Raspberry Pi 4 vs Orange Pi 5 Showdown

[@infernus8926]

I can only recommend buying the Orange Pi 5. I bought it an 8 gig version few months ago and I've been using it as a server / worker node in a k3s cluster + running some docker containers on it. I also have a raspberry pi 4. The performance difference is huge towards the orange pi. It is very stable, very reliable, extremely fast + it has an m.2 slot which is awesome. So if you only gonna use cli and want something that you can throw into the corner of your room to run your services then orange pi it is.

[@helpingninja]

yep, agreed

[@FxLybs]

This is exactly the use case I wanted to verify. Thank you. At this point I ask you if you have also tried a virtualization environment like Proxmox? What do you say? (I would need both). Thanks again and congratulations for the video!!!

[@harshr]

Wow. Exactly the comment I was looking for. Any idea about the raspberry pi 5?

[@NIK12787]

I have an Orange Pi 5B that I use as my computer running Armbian. Works great and can run Steam once you install proper things such as Box64 and Box86.

[@helpingninja]

Glad to hear you're using Armbian, it's a great project imho.

[@dereklaur2154]

can you compare the raspberry pi 5 to the orange pi 5? debating on which one to get for an embedded systems course. I am leaning towards the orange pi 5

[@helpingninja]

Sure, I'll do that one too.

[@dereklaur2154]

awesome thanks@@helpingninja

[@erickvilca6705]

x2

[@LordSmile666]

Another great video, thanks Ninja :) I myself am a proud owner of RPi4 and am quite happy with it. However if I was in the market for a new SBC I would go for Orange hands down.

[@helpingninja]

Thanks, you’re welcome. Still waiting for the new Rpi5. The pcie could prove veeery interesting 🧐

[@andrewd4906]

The Orange Pi5 plus is king of the hill in my opinion but is close in price to the N100 powered mini PCs. Bang for buck I think the Raspberry Pi 5 is the best option, however you will have to wait. If you want a fast SBC now Orange Pi5 is the winner. There is an optimised version of Ubuntu by Joshua Riek that shows the Orange Pi5 at it's best. I wish it was the official OS for the OP5. I wouldn't buy a Raspberry Pi 4 right now I would wait for the 5 or get an Orange Pi5. Thanks for the video.

[@helpingninja]

You’re welcome. Agreed, the Joshua Rieks image is great.

[@JazzTechie]

Honestly, I think the raspberry pi CM5 is going to be the hot item to look out for. The raspi 5 SBC is worth skipping. Has too much “last gen” design baggage holding it back.

[@helpingninja]

The CM5 could prove interesting. But I'm afraid that's even further away than the full rpi5 :/

[@helpingninja]

@@tomspecht4733 I like to see the comparison also, as soon as I'm able to get my hands on rpi5. Latest news is..they should be shipping in this week, so fingers crossed. But they already delayed the deliver two times by now...so noone really knows when will it arrive.

[@marcinmorun]

I'm not owner of any sbc. Of all currently available on the market, which one would make a great desktop replacement (for web browsing and smooth KZbin video playback) and some occasional tinkering?

[@helpingninja]

Well it's not an easy answer. If you want a Desktop experience, the requirement is to run Linux on it - and that has some consequences. Especially in 3D and video capabilities - linux has and to this day have poor hw acceleration. So smooth youtube experience may be kinda problematic on Linux. On the other hand running Android on SBC you'll be fine. In my honest opinion the best arm SBC today to run as desktop is the Orange Pi 5 Plus version. If you have more buck to spend...I'll recommend something x86 based - like a Intel NUC mini PC. That's basically mini-factor fully capable computer.

[@jasonkulhanek6802]

