RANKING CHARACTERS YOU HATE

[@AthenaPOfficial]

Be sure to check out AUNT DENA'S video making the TAMAGODDARD! So so sooooo obsessed kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZS3iYB7j8SBpaM And here's my reaction to the wonderful magical gift kzbin.infoVKSm9dZZxhE Edit over a year later lol: I don’t actually hate twilight sparkle I just hate her final design and the fact that the show placed her on a much higher pedestal than her just as important friends. Gotta rewatch mlp so bad

[@ob2kenobi388]

"Princess Oom" is misspelled lol

[@Weird-to-the-core]

The reason Jasper didn't accept Steven or Pink Diamond as her diamond when she learned the truth is because she thought her diamond was a spineless pacifist. Steven killing her and bringing her back to her was like her diamond showing her that they're still powerful. She doesn't understand that Steven didn't want for that to happen. Jasper thinks her diamond is a strong shatterer like the other diamonds and her violence loving self started respecting Steven for all the wrong reasons. Yes it was rushed and poorly structured, but there's a method to the madness.

[@AthenaPOfficial]

@@ob2kenobi388HAHAHA youtube has foresaken me!!! I would never call that monster mom

[@skelebonez1349]

Something to note, the reason why Velma got a season 2 actually wasn’t from the backlash, it’s sorta soemthinf that happens all the time, they always plan on a season two regardless. Now as for the backlash, that might be where they may not try to do a season 3, but considering they likely had enough content for that for two seasons, that’s why it was announced It’s sorta like the Cuphead show almost, or really similar to what Netflix does with animation

[@ob2kenobi388]

@@AthenaPOfficial That momster!

[@Mudfire15]

Actually, Donald in Ducktales 2017 didn't tantrum as much, was really insecure about his voice, and was a good guy.

[@kespblaze8560]

I love that show so much

[@juliabrown39]

I love Donald Duck, especially in the 2017 version. He’s one of my favorite characters

[@patax144]

And his relation ship with Daisy in season 3, like Ducktales fixed those two

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

plus daisy is p good in there too, the creators said they didnt want her to just be donald ducks girlfriend and instead be her own character

[@scarlettefoxx5585]

I love ducktales donald.

[@BugsnaxFan_26]

Maybe next she should do a lore video on Max & Ruby??

[@larissac9598]

Seconded!

[@nicokeacola52]

Where the fuck are thier parents. The other kids have them💀 why isn't grandma doing anything. Also I headcannon Max as nonverbal autistic

[@aceofspades8474]

Heck yea, I remember watching that show as a kid.

[@steamiesandiesels1232]

RUBY AND MAX-

[@sheriffpumpkin4104]

Let's go!

[@asherz2]

"i don't think anybody hates scrappy more than i do" the rumor is that james gunn hated scrappy so much that he purposefully made him the villain of the scooby-doo movie so that everyone else would hate him too, and to quote jelloapocalypse "HE DID IT. HE KILLED SCRAPPY."

[@negligible_reality]

I hated Scrappy long before watching the first live action movie, but yeah you're right

[@jermonejackson8437]

But I like scrappy he just doesn't need to always comment on stuff or rush into danger

[@MattTOB618]

Sure, Scrappy was rambunctious and reckless, but he was also just a little kid who wanted to live up to how he perceived his Uncle Scooby to be. It's such a shame what the live-action movie did to his character, and how the writers have basically banned him from even having the opportunity to start fresh.

[@redwoodskies]

is it weird for me to say I don’t hate scrappy I think it’s because he never gave me enough to hate him like he’s so boring and so one note I can’t hate him he’s just meh at most

[@Parasolhyena]

@@jermonejackson8437 I'll admit I like him because he ran into danger, I grew up with the episode where it was him, scooby and shaggy and if he didn't do anything nothing would have happened in the show.

[@angrybirdscricket]

As someone who is obsessed with TVTropes when Scrappy Doo came up i became hysterical the "Character is absolutely despised by the audience" trope is litterally named after him.

[@sonpokann1214]

The one character I hated the most is Lila from Miraculous Ladybug. She gets away too easy, no matter how ridiculous her lies are. She also made everyone, except Adrien, believe that marinette was the bad guy, turned everyone against her, and got her expelled all in one day. Even when Gabriel recruited her for his plans, you could tell she is toying him for her own devices. Edit: Honestly, i did find her very intriguing in the first 2 seasons. She would’ve been an interesting character had it not been that her lies become ridiculous in later seasons(especially season 4 and 5), and everyone just outright believes her. Also, she was not used all that great into the story. If Chloe didn’t had this treatment she has now in the series, Lila would’ve been a decent villain.

[@chriiiiis]

Lila Rossi makes me want to scream and throw my head into a wall at full force. Any episode she's in, I have to go on ao3 and read like any fanfiction where she faces consequences for her actions to keep myself invested in the show just because I can't stand her and that busted ass wig that much.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

literally everyone goes fucking braindead when shes around it pissed me off sm 😭

[@Arella17]

Lila has 0 personality too, like make her interesting but she is so damn boring

[@selinapersaud7629]

Exactly! She’s my least favorite, character in the whole show. But at least she exposed how people like Alya are such bad friends because that’s where we see her at her worst when Lila is around. And, I’m sorry, but everyone is going to say that they fix things in season four, but that doesn’t fix things in my eyes. Knowing your friends secret identity shouldn’t be the reason why you all of a sudden start believing them. that’s why she is also one of my least favorite characters. I think I have about four that I consider my main least favorite characters with Adrien and Gabriel being the other two. Also, with Lila toying Gabriel, they’re toying each other. Gabriel knows that she has her own agenda, I just don’t think he knows exactly what it is.

[@chriiiiis]

@@iwakeupandboomimarat Has Rose never mentioned Lila to Prince Ali or something like she literally has his number

[@Pandatege]

the only thing that makes me angrier than the bad writing in velma is the fact that they actually had such nice designs for most of the cast and they feel ABSOLUTELY WASTED on the bad writing

[@uniformofsquids1718]

Have you seen the concept art? The designs they went with were total downgrades too! They completely wasted a perfect premise and great character designs just because they wanted to jerk off mindy kalling

[@negligible_reality]

I agree, however I would definitely need the designs to be tweaked a bit. Like give Norville/Shaggy longer and floppier hair, maybe giving Velma a pair of loafers of some sort to replace the combat boots they gave her, and maybe changing Daphne's outfit (although I'm not too sure how I would change it, I just know I'm not a huge fan of the outfit they gave her tbh). Other than that the character designs and animation are really good, that alongside the voice acting is legit the only good things about the show. It's a shame that so much genuine talent went to waste on the bad writing and unfunny attempts at humor.

[@irenic_raccoon]

They ruined my favorite himbo... HOW DO YOU MIDCHARACTERIZE FRED SO BADLY HE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH IN THE FIRST PLACE all they had to do was make him nice and silly he's such a lenient character but they couldn't even do that right I'm so mad.

[@boojersey13]

​@@negligible_reality Velma would do great with a pair of Oxfords, they're preppy and retro and not that hard to animate

[@pikasprogaming7550]

Totally agree, a youtuber named lavanderTown made a video where they redesigned the characters and oh my god they were so much better than the actual show. Tbh I’m happy scooby wasn’t in Velma because at least he didn’t have to suffer.

[@zareklordofthefries7858]

I think a big part of a lot of peoples' hatred of Donald Duck is from bad experiences playing Kingdom Hearts, where he is the party healer who is notoriously bad at actually healing you

[@wretchedcats4909]

Yeah honestly in that context I totally get it. Like I remember hating him while playing KH.

[@Antifearn]

Another factor could be his personality in the film The Three Caballeros, since it mostly follows him thirsting after random women (It’s still one of my favorite Disney films though).

