Reacting to The King of Kong (feat. Karl Jobst)

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[@EZScapeSpeedruns]

Sorry about sub alerts playing over Karl talking for 2 points in the video. Usually I have alerts on a separate audio track, but they ended up being on the same one as Karl's and I wasn't able to disable them midstream with how I had things set up. Also Karl lives in Australia so he wasn't perfectly synced at times, but my editor has made adjustments to account for it.

[@choroloco7031]

Dont worry ez

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

Is there a VOD of the whole stream? I couldn't find anything on Twitch or KZbin.

[@EZScapeSpeedruns]

@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 no, this is the only way the archive can exist while staying under fair use. Tbh you don't miss much by watching this, I would just watch the entire documentary.

[@nogoat]

Oh Wow. I never knew Karl was an Australian.

[@sammaloney7280]

This content is so much better than when you are dogging on Apollo legend!

[@zorintoto1167]

Getting sued - Any% speedrun

[@jja3347]

NEW WR 0:00:00

[@comfyasf]

Top shelf comment lmao

[@abdelhassan5426]

Well he's pretty slow even at that.

[@kutulukutu]

Thank you for this 😂

[@mattmckee7498]

lmfao 10/10 best underrated comment

[@endymallorn]

I feel like this needs to be said though, in reference to the comment about, "oh, 6 hours on Zelda is isn't good anymore" - this only applies to speedrunning, and it only applies to specific top-tier play. Never be discouraged because of how long it takes you to beat a game, or how many tries, or anything. Games are about having fun. If your fun is in speedrunning or high scores, then go for it and do your best. But don't be discouraged by what other people do - they'd be there to cheer you on the whole way as long as you're having a good time.

[@PointsofData]

Randomized runs for Ocarina regularly run 6 or so hours, while Twilight Princess low% is in the double digits. Definitely depends on the category, and of course your level of play. No ones gonna bite your head off for not reaching top 10 your first play through.

[@blitzbolzen6798]

I agree to an extent, if you are going for high scores or speed runs it is a competition so if the WR is 3.5 hours and you are getting 6.2 hours then that’s not good compared to what everyone else is doing Now if you are just playing for fun or “Casual” than your time doesn’t matter at all

[@casedistorted]

I love that Summoning Salt was in the chat.

[@utubepunk]

Ironically, this was the beginning of the end.

[@vcorkleth]

It's so fascinating watching King of Kong after everything we know about Billy Mitchell has been revealed and key moments in the documentary that are recontexualized with that knowledge. Billy just comes across as such an oblivious coward and while documentaries uses editing tricks, the producers are adamant that Billy Mitchell was an even bigger asshole that they had to edit around to make him more likeable. Otherwise, King of Kong would have been a darker film.

[@CodeMarbles]

this was a fun stream to watch. never forget the random takedown

[@StevieViscuso]

I've been looking at the timeline, what was being said, and listening to interviews Steve Wiebe did last year, and I am really uncomfortable about something. When King of Kong came out, Walter Day publishes on the Twin Galaxies site "The Significance of Tim Sczerby's DK Record" where he points out that the film had portrayed Billy Mitchell as someone who couldn't handle his record being beaten, when in fact it had already been beaten for some years and he didn't seem bothered. That all makes sense until you find a post from 2007 from Tim Sczerby where Tim suggests he does not believe it is possible to get a million, and won't until he sees it in person. I'm sure when Billy made his high score in 1982 he used all of his tricks and techniques, and with Donkey Kong having a maximum number of levels, that for the few points he remembers losing, he was probably as close to the highest theoretical score. When Tim Sczerby turns up nearly 18 years later to claim a higher score and it's only an improvement of 4,900, that was only going to reinforce the idea that there are not many more points to be gained. Billy doesn't appear to be that worried about Tim's score, but when Steve sends in the Double Donkey Kong tape, that's a jump of 68,000. I don't have any doubt that when Tim heard the record had gone by that much, he wanted to know how. To quote the Tim Sczerby post: "From what I understand, both Billy and Steve only play behind closed doors with no first hand witnesses and submit only video tapes of these games. Not one of these players has so much as even offered a single game playing tip like I did... and plenty of people "HAVE" seen me play in first had (sic). If a technique does exist for a higher score, these people sure as hell are not going to let me know....they don't want the competition." It's true Steve was a garage played, but he is sending his videos to Twin Galaxies, and that means there is a genuine conflict of interest if Billy is able to see what Tim cannot. According to Robert Mruczek in the year after the Double Donkey Kong record, Billie submitted a tape to him where he scores 1,014,000 but it was never formally submitted to Twin Galaxies so it wasn't recognised. (Who hasn't sent a video to the chief referee of them beating a word record for the hell of it?) and even if it it was true, he didn't cheat, MAME or not, how does Billy suddenly find nearly 140,000 points. Billy then gets the public 933,900 that same year. The clear conflict of interest in the relationship between Billy and Twin Galaxies is just not something which should have been ignored. In an interview Jul 13, 2020, Steve Wiebe said that when he submitted the million point tape, there had been the suggestion that Billie Mitchell had also submitted a tape to Twin Galaxies shortly afterwards, and that the plan was to say they had simultaneous scores, and it's only after he began to protest that he got his in first that they appeared at his house. Memory issues aside, that means, assuming Steve Wiebe's technique had been appropriated by Billy, there could have been an alternative reality where Billy does not have the relationship with Twin Galaxies, there is no second tape, no visit, and Billy is left in the same position as Tim: Wondering how this is possible. This would mean there was no film, no increase in interest on the Donkey Kong high score, and Steve is Steve's only competition for many years. I mean, it could all be innocent suddenly decided to reclaim the record several years after it was beaten knowing how to get more points than Tim thought possible, but to be honest, this is why conflicts of interest are avoided.

