REACTION: Queer vs Conservative Parents Debate (Part 2)

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You guys asked, so we delivered: here’s part two reacting to the rest of Jubilee’s Middle Ground episode pitting queer people against conservatives around the issue of parenting. Let’s get into it.
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0:00 - Parents need to have open dialogue about sex with their children
36:31 - Children should strive to meet their parents' expectations
34:37 - Elementary schools should teach about sexual orientation & gender identity
54:24 - Superchats!

[@Honeycoupe]

I would absolutely love to see “gay liberals vs. gay conservatives” on Middle Ground.

[@Red_Pill_things]

Gay conservative is an oxymoron

[@Godstud]

@@Red_Pill_things They exist, just as you can find conservative transgender people. Most transgender and gay people do NOT ascribe to the extremism that you usually see online.

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

Y'all need a gay conservative? I'm present.

[@clarissahinshaw6037]

@@Godstud Just because one doesn't ascribe to the extremism shown online does not mean they are conservative. The internet shows the extremes of both sides because that's what gets clicks. Most of them have their views in real life, but go to work and come home to their loved ones like anyone else. Gay and trans conservatives exist, but it's not the vast majority.

[@spliced7383]

I’m also a gay conservative people need to understand there is a difference between “Gay Culture” and the actual gay person.

[@Godstud]

Schools should not be teaching ANY ideology. No gender politics. Not race politics. Nothing. Teach them facts. Teach them how to think, not what to think(great line).

[@redacted2275]

Problem is intellectuals and doctors are changing the facts through studies that, whether you do or don't agree with them, are official enough for schools to rely on.

[@Cloudyvi]

Facts... but that's the issue nowadays. They think that facts are irrelevant, what's left to teach it's their ideology.

[@SuperKripke]

All American schools teach American exceptionalism which has done far worse than any fabricated threat like CRT and "wokeness".

[@brentthompson1607]

Schools should be teaching ideologies. Keeping children ignorant won't stop them from exploring things on their own.

[@NopeNotToday26]

I wholeheartedly agree. Before you try to rewrite the rules…make sure you understand the rules well enough before you think it’s worth re-rewriting. I wanna know how to think not WHAT to think. Children should be given that right and freedom.

[@mostlypeacefulgaydy6396]

As a lesbian I can tell you, all shame is going to do is push the kid to seek a "chosen" family. It leaves the kid completely open for groomers.

[@Gardenbabe96]

I felt like I could NOT go to my mom and dad with so many things , especially my dad. So that led to A LOT of lying and dishonesty, depression, and trust issues for years as a young person /teen.

[@ihateallyall]

i’m sorry that was your personal experience. I too had a rough childhood. but it doesn’t take away from the fact that a good mother and father raising a child is more ideal than a man and man or woman and woman raising a child.

[@Gardenbabe96]

@@ihateallyall no no! I'm on the same page as you lol I agree with you, I was just talking strictly with the issue of not feeling like I could be honest about everything in general

[@MrBulbobulbo]

I'm usually on the same page as Amala, but there's one thing I gotta say I disagree with. She says that elementary schools shouldn't touch on heterosexual relationships, but what about all those classic books that talk about love and relationships? I mean, think about it - we've got countless literary works that revolve around heterosexual relationships, like "Romeo and Juliet" and even the Adam and Eve story from the Bible. These kinds of relationships are kinda the norm, and that's probably why it feels like they're not explicitly being taught. Why not introduce just one book that features a homosexual relationship (not talking about sex, I mean a romantic relationship). It'd be a way of expanding horizons and showing that there's diversity in relationships out there. Plus, about Amala's point on not touching culture, religion, or socio-political stuff in schools - that's a tough one. Some literary works, they're just loaded with cultural, historical, and religious references. You can't really get the full picture without learning about that. I think it is really important to teach students about those different religions and cultures to help them better understand the text and really get what they're reading. Just my two cents! (BTW, I am from Europe so I am not familiar with the American curriculum. I don't know what books they've got students reading over there)

[@exomake_mehorololo]

Elementary schools??? They don't read or concern themselves w any of these "classic" books

[@exomake_mehorololo]

Elementary school is for young children not teens

[@PuffinPsychologist]

You know with the boundaries question: I think the example of “That’s your uncle you must hug them anyway” is an amazing context. Usually, the examples provided for that argument are always outlandish, unrealistic, or so extreme that no parent can relate but THAT specific example is literally a perfectly reasonable boundary for a child to have. I think all sides would agree.

