Rating an 89% Resistance Arcane Phoenix Doomstack

[@Witch_King]

CA: We should nerf some units... Arcane Phoenix: *heavy breathing* CA: Oh, yeah, Brood Horror, come here.

[@tinhov1]

phoenixes are completely balanced, they are only chickens basically

[@jennaparkyn7034]

what did they do to nerf the brood horrors? i dont keep up with the change notes very well

[@Witch_King]

@@jennaparkyn7034 they changed their mass from 3500 to 2000 and Cellular instability now deals 600 damage to unit.

[@alvarousometon3649]

@@jennaparkyn7034 If I remember correctly they reduced it's units mass (easier to get a hold on it) and either reduced it's speed or leadership

[@jennaparkyn7034]

@@Witch_King ah so no more insta wiping armies for free haha thats a pity, was a fun doomstack to make

[@swineflu6523]

alternate title: Elven retirees relax on their mounts and watch the ducks in the park

[@JB-xl2jc]

Tossing "feed" to them in the form of earthblood

[@johnryan8040]

What's the average retirement age for elves?

[@rayclawicefire2503]

@@johnryan8040 some where between 5000 years and 6000 years

[@lylemaximiliano8756]

I guess it is pretty randomly asking but do anyone know a good website to stream newly released tv shows online ?

[@mustafamicah7094]

@Lyle Maximiliano try flixzone. Just google for it :)

[@captc0ck5lap60]

The _disgust_ in his voice when he thinks there's no life magic in the stack.

[@JB-xl2jc]

I think it was genuine confusion tinged with slight contempt

[@WuW0w0-m8m]

Lord master of hoeit

[@janburzynski9799]

Okay, so this is my campaign, and since a lot of people have been asking, I'll clarify a few things: The reason why some factions are in weird places is because I've played this campaign with a random start mod (Totally random total war generator on Steam workshop). Alarielle apeears level 813 due to a visual bug, probably leftover from some other mod (I removed all mods before sending in the save file). Also, Legend actually missed one of the important factors of this doomstack, which is Loremaster's Cloak on one of the mages, granting an aura of 22% magic resistance. It gets the phoenixes to 84% magic res, which makes them almost immune to all types of damage. This doomstack is so absurdly strong even in auto-resolve, it would actually wipe these 4 chaos armies without any casualties (altough with quite a bit of damage on the phoenixes). Funny thing is, AI never wanted to send more than 4 armies against it, no matter what I did. Thanks again Legend for rating it, I've put a lot of cheese into it :)

[@LenaMel]

That'd be because its impossible to have more than 4 armies in a battle, its why even if you attack the chaos invasion while its all bunched up you'll never fight more than 4 armies at once even though more than that are within reinforcement range.

[@jacobjulin]

probably the strongest army we've ever seen

[@janburzynski9799]

@@LenaMel Ah, I didn't know that, thanks for clarification!

[@JakubLeliel]

Naprawdę piękny, dopracowany, wręcz wypieszczony doomstack - szacuneczek. :)

[@hamishian0]

@@jacobjulin better than Pompous?

[@skipper2962]

The guy created the perfect Phoenix stack after days and days of contemplation Legend: But don't you like MONEY?

[@asterohelios5748]

this save file was either from legend himself or sent from some illegitimate son of his

[@strawman6578]

It's not that hard to be good at total war

[@michaelwittmann4898]

@@strawman6578 sycophant simps are worse than trolls!

[@changliu7346]

@@strawman6578 you do not need to be that good to play highelves on legendary

[@Tachii31]

6 mages without knowledgeable/entrepreneur? Doesn't sound like a Legend save to me.

[@cactuslietuva]

@@strawman6578 its very cheesy game to begin with

[@leonovgleb8535]

This is not a doomstack. It's an absolute ultimate stack.

[@dusty0559]

Legend: *gets shot by hellcannon* Alright, I've had enough of your bullshit. Hellcannon chaos dwarfes: *chuckles* I'm in danger

[@honorguard7616]

(Inserts the Tariff video The weridest times with chaos I think it was)

[@ckn3481]

We shall never surrender!