[@marymcmanus1877]

Tim was able to score in the mid 900k range in 2004/05. Tim was able to break 1 million by the time the film was released. Tim scored a verifiable and complete video of a 1,024,000 performance about a year after the films release. Higher than Steve's first million. Tim was kept in the dark and not even notified about the film until the day it opened despite being the actual 1982 arcade record breaker and record holder during the time contemporary events were depicted in the so-called "documentary" film. Steve had connections with the film makers and colluded With TG to cover up Tims initial score so as to re-write the history to benifit only a few select insiders both in terms of PR and money. Steve was in on it as he knew he was getting paid so he was highly incentivized.

[@carlosjavierpalacios6793]

"He has great hands, he is basically a NBA player"

[@alexriesenbeck]

This is excellent. Karl, you speak the truth and also make me laugh

[@Warmountian]

Props to that random student for her invader zim shirt

[@boxcarjoethemagicobo]

Robert looks like Robert California from the office

[@Bound4Earth]

The absolute best part about this documentary is near the end, he walks past Wiebe and tries to sound like a prophet. Instead he insulted himself and admitted that he knows he wasn't good enough. He knows deep down he is a fraud, that is why he tries to hard to prove it wrong and relive his glory days. Video games are meant to be played in a competitive environment, under pressure, organized, where you have to perform, literally on demand. And when you do that, you have far more credibility then someone who says "oh I did that last week. No matter how good you play Tennis, no matter how good you play golf, If you don't play when you have to play, if you don't play when the pressure is on, you're really not good enough. - Billy Mitchell

[@thecianinator]

When I saw King of Kong I thought Billy Mitchell was playing a villain on purpose, like the whole thing was contrived and cute. Then I heard that the filmmakers really struggled in the edit to make Billy Mitchell come off as _less_ of a bad guy, and I was only confused. Surely that would mean Billy Mitchell in real life approached cartoon character levels of being a dumb asshole, but how could a real human being be that much of a dumb asshole? Lo and behold, we have the current legal situation making an asshole out of my younger, naive self for having such an unrealistic amount of faith in humanity.

[@BeowulfNorther]

Aw don't lose faith in humanity just because one guy is a complete egomaniacal douchebag, people like that love the spotlight and ekeing out any semblance of power in their world, so theyre more visible, but aren't representative of most people, or even most gamers It isn't like 80% of priests molesting kids making their entire group a joke It's a handful of assholes among a bunch of really genuinely chill people

[@Mister_Clean]

The dude just has that villain physiognomy

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Haha i just realized how similar he is to Tommy Tallarico..but the latter is way more successful at lying and self aggrandizing/clout stealing/inventing his achievements/buying and inventing Guiness records/etc haha, Billy cheated ONE thing decades ago, vs ingenting new huge things each year hahaha, it wasn't until the Hbomberguy video just now that i realized the extent of his bullshit

[@EricHeidenAuthor]

I thought the same thing when I first watched the movie.

[@toasty862]

Understanding that narcissists exist can really change a person. They truly are the dumbest f.ckheads alive. So dumb that they think they're smarter than everybody else.

