REACTION: Black Conservatives vs. White Liberals Middle Ground

Jubilee put out a new Middle Ground debate pitting black conservatives against white liberals. Is this bound to go off the rails, or will everyone stay civil and reasonable? Let’s watch and react!
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0:00 - White Americans Have Way More Advantages Than Black Americans
16:45 - I Agree With SCOTUS Ending Affirmative Action
41:04 - Reparations Are Necessary
53:10 - White Liberals Have A Savior Complex
1:10:53 - Superchats!

[@TheAmalaEkpunobi]

Sorry for the low sound at the beginning of the Jubilee vid, we fixed it after a minute or so!

[@mrrightnow1532]

I need to be in that studio because 3 white ppl in a studio discussing black issues is very disrespectful. Conservatives are EVIL. I'm not even a Democrat but Conservatives are hands down the biggest liars EVER.

[@IzzyBizzyBooBoo]

Sorry isn't enough, we demand reparations.

[@DgardsGaming]

Got to hand it to destiny, he was most sane white liberal on some these issues.

[@jerryoshea3116]

Sure certain 'Welfare Polices'( And Medicare/Medicaid in a form reparations for Black Americans might be not such a bad thing)can be helpful,but u don't want to incentify someone not to work,because it's been shown not to be too successful in the past!!.Just like if a person wins money gambling in some fashion, ' money found ( as the saying goes) they tend to be less prudent& more capricious as opposed to money which has been earned through hard work! And I dont agree when comparisons are made with Europe (Scandinavia,France,Holland and Germany come to mind) because those countries did'nt just arrive at those junctures over night,hey took hundreds of yrs to establish a certain mindset and Philosophy towards paying higher Taxes ( Something that Americans find hard to wrap their head around!) And on ' The White Saviour compex' the Dude who owned up to it with such pride,made me cringe! If u wish to be charitable,then do so with everyone& anyone,but directing it at Minorities is so 'Lets occupy the moral high ground' and f##king condescending to say the least!

[@peterand]

Please comment about the Spain Football President Kiss. I can't understand all the fuss?

[@TheSazukiultra23]

“Giving people money doesn’t hurt them.” Everyone out there giving bribes has found a new favorite quote 😂

[@Roslynguy]

As if people haven’t heard if the lottery curse lmao.

[@Akkatlah]

That's factually true. If I were to give You 100 thousand dollars right now. Would it hurt You?

[@TheNinjapancake14]

Sure, I guess. The quote doesn’t reflect on the impact on the person giving the money

[@tylerbranch7524]

Ok but that's the bribe that's hurting you not the money they're bribing you with

[@carsandsports123]

and loans!

[@casthedemon]

That one dude has the mind of a literal supervillain. "I'm gonna save you even if you don't want it." I've seen enough villain arcs in Marvel.

[@jamesdavidson6976]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@malcolmharris854]

My grandma was black, grew up in jim crow era America and not once did she ever blame white people for her problems or demand that someone help her financially. She was a tough, hard working single mother of 2. I find it insulting to say that black people need more help because of past atrocities, We're just like everyone else.

[@PoussinNoNeko]

Under Jim Crow, black families were a lot stronger and unified. Their were more likely to succeed and pull themselves out of poverty.

[@dedasalmeida9047]

i assuming you're white, so your gradma to never be pissed at white ppl for causing so much destruction upon her community... I'ts because either she didn't care for her community or isn't much a vocal person when it comes to these issues. either way, your ancestors cause havoc into our community and it got to a point where our culture is being poisened by powerful white people putting money into our music, movies and whatever and promoting BS.

[@kyokoblitz]

What she said at the end is exactly right when you get this savior complex you put yourself on a pedestal above others... so if you're looking at black people as a group of people that need to be saved by you.... you're deciding that they're too ignorant or incompetent to choose for themselves as individuals not a group what's best for them... that's not getting rid of racism that's what fuels racism. And the ignorance and ego on that dude...... it's just wild how people can be blind to their own egotistical and/or narcissistic ways.

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

i mean she struggled because of rules enforced by white people during jim crow? lynching, unable to buy houses etc.

[@ahmorgan]

It's pretty stupid to say your grandma was living under Jim Crow and not blame white people? She literally could not vote lmao. She couldn't buy property where she wanted not because of her inability to afford it, but because of her race. Imagine how much more money she would have had if not for those draconian racist laws?

[@ethanwhitlock]

As a white liberal that Alec was really pissing me off

[@drockopotamus1]

lol dude same. Destiny needed to speak up more.

[@Dakarn]

@@drockopotamus1 He probably did, but like someone who had been on there before had said, they're usually there for HOURS discussing this stuff, but they only pick the most controversial takes for views.

[@andromedamessier3176]

Alec sounds like pol pot ngl. I’m telling you Americans. One wrong step, then you see crazy sh*t to come.

[@sykotika13thirteen]

I’m very much centred and his BS made me feel like moving towards conservative.

[@daz97]

@@sykotika13thirteen Imo you should Because the democrats listen to woke people like Alec more than they do a traditional Liberal I was a traditional Liberal but conservatism is much closer to me than the woke Democrats are

[@CassTeaElle]

"You're not letting me have my own voice." "How? You're speaking now." "You're cutting her off." "Well, I feel like I have to." 🤦‍♀️ how does this guy say things like this and not see how ridiculous he is?