[@Viryu9]

Turn 159, half the world conquered, 5mln gold in reserves, considerable amount of armies and agents Legend: Yeah, he can do better

[@Miaauify]

watching HE from Legend, yeah, he could be trait farming the heroes a bit...... Maybe..... we did not really see that and there were a LOT of armies in there

[@ZarakiKenpachi9100]

That Thumbnail tho XD

[@logandaley1544]

“They have us surondeed. The poor bastards.”

[@Kuddochan]

This stack had 10/10 written all over it just looking at it before the battle even started. Pretty much unkillable

[@JB-xl2jc]

Phoenexceptional

[@jor1456]

Even Red Immortals?

[@grade14]

@@jor1456 that's not even a comparison, this army would wipe the "da immortalz" army very quickly. That army's weakness is that it requires its heroes to not die, and is therefore incapable of beating most human controlled armies (or anything that kills heroes well).

[@_GLObot]

@@grade14 it's not about whether they can beat each other, it's about how they do in the campaign.

[@johannsigursson5319]

@@_GLObot krimson killers take forever to win tho, which is a factor that deserves to be considered. The army can barely lose to the ai, but it takes a hundred years per fight and you can't auto resolve while this army if you actually use the magic you'll destroy armies in a much shorter time

[@0786RICARDO]

That is a balanced army, balanced to total perfection.

[@bificommander]

As all things should be.

[@beanhavok2287]

I haven't been this scared of FIRE CHICKENS since the 1978 Trans Am came out...... Archeon The EverChosen

[@crowx811]

you should allow yourself at least one good spellcast on a stack like this. mostly becasue seeing one spell get 53,489 kills is very fun.

[@JB-xl2jc]

Plus given the Phoenixes had 84% magic resist its clearly the intent of this army to sail them into the churn and then drop a firestorm on it.

[@crowx811]

I mean, watching the mosh pit was pretty fun. So was seeing the mountain of smouldering corpses.

[@クズはやし]

"Dragons are cool." But-but Phoenixes are cool too :(

[@vangorf3081]

Tbh these Phoenixes look like giant chickens, instead of beings of fire/ice/arcane... They could be a lot cooler imo

[@JB-xl2jc]

@@vangorf3081 hard disagree, they did a good job with the phoenixes (phoenices?) In this game. Only thing I don't like is the legs I guess. And the arcane Phoenix color scheme isn't as "clean" as the beautiful frost or fire ones, but the swirl looks cool too.

[@Hachimaro]

Technically, only Frostheart Phoenixes are cool, the other ones are hot.

[@lenkagamine4145]

@@vangorf3081 hard agree on my part. I really wanted to like phoenixes but I think the arcane phoenix looks ridiculous. Phoenixes are literally my favorite mythical creature (above dragons, unicorns are third) so you know I love them in theory, they just need to look more fire-y. The flamespyre phoenix is alright though

[@SleepyFen]

The funniest part is, the phoenixes took so little damage that a life wizard wasn't even really necessary.

[@andrewtobias4545]

It’s basically like flying treemen with even more tankiness :()

[@torquevonthorne948]

And much more speed. The only downside of treemen is that battles are slow

[@Ozzy-Mag]

Much more versatile than treemen

[@elarion2341]

22:00 pre sure that's the rain hitting the blood soaked ground/corpses mate

[@dedalo465]

This reminded me of the Runesmith doomstack, but this one has wizards.

[@sanatiohne89]

4:45 you can hear his inner skaven come out from his tone haha

[@ismailadyaman5168]

So Legend, no tactics? Legend: No. [insert skaven laugh here]. No tactics, only phoenixes. . . . . . . [another skaven laugh because he wins regardless]

[@thomvantijn9138]

I'd say it's closer to a 9.9. You could get an Extra 20 winds of magic reserve and stalk on each of the heroes if you play as Yvresse.

[@ToonLinksDair]

Very valid point.