[@tomatoanus]

ugh god the todd rogers cameos get me going 😫 hes jsut so UGHHGH like and his gaming skills just 😍 how did you two not get all hot and bothered every time we were graced with todd 💦

[@EZScapeSpeedruns]

You can’t see me from the waist down, but😳

[@Hummeldon]

19:42 😍

[@TheDarkfighter101]

I love this community

[@Tootbook]

Hes the Ron Jeremey of gaming, in every regard

[@moosecannibal8224]

@@EZScapeSpeedruns I love this

[@subliminallime4321]

The weirdest thing about how Billy acts towards Wiebe is that there are maybe 100 people in the world who care enough about Donkey Kong to actually compete for high scores & if you're one of them you instantly have something in common with those 100 people... why wouldn't you be friendly with all of them?

[@spearfisherman308]

Money of course.

[@Tonjit41]

Making friends comes after emotional growth. Emotional growth that won't happen because he's an adult and no one cares enough about him to help him out of his hell.

[@officialFredDurstfanclub]

Ego, money and image. Billy saw Steve as a credible threat to his brand and that pissed him off. He came absolutely out of nowhere and started kicking ass at the game and Billy panicked because this ‘Video Game Player of the Century’ persona was suddenly being threatened by some engineer dude who didn’t have the history with the scene like he did. When you’re on the top for so long and people start to worship you, having someone challenge that spotlight and be a genuine credible threat makes you turn sour instantly. There’s also the fact that the other competitive players present were willing to suck up to Billy and act as his lackies and that really just paints the entire scene as having this cult like atmosphere with Billy on top

[@SteefPip]

Narcissism.

[@jmp01a24]

@@officialFredDurstfanclub i would be very careful passing judgements on anyones character after watching an edited movies. Its disguised as a documentary, like the Office. They edited it to fit a narrative, with the good guy Vs the bad. The title reveals as much. You don't think Star Wars was real, right? 😄

[@THEFRISKIESTDINGO]

Walter always looks like a scared junkie who assaulted a Foot Locker employee.

[@jasonwalker4003]

you right

[@DeWitherWarrior]

Its so funny 🤣🤣

[@moonbot7613]

Lmao 😂

[@sladedarius-teksetgaming6089]

I actually laughed outloud

[@deadsi]

The scene in the car made me think homeless crackhead

[@Hummeldon]

I see this video as kind of like those DVD extras they’d put with movies.

[@spongeman7473]

yeah

[@MrGoofyGooberson]

“He was a basketball”

[@LifeWKai]

"I'm a tire"

[@SearinoxNavras]

He was a flying testicle.

[@Licmebalzutube]

I think she meant to say " He was on Bas kit balls" as in Bas (kit) Rutten's nuts Edit: I know this is a terrible comment but I was determined to some how talk shit about him and man balls using that word and I couldn't come up with anything better smh. No Bas Rutten's middle name is not actually kit. This post is so bad it may actually be able to make a top 10 list of worst comments ever in which case it may be so bad it's good in away. I dont know I'm just digging a deeper hole here. I'm going to quit now

[@gameofpwns1165]

​@@Licmebalzutube The most outrageous stretch for a ghost of a joke I've ever witnessed. Kind of impressive lol

[@Licmebalzutube]

@@gameofpwns1165 yeah it quickly and completely went off the rails

[@TheForeverRanger]

To this day I am surprised Billy hasn't sued Adam Sandler for Pixel considering Peter Dinklage's character is an exact copy of him right down to the cheating.

[@viktorreznov6747]

He know he cant sue a media like hollywood

[@BeersAndBeatsPDX]

Billy punches down and sues people he thinks won't fight back.

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

Billy Mitchell Eddie Pixel ...lol

[@possumlodge5368]

I think losing his case with the regular show would have gave him pause.

[@erimgard3128]

@@viktorreznov6747 He sued over Regular Show doing the same thing lol

[@drew8235]

I wouldn't say that the producers went out of their way to make Billy unlikeable, I think it's more of just that they did the best they could with what they had. Billy is already unlikeable, he doesn't need any help from editing.

[@maxxdahl6062]

From what I hear they actually tried to edit it to make him look BETTER. He was just THAT shitty of a guy. lol

[@Clay3613]

@@maxxdahl6062 Billy is apparently less dickish when not focused on gaming or being filmed.

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@Clay3613 nah I'd say with all of the suing he's doing, he's pretty dickish.

[@cornpop5898]

"I play Donkey Kong professionally. I'm probably the greatest human being who ever lived."

[@jamiekahlilestillero2119]

Billy Mitchell - His whole LIFE

[@F__D__R__]

Corn pop, are you baaad dude sleepy joe was talking about?

[@EricHeidenAuthor]

I could picture this being a line in "Napoleon Dynamite."