[@MODNAR67]

And he was the same person who said that minorities should have a voice to speak out 💀

[@uncommonsense360]

It's called trolling. It's like boys on XBox live growing up.

[@mymagi1]

Alec is definitely the definition of weak men making hard times. People like that make the world worse, not better.

[@gianinepreuss9999]

Canada New Zealand, Australia, and England are talking about "reparations" too.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

i dnt knw if he is weak, but definitely cringe. he got destroyed by the older black lady when he virtue signalled being a "nurse"

[@d3clips391]

No, Alec is not a weak man, he made a mistake and everyone pounced on him making everyone else seem more weak actually because they unlike him did not give a corrective answer. Actually Alec as he said was speaking for himself so a "Smart Alec" and the older lady was really great she just didn't know shit about taxes. Alec is creating informational wealth weather you hate him or not it's there and people learn hugely bc he was not afraid to get killed over his honesty. A weak man would not admit he was cringe, he himself accepted the benefit of the doubt that "maybe I am cringe" that's not weakness tho to admit.

[@Christopher-iv6sn]

⁠@@d3clips391strongly disagree with your assessment. Constant straw man arguments. Coming at everyone as if he’s got all the right answers. Absolutely childish and completely lacking in any wisdom. Intelligence means nothing the way he uses it. I might not say he’s a weak man pre se, but I would say with certainty that he is extremely shallow and intellectually devious. Definitely the worst of the bunch. Horrible mindset and honestly just makes the left look bad. He is the meme of this panel without question.

[@d3clips391]

@@Christopher-iv6sn well you are the obnoxious kind yourself my friend. Very negative and your point does no one better

[@BLa-lq2bs]

I’m still surprised how reasonable and moderate Destiny was. At least compared to Alec. Alec made Destiny look like a conservative almost haha.

[@Serra-81]

Destiny, is more of a classical liberal.

[@LadyGamerLoon]

I think by skipping the trump argument you missed Alec say to the face of a black conservative "I believe those who disagree with me are all racist. If you disagree with me you are racist". He was a total child.

[@mallorycarpinski1160]

He was joking though. They actually said that later.

[@rhetoricallydefective]

​@@mallorycarpinski1160lol so? What's the punchline?

[@annieh.5049]

@@mallorycarpinski1160he could have been, or he could have been trying save face after being confronted edit: soelling

[@EKKO5]

That was a joke though, so there’s no point

[@godzpeedx7ii75]

@@EKKO5No it wasn’t a joke

[@user-fu1gp9xp8e]

I hate how no one likes to listens because they think they already knows the answer. We ought to listen twice as much as we we speak.

[@trentirvin2008]

Absolutely based

[@JohnGramer06]

Summary: Xaviaer is based, obviously. The other 2 black women are based, and chandler is just a smart teenager. Destiny is the most reasonable of the libtards, Alec would not let anyone talk who he disagreed with, the white girl was lowkey based, and the dude with messed up hair and the weird t shirt is just weird.

[@omgwerockhard]

Cant stand Destiny either. He speaks way too much. Taking up for lost time all these years he played sc2

[@JohnGramer06]

@@omgwerockhard he seems the most intelligent of all of them though. Alec just can't get over his emotions, especially his rant about working at a nursing home at the end. Good on him for helping old people who were dying of Covid, but he made it all about himself because of how emotional he got

[@nellyc3669]

@@omgwerockhard it’s funny how he’s hated by both people of the right and the left, people on the right like conservatives hate on him calling him a blue hair democrat loser who plays games all day and in contrast, on the left (radical left) I’ve seen them call destiny a racist, transphobe, Nazi who is secretly conservative 😂 so it’s funny to see both sides

[@venom-gt7rc]

@@nellyc3669 It's hard to be a centrist

[@karljonson3287]

Chandler is obviously just repeating what he heared. He's talking in talking points

[@bernardknoll-ej5nq]

The liberal guy in the hat is the definition of woke.

[@deeky1239]

Thing is he's not a liberal, he's a leftist/socialist and he wouldn't consider himself liberal either.

[@daz97]

Definition of someone with a saviour complex If he put this much effort and passion into his own life as he does forcing his "help" on others He would be a billionaire by now and be able to actually help some people I can't stand him though

[@xxxpandaxxxae]

I hated that the guy wouldn’t shut up and let the other guy talk

[@dragonusa]

He constantly talked over everyone, and with every question he stated as if it proves his viewpoint they had a reasonable logical response that he just dismissed because it goes against his stance. He did not debate well at all, yet likely believed he came out on top. He also is unopen to listening to new ideas, but is stuck to the narrative of his ideology. A poster child for virtue signaling.

[@xwrtk]

He’s not really a liberal just a leftist. He said he supports Desantis.

[@Dakkalistic]

Mr. Alec "I used to be cringe" Was simping for cookies in Hasans chat and claimed Aliya only looked black cuz of her hair. This is what we're dealing with. And yeah, Destiny almost fell out of his chair cringing when he heard it later.

