hear Jonathan's story.. if he's comfortable sharing, of course.

[@denises9426]

Loved this! I hadn’t seen “The Office” either until Netflix. I’ve never seen “Blossom”, but as you keep referencing it every podcast I’m going to check KZbin to see if I can find an episode. Thanks for a great interview.

[@23cottaw13]

You have not seen the office?!! Mayim! I hope by now you have. I watch the office every night before I go to bed because I know it so well I can watch with my eyes closed because I know it so well.

[@LadyWriter2005]

Mayim I really love your laugh

[@a.m.7438]

"I was very embarrassed to exist." Me too! 🤪 Not anymore, but yes, for a long time, felt that.

[@nomail1681]

Having benefited greatly from personal therapy, I am sooo happy that I did not allow my toxic family members to coerce me into family therapy.

[@RiohBaby]

Now I love Rainn even more. 😊

[@nicoleranville4354]

What a lovely person! You're hilarious AND authentic! I'm so impressed I immediately bought your book Rainn! Thank you Mayim and Jonathan as always.

[@nicolettejahnke7306]

Just finished watching this and a few things came to mind. Therapy, in my 20's I became familiar with Voice Dialogue work, it was so beneficial for me and enabled me to really dive into me. I also have for maybe over 30 years been journaling, journaling on tape, I call it Ramblin Rose, because I just ramble and at times that is so helpful and needful. Now 30 years later I'm curious as to what I thought 30 years ago. For those who can't afford therapy, journaling, talking into a recorder of sorts, like podcasts today, where you explore who you are, helps you figure out who you are, establishes a sense of calm. Question for Mayim how are we going to take care of all the children who are growing up with parents who can't parent and those children don't have the foundations to figure out how to step out into the world.

[@cosmicpolitan]

I really want a Rainn/Mayim duet album!

[@lisagrace6471]

YEEESSS, Rainn, in how hard it is to make friends with deeper connections today!!! Holy cow. So hard.

[@starlightdreamer1999]

Rain is a awesome human being . I am so grateful I saw this podcast.

[@not.gracey]

aww man i wish this went for a few more hours. rainn is endlessly fascinating. good interview!

[@cornelisvolschenk]

Great podcast. Thank you Mayim! As a confused young adult more than 30 years ago, I've been in that same room in the Bahai temple in Haifa and had a similiar experience as Mayim . . . . . lifechanging.

[@SIBIRIAKoriginal]

I'm not surprised considering she didn't know about the bbt before she was casted. And I so jealous! Myaim, you have the big Friends phase ahead in your life, and the Office phase.

[@krissyhurley8846]

I love this episode already and you’ve barely done the introduction 😆! I’m so excited!! I love Rainn Wilson!! And super excited that he’s actually in studio with you guys 😆😁👏🥰

[@arnak2606]

Thanks for the reupload without the black screens !

[@csainphor]

All the shows she hasn't seen are my favorite shows....I'm dying.

[@marisamartinezolivera]

You rock guys!!!! 👍🏼👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻THANKS for the quick change to the good version!!! 💜And for my headache for watching fully previous one! 😖 And for another terrific episode! Love from Barcelona! Silently waiting for new Bevisodes..🙏🏽

[@nicolenichol3820]

I look forward to the next Bevasode, the different thoughts, perspectives and opinions are great, and she has a good sense of humor too. 🖖🫂

[@samawhidden]

Mayim! This was my favorite episode so far! I feel like I’ve been verbally hugged by Rainn and I hope he’s a repeat guest in the future! I’ll be looking into the behi faith because it felt very close to how I believe! Thank you for your podcast its a powerful tool in my mental health tool box ❤️

[@MishyMoshy76]

I dont know why, but I cried when Rainn was talking at the end about our journey in life and I’m hoping to find my way and purpose at some point. Thank you

[@thevirtualtraveler]

Ahhh! I did that too! When I was in Junior High I didn't have even one friend and I used my time there to study the "normal" kids to learn the correct way to act. Then for Highschool, we moved across the country and I got to reinvent myself and use all the skills I learned watching people. I've never come across anyone else who did that before!