[@a_little_flame589]

and i'm the greatest species to ever live don't ask if i'm human

[@Clay3613]

@@jamiekahlilestillero2119 Well he owns some successful restaurants.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

Inb4 you both get sued

[@EZScapeSpeedruns]

Pog

[@andrewzhang8512]

@@EZScapeSpeedruns pog indeed

[@cyanideA]

@@EZScapeSpeedruns pog

[@Tootbook]

Karl already did lol

[@AndrewJW]

Lol too late

[@PastellaUwU]

The effort that went into editing this just to make the sync issues slightly better is actually impressive

[@Hummeldon]

That really means a lot! Thank you for saying this :)

[@ShanePHallam]

@@Hummeldon Applause to you! This video was amazingly edited

[@siphillis]

Karl's point about the value of being a good person superseding having great abilities is something the documentary ironically comments on. Years later, neither of these guys hold a candle to the best Donkey Kong players today, yet how Steve conducted himself as a player has kept him alive and relevant while Billy has come to be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

[@bigsaft8100]

We all knew that billy Mitchell’s world record wasn’t legit when it wasn’t specified wether or not he was eating a pizza and drinking a Coke whilst doing it

[@gpdoes]

Right? Let's go!!!!!

[@wjshood]

The super casual way Summoning Salt dropped that he was WR contender in Mike Tyson, was the humblest flex ever. He just casually said it like he was talking about someone else.

[@bltvd]

Salt is the man!

[@eddiemate]

Honestly it’s always really cool when documentary videos like that just start talking about themselves. Another example is the Lowest Percent channel and their Legend of Zelda video about the glitch that lets speedrunners time travel. Super cool to see that happen.

[@2010RSHACKS]

hes not in this vid?

[@Pedun42]

@@2010RSHACKS he makes a comment in chat

[@weepingscorpion8739]

Here's to hoping that Summoning Salt will reupload or at least remake his Donkey Kong video. That was a really great video.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

"His talent is in his hands." I'll take Steve's wife's word on that.

[@iain2080]

He is a basketball

[@Clay3613]

Coin Slot.

[@jmp01a24]

@@Clay3613 Did you just refer to his wife's "coin slot"?

[@SteefPip]

Magic fingers

[@LateNightTableCo]

For real, she’s a gem. Seeing them together and knowing how much she (probably) sacrificed so Steve could finally come out on top of SOMETHING speaks volumes to how much they love each other.

[@24tommyst]

Walter is what I call "the happy snake" persona type. They are the most devious and pernicious types. Douchebags are much better, as they're easier to spot.

[@davidinvenio3094]

+1 for using the word pernicious correctly in a sentence!

[@maxxdahl6062]

Patting you on the back at the same time as he's sticking the knife in.

[@tamarinds]

​@@maxxdahl6062stealing your wallet and then helping you look for it

[@kevingembel5767]

⁠@@maxxdahl6062the Pat on the back is to search for the soft spot to insert the knife

[@shoomesh]

27:48: that little girl has the look of someone who, A, knows exactly what she's saying, and B, is genuinely curious if the person listening to her understands what she's saying.

[@watertrooper]

This part of the video was awesome!

[@LateNightTableCo]

His daughter was really quick witted from the couple clips of her talking to Steve. I could see her doing stand up if she’s still like that

[@patrickboner]

Why didn't they make "mine of craft: a handfull of blocks featuring dream" or was he not good enough at cheating?

[@theleftfootedsultan]

Ouch

[@1M4C1999]

just give it some time, im sure pre-production will be wrapping up soon, trailer coming in February

[@fuwu9904]

Don't forget Dream got caught cheating

[@fuwu9904]

@mueett What do you even mean with that?

[@thatoneguy9582]

Working on it

[@markfuston2714]

Karl brings up such a good point at 33:23..I mean, I don't watch speedrunners or gamers in general because they're "the best" or whatever..I watch them because they are fun people to watch, if someone comes across as a jerk why watch them, I'd rather watch a content creator that makes me smile and have a good time. They could be the worst in the world at a game, but if they bring entertainment those skills don't matter.

[@squirrel_killer-]