[@shipperina2213]

@@Antifearn true, but that was in the 1940s, I can name just as bad, if not worse, things other characters in Diseny did during this era and before (ie. Mickey blackface, Mickey's cow torture, Daisy cheating on Donald with his cousin, ect.)

[@Zthewise]

That's where my mind jumped to, and I haven't even played the games. Just seen enough memes about Donald being bad at his job.

[@Antifearn]

@@shipperina2213 True. I hate Mickey Mouse with a burning passion. When he isn’t bland or corny, he’s just an offense to my eyes.

[@xenstarboy]

OH MY GOD I'M SO HAPPY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME ABOUT THE LOYALTY AND HONESTY THING IN MLP I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. Applejack is literally centered around family tradition and Rainbow Dash is PAINFULLY honest to the point of hurting feelings and it makes me ANGRY

[@caradiel2644]

And that's why the ship works

[@anonymouslucario285]

Why are you angry?

[@aromaladyellie]

The problem I have with that is you can also make the same case for Rarity's generosity and AJ as well. AJ is also incredibly generous. As is Fluttershy. Rarity is also devastatingly honest. The reason AJ is Honesty is because she knows how to be honest without being hurtful and rarely lies, which is not something RD is capable of for a long time. RD will lie to bolster herself up.

[@luluzin5022]

@@aromaladyellie Rainbow also lied to Pinkie Pie for years about liking pies (the food), because she knew the truth would destroy Pinkie. AJ would never do that. Even if it's to protect someone else's feelings, her brain is just incapable of lying. And when other characters are lying "for a good cause", Aj is always there to tell them "this ain't it, fam".

[@MissingNovice]

Bakugo is an "I understand it but I don't hate them" pick for me. Like, he bullied a kid and told him to commit suicide, and the healthy thing for Deku to do would have been to cut him out of his life, and I don't blame anyone for just passing judgement on em for that reason alone. He does a good job of filling the Vegita role of the show though, which is why I think people like him. Honestly one of my favorite scenes in the show is the League of Villains kidnapping him cus they figure he'd be easy to convert to their side, and the moment they undo his restraints he tries to kick all of their asses. The show has a good mix of scenes with him being a badass, and scenes where he gets knocked down a peg when the universe reminds him he's not the main character. And he DOES develop pretty well twords the war arc, where he winds up respecting Deku as an equal and does actually feel bad about how he treated him in the past. Hell, MHA does a very good job with its redemption arcs... I never thought I'd care about Endeavor, but I loved his redemption arc, and how they manage to humanize him and show him genuinely get put on a path to repenting, while at the same time never downplaying all the awful shit he did or absolving him of the consequences of it all. ...Mineta could be deleted from the show though and I couldn't care less though, yeah.

[@ADaughter-Of-Aphrodite]

I love this comment so much

[@lovinosragazza105]

Thank you! 1000% agree with this comment!

[@ThickityMickity]

Honestly I don’t agree with you on endeavor. Bakugou is one thing. But endeavor’s reasoning for abusing his kids and wife was NOT enough for me, I don’t think it was enough for him to get to feel like a hero for dealing with a monster of his own creation, you can’t just abuse a whole family because you got jealous as a grown man😭 But I do like the fact that they don’t treat shoot bad for not forgiving endeavor

[@MissingNovice]

@@ThickityMickity Oh I'm not saying Endeavor is good. I just like how they treated his redemption ark. The moral is that even if you've done something unredeemable, it's still healthier for you to try and move on, rather than double down because there's no way you'll ever be forgiven. Endeavor realizes his kids are under no obligation to forgive him, and still presses onward to try and be in a healthier place mentally. The show dosnt argue he SHOULD be forgiven for anything that he's done, just that the right thing for anyone to do is always try to own up to their mistakes and move forward.

[@ThickityMickity]

@@MissingNovice yeah I get that. That’s the only part of his redemption that I like. But the way I see the show portray him is as this pitiful man who made a mistake and has to pay more then what he owed. THATS the part I don’t like. It’s also an issue with the fandom with how they’re saying Rei was worse then endeavor.

[@ClownieFace]

Finding out that DW became a cop is very very interesting. Additionally, I feel that tons of people hate Rose/Pink simply because we see her arc in reverse.

[@100lovenana]

Personally, the reason I hate Rose is that she offed herself and left all her responsibilities on her son, all while being aware that the diamonds could come back to destroy the Earth at any point. She willingly put Steven and the ones she loved in mortal danger while avoiding taking responsibility for her actions. I personally think the show would've been better if the Diamonds and the Gem empire weren't a threat anymore. Maybe have all diamonds be destroyed at the end of the old rebellion, and Gem kind is now scattered through the universe forming their own small societies. It enhances the post-apocalyptic world that the first season was trying to portray. And most importantly, it would've saved Rose's character, because then she wouldn't be running away from her responsibilities, because in this alternate reality they've already been dealt with and Steven wouldn't have to be burdened by them. Corrupted gems would still exist, of course, so there's still room for conflict. Still, I am aware that in this AU-type story characters like Peridot and Jasper wouldn't exist, or rather they wouldn' have the same purpose since Gem Empire doesn't exist, which makes some fan-favorite story arcs non existant. But still, it's an AU i like to think about since it would keep the postapocalyptic peacefulness that the first season gives and avoids the downhill trayectory of the show after season 3

[@cactus8188]

The Smurfs lore is absolutely crazy. Look into Papa Smurfs background and it’s immediately enticing. Please make a lore video

[@kespblaze8560]

And no one ever mentions the kids from the early show either, like didn’t Gargamel literally kill one of them?!

[@doodlebloom_]

@@kespblaze8560 excuse me????? O_o

[@bugvideos2030]

The 80s show is insane

[@blankslate-ment]

CHILD MURDER? PAPA SMURF BACKSTORY??

[@kespblaze8560]

Technically Sassette got turned into a gold coin, I don’t think it was permanent but it still scared the crap out of me as a kid

[@poppythedogofwonders]

I would just like to impart this great knowledge onto you, some fans of MHA have nicknamed _Min*ta:_ *_The Grapist._* Oh and a common trend in MHA fanfiction is the complete removal of him entirely, like one of the most common tags is "Au - Mineta does not exist"

[@youtubeaccount4111]

bonus: the american voice actors also hate him, though iirc he's the japanese va for izuku's favorite and liked a lot over there in general, could be misremembering though

[@jermonejackson8437]

Oh but I don't see Mineta as that just a stupid pervert who needs self control like seriously he needs to hire a street woman or get a girlfriend

[@Santoryu90]

It gets pretty excessive

[@elizakarnopp8921]

Also AU- Mineta is dead

[@samlovescatsfr]

I remember I saw once a tag that was something like "Au where Mineta gets yeeted into the sun by Bakugo"

[@bnashee]

God im so glad to see someone defend Lars like that. Hes genuinely one of the best written characters on that show and i WISH we had gotten to see more from his space adventures. I would watch a show just about that

[@Xeorboom]

yeah I want more of him

[@jermonejackson8437]

Some times shows and games do stupid "romance" scenes with characters but it leads no where that's a part of life I didn't want in them like have them just always be friends if that's the case but don't put them together in moments that build love ya know? I mention this for Lars and Sadie

[@peachymomo186]

i love lars so much i painted him and lion for like a year when i was in high school T__T he's so complex for a side character

[@Quackervoltz]

Legit they did my boy dirty

[@nadiadlc]

I will not and I repeat will not be having Donald Duck slander, the duck has the whole world against him with the worst luck but still loves his family and friends even if he gets a bit riled up at times- I love him immensely 🥺

[@AthenaPOfficial]

I had no idea his character got this deep! I only am vaguely aware of him hahaha

[@nadiadlc]

@@AthenaPOfficial yeah that’s what I thought too! like sure modern shows have narrowed and mellowed his temper and all around characters but even in the first shorts he’s in he’s no menace, he’s just there to have a fun time! (IM LOOKING AT YOU MICKEY IN THE FIRST COLORED DISNEY SHORT), also random but I love ur work and overall personality btw! great stuff :D

[@islesofforeignrails7917]

Jeanette McCurdy really regretted everything she went through with Dan Schneider's cruel and creepy nature.