[@kurtukh]

If Alec is the “future “ population, I’m deeply scared, as a country we are screwed if people have the same mindset he has. He has a delusional saver complex

[@TipsyGizmo]

He is the first version of the cut copy paste human that’s in the movie Wal-E

[@thegreatgonzales6813]

I like to call it the “Hasan Piker Syndrome”

[@krazy4pizza154]

Believe it or not, in my area of St. Louis, most people are an Alec or Joseph. Please send help

[@CarlosHernandez-rl2wg]

This guy would probably lock everyone up in a padded cell to make sure they don't get hurt.

[@skyofthelivingdead]

@@krazy4pizza154I’m from STL and you’re correct. I know tons of entitled white dudes from 20-35 just like Alec.

[@LarissaDawn]

Xavier is so well articulated. I got chills listening to him speak and I love watching his reels on IG!

[@erinvalentine_artistry]

What’s his IG handle??

[@darksat6]

whats his @ please

[@weezyouttahere342]

​@@darksat6just type his name- Xavaier DuRusseau

[@user-fu1gp9xp8e]

Affirmative Action reminds me of when adults would let me win when playing games. That is why people will get mad when you didn't allow them to win. I think winning should be because of my skills.

[@elizabethpearce4767]

Just giving people money often does not materially change their lives, strings attached or not. A quick Google shows that 70% of lottery winners are broke within a few years. Money is a bandaid on a gaping wound that is a lifetyle/culture that needs to change for longterm success.

[@jeffhall768]

NFL players are broke within a few years on average as well. You just gotta be responsible with money. Marshawn Lynch had a great speech about this lol

[@lynettefinnigan9540]

The attitude will only change when black people take ownership for their own problems and issues and try to be good parents instead of trying to blame white people for all their problems... plenty of good black people getting on with good lives, others need to follow their lead instead of just blaming others

[@lynnsmith399]

This. Rich men raise poor men. Poor men raise rich men. People learn to overcome adversity. Or they don’t.

[@jeffhall768]

@lynnsmith399 luckily there are always exceptions. Deion Sanders and Jordy Nelson come to mind

[@ca8944]

I’ll take a million and use it wisely but I don’t need expensive things to make me “happy”

[@machellovelivelife658]

There's always that one person that tests your resolve to listen to the whole debate...I'm struggling lol. I wish Destiny would speak more than Alec.

[@timweber1695]

I wish he wouldn't speak at all

[@teratoma.]

​@@timweber1695 Destiny is by far the most level headed person there

[@thekid8224]

​@@teratoma.Huh

[@Mubiki]

@@timweber1695 Don't be like that. Destiny is a decent dude. Go watch some of his Rittenhouse talks. He is definitely liberal, but he is not a complete moron like TYT, Sam Seder, Hasan, etc.

[@KartalaBreed]

@@Mubiki Oh I thought tim was refering to Alec

[@seankelly328]

Just crazy to me that we have black Americans trying to explain things to white Americans, and the white Americans are refusing to listen as if they know more about the issue.. it's crazy..

[@elissamurphy9964]

Talk abt being racist. When the white liberal is telling the black conservatives they are incorrect and don't have a clue.

[@amandav5824]

But if you think about it, you could say the same about black progressives explaining things to white conservatives. 😉

[@andromedamessier3176]

@@amandav5824 yeah! Black progressive wouldn’t even try to listen. Their reason is just racist. This is racist That is racist. Even choosing white chocolate is racist

[@andromedamessier3176]

@@amandav5824 sarcasm aside! You’re wrong. People do listen. But if their reason is just This racist That racist all the time, then I’m out! Bye

[@kathleenmahoney7650]

Perhaps one listens but don’t agree

[@lynnsmith399]

Welfare is based on income level. Two incomes are typically more than one. Removing the low income requirement of welfare is the worst idea I’ve ever heard. And that’s the only way to not incentivize a man leaving the home while still providing assistance.

[@WorldAccordingToGar]

I didn’t look it up, but there’s no way in hell that white per capita is 50 times greater than black per capita. That’s such an asinine thing to say.

[@ruelongcha]

i looked it up and the per capita difference is a factor of about 1.6🤣🤣 it sounded like at first he was talking total (which is a stupid metric bc duh total wealth is gonna be larger if there’s MORE people in that group)… but even that’s only like 10x more. my guy was tweakin but so confident about it too

[@karljonson3287]

Myb look it up then dummy

[@russellhumphrey5209]

It makes sense. Like every multi billionaire is white and they have so much wealth that ignoring them by going from mean to mode salary drops it nationwide by several thousand dollars per year. One multi billionaire probably has more wealth than like all black americans combined, and then you have the others and then finally normal white people. I really would like to see the racial/gender numbers with them removed because those like 40 people have unfathomable wealth and only barely like poor whites more than poor blacks.

[@im_jerry]

I hope Alec isn't the average liberal, cuz in my opinion he makes them look bad. I feel the conservatives really did well, so did the liberals especially destiny, except Alec ofcourse. Bro had to include Elon Musk for literally no reason

[@trexpanda]

Liberals should disown him because he makes them all look bad

[@deeky1239]

No way you think Chandler did good dude. Be honest. Oh nvm, they cut out the parts where he said some dum sh, probably on purpose.

[@carsandsports123]

​@@deeky1239Where you there? How do you know what was said if it was cut? I agree he came off as a teen who knows more than everyone but only knows the surface level stuff. Xavier was MVP of the conversation I feel.