I think there is another side to this that only exists at the high end of play. When I say high end I mean the three primary competitive scenes (speed, PvP, and Score) or simply seeking to hone your skills for challenge runs or to achieve a degree of mastery for its own sake. If you're a score runner or a speed runner you want to watch the best players. Regardless of their entertainment value, to see how to get better. Same for challenge runs where you look for new techniques. If you just want to get properly good at a game you need to watch and dissect the game play of better players, and unless we're entering into glitching a game to all hell and breaking it over your knee through exploits, you need to also find people whose play style is close enough to your own to learn from, it is very difficult to learn from the play style of someone who plays fundamentally different than you, except how to counter it. This results in sometimes having to watch some really toxic people for studying purposes just because you share a play style. I tend to use what I call a "parrying mentality" in my play, which means I often need to watch players who excel in defensive play and in finding and exploiting weak points. So if the players who have those play styles and are at a level high enough I can learn from them are kinda shitty people, I need to suffer through whatever their personality is like to see their game play to learn, like wise I might have to pass up on watching someone more pleasant because their play style just isn't compatible with mine for learning purposes. Though you could always learn to have multiple styles to use. Now if you aren't studying the game play of multiple players across multiple sessions to learn from them and how they adapt to situations, there is the chance you are just watching someone because they are the best, in which case you can get away with simply watching their best runs. For example I don't personally like EnNopp112, but he holds the WR in a category in a game I care about currently so I will watch his run. Then pretend he doesn't exist until he sets a new WR.

[@atomiccritter6492]

I disagree - I think people watch runs to see mistakes and how the runner reacts to their mistakes to do some amazing saves. Some of the most interesting runs are messed up af...I think its little to do with personality at all

[@mushyroom9569]

He may have a point, but it’s also incredibly dickish to fly in with your big KZbin following and lord over people who work hard on their speedrunning skills. Thought Karl was better than that.

[@toumabyakuya]

@@mushyroom9569 Uh, what are you talking about? He doesn't do that. In all his videos (when he's talking about cheaters) he explains how they were caught and how they cheated. He never lords over anybody (if you wanna say otherwise, bring examples). Heck, he even has videos were he gushes about new records made on a game or were he explains the evolution of a game's WR.

[@mushyroom9569]

@@toumabyakuya I was talking about the Twitch thing.

[@oncewasanimal1818]

got here in 5.51 sec

[@theleftfootedsultan]

Put KZbin notifications in second gear to start

[@AlexisLMAO]

Did you consider the human element?

[@nickcarroll8565]

Definitely know how to shift!

[@stepheng8061]

Karl I was shocked when I made the connection that you were the same Karl jobst from gamefaq in the early 2000s

[@tanakanaoshi4769]

Damn, I didn't use the forums until like 2002 or 2003 or something but never paid attention to speed running 64games much

[@RetrofIex]

The old goldeneye forums on gamefaq?

[@NinjaOfLU]

I love Karl being SO knowledgeable on this. I mean, I can see why he'd know a lot about the Billy Mitchell stuff, but it's still really funny to hear!

[@jmp01a24]

He is a kid... that THINKS he knows everything, while the fact is he is a noob, a racist homofob that has been kicked out of the speedrunner community. Also he profits of the suicide of Apollo the LEGENDS. Yeah a real hero, if you cheer for a toilet person.

[@thegothcatgirl]

drinking game: take a shot for every comment you see here that's a joke about this raising the potential to get sued by billy mitchell

[@theleftfootedsultan]

You probably won’t live

[@ice6978]

@@theleftfootedsultan Probably?

[@Dragonrealms245]

@@ice6978 gotta leave room for the people that have Iron livers like Zun

[@mimipeahes5848]

@@ice6978 Hey it might be a 1:7.5 Trillion chance but it’s still possible :^)

[@bigrexy]

Or every Todd cameo

[@rebeccaconlon9743]

To quote some lanister "A man who calls himself King, is no King at all"

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

If you are going to live your life based on a lie, why not make the lie something cool? Why Donkey Kong high scores?

[@zeelyweely1590]

@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 My best guess is because it's something big enough for you to still get big off of, but small enough to be able to easily bribe your way to the top and not be caught (like he did for a long time).

[@aosutaa9962]

Since he's also the one to beat pacman. Most people wouldnt doubt the wr

[@southofheck]

@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 for real. The hill he wants to die on is numbers in a video game. Like not to downplay people who professionally play games, but he’s not exactly a rocket scientist.

[@lemonybiscuits4824]

Unless it is his surname. Buy a man who calls himself Sir... Hmm..

[@jawibae]

Hello, you absolute ladies and gentlemen.

[@theleftfootedsultan]

He WAS a basketball

[@DeWitherWarrior]

Then he turned himself into a cheater, funniest sh*t i've ever seen

[@Clay3613]

@@DeWitherWarrior What? Steve Wiebe didn't cheat you dope.

[@rancid83]

Brian Kuh seems like a guy who believes Todd Rogers' records are legit "because Todd said they were"

[@QB2011]

I love the chat at 32:38 "will I get sued for trash talking his tie?"

[@QB2011]

Hopefully I don't get sued for commenting this.

[@DeWitherWarrior]

This comments are killing me🤣🤣

[@davidinvenio3094]

Never seen a dude stroke his tie so lovingly like B.M does. Someone needs to bring a tiny spray bottle of luminol and highlight the love on one of them ties!