[@clarissahinshaw6037]

You would think, but no. My relatives tried to force me to hug them.

[@PuffinPsychologist]

@@clarissahinshaw6037 That is not “all sides” stipulated in this debate. That is your specific experience and relatives. There will always be occurrences that are unique and go against standards or virtues.

[@clarissahinshaw6037]

@@PuffinPsychologist It's not unique. It's a common conservative belief.

[@robotninja3885]

The rule of thumb that I was told was "answer the question asked ... and only the question asked" ... I don't have kids but have a much younger sister who was indeed full of questions & it proved true with her. She didn't want to know or was ready to know more than she asked. "where do babies come from?" is actually a simple question & kids are more than able to add on more questions if they have more questions, when they have more questions. I was always shocked by what she was satisfied with AND then amazed that she'd circle back when ready and/or curious for more. The key was that she knew she could ask me anything and I'd be truthful. On her own time. It was a beautiful & humbling experience.

[@azayzelderegis1655]

"Why is it the teacher's job to talk to children about sex?" Because our abortion rate is so high, and there are so many *parents* who don't know jack shit about safe sex and thus are *incapable* of having those conversations with their children. OR the child can't talk to their parents about it because the parents are domestically abusive, neglectful, or the child is just extremely uncomfortable talking with their parents about sex. Sex education needs to be taught in schools! Teen pregnancy, rape, and abortion--all *HUGE* issues that could be solved with ubiquitous and LEGITIMATE sex education. "Legitimate" meaning absolutely nothing like what we have now. What we have now is a joke. If you're referring specifically to gender theory and gay rights, etc. then the children should be taught that these people exist and it should just be left at that. It really doesn't need to go beyond representation, as that girl Elizabeth mentioned.

[@keep_it_halal]

I went to an Islamic school in Egypt a few years ago, but some teachers were non Muslim. A couple students in my class asked one of our teachers what god he worshiped and he said that he believed there was no god. The students were shocked (like seriously taken aback) and started arguing with him and reported him to the school. Long story short he got fired for "preaching his religious beliefs." As an American Muslim I thought that was ridiculous because the students asked him, and he didn't try to convert them or anything. Mind you this was in middle school, and now children in elementary are being taught about lgbt and gender identity?

[@jennyp1753]

As a Asian American with immigrant parents, the whole tiger parents is part of the culture. Education is highly competitive in Asia. You take tests to get into certain middle schools, high schools, and college. Top companies in Korea only hire employees with degrees from specific high ranked universities. They don’t use calculators like in US math classes (calculus/trig). It is all done in their minds as they consider that cheating. Thus, my parents had those experiences and tried to have high expectations for me. When I was younger, I thought it was excessive. Being in tutoring, academy’s, so many activities, etc. However, now as a 30 year old, I appreciate every aspect they gave me. They weren’t able to have this amount of support growing up, so they work hard to make sure their kids can have these opportunities to learn an instrument, to take art classes, to have additional support in studies. It has NEVER been about assimilating into white culture but being the best you can be. My parents and most my friends parent don’t ever wants us to blend in with white culture but wants us to be better/more intelligent individuals in general. The American dream is not about being white but having the ability to work hard and have the thought process that if you work hard, you can achieve anything. Which is why Asians tend to rank higher in educational attainment in the US.

[@chuckcoleman8437]

Miss Ekpunobi I stumbled on your videos along with my daughter and must say you are a breath of fresh air. Your wisdom, reason and wit give me a glimmer of hope for this country and young people. Thank you!