[@Cookie_Kaiju]

I almost feel like Alec was deliberately being a troll for the reactions because he was such a stereotype. 😂

[@aSSGoblin1488]

alec and stopoil protestors are a psyop

[@boiscooka232]

I feel the same 😂

[@microphonejacket]

I want Jubilee to do, "White Conservatives vs. Black Liberals" but that might get too crazy way too fast.

[@mallorycarpinski1160]

People in the comments were asking for Gay Conservatives vs Straight Liberals😅

[@briantucker7173]

That one would escalate quickly 😂

[@microphonejacket]

@@mallorycarpinski1160 That's the biggest oxymoron, ever!! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@microphonejacket]

@briantucker7173 Yes. Yes it would. 😅🤣

[@SIAN_1]

​@@microphonejacketNot really. I think there are a lot of gay people that are conservative. Ofc not as much as "liberals" but people need to understand that you don't need to agree with conservatives on every single thing to be conservative. Personally, I only support conservative economy, because economy is a priority for me.

[@shadowman2192]

“Throwing the baby out of the bath water” Is one of the absolute worst expressions I’ve ever heard.

[@BettyWhite2171]

It's not OUT OF. It's OUT WITH the water.

[@chrystianaw8256]

​@@BettyWhite2171exactly

[@Dakarn]

@@BettyWhite2171 He's a conservationist. hehe

[@BettyWhite2171]

@@Dakarn Lol 😆

[@thekingofnido]

its an old saying but has a lot of truth to it. it simply means don't throw out something valuable when you dispose of something useless or bad. in this context it had nothing to do with abortion....

[@ChandlerCrump]

Thank you for the reaction Amala!

[@ethandoodlez9987]

ITS THE GUY!!

[@brianatienza9814]

@ChandlerCrump U bodied Alec and the pedo glasses guy bro 👌🏿

[@claff4573]

You were so wrong in so many things you said but since you talked fast.....

[@andromedamessier3176]

@@claff4573 how is he wrong tho?

[@brianatienza9814]

@@claff4573 Alec didn't talk fast bruh! 😆

[@jaded5957]

What we as a community are needing is the moral compass that a working family traditionally brought before the government replaced the father in a large number of homes.

[@not_yo_cheez]

When that Alec guy told homeboy to “just breathe” I wanted to jump through my screen and fight him 😂😂 The gaslighting is real!! Oooh he has me sweating.

[@elizabethpearce4767]

Ooh, i loved you pointing out that MLK was not a particularly good man. For some our society we have a tendency to talk about historical figures in absolutes. MLK said some good things, therefore we are supposed to treat everything he may have said as gospel. Columbus did some good things so some try to idolize him, whereas some terrible things were done to natives by his explorations therefore he was terrible. The Founding Fathers owned slaves so we must discount everything good they did. It is ridiculous. Good people make mistakes, it doesn't undo the good. Not so good people can still accomplish great things and it is ok to acknowledge the good and the bad. We can learn from both. I will say that when kids are younger it is probably better to accentuate the good more than the bad, but to ignore it completely can be as harmful as focusing too much on the bad.

[@zeej80]

I love this!! Very good comment, I agree completely. Nuance is required to understand how complex people can be.

[@jenno5555]

This is so funny! I saw this video on my feed the other day. Then I thought, “ This is a video that Amala would react too” and here you are 😂😂

[@user-fu1gp9xp8e]

Giving someone everything, without helping them to become better people and self sufficient is a disservice to the people we are proclaiming to help.

[@Gray.Karen333]

Say it again for the people in the back!!

[@Steiner_Student]

Alec is an incel. Alec has his pronouns in his bio. Don’t be like Alec.

[@hubbabubba8083]

Destiny stated that he made more comments that didn’t make the Final Cut, it seems Alec was more bombastic even if annoying so he got more lines in the final episode

[@A-A-Ron1823]

Alec is the type of person who can’t look like the bad guy in any situation, always has to add ways of why he is amazing. It’s almost narcissistic. I know a few people who will say all they’ve done but in reality they did it to make themselves look good.

[@faithwork1]

I worked two jobs in college and grad school. I'm black and my parents were actually relatively well off. I did it so I could get used to being off my parents' teet. Lol I guess I was Republican all along!!!

[@Ota_ku69]

Oh? What was your major?

[@aspreedacore]

damn im a loser I barely manage one job and I do no schooling...

[@ahmorgan]

Don't fall into their nonsense. I was a black well off man, that has nothing to do with the bastardization of history conservatives pull, the attempt at burying black American history and contributions to society, and the impacts of red lining on black Americans collectively. It's actually an insult to the ancestors to claim conservative due to all of the foolishness and hateful rhetoric they have pushed over the centuries.

[@TheNinjapancake14]

Same, but I’m liberal

[@DramaStar754]

On reparations, i feel like instead of giving black people, it should be invested more into inner-city schools and neighborhoods to provide better resources and opportunities. I think one thing the liberals glossed over is that funding of majority black communities starts at the state level and in a lot of liberal states, their policies do not end up helping black people at all. Johnny Harris did an op-ed on this for the NY times. People should give it a listen.

[@DreadnoughtFiend]

Any specifics you could go in here? Though again I'm all for better funding those schools

[@doug6259]

This would make more sense then simply handing everyone a check.