[@pappanalab]

I literally love DW. She’s annoying but in the most iconic way ever.

[@prixe12]

Controversial Opinion: DW was literally the best part of Arthur, she was funny as hell and Arthur was just jealous because he's a milestoast ass stale white bread character, don't @ me because I'm right. Sincerely a DW apologist.

[@FirstnameLastname-rf8bf]

Well DW has her moments and could sometimes be very nice. But maybe people forget about the Tibble twins. Even DW had problems with them. They'd make me genuinely angry, but DW never really did

[@leopardnosepaws]

Reason is that. Most people had siblings like DW. One reason to be annoyed with her. Other has to do with the episode Arthur big hit. Where she broke Arthur model plane and seemed to not be punished for destroying his property.

[@Totally_Descendants]

Yes! She might’ve been annoying as hell, but she had some of the best lines in the whole show, especially in the earlier seasons.

[@kalmeio_17]

@@FirstnameLastname-rf8bf Oh yes, the Tibble twins, you unearthed a repressed memory from my mind. They are definitely hella annoying in my opinion too.

[@itsemily2039]

The fact that no one suggested Ronaldo from Steven universe ASTOUNDS me. He had no purpose and was AWFUL to everyone. No redemption. No redeeming qualities. I don’t think I hate a character more

[@yababyfava00]

I mean he can be annoying but he's not the worst

[@confused5804]

As a huge Steven Universe fan when I was a teenager, I hated Ronaldo with a passion, especially after Rocknaldo. Plus I hated his theories from that episode that I saw brought up a few times as legitimate discussion points because he got something right that one time.

[@pemanilnoob]

He has a purpose and I love how awful he is to everyone I genuinely unironically like him more than Steven

[@thatunknownindividual4554]

I hated Ronaldo in “Rocknaldo”, but I enjoyed his character in the rest of the series. I found him funny.

[@Phantomphan613]

Total reddid mod vibes. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a 14 year old "kitten" he spews his garbage-ass conspiracies to

[@Gamer_Dylan_6]

Twilight is more of a tragic failure in my eyes. She had potential in the early seasons to be an amazing character rather than just the bland MC, but either because of the distance between Tara Stong and the studio or Hasbro interference (probably a mix of both) she never actually got the spotlight she deserved to develop. Eventually, she completely loses everything that makes her interesting (around the same time she gets the wings) and devolves into "Oh, what if I'm not a good princess?" And then Spike or Celestia will say "uh idk you got this champ, just do your best". My theory on the reason why there are so many Twilight clones (besides marketing) is because that's the stuff they wanted to give Twilight, but couldn't. When you look at what Lauren set up for Twilight, you see that she was supposed to be the smart, logical, straight man to the point of throwing sass while also being the most dysfunctional of them all when things don't go as planned. Strange and new things happen to her, and she's the one who grounds the audience and learns with them. That's why she writes the letters. It's a fun setup. A character who thinks they know everything but actually they know the least. That's also why Pinkie and Twilight are such good comedic foils in the early episodes they share together. I think in time Twilight could have earned her Alicorn status if the show made the effort to focus and grow her character more. In short. They did Twilight dirty. So dirty. And she's my second favorite. I will not stand for this slander.

[@ianhurley4323]

Took the words right out my mouth. She was so sanitized in the later seasons...

[@AthenaPOfficial]

Oh yeah all my critiques were on the writing I just projected onto her for the sake of the vid. Gotta keep it ENGAGING AND ENRAGING!!!! AHHHHHH

[@thanatoast]

Also girlie is dating Mordecai, she's in her flop era I fear

[@hannawhite7605]

I feel bad for Lauren be she had so many plans for the show

[@caradiel2644]

Personally I thought twilight had some good development but was rushed in the third season because I believe the show was supposed to end then but I'm so glad it didn't

[@memethyst]

i love when athena talks about mlp it's like listening to someone who understands me

[@caradiel2644]

Same

[@anonymouslucario285]

You hate twilight?

[@memethyst]

@@anonymouslucario285 no

[@Twilightsonata-w7p]

Dude Lars was literally my favorite character out of all of SU and I think actively shaped my development into becoming a better human being in middle school. I could’ve easily been so much worse if I never got attached to his character. He was also the reason I started to create art and take my creative passions seriously 😀

[@hailthequeenFM]

That's fucking disturbing. If you have friend(s), I'd recommend they stay away from you.

[@nicomom9534]

​@@hailthequeenFM Random person in the comments: "I like Lars, he shaped me to be a better person because I related to his shortcomings 😊" You: "You are disturbed and sick. You should have NO friends, and if you do then they should all LEAVE you because you are EVIL."

[@wildheartrazorfang6]

Here is my defense for Jasper in Steven Universe Future: I see it less of a Romantic interest and more of Jasper seeing Steven as the only thing she has left. She was the only gem that refused to change and had everything fall apart around her. She was made for a purpose: to be strong. The only gems stronger than her were the diamonds and Lapis, who managed to imprison her within an unstable fusion, and we saw what the results of that were with the toxic ex connections. When Steven went to Jasper, she wasn't alone anymore. She had a purpose again: To be strong and prove her strength against someone else. When Steven shattered her, he gave her exactly what she wanted: The same role she had on Homeworld. Jasper sees Steven as the replacement for Yellow Diamond, but her experience with Lapis made her desperate and further associate her self-worth compared to others. I'm not saying it doesn't look weird in execution, even with context, but I still think it fits with Jasper through the rest of Future.

[@AthenaPOfficial]

Oh yeah I don’t see it romantically either I don’t know why I said in love 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ even while editing I don’t know how I didn’t realize how that would sound. More of an obsession. Like admiration.

[@wildheartrazorfang6]

It's alright, I've totally had moments like that too! I will also admit to writing the comment before fully finishing the section so we're even lol. I definitely agree with feeling sorry for her and that she could definitely use some help. But nothing will replicate that shock and dread form when she first called Steven her diamond lol

[@JamboreeBlackberry]

Her corruption scene traumatized me

[@chopsuymatus9349]

@@wildheartrazorfang6 If I recall correct I think she actually used to be a guard under pink diamond, when she starts getting upset at Steven not remembering shattering as rose quarts, she says “your diamond, my diamond, pink diamond” or at least that’s what I remember it as.

[@Xeorboom]

I just wish she was unfixable adding to Steven's corruption arc

[@jamie_rex]

Athena’s makeup today is fire!1!1!1!

[@Watermelon71623]

True!

[@madnessarcade7447]

Lowkey looks like volcarona

[@Backthejack]

Agreed

[@alexjewett7455]

Literally.

[@jaxtheoverlord6959]

Ikr it's pretty lit

[@valbrown3352]

Stuart Little’s parents are actually the worst. Like imagine going to an orphanage and choosing to adopt the MOUSE. WTH?

[@mandelabutterfly9162]

Yeah. Makes more sense that in the book he is a kid who looks like a mouse. Rather than an actual mouse.

[@midnightgamer-21]

If he’s a mouse, he should be in a pet shop not an orphanage lol

[@rustyshackleford234]

They adopted him as a feeder mouse for their snapping turtle… but when they got home it was dead sooooo… Source: trust me bro

[@genericname2747]

To be fair, the orphanage decided to put a mouse up for adoption.