[@JB-xl2jc]

Doesn't Teclis get Phoenix buffs? Maybe that was only in SFO.

[@johannsigursson5319]

@@JB-xl2jc dunno, but then just confederate him with yvresse

[@JB-xl2jc]

Yeah looks like in vanilla he just gets fireball and 30 WoM. Forgot how bland some of the LL traits were in Vanilla.

[@toggle3927]

When did they change the title for "the Shadow" to not be Lord's army for the +20 WoM? Otherwise no, you can't add extra wom as Yvresse with heroes.

[@colbunkmust]

Teclis is really good with a stack of phoenixes since he can case damage dealing spells that will heal the whole army with lifebloom ability for very cheap WoM cost.

[@alexeyalexandrov7583]

True, while casing he provides other great stuff - Shield of Saphery (+11% Ward safe), Kinderflame (22% fire weakness, phoenixes actually do fire damage!)

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

High elves are damn fun to play because they have soooo many options for strong armies.

[@ThePaciorr]

This is one of those "I won the game as long as I can afford this army" doomstack.

[@Freewata]

When a phoenix revives, but they have reached their previous healing capacity does the effect still give them their 50% HP or just up to their threshold of healing?

[@LegendofTotalWar]

no. if they've already healed their max then they just die

[@JB-xl2jc]

"Guess I'll just die"

[@Freewata]

@@LegendofTotalWar Thanks!!

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Finally some madlad did it.

[@xystondory1726]

Thanks for the rate my doomstack series! Helps a lot!

[@ThePereubu1710]

So, from my limited understanding of the game, this army is actually stronger than you demonstrated as, if you had used offensive magic, this battle would have been far shorter, is that correct? You used it in this way simply to test how tough the phoenixes were?

[@Joeyjoejoe1708]

Right.

[@MB-Kajtech]

Correct. You can wipe out chaos armies (melee so they glob up so it works more effectively) with just magic pretty much if you have the winds of magic reserves.

[@billbadson7598]

Yeah, especially since the enemies were 99% melee and blobbed up on the few phoenixes, both types of his casters (life and fire) could have just torn the chaos armies apart like nothing. This entire fight was like a really agile gazelle just styling on an alligator by continually jumping back and forth across the river over its head.

[@shorewall]

Even though it was a melee blob for most of it, my eyes were glued to the screen. :D This was a really fun video.

[@dan576-b9f]

It would be interesting to see how this doomstack would fair against different races, again going against 4 armies!

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

I do not like High Elves I do not like them Sam I am

[@Ashley-mw3wl]

Just getting through my first campaign victory as Hexoatl, I look forward to using this in the next one!

[@sadrien]

This is among the most powerful armies in the game. It would be excellent for fighting against other doomstacks if the AI could recruit them. Only dread-incarnate spam could really beat this... And even then it would be difficult to force a route due to the difficulty of creating leadership penalties when they will always have faster stronger bonus. It may simply be the strongest army in the game, and so well worth the 50k+ it costs at this point in the campaign (accounting for entrepreneurs). Actually given the huge post battle loot it gets and it's aggressive potential this may even be optimal over entrepreneurs for producing gold. I certainly wouldn't feel bad about recruiting it based on it's economic cost to performance ratio.

[@robin123gh]

Wew lad its big bird time

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Magic bird uses Ha! What Damage? It's super effective

[@bobussutt2428]

at 89% resist 1% more is almost 10% less damage taken, the closer you get to the cap the more value in each %. its just a shame SoT is the only extra damage resistance option, too expensive for what it is.

[@SereglothIV]

You know, I think after 15 minutes we've all seen how strong this army is, you could have send the wizards to pop some burning heads and flamestorms to speed things up ;)

[@gbereznyakov1]

Just flamestorms, burning head isnt very good againat chaos because they're very armored

[@JB-xl2jc]

@@gbereznyakov1 Besides in a big ball like this nothing beats flamestorm in the entire game for WOM-to-high-damage-long-lasting-vortex ratio

[@IIIJG52]

Dont forget that if you cast some fire magic with the kindleflame passive the phoenixes also do more damage. With that much reserve it would easily be possible to do that and keep them topped up.