You should be comparing either Raspberry Pi 4 to Orange Pi 4 or Raspberry Pi 5 to Orange Pi 5 based on when the technology for each board was released...otherwise you are not properly comparing raspberrys to oranges (so to speak). If someone actually thinks there's even a comparison, they are not familiar with SBCs in which case they should just buy any of the top SBCs latest releases and not models that are 3+ years old and they'll be fine then (leaning more towards RPis simply because of the ease of use over the others). And with Banana Pi finally releasing their Linux image for their BPI-M6, your 2024 choices are RPi5, Orange Pi 5 (OP5 Plus) or Banana Pi M6 (BPI-M6). With the OP5 Plus allowing for a fast M.2 SSD drive, 8-cores and a NPU (Neural Processing Unit) processor along with more support than the Banana Pi...it is a very strong contender as first choice. The BPI-M6 only has 4 main cores, but it also has a 1-core Cortex processor (so think RPi4 + Cortex MCU packaged together with internal linkage). The only thing RPi5 has over the others is popularity since the RPi5 doesn't perform as well as OP5 or BPI-M6 boards. Popularity does bring with it more projects/support which for someone new to SBCs, that is invaluable. So if you are a newby, RPi5 is a great first choice. If you are skilled user, OP5 Plus (or even just the OP5) can offer quite a bit more power. And if you are into AI (running on NPUs) and have the skills to back it, the OP5, OP5 Plus or the BPI-M6 are great choices. Maybe 'Helping Ninja' just doesn't have other SBCs and those were all he had to do a comparison video with...otherwise as interesting as this video is, I don't think the comparison is even relevant.

[@helpingninja]

Thanks for the input; I appreciate it. Well, you're quite correct; at the time of making this video, I was still waiting for the RPi5 to arrive.

[@LivingLinux]

The Orange Pi 5 can connect another monitor through the USB-C port?

[@helpingninja]

Yes. But there are two usb-c ports. One is pure power port. The second one can be used for the display output.

[@kiodiekin]

it can handle 3 displays with the mipi connector so can rasp pi 5

[@natearrigoni]

There is only like 1 dude in the community working on the Orange Pi for ports and community support (god bless you Joshua Riek) and the OS options from O Pi are limited and iffy. Their specs are great looking, but you really have to make sure you can find the drivers or support for what you want to do with them or can write it yourself. You can get an R Pi and find thousands of uses with all the support you need and repurpose them over and over. Orange Pi and the other available offerings out there just don't have a fraction of the community as the R Pi and it makes it harder for new folks to use them and feel successful as they learn. I don't think the other SBC providers will catch up any time soon, but who knows. Get an R Pi bottom line, no brainer.

[@Da_GrandiMan]

Nice Vid, I'm a Pi guy ! (Pi - W, Z, 2b, 3, 4, 400 & 5). 😮 Not happy with the flakey, PCIe to Nvme software installation of hats & it's Compatibility ( PineBerry stopped working & Pimoroni does not work). Should have better, software, support & instructions. Sadd ?

[@helpingninja]

I hope the sw support will get better in time.

[@Da_GrandiMan]

@@helpingninja U n I both, hope so.

[@natearrigoni]

Sorry to hear that. I have 2 Pimo and 1 PineBerry hats and they both work really well for Ubuntu and LibreELEC. Haven't used them for other stuff yet though. Are you using a tested and supported nvme drive they listed? The Patriot P300s work great, I think one is a P310 also.

[@Da_GrandiMan]

@@natearrigoni Thx, I was way ahead of the curve. A few more Pi Updates an after hours of tinkering, now they both work fine. Had to get a new Pimoroni board. It was defective. Thx for the reply, both have been good for months now

[@mikeiver]

Well though not reviewed by you, I have a couple of the Orange pi 5 plus boards, one 16GB and the other 32GB. I specifically chose it because it DIDN'T have built on WiFi. It does however have M.2 E key which allowed me to add an Intel AX210GNW card for WiFi6 and bluetooth. It includes a PAIR of 2.5Gb network ports as well. It has a pair of full sized HDMI ports as well as a an HDMI input. USBC/DP, 40 Pin GPIO, two USBA 2.0 and two 3.0, EMMC port, and an IR receiver. Bench marking the M.2 SSD resulted in 3000MB/sec read and 550MB/sec write from my Samsung 980Pro. Network to my NAS (1Gb network) resulted in sustained 113MB/sec read or write. 4K/60Hz is no problem, though you will need a heat sink. Overall slightly larger but holly cow is it a ripper and literally ticks all the boxes and promises to be up-gradable in the future. Considering the ease of purchase, more modern hardware, and vastly superior load out of the Orange Pi 5 Plus I can't see any reason to consider the Raspberry Pi5 unless you are attached to the form factor or your such a neophyte that you must have the RP ecosystem and support. Running a Ubuntu and with a bit of tweaking, this thing could easily replace most desktops. Great video though and I do have to agree with you on all your points.

[@helpingninja]

Thank you for the input. Honestly, I agree with you, Opi5+ is one of the greatest, if not The greatest, SBC on the market today. The rk3588 is ripped and all the things you pointed out are true. I'm just waiting to get my hands on few of those to play with them and later to build a kubernetes cluster. Opi5+ just hit the spot for me.