[@kylemorello4787]

And then forcing your son to accept him without telling him he's a mouse. And forgetting you have a cat

[@AlycatIsAlive]

I’m here for the Andre love. He was too kind and talented for the rest of that friend group 😂

[@3clipse449]

As someone who has hyperfixated on minions lore, please do a video on it. Origin of villain con is one thing I’ve focused on, and it’s a fun fact to share with friends

[@miles_quartz]

as an enjoyer of the archie comics I was shocked that someone would dislike Jughead because I completely forgot that Riverdale was a thing 🧍‍♂️

[@negligible_reality]

I only remember that Riverdale is a thing because of the "I'm weird" meme lol

[@Shadowonwater]

ikr

[@genericname2747]

I mean, early Jughead kind of sucks. Dude was straight up sexist. But he's good now.

[@imsotiredofthiscrap2341]

i'm weird. i'm a weirdo. i don't "fit in." and i don't (inhale) want to fit in. have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on? that's weird.

[@flamefangstar]

I thought they were the same thing

[@antaluster]

I think a lot of people dislike All Might because he's a shit teacher. He also doesn't tell Izuku about his centuries old nemesis that is so dangerous he is considered a legend and a myth. I mean, yeah, all Might thought he was dead, but maybe at least think about telling him about the history behind this power you're about to give him.

[@CrowLady0_0]

so just... he isn't perfect?

[@brandonbasilio4585]

Also suicide bading

[@callmeak21]

Didn’t he leave Izuku on a skyscraper roof after telling him he couldn’t be a hero?

[@dimsufferer9951]

And there's no way he didn't know about the dangers off putting all of AFO in a single area instead of the full body. Because *he* puts AFO all over his body, he should have explained that

[@callmeak21]

@@dimsufferer9951 The thing is if I remember correctly (SPOILERS) wasn’t he quirkless before OFA? So surely he learned some sort of techniques, at least more then clenching your cheeks and yelling?

[@Nopenguin4875]

Okay the one thing I can say for absolute certain about Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond is we saw their character development and story backwards I'm sure if we saw her story forward maybe as a main character in a spin-off series we probably wouldn't hate her as much.

[@AthenaPOfficial]

1000000% I loved how they chose to tell it because it got such a genuine reaction from people. Like we FELT that betrayal

[@rustyshackleford234]

I used to have a friend who had Steven universe R34 on his phone… 🙂 Needless to say he isn’t my friend anymore. I’m saying this because that was the last time I’ve heard of Steven universe, then I saw this comment and it reminded me 😞

[@exammole4545]

@@rustyshackleford234 I’m sorry to hear about your ex-friend, but why was it necessary to comment that 😟

[@rustyshackleford234]

@@exammole4545 it was the last time I heard of Steven universe lmao, it was a few years ago. And then I read this comment and get nightmare-like flashbacks. And I just need to let people know about this atrocity to humanity.

[@Honeybunny_bun]

Real

[@scaraptor2106]

I think some people may hate Murdoc because of how he treated 2D- I know that a LOT of people absolutely love 2D and would kill if their skrungly got hurt lol

[@Chrisjbennett89]

Murdoc for me is a love hate. I dont like how he treats 2d but he is very amuzing and funny. He's like the characters from it's always sunny. Athena's ranking is very fair

[@yourlocalyanfei]

I think the reason why so many people hate Lars is because of the fact that he’s such a minor character to be story, yet he gets some of the best writing and development the show has offered instead of many of the main characters like Peridot, post Season 1 garnet, and ESPECIALLY Lapis and Jasper.

[@Detaur]

It's so hard to tell when non middle aged people genuinely like the minions and not ironically like them. There's someone I know who crocheted a minion and I thought it was ironic so I treated it that way but it turns out it was genuine and I felt so bad. I'm glad my blorbo was spared from the Total Drama character hate, because people usually roast him.

[@midnightgamer-21]

Who is this TDI character you speak of? As a TDI fan, I’d love to know

[@Detaur]

@@midnightgamer-21 Mal (and Mike in general) my poorly written blorbos

[@maem7462]

@@Detaur That’s fair. I like Mike as a character I just don’t like the way the show writes abt DID. Like you said he’s poorly written. Mal was an interesting villain but they basically made everyone else worse at the game in order to make him see more threatening

[@steampunk-llama]

Omg same blorbos 🥹 Mike and his alters were done so dirty by the writing and I’ll never get over the goddamn RESET BUTTON, but despite that I still enjoy them, esp with some of the rewritten stuff I’ve seen by people who actually have DID that get rid of a lot of the mistakes Fresh did Another TD blorbo of mine I’m so glad isn’t here is Eva, because as a kid who used to have bad anger issues I felt so seen by her

[@maem7462]

@@steampunk-llama For me Ava was scary and I think I had too much fear from her to feel any other emotion than that

[@toganium4175]

Athena: the Minions are not annoying Me: how could you say something so controversial, and yet so brave?

[@Vespidazed]

The only thing to remark about Eyeball and Aquamarine's fusion was essentially "Congrats, you two are perfect for eachother! Now go away forever :)"

[@princembat]

ok but you making that 'flames on the side of my face' reference and then saying 'dont ask me where i first saw it' is killing me because ive also never seen that movie/clip/screenshot but ive seen that same reference somewhere before and idk where lol also aquamarine is literally the reason steven ends up on homeworld for the trial _and_ lars' death so she did serve a purpose ahghdg she was just SO annoying while she did it

[@r.pizzamonkey7379]

Tony Stark being a capitalist warmonger is literally the entire point of the first movie. He changes over time, he has an actual character arc.

[@RandomghoulZX]

I believe all the hate toward Discord may stem from how easily Tirek was able to trick him into betraying his friends after he had already been reformed.

[@kespblaze8560]

They treated him like crap though, and let’s be honest he basically went suicidal in his backstory comic, and again in the show, the only person he had was abusive, he never had anyone else, you can’t really blame him for being bad at building relationships, I’m still ticked off that he betrayed Fluttershy like that but honestly at the time they hadn’t even been friends all that long so yeah, I can definitely see why he did it

[@amedotuniverse652]

​@@kespblaze8560He never really gave them a reason to treat him well though. He was still his usual, sneaky self but rarely tried helping them out.

[@Rae0814]

I think it’s that mixed with him pretending to be Grogar that annoyed the Fans and people disliked thought he was probably going to throw away his friendship with Fluttershy and turn back into a Villain permanently.

[@bashfulwolfo6499]

That’s one of the only times I actually like Discord. His first appearance, him siding with Tirek, and him disguising himself as Grogar are genuinely what make me like him. Him being reformed isn’t bad at all, but the execution of it to me is just so excruciatingly painful. At times I have to skip episodes or skip parts of him in it.

[@RandomghoulZX]

@@bashfulwolfo6499 I personally think Discord's character works either way. After all, he is supposed to be a being of chaos and disharmony. I do, however, recognise that some of his character potential was wasted after his reformation, since all of his subsequent appearances seem to limit his powers to strictly being comedy relief.

[@enter-clever-name]

Hearing you talk about Jasper was interesting because… I always thought her writing in Future made sense. Like it’s less that she doesn’t think she can be redeemed but that she doesn’t *want* to, but unlike other gems she doesn’t have any drive to keep fighting Steven or anyone anymore because she was entirely driven by wanting to avenge Pink Diamond, but that’s just not an option anymore because, of course, Steven is Pink. So she just falls into a pit of anger, which is why she was so ready to fall back into the role she knew (protecting and serving her Diamond), but is still aware that’s just not a realistic option

[@area52ron]

Bakugou is someone the creator originally meant to make him hate-able but when he saw how much people liked him the creator changed him into someone whose crushed by expectations because of his quirk and since quirks can change your personality And Bakugou is still a child and he has to deal with all this It also probably doesn’t help that his mother is kinda abusive and his dad is too passive

[@_korepsyche_]

👏👏👏

[@DannyDog27]

I think the problem is that barely anyone in-universe treats his obvious anger issues like a bad thing, so it almost feels like the show is trying to gaslight the viewer into thinking it’s not that bad.