[@honeysauce5244]

Having two parents is most ideal. You have to have differing figures in your childhood. If you have a mom and a mom or a dad and a dad that is fine. But the second you only have one parent you are put at an extreme disadvantage.

[@peropellie]

mom and dad is only ideal. however, if a kid is in the foster system and there is a loving same sex couple willing to adopt them and give them a good life, im all for it. but a man and a woman should always be the first choice.

[@Sam-df9rs]

Wrong.

[@Sam-df9rs]

@@peropellie No. Gays should not be adopting children.

[@peropellie]

@@Sam-df9rs i was just saying how it’s better than being in the emotionally damaging foster system.

[@nikemaria61]

@@Sam-df9rs any arguments for your statement or is it’s just hate ?

[@nah7656]

Around the 19:00 mark: teaching children anatomy and using proper language like penis and vagina, is imperative. Please anyone that is a parent, please teach your children this vocabulary. I was molested at 3-4 years old and i wanted to tell my parents but i didn’t know the words… rather than saying so and so touched my vagina, i said so and so saw me naked. Please parents, teach your children what is biologically normal. Our sex organs are not dirty words. Also, the very little i shared is vague because i dont care to type out every event that happened. My parents are not bad people either. Im sharing with hope that parents will understand the importance of vocabulary involving sex characteristics.

[@christyberkey8023]

Precisely!

[@ayarriba9093]

Penis and vagina are just biological words, we definitely should not place shame on them, and we should know what parts we have as children!

[@nah7656]

@@ayarriba9093 exactly and as I described, it's important for a child to communicate what is going on no matter the situation, and they need the appropriate vocabulary for it.

[@PrettyPrincess2614]

If you knowingly join a discussion with people voicing opposing opinions, YOU should be prepared to handle responses you may not like hearing. I watched the previous video, not once did anyone attack her or her parents, they merely gave their perspectives. I get some topics have emotions tied to them but she voluntarily joined this video and was versed before shooting, no one forced her to sit down with anyone in that room.

[@jerrykirby2066]

That was cool seeing you on FNT tonight, Amala. Checked out your story. What a 180. Welcome to this wacky side of the universe.

[@hondafreedom9329]

I think telling someone that their parent co-figuration is not ideal is something that you should keep to yourself; it's rude. However, this conversation will bring these types of things up. Actually, they did say it; saying your two-father parents are "less than ideal" is a value judgment and really an opinion. It might be not the norm but it is not less than ideal. In my opinion.

[@FronteirWolf]

Non ideal family setups can work though. My parents are split up. It isn't ideal and I don't need anyone to tell me, if they did I would agree with them. It does work but it obviously isn't what a society should be aiming for. You don't need to hear that your family is awful if someone says it isn't ideal, loads of non ideal things work well, but we should aim to construct the ideal.

[@ccrunchytoes9394]

@Loni how would u know, what's the reasoning behind it being "less ideal"?

[@ccrunchytoes9394]

@@FronteirWolf being divorced or splitting up and having same sex parents aren't the same thing, if that's what you're reaching for.

[@FronteirWolf]

@@ccrunchytoes9394 Never said it was the same thing, was saying less than ideal doesn't have to be interpreted as rude.

[@theguntersadopt3268]

My son gets to see two people respect each other and love each other. No matter what sex you are. You treat every person with respect.

[@fshsac]

I appreciate that there are limits and considerations about speaking to children regarding sex.

[@SuperKripke]

Conservative: I come from a less than ideal family TOO. Liberal: Elizabeth doesn't come from a less than ideal family. Conservative: you're just hearing that I said she comes from a less than ideal family but that's not what I said.🤪

[@freecat1278]

Even an older child is incapable of rating their childhood. You have to do this much later while going through Warren Farrel's books. Look at all of the professional athletes that continue through adulthood with an unhealthy relationship with their mother. Some people never figure this out.

[@Lilbootyhamsandwich]

I just now at the age of 23 on my 3rd pregnancy with my childrens father. Putting in all my efforts into bettering them have I really began to dissect my own child hood & understand how much I needed and didn’t receive. When I was a child I was not capable of understanding the situations my mother and I were in, i could never have comprehended it.

