The Biggest Conmen In Video Game History Strike Again!

[@CriticalNobody]

Todd Togers is actually the evil twin brother of Rogers and all of this is an elaborate setup to ruin him. That’s my canon.

[@Eurynomos326]

Someone needs to make a Todd Rogers vs Rodd Togers cut like the Roe Jogan ones. Also, where I'm from a Todger is a part of the male anatomy. Not to mention, Rodd.

[@Prawnsly]

Does anyone remember the Captain Todger sketch from Mitchel and Webb?

[@cwp24]

Talk about a hilarious fail on his part. 😂

[@alkaupadhyay7650]

Todd howard

[@Shorty_Hutch]

As long as he stays away from our beloved splinter cell..

[@L1me]

Todd Togers is actually not a misspelling of his name. It's just the way the name comes out when you start typing in second gear.

[@NintendoSunnyDee]

33 likes ain't enough

[@ClebyHerris]

I feel like it’s an actual technique that suing a person has. If they get backed into a corner they point to the name and say it wasn’t me. Or if it is dumb just go “nah wasn’t me”

[@ausaskar]

We call it the "human element".

[@jackjohnson9055]

@@ClebyHerris I mean it's going to be hard to claim if he shows up to the courthouse and tries to go through with it

[@ClebyHerris]

@@jackjohnson9055 no like if it’s a bad argument he can just say it isn’t his

[@here4good]

"I sued them. Not just the men... but the women and children too"

[@chlebu955]

Nice job youve got a heart from the legend himself!

[@sir3127]

Nice reference my buddy

[@fedbar]

I heard he has also sued the unborn (this is a joke)

[@sir3127]

@@fedbar glad you explained, you were about to trigger a hundred people rn 🤣

[@aoshi9254]

@@fedbar Thanks for explaining that it was a joke, I was about to type a 420 paragraph essay about why you are a bad person for saying something online about someone else which was very rude and everyone would be mad. Nobody could had ever realized that that was a joke. It's so good to the point were I took it seriously and was about to sue you for a random comment you made online just because of a joke, but I changed my mind all thanks to your comment saying (this is a joke). By the way, (This isn't a joke). I seriously believed that you should be arrested for doing something as bad as this.

[@literallyshaking8019]

If Todd Rodgers is “Todgers” does that mean Billy Mitchell is “Bitchell”? 🤔

[@davinarose2876]

Nice! 😂

[@thatonecrazykobold1729]

trust me he IS a Bitchell

[@GPotatoGD]

That was clever

[@cptredhorse5156]

Yes. Yes it does 🤣

[@wyx7714]

Yes.. Yes. YES

[@KrinkelsNG]

I enjoyed you calling him Togers for the duration. Very nice.

[@Apnael]

Man love your work, keep being awesome.

[@needamorecreativename]

I thought it was funny and cool. I also enjoyed it

[@rinzler9171]

Madness

[@shadowx2229]

Never thought I'd see you here

[@bundo13]

Isn't Todger slang for a donger in British English as well? lmao

[@gonzo7758]

When he is counter-sued: "I didn't file a lawsuit, Todd Todgers did."

[@AliensAreNoobs]

That idea reminds me of when Digital Homicide (a studio of two people) went after Jim Sterling, got shut down immediately, then kept repeating over and over “erm technically it wasn’t digital homicide in that lawsuit, it was only [insert whatever that dude’s name was]”

[@catboygremlin]

@@AliensAreNoobs James and Robert Romine

[@steeveedee4307]

Hysterical to see someone has donated $1,000 in the name of 'Todd Togers'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Leonard0F41G]

@@steeveedee4307 Holy shit what a genius

[@AlienGenotype]

First thing that came to my mind lol

[@tyeikenberg8938]

"He wrote his name wrong on the lawsuit" proceeds to call him the wrong name the whole video like an absolute legend!

[@JojoushiPWI]

He will proceed to blame the "human element".

[@uptown710]

Loved the fact he kept that going 😂

[@theonetrueac]

Kept me laughing throughout..

[@evelghostrider]

Legally with that wrong name its a failed law suit. As the others can legally say we called Mr Rodgers scores fake. Not Mr todgers. In law every single word is critical rite down to its spelling. Even correct punctuation is necessary or you can loose everything.

[@Hauntaku]

@@evelghostrider You spelled "lose" wrong

[@balzache]

Hearing about Billy Mitchell holding back "giggles" from pushing a man to suicide makes "World Record for Biggest Piece of Shit" a more appropriate title then any of the records he's clearly cheated on.....

[@ryanong3517]

He's the longest record holder for that.

[@davidwarford3087]

I just want to point out that these were ENTIRLY separate occasions. Him celebrating his death was a false alarm long before Apollo killed himself. Still horrible but nothing to do with suicide.

[@projectpitchfork860]

@@davidwarford3087 He still was happy about the false assumption of somebody having commited suicide.

[@propheinx2250]

As much as I want to agree, there's yet still bigger pieces of shit out there. Just like EA isn't actually the worst company in America, there are worse people than Billy Mitchell.

[@stephenheffren4324]

"King of C***s"

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"Judge declares Billy Mitchel is "not a giant floating head" contrary to popular belief." Best headline subtitle ever.

[@CLOYO]

His head is too small for that (and it's contents)

[@TempDevil]

so wait dude isn't kaos from skylanders?

[@georgesracingcar7701]

cheezemonkeyeater. Best name ever.

[@EnforcerX71]

Everyone knows William Shatner is the only Big Giant Head.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

@@georgesracingcar7701 My name is literally the username equivalent of a shitpost, because I initially got this account to be a troll when I was young, dumb, and ugly and couldn't be bothered to make a new account now that I'm slightly older, modestly less dumb, and moderately more ugly. But I'm glad it amuses someone.

[@bane2201]

The fact that Billy Mitchell is responsible for Apollo Legend going into debt - which was a factor in his suicide - is INFURIATING.

[@calamorta]

The fact US justice system actually forced a random internet teen (my mistake, apparently apollo wasn't that young) to pay him money is such a comedy edit: technically he didn't lose it, but still had to pay lawyers and so on. Justice truly is built to protect the wealthier.

[@kaylanbuyukcetin5274]

"Billy Mitchell is responsible for... his suicide" Fixed that for you. I think, in my opinion, it was the main factor.

[@zxGHOSTr]

@Stellvia Hoenheim Shocked me too to hear about his death... was thinking the same about the uploads.

[@vedaryan334]

Don't think so . He had other issues too.

[@lonewolffang]

I didn't even know. Damn shame.😔 Mitchell is only worried about his ego being bruised. May he rest peacefully.

[@demounit]

The fact that you keep calling him Togers is killing me

[@nukadraco9942]

I mean, he called himself that so i dont blame him

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Disappointed we didn't get Bitchell for Billy Mitchell. It was right there

[@nukadraco9942]

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn Silly Bitchel

[@salmon85]

todger, slang for penis :D

[@someguy34hnt]

Now all we need is Bimmy Mitchell (Y'know? Bimmy And Jimmy? Double Dragon 3? lol)

[@AidanWR]

Shout-out to repeatedly calling him "Togers" after bringing up that he misspelled his name

[@MikeandKatieShow]

I was going to comment on this. Was so subtle but hilarious.

[@techaid1940]

@@MikeandKatieShow indeed XD

[@cubegame]

Every time he says togers I smile

[@ElronHumpperdink]

I didn’t even notice it like I should’ve til I read this and stopped scrolling... lol it’s funny for sure.