[@_korepsyche_]

@@DannyDog27 as somebody with anger issues, I can completely agree though

[@_korepsyche_]

Although to me, I feel like that's why Best Jeanist is definitely like the perfect mentor for Bakugo

[@area52ron]

@@DannyDog27 true that could have been worked on but from what I remember (please forgive me if I’m incorrect as I don’t have a great memory at times) they at least have the other students poke fun at him even if it’s in a playful way and even though Bakugou gets upset about it it feels like a bluff

[@SunburstSenshi]

I’m gonna say it, I feel bad for Scrappy Doo. He was a puppy trying his best in his first appearance in the show, and he was still a puppy in the movie cause he clearly wasn’t trained well (what with the peeing thing). Plus, they just left him to die in a desert if I remember correctly. His first appearance, he was shipped to Scooby in the mail in a box. His own family didn’t want him. He’s just a poor lil guy too overly excited with his new family, and his new family dumped him. Cruel. 😅

[@caradiel2644]

It'd be like if puss and kitty left patito alone ( from puss in Boots last wish if you haven't seen it)

[@madelinestraumanis219]

But Scrappy isn’t a puppy. Velma literally said “He wasn’t even a puppy, he had a gland disorder.”

[@flamecrystal1843]

Still leaving a dog in the middle of a nowhere dessert without anyone around is basically saying " go die or not you're not worth my time"

[@iodoni12]

THANK YOU FOR DEFENDING RUBY IVE BEEN SCREAMING INTO THE VOID FOR SO LONG

[@rowan404]

I’m so thankful that you put Max and Ruby in the bottom tier! Max and Ruby was one of my earliest hyperfixations and Max was my first ever comfort character! I’m autistic and I had a pragmatic speech delay that made me speak like Max, and seeing someone who spoke and acted like me for the first time ever was incredible for toddler me. I admired Max so much and even strived to be like him! I, too, frequently got into trouble due to others not understanding me, but, in the end, Max always saved the day, and I longed to do the same!

[@elbdot]

I guess I have to explain my stance on Discord 😂 I love his relationship with Fluttershy, FULLY agree on that, it is indeed very cute And when Discord got first introduced I loved how he was a mischievous, cunning trickster, who only failed at his goals because he underestimated the Ponies' friendship and then had Fluttershy being the only one patient enough to teach him about the value of it. In Season 4 his cunning character got to shine again with a satisfying conclusion at the end of the season, where it felt like he got a proper redemption and finally made his peace with Twilight, no longer poking fun at her but taking her seriously. However, as the show went on, his character got more and more degraded to "Pop Culture reference machine" and the few episodes that focused on him were for some reason either him CONTINUING to annoy Twilight as much as he possibly could at any given chance OR being a whiny attention-seeking crybaby UNTIL U N T I L he went COMPLETELY backwards in the final season and came up with the DUMBEST PLAN IN EXISTENCE by bringing ALL of Twilights past enemies together, motivating them to take over Equestria, giving them access to dangerous magical artifacts and then of course getting BACKSTABBED by said villains and he honest to god did not see it coming :')))) He got his magic stolen, went running to Twilight and told her the whole ordeal was mEANT AS A T E S T FOR HER TO MAKE HER FEEL CONFIDENT IN BECOMING A RULER Like you're telling me. This master-trickster. This 1000 year old deity, prankster or not. Didn't see the inevitable BETRAYAL coming and thought it would be smart to give a bunch of villains the most dangerous weapons in Equestria???? Oh and he made Fluttershy cry by pretending to be dying :') There was just nothing left of what I loved about his character by the end of the show I don't know, I just saw so much potential with Discords character in the friendships he could have developed and the lessons he could have learned throughout the show, but he NEVER seemed to grow closer to any other characters besides Fluttershy The IDW Comics actually made him friends with the CMCs which was REALLY sweet and made for some really fun stories that I wish would have been included DON'T read the later ones though, because years later they made a story arc trying to erase EVERYTHING about his original character and trying to convince the audience that he had ALWAYS actually been a harmless misunderstood creature who never did anything wrong EVER in his life and that was just the final freaking straw for me LIKE STOP WITH THE BACKTRACKING, LET YOUR REDEEMED VILLAIN STAY A REDEEMED /VILLAIN/ WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO ERASE HIS PAST????? I have a lot of feelings about how they wrote one of my favorite characters into the gROUND and I hate to admit that I am STILL angry about it 🤣

[@genericname2747]

Eris and Discord should've been partners in crime, instead of Eris being evil and Discord trying to stop her. Would've been interesting seeing her react to her old friend trying to stop her from causing chaos

[@kespblaze8560]

I mean… if you’re talking about the Cosmos arc then he still did things he shouldn’t have, he just wasn’t nearly as bad as Cosmos. As for the rest of it, they did my man DIRTY on a level I truly didn’t realize could be achieved in a kids show!!! They absolutely Butchered his character and it pissed me the fuck off!!!!!!!!

[@davidpescitelli8004]

To be fair in the show he did make a pretty fun trio with Spike and Big Mac. Honestly his interactions with them are some of my favorite in the later seasons. I also kind of like jerky Discord. Like I feel that's always been in his character and if they got rid of it then he wouldn't Discord. I do think they went too far in places. I do agree with you on the Cosmos comic arc. Terrible arc, terrible villain. I think it's a side affect of the IDW writers trying to make him more sympathetic going way too far.

[@anonymouslucario285]

Why are you mad at a children's show?

[@thewitchbasket]

I sidestep this issue by refusing to acknowledge the last few seasons 🤡

[@pedropaulo5600]

I really love Rose Quartz as a character, the descontruction of her thruought the seasons from an Icon to the leader of the revolution who also did a lot of crappy shit is chef's kiss

[@Giran_0]

They should have kept mystery incorporated(2011) going that show was so good and Pericles will always be the best Scooby villain plus Marcie was a good addition to the gang

[@dimsufferer9951]

RIP Marcie Fleach

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

You should do a lore video on Disventure Camp! It’s a fan made total drama series and I’d love to hear what you think about it!

[@Observer_Decay]

I don't dislike Allmight. However, I can see why people would. He leaves a quirkless Izuku in a dangerous situation at least twice (not taking him to the hospital after he was attacked by the sludge villain, and on top of a roof with only one possibly locked exit.) He was also willing to let a child he didn't know die (Bakugo during the second sludge villain attack)

[@bria8481]

He repents for all those situations, plus it’s not like he was jsut letting the kid die. There were so many superhero’s there, and he had deflated. Like him saving the kid was the start of his downfall to not being able to use one for all.

[@danielmendes8975]

Also finally someone points out the favouritism with twilight, Fr not even Mattel is that bad with their favouritism with draculaura , like common it’s the “main 6” not “main 1” 😭 The random kid they threw to hell desereved the redemption far more then starlight the cult leader did let’s be honest

[@anonymouslucario285]

Starlight because a better character over time

[@TheProxy066]

I also thought that it was so weird (and funny) how they put an actual child into Tartarus. And how she helped the bad guys in the last season; she doesn't even have her own magic. Also, where are her parents??

[@starpower1884]

Stewart little is literally unshakeable he's just a lil guy with a lil car, I love him.

[@projecte-niko8655]

Former smurfs kid here. Aka used to watch it regularly. The lore goes crazy in the old cartoon. I say they are in the "I understand it, but I dont hate them" category, except the smurf with glasses (let's call him "Pretentious little blue midget" since I forgot his name) is in the "HATE but not the worst" zone for me.

[@galaxymystory7804]

The smurf with the Glasses is Brainy.😊

[@projecte-niko8655]

Thanks, let me correct myself. I HATE BRAINY.