[@SkittleKicksPlays]

Orange Pi seems to be the future for single boards.

[@helpingninja]

At this point it would seem so.

[@jussquella8193]

I’m starting my ethnically hacking and sniffing course in a week. Leaning towards raspberry pi but orange pi is starting to win me over. Someone help 😅

[@helpingninja]

If you're beginner start with Raspberry Pi. You can always switch to Opi when you'll feel comfortable with Rpi.

[@kiodiekin]

nice video, the pi5 can add m.2 with a hatt at an additional cost

[@helpingninja]

thank you. yes that is the case. it's not official yet, but we already know that pi5 will have a m.2 hat in the future. But as with everything related to Rpi .... i don't dare to guess the timing on this.

[@bokami3445]

You over looked the fact that the Raspberry Pi has more choices for enclosures than the Orange Pi. Considering how fragile both are with out a case; RPI +1, OPI -1

[@helpingninja]

Fair point. 3D printer FTW in all cases.

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

It depends on what you want to do with it. For a Retro video game console, Orange Pi 5 wins. As a cheap desktop computer, the Orange Pi 5 wins, it has better performance. From making drones, the Raspberry Pi Zero W wins, because it doesn't consume a lot of energy. I don't see a reason to buy a Raspberry Pi 4, the performance isn't that great. The power consumption isn't as good as a Raspberry Pi Zero W which can be used as a microcontroller for drones, and remote control cars.

[@helpingninja]

Hi there, thank you. Which sbcs do you use the most? Or you do consider the best?

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

@@helpingninja I use the Orange Pi 5 the most, and I consider it to be the most capable SBC.

[@helpingninja]

👍Yep, I really like that one too :) still waiting to get my hands on the new rpi5. shipping again delayed. :-/

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

@@helpingninja I want to see Retropie for the Raspberry Pi 5.

[@helpingninja]

I soon as I get my hands on it ;-)

[@adam-xi2nc]

Anyone know why the Debian and Ubuntu November releases are in 7z format?

[@helpingninja]

Hi, I presume you mean the Orange Pi images? Well, why wouldn't they compress it? They're saving a lot of bandwith for people downloading the file. You can just uncompress it and inside you'll find the img file a sha checksum file.

[@adam-xi2nc]

@@helpingninja i was having some trouble last night unziping the file properly. I tried on raspberry pi os and a older version of debian but the file got corrupted each time. Today i tried again on windows with 7zip and win32disk and it worked out fine. I think its something to do with archiver and xarchiver.

[@helpingninja]

@@adam-xi2nc yea, could be it. I remember I had some issues with (x)archiver too in the past. Don't use it anymore...

[@adam-xi2nc]

@@helpingninja first time it happened to me. I thought it was a new flash method where I had to combine the image with the sha file lol I was wayyy off

[@shubhasri25]

Hi can you create comparison multiple version orange pi 5 , Orange pi 5 plus and orange pi 5 B

[@helpingninja]

Hi there, maybe sometimes later. Right now I'm in the process of creating series on proxmox. I'm sorry. Thanks for the input anyway! Have a great day.

[@SlatkoSlatko]

Orange Pi 5 ftw. Can't wait for my rpi5 pre order to arrive. But op5 is superior to rpi4. I run proxmox with 4 debian servers

[@helpingninja]

Hi 👋 same here man, still waiting for the Rpi5 to arrive. Delayed two times already. 🥲

[@JazzTechie]

For me, the raspberry pi 4 is better in situations where I need something that consumes less energy (like batteries). Orange pi 5 is better in situations where I need faster compute, ram, networking, and disk I/O. Those can’t be compared.

[@helpingninja]

Well if you're looking for something that consumes a little energy I would suggest using something even smaller than rpi4. Like Bpi p2 pro. Of course depending on the use-case. What do you use your sbcs for?

[@JazzTechie]

@@helpingninja- I use them in a variety of maker type projects and home-lab kind of stuff. My orange pi 5/5 plus currently make up a 9 node Kubernetes cluster used for data processing and ETL. A lot of my pi 4s can be things like camera posts, gathering sensor data, controlling things like relays, acting as the backend for robots, etc.

[@helpingninja]

@@JazzTechie love the kubernetes cluster 👍

[@abzs5811]

Why didn’t he compare r pi5 with opi5??

[@helpingninja]

At the time I was still waiting for RPi5 to arrive. Further more, Opi5 was released before Rpi5 was released.