[@Nysyarc]

Karl's legendary deadpan delivery was the icing on the cake of every "Togers" too. Had me chuckling.

[@CYMotorsport]

Mate. “Togers” got a giggle EVERY second time. Great call there 😂

[@CommissarMitch]

Rod Togers is at it again.

[@paulbailey5087]

Toggers

[@selvamantony5711]

@@paulbailey5087 Poggers

[@cyborgste]

Oh hey cranky yanky, nice to see you here.

[@keryst]

When he said Togers at 6:35 I lost it and had to rewind. Missed 30 seconds from cracking up.

[@CalebTRBLX]

The fact that after talking about Todd Rodgers lawsuit where he misspelled his name he called him Todgers for the rest of the video, absolute legend lol

[@BrenTenkage]

it also protects him, since if Rodgers decides to sue him for reporting this, he can't be sued since he is talking about "Todd Todgers" who is on the form

[@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068]

@@BrenTenkage Ye, that's not how it works :P

[@BrenTenkage]

@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068 oh I know, its just funny

[@comske8111]

I feel bad for David. He tried his best to defend Mitchell and prove him innocent and in the end Mitchell betrays him because he couldn't do it. It's impossible that it wasn't on an emulator and David found that out during his own research.

[@thenarrator6846]

Karl: "Billy Mitchel still exists." Me: "What?!" Karl: "There's more." Me: "No..."

[@kerbe3]

This is Billy Mitchel Dear god There's more No

[@miu4826]

Rick grimes : KARWLL

[@Przymiot]

Same. I used to follow the whole thing closely but stopped once he took down the videos. Had no idea about this, very mindblown right now

[@crittersandmore6918]

Its FIREBLASTER! and it's totally tubular!

[@SuperJumpBros]

Me: He looks like the Guy from Pixels who also cheated on Donkey Kong....... Wait

[@geegee2925]

Imagine playing a part in bullying someone to their death and then celebrating. There’s being a bad dude and then there’s Billy Mitchell.

[@Mrcake0103]

Holy shit. I literally just found out that Apollo’s dead.

[@jongyon7192p]

Billy even caused him to commit suicide

[@crabking3525]

Yeah I was about to comment that he literally sued a dead guy.

[@Fusion4687]

I did too how are these lawsuits going thrue?🥺😖

[@metalghostT4E]

@@jongyon7192p believe it or not, this is actually a crime and can be charged with manslaughter for this

[@randys2669]

Imagine being a judge for major lawsuits, like making serious decisions in important injury and malpractice cases, and once a year or so you're like "dammit the guy who keeps suing people over his high score is back."

[@illdeletethismusic]

"i am a judge, and my hobby is judging lawsuits" "that sounds a bit monotonous" "oh no, for work i judge serious cases, but my hobby cases are dimwits suing over their gaming scores not being taken seriously"

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

I know. Its sounds so petty.

[@kargaroc386]

Not sure if judges get to pick the cases they hear, but most of the things I read suggest "no, but there are exceptions"

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

If you've ever watched something like Judge Judy it's probably not so strange. People go to court over stuff like "wind makes trashcan lids fall off" and "I want the olive oil in divorce". I realize it won't be a small claims court this time, but the judges will have seen it elsewhere.

[@four-en-tee]

And on top of all that, your score still gets demolished by some random asian guy who plays in his free time.

[@Guitarman1275]

As an attorney, I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this video. And misspelling your client's name in the complaint might be the most embarrassing thing a lawyer can do. I am genuinely gobsmacked at this lawsuit. Genuinely sanctionable.

[@fatfr0g570]

@@JuliusCaesar888 Yeah, I don’t know any 14 year old attorneys. Even assuming they haven’t updated their channel description since it’s creation 13 years ago, 27 years old is astonishingly young for an attorney, almost unbelievably so.

[@liamcdm3689]

@@fatfr0g570 Is it though? One would be 25 by the time they graduated law school and by 26 they'd most likely be in practice.

[@testerwulf3357]

@@fatfr0g570 27 is a very normal starting age for one.

[@PartnershipsForYou]

Todd Togers, bro

[@Guitarman1275]

@@fatfr0g570 Hah it is quite normal to be a practicing attorney in one's mid-to-late 20s. Most folks graduate law school around 25-26.

[@vladimir8891]

Holy shit, I didn't know Apollo died. That's fucking horrible.

[@sparkychan123]

@@DonutPyro when you feel like you're trapped and have no other choice, you tend to do that.... but if it hadn't been for Billy's threats, I HIGHLY doubt he ever would've gone through with it.

[@Sanyo201]

@@DonutPyro What is wrong with you?

[@tulipelily9373]

I didn't know either... I'm heartbroken wow

[@papabones8753]

IKR? I heard about it a while ago, still feels kinda unreal, he was the first person I found talking about speedrunning ages ago and he's sorely missed.

[@davidwhidden9337]

@@DonutPyro Hey man. When you go, I hope you go happy and not drowning in yourself pity.

[@taipenn2358]

Todd Rogers: Prepare for trouble. Todd Togers: And make it double.

[@ZachNarwhal]

*Rodd Togers

[@burntpyromaniak6413]

@@ZachNarwhal *Rog Todders

[@joshhodkinson9305]

Team Focket

[@tomoda7602]

LMAO

[@xexpaguette]

@@burntpyromaniak6413 Rug Titters

[@mechatyrants6218]

The saddest possible life is suing everyone in sight for saying you didn't hold a Donkey Kong world record 30 years ago.

[@IMaRUPG]

especially when you faked the record lol

[@t.dmattocks6119]

Not to mention killing someone over it. Dudes a monster.

[@bradydavis5791]

I mean, life could get sadder than that....

[@Bruteforce765]

@@bradydavis5791 it can t get more pathetic

[@IMaRUPG]

@@bradydavis5791 its an expression mate, calm down

[@CptJistuce]

Tell you what, there is some serious emotional whiplash here moving from "Todd Togers misspelled his own name in legal documents" to "Billy Mitchell basically killed a man and then gloated about it."

[@jojolafrite90]

Yeah. I know. Can't like a lot of people force the American system in any way to look in details into all Mitchell did? And force him to pay money to the families of those who's life he destroyed, some of these did die at least partly because of him and his actions, so he should pay money to the victim's family.

[@incumbentvinyl9291]

@@jojolafrite90 That's rather hilarious to be perfectly honest. You must think law works the way you see it in movies and sitcoms. Welcome to the real world.

[@subtleusername5475]

@@incumbentvinyl9291 wrongful death lawsuits are a real thing you clown, it's not unheard of.

[@KnakuanaRka]

Billy didn't influence Apollo killing himself, but still, laughing after hearing someone killed themselves is fricked up.

[@testerwulf3357]

@@KnakuanaRka He did, He was a cause of it. Sure he wasn’t the MAIN reasons but he still likely contributed as who would of guessed that harassing and threatening to financially and socially wreck someone with a bunch of people in their comments shitting on them would of further wrecked the mental health of someone suicidal and in poor mental health!?

[@idkman-rr3bm]

Billy Mitchell is such a sad man. Getting a high score 30 years ago is literally his life achievement and he can't move on.

[@Chill_Valentine]

Those scores are his entire brand, how he markets his barbecue sauce, why people even know that exists etc. Not defending Mitchell because he’s absolutely a fraud, but I can definitely see why he’d so ardently fight to make his fake scores legitimate.

[@gressorialNanites]

Also, apparently fighting for those scores has been nothing but bad press and good money for him. That's a trade many would go for.