[@DramaStar754]

Off the top of my head, I think of funding for textbooks that are up to date, new computers, school renovations, etc. One thing i hated about BLM was that the amount of money they made didn't do any of those things. Another thing is that at certain city council meetings that focus on affordable housing are more often voted in favor of single family homes even though more affordable housing would probably alleviate the homelessness issues in places like California and NY, and these are liberals voting agaisnt this. I don't think flat out giving black people money will be beneficial, but utilizing money at the base level towards better resources will set the community on the right path. I'm a black non-conservative/non-liberal, so I don't have an extreme take on a topic like this, but in my experience, i don't know many black people that are active in their community council meetings to vote on issues that directly affect their communites, so it's also on black people to step up and not just the local governments.

[@ca8944]

@@DramaStar754just giving housing to the homeless doesn’t alleviate homelessness. They would need to go to rehab to get off drugs and/or get mental health treatment and/or get a job or enter some kind of job training that guarantees a job.

[@DramaStar754]

@ca8944 I'm not saying just give housing to the homeless, I'm saying there are people who have full-time jobs that can't even afford housing there. If housing were more affordable, less homelessness would be a result. This may be a surprise, but not everyone that is homeless is like that because they're on drugs or mentally unwell. There are people that choose to live in tents because they can't keep up with the rising cost of living, so again, it starts at the base level of policy creation to solve these issues.

[@h077y]

I have considered myself pretty liberal for years now but lately I’ve been getting so sick of the constant push to have to agree with all extreme leftist ideas, lest you be labelled a bigot. I wish I could show this video to all black leftists, because for a long time I’ve really struggled how to express to those people that ‘No I swear I’m not racist, but I don’t think what you’re expecting is fair, and there are plenty of other black people who are also of an opposite opinion to you; so how do you get to say “this is the correct opinion, otherwise you’re racist” and believe that only you hold the correct opinion, OVER other black people?

[@cassiel.6918]

The audacity of that Alec guy.

[@QueenieEileenie]

There’s more to the destruction of the nuclear family than the existence of welfare. I’m a single mom and I don’t qualify for government assistance. I am struggling financially and still make too much money. I could get a job that pays me less but that would mean a shitty apartment in a shitty neighborhood and that’s not what’s best for my daughter. For me, there’s no financial incentive to not have her father around. Actually, staying with her dad would have benefited me. I don’t want to say people are being lazy and choosing the welfare life but… idk. Maybe it’s something else.

[@WakenerOne]

I briefly dated a woman who was on assistance. Every week, she would arrange that her hours at her job were reduced so as not to lose her benefits. I'm not saying that the hours would have made up for the assistance check, but the whole setup instilled in her the "this is my ceiling" mentality. I also had a supervisor at a 40-hour a week job that was definitely not stingy about offering overtime every weekend. This guy, a supervisor! had to make sure that he never got more than 35 hours or HIS benefits would have been cut. This was not a lazy man, either.

[@QueenieEileenie]

@@WakenerOne so maybe it’s not laziness. Maybe welfare breeds this mentality. It’s sad. There’s no chance for success if you’re purposely sabotaging yourself so you can get government assistance.

[@HiredGun5]

I'm very surprised that someone actually brought up the Irish slaved in north America. I have been able to document 2 people on my mother's side that were actual slaves (not indentured servants) in Virginia in the early 1700's. They escaped to the Carolina region. Their children went back up north and became officers in George Washington's army, fighting the British. After the war they moved back to the Carolina region and reunited with the parents (escaped Irish slaves). Do I get forty acres and a mule???

[@thepsychomagus]

There is fact checkers that say that the Irish were never slaves. I find that to be Democrats of today to cover it up so they can pander to Blacks. I dont know if Whites ever got reparations for being in the White slave trade but I highly doubt it.

[@rayannaandrade6337]

I agree with you. It does incentivize them to not do a whole lot. I’m telling you as a 44-year-old person who used welfare in my 20s. Of course they encourage you to go to work, help you with your résumé ,provide you with all the resources to go to school but they’re not gonna help you become a doctor or lawyer . They will train you to be a dental assistant, or a file clerk. But some of those really worthwhile trades you have to go pay for yourself. A parent doesn’t qualify if they admit the “non custodial parent” is still around helping them. There will be issues with the benefits if they reconcile and come back. Part of the application process is to file for child support and collect. Whatever you can from that absent parent.. so it’s definitely discouraging a two parent family home. Couples can apply together, but they’ve got to be completely broke both of them unemployed. They can’t even say they just barely got a job and haven’t got paid. They will count that. I think there’s nothing wrong with getting a little help when you’re down but it’s not set up in a way that makes clients feel comfortable about getting off. The policies are set up in a way that people are scared to get off or tell the truth about their family structure. It’s a lot more complex than that. I totally agree with the conservatives as a former sociology student and welfare recipient and someone who was going to go into the field of social work. from being on the program and working as an intern in the human resources office I changed my mind about going into that field. It’s not helping people. California here

[@blujay6893]

When it comes to white people paying black people for past grievances, I just think something along the lines of “why should I pay you for something someone I never met did to someone you never met”

[@sky.abstract]

As soon as I saw this jubilee video I thought you'd probably do a reaction. Was looking forward to it!