[@fatfr0g570]

@@davidinvenio3094 Bro, if you have luminol light up from "love", you need to go to the hospital. There should not be blood in that or anything coming out of that area. Believe you were thinking about putting an ultraviolet light to it, as "love" will luminesce when exposed to it.

[@rars0n]

I love Karl and his videos, the dude is so genuine and on-point with his details. He's pointed out so many things with speedrunning fakes (not to mention, great legitimate speedruns). I'm not an avid speedrunning fan, I don't participate at all and I only occasionally watch videos. But it's guys like him that keep me interested enough to join in watching a GDQ or something similar. I love the game glitches and strategies behind it all. Karl does a great job of making great videos about all that stuff.

[@theleftfootedsultan]

I know it’s been asked a ton already, but what are the odds you get sued for this? Karl already is, so he can do pretty much whatever he wants.

[@EZScapeSpeedruns]

Karl has not been officially served a lawsuit

[@theleftfootedsultan]

I didn’t know that. Thanks

[@shred_zed1]

@@theleftfootedsultan Quick update if you didn't know. Billy is not in any position to try and serve any lawsuits. Billy himself has now been sued by Twin Galaxies for all the of this. Finally someone bigger than Billy has taken a stand and Billy cant compete. He will back down and he will finally fade into obscurity.

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

When you are being sued it's worse to talk about him than if you're not being sued since you might be giving them evidence of your malice and other things. So it's not like you don't care if you're involved in a lawsuit.

[@mjc0961]

5:00 - That guy must have felt really stupid when he learned about Tool Assisted Speedruns

[@alexstone1074]

That guys the guy that got a rods 3000 hit, look it up.

[@JeanMarceaux]

We need Todd assisted speedruns

[@neilbornstein5940]

"At the end of the day, people just want [to be told that they're absolute legends.]"

[@MahDryBread]

That was really interesting, you guys added a lot!

[@TheResidence.mp4]

Oh hey, fancy seeing you here. Keep up the good content

[@therabiddonkeynipple612]

I've been seeing you on a few comments sections lately, and I fan girl every time lol. Hi! 😁

[@LazySmurf]

Would you say this video is transformative in nature? Asking for a Billy.

[@mooseot]

I remember watching this film before I knew anything about Billy, speedrunning, or video games in general really, and still thinking he came off as an incredible douche. I also feel like I may get sued for this comment.

[@acidphaze]

*Billy Mitchell Enters The Chat*

[@blake343]

"They're really portraying him as an asshole, huh? If only he didn't say things that assholes say"

[@QB2011]

This freaking rocked. I remember watching the documentary when it came out. Nice to have some more context to what was actually going on behind the scenes.

[@arealgoblin]

da roach dogg jr!!!

[@andyn46]

13:32 I like how they just had Billy Mitchell go into a grocery store and pretend like he himself is the one who stocks all his hot sauce

[@medes5597]

Billy explains that he drives to all local stores every week to make sure his hot sauce is correctly displayed (which isn't uncommon for people with local products, as insane as Billy is) making sure the display is tidy, pulled forward, etc. If you look he's not stocking anything. He's just rearranging the shelf to be more aesthetically pleasing for customers.

[@toasty862]

@@medes5597 what a t0sser lol

[@sarinabina5487]

5:09: "Billy Mitchell looks like a 4 year old tried to draw Keanu Reeves" LMAO

[@drobinson-uo7ic]

I like when they laugh about Billy hoping the documentary was going to portray him in a heroic light and portray Steve Wiebe as the villain 😂

[@789syrus789]

When I first heard about Billy Mitchel I thought he sounded amazing...until I watched King of Kong. Even though it the documentary made it look like Billy was the bad guy, honestly, they didn’t really have to try at all how much of an asshat he was. Years later I found out his score that topped Petes was a lie, and it was the vhs recording that got him from the documentary. JUSTICE

[@medes5597]

The people who made the documentary said they actually struggled making Billy look like less of a villain because people wouldn't believe how much of an actual villain he was. The film went through six months of various Billy Mitchell edits and reshoots (a lot of the stuff in Billy's hometown, with the sauce and Q*Bert machine was post shooting reshoots) to try and make him look better. It was apparently super difficult to make Billy look like a remotely likeable person. The director talked about how hard it was.

[@kevinvanderpoole293]

nothing gives you street cred like unknown criminals speaking from inside their prison cell... now that is truly street cred!!!

[@t6727]

Interestingly enough Steve Wiebe was my geometry teacher

[@SkulShurtugalTCG]

Did you enjoy having him?