[@drricemice2046]

I think have a mom and dad is the best outcome but not having that doesn't mean you were not raised right just not the most optimal

[@kieranbrady1240]

Do you have any empirical evidence of this or is it just sentiment and conjecture?

[@LarissaDawn]

@@kieranbrady1240 EvIdEnCe. A man cannot teach a girl to be a woman and a woman can't teach a boy to be a man. Children need healthy sources of feminine and masculine energy in their lives

[@kieranbrady1240]

@@LarissaDawn spoken like someone truly allergic to evidence based systems of argument. Pretty sad really

[@miraclematrix4249]

This girl started crying say it been a while since someone told her she grew up wrong then said nobody said that then said the world is saying that unbelievable the victim complex plus she spat in the face of every single parent family

[@EricTitansSmith]

They said less than ideal. She had every reason to interpret that how she did. What was meant by that is obvious. If someone asked about your day and you said it was "less than ideal", your immediate though would be that something went wrong. No need to sugarcoat it.

[@miraclematrix4249]

@@EricTitansSmith Everyone lives the less than ideal life nothing is perfect do you have the perfect job do you have the perfect home do you have the perfect family structure perfect friends did you grow up wrong am I is everybody wrong cause nothing is perfect

[@mamsy1169]

@@EricTitansSmith she can interpret it any way she wants, but it’s still her responsibility to deal with her own emotions and feelings about it. ESPECIALLY if she is making something out to be something it’s not. Like if a black person gets their receipt checked at Walmart and thinks it’s because they’re black (when they check everyone’s receipts regardless of race). They can interpret it any way that they want to, still won’t change the fact that it’s wrong because race doesn’t have anything to do with it and doesn’t change the fact that their own emotions and feelings are their own responsibility

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@mamsy1169 well then let’s tell all kids of heterosexual parents “your family isn’t ideal” and see how they take that 🙄. I’m sure their parents would be THRILLED with you calling them a “non-ideal family” to their small child.

[@ca678.4]

@@EricTitansSmith these people are being disingenuous with their arguments with you. And bringing up point not relevant to the discussion. People breakdown and cry from life not being ideal all the time. The world is hard. But to get back on the main point, Not only were they saying it was not ideal, they were saying constantly that she’s missing something. That something was wrong with her for not having been raised by two different sexed parents. Come on now. That would break someone down after a while.

[@raicosp9720]

In the near future, for young children's safety, I as a parent would just opt to do homeschooling, because it has become so obvious on how they are being indoctrinated to meet an agenda.

[@eviannam16]

The girl crying in the video has two dad household. Many responded that having a mother and father is best for children but obviously love and care takes precedent over a mom and dad. She was so confident and vehemently opposed to having a mother and father was ideal for children in the first video. The break down came after hearing the mother next to her saying “I will do whatever it takes to create a safe space for my daughter to come to me.” This touched a nerve. And that is what is missing…When she kept asking “what is missing in my life from not having a mother?” She didn’t know it until she heard this OTHER mother expressing the great care she would take to consider what is best for her daughter. It’s something primal, that even if the head did not understand, the heart did which clearly evoked such a strong emotion. Of course she has to double down and say “it’s trauma from hearing other people saying her upbringing was less than ideal.” I’m sure MOST people grow up in homes that are less than ideal but they’re not going to burst in tears because someone said so. No, my friend, your heart is missing a mother who will “make sure that their daughter feels safe to come to them.”

[@battlefuta9953]

Bullshit I have seen plenty of grown women burst into tears regarding family values and so on.None of them a from same sex couples. And btw, that mom who said about safe space, said her self that she could never come to her traditional strict mom. So there is no difference by that logic

[@hondafreedom9329]

When I taught 6th-grade world religion introduction was in our text. Very interesting. Did not seem to pose a problem.