[@dans4635]

hes 100%a gigantic fucking loser, he has no life clearly

[@paradoxzee6834]

At least Mitchell have a score on a well knowed game. What does Todd Rogers have? A perfect time on a game that no one cared back than and even less now

[@kevinf8439]

Wrong. He achieved no high score. He achieved nothing.

[@MrTheMasterX]

I don't have the nicest things to say about Apollo, but saying "I will try my hardest not to smile or giggle," because the guy that had habitually mocked you whom you indebted with a bogus lawsuit *committed suicide* is genuinely sociopathic. What a piece of trash.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

I thought Mitchell was a con artist and a loser... Now I think he's an absolute piece of shit and I wish him bad things because he deserves them.

[@phishphan49]

Finally a reasonable take

[@ZSpieg]

What did Apollo do?

[@phishphan49]

@@ZSpieg blamed ezscape and darkviperAU for his decision after being adamant about denying help prior to his departure. It's pretty shitty to put that evil on innocent people that you wrongly attacked...

[@user-hp6pj4sy3k]

What I'm wondering is why did Apollo even settle with Billy Mitchell? I remember he posted the video about Billy's lawsuit, then set up a Gofundme, and he was able to raise enough money to counter-sue Billy pretty quickly. And he probably would have won the lawsuit-Billy had no case and Apollo had plenty of allies. Very sad. Hopefully Karl Jobst's lawsuit will teach Billy a lesson.

[@jackotherstar]

I know Apollo Legend wasn’t the best guy, but Billy expressing happiness over his death is just sickening. He and Togers need to be stopped.

[@Bubbly_Dragon]

@@thegrasswhistle5238 He blamed another KZbinr for his suicide apparently. I generally don't fault people for their last words before they kill themselves though, and frankly if that's the worst thing anyone can find on the dude he wasn't that bad

[@wombatcat26]

@@thegrasswhistle5238 he also defended Nazis in the speedrunning community. Still doesn't mean he deserved to die, or that his suicide should be celebrated.

[@yilvoxe4017]

@@wombatcat26 This is the correct take. Apollo deserved to live a full life and learn and change as all humans do. RIP.

[@mayborneflower]

@@thegrasswhistle5238 Basically Apollo became kinda reviled by other speedrunners for spending more time acting like peak cancer Keemstar and LeafyisHere (each of whom have generally mellowed way out) than actually running games, having a raging hate boner for Games Done Quick, had ongoing friendships with legitimate Neo Nazis, and repeated tried to get DarkViperAU cancelled for previously broadcasting and calling out his bullshit in videos. Also, the funny haha skits where he cosplayed Billy Mitchell while meeting the real guy in person included textbook examples of harassment and as well as attempts to illegally record him.

[@Aereto]

There's only one way to fix that. But no one has the willpower.

[@C64_Mat]

"He claims he has witnesses, but none of them ever come forward. Because they are imaginary."

[@Aeviu]

he has witnesses, they just go to a different school

[@birdsnestisstupid]

he has witnesses before his pills

[@nicwelch]

Nuh uh! They live in Canada! You don’t even know them!!

[@ProBotGamming]

I can’t believe that Todd exposed his true identity, Todd Togers.

[@Akairi]

He misspelled it... His true name is *R O D D T O G E R S*

[@Muffinracker]

TOGERS ROD

[@coldisthevoid6605]

@@Muffinracker DOR SOGERT

[@Shrek_Has_Covid19]

TOD TOGERS

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Legend has it that he cheated and stole the real Todd Rogers name.

[@brianbernstein3826]

"I will do my best not to smile or giggle." Billy writes this in response to Apollo's suicide? Pure. Evil.

[@switchthornsandroses440]

This man is not allowed to live anymore

[@un-for-given]

Billy be like: "Yo Togers, come sue people with me so I don't look like a dumbass."

[@ebofthechill8008]

"Got you fam..... so what are you wearin-" *billy hangs up*

[@rockstar-5934]

This comment is underrated.

[@javierrodrigo1009]

Now they both look like dumbasses 😎

[@TheGleely]

I guess the defendants ARE his little togchamps

[@ultimatesquatchington]

I'm honestly wondering if Mitchell came talked him into doing and offered to pay his legal fees.

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

Regular Show really knew what they were doing when they parodied Billy Mitchell in one of their episodes!

[@danielarputharaj9918]

Never watched it, looks hilarious to see that jackass memed to shit

[@slygamer136]

@@danielarputharaj9918 to sum it up, the blue jay (mordecai) and raccoon (rigby) beat the ever loving shit out of everyone on that game, shooting for the universe record until Garrett bobby Ferguson (the big head parodying mitchell) confronts them and tells them he has that record, convincing the crowd enough to ignore mordecai and rigby and respect gbf, so the two of them challenge him in a round that ends with him pleading in sympathy for them to forefeit since the score is all gbf has, they do, but he lied and destroys their pride and respect in turn until the bros realize they have an extra life, trying to both beat the record and keep away gbf, thus kicking him in the nuts, winning all the respect, and gbf exploding into goo lol. Just watch 'high score', my explanation doesnt do this justice

[@danielarputharaj9918]

@@slygamer136 sounds amazing

[@amberdeyuliis7886]

Damn I forgot about that episode

[@GAshoneybear]

The thing is if Mitchell had kept his mouth shut, most viewers wouldn't have known that and just thought of it as a funny design. I would guess that 70% of Regular Show viewers had never even heard of Billy Mitchell when they watched it.

[@reversal]

6:33 “It does state that Togers” you got me rolling Karl 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-dh3kq8wp4h]

whats up checkmark

[@stonefacewiththedrip3377]

@@user-dh3kq8wp4h updog

[@Irumaes]

@@user-dh3kq8wp4h please shut up....

[@DM-qd7gw]

@@stonefacewiththedrip3377 whats updog?

[@molagbal1904]

I knew I didn't misheard. Brilliant.

[@TheZetaKai]

Billy Mitchell is an IRL supervillain: petty, monomaniacal, and heartless. Todd Togers is more like a supervillain's bumbling flunky, the kind of mook that ruins his master's plans through his own incompetence, who would be sad if he wasn't detestably amusing.

[@FuelYourFocus]

Mimsy!!!

[@mandalorian_guy]

He is kind of like Otis from the Superman movie.

[@RedArremer]

In this case, Todd actually helped Billy by being the 'referee' that verified his 1.067 million DK score. The one we have no full video of, and only show-off demos from Billy (that reveal MAME screen drawing routines anyway).

[@Hibernial]

That’s...a good summary after having watched up videos on both of them. I still can’t wrap my head around why holding a fake record is such a big deal to these guys, but maybe it’s really not about that at all. It’s just a tool to push others around with.

[@RedArremer]

@@Hibernial They made a lot of money, but more so was the prestige of being 'worshipped' as gods in their minds.

[@OmoiSenpai]

Yo what? Apollo Took his own life?! Where the hell was I at? Damn, that sucks =/

[@DragonMals]

Yeah...

[@AncapOtaku]

i was shocked as well i knew billy was a terrible man i didn't know he was a total scumbag tho

[@OmoiSenpai]

@@AncapOtaku For real. It's really strikes me that he was such a head in the speedrunning community for those videos, but when he did what he did 4 months ago, like, I didn't hear a word or anything for the most part. Screw Billy Mitchel for real though.

[@Astronic]

Did Apollo the speed runner kill himself?! Because of the law suits??

[@midnight-fox7456]

@@Astronic While it wasn't the only reason, Billy's lawsuit forced Apollo to take a massive debt in the bank, leading to money problems. This, combined with his already deteriorating health and smaller youtube dramas, is what finally broke him, which made Apollo commit suicide.