[@454tyger]

People in general need to get over the whole skin color game. We personally have many racial mixes in our family and all families get along just fine. I also have friends in many ethnicities. I believe people want to be treated as people. Why can't everyone do that? I believe most people want to. Love your shows Amala. I appreciate that you try too make sense of an insane world

[@DoubleBeezy]

In Louisiana and Texas many ppl who identify as blk have someone in the family Predominantly European ethnic somewhere in the tree but don't claim all their ethnicities and IMO they should accept all their ethnicities at that point and just be American because how long can we guess which percentages was slavery fault. Its the same for ppl predominantly European ethnic with 20-30% I. The south with a grandparent Predominantly African ethnic. Most ppl mixed in America fall back into yt or blk boxes which is why I think race a joke and it's should be an American only option in American culture since Americans like to call everything a community and culture 😅

[@enamlennahc1701]

Just want to say Mr. Cam has been looking really great and healthy lately! Happy for y’all’s success.

[@WakenerOne]

Alec starts out interrupting and talking over Chandler, then goes to being condescending, to attempting to speak for him and tell him what he supposedly thinks. It strikes me as him thinking this person is an inferior who has no right or no ability to speak his mind in Alec's presence.

[@DonaldTrisch-ld6bb]

great episode , actualy felt like they were hearing one another rather than trying to shout each other down.

[@WinteringHeart]

Around 35:32, the woman talking about how corporations seek diversity and the dude arguing against it saying that’s not how that works? How about I used to work at Publix and my title was cashier but I worked in customer service. I was LITERALLY told they have a matrix grid that tracks demographics and I couldn’t get promoted to full time customer service staff yet because they were only looking for men of color or women, not white men. I was literally told that by my manager. So yes, she is correct. I ended up stepping down and and two girls I TRAINED got the promotion.

[@carsandsports123]

I work for Progressive and every quarter the celebrate the amount of white men in leadership going down and these quarterly updates are always pushing to lower the line. Another real story of negative DEI in corporate America

[@ruthiebenjamin1744]

Thanks for this reaction. I watched this last night - I appreciate your opinions. 💜🙏

[@Courtneyemily91]

Every time I want to comment something, you say it for me, Amala. I love it lol.

[@GamersSouthAfrica]

Give it up to Renee. She's wise ❤I love her mama bear energy, I felt like every word I was thinking she said it with class ❤

[@Donald6309]

My favorite thing to do when watching Amalas livestreams while high, is to play the guitar so when she nods her head to the video, it looks like she's headbanging to my songs lol

[@erictisdell131]

I love your positivity

[@FlyOverZone]

The Savior complex turns into the "devouring mother complex" where you destroy the very thing you consider yourself the savior of

[@christopherpeterson519]

Most of these arguements could be bettwr explained if we looked at people as classes instead of race. While there is a big overlap of poor and black, a lot of the same issues that "only affect black people" also have an effect on poor white, asian, latino, etc.

[@silentmayan5427]

"Giving people money doesnt hurt them" How many lottery winners blow their millions, lose it all, and develop severe alcohol and drug addictions?

[@jaded5957]

Wait, so the government/taxpayers should pay for the therapy to combat the trauma suffered by the descendants of slaves?

[@ramenqueen6245]

Im telling y'all i have a sixth sense. As soon as i saw this video uploaded by jubilee i was like "oo future amala vid."

[@davidu8688]

1st good one I've heard in a while without too much interruption or explaining

[@stroke_of_luck]

This seems to have gotten a lot better further in the program that I had seen it. I watched the first 5 minutes in which an old white liberal shouted down a young black conservative and wouldn’t let him speak, so i just gave up. It looks like it got a lot better

[@CassTeaElle]

My new kitten is so much more cuddly than my other cat, and it's been such a nice addition to our family to get to have cuddles with her every day. She and the older cat are getting along fairly well, but I think our older cat sometimes gets overwhelmed and stressed about the kitten being all up in her business all the time. She swipes at her sometimes, which I think is good, because it's teaching the little one where her boundaries are. Hopefully once the kitten gets a little older, she'll chill out a bit and not be quite as playful, and maybe the older cat will be less stressed. Kitten's getting spayed next week, so maybe that will help. I'm curious to see how our older cat reacts to the little one coming home all loopy from the surgery. Maybe she'll take her under her wing with her mama instincts and take care of her. All in all, taking in this stray kitten has been a really positive decision for our little family. I'm glad the cats have been able to get along well enough for us to be able to keep the kitten. Their names are Gallifrey and Melody, both named after Doctor Who characters, which is my and my husband's favorite show. So... what I'm saying, of course, is that clearly there is no meritocracy in this country.

[@katydid8229]

I worry that giving money without giving the skills or knowledge for them to change their own situations could create a situation of learned helplessness. Meaning, just giving someone money COULD actually hurt them.

[@LarissaDawn]

I rolled my eyes so hard at the end when Alec started talking about taxes that I physically hurt myself. XD Now I look like : x.x

[@kiwibug07]

To that last prompt in response to that older brother guy, as someone who has an older sibling who felt the need to be an extra parent: please stop "helping" people whether they want it or not and let them stand on thier own.

[@user-fu1gp9xp8e]

Exactly Amala, it would be like putting a Kindergartener into High School (which makes the Kindergartener or parents temporarily feel good) but it won't end well or help them when testing and success is concerned.

[@LilithinMerria]

Many people like to discuss affirmative action, but far fewer mention legacy admissions. I wonder why?