[@reefta]

i think it would be good idea to also talk what the doomstack in question wont be fairing well against, many times you get a stack with the perfect army for it to beat the living shit out of

[@vindik8or]

All I can think of that could get some serious damage on them would be a rattling/jezzails stack or a sisters of avelorn stack. And I really don't see the AI spam those very much.

[@reefta]

@@vindik8or well saying in general, i saw doomstacks that would crumble before some late game ai armies

[@chrisidudelsack]

@@vindik8or i dont think sisters of averlorn would work because they do magic and fire damage and arcane phoenixes have 70% fire resistance

[@madpig7120]

The High elves have more doomstack that all the other races at the same time

[@damienbazin9940]

I love it that some high elves have my name

[@shrarneomar8080]

"dis is fire" - Grimgor

[@aayushpurswani9630]

when its high elves u know its gonna be good .

[@dennoplit]

Best thing about this stack? The mages have the same sprite

[@toxicwarpig]

this man finds a way to criqute any build

[@ivanvoloder8114]

Legend is basically Warhammer Wikipedia. Can't belive all the knowledge he has for each unit.

[@Leo-hu4xo]

28:20 "8...7...where is my hand ?"

[@NeonNexusMatrix]

I legitimately didn't know you can take out Hellcannons like that, nice!

[@charlieawerbuch5352]

I usually put two normal phoenixes in these stacks, to do drive-bys while the arcanes sit in melee. Ends up doing a fair amount of damage and speeds things up a bit.

[@turinnturambar]

I would prefer a Handmaiden. Because of that -%22 fire resistants

[@xniftyyx]

this is probably best as Yvresse where you won't need money spam wizards as much if you use his economy cheese and you can get "the shadow" on all the heroes to add +20 winds each

[@JustSome462]

Heroes with "The Shadow" don't add extra WoM because it's a "Lord's Army" trait

[@xniftyyx]

@@JustSome462 yeah and i thought they stacked onto the lord so at the start of the battle you get a huge Reserve boost?

[@dimapetrov2367]

I would give this 11 out of 10 for power level LOL - this is the shit.

[@erfanghiasvand1281]

You should make on of those classic top 5 videos on high Elf Doomstacks !

[@Ereinion25]

Top 5 High Elves Doomstacks seems like a fun one given how many options there are.

[@pzatotalwar]

What an army, such a shame CA has nerfed the traits for lords and heroes in warhammer3

[@mioxcio]

Well, can we assume that it is just the strongest doomstack ?

[@aaron9777]

High elves are the spoiled single child of Warhammer.

[@bpruett1225]

High Elves just have sooo many doomstacks its ridiculous.

[@zac8286]

Ffs its the dam phoenix screaming and not someone outside, all is well

[@Olav_Hansen]

Teclic gets insanely cheap magic and insane magic regen so yes imo it would be a good idea.

[@smittywerbenjaggermanjense5520]

Did he got 60k loot from that auto resolve? Nice video anyway👍🏼

[@Miaauify]

I think Warriors (Warriors? hmmm Trainees?) of Choas were a fairly good test for this, melee against melee. Yes, the gunners and Sisters and so on may do a bit more damage, but at least this army fought toe to toe, not Sisters against Choas, for example.

[@chrisramsay8795]

can also reduce upkeep by taking the mages off their dragons as well maybe...

[@Meatbrawl]

Great doomstack Vectee/Vecteek for sure

[@Dopedupster]

10:04 Skaven lord can't help himself

[@Dopedupster]

And yes I know he meant the spell but sounded very Skaven saying it

[@Anders_0]

I have the same idea for the doomstack, but I wasn`t planning to put that many wizards. I also was planning to put Alarielle and I played as Yvresse

[@sadpandah7597]

22:48 that's me trying anything in life

[@TheMrYadrian]

MonsterAbound's worst nightmare has come as doomstack XD

[@pascaldifolco4611]

It's not a battle, it's a slaughter !!