[@redacted2275]

I'm very tired of this type of duel... the couple being queer don't necessarily mean that they don't have conservative values. In my progressive years I knew a lot of so-called queers and LGTVHD+ people that had thoughts that were borderline reactionary, not even conservative... these kind of discrepancies that made me loathe the hypocrisy of it all. The agenda is the thing that screw us all.

[@oghenevokemuagba2306]

*LGBT

[@Kolibri71]

LGTVHD+? I see what you've done there 😂😂😂

[@alanmathews2718]

I was molested and neglected. That was normal. Normal is relative and not necessarily healthy. Words really do have meaning.

[@reginatemporis4465]

That was definetely not normal though

[@judelbugsrutter6727]

There are many toxic situations where DV and parental alienation is a thing that kids go through. Some even end up in the foster-care system. My nibblings were much safer and happier, when they were living in a single-parent household. Families are like tangrams. I’ve met kids who were better off with 2 gay foster parents than with their straight parents, also bad/poor fit dads (that were not mature enough when their own kids were born/just didn’t get on with bio-mum and jumped ship or were forced out) who are now amazing step-dads and filled a gap. Other step parents who did a better job than bio-parents. So if we are talking about bringing yin/Yan energy to the family like Amala mentioned last session (and I wish someone brought up in the room) then yes you need both, and you can get that energy from non-parental figures. Otherwise not necessarily.

[@BoosBeesAndBuddies]

I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this video. I had watched the original video previously, and had pretty strong feelings about it. We differ in a lot of our political beliefs, but I like watching your videos because it allows me to see the other side without feeling defensive of my own opinions. My one critique regards “teaching gay and lgbt education in schools.” You mention how you don’t want them teaching these sexualities, just as they aren’t teaching about straight sex. I think we can all agree that explicit sex should not be taught to young kids. I believe the point that the left is trying to make is that among history, English, social studies, etc, heterosexual ideals are baked into the fundamentals of it. For example, the majority of books read in English will mention straight relationships in passing. Now, there is nothing wrong with that. We just believe that it is important to include other identities in that normalized context as well. (Ie, a children’s book having two dads, just as it would have a mom and a dad). In the past, we taught through a “white only” lense. Children’s books contained only white people. Now, we can see our diversity in children’s books with biracial families, interracial relationships, blended families, etc. the push for lgbt representation in schools is to have our families represented in these books in the same way. Now books are just one example, because it’s baked into all facets of education, math problems, textbooks, videos, etc. it’s about encompassing more diversity and inclusion. Radicals may push for gay sex taught in school, but that does not represent the majority of our beliefs and what we are fighting for. I hope that I was able to provide some insight. Thank you! 41:55

[@eehlohluell]

I'm at around the 7 minute mark, I will edit as necessary. Nobody said her family was "wrong" just that it isn't "ideal" and even then, if you truly believe your family is perfect then there is no reason this should be affecting you unless you live in a bubble thinking nobody would say anything about your family being perceived as different(nobody prepared you for disagreement), or you subconsciously know there is something you do think is missing and it's painful for you to come to that realization about what you actually feel/think yourself.

[@kieranbrady1240]

What's the difference?

[@FronteirWolf]

@@kieranbrady1240 Well my family isn't ideal either, and if someone was to tell me that, I would agree that split parents are not the ideal family. I wouldn't hear them saying my family is wrong, the best was made out of a bad situation, I lived through that break up, I've gone through living between 2 houses. I know from experience it isn't ideal. But I also know there was nothing else that could have been done.

[@kieranbrady1240]

@@FronteirWolf I'm sorry to hear that, what is wrong with your family? Parents divorced? What was the cause?

[@sruthi2708]

Wow way to create a whole fake scenario in your head. If you were constantly told that your family is not ideal you would feel horrible too that people are unfairly judging your family. It has nothing to do with subconsciously feeling they are right. Y’all need to let go with the idea that you fully know someone based off of one instance. It’s weird and it shows you lack no empathy

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

I mean the majority of heteros screw their kids up but those children aren’t told “your family isn’t ideal” constantly. Imagine how that would hurt. You’re living your life surrounded by a loving family and then suddenly strangers and Karen’s are telling you “your family is unideal”. That’s going to fuck a child up. They can’t help that their parents aren’t what YOU consider IDEAL. They didn’t do shit. They just know that their family functions wonderfully and is full of love and happiness then you shit on them because it’s not how you wanted it to be. How can a child who loves their family not cry at that?!