[@thepsychomagus]

there was a video from Jubilee or a different YT channel similar to it that discussed legacy admissions.

[@chihirokannda7501]

The existence of a disparity is not evidence of race-based discrimination

[@RaefonB]

"We're just having a discussion, nothing that's said in this conversation is gonna change the world" - I think that's a disclaimer that we all maybe need to say out loud when talking/debating about topics that we feel strongly about because they're personal to us? I think a reminder that no policies or laws are being made off the back of what speakers contribute might help keep emotional responses to one side and let reason come to the forefront. Otherwise, it's understandable why people freak out a bit when they hear their viewpoints being 'invalidated' (not that it was happening in the Jubilee vid when Amala said this, I just mean in general). Everyone should take a breath, step back, and remind themselves of the disclaimer. :)

[@ericdubert5983]

In this country, for many years it was considered rude or poor form to discuss politics with company that might not share similar thoughts, and while this may be socially reasonable, democracy demands discussion. There was a time when perhaps reasonable people elected to political offices would have those discussion on the behalf of the public, but the drive for re-election amongst those people today has resulted in a rhetorical fight club that has drawn us all into their fights. It was largely nice to see a largely well-reasoned, reasonable and polite discussion. There needs to be a grass roots campaign to create just that, a reasoned and polite discussion of issues of the day where the American public, across party lines, leads elected officials and sets policy and agendas, not the other way around. If they are public servants, then the public needs to speak clearly as to what they want and how best they are served.

[@krystine3029]

Corporate dei is huge with my company. It's all about being able to say they check the boxes

[@legitlyspelunking]

Semi-related to the topic, I'm metis living in Canada, and while going through school and covid, there was financial assistance readily available to me. While I did desperately need it and could see the "reparations" side of it, I kept finding myself wondering what support white people in my same situation would have. I see the answer now in the increased homeless population in my city. We need support available for all people, not just select minorities, and especially not based on something so superficial as race.

[@crystalgridart3610]

I just followed you on Instagram and saw that Joe Rogan follows you! How cool, Amala!

[@EasyLawBot1]

Thanks @Amala Ekpunobi: Unapologetic for posting this video about affirmative action / supreme court. Here are the viewpoints expressed by Supreme Court justices regarding affirmative action. 1) This case is about a group called Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA) who sued Harvard College and the University of North Carolina (UNC). They said that these schools were not fair in their admissions process because they were using race as a factor, which they believed was against the law. The law they referred to is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment*. 2) The Equal Protection Clause is a part of the Fourteenth Amendment that says that every person should be treated equally by the law, no matter their race, color, or nationality. The SFFA believed that by considering race in admissions, Harvard and UNC were not treating all applicants equally. 3) The Court looked at the history of the Fourteenth Amendment and how it has been used in the past. They also looked at how other cases involving race and college admissions were handled. They found that while diversity in a student body can be a good thing, it must be handled in a way that treats all applicants fairly and equally. 4) The Court also looked at the idea of "strict scrutiny*". This is a way for the courts to look at laws to see if they are fair and necessary. If a law or policy is found to be unfair or unnecessary, it may not pass strict scrutiny and could be considered unconstitutional. 5) The Court found that the admissions systems at Harvard and UNC did not pass strict scrutiny. They said that the schools' use of race in admissions was not clear or specific enough, and it resulted in fewer admissions for certain racial groups. They also said that the schools' use of race in admissions seemed to stereotype certain racial groups, which is not allowed. 6) The Court also said that the schools' admissions systems did not have a clear end point. This means that there was no clear plan for when the schools would stop using race as a factor in admissions. This was another reason why the Court said the schools' admissions systems were not fair. 7) The Court decided that the admissions systems at Harvard and UNC were not fair and did not follow the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. They said that the schools' use of race in admissions was not clear, specific, or fair enough to be allowed. 8) However, the Court also said that schools can consider how race has affected an applicant's life. They can look at how an applicant's experiences with their race have shaped them and what they can bring to the school because of those experiences. 9) In the end, the Court decided that the admissions systems at Harvard and UNC were not fair and did not follow the law. They said that the schools' use of race in admissions was not allowed because it was not clear, specific, or fair enough. 10) So, the Court decided that the SFFA was right. They said that Harvard and UNC were not treating all applicants equally in their admissions process, which is against the law. They said that the schools needed to change their admissions systems to be fair to all applicants, no matter their race. *The Equal Protection Clause is a part of the Fourteenth Amendment that says that every person should be treated equally by the law, no matter their race, color, or nationality. *Strict scrutiny is a way for the courts to look at laws to see if they are fair and necessary. If a law or policy is found to be unfair or unnecessary, it may not pass strict scrutiny and could be considered unconstitutional.

[@WakenerOne]

Amala, your point about ideologues . . . _funny you should mention that_ . . . Right now, I'm embroiled in a discussion with a PhD with whom I went to college, a guy semi-famous in comic book circles due to his dissertation. His premise is that anything - *_ANYTHING_* - coming out of Prager U, or out of Candace Owens' mouth is wrong. I am unable to even show him how preposterous that is to say about ANYONE. When I ask him to dispute specific facts cited in the videos, he refuses, instead sharing videos on completely different subjects, generally "[Person associated with Prager U] = BAD!" There is no changing his mind because he is completely unaware that the one he has is malfunctioning.