[@marshalmathers5669]

Klassy Karl is such a professional. Despite all of the "human element's" temper tantrums, Karl still shows proper respect and addresses him by his preferred legal name of "Mr. Togers" throughout the entire video.

[@SofterSocks]

Karl's truly a humble legend.

[@themocaw]

". . . and Apollo Legend eventually took his own life." Okay. I was annoyed at Billy Mitchell before. Now I hate him.

[@George_Kush]

That hit me hard... I just learned that holy shit 😥

[@grey3247]

@@George_Kush Same...

[@robhimself1985]

Same

[@TheLemonyBard]

The fact that Mitchell was happy is what gets me. I knew about Apollo Legend and basically everything leading up to his death, but THAT is news to me and makes me beyond furious.

[@ztarx7990]

Duuude.....Holy crap. I thought Apollo just vanished.

[@otter9581]

"I'm now of the opinion he is legitimately evil" careful there Karl, with this guy's track record he's gonna try to sue you *again* for defamation

[@WombatDave]

The statement should be fine. It is, one must assume, a true statement regarding Karl's opinion.

[@BigT.Larrity]

Ultimately evil is subjective, so there's no way in hell that sad twat could sue him for defamation. But even if he could Bitchell's remarks on what he thought was Apollo's suicide would fall under most people's definition of evil.

[@grayaj23]

Opinion is not defamatory (with a nod to the pedants who will say "except when it is", but none of those conditions would apply here.) But to be fair, it's still a legitimate concern because it costs money to have lawyers argue in court and get a judge to throw the case out.

[@Aresydatch]

Notch said he’s backing him up

[@Megaritz]

Philosophically speaking, I think the fact/opinion distinction is actually somewhat bogus (see John Corvino's article on this). But "opinion" still functions alright as a legal category.

[@ImCarpet]

I've been a fan of Apollo Legend for a long time. I wondered why he hasn't uploaded in a while and when you said he took his own life my heart stopped.. I had no idea. That's seriously heartbreaking. I already hated Billy Mitchell, but now I can't even express how much I hate him.. what a terrible fucking person. I'm so sad now. RIP Apollo Legend

[@cw2002]

Yep, I had to rewind and listen to it again to make sure it was AL he was talking about. Can't believe it! I wonder what Iillness he had. Very sad.

[@MrMars-sx3db]

You should see the comments of his latest video. So many trolls and Billy Mitchell bootlickers endlessly bad-mouthing him

[@ImCarpet]

@@MrMars-sx3db Yes I've seen.. Some kid was even posting videos making fun of his death. So disgusting and just sad tbh

[@V-for-Vendetta01]

there is a good amount to unpack here. i was similarly angered by karl's video. i have always and will continue to hate mitchell. but the implication that billy was ultimately responsible for apollo's suicide is far fetched and so is the claim that he had to pay mitchell money for settlement (no proof of this yet; mitchell claims he has papers backing up the fact that no transaction had occured, but mitchell is a compulsive liar and i take his words with a grain of salt). unfortunately, mitchell has latched on to the this very sentiment and wants to sue jobst for these 'defamatory' claims which is derailing the entire course of action. mitchell must have most likely seen that a better case would be if he could prove that there was no transaction between him and apollo; hence he wants to proceed with this 'lawsuit' rather than the donkey kong one which he is 100% destined to lose. jobst should have been a little more careful while throwing those words as there was no real proof pointing towards any cash settlement.

[@rangergxi]

The suicide video cites chronic pain and his friends betraying him as the main reason. Billy laughed about it, but did not cause it.

[@XarmenKarshov]

I just realized, Billy's new lawsuit against Karl is being prepared a week before his birthday. I know it's most likely not going to happen beforehand, but I would want nothing more than to see Billy's birthday present being shutdown after decades of lying.

[@i69GrzzlyBears]

Billy Mitchell legitimately said that he would try not to smile or giggle at Apollo's suicide simply because he was exposed for cheating at a video game. Truly pathetic man.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Except Billy's comment was from BEFORE Apollo's actual death, but it's still a massive dipshit move.

[@fivefierce8754]

@@ChiefMedicPururu Doesn't matter if it's before or after, even if you are under a false assumption it's still your genuine feelings. Believing someone has passed and expressing joy, and someone actually passing and expressing joy, are fundamentally the same thing.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@fivefierce8754 Hence the "Still a massive dipshit move" in my comment.

[@RedArremer]

@@ChiefMedicPururu Hence Five Fierce saying it doesn't matter about the "Except" part.

[@charcoal4742]

The fact that Billy's official statement/video (which btw everyone should save it cause theres a good chance he'll delete it) only talks about how no money was exchanged between the two and doesn't even mention him laughing about apollo's death is sickening

[@badfdsify]

David Race is such a genuinely nice guy and is so talented at Pac man. Every time I catch his stream on Twitch seems like he can basically get a perfect game on command. That's what true talent looks like, someone who can play a game on command and does it just because they enjoy it. Truly upsets me to see Mitchell go after such a good dude, hope everything works out in David's favor.

[@leviathandrumming2175]

*Bitchell

[@DrakonisOrdo]

"It does state that Togers has suffered..." "Togers implies..." I love how you switched over to calling him "Togers." Thats his name now. Is it really his last name? Well, its as real as his Dragster score.

[@jtdHenk]

It took a couple of Togers before i heard it......

[@klaushammer8687]

Actually there is not evidence in favor of Togers being his name vs the high score. See, there's actually written documentation.

[@willyeeton4390]

Hey, the man himself said it was Togers, who are we to argue? "And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, goddammit, this is a free country, you should respect his wishes and call the man Muhammad Ali!"

[@YTDeepshock]

He IS a Todger.

[@mikethetowns]

'"-and I'm now of the opinion he is legitimately evil" - Karl Jobst' should be added to the cover of any future King of Kong physical copies haha.

[@fordxbgtfalcon]

This is so funny because he will forever be known as “Todd Togers” for the remainder of history.

[@Panzer_Runner]

Surprised he didn't spell his own name Rodd Togers

[@blunderbus2695]

David Race: "Do I at least get to show this recording as evidence?" Billy Mitchell: "This is America, so no!" David Race: "This isn't America, this is Ohio!"

[@Aavenell]

Oooh, nice Scatt reference.

[@IntrusiveThot420]

Wait, it's all Ohio?

[@racingenraged8019]

@@IntrusiveThot420 Always has been

[@MicrowavedBurrito1]

THE BORDER IS CLOSING IN ON OHIO

[@pavelzabak5276]

@@racingenraged8019 *gunshot*

[@julien2983]

I thought "legitimately evil" was an exaggeration until I saw his response to Apollo taking his own life. I don't even care about the records, that's just despicable.

[@Kowkarot]

Todd Rogers and Billy Mitchell look like a Wario and Waluigi Netflix adaptation.

[@xxPenjoxx]

Bwahahahahahahahaha 👏 👏

[@selanryn5849]

Has no one filed an anti-SLAPP suit against Mitchell yet? He's exactly what they were meant for.

[@chameon378]

To my knowledge Billy would need to mis-place one of his accusations into the wrong state court system for an anti slapp suit to actually apply to him, as antislapp litigation is not at the federal level. However, I am not a legal expert, I've merely listened to a few who have made similar claims as well as survivors of likely slapp suits.