[@mwk92]

Oh my god same! But he was my AP Calculus AB teacher (two years ago) he has the King of Kong poster in his room, he was dope

[@SuperLlama42]

Y'all laugh, but it's pretty impressive that a basketball was able to run such a massive long con.

[@joca3885]

Former basketball

[@Bollibompa]

Yeah, wearing clothes, having a wife, having hair and teeth... It's insane dedication.

[@mynamejeff4883]

To me it came across like for Steve they would not accept anything that he did unless there was no way to avoid it and even made him fly half way across the country to play at their place, on their machine, under a time limit, in order to not just dismiss it immediately, but Billy wouldn't even bother to show up at his local spot to play live. He just came to gloat because he knew that he was allowed to just drop a tape that he had all the time in the world to do with nobody around, and that we now know was rigged anyway, and nobody was going to do anything but accept it at the time.

[@SPEXWISE]

13:45 I notice customers are buying more Tabasco than Billy's Sauce.

[@kutulukutu]

I seent a comment on a video once that read, "Billy Mitchell is just mad because he looks like a really tall midget." This is wisdom that I share with you.

[@johnathanvarga8883]

He's Peter Dinklage but taller.

[@AaAaAaA-ni6es]

Can’t unsee it now

[@drew8235]

There's one rule in speedrunning: don't ever claim you're the best and that no one can beat you. Then the only world record you'll have is for fastest time having multiple other people pass you on the leaderboards.

[@vaiyt]

Summoning Salt and Karl Jobst have documented multiple instances of that lol

[@limehawk4989]

The first rule should be the comment on your wr HAS to be "good luck beating this". This is to encourage more competition

[@KopperNeoman]

Unless you want people to beat you. Or you genuinely are the first to get a perfect game.

[@Johnnypaycheck77]

Steves wife is a ride or die and steve is a great guy seems very humble.

[@beavis8167]

If you ever watched Happy Gilmore and you remember the guy Shooter McGavin. Well Billy Mitchell he's the shooter McGavin of gaming. That's his nickname now Shooter McGavin

[@TheKilgoth]

Watching this documentary when I did I really felt bad for Steve. All he wanted to do was to beat a record, not knowing the bullshit he got himself into with all the other people. Holy shit.

[@LateNightTableCo]

Twin Galaxies basically hazed Steve. The whole situation of Billy making outrageous demands and Walter enforcing them gives me the same vibes of hazing shit fraternities, etc do, especially when they themselves haven’t gone through it

[@canadianswine4696]

The guy in the referee suit reminds me of an evil pipe smoking gnome.

[@raviamodernepic]

Totally agree with Karl. I learned about speed running in 2015 and the past few years have been wild. I can't imagine what the past decade has been for actual runners.

[@atomiccritter6492]

thats largely due to the internet and streaming

[@potatosordfighter666]

A decade ago I speedran Portal. My best time ever was a 13th place, and now that same time is around 380th. I find it so funny that Silly Bitchell would think that "no one has even gotten close" to him when people were already ahead of him, and that was before people *REALLY* understood how to break games down to run them. I ran GLITCHLESS and the time was still optimised by MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES in a sub 20 run.

[@NintendoSunnyDee]

Billy Mitchell: The Man. The Myth. The Basketball.

[@idle2.064]

“Sir this is a Wendy’s”

[@metleon]

13:55 Nothing in this whole documentary has aged worse than this clip.

[@Buttington_Headerson]

It was poorly aged when he said it, m8

[@metleon]

@@Buttington_Headerson Yeah that's true.

[@Myyraman]

They should rename this documentary to ”King of Kon: Fistful of lawsuits”!

[@picanigeorgello2847]

Theres a donkey kong kill screen coming up if anyone wants to watch

[@nobs8]

Never noticed the "he was a basketball" line !

[@MrQuijibo]

Mitchell has one legitimate record. He is the world's tallest midget.

[@KazuTree]

I know it seems like he's lying, but have you considered the Human Element?

[@brickwitheyes1710]

Yeah, the human element that has the ability to bypass the program limitations 😆

[@Blarsen780]

They started the documentary in second gear.

[@TrialzGTAS]

I can’t really watch streams often, so I love these highlight reels from you and every other content creator. Thank you, this was really entertaining to watch

[@Checco105]

What if you wanted to comment about Billy Mitchell. But he says: LAWSUIT

[@Its419games]

"King of Kong" was the first time I heard Wiebe pronounced that way. I have a lot of relatives with the last name, and none of them pronounce it "Wee-bee".