[@Rick-ez1nt]

“Giving people money doesn’t hurt them.” If you want someone to change their behavior you let them hit rock bottom. If you want them to continue to suffer you support their bad habits.

[@TrueEnergizerBunnies]

This could have been a good discussion and debate but the problem with these often is that nobody on either side cares to listen or learn. They just want to try and convince the other person and so these debates just turn into both sides talking a mile a minute, screaming over each ither, and we get nowhere. That's exactly how this debate went and it's a shame.

[@scottlucas5313]

I do need to go to sleep! Love you guys! Hurry up and save our country

[@colomaurze8384]

On the topic of welfare in Hungary - yes, they do give huge variety of financial support for families, also a contribution for building a family house, even bigger for one in the countryside. However, it is often not enough, especially taking into account the current economic crisis that is hitting Hungary the hardest out of the countries in the region. I came back from Hungary to my country of origin a little over year ago, and most of the things were cheaper than in my home country, now - everything is on average 30% more expensive. And the Hungarians have always been earning poorly comapred to other countries in the EU. I’m no economist, and I’m sure there are a lot of factors at play, but my message is: Hungary’s policy on families may sound good in theory, but if you have the whole picture of the country , it is not a heaven for families, and a lot of Hungarians complain about the giving away so much money at random.

[@shadowyashatoura]

That would be fun, let's grab the Popcorn!!

[@SanswayNuna]

If affirmative action hasn't accomplished its goal (according to the Alec) and that's his reason for why it needs to persist... my response would be, if it's not working, then why continue?

[@simonrioss]

damn she even got the OG intro animation for this one

[@sammiegirl883]

I grew up in Wisconsin and my family got welfare in the 80's and 90's. My parents were married, my father worked and when my younger brother was old enough to go to school my mother had to join the job program. Not all welfare programs in the US are the same or incentivize fatherless homes.

[@kabeeraspeakingg8971]

36:20 //You do not fix past discrimination with present discrimination.// Brilliantly said.

[@sophiathe1st358]

I met the President of Hungary and remember her talking about how college debt is forgiven based on how many children you have (a certain percentage per child) and I believe it was at 4 children that debt was completely forgiven (but I'm not sure if I remember those numbers correctly)

[@WorldAccordingToGar]

What you were speaking of when you speak about poverty, versus wealth, is not anything to do with affirmative action. That’s called “a scholarship“.

[@GaldoranGailthros]

Affirmative action creates the same kind of tension and issues like the PT test gender differences do for civil services. The data also paints that worse as well (women having to resort to their duty belt 70% more often for less dangerous calls)

[@EmmaKjohn]

My parents had a financial incentive to divorce. They still lived together and were together and in-love, in every sense of the word, but due to government policies it was financially necessary to legally divorce. Shouldn't have been necessary or incentivized the way it was.

[@Mendokusai99]

18:03 Hilarious. I'm a UIUC grad and had the same experience. But I said, "No, mothafucka, I'm here because I got a scholarship because of my test scores."

[@larissamobley1609]

I absolutely hate it when people say 'made up' or 'it's a myth'. It irritates me so much.

[@jamesdavidson6976]

25:45 if you took the 50 wealthiest people in America out of the equation those numbers would equalize pretty quickly

[@light-tk3pj]

My dads a physician, and he knew an older physician (PCP) who was very thorough with his non-black patients but he literally would not touch his black patients. He would listen to their concerns and diagnose and treat them without touching them. 😬

[@chriscaine1776]

The argument that giving people free money doesnt cannot hurt them while entirely ignoring the fact that the very same tactic used to train animals was used for years and continues today to be used as a way to remove the traditional family roles from homes, and in the past especially it was targeting predominately black areas across America. The idea that if i have $1000 and i give you $600 of my money but inturn you have to maintain the status of a single mother. Thats the same form of conditioning that is used to train a Dog in obedience Schools. If they want a treat or a toy they have to obey and do as instructed then as a postive reinforcement they are given a treat or a toy and if they go off and do their own thing they loose treat privilege or toys.

[@megg.6651]

Interesting how people who have been given so much over the past 50 years never acknowledge that and insist that they have been given nothing.

[@user-ti5dg5bd1f]

Mr Hat Dude, just wants to be right and prove he is the ultimate “I’m going to save you, even if you don’t want it”

[@morningivy]

The best time for financial and legislative reparations would have been during the Civil Rights Movements, when black people (like my grandparents) were at their smartest and strongest.

[@davidu8688]

Are we finally fixing people, seems like they made sense for the most part

[@CarlosHernandez-rl2wg]

Destiny hit some good points for the liberal side. The other guys were a bit overboard. The conservatives made alot of sense overall. Amala also made good points. Good debate.

[@barelymanilow7079]

Inequality is not a good measure for discrimination. There are more tall people who are managers than short people. As a short person I do not feel there is open discrimination against short people.

[@houseofmirrors7778]

Look. From one of the older folks in the room. Until you start from the very beginning and walk your way forward, looking at every year and decade and century, majority of the world will continue to get it wrong.

[@elseach6005]

So ridiculous. I didn’t have way more ANYTHING! I always made minimum wage and had to struggle to survive with two jobs most of the time until I married and had help from my partner.

[@elseach6005]

He’s ignorant and making up his “stats” the problem is educating people equally from kindergarten up.