[@romanansari2003]

They planned for Velma having a 2nd season before the release so backlash didnt matter at all in this situation

[@JeremiahFuentes99]

My only submission for a potential part would be Lapis from Steven Universe. What gets me very annoyed about her is that while yes she did go through some heavy shit. Most of the shitty things she does to others in response are always like. Brushed aside and treated like no big deal. Like her hijacking the barn and then destroying it. And also her being painted as the only one suffering and Jasper as the instigator during the whole Malachite arc when like she was the one that tricked Jasper into the ocean and kept them fused! ...honestly I might be more annoyed with the writers doing her like this than with Lapis herself. 💀

[@tigerli1y206]

THANK YOU!!! I was just gonna write a comment about Lapis when I saw this one- I hate Lapis so much; she treated Peridot like absolute shit when she was trying SO HARD to be nice that she was willing to abandon her home to make Lapis happy. We never see an apology from Lapis and it’s incredibly frustrating. Terrible character

[@sawk1875]

Honestly Lapis had the framework of a really good character but I think she was botched pretty badly with how rushed the later seasons were.

[@Cyburim]

Really hate how the Fandom just disregards that Lapis came back from the moon only to drop the BARN. THE LOVABLE BARN THAT LAPIS AND PERIDOT HAD CONNECTED AND MADE MEEPMORPS IN. **JUST TO THROW IT AT BLUE DIAMOND AND ONLY GIVE A SMALL 'hey'** I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT HOW HORRIBLY THEY TREATED HER AND BISMUTH AS CRYSTAL GEMS TO SIDELINE THEM SOOO HARD OUT OF THE SHOW TO THE POINT OF ONLY BRINGING THEM BACK FOR PLOT RELEVANCE SAKE YES YES LAPIS IS POORLY WRITTEN THANK YOU OP THANK YOU As someone who's been here since the show aired it really pisses me off that people treat Lapis as such a fan favorite when she's just as jaded as Jasper at most points, EVEN IN FUTURE NEARLY KILLING THE OTHER LAPIS' DONT TELL ME SHE DIDNT HAVE CONTROL WHEN SHE VERY CLEARLY WOULD HAVE IF STEVEN WERENT THERE. Lapis Lazuli is my personal worst character ever.

[@alistairrosehearts9734]

THIS!!!! Lapis was very clearly the instigator in the malachite arc, and even admitted to enjoying abusing Jasper. And Jasper's behavior afterwards showed she was very very traumatized by what Lapis did to her. And then Lapis' behavior towards Peridot reeked of abusive undertones, and even the pumpkin dog didn't want to go with Lapis when she took the barn. Steven Universe falls into the trap of writing abuse survivors in the "perfect angel victim" vs "broken psychopath" dichotomy a lot, but at the same trying to make it look like it's not. Lapis and Jasper are a huge example of this, Lapis is treated as the perfect victim but yet unlike other perfect victim portrayals she's very clearly in the wrong in a lot of moments which just comes off confusing and like the writers be super sus. And then Jasper is such a huge example of trauma survivors with messy symptoms getting done dirty as they are constantly demonized throughout the narrative, sometimes in ways that blame their actions on their trauma but also suggests they deserve traumatic things because of their actions. It's offensive writing that has hurt me a lot as someone with CPTSD, BPD and other various issues as a result of childhood abuse, and thus having the "scary" disorders and "messy" symptoms it feels like I'm constantly being demonized for trauma responses that are not my fault. And just seeing media rep that is absolutely awful only adds to that, as that shows me that's the way people view me because I'm not the "pretty" type of abuse survivor. Though I will admit that at least Future has done a decent portrayal with pink's old pearl. But generally if you want actually good rep for trauma survivors with messy symptoms, or better handling of so many themes SU tried in general, just watch Transformers: Prime. Arcee is the ptsd queen SU could only dream of having. Or really any most TF cartoons will handle a lot of the same themes as SU better. My best recommendation rn is Earthspark because it is the inclusive and understanding show with actual understanding of it's themes that SU can only dream of being.

[@ceazarsalad4414]

the scene were she destroys peridot's tape recorder still fucking breaks my heart . honestly i think Lapis is the worst written character in SU bc unlike like jasper or even ronaldo she's written like youre supposed to like her

[@galiasamanthasiurob7218]

You see, people love bakugo bc they love an idealized version of him. I'm from the fandom and my friend is obssesed with him so I know the headcannons and the arguments people have and how they justify him, and the nicer version of him that appears all over media of MHA

[@AthenaPOfficial]

It must be REEEEEEALLY slow burn because I got pretty far in the series and he still had issues on issues on issues hahaha

[@galiasamanthasiurob7218]

@@AthenaPOfficial i think he does soooort of have sooome growth .___. but not that much btw cool video 👍

[@fandomtrash7505]

​@@galiasamanthasiurob7218 he's gone through huge growth, some spoiler events in the manga have shown that, especially that scene with him and Izuku.

[@I-eatSANDfor_breakfast.]

As someone who absolutely loves bakugou, his entire character is important to me. I will ever defend his bullying, I will however defend him as a character. He’s developed and anyone out here that doesn’t see how far he’s gotten on his route to getting better needs to catch up. Bro apologized, not even that he genuinely regrets everything and is making changes. I dunno about everyone, but I love myself a character who can change for the better. They automatically have my attention on them more then people that don’t change at all throughout a series. Character development for the win!!

[@trentintoof1465]

​@AthenaPOfficial most of the growth for him and the side cast comes from fan stories besides that there is no rime or reason for much from class 1a

[@myaursus247]

I agreed with everything you said, it was so nice to hear somebody else has issues with Cody and Bakugo especially since I always hear about how everyone adores them. Also- DW does infact slay.

[@whothehckisbucky859]

same, Bakugo antis are so far and few between.

[@kursedcurtain4791]

Y'know what? I get the appeal for the minions! Especially when they're given their own personalities and made distinct from their literal clones Yeah, I'm a Bob stan. let's go Bob!! 🧸

[@radioactiveanimations4159]

3:31 “You can go to the race for lonely children!” “It’s *only* children DW! A lonely child is what you’re gonna be when I *sell you* !”

[@NixityNullt]

25:50 I actually think that jasper warming up to steven makes sense. She's the kind of character whose whole personality is enjoying combat and violence (kind of like a Dragon Ball saiyan) so obviously the only way to pacify her or gain her respect would be to defeat her in combat

[@eattherich5409]

riverdale also erased Jughead's asexualaity and so it will forever be worthless

[@madnessarcade7447]

Ok?

[@negligible_reality]

Honestly you're right and you should say it ❤

[@rustyshackleford234]

I want to make a joke about cells multiplying and stuff, but I feel like I’ll get cancelled lmao

[@genericname2747]

My man just wants to eat burgers with his dog.

[@sawk1875]

THIS HOLY SHIT like Jughead was my fav from the original comics and what they did to him was just *god why*

[@kellyntaylor8184]

I do feel bad for the actress for Sam as her mom forced her to act. And in my youth, I was a lot like sam. I’m willing to proudly admit I get violent easily… very easily. I won’t blame my parents for this, and I found Sam relatable in a way and she was actually funny to me. Her and Carly’s friendship was a lot like my and my best friend’s relationship. I can’t really hate Sam of dislike her, except Fred’s mom. The woman can burn

[@Astr0_Man]

i felt this, like id be Sams friend n shit. also Freddys mom is a fuckin control freak and i hated her so much. shes on my kill list

[@pikasprogaming7550]

Yeah I can’t really hate same either I can understand why people would but I love her as a character, feel so bad for her :(

[@bashfulwolfo6499]

I was very much like Sam as a kid too, but only to other kids around my age. It was a coping mechanism for my trauma for sure. Plus, Sam was just the funniest one to me (along with Spencer).

[@apertureAI-jw1iz]

Jasper considering herself subservient to Steven and calling him "my diamond" despite him literally murdering her was...weird. I really hated Future.