[@kingsrowcollectibles6363]

Babes it’s you guys debating it’s us educating

[@DragonSkyNija]

I'm a guy with two older sisters and I can tell that our father had expectations on me and my other older sister to be like our oldest sister, and to help with the house work without getting to be ask, but if we did he was still not satisfied, he would complain how we did the dishes, or if we have missed some spots when we vacuumed the around the home, and we didn't either get a good job or thank you from him even if we did it like suprise when both our parents was not home, compare to our mom who was grateful that we helped. Another thing my school started good. I had my mom to help me with home work, but in around 3rd grade my dad started to drink alot and say very mean things and kinda scream at me if I didn't understand first time what my mom tried to explain to me, so I started slowly lie to my mom that we didn't have any homework or that I already had done them with a friend, even if I had some friends they need to go home themselves, later I got lazier to do my home work or ask for help, because I was afraid of my father and his short temperament.

[@deniciahernandez4091]

i feel like there are limits, and lines. you give them freedom, but talk to them about certain things, you cant control their behavioral when they are with you, but when you are with you need guidelines.

[@rebeccaanderson2244]

I appreciate the idea of teaching kids that you can say no to hugging your Uncle, As the example was used, But I think a big part is missing from that. I think part of consent is learning when it is OK to say yes to a safe situation that is not necessarily in your comfort zone, like hugging an Uncle. If you cannot learn how to live in the world that will have moments where you cannot follow your boundaries you will suffer.

[@nortoro1]

She misunderstood the assignment. The video was not about her, but somehow she made it that way.

[@sruthi2708]

And somehow you showed your an non empathetic freak

[@debbiek3774]

I don't think kids today are prepared for real-world situations. Normally, setting expectations teaches how to strive for individual excellence. No shaming just learning how to want to do the best they can. If they don't learn about hard work and striving to do their best in school and at home, the real world is going to be tough. Sometimes, you don't get to do what you want right away. I think it's unfair to your kids not to have them understand that if they want to "do what they want" in life, they are going to work hard for it. The biggest complaint I hear from employers is that they can't find people who want to work. Just a thought.

[@Zorriel]

funniest thing, I thought to myself, "somebody is going to cry, and it'll be on the queer side...." I was right lol

[@grammaurai6843]

Why do people think the fact that both men and women are necessary to reproduction is totally irrelevant to how children are raised?

[@Storm-jj6nq]

We don’t think it’s totally irrelevant, we just know it’s not totally *necessary* People have grown up to be successful, healthy, tax paying citizens- who had same sex parents, or single parents. The odds are against these people, sure, but it is not a necessity to *live* to be *healthy* the odds are not as large as people *make it out to be* In the case of same sex couples being parents, *most* same sex couples adopting have to wait *years* until they can even foster a child, let alone adopt. They go through so many checks and balances to offer a child a *home*, they are often VERY wealthy, and have a community of other successful people in their lives to serve as ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ influences, that people insist a child *needs*. It’s not “irrelevant”… but it’s not the end all be all.

[@New_Generation_Christian]

My question is...they can be uncomfortable around religious people but we can't be uncomfortable around trans women being women spaces...strange don't u think 🤔

[@wyloetakitimu4375]

10:39 So having a seven year old sister in law and about to be having my own daughter I see the consent thing differently. Personal boundaries are important for kids to learn be it with relative, friends or strangers, even with my nephew (2 ) if he doesn’t wanna be hugged or smothered he says no and that’s that. Teaching kids what’s appropriate and that they have a voice to say no to bad things is important and if you leave it up to the schools you’ll get negative results. When you as a parent open the dialogue it means your kids will come to you, and this goes with everything

[@hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii540]

These types of videos made me realize how great Indian culture is..