[@yurikoshinigami]

I loved it as always, and I know that Mayim talks about her experience so that the other person feels safe to share, but sometimes I feel like they don't have enough time to talk because she interrupts them too much, I would have loved to hear more about his experience.

[@elizabethgalligan1805]

Loved this episode. Thank you Rainn for doing this!!❤🙏

[@patriciadelpilar79]

It's so beautiful to see you both together in person!!!!

[@helloworld8058]

Thank you for this!!!

[@AlphaLoveFree]

One of the best yet!

[@robinsiciliano9084]

Loved this show! What an amazing person.

[@feminist5641]

Loved this episode. I loved hearing from Rainn.

[@ecouturehandmades5166]

Oh gosh! So glad I took the time to listen to this one! Great insights.

[@AllThingsHeartandHome]

Love all of your podcasts but this one had a wonderful balance of depth and humor.

[@surfpaddletravel]

One of the best!!

[@mjgirafalco]

I love you Mayim!!

[@lastjob2011]

The world would be a better place if we had more Geeks and Nerds! I am a proud member of the club! Smart, intelligent, quirky. We don't bother anybody. We just wanna have fun.

[@louisvlleguy]

AWESOME!! Thanks for the fix! I really enjoyed this episode!!

[@cmralph...]

Great interview. Authentic content and honest sharing. (Rare things to find on the interwebs) Thanks!

[@klewis994]

I enjoyed your time with Rainn. Like your other "interviews", he was very open and introspective about his life and career. Fascinating to be part of as an observer. Thank you for what you do, and Jonathan as well. You are a great team and it is fun to see what you do. Much love from Kim in Canada 🇨🇦

[@houseplantnerd2872]

This episode resonates with me so deeply. 💚 Thank you for sharing.

[@cherishchee]

This was the best episode ever! I too had a transcendent experience at the Shrine of the Báb in Haifa that Mayim mentioned. I was bowing down at the threshold on the last day of my 9 day Baha’i Pilgrimage and felt this torrent of energy coming down through the crown of my head. There was a feeling of pure love and I wished I could’ve stayed there forever. But there were a long line of other pilgrims wanting to pray there so I had to leave. It was the only time so far that I’ve felt that and it was life-changing.

[@kimmip4202]

Really enjoyed this episode with Rainn.

[@daphne0123]

Thank you!!!!!!

[@clairedouglas1726]

Fantastic podcast I’m loving the live show it’s so good can’t wait for the next one ☝️ Thanks Mayim keep been awesome , love you 😘 xx

[@lacylashay83]

Absolutely love rainn i could listen and learn from him 24/7 ❤️❤️❤️

[@melissamacaluso3402]

I’ve actually started therapy earlier this year, and I have to say I wish I would have found your channel sooner! Love watching your videos, it’s always somewhat calming and soooooo informative.

[@sophxx183]

SO excited for this one

[@BMarPiano]

Loved it. Delightful. I like the ending - so cute 🥰

[@carolynwhelan8633]

Amazing conversation. Well done.

[@RavenSoupe5]

Remarking on the topic of the 25min mark: I can highly relate to being the girl who's found her comfort zone, but till doesn't quiet fit in. I drive a camaro, play paintball on the weekends, and use a tactical bag as my purse (excellent back support). I fit in more with guys than woman. It's not easy sticking out of the crowd and being your own person. I commend anyone who has the courage to do so. ❤

[@newyorkmyndd9801]

Funny, knowing Rainn is known and celebrated for being a little odd, I didn’t think twice about him not being on camera, just thought- ok thats Rainn….. keep them coming Mayim, this podcast is a huge positive in my week! ✊

[@vanessam3195]

This was so enjoyable. I didn't want it to end!

[@truckingwithtobee]

He was sooo good on six feet under! 😊

[@AngelaSealana]

Wow, I wish I could clip some of your conversation about the benefits of 'putting in the work' so I could spread it everywhere.