[@MidnightNautil1]

16:03 Athena I want you to know that I care and am excited for the potential Smurfs lore deep dive. This franchise (especially the original comics) was a BIG fixation for me as a child and I’d love to see you dive into it

[@faiththehedgehog877]

Same here! I've been a huge fan of the Smurfs since I was a kid. They were my biggest comfort and I have a special place in my heart for the live-action movies.

[@mburns29]

“Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated” could be a potentially good topic to do a lore video on.

[@100lovenana]

I know people are gonna hate me for this, but I couldn't get into Mystery Inc. becaude I didn't like how they handled the Shaggy and Velma ship. It felt like forced drama for the sake of drama, not to mention they made Velma look like a whiny brat many times because of that. I GET IT, the show is trying to portray teenagers as actual teenagers, but they can do it without changing a beloved character's personality to the point they are unrecognizable

[@BinglesP]

Loved hearing Athena talk about Total Drama for a couple minutes, I wouldn’t say she should do a “lore” video about it but maybe a tier list of all the characters or seasons? Idk

[@nuclearseahorse]

DW is so fucking funny but I can understand if people hate her because she was playing the annoying little sister really really well

[@Chrisjbennett89]

She also has the best lines "that sign doesn't stop me because of i can't read."

[@shaynstewart2856]

Personally, I feel like one character should be in this video that sadly got left out, Ginny from Ginny and Georgia. She wants mommy issues so bad that she verbally abuses her own mom who sacrificed SO MUCH for Ginny. She's even worse with her friends and just so ungrateful, can't wait to see if there is a part 2. I love your videos!

[@dragongaming2796]

Ok the jasper part got me because jasper and steven had agreed to fight and at one point jasper was even pushing steven to not hold back. Jasper was an amazing character, who was set in her purpose, lost in all the teachings of the old diamonds, and didn’t believe Steven was capable as a diamond, even though he was supposed to be hers. It wasn’t until they started sparring and Steven learned how to connect with her that she started opening up and jasper honestly did a better job than most of stevens other friends to get him to open up about what was going on. Yes in the original series jasper is a villain but even then she’s a well written villain and it’s very clear she’s being fueled by a rage she doesn’t even really understand.

[@zinja0830]

Clue is my fave movie. Strongly recommend watching when you’re in a goofy mood!

[@larissac9598]

Haven't seen the video (I initially learned that reference from Sanders Sides too), but if it's even half as good as James Somerton (a really awesome video essayist, _please_ send him your views & cash if possible as he's in a bad spot rn), it's going to be an amazing watch for you. Fun fact, it has multiple different endings and no one's truly sure which is "canon"!

[@taylynhopkins]

@@larissac9598I always considered the canon one to be the last one where they say “but this is what really happened “

[@gabrielle4821]

@@taylynhopkins I always though of it as the one where the butler set them all up because of the whole “sleep with my WIFE” joke, and also because that one’s just really cool to me

[@rammalty]

@@larissac9598 So I wasn’t the only person who first saw the clue reference on sanders sides?

[@larissac9598]

@@rammalty Nope 😊

[@TheLeafcuter]

Honestly, I actually really like Warren. I mean, he's a horrible horrible person obviously, but him being the villain in the episode kinda.. idk, felt cathartic? I've had a Warren as a friend before, someone who latches on to you like an energy leach, who you have to walk on eggshells around, who is so obsessive with you that he drives away your other friends until you're dependent on him as your only source for social needs. The episode was just a massive reminder of that ex-friend of mine, and it felt good to watch the characters react to Warren the way they did.

[@Lampthedestroyer]

Ok, she didn’t say this in the video but I saw someone say they didn’t like Glendale from Centaurworld, and I’m sure that was a typo or a mistake, as it would be impossible for anyone to dislike such a delightful character. I am a Glendale Stan.

[@bashfulwolfo6499]

The only person I know that doesn’t like Glendale is my friend, and that’s just because of Glendale’s voice (we both have misophonia). That’s the only reason I will ever accept

[@Lampthedestroyer]

@@bashfulwolfo6499 real.

[@Miscellaneous_Minx]

I absolutely love Starlight Glimmer because her change of heart was SO out of nowhere and she’s just powerful as fuck for no reason. I genuinely can’t hate her I love her too much 😭

[@uniformofsquids1718]

Honestly with the types of characters that got suggested, I’m shocked Buck Cluck didn’t make the cut. Like he’s pretty unanimously hated. There’s a suggestion for if there’s a part 2 I guess

[@Dukeofnachos]

Also unironically I think Mineta/Bakugo would be such a trainwreck that the entire train would do a backflip and end up safely back on the tracks. Their personalities would clash in a way that I want to believe would force them to develop. For example, Mineta is a coward when the series starts. He gets... better? But still cowardly, I think. So if they're going to be together, Bakugo essentially has to learn to calm down so he's not constantly scaring the hell out of Mineta all the time. And Bakugo (as much off a dick as he is) also doesn't tolerate his friends messing around in things he disapproves of, and so Mineta would have to leave the girls alone under threat of being turned into a fine red mist.

[@sawk1875]

As a person who loves shipping garbage characters together, I approve of this.

[@iker2333]

Decent Crackship energy

[@yetanotherethan9747]

I think it's hilarious that she goes straight from hating Iron Man (which I can understand if you don't follow his journey as a character, but he does improve a ton pretty much every movie he's in) to hating Twilight Sparkle from MLP because of semantics and assigning value

[@DevLunar]

The redeeming quality of the Minions movie is Scarlet Overkill. We love to see an evil girl boss and her bottom coded husband

[@sheebeebug]

The thought of shipping live action Jughead and animated Indian Velma is killing me😂😂

[@hannahveerkamp4838]

That scrappy doo scene also scared the fuck out of me for no reason too like I absolutely understand what you’re talking about when discussing that scene. I’m glad I’m not alone lol

[@jaxtheoverlord6959]

I am shocked Ronaldo from Steven Universe didn't get on here but regardless loved this episode (and your makeup!)

[@bepsspeb6527]

I think people suppressed him from their memory and that's why he didn't show up. He's just that awful

[@jaxtheoverlord6959]

@@bepsspeb6527 That is valid tbh

[@MoonMoon-cl4co]

Honestly I have always had a soft spot for Scrappy! I grew up watching the series with him on DVD and I never found him annoying! And when it came time and I watched the live action movie little me was not very happy! Also to note on the other shows Rose/Pink diamond is such an interesting character and so complex! And Bakugou does go through a lot of development and gets better! And to some extent so does Mineta if that’s makes who feel any better!

[@midnightgamer-21]

Yea true, Scrappy is just a lil puppy and I don’t understand why people hate him so much if he’s just a lil dog

[@pastelnut027]

I’m so glad that I’m not alone. As a kid I LOVED the episodes where Scrappy showed up, he was my favourite character. And then the movie happened.

[@batty_babette]

This was such a fun video! Your ranking videos are always a blast (and I tend to agree with your rankings haha). And yesssss please Smurf lore!! The cartoon is so good

[@oobilikestuff4029]

The Smurfs only annoy me bc I was traumatized by their “la la la” song as a kid. I would watch the TV channel Boomerang growing up, and they NEVER changed the commercials they aired. So between shows I would just hear “La la la la la” from their Smurf’s add and it drove me crazy!!! Also, on a different topic, there was a smurfs rip off they would air. It was about some sort of underwater creatures but I can’t remember what it was called

[@AthenaPOfficial]

SNORKS!!! They actually came out around the same time so I think it was more of a strange coincidence than intentional knockoff! I find them very interesting also 👀 might just shoehorn them into the smurfs vid whenever I make it hahaha

[@oobilikestuff4029]

@@AthenaPOfficial yessss!!! Snorks!! I’m so glad I’m not the only one who remembers that!!! 😂 I didn’t realize they came out near the same time though. That’s very interesting lol

[@mistyangelwolfdraws]

3:30 12:12 13:02 It's a me! Glad to see Bakugo and Mineta getting slandered on! But also finally someone else to give Tori some love and call out everyone else in the main cast are not good characters!