[@CassTeaElle]

What that guy said at the 52:00 mark about sex ed moving into talking about pleasure is directly because of homosexuality being embraced and normalized in our society. Because think about it... if you want your sex ed to be "inclusive" of homosexuality, how can you NOT make pleasure the focus? That's all gay sex is about. There is no procreative element. It HAS to be about pleasure if it's going to be gay-inclusive.

[@marcysabbath424]

Normal isn't necessarily good. And hell, most people aren't from a surrogate. Especially with two different kids. You are unique and that is fine. There is nothing wrong with being different especially if your family is happy. Embrace it. Not many people can say that they have a happy family especially with two parents.

[@CaptainMrSir-ou4ud]

Around 15:00 i really understood and felt that. When i was younger classmates knew and talked of sex or p0rn (i was 7-8) my mum caught me searching it because i was curious on what it was and she shamed me. Im 16 now and i found any topic around sex like forbidden to talk about to my parents (stressful) and i always kinda wished she knew a better way to talk to me about it because for a long time i grew up thinking i was shameful for being curious on what it was.

[@JTP1999]

How can she nobody is screwed up by having 2 moms or 2 dads when she is currently showing how screwed up she is because she has 2 dad's? Math ain't mathin.

[@dragonrings14]

Wait right at the end, did that guy just say he doesn't think Earth Science (eg geology, meteorology, oceanology etc) should be taught at school. Why would he not want his kids to understand basic science?

[@ethanthomas6731]

My understanding is that he was saying it seems like earth science is trivial and a relatively niche interest. It might interest a kid who reads a Scholastic book in the library about it, and exposure to these potential career paths is good, but a proper school subject category should be skill-oriented like music or grammar, that represents a skillset we want everyone to grow up with for the betterment of society.

[@laurajeannedarckagina9637]

we used to learn ma famille est compose de in nursery and they always said my family is made of mom, dad, and the kids. which mine was not. so in a way, they should let each child figure out.

[@slappe5800]

Shame none asked why in the world would it be nessesary to talk about heavy sexual content or gender stuff at such a young age. Same thing as you don't show young kids horrible torture pics.

[@Mendokusai99]

Mostly good comments, but I can tell the hosts don't have children. Ideal world parenting is not useful in the real world. Sometimes you have to put your foot down and stop a certain behaviour dead in its tracks.

[@Angelic43GR]

Yes they need but ok don't hate me but gay parents are good parents too. I saw a gay couple who adopted a little girl, others saying blabla she has no female role model in her life but her aunt is every day there. Trust me I trust more gay parents instead of trans and woke parents.

[@yenahbrown4675]

That’s how usually same sex parents are. People keep forgetting that grandparents, aunties, uncles, cousins, god mothers/fathers, and other family members exist. Amala doesn’t seems to understand that

[@markymark723]

I actually think you misunderstood what the Indian trans woman said. Many Indian people idolize white people. Not black people, Asian people, or even just the general American people. They idolize white people and are often racist to other non-white races…sometimes even their own. So I think when she meant white society she truly meant in the context of Indian people admiring white culture or how white people are often portrayed to them in a positive way and not so much in the context of “ we live in a white dominated world” but that’s just my take

[@maccimusprime]

girli with the two dads crying out of nowhere to change the promt in order to gain pitty and validation

[@whyme16]

Never had sex ed talk with my parents but i was exposed to sex very young because of tv. My parents were in their early twenties when they had me and they made a lot of mistakes which damaged alot of my feelings toward my parents. My mom used to put on horror movies and more adult geared movies and she just assumed i wasnt paying attention to it and my dad was rarely home and when he was he was terrifying to me because he was a 6 foot something gaint man who was loud, angry and raised us like we were in the military. I was both pressured with high expectations and told i wouldnt amount to anything so id say it really did mess up a lot of my early adulthood and im paying for it now.

[@andrewvelazquez7179]

I think the