[@MultiJamesman]

The friendliness and or charm of a con man is in fact the beginning of the con itself, not something separate from it. The con in con man is short for confidence, the meaning is that the con man is able to con you because firstly he/she has gained your confidence.

[@shoegayser]

Smh should've speedran the documentary by pressing the skip 5 secs button as much as possible

[@Etienne3333]

skip to the end idiot

[@shoegayser]

@@Etienne3333 ruins the flow of the run

[@Etienne3333]

@@shoegayser Ahh i see its kind of like a jumpless run

[@nojot0]

The true speedrun strats for Any% No Video Skimming: press 9 and spam L, as L skips 10 seconds.

[@Etienne3333]

@@nojot0 new sequence break POG

[@KentRoads]

does anyone else notice that whenever the frauds open their mouth, cringe falls out of it.

[@rossrobertson674]

That's a good way to phrase it

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

History of King of Kong sued% speedruns

[@CelticGuardian7]

I really loved a lot of the points you guys brought up. Karl mentioning how people look first and foremost for people they have fun hanging out with over someone who only has top skills going for them might seem like common sense, but it's not something a lot of people think about, and I'd say it's valuable insight. =) Thanks for the fun and informative video!

[@antonioreis8394]

He pitched. h e w a s a b a s k e t b a l l

[@RoyLGamer]

"Roy's taint on it is too strong" 15:00

[@Wabajck]

When I watched this back around when it first hit DVD I legit thought the reason was to highlight how awful Mitchell was. I didnt think there was any attempt to paint him as the fighting hero of the story.

[@kingj521]

i remember watching this on g4 when it first aired... And i was seething from start to finish and didnt know why until the speed running community exposed him 1 reason i can pin point at least. was his camera presence. and when ever the contender was shown i got this heart worming feeling. this documentary was like a wrestling match without the wrestling. the contender was actually really humble while billy got this psuedo humble thing going on

[@JordoValentino]

I love Robert Mruczek. He's the real MVP.

[@ma70er]

At the end of the day... everyone just wants to root for the basketball.

[@koiasana]

Todd Rogers was there 2 more times and you didn't count it

[@saroui9145]

He's a basketball

[@rexapis1737]

13:56 The worst thing that could happen is to give somebody credibility of a score that doesn't deserve it, the next would be to deny someone the credibility of a score that earned it" Can you say "HYPOCRITE"? Phony virtue signaling a tits finest. Those two examples are just the foundation the scripting the film was based on. Remember a WR title was literally stolen from Tim so Billy and Steve could claim the topic material as their own and profit as well.

[@Etienne3333]

banana slama is what hes gonna say when u get sued

[@l.r9443]

And as an added bonus he'll shower you with coconut cream pies

[@Etienne3333]

@@l.r9443 yah sure

[@TheInfiniteMiseryJumper]

There's a Billy Mitchell dropping the soap killscreen coming up if anyone's interested...

[@sebastianmaydana7380]

Karl is right, I never cared for speedrunning that much, I only watch his videos because I love his way of telling compelling stories (about a topic that is not that compelling to me) and how he calls you an absolute legend every time

[@Diggy22]

Steve Wiebe became a gaming hero to me after I watched The King of Kong. I messaged him here and there on Facebook back in the day, and I still wish him a happy birthday every year. Back in the day, I started a small Facebook group called “Wiebe Gamers”, and I bravely invited Steve to join. He said it was “surreal” 😂 But that’s the kind of genuine guy that he is. Between him and Hank Chien, those are the two guys I root for when it comes to Donkey Kong.

[@rexapis1737]

Steve Webies a scam too. Ask him who beat Billys 1982 arcade WR and see what he tells you.

[@FirstLast-po8oz]

Aw, Steve is so sweet tho, why would they be so mean to him.

[@Clay3613]

Billy and small cabal of sycophants within TG and the arcade community had a lot of clout and leeway by being the most prominent organization that kept track of high scores. Any challenger to his throne of #1 gamer was seen as a threat.

[@theofontaine5564]

I know this is a minor point but I've managed a retail supermarket and you can't just give your product as many 'facings' as you want the way Billy does in this film. If you did what Billy does (I cringe every time I see it) you would be told never to touch the product again or never come back.

[@SHiFTss]

Legendary thumbnail game ROFL

[@Hummeldon]

Yo, thanks Shift! EZ has really really helped me improve my thumbnail skills by working with him.

[@NotSoMax]

The cross over we really needed, absolutely love this video and I hope to see more like it in the future. Absolutely love both EZScape and Karl

[@caslaBBalsac]

32:48 YES!!! While it isn't true that people don't want to watch better runs, I WILL switch to less good runner who's NOT a jerk over a better one who IS.