[@Shyguyexplores]

Yes I was wondering the same thing myself, if the anti-slapp legislation covers federal court or just State Court? I would think that it is the federal court system which was being abused with these frivolous cases, but I could be wrong because I haven't checked into the actual law itself just see what it says. That's always the best way to check validity of a claim, to look at the actual law or at least put a link up here for people to click to see the anti-slapp law?

[@ex3111x]

You know Billy Mitchell was wrote to by Ronald freakin' Reagan, and named game player of the century by the makers of this. All these investigations and you are finding more to 'speculate' about, but nothing to certainly surmise any conclusion towards, leaving the speculation in the hands of emotional viewers. I may not like him, but he has skill. And guess what too, we have the right to the legal system, you have the right to a lawyer, and you don't need to spend money on it to pollute the legal system that people so deride. Maybe I think it's time this generation's viewers actually grow up for a change. Get over it, or better yet learn to get your head out of the scourge that is cancel culture. It's only convenient to accuse but not to defend in this day and age.

[@s0shadow]

@@ex3111x you're not going to convince anyone that you aren't a fraud, Billy.

[@bluishwolf]

@@Shyguyexplores Only in state courts. And only the states that have it, obviously.

[@jbvarghese1993]

Oh my God, Apollo Legend....I didn't know...Rest in peace... Holy shit.

[@Epicgaming454]

I didn’t know that either I feel so bad

[@MouldGaming]

I hope karma catches up to Billy for this

[@Epicgaming454]

@@MouldGaming yes

[@andreschaves523]

Same here... Billy's messages are fake, however, as they show a 2018 date

[@sturmifan]

@@andreschaves523 they're not fake. these are from back then. nothing to do with ApolloLegends real death. still so dark that i just want bill midget to realize that what he does is stupid, and turn of his internet. tod todgers is just trying the midget scheme

[@dwangoAC]

Hi, dwangoAC, keeper of TASBot here - I can confirm Dragster console verification could only achieve 5.57 as shown at 8:36

[@letcreate123]

Oh hi dwango

[@LordDragox412]

Hi, me here. I can neither confirm nor deny the info provided by DwangoAC, for it shall forever remain a mystery... to me, because I don't know anything about the topic. You're welcome y'all. /s

[@dwangoAC]

@@LordDragox412 I took the TAS that Omnigamer created and used TASBot with a replay device made by true to send the button presses to a real unmodified Atari 2600 console. The best time I achieved with any combination of inputs was 5.57, confirming that the purported record is not possible.

[@ersatz_cats]

Thank you, dwango!

[@tarand4528]

Thank you!

[@VeritasGames]

inb4 100% lawsuit WR

[@SmilesEdgeworth]

Wow, just got your ENTIRE SM64 speedrunning video as an ad on this video. Why?

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

Just think this is a funny reply.

[@VeritasGames]

@@SmilesEdgeworth google advertising % speedrun - I hope you didn't skip it that cost a lot of money!

[@peppermint_8]

@@TheBluePhoenix008 it means “I saw this video before”

[@mikethetowns]

TAS but for the legal system haha.

[@BrainSlugs83]

I'm sure Togers didn't lie about his scores; he just "misspelled" them. 😂

[@Voidling242]

And has a bad memory so he just reads the "misspelled" scores.

[@malcovich_games]

5:51 is the same as 5:57 in a blurry enough photograph

[@ARockyRock]

"Florida man misspells his own name in a lawsuit over a high score in a game"

[@Xegethra]

I reckon when it goes wrong for him he will try to say it's someone else.

[@DD_awsome]

On other news: scientist discover that water is, indeed, wet!

[@tzCombot]

@@Xegethra His lawyers forgot to start in second gear, obviously.

[@unwaveringdiscipline5489]

I swear to god man everyday has been looking more and more like an Onion video since covid hit

[@D2ezbmu]

Huge shoutout and a RIP to Apollo Legend for being the original person bringing this to KZbin light.

[@infeinfe]

Yeah... He got cornered by some lawsuits and had to make an agrement with mitchel.

[@THEDisneyNerd]

What happened to him? Was one of my fav youtubers

[@eugenehatin.420]

@@THEDisneyNerd committed suicide

[@mr.funnyman9765]

He was a bitch but Billy should NOT have won

[@THEDisneyNerd]

@@eugenehatin.420 I just got towards the end of the video, I am so saddened to hear this 😔

[@sanderbos4243]

I can't believe Mitchell's response to Apollo taking his own life, he's by far the most evil person I've ever seen

[@henryhardfoot]

It's unbelievable 😔 Rest in peace Apollo

[@coolpool4191]

He is an asshole

[@coolpool4191]

@@TheWatchernator true, Billy Mitchell deserves punishment

[@asdfhklljfztvvw3686]

If it's a good judge he will rule: "Togers Integrity shall be reinstated, Rogers however is declared a fraud. BAM!"

[@themuffindragon]

This just shows how ridiculous the current legal system is in the US. The fact that people can sue one another knowing full well that their claims are absurd just to strong arm the other person into submitting is insane.

[@MLennholm]

Yep, the fact that someone who wins a lawsuit (either as plaintiff or defendant) still has to pay their own legal fees means people are forced to settle even when they're 100% in the right. Basically extortion and many states lack the anti-SLAPP laws needed to prevent this.

[@ethanfordford6621]

It’s really telling how easy the system is to break when you have the money to backup bullshit

[@vball4eva0]

My friend had this happen when he did work for a very well known DJ who used my friend's work without paying. The DJ dared him to sue because of course this DJ had a team of lawyers ready to strong arm my friend into a settlement where he'd have ended up paying money to do the work that was stolen from him. It's despicable

[@whatis4295]

Now I'm pissed. I didn't know Apollo died as a result of Mitchell's lawsuit. I remember watching his videos about Mitchell's actions and am now very sad that Apollo is dead.

[@kristoffer8609]

It wasn't the only reason seemingly but I'm sure it played a big part. Being out of pocket is difficult enough, and even worse when you have health problems.

[@acemargera3203]

You will never be a real woman

[@fabulous_finn7810]

I would say dont look more into his death then. He fucking hated trans people, and used the trans population of the speed running community as a literal call to action to boycott AGDQ.

[@LordDragox412]

@@acemargera3203 Okay incel.

[@whatis4295]

@@fabulous_finn7810 That's good to know. Either way, I'm not really concerned about if he hated trans people as being in a situation where health is failing and being in debt sucks. I know a very similar situation which I am lucky to be out of (still working on some debt which may not be an issue soon). It still sucks that he died for such as awful reason and I don't want the to happen to anyone else either. No matter if they would have hated someone like me or not.

[@KarbinCry]

Todd is just doing "getting lawsuit thrown out" any% speedrun. It is a good attempt, I bet he will finally get a 5.51!

[@MillywiggZ]

“Todgers” If he just went by the word above as one word he has speed runned his own name at least.

[@RashFaustinho]

I didn't knew about Billy's statements about Apollo after his death. What a jerk :( EDIT: Turns out those comments were old (they were about a fake news in 2018 before Apollo's real passing away). Still, very bad taste.

[@Jacob-eg3kv]

Well he was one of the ones who murdered him so... Yet this dude is still not in prison.

[@vaultdestroyer4473]

@@Jacob-eg3kv not murdered but I wish it was considered murder so that he could put behind bars till the day he dies rotting away knowing that people will never respect him and that he'll never get out

[@IanBPPK]

@@Jacob-eg3kv it's not murder, but the vexatious litigation and following settlement definitely was contributory to his decision to commit suicide. In any case, Billy's remarks are detestable indeed. I hope he gets a vexatious litigant hold placed on him for his cases, like many copyright and patent trolls eventually get if not jailed. The level at which someone would be completely culpable for the death is where the person would be in a position of trust or influence, e.g. as a girlfriend, such that them telling the victim to kill themselves would be enough to make them go through with it.

[@eltiolavara9]

@@IanBPPK i don't want to talk about this like i have any knowledge of the subject, but in apollo legend's final video where he's just talking into the camera, he stated physical pain that kept getting worse as his main reason EDIT: nevermind, billy mitchell played a direct part in his death

[@eltiolavara9]

update: man i should've watched more of the video, fuck billy mitchell

[@martinschultz3441]

Todd Todgers has officially made himself a punchline of a Monty Python sketch for the rest of his life. GJ

[@LucDaMan4]

Be careful, he might sue you

[@martinschultz3441]

He can sue Cleese or Palin. They made me write it

[@Jamesi03]

@@LucDaMan4 But nobody expects a Todd Togers lawsuit

[@martinschultz3441]

@@Jamesi03 Truer words has not been uttered brother!

[@tonedefleppard6738]

When Mitchell loses everything “I will not shed a tear. I will try my very hardest not to smile or giggle.”

[@jjandjacks7928]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@MattPieti]

I will smile and giggle a lot.

[@TJD-xy6gg]

chances of you failing not smiling is preety high...

[@AeonAxisProductions]

Its all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits

[@katieandkevinsears7724]

It will take more effort than he put into the fraud.

[@KubanKevin]

Drove Apollo Legend to suicide and expressed joy at the thought? Well then Billy, it is now too late to turn back. I think you have a lot more to worry about than just counter-suits.

[@donutman6313]

when did he say that?

[@TKUltra971]

Nah, Apollo killed Apollo. During the whole Billy lawsuit he had massive fan and those who were disgusted with Billy's actions full support. He offd himself due to illness and not being able to do what he said he was going to do when suddenly almost 100 grand appeared in his GoFundMe account over night. He cracked under the pressure and couldn't juggle his health, the lawsuit and his other personal issues. This is why he caved into the lawsuit and removed the videos, refunded (or tried to) the GoFundMe money then got backlash about that on top of Apollo's own shitty online history (he wasn't exactly a good guy himself). Billy or his son now goes around on social media or silly boards like 4chan boasting and bragging how it was a win for them, Apollo had to settle due to defamation and lying on Billy and how Carl is next after a supposed video he had to edit to remove a clip from Apollo's now deleted video. To sum it up all nicely Carl isn't Apollo. And im more than sure he'd have a lawyer paid for by his viewers easily. You know it's all bullshit, the man spends more effort giving out lawsuits then he does proving he can do the score again.

[@TKUltra971]

@@Mudlink Way to twist the facts and bullshit, so lets take those down one by one 1) Billy continued to pressure and harass all leading up to Apollo's death. Not only that but his groupies did as well. Comment sections, social media you name it. It was uncalled for. Not to mention how he was a total snake with the whole visit to discuss the board swap video. When billy in that video tucked tail and ran in his office leaving Robert Childs to take the heat. Silly. They did it also to Tipster when he first covered the topic before he revealed himself to be a clown. 2) No one cares about billys Twitch channel. He got what? A mil? That wasn't the score that he claimed to have. And too little too fucking late. 3)Karl isn't the only source of information on this mess. And there are quite a few people who has a grudge or dislike of him. 4) All the time during the TG investigation he never worked with them to present any evidence to defend himself. But stood in a corner in FL. So the Tldr? Billy's full of so much shit his eyes are brown. He's what? 60 now? Let this shit go and retire somewhere. Also you're dishonest yourself. I strongly hope you aren't hopping around on accounts going from video to video. Apollo wasn't the first to notice billys shit nor was Karl.

[@rangergxi]

The suicide video cites chronic pain and his friends betraying him as the main reason. Billy laughed about it, but did not cause it.

[@TKUltra971]

@@rangergxi He was a part of the reason and yes he did use quite a few dirty tactics to put on that pressure.

[@Turnute]

I had absolutely no idea that Apollo Legend died, or even took his own life. That hit me like a rock man, Billy Mitchell deserves prison.

[@synmer7104]

EZScape and DarkViperAU were listed on the suicide note as the main reasons he committed unalive, so they deserve just as much blame in my opinion. Many people forgot that fact, but I never will.

[@ReginaCæliLætare]

@@synmer7104 why were they mentioned?

[@synmer7104]

@@ReginaCæliLætare The videos they both did on Apollo were unnecessarily rude and harassing for very innocent mistakes Apollo made. Apollo explained such to them, and even made clear that he was mentally in a near suicidal position, but they both decided to continue anyway.

[@IchHaba]

I'm actually still stunned, what a fucking degenerate one hit wonder pushes such a good KZbinr to death. Wow just wow

[@WilliamLucian]

If you watch the suicide video he made he never mentioned billy Mitchell, just Viper and some other channel.

[@TheL33T3L1T3]

The worst part of this entire thing is how Billy wears his tie outside his vest.

[@ErectedGasCan]

I thought i was the only one with bad enough ocd to notice that 🤣

[@jongyon7192p]

lol jokes aside, the worst part is billy drove someone to suicide and is now laughing at their death

[@Beakerbite]

Idk, to me it's the bird hair. It's not an accident that his hair forms a hood around his face, he's been styling it like that for decades.

[@ErectedGasCan]

@@Beakerbite In my eyes it looks as if he wears a hoodie all the time, with a un-naturally heavily starched hood. 😅

[@It_Was_The_Entity]

Billy Mitchell be like: "I am the gaming equivalent of cancer"

[@ciadarma]

@Flameraker48 yes, he isnt, but his lawsuit definitely is

[@hardworkingmf8445]

Be careful he might sue you lul

[@Metroid250]

The difference between cancer and Mitchell is I'd rather be with earlier than the latter

[@SpiffoGaming]

Not funny. My parents were killed by Billy Mitchell

[@KittAnimations]

@@hardworkingmf8445 What's he gonna sue us for? Free speech? LMAO

[@Foxwolfred]

It’s so weird that Rodgers claimed to have this amazing score but yet never would prove it on camera when asked and the few times he did he could barely get a score closed to it

[@pcachu]

The first rule of Lawfare, as tragically demonstrated by Apollo Legend: *The Process **_Is_** The Punishment.*

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

How so? Apollo didn't commit suicide because of the lawsuit. All things considered, why Apollo even settled in the first place to begin with? Billy had no case.

[@chrisk2740]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Obviously I'm no Apollo fan, he was a reprehensible person. But you could definitely argue a major lawsuit can play a huge part in someone's crippling depression. Even if his physical disease was the much bigger factor.

[@AviorGloria]

You really had to make the words bold for dramatic effect huh?

[@astutepuggle3274]

@@chrisk2740 wait, what did Apollo do that made him horrible? I'm really out of the loop

[@chrisk2740]

@@astutepuggle3274 He was generally a liar who manipulated facts and misrepresented things in very malicious ways. The most notable thing was when he played hardcore defense for an actually Nazi who got exposed and banned from GDQ, rwhitegoose. Apollo's misrepresentation of facts and commitment to "we all say bad stuff sometimes, he says he's changed, guys" was disgusting to say the least.

[@thunar1970]

The fact Karl just completely casually keeps calling him “Togers” is just hilarious to me.

[@spectre3671]

I giggled every time he casually says togers

[@EmilioFlores82]

Thought it was a mistake the first time on Karl's part. Should have known better.

[@blatantlyjohn6234]

😂😂

[@marshmellow9281]

Hold up. Let’s take a second to talk about Billy being fine with Apollo committing suicide. That’s far beyond being an overall prick, that’s just a sad, sad misguided man.

[@claytonreeves150]

People like that garbage are never men. They're little boys who never grew the fuck up.

[@jeremyhillaryboob4248]

He wasn’t ok with it He was happy about it What a worthless human being

[@Axisoflords]

That's not the actions of a sad, misguided man. It's a psychopath who revelled in Apollo's suicide, full knowing he was responsible for it. Just pure evil.

[@peak_trolling2729]

@@Axisoflords We need to reintroduce the death penalty. Not necessarily just for him but for many.

[@aro4457]

I didn’t support Apollo’s choices on things like EZScapes but man.... that level of disrespect

[@Rezver]

Some say that his quest to do a lawsuit 100% run still goes on.

[@raglock1433]

The fact that this guy ruined apollos life so much, that he took his own life.... pure evil i hope someone pushes back and he will face justice

[@synmer7104]

Just remember EZScape, And DarkViperAU also had a hand in it as well. They shouldn't be able to escape.

[@Dankleosteus]

I legit reciled when I herd that. Fuck Mitchell.

[@NekoNekonoTabiTabi]

Wait what apollo went away TF

[@TheForeverRanger]

@@NekoNekonoTabiTabi the stress from it caused him to take his own life

[@jojo6783f]

@@synmer7104 criticizing people is fine and should be allowed. It sadly was a part of pushing him over the edge but I think neither expected that outcome.

[@HollywoodHornet]

I like how our boy, Karl, keeps calling him Todgers after he misspelled his own name. Nice dig, Karl. You keep being you, you absolute legend.

[@NehNehNehNeh42]

I love how the engineer for Dragster literally TOLD Todd that his score was impossible, and Todd really hit him With the footage of 2:15 (ya know, I was really tuned in back then I can’t do it now, but I did do it) 🙄🙄

[@wnekuu]

It's 4:30 am, I have to work in 3.5h and I'm going down the rabbit hole with your videos about guys I never heard of before but it's so interesting!

[@lillyie]

Imagine being a lawyer, you handled serious cases like domestic violence, employee maltreatment, and so on then you see a guy suing other people because his high score in a video game got removed from the leaderboards

[@leramar]

The lawyers still get paid regardless. They probably think it will be a good change of pace.

[@zeked4200]

There are different types of lawyers...not every lawyer is a criminal defense/trial lawyer. There are lawyers who specialize in pretty much every area of Law that you could imagine...including for situations like this. I myself am very highly versed in "Bird Law"...so, if any of you need solid representation...

[@Anothet4]

Lawyers are scum

[@theobscurestash6537]

I think it's more sad that they don't care as long as there is money flowing, or that it's even allowed in the same arena as murder trials simply because it will keep a judge and their slimy cronies on vacation twice a year. These lawsuits, whether they win or not, are damaging innocent peoples lives financially, and potentially even ruining them, all for these asswipes ego trips, and lawyers are the POS middlemen that make that happen! They just don't care. Not even about the law...that's why they bend it for a living. Billy would make a great lawyer...unfortunately.

[@teresawright3620]

Lawyers are scum, special place in hell for them. They dont care if Billy Mitchell was suing a dolphin as long as the check clears

[@toastycakes5560]

mitchell really said he'd try not to smile or giggle at the news of apollo? huge yikes. that man truly is evil.

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

timestamp?

[@chrisbeach423]

Its sad what happened to Apollo Legend, we are all glad Karl is now “fighting the fight” for Apollo now. Karl will never give in to Billy. RIP Apollo Legend.

[@dash_naa2944]

I only just found out about that today, it's just so damn despicable that he could do that to someone and get away with it, I wonder if theres some way the community could band together and sue him over the loss of Apollo, get some retribution, but there probably is no legal standing on causing someone to go through all thay stress to the point of breakage. Either way, were going to miss you, Apollo, you were a damn good content creator and sounded like a hell of a guy

[@imanoljesusdelpozo4907]

I watched Apollo’s videos on Mitchel before they were deleted, it was devastating to hear that he had taken his own life. I just hope Karl comes out victorious out of all this, he is admirable for holding Apollo’s legacy himself, I truly admire him deeply.

[@toyjesus]

I had no idea he died until it was said in this video. Very saddening.

[@Jimmyvdpost]

It's sad. Really sad. But Apollo is not really the 'good guy' in the story either

[@cday131]

@@Jimmyvdpost No shit. He's a victim.

[@TheTSense]

Defamation lawsuits are almost impossible, as you need 3 things. 1) the person you are suing knew perfectly well the information was false, like they had evidence it was A and then went around and claimed B. 2) The Person actually caused some damage and 3) you know exactly how much damage it caused in US Dollar. In the first step, the Justice system is going to dig up all of YOUR files, and as the one who started the process, you can't do anything against that. Also, the other party will have access to these files too. Again, the party you are suing must have known it was wrong and they did it anyway, so the system needs to know what is actually true. If you are hiding anything, suing someone for defamation is the worst possible thing to do. Only in step 2 they are going to check if said party knew about it and ignored it.

[@deliriouszora]

Judge: "so what's your source on getting these records?" Todd: "my source is, trust me bro."

[@apa123APA]

"The human element, your honor."

[@markymark443]

He's like me when I was trying to write essays in middle school.

[@euthyphro4188]

Rogers and Mitchell *sue everyone for defamation* Karl: he wants to prove to everyone how big of a scumbag he is. Karl: biggest con in gaming. Karl: Togers Karl *is the hero we need right now*

[@CommissarMitch]

Todgers*

[@CrypticMantisTX55]

@@CommissarMitch why are you "correcting" it Todgers? The misspelling on the legal doc is Togers.

[@NeoArashi]

You mean he's the *Absolute Legend* we need.

[@mcanix]

@@CrypticMantisTX55 I’m guessing he’s riffing on Togers as todger is a real world and is slang for dick

[@23Scadu]

Feels like he's daring them. I wonder if they'll keep backing down.

[@_ArsNova]

Billy, and now Todd have managed to make themselves look even more sad and pathetic. They either have zero sense of shame or are just outright delusional about their own fraudulent high-scores. Why they feel the need to drag anyone else down with them that they can is beyond me.

[@The_Omegaman]

They are clinging to that one “achievement” in their life. Al Bundy syndrome.

[@Hotobu]

"The election was rigged"

[@migueeeelet]

@@The_Omegaman And this is why you don't cheat. Or if you cheat and are caught, you suck it up and leave with some dignity.

[@mitsukiisbae6753]

Guinness reinstated 3 of Mitchell's old records because they were set in live events on original arcade machines. Those records were placed back in their archives as former records. No other scores set by Mitchell were reinstated. He was rightly given back his recognition for his legitimate records because it was the right thing to do, not because Guinness were "strong-armed" or "afraid of a lawsuit".

[@retzky]

the Todd Togers thing is just too funny

[@jovindsouza3407]

*the Todd Togers thing tis rust too tunny

[@xexpaguette]

@@jovindsouza3407 **the Todd Togers thing tis tust too tunny

[@VileNature]

Referring to him as Togers after revealing the typo is the kind of subtle humor I come back for

[@exxor9108]

I'd personally hold Billy Mitchel accountable for Apollo Legend's death. He drove someone else to suicide, and he's no longer a decent human being for it.

[@trees4491]

was he ever a decent human being?

[@exxor9108]

@@trees4491 Probably not.