[@calbee.add1ct141]

i kinda see the dumbledore comparison for tori tho except in this case the older mentor actlly cares abt the mentee n explains shit unlike dumbledore who was the vaguest mf who allowed harry to head into danger without a clue abt what he was getting into

[@ninjapotatolorf6237]

Former Brony speaking up just to briefly talk about the MLP comics because DAMN they took a boring character character like Celestia and made her an incredible, multi-layered character who, despite her role and responsibilities, is just a person doing her best. (One of the first things explored in the comics was the crushing loneliness she had to face after she banished her sister to the moon.) As for my personal thoughts on your placement of the characters, I am forced to agree that Starlight Sparkle is just an inferior Sunset Shimmer that isn't tied to the Equestria Girls spinoff movies. Rainbow Dash I actually had to think about a lot, but I think I'd put her with Jimmy and Cindy. Like them, she's self-centered and full of flaws, yet she's never done anything that awful. (You cite her song about going to the Gala without even mentioning that everyone gets a song about why they wanna go and they're all equally for self-centered reasons.) I will gladly debate any of the above-mentioned ponies with anyone that wants to make their case. However, I will not be debating my stances on Pinkie Pie (because she is precious and you all need to lay off her) or Twilight Sparkle (aka my spirit animal). DO NOT DEBATE ME ON THIS; YOU CANNOT WIN! (Look all I'm saying is Twilight getting extra Alicorn powers wasn't her fault. Writers were trying to both end the series and make a new design to sell a few extra toys. Obviously the series didn't end there, so the writers were forced to deal with the consequences of their hasty choice.)

[@AthenaPOfficial]

Oh yeah twilight genuinely didn’t do anything wrong all this rage is at the writing. I also agree with all your takes. The one thing I will say though is I didn’t even mean to cite the at the gala song it just popped in my head so I sang it HAHAHA my brain EMPTY 🤣

[@caradiel2644]

I only have comments on twilight here twilight is not "better" than her friends but she was definitely more deserving of that position because I think a lot of people forget that Twilight has been working under celestia since she was a kid so much so that she sent twilight to take care of an important celebration in the first episode and twilight didn't bat an eye so that's clearly something that she's done before the last thing twilight I needed to learn was friendship and how to handle life threatening situations, Celestia had been preparing Twilight for her wings way before she even met the rest of the main six and to say that all of them deserve that too kind of undermines the work she's done

[@abbyelectric]

when I was in my MLP phase (bearing in mind I must have been around 8-11 years old) Rainbow was my favourite and it pains me to see her not really getting much defence in these comments. I likes her because, unlike the others, she wasn't nearly as afraid to speak her mind or express confidence in herself, which reminded me a lot of myself. Sure, she took it too far sometimes, but the show was all about addressing why such behaviour could be problematic, and she went through an arc of slowly becoming less arrogant and rude, while not having her character completely overhauled.

[@shanicem.6291]

I've never understood the hate people have for Stuart Little but at least the memes are funny 😭

[@pinky0558]

21:22 Sheen needs to “try to get the waiter’s attention by blinking in Morse code”

[@lyndseystrait1513]

Very fun character roasting & defending roulette! I will have to check out some of the shows I haven't heard of like the clone one and I look forward to seeing more great kid show lore videos! Commentary was good too.

[@youtubeaccount4111]

34:35 *mr meaty flashbacks* also hated baka-gou the unalive baiter, took almost 6 full seasons but he finally actually earned the "if i got yote to that universe (at this point in the anime), i would befriend* status, which is saying a LOT

[@miles_quartz]

pinkie pie haters can catch these hands like why do you hate JOY??? I will defend her with my life

[@ShellySwirl]

I thought the same thing!!!! BUT I think it's because she's too annoying and overly bouncy and the smile HD thing.. Which Smile HD isn't even canon so that isn't valid.. I personally love her though!

[@prcervi]

As someone who had a phase of liking bakugo, his appeal for me was in au/ua fanfics where he had to actually have a god damn character arc (good box of potential, poorly done in canon)

[@rirururu4697]

How far did you get in MHA? I'm curious.

[@100lovenana]

4:00 Athena, I'm a teacher for after-school activities and summer camps (or rather the equivalent of those here in Europe). I confirm that you are speaking the truth here. Some children (and teenagers as well) can't control their attitude because they literally need it to unwind before they grow up to be more mature. It's part of their pyschology, their brains aren't fully developed yet. It cracks me up but it also saddens me how many adults don't get it and resort to despising all children in general without even trying to comprehend WHY they are like that. It doesn't happen with all those kinds adults, but most of them tend to turn into absolutely bitter people who, ironically, end up being even more immature than the children they claim to hate. The thing about DW is something that another commenter (which is hilariously called "urmom6701") has explained: it isn't her attitude that is damaging, it's that her parents don't bother to correct her, and yes, THAT is the concerning part. Because even if some children need to unwind, THEY ALSO NEED TO BE RAISED PROPERLY. I'm talking from experience, it's the children's PARENTS I worry most about in my line of work, I've met some absolute scums that shouldn't be allowed to raise children, and DW's parents are concerning in that aspect even if they don't fall onto the extreme.

[@pikasprogaming7550]

23:37 Lars changed you could see it during the episodes I feel like we got a lot from him when him and Steven swapped bodies that one time he changed over the series from being a complete jerk to a pretty nice guy

[@pikasprogaming7550]

About pink diamond* she is the main driving force of the series if she didn’t do all the stuff she did the series would be totally different but you have to take into account that it seemed like she didn’t really see the consequences to her actions it’s possible if she didn’t keep asking and whining about wanting her own planet to rule than earth would have been untouched but it’s also possible that one of the other diamonds could do colonized it,

[@EAKugler]

I WANT SMURF LORE. Explain how The Smurfs and the Magic Flute connects to the regular TV show.

[@screamqueen3823]

I second that!

[@turtlerollover9382]

I want smurf lore so bad, its such a weird franchise

[@techneti_um]

The minions are honestly a legitimately cool concept that's the thing, like literally evolving to follow the most evil person but going against it to keep working with Gru after he became good? That’s sick af I actually feel like they’re specifically so annoying to STOP the villains, in the minions movie opening they actually caused the deaths of all of them - they’re annoying for the sake of the entire world

[@LoganWH8]

I was also rooting for Dave for most of that season. His obsession with Sky didn’t rub me the wrong way at first because she seemed to feel the same way, and I probably missed a lot of other red flags because of his germaphobia-ocd which I have myself, and because there were only like four characters that season who weren’t completely one note and annoying. But yeah, he went full incel at the end.

[@m.nic.5080]

I appreciate your mature perspective on Murdoc. I watch your content, thank you for being one of the few creators I feel welcome interacting with on this platform.

[@Mizu_Melon]

Have yet to finish the video but THANK YOU for being one of few people I've seen that doesn't go on the Ruby hate train I deadass thought I was the only one here!

[@karinababs9200]

Thank you for adding my Cindy rant in ur video!!! And fair if it wasn’t for Cindy and Jimmy we would’ve watch planet sheen

[@savannahshoop4701]

🥺 I wanna Smurf lore video. I loved the smurfs tho as a kid. And for the most part I agree with your list

[@logandelacruz2152]

5:41 “Well that didn’t quite age so well!”

[@LoganWH8]

28:01 I was literally thinking “Andre wasn’t a bad person” as you started saying it.

[@LoganWH8]

I think the worst thing Andre did was date a girl because her dad was a record label exec. That’s not great, but she was absolutely awful. Her own dad didn’t even like her. It was torturous for him to date her and he still felt guilty. I say there’s nothing immoral about scamming the shid out of awful rich people.