[@jesseshaffer9234]

Crap-bad. Yes-yes? They will bow-bow to my paw.

[@riggze]

High elves so good and I don’t want a nerf

[@theone-tg4ey]

😎🌞❤️ iconic , love the roster.

[@patman6012]

This DOOMSTACK is like the AK-47, resistant to morons XDDDD

[@azureprophet]

The Mulchbirds

[@damythicalpanda9190]

You got nearly a perfect sham shield

[@Erika_Redmark]

Guessing 10/10 from the title

[@AsianDawg46]

Throw them at the enemy, pop off for lunch, come back to arcane fire scorched hell-scape.

[@martinbartos2275]

ah good old times when my wizards were making millions by just sitting in the quintex province. Nowadays I am glad I can make that province to make me 100k (they rly had to ruin everything)

[@CTME23]

My Imrik sisters of avelorn armies were getting eaten alive by skaven weapons teams spams. Dragons weren't a great solution...this would've been good

[@TheMillerMilitia]

Immortal super elves should be the best imo. That's why I just accept their spot as tier S in game and on table top.

[@Mefungpoo]

I don't know if I'll get a response here, but I'm curious to what your system specs are Legend l, as well as what you run for graphics settings.

[@QuantumRockAndRoll]

This is the strongest doomstack so far!

[@Shadowmants]

Trying to recreate this stack for fun. Wasn't familiar with this flammable trait. Can any mage get it or is it limited to fire mages?

[@PainHarbinger]

Erm... 29:30 How are the Empire Secessionists still around at turn 158?

[@lordmaur180]

That is deff a 10/10 i will have nightmares tryng to figure out what could kill that doomstack

[@gbereznyakov1]

Are you considering only ai stacks, if not, then pompous skink priests would beat this army

[@lordmaur180]

@@gbereznyakov1 i still think some campaing traits should give Reduced results, like 2 of the same should give only 80% of the effect, 3 arround 70% and so on, because stacking them makes this armyes so damn powerfull and it is kind of cheezy, same with the entrepenur trait for high elfs

[@Serfdomftw]

So when are you going to do a Doomstack tourny series, where you test doomstacks against each other. I wanna see if Phoenix beat Lizardmen.

[@nirong9556]

Love those thumbnails omg ♥️♥️♥️

[@arcadius2569]

Now if only pheonix were mounts.

[@ac4185]

Finally a doomstack I can do.

[@Tritamus]

This would be my ideal doomstack but I'm afraid by the time I start a high elf campaign this setup would get nerfed into oblivion just like the trollhammer torpedoes.

[@BlueKookie888]

I haven't realised that beating Sarthorael gives you 60k gold the whole time... Not that i need that money when the warp chicken arrive tho.

[@dfitz5835]

6 fire wizards and you have fight with the pigeons to keep your winds up. I would totally mess up an use burning head... 6 times in a row...

[@Iceman-135]

Notification squad singing in

[@ftayl5]

This was impressive.

[@Ishanusharma]

32:08 813 ? 813 !!

[@Joyexer]

What the... Is it cheese, a display bug or a cheat??

[@janburzynski9799]

I'm guessing it's a bug leftover from one of the mods, I just removed them before sending in the save file

[@francoisdefouchecour2597]

I don't understand how you get the 89% resistance ... I get the 52% ward save part, but how do you get 37% physical resistance ?

[@omarnashat3297]

They normally get 15% there is a tech for 5 so that's 20 a lord skill in the red line called heart of the flame i think gives another 5 so thats 25 and one of the characters have diamond guardian phoneix that gives 12% mapwide buff so that's the 37%

[@francoisdefouchecour2597]

@@omarnashat3297 Thank you Omar

[@talonmarshal]

Let gym toe to the wall here

[@EnragedTurkey]

Perhaps a variant of this stack could be Teclis on a phoenix instead of one of the phoenix's for a bit of extra magic/power

[@MrFatbard]

massive fire resist units that tank forever with fire wizards im sold :)