[@damp8277]

I just cant see him not as a giant floating head. Thanks Regular Show

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

To me he's just a shit Peter Dinklage impersonator.

[@DurradonXylles]

Here's what gets me about these two continually going after people and trying to get their scores reinstated: if they actually succeed in everything, including getting all of their scores back up on Guinness and Twin Galaxies, _then what?_ Their records in a few books and websites, and they'd be scores that would be considered illegitimate by everyone they once appealed to. They'd still be despised by any retro gamers, speedrunners, and high score runners that would care to remember them, and the only way newer people coming into these communities would learn their names would be out of scorn, not celebration. They wouldn't be invited to retro gaming conventions or events anymore, and they'd likely be outright barred from most of them. They'd be remembered in minor infamy for the rest of their living days, and after they die their scores would likely get pulled again since I doubt their wives or any of the rest of their loved ones would go to court in their posthumous behalf (if for no other reason than undue stress from public pushback). All they'd have left is false glory and a poisoned legacy.

[@Thagesthoughts]

At the end of the day, that's their legacy: standing proud atop a kingdom they burned to the ground in their desperation to retain their crowns, the earth salted and wells poisoned. But that's not what matters to them. For Todd, this was his peak as a human being and it's all he has to hang his pride on after settling into a life of unexceptional mediocrity. For Billy, his overwhelming ego won't allow him to consider not being the best, probably because he never got over being bullied in high school and remains eternally developmentally-arrested at 16 like most people who behave the way he does. I hope it's all worth it when they're on their death beds and, faced with their impending mortality, realize they wasted their lives and ruined others' raging over numbers on an internet page that collects records on how good you push buttons in a video game.

[@blamberton7893]

It's not that deep, they built their identities around this for 30+ years, this is unwanted change for them so they're pushing back.

[@blamberton7893]

@@Thagesthoughts you're more pretentious than Billy lmao

[@Thagesthoughts]

@@blamberton7893 I might be a pretentious asshole, but I've never gotten someone killed or filed a lawsuit because someone said mean things to me on the internet. Especially not over fake scores on a video game.

[@blamberton7893]

@@Thagesthoughts he never got anyone killed, that's melodramatic bs that's definitely going to come up in billy's next round of lawsuits. KZbinrs wanted to be taken seriously, now the courts are like "okay, welcome to journalism". Cartoon network got away because Simpson's and South park paved the precedence for parody. Jobst won't. Apollo didn't or he wouldn't have settled. But sure, fan the fake outrage over game scores some more. Billy's loving it.

[@theEisbergmann]

I can see it clearly. A 15 year old steps into the court:" Yes I've seen Rogers attain his World Record in 198x"

[@rishin5622]

Finally a place where I can be called a legend while I am eating crisps and sinking into my couch

[@ScarletRebel96]

Finally a spot i can drink a beer at 6:30 in the morning and not be called trash

[@Gordonshumway86]

@@ScarletRebel96 Miller time

[@fengshuimma9160]

If only he’d use the drive he has, to grind games instead of lawsuits, he might actually hold a world record 🤷🏽

[@Anonymous-pm7jf]

Imagine the people who were 2nd on the leaderboards this whole time who missed out on the fame and glory because of these cheats.

[@lyndza1989]

no kidding... cant stand a cheater

[@maybelikealittlebit]

They should counter sue for loss of potential earnings, etc. What a complete loser Billy is. Sucks at video games and can’t even take it on the chin. 🤦‍♀️

[@kingtracek7571]

I mean, the next person under Rogers in Dragster also claimed a 5.51. He wasn't the only cheater at Twin Galaxies. XD

[@Max465]

So it should be noted that while billy Mitchel is a lying cheating terrible manchild, he was in fact...pretty good at Kong. His initial record was legit and something he earned. The one that got him that initial 18 years of solo fame and glory. What he actually cheated on was his breaking one million. Twin Galaxies has a no tolerance policy so they stripped him of all his records, but his older achievements are all legit. That's honestly part of what makes him awful. He already had legitimate status in the community. But he threw it all away because he was a greedy asshole who wanted more.

[@maybelikealittlebit]

@@Max465 ah yes I forgot I knew that about him and you’re right it does make him an even more horrible person. Fame and power corrupts I guess.

[@Voidrune]

I... I never found out Apollo took his own life. I really liked his content and I’m so upset now.

[@morrbydick5957]

same, his videos on speedrunning were the first i ever found and now i watch several runners, he got me into the game, this legit grinds my gears. someone should sue mitchell for something...

[@M-I-LK]

Neither did I. I'm kinda pissed rn

[@lonkzelda7871]

@@morrbydick5957He passes the mark of scumbag.

[@The_Nametag]

Me either. Wow. And I didn't think I could dislike Billy Mitchell more. There is no depths to which he will not sink it seems.

[@bargaintuesday812]

You....you don't have to type like this.

[@giantclaw138]

We need to somehow get Todgers and Mitchell to sue each other. That should keep them busy

[@KCCKirby]

I wanted to say I respect you so much for removing the portion about Apollo's passing. I know was hard and Billy's video he posted was dumb. Hell, he said they reached a settlement, flashed a folded paper. Makes me think of the "Arcade Board swap" for DK and DKJr. Billy may have driven Apollo to what happened, even if money wasn't spilled.

[@jebus4261]

"If I had a revolver with 2 bullets and I was in a room with Hitler and Billy Mitchell, I'd shoot Hitler twice so I can beat Billy Mitchell to death with my bear hands" -some guy

[@David_Ace_Rej_Ollsan]

Or just shoot togers in the kneecaps

[@armchairdan]

@@David_Ace_Rej_Ollsan I know they look like kneecaps, but those are actually his chins.

[@KetsubanSolo]

I was going to correct your spelling but BEAR HANDS sounds more primal lmao

[@dnielzcx5490]

@@KetsubanSolo i mean. even i wont dare mess with "some guy" after hearing about his bear hands

[@transqueen]

Shoot Hitler in both kneecaps so he can't escape while you beat Billy, then beat Hitler.

[@RADkate]

its so fucking sad what happend to Apollo, even if he did some stupid stuff he still was a genuine guy who cared

[@TheLastAshbringer]

RIP Apollo

[@ZXL000]

Yeah.

[@Sodier402]

Yeah from his purposefully misleading people about his white supremacist friend, and then sending his fans to harass a guy who called him out for it to his outright slandering organizers of GDQ he really was a genuine guy I miss his videos.

[@twistedgwazi5727]

Can someone explain what happened to him I'm out of the loop

[@ItsNitroBS]

@@twistedgwazi5727 Sadly after dealing with a lot of physical and mental issues he took his life. It's a very sad story, but you can investigate more about it online.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

What's craziest to me is how hard these 2 are fighting over their video game records. The games themselves are very old and niche. Why fight so hard over a record that barely anyone cares about?

[@Obsidian8R]

that's why these lawsuits are so stupid

[@SentinalhMC]

Because its literally the only thing Mitchell has ever "accomplished" in his entire life

[@PissedGrunty]

Because it really isn't about the games. The records gave them a degree of fame, fortune and power. Their type is never able to handle lose of power or any questioning of their lies. They sue with the intent to harm, not win.

[@adaobas]

to try and make an easy buck I think... as the video stated, it worked in the past so they keep using old strategies to bully and make money... Also, as someone said up here, these 'records' gave them (specially Mitchell) a good amount of fame and fortune

[@TensaZangetsu1200]

Their own inflated egos.

[@BladeCrossEXE]

Get ready for war, Karl. I just saw Billy's response video to this. Hang in there, man!