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[@bane2201]

The fact that Billy Mitchell is responsible for Apollo Legend going into debt - which was a factor in his suicide - is INFURIATING.

[@calamorta]

The fact US justice system actually forced a random internet teen (my mistake, apparently apollo wasn't that young) to pay him money is such a comedy edit: technically he didn't lose it, but still had to pay lawyers and so on. Justice truly is built to protect the wealthier.

[@kaylanbuyukcetin5274]

"Billy Mitchell is responsible for... his suicide" Fixed that for you. I think, in my opinion, it was the main factor.

[@zxGHOSTr]

@Stellvia Hoenheim Shocked me too to hear about his death... was thinking the same about the uploads.

[@vedaryan334]

Don't think so . He had other issues too.

[@lonewolffang]

I didn't even know. Damn shame.😔 Mitchell is only worried about his ego being bruised. May he rest peacefully.

[@CriticalNobody]

Todd Togers is actually the evil twin brother of Rogers and all of this is an elaborate setup to ruin him. That’s my canon.

[@Eurynomos326]

Someone needs to make a Todd Rogers vs Rodd Togers cut like the Roe Jogan ones. Also, where I'm from a Todger is a part of the male anatomy. Not to mention, Rodd.

[@Prawnsly]

Does anyone remember the Captain Todger sketch from Mitchel and Webb?

[@cwp24]

Talk about a hilarious fail on his part. 😂

[@alkaupadhyay7650]

Todd howard

[@Shorty_Hutch]

As long as he stays away from our beloved splinter cell..

[@literallyshaking8019]

If Todd Rodgers is “Todgers” does that mean Billy Mitchell is “Bitchell”? 🤔

[@davinarose2876]

Nice! 😂

[@thatonecrazykobold1729]

trust me he IS a Bitchell

[@GPotatoGD]

That was clever

[@cptredhorse5156]

Yes. Yes it does 🤣

[@wyx7714]

Yes.. Yes. YES

[@here4good]

"I sued them. Not just the men... but the women and children too"

[@chlebu955]

Nice job youve got a heart from the legend himself!

[@sir3127]

Nice reference my buddy

[@fedbar]

I heard he has also sued the unborn (this is a joke)

[@sir3127]

@@fedbar glad you explained, you were about to trigger a hundred people rn 🤣

[@aoshi9254]

@@fedbar Thanks for explaining that it was a joke, I was about to type a 420 paragraph essay about why you are a bad person for saying something online about someone else which was very rude and everyone would be mad. Nobody could had ever realized that that was a joke. It's so good to the point were I took it seriously and was about to sue you for a random comment you made online just because of a joke, but I changed my mind all thanks to your comment saying (this is a joke). By the way, (This isn't a joke). I seriously believed that you should be arrested for doing something as bad as this.

[@KrinkelsNG]

I enjoyed you calling him Togers for the duration. Very nice.

[@Apnael]

Man love your work, keep being awesome.

[@needamorecreativename]

I thought it was funny and cool. I also enjoyed it

[@rinzler9171]

Madness

[@shadowx2229]

Never thought I'd see you here

[@bundo13]

Isn't Todger slang for a donger in British English as well? lmao

[@vladimir8891]

Holy shit, I didn't know Apollo died. That's fucking horrible.

[@sparkychan123]

@@DonutPyro when you feel like you're trapped and have no other choice, you tend to do that.... but if it hadn't been for Billy's threats, I HIGHLY doubt he ever would've gone through with it.

[@Sanyo201]

@@DonutPyro What is wrong with you?

[@tulipelily9373]

I didn't know either... I'm heartbroken wow

[@papabones8753]

IKR? I heard about it a while ago, still feels kinda unreal, he was the first person I found talking about speedrunning ages ago and he's sorely missed.

[@davidwhidden9337]

@@DonutPyro Hey man. When you go, I hope you go happy and not drowning in yourself pity.

[@geegee2925]

Imagine playing a part in bullying someone to their death and then celebrating. There’s being a bad dude and then there’s Billy Mitchell.

[@Mrcake0103]

Holy shit. I literally just found out that Apollo’s dead.

[@jongyon7192p]

Billy even caused him to commit suicide

[@crabking3525]

Yeah I was about to comment that he literally sued a dead guy.

[@Fusion4687]

I did too how are these lawsuits going thrue?🥺😖

[@metalghostT4E]

@@jongyon7192p believe it or not, this is actually a crime and can be charged with manslaughter for this

[@balzache]

Hearing about Billy Mitchell holding back "giggles" from pushing a man to suicide makes "World Record for Biggest Piece of Shit" a more appropriate title then any of the records he's clearly cheated on.....

[@ryanong3517]

He's the longest record holder for that.

[@davidwarford3087]

I just want to point out that these were ENTIRLY separate occasions. Him celebrating his death was a false alarm long before Apollo killed himself. Still horrible but nothing to do with suicide.

[@projectpitchfork860]

@@davidwarford3087 He still was happy about the false assumption of somebody having commited suicide.

[@propheinx2250]

As much as I want to agree, there's yet still bigger pieces of shit out there. Just like EA isn't actually the worst company in America, there are worse people than Billy Mitchell.

[@stephenheffren4324]

"King of C***s"

[@AidanWR]

Shout-out to repeatedly calling him "Togers" after bringing up that he misspelled his name

[@MikeandKatieShow]

I was going to comment on this. Was so subtle but hilarious.

[@techaid1940]

@@MikeandKatieShow indeed XD

[@cubegame]

Every time he says togers I smile

[@ElronHumpperdink]

I didn’t even notice it like I should’ve til I read this and stopped scrolling... lol it’s funny for sure.

[@Nysyarc]

Karl's legendary deadpan delivery was the icing on the cake of every "Togers" too. Had me chuckling.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"Judge declares Billy Mitchel is "not a giant floating head" contrary to popular belief." Best headline subtitle ever.

[@CLOYO]

His head is too small for that (and it's contents)

[@TempDevil]

so wait dude isn't kaos from skylanders?

[@georgesracingcar7701]

cheezemonkeyeater. Best name ever.

[@EnforcerX71]

Everyone knows William Shatner is the only Big Giant Head.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

@@georgesracingcar7701 My name is literally the username equivalent of a shitpost, because I initially got this account to be a troll when I was young, dumb, and ugly and couldn't be bothered to make a new account now that I'm slightly older, modestly less dumb, and moderately more ugly. But I'm glad it amuses someone.

[@CYMotorsport]

Mate. “Togers” got a giggle EVERY second time. Great call there 😂

[@CommissarMitch]

Rod Togers is at it again.

[@paulbailey5087]

Toggers

[@selvamantony5711]

@@paulbailey5087 Poggers

[@cyborgste]

Oh hey cranky yanky, nice to see you here.

[@keryst]

When he said Togers at 6:35 I lost it and had to rewind. Missed 30 seconds from cracking up.

[@MrTheMasterX]

I don't have the nicest things to say about Apollo, but saying "I will try my hardest not to smile or giggle," because the guy that had habitually mocked you whom you indebted with a bogus lawsuit *committed suicide* is genuinely sociopathic. What a piece of trash.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

I thought Mitchell was a con artist and a loser... Now I think he's an absolute piece of shit and I wish him bad things because he deserves them.

[@phishphan49]

Finally a reasonable take

[@ZSpieg]

What did Apollo do?

[@phishphan49]

@@ZSpieg blamed ezscape and darkviperAU for his decision after being adamant about denying help prior to his departure. It's pretty shitty to put that evil on innocent people that you wrongly attacked...

[@user-hp6pj4sy3k]

What I'm wondering is why did Apollo even settle with Billy Mitchell? I remember he posted the video about Billy's lawsuit, then set up a Gofundme, and he was able to raise enough money to counter-sue Billy pretty quickly. And he probably would have won the lawsuit-Billy had no case and Apollo had plenty of allies. Very sad. Hopefully Karl Jobst's lawsuit will teach Billy a lesson.

[@taipenn2358]

Todd Rogers: Prepare for trouble. Todd Togers: And make it double.

[@ZachNarwhal]

*Rodd Togers

[@burntpyromaniak6413]

@@ZachNarwhal *Rog Todders

[@joshhodkinson9305]

Team Focket

[@tomoda7602]

LMAO

[@xexpaguette]

@@burntpyromaniak6413 Rug Titters

[@idkman-rr3bm]

Billy Mitchell is such a sad man. Getting a high score 30 years ago is literally his life achievement and he can't move on.

[@Chill_Valentine]

Those scores are his entire brand, how he markets his barbecue sauce, why people even know that exists etc. Not defending Mitchell because he’s absolutely a fraud, but I can definitely see why he’d so ardently fight to make his fake scores legitimate.

[@gressorialNanites]

Also, apparently fighting for those scores has been nothing but bad press and good money for him. That's a trade many would go for.

[@dans4635]

hes 100%a gigantic fucking loser, he has no life clearly

[@paradoxzee6834]

At least Mitchell have a score on a well knowed game. What does Todd Rogers have? A perfect time on a game that no one cared back than and even less now

[@kevinf8439]

Wrong. He achieved no high score. He achieved nothing.

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

Regular Show really knew what they were doing when they parodied Billy Mitchell in one of their episodes!

[@danielarputharaj9918]

Never watched it, looks hilarious to see that jackass memed to shit

[@slygamer136]

@@danielarputharaj9918 to sum it up, the blue jay (mordecai) and raccoon (rigby) beat the ever loving shit out of everyone on that game, shooting for the universe record until Garrett bobby Ferguson (the big head parodying mitchell) confronts them and tells them he has that record, convincing the crowd enough to ignore mordecai and rigby and respect gbf, so the two of them challenge him in a round that ends with him pleading in sympathy for them to forefeit since the score is all gbf has, they do, but he lied and destroys their pride and respect in turn until the bros realize they have an extra life, trying to both beat the record and keep away gbf, thus kicking him in the nuts, winning all the respect, and gbf exploding into goo lol. Just watch 'high score', my explanation doesnt do this justice

[@danielarputharaj9918]

@@slygamer136 sounds amazing

[@amberdeyuliis7886]

Damn I forgot about that episode

[@GAshoneybear]

The thing is if Mitchell had kept his mouth shut, most viewers wouldn't have known that and just thought of it as a funny design. I would guess that 70% of Regular Show viewers had never even heard of Billy Mitchell when they watched it.

[@thenarrator6846]

Karl: "Billy Mitchel still exists." Me: "What?!" Karl: "There's more." Me: "No..."

[@kerbe3]

This is Billy Mitchel Dear god There's more No

[@miu4826]

Rick grimes : KARWLL

[@Przymiot]

Same. I used to follow the whole thing closely but stopped once he took down the videos. Had no idea about this, very mindblown right now

[@crittersandmore6918]

Its FIREBLASTER! and it's totally tubular!

[@SuperJumpBros]

Me: He looks like the Guy from Pixels who also cheated on Donkey Kong....... Wait

[@demounit]

The fact that you keep calling him Togers is killing me

[@nukadraco9942]

I mean, he called himself that so i dont blame him

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Disappointed we didn't get Bitchell for Billy Mitchell. It was right there

[@nukadraco9942]

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn Silly Bitchel

[@salmon85]

todger, slang for penis :D

[@someguy34hnt]

Now all we need is Bimmy Mitchell (Y'know? Bimmy And Jimmy? Double Dragon 3? lol)

[@mechatyrants6218]

The saddest possible life is suing everyone in sight for saying you didn't hold a Donkey Kong world record 30 years ago.

[@IMaRUPG]

especially when you faked the record lol

[@t.dmattocks6119]

Not to mention killing someone over it. Dudes a monster.

[@bradydavis5791]

I mean, life could get sadder than that....

[@Bruteforce765]

@@bradydavis5791 it can t get more pathetic

[@IMaRUPG]

@@bradydavis5791 its an expression mate, calm down

[@Guitarman1275]

As an attorney, I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this video. And misspelling your client's name in the complaint might be the most embarrassing thing a lawyer can do. I am genuinely gobsmacked at this lawsuit. Genuinely sanctionable.

[@fatfr0g570]

@@JuliusCaesar888 Yeah, I don’t know any 14 year old attorneys. Even assuming they haven’t updated their channel description since it’s creation 13 years ago, 27 years old is astonishingly young for an attorney, almost unbelievably so.

[@liamcdm3689]

@@fatfr0g570 Is it though? One would be 25 by the time they graduated law school and by 26 they'd most likely be in practice.

[@testerwulf3357]

@@fatfr0g570 27 is a very normal starting age for one.

[@PartnershipsForYou]

Todd Togers, bro

[@Guitarman1275]

@@fatfr0g570 Hah it is quite normal to be a practicing attorney in one's mid-to-late 20s. Most folks graduate law school around 25-26.

[@L1me]

Todd Togers is actually not a misspelling of his name. It's just the way the name comes out when you start typing in second gear.

[@NintendoSunnyDee]

33 likes ain't enough

[@ClebyHerris]

I feel like it’s an actual technique that suing a person has. If they get backed into a corner they point to the name and say it wasn’t me. Or if it is dumb just go “nah wasn’t me”

[@ausaskar]

We call it the "human element".

[@jackjohnson9055]

@@ClebyHerris I mean it's going to be hard to claim if he shows up to the courthouse and tries to go through with it

[@ClebyHerris]

@@jackjohnson9055 no like if it’s a bad argument he can just say it isn’t his

[@OmoiSenpai]

Yo what? Apollo Took his own life?! Where the hell was I at? Damn, that sucks =/

[@DragonMals]

Yeah...

[@AncapOtaku]

i was shocked as well i knew billy was a terrible man i didn't know he was a total scumbag tho

[@OmoiSenpai]

@@AncapOtaku For real. It's really strikes me that he was such a head in the speedrunning community for those videos, but when he did what he did 4 months ago, like, I didn't hear a word or anything for the most part. Screw Billy Mitchel for real though.

[@Astronic]

Did Apollo the speed runner kill himself?! Because of the law suits??

[@midnight-fox7456]

@@Astronic While it wasn't the only reason, Billy's lawsuit forced Apollo to take a massive debt in the bank, leading to money problems. This, combined with his already deteriorating health and smaller youtube dramas, is what finally broke him, which made Apollo commit suicide.

[@ProBotGamming]

I can’t believe that Todd exposed his true identity, Todd Togers.

[@Akairi]

He misspelled it... His true name is *R O D D T O G E R S*

[@Muffinracker]

TOGERS ROD

[@coldisthevoid6605]

@@Muffinracker DOR SOGERT

[@Shrek_Has_Covid19]

TOD TOGERS

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Legend has it that he cheated and stole the real Todd Rogers name.

[@marshalmathers5669]

Klassy Karl is such a professional. Despite all of the "human element's" temper tantrums, Karl still shows proper respect and addresses him by his preferred legal name of "Mr. Togers" throughout the entire video.

[@SofterSocks]

Karl's truly a humble legend.

[@CalebTRBLX]

The fact that after talking about Todd Rodgers lawsuit where he misspelled his name he called him Todgers for the rest of the video, absolute legend lol

[@BrenTenkage]

it also protects him, since if Rodgers decides to sue him for reporting this, he can't be sued since he is talking about "Todd Todgers" who is on the form

[@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068]

@@BrenTenkage Ye, that's not how it works :P

[@BrenTenkage]

@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068 oh I know, its just funny

[@brianbernstein3826]

"I will do my best not to smile or giggle." Billy writes this in response to Apollo's suicide? Pure. Evil.

[@switchthornsandroses440]

This man is not allowed to live anymore

[@reversal]

6:33 “It does state that Togers” you got me rolling Karl 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-dh3kq8wp4h]

whats up checkmark

[@stonefacewiththedrip3377]

@@user-dh3kq8wp4h updog

[@Irumaes]

@@user-dh3kq8wp4h please shut up....

[@DM-qd7gw]

@@stonefacewiththedrip3377 whats updog?

[@molagbal1904]

I knew I didn't misheard. Brilliant.

[@XarmenKarshov]

I just realized, Billy's new lawsuit against Karl is being prepared a week before his birthday. I know it's most likely not going to happen beforehand, but I would want nothing more than to see Billy's birthday present being shutdown after decades of lying.

[@un-for-given]

Billy be like: "Yo Togers, come sue people with me so I don't look like a dumbass."

[@ebofthechill8008]

"Got you fam..... so what are you wearin-" *billy hangs up*

[@rockstar-5934]

This comment is underrated.

[@javierrodrigo1009]

Now they both look like dumbasses 😎

[@TheGleely]

I guess the defendants ARE his little togchamps

[@ultimatesquatchington]

I'm honestly wondering if Mitchell came talked him into doing and offered to pay his legal fees.

[@TheZetaKai]

Billy Mitchell is an IRL supervillain: petty, monomaniacal, and heartless. Todd Togers is more like a supervillain's bumbling flunky, the kind of mook that ruins his master's plans through his own incompetence, who would be sad if he wasn't detestably amusing.

[@FuelYourFocus]

Mimsy!!!

[@mandalorian_guy]

He is kind of like Otis from the Superman movie.

[@RedArremer]

In this case, Todd actually helped Billy by being the 'referee' that verified his 1.067 million DK score. The one we have no full video of, and only show-off demos from Billy (that reveal MAME screen drawing routines anyway).

[@Hibernial]

That’s...a good summary after having watched up videos on both of them. I still can’t wrap my head around why holding a fake record is such a big deal to these guys, but maybe it’s really not about that at all. It’s just a tool to push others around with.

[@RedArremer]

@@Hibernial They made a lot of money, but more so was the prestige of being 'worshipped' as gods in their minds.

[@D2ezbmu]

Huge shoutout and a RIP to Apollo Legend for being the original person bringing this to KZbin light.

[@infeinfe]

Yeah... He got cornered by some lawsuits and had to make an agrement with mitchel.

[@THEDisneyNerd]

What happened to him? Was one of my fav youtubers

[@eugenehatin.420]

@@THEDisneyNerd committed suicide

[@mr.funnyman9765]

He was a bitch but Billy should NOT have won

[@THEDisneyNerd]

@@eugenehatin.420 I just got towards the end of the video, I am so saddened to hear this 😔

[@MillywiggZ]

“Todgers” If he just went by the word above as one word he has speed runned his own name at least.

[@julien2983]

I thought "legitimately evil" was an exaggeration until I saw his response to Apollo taking his own life. I don't even care about the records, that's just despicable.

[@lawuploadsonceinabluemoon9913]

"If you want to become legitimately good at something, unlike the subjects of this video..." The shade, I love it so much

[@Voidling242]

The subjects in this video are legitimately good at filing frivolous lawsuits.

[@BeepBoopBee]

Ikr. That segway to the sponsor part was brilliant 😂

[@chrisbeach423]

Its sad what happened to Apollo Legend, we are all glad Karl is now “fighting the fight” for Apollo now. Karl will never give in to Billy. RIP Apollo Legend.

[@dash_naa2944]

I only just found out about that today, it's just so damn despicable that he could do that to someone and get away with it, I wonder if theres some way the community could band together and sue him over the loss of Apollo, get some retribution, but there probably is no legal standing on causing someone to go through all thay stress to the point of breakage. Either way, were going to miss you, Apollo, you were a damn good content creator and sounded like a hell of a guy

[@imanoljesusdelpozo4907]

I watched Apollo’s videos on Mitchel before they were deleted, it was devastating to hear that he had taken his own life. I just hope Karl comes out victorious out of all this, he is admirable for holding Apollo’s legacy himself, I truly admire him deeply.

[@toyjesus]

I had no idea he died until it was said in this video. Very saddening.

[@Jimmyvdpost]

It's sad. Really sad. But Apollo is not really the 'good guy' in the story either

[@cday131]

@@Jimmyvdpost No shit. He's a victim.

[@pcachu]

The first rule of Lawfare, as tragically demonstrated by Apollo Legend: *The Process **_Is_** The Punishment.*

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

How so? Apollo didn't commit suicide because of the lawsuit. All things considered, why Apollo even settled in the first place to begin with? Billy had no case.

[@chrisk2740]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Obviously I'm no Apollo fan, he was a reprehensible person. But you could definitely argue a major lawsuit can play a huge part in someone's crippling depression. Even if his physical disease was the much bigger factor.

[@AviorGloria]

You really had to make the words bold for dramatic effect huh?

[@astutepuggle3274]

@@chrisk2740 wait, what did Apollo do that made him horrible? I'm really out of the loop

[@chrisk2740]

@@astutepuggle3274 He was generally a liar who manipulated facts and misrepresented things in very malicious ways. The most notable thing was when he played hardcore defense for an actually Nazi who got exposed and banned from GDQ, rwhitegoose. Apollo's misrepresentation of facts and commitment to "we all say bad stuff sometimes, he says he's changed, guys" was disgusting to say the least.

[@ImCarpet]

I've been a fan of Apollo Legend for a long time. I wondered why he hasn't uploaded in a while and when you said he took his own life my heart stopped.. I had no idea. That's seriously heartbreaking. I already hated Billy Mitchell, but now I can't even express how much I hate him.. what a terrible fucking person. I'm so sad now. RIP Apollo Legend

[@cw2002]

Yep, I had to rewind and listen to it again to make sure it was AL he was talking about. Can't believe it! I wonder what Iillness he had. Very sad.

[@MrMars-sx3db]

You should see the comments of his latest video. So many trolls and Billy Mitchell bootlickers endlessly bad-mouthing him

[@ImCarpet]

@@MrMars-sx3db Yes I've seen.. Some kid was even posting videos making fun of his death. So disgusting and just sad tbh

[@V-for-Vendetta01]

there is a good amount to unpack here. i was similarly angered by karl's video. i have always and will continue to hate mitchell. but the implication that billy was ultimately responsible for apollo's suicide is far fetched and so is the claim that he had to pay mitchell money for settlement (no proof of this yet; mitchell claims he has papers backing up the fact that no transaction had occured, but mitchell is a compulsive liar and i take his words with a grain of salt). unfortunately, mitchell has latched on to the this very sentiment and wants to sue jobst for these 'defamatory' claims which is derailing the entire course of action. mitchell must have most likely seen that a better case would be if he could prove that there was no transaction between him and apollo; hence he wants to proceed with this 'lawsuit' rather than the donkey kong one which he is 100% destined to lose. jobst should have been a little more careful while throwing those words as there was no real proof pointing towards any cash settlement.

[@rangergxi]

The suicide video cites chronic pain and his friends betraying him as the main reason. Billy laughed about it, but did not cause it.

[@asdfhklljfztvvw3686]

If it's a good judge he will rule: "Togers Integrity shall be reinstated, Rogers however is declared a fraud. BAM!"

[@i69GrzzlyBears]

Billy Mitchell legitimately said that he would try not to smile or giggle at Apollo's suicide simply because he was exposed for cheating at a video game. Truly pathetic man.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Except Billy's comment was from BEFORE Apollo's actual death, but it's still a massive dipshit move.

[@fivefierce8754]

@@ChiefMedicPururu Doesn't matter if it's before or after, even if you are under a false assumption it's still your genuine feelings. Believing someone has passed and expressing joy, and someone actually passing and expressing joy, are fundamentally the same thing.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@fivefierce8754 Hence the "Still a massive dipshit move" in my comment.

[@RedArremer]

@@ChiefMedicPururu Hence Five Fierce saying it doesn't matter about the "Except" part.

[@charcoal4742]

The fact that Billy's official statement/video (which btw everyone should save it cause theres a good chance he'll delete it) only talks about how no money was exchanged between the two and doesn't even mention him laughing about apollo's death is sickening

[@RashFaustinho]

I didn't knew about Billy's statements about Apollo after his death. What a jerk :( EDIT: Turns out those comments were old (they were about a fake news in 2018 before Apollo's real passing away). Still, very bad taste.

[@Jacob-eg3kv]

Well he was one of the ones who murdered him so... Yet this dude is still not in prison.

[@vaultdestroyer4473]

@@Jacob-eg3kv not murdered but I wish it was considered murder so that he could put behind bars till the day he dies rotting away knowing that people will never respect him and that he'll never get out

[@IanBPPK]

@@Jacob-eg3kv it's not murder, but the vexatious litigation and following settlement definitely was contributory to his decision to commit suicide. In any case, Billy's remarks are detestable indeed. I hope he gets a vexatious litigant hold placed on him for his cases, like many copyright and patent trolls eventually get if not jailed. The level at which someone would be completely culpable for the death is where the person would be in a position of trust or influence, e.g. as a girlfriend, such that them telling the victim to kill themselves would be enough to make them go through with it.

[@eltiolavara9]

@@IanBPPK i don't want to talk about this like i have any knowledge of the subject, but in apollo legend's final video where he's just talking into the camera, he stated physical pain that kept getting worse as his main reason EDIT: nevermind, billy mitchell played a direct part in his death

[@eltiolavara9]

update: man i should've watched more of the video, fuck billy mitchell

[@TheL33T3L1T3]

The worst part of this entire thing is how Billy wears his tie outside his vest.

[@ErectedGasCan]

I thought i was the only one with bad enough ocd to notice that 🤣

[@jongyon7192p]

lol jokes aside, the worst part is billy drove someone to suicide and is now laughing at their death

[@Beakerbite]

Idk, to me it's the bird hair. It's not an accident that his hair forms a hood around his face, he's been styling it like that for decades.

[@ErectedGasCan]

@@Beakerbite In my eyes it looks as if he wears a hoodie all the time, with a un-naturally heavily starched hood. 😅

[@DrakonisOrdo]

"It does state that Togers has suffered..." "Togers implies..." I love how you switched over to calling him "Togers." Thats his name now. Is it really his last name? Well, its as real as his Dragster score.

[@jtdHenk]

It took a couple of Togers before i heard it......

[@klaushammer8687]

Actually there is not evidence in favor of Togers being his name vs the high score. See, there's actually written documentation.

[@willyeeton4390]

Hey, the man himself said it was Togers, who are we to argue? "And if a man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, goddammit, this is a free country, you should respect his wishes and call the man Muhammad Ali!"

[@YTDeepshock]

He IS a Todger.

[@DurradonXylles]

Here's what gets me about these two continually going after people and trying to get their scores reinstated: if they actually succeed in everything, including getting all of their scores back up on Guinness and Twin Galaxies, _then what?_ Their records in a few books and websites, and they'd be scores that would be considered illegitimate by everyone they once appealed to. They'd still be despised by any retro gamers, speedrunners, and high score runners that would care to remember them, and the only way newer people coming into these communities would learn their names would be out of scorn, not celebration. They wouldn't be invited to retro gaming conventions or events anymore, and they'd likely be outright barred from most of them. They'd be remembered in minor infamy for the rest of their living days, and after they die their scores would likely get pulled again since I doubt their wives or any of the rest of their loved ones would go to court in their posthumous behalf (if for no other reason than undue stress from public pushback). All they'd have left is false glory and a poisoned legacy.

[@Thagesthoughts]

At the end of the day, that's their legacy: standing proud atop a kingdom they burned to the ground in their desperation to retain their crowns, the earth salted and wells poisoned. But that's not what matters to them. For Todd, this was his peak as a human being and it's all he has to hang his pride on after settling into a life of unexceptional mediocrity. For Billy, his overwhelming ego won't allow him to consider not being the best, probably because he never got over being bullied in high school and remains eternally developmentally-arrested at 16 like most people who behave the way he does. I hope it's all worth it when they're on their death beds and, faced with their impending mortality, realize they wasted their lives and ruined others' raging over numbers on an internet page that collects records on how good you push buttons in a video game.

[@blamberton7893]

It's not that deep, they built their identities around this for 30+ years, this is unwanted change for them so they're pushing back.

[@blamberton7893]

@@Thagesthoughts you're more pretentious than Billy lmao

[@Thagesthoughts]

@@blamberton7893 I might be a pretentious asshole, but I've never gotten someone killed or filed a lawsuit because someone said mean things to me on the internet. Especially not over fake scores on a video game.

[@blamberton7893]

@@Thagesthoughts he never got anyone killed, that's melodramatic bs that's definitely going to come up in billy's next round of lawsuits. KZbinrs wanted to be taken seriously, now the courts are like "okay, welcome to journalism". Cartoon network got away because Simpson's and South park paved the precedence for parody. Jobst won't. Apollo didn't or he wouldn't have settled. But sure, fan the fake outrage over game scores some more. Billy's loving it.

[@marshmellow9281]

Hold up. Let’s take a second to talk about Billy being fine with Apollo committing suicide. That’s far beyond being an overall prick, that’s just a sad, sad misguided man.

[@claytonreeves150]

People like that garbage are never men. They're little boys who never grew the fuck up.

[@jeremyhillaryboob4248]

He wasn’t ok with it He was happy about it What a worthless human being

[@Axisoflords]

That's not the actions of a sad, misguided man. It's a psychopath who revelled in Apollo's suicide, full knowing he was responsible for it. Just pure evil.

[@peak_trolling2729]

@@Axisoflords We need to reintroduce the death penalty. Not necessarily just for him but for many.

[@aro4457]

I didn’t support Apollo’s choices on things like EZScapes but man.... that level of disrespect

[@mikethetowns]

'"-and I'm now of the opinion he is legitimately evil" - Karl Jobst' should be added to the cover of any future King of Kong physical copies haha.

[@fordxbgtfalcon]

This is so funny because he will forever be known as “Todd Togers” for the remainder of history.

[@Panzer_Runner]

Surprised he didn't spell his own name Rodd Togers

[@badfdsify]

David Race is such a genuinely nice guy and is so talented at Pac man. Every time I catch his stream on Twitch seems like he can basically get a perfect game on command. That's what true talent looks like, someone who can play a game on command and does it just because they enjoy it. Truly upsets me to see Mitchell go after such a good dude, hope everything works out in David's favor.

[@leviathandrumming2175]

*Bitchell

[@RADkate]

its so fucking sad what happend to Apollo, even if he did some stupid stuff he still was a genuine guy who cared

[@TheLastAshbringer]

RIP Apollo

[@ZXL000]

Yeah.

[@Sodier402]

Yeah from his purposefully misleading people about his white supremacist friend, and then sending his fans to harass a guy who called him out for it to his outright slandering organizers of GDQ he really was a genuine guy I miss his videos.

[@twistedgwazi5727]

Can someone explain what happened to him I'm out of the loop

[@ItsNitroBS]

@@twistedgwazi5727 Sadly after dealing with a lot of physical and mental issues he took his life. It's a very sad story, but you can investigate more about it online.

[@blunderbus2695]

David Race: "Do I at least get to show this recording as evidence?" Billy Mitchell: "This is America, so no!" David Race: "This isn't America, this is Ohio!"

[@Aavenell]

Oooh, nice Scatt reference.

[@IntrusiveThot420]

Wait, it's all Ohio?

[@racingenraged8019]

@@IntrusiveThot420 Always has been

[@MicrowavedBurrito1]

THE BORDER IS CLOSING IN ON OHIO

[@pavelzabak5276]

@@racingenraged8019 *gunshot*

[@wnekuu]

It's 4:30 am, I have to work in 3.5h and I'm going down the rabbit hole with your videos about guys I never heard of before but it's so interesting!

[@Voidrune]

I... I never found out Apollo took his own life. I really liked his content and I’m so upset now.

[@morrbydick5957]

same, his videos on speedrunning were the first i ever found and now i watch several runners, he got me into the game, this legit grinds my gears. someone should sue mitchell for something...

[@M-I-LK]

Neither did I. I'm kinda pissed rn

[@lonkzelda7871]

@@morrbydick5957He passes the mark of scumbag.

[@The_Nametag]

Me either. Wow. And I didn't think I could dislike Billy Mitchell more. There is no depths to which he will not sink it seems.

[@bargaintuesday812]

You....you don't have to type like this.

[@Kowkarot]

Todd Rogers and Billy Mitchell look like a Wario and Waluigi Netflix adaptation.

[@xxPenjoxx]

Bwahahahahahahahaha 👏 👏

[@danyukhin]

the fact Billy Mitchell basically destroyed Apollo Legend's life is just so unimaginably screwed up the things people will do to protect their fragile egos unbelievable

[@LucDaMan4]

"Basically"? He destroyed his life in every sense of the word.

[@ZX3000GT1]

Apollo Legend wasn't quite a saint himself tbh. Between GDQ and Oceanside, to the DarkViperAU, EZScape, and several others being blamed for his suicide. I wish it didn't go towards suicide route though, and thus having Apollo Legend still with us, and that's a shame. He's one of the first youtubers I enjoy for speedrunning content, and for that I'll never forget him.

[@Running_Colours]

@@ZX3000GT1 dude you perfectly summed up my sentiment. I even feel like he could have gone through redemption, if he had found the help he needed. Now he's just gone and leaves us with a bitter feeling. Now to me he's just the guy that defended a white supremacist and left the most horrible suicide note you could leave.

[@kevboard]

Apollo Legend apparently had health issues that were the actual reason he killed himself. could he that he got a cancer diagnosis or something, I don't know if details are known

[@Sauceyjames]

Wow this is a shock to me, I did not know Apollo Legend took his life. His videos got me to listen about speed running in the first place and hearing the Dick Show, got me to Karl Jobst. Sucks that Apollo did that, but didn't he like work 3 jobs or so, it seemed like he had a lot on his plate.

[@Foxwolfred]

It’s so weird that Rodgers claimed to have this amazing score but yet never would prove it on camera when asked and the few times he did he could barely get a score closed to it

[@tonedefleppard6738]

When Mitchell loses everything “I will not shed a tear. I will try my very hardest not to smile or giggle.”

[@jjandjacks7928]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@MattPieti]

I will smile and giggle a lot.

[@TJD-xy6gg]

chances of you failing not smiling is preety high...

[@AeonAxisProductions]

Its all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits

[@katieandkevinsears7724]

It will take more effort than he put into the fraud.

[@lillyie]

Imagine being a lawyer, you handled serious cases like domestic violence, employee maltreatment, and so on then you see a guy suing other people because his high score in a video game got removed from the leaderboards

[@leramar]

The lawyers still get paid regardless. They probably think it will be a good change of pace.

[@zeked4200]

There are different types of lawyers...not every lawyer is a criminal defense/trial lawyer. There are lawyers who specialize in pretty much every area of Law that you could imagine...including for situations like this. I myself am very highly versed in "Bird Law"...so, if any of you need solid representation...

[@Demon-Psychiatrist]

Lawyers are scum

[@theobscurestash6537]

I think it's more sad that they don't care as long as there is money flowing, or that it's even allowed in the same arena as murder trials simply because it will keep a judge and their slimy cronies on vacation twice a year. These lawsuits, whether they win or not, are damaging innocent peoples lives financially, and potentially even ruining them, all for these asswipes ego trips, and lawyers are the POS middlemen that make that happen! They just don't care. Not even about the law...that's why they bend it for a living. Billy would make a great lawyer...unfortunately.

[@teresawright3620]

Lawyers are scum, special place in hell for them. They dont care if Billy Mitchell was suing a dolphin as long as the check clears

[@dwangoAC]

Hi, dwangoAC, keeper of TASBot here - I can confirm Dragster console verification could only achieve 5.57 as shown at 8:36

[@letcreate123]

Oh hi dwango

[@LordDragox412]

Hi, me here. I can neither confirm nor deny the info provided by DwangoAC, for it shall forever remain a mystery... to me, because I don't know anything about the topic. You're welcome y'all. /s

[@dwangoAC]

@@LordDragox412 I took the TAS that Omnigamer created and used TASBot with a replay device made by true to send the button presses to a real unmodified Atari 2600 console. The best time I achieved with any combination of inputs was 5.57, confirming that the purported record is not possible.

[@ersatz_cats]

Thank you, dwango!

[@tarand4528]

Thank you!

[@Rezver]

Some say that his quest to do a lawsuit 100% run still goes on.

[@_ArsNova]

Billy, and now Todd have managed to make themselves look even more sad and pathetic. They either have zero sense of shame or are just outright delusional about their own fraudulent high-scores. Why they feel the need to drag anyone else down with them that they can is beyond me.

[@The_Omegaman]

They are clinging to that one “achievement” in their life. Al Bundy syndrome.

[@Hotobu]

"The election was rigged"

[@migueeeelet]

@@The_Omegaman And this is why you don't cheat. Or if you cheat and are caught, you suck it up and leave with some dignity.

[@martinschultz3441]

Todd Todgers has officially made himself a punchline of a Monty Python sketch for the rest of his life. GJ

[@LucDaMan4]

Be careful, he might sue you

[@martinschultz3441]

He can sue Cleese or Palin. They made me write it

[@Jamesi03]

@@LucDaMan4 But nobody expects a Todd Togers lawsuit

[@martinschultz3441]

@@Jamesi03 Truer words has not been uttered brother!

[@exxor9108]

I'd personally hold Billy Mitchel accountable for Apollo Legend's death. He drove someone else to suicide, and he's no longer a decent human being for it.

[@trees4491]

was he ever a decent human being?

[@exxor9108]

@@trees4491 Probably not.

[@NehNehNehNeh42]

I love how the engineer for Dragster literally TOLD Todd that his score was impossible, and Todd really hit him With the footage of 2:15 (ya know, I was really tuned in back then I can’t do it now, but I did do it) 🙄🙄

[@Kasaix]

Wow, I had no idea Apollo Legend took his own life. That's such a tragedy.

[@Tom2404]

I knew it and I expected it to be on this channel earlier.

[@Kasaix]

@@Tom2404 When did it happen? His last tweets are from 2020.

[@Tom2404]

@@Kasaix I think it was December 30 2020?

[@Tom2404]

@@Kasaix also there was a suicide video

[@Kasaix]

@@Tom2404 That's terrible. Thanks for telling me.

[@Anonymous-pm7jf]

Imagine the people who were 2nd on the leaderboards this whole time who missed out on the fame and glory because of these cheats.

[@lyndza1989]

no kidding... cant stand a cheater

[@maybelikealittlebit]

They should counter sue for loss of potential earnings, etc. What a complete loser Billy is. Sucks at video games and can’t even take it on the chin. 🤦‍♀️

[@kingtracek7571]

I mean, the next person under Rogers in Dragster also claimed a 5.51. He wasn't the only cheater at Twin Galaxies. XD

[@Max465]

So it should be noted that while billy Mitchel is a lying cheating terrible manchild, he was in fact...pretty good at Kong. His initial record was legit and something he earned. The one that got him that initial 18 years of solo fame and glory. What he actually cheated on was his breaking one million. Twin Galaxies has a no tolerance policy so they stripped him of all his records, but his older achievements are all legit. That's honestly part of what makes him awful. He already had legitimate status in the community. But he threw it all away because he was a greedy asshole who wanted more.

[@maybelikealittlebit]

@@Max465 ah yes I forgot I knew that about him and you’re right it does make him an even more horrible person. Fame and power corrupts I guess.

[@milescorporosus4058]

"Todd doesn't exude success." _Neither_ of them do.

[@michaelhutto9970]

Yeah, "exude" has too many positive connotations. "Excrete" is more apropos. And it's not success they're excreting.

[@Real_Artician]

What are you talking about? Billy Mitchell is God's gift to gaming and hot sauce! Seriously though, he has a hot sauce company. Never tried it, but I'm sure it's imitation habanero, and it comes with a filed lawsuit for one million dollars saying it's an original, unmodified habanero pepper.

[@king_big_pp]

@@Real_Artician Billy inherited his wealth, restaurants, and hot sauce business from his parents. He didn't build anything himself.

[@Real_Artician]

@@king_big_pp I'm sorry you missed the sarcasm dripping off that statement.

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

@@king_big_pp Billy you can make the argument that he's carved himself a niche'; put stuff he got from his parents aside. Todd's entire foundation for living has been a lie for or less though. Not really comparable.

[@benhurley02]

Billy Mitchell killed Apollo legends. That’s so sad dude. Like I’m tearing up that’s like such a horrible thing...over video game scores this man robbed someone of all his money and his life...someone needs to put him in his place ASAP...

[@radiazkilfonte3607]

Also a cautionary tale for all of us. iirc, Apollo already had a mental illness before he went into a very stressful & controversial topic of "exposing cheater". Your health priority should always be one step above your work.

[@thunar1970]

The fact Karl just completely casually keeps calling him “Togers” is just hilarious to me.

[@spectre3671]

I giggled every time he casually says togers

[@EmilioFlores82]

Thought it was a mistake the first time on Karl's part. Should have known better.

[@blatantlyjohn6234]

😂😂

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

What's craziest to me is how hard these 2 are fighting over their video game records. The games themselves are very old and niche. Why fight so hard over a record that barely anyone cares about?

[@Obsidian8R]

that's why these lawsuits are so stupid

[@SentinalhMC]

Because its literally the only thing Mitchell has ever "accomplished" in his entire life

[@PissedGrunty]

Because it really isn't about the games. The records gave them a degree of fame, fortune and power. Their type is never able to handle lose of power or any questioning of their lies. They sue with the intent to harm, not win.

[@adaobas]

to try and make an easy buck I think... as the video stated, it worked in the past so they keep using old strategies to bully and make money... Also, as someone said up here, these 'records' gave them (specially Mitchell) a good amount of fame and fortune

[@TensaZangetsu1200]

Their own inflated egos.

[@fengshuimma9160]

If only he’d use the drive he has, to grind games instead of lawsuits, he might actually hold a world record 🤷🏽

[@ARockyRock]

"Florida man misspells his own name in a lawsuit over a high score in a game"

[@Xegethra]

I reckon when it goes wrong for him he will try to say it's someone else.

[@DD_awsome]

On other news: scientist discover that water is, indeed, wet!

[@tzCombot]

@@Xegethra His lawyers forgot to start in second gear, obviously.

[@unwaveringdiscipline5489]

I swear to god man everyday has been looking more and more like an Onion video since covid hit

[@toastycakes5560]

mitchell really said he'd try not to smile or giggle at the news of apollo? huge yikes. that man truly is evil.

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

timestamp?

[@PantLoaf]

Billy Mitchell should be held accountable for the death of Apollo Legend, and should give financial compensation to his loved ones, especially since he said he was joyed to hear about the man's death. #JusticeForApollo

[@Jaybird_102]

I agree 100%

[@Bladius_]

He wasn't named in the message Apollo left, so it's a shaky connection at best; Apollo had a chronic pain condition and cited that as the main reason. It couldn't have helped with his stress/mental/financial problems, obviously, but I thought it was kinda bad taste making that connection here to elicit fervor from viewers; but that's just me. Billy's reaction was disgusting though and in general I wish him nothing but back luck and to have his "legacy" ruined by someone finally standing up to him.

[@SpitefulAZ]

Billy Mitchell actually made a response on KZbin for the first time. This is a historical event!

[@JSchaffer214]

Yeah, because for ONCE Billy Mitchell has a legitimate gripe in the eyes of the law. Unfortunately, this is a lawsuit he could actually, possibly, win. Jobst has no proof that Mitchell had anything to do with Apollo's suicide. While I believe most of us can probably agree that his frivolous lawsuit against Apollo likely made his mental stress even worse, it's going to be very, very, VERY difficult to prove that in a court of law. Especially when Apollo specifically blamed others for the reasoning behind his suicide. I can't stand Mitchell either but this could end up being a significant blunder on Jobst's part. Mitchell now lives to sue people so the second he has even a sliver of hope for successfully suing someone, he's going to do it!

[@SpitefulAZ]

@@JSchaffer214 i think there's a good chance Billy is telling the truth about there being no monetary agreement between him and Apolo Legend and that's the only thing he will want to disprove. Everything else about him has been true, except for that one particular detail.

[@thedarkderp2520]

@@JSchaffer214 I'm sure Karl knows this he didn't accuse Billy of being the cause he just mentioned the outcome of their lawsuit and Billy's respone to Apollo's death

[@HoneyBadgerVideos]

I don't think expressing your suspicion someone's actions contributed to someone else committing suicide is illegal. Even if they turn out false.

[@SpitefulAZ]

@@HoneyBadgerVideos someone could prove that promoting such a belief is defamation or slander.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

I'm really hurt to find out Apollo is dead. He had his failures, but no one deserves to be pushed to suicide because of that "Garrett Bobby Ferguson" wannabe.

[@happyhour4670]

I do

[@StarryOak76]

@@happyhour4670 hey, do you need a hug? I don’t know what you’re going through right now but genuinely, suicide is never the answer

[@aikoluna3480]

It absolutely disgusts me that billy was so horribly about it, so far as to say he was trying not to laugh. It 100% proves what a horrible and shitty human he is

[@GurkenbauerTim]

When you ruin your ruined reputation even more

[@OTheFool]

It's a desperate attempt at getting more attention from the public. A tactic I'm well aware of because it's done by our local politicians and washed-up comedians.

[@TKmeh]

He's trying for that ultimate dickweed score man, give him respect... or not since its the dickweed high score.

[@alecrutz956]

@@TKmeh he's probably gonna just make up another score again

[@SonicXisnow2009]

Billy is rapidly approaching the Lenny Dykstra line of "his reputation is so bad , that's it's literally impossible to ruin it anymore". I say that because a few years ago, Lenny Dykstra (former MLB player) sued someone for defamation and it was thrown out by the judge since his reputation was so bad, that it couldn't possibly go any lower. Source: www.abajournal.com/news/article/lenny-dykstras-reputation-was-so-tarnished-that-he-wasnt-defamed-by-book-judge-rules

[@idontknow8205]

Can't ruin a reputation if it's already gone

[@deliriouszora]

Judge: "so what's your source on getting these records?" Todd: "my source is, trust me bro."

[@apa123APA]

"The human element, your honor."

[@markymark443]

He's like me when I was trying to write essays in middle school.

[@RobertWCrouch]

Genuinely did not know that Apollo took his own life and am sad to hear the news. I enjoyed his meeting Billy, it made me laugh and hope that maybe Mitchell wasn't a super villain. Obviously a false hope. There's so many people in our community that support each other, so my hope can't be entirely diminished by a couple of entitled jerks.

[@alexander0the0gray]

My dad always said “Always tell the truth and you’ll never have to remember what you lied”. Maybe these guys need to hear that 😂

[@Heiteinah]

Words to live by.

[@xX_Lol6_Xx]

Very wise words

[@Mauripsu]

Your dad sounds wise! Any other thoughts he shared with you?

[@coolpool4191]

Nice quote

[@giantclaw138]

We need to somehow get Todgers and Mitchell to sue each other. That should keep them busy

[@blackthorn5709]

Really hoping that “todger” is universally understood as a slang term for a penis, because it certainly is in the UK.

[@Zonic3451]

Sadly, it is not.

You brits have way too many slangs for balls and penis

[@XHackManiacX]

It's pretty well known here in the Down Under.

[@Sulmor85]

No, I didn't know that. Now it's even funnier

[@Toopa88]

@ I guess they are obsessed with them.

[@TheTSense]

Defamation lawsuits are almost impossible, as you need 3 things. 1) the person you are suing knew perfectly well the information was false, like they had evidence it was A and then went around and claimed B. 2) The Person actually caused some damage and 3) you know exactly how much damage it caused in US Dollar. In the first step, the Justice system is going to dig up all of YOUR files, and as the one who started the process, you can't do anything against that. Also, the other party will have access to these files too. Again, the party you are suing must have known it was wrong and they did it anyway, so the system needs to know what is actually true. If you are hiding anything, suing someone for defamation is the worst possible thing to do. Only in step 2 they are going to check if said party knew about it and ignored it.

[@fortheloveofgaming-ftlog2484]

"Todger" is slang for "penis" in the UK. Priceless

[@GeoStreber]

Can we just agree to appreciate Jace Hall for a second? Not only because of how he's dealing with Togers and Bitchell, but also for founding Monolith, the awesome guys behind Blood?

[@lambda-m1676]

Jace Hall, legend behind Blood, which died because FUCK YOU GT!

[@OnyxOfMadness]

bitchell LMFAO

[@lordryan9845]

as well as fear 1/2 matrix online and of course the middle earth games

[@HollywoodHornet]

I like how our boy, Karl, keeps calling him Todgers after he misspelled his own name. Nice dig, Karl. You keep being you, you absolute legend.

[@WeirdWonderful]

Imagine being so utterly inept that your image literally rests on having played a good game of Pac-Man several decades ago so much so you're willing to sure people over it.

[@theflyingninja1]

It's more than I've ever done.

[@xexpaguette]

It's more than I've ever done.

[@noturbrother]

It's more than I've ever done.

[@joep2999]

Karl - "I am now of the opinion that he is legitimately evil" I already thought this, but to hear this out of Karl underlines the seriousness of the problem.

[@watsonwrote]

The fact that he rejoiced about bullying someone to death after taking all their money really cemented it as true evil for me. Not just silly arrogant awfulness. Evil.

[@theluchakabuto5206]

I thought I had “Togers” spoiled for me because I read the comments right away, but it was still just as funny

[@bugjams]

Togchamp

[@bunnyrape]

I'm surprised Bitchell isn't a thing yet

[@PlanetXtreme]

🅱illy 🅱itchell

[@ParodyAccount_]

it is now

[@JRDad]

Silly bitchell

[@Maddin1313]

The ability to file lawsuits should be a privilege, if you misuse it you lose it.

[@aspuzling]

So true

[@ELmaestro370]

It is in my country if you lost a lawsuit, the other part can file a Malicious lawsuit

[@smjaiteh]

Actually, I believe his lawyer is the one that filed the lawsuit, so he didn’t misspell his own name, his lawyer did. Which does not bode well for his lawsuit, honestly.

[@1rbdt]

A good lawyer can successfully defend an idiot, but an idiot defending another idiot only has one plausible outcome.

[@ic_trab]

He must be represented by Saul Goodman.

[@Fuzy2K]

@@ic_trab Saul Foodman

[@plumebrisee6206]

Todd has that illness at old age when you tend to forget thing ,it's called like Alzheimer I think

[@theEisbergmann]

I can see it clearly. A 15 year old steps into the court:" Yes I've seen Rogers attain his World Record in 198x"

[@dirgeofdementia]

Ugh… this is just sad. Two grown men attempting to become relevant again through accomplishments and non-accomplishments from 40 years ago.

[@manunova5929]

Todd Rogers mispelling his name creates an alternate reality where he wrote Todd Poggers.

[@Hotwopper]

Good ending: Todd Togers helps everyone who is being sued by Billy Mitchell and becomes Todd Poggers

[@abletodoit3051]

@@Hotwopper Looks like we are gunning for the genocide ending here

[@cm5g]

@@Hotwopper Bad ending: Todd Togers teams with Billy Mitchell and win

[@snickle1980]

@@Hotwopper Todd Poggers 😂

[@maxb5238]

The callout right before the ad FUCKIN HIT. “If you want to be legitimately good at something, unlike the subjects of this video” Ouch.

[@Nefi424]

Oh my God, Apollo killed himself over Mitchell!? This man went from an internet joke to an actual villain! He must be stopped!

[@NicolasADH]

Wasn't exactly only Mitchell's fault, unfortunately there was some drama that happened last year with two youtubers. Rest in piece Apollo...

[@abloogywoogywoo]

@@NicolasADH There was drama, yeah, but that's a redundant thing to say. There's always drama on the Internet. It's the bedrock of this community. What sucks is its Billy's constant lawsuits that pushed him into that downward spiral and accelerated it.

[@NicolasADH]

@@abloogywoogywoo What I meant to say it wasn't only Mitchell the reason for what happened to Apollo.

[@poliorice3600]

@@NicolasADH yeah, Apollo got very deserved criticism, but it was at a bad time

[@gavinthecrafter]

I thought of Mitchell as just a dumb jerk before hand, but after hearing this, I fully believe Billy Mitchell should be put into jail.

[@yetsumari]

Holy shit I had no clue Apollo Legend killed himself. That hits hard, the guy did plenty that was easily criticized but he didn't deserve to go out like that.

[@BeaverChainsaw]

He was a great content creator too and was just shining light on a gaming scandal, he didn't deserve to go into debt just because a rich jerk had a big ego

[@cathacker13]

and the shitbag mitchells even felt good about it I don't usually wish bad luck for people because there's a good chance that it could happen to me, but I hope the worst that can happen happens to him

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

@@cathacker13 Wishing ill-will for scumbags won't hurt you, don't worry. Any negative thing that happens to them is deserved.

[@jayextarys8616]

Upside: those two guys provide us with so much entertainment. Downside: the nice ppl he sues are very stressed and they dont deserve that.

[@David_Addison]

In the U.K. 'toger', spelled 'todger' is a slang term for penis, which seems fitting here.

[@KittAnimations]

God knew what he was doing lmao

[@inactivated0]

Willy and Toger

[@jonaha502]

Holy crap i had no idea apollo committed suicide. Billy actually has a body count now

[@plague_wise]

@@gsesquire3441 He definitely has a "body count" of the times he has been released to the toilet, but that number's just too big. You should see the couple of Billy Mitchells I flushed this morning.

[@grayt4951]

Apollo's death crushed me. The downfall that lead to it was definitely caused by the lawsuit. I'm glad people are bringing light to the villain that caused it all and I hope he gets everything that's coming to him. I hope he losing every single lawsuit and feels the same pain he caused Apollo

[@Hibernial]

First I’ve heard someone dying over a fraudulent lawsuit having to do with a fake record. Kind of goes to show how bad the court system is that encourages grifters for pushing legal cases for money. It really ends up causing damages rather then mending damages. People like Mitchell shouldn’t be able to game any legal system to their favor just by treating their demands for stealing tens of thousands through frivolous lawsuits. It’s tantamount to their bidding at a casino against everyone else at the table in the house’s favor. In Apollo’s case, a bad judge giving the okay for a fraudulent lawsuit like that is probably not going to want to revisit the case and see his reputation tarnished for sake of pushing forward a money-making case solely for generating public revenue. Although despite the casino analogy being applied here, you don’t have to actually be involved in the speed-running community should a lawsuit be thrown your way. A fake legacy seems stupid and harmless, but it being easily dismissible does a lot to cover for some really evil behavior. It really is villainous.

[@darkjapan]

He had an undisclosed chronic health condition, that was his main reason. His final years were surrounded in controversy. Its a sad situation for everyone on all sides. I wish we as a community could learn to forgive all parties.

[@LightsolP]

@@Hibernial Problem is the US legal system allows anyone to sue anybody for anything, and for some reason 99% of those lawsuits are taken seriously. If US judges were more willing to punish vexatious litigants, this wouldn't happen. The result is that money simply wins, as those that have it can afford to wait out those that don't.

[@Hibernial]

@@LightsolP Yea. If lying under oath ought to be treated very seriously then that should be something consistently applied. Lying to push forth a lawsuit is a crime, because it amounts to one party extorting another. Any judge giving way to that suit doesn’t negate the criminality of fraud either. Fraud is as bad a trespass in the same manner that any physical trespass is.

[@poppaboppa6000]

You need to address Billy's response in the spirit of transparency

[@ThaAwesome10]

Do you mean how billy said he would try to not smile or giggle at Apollo’s death? Because that was removed as billy threatened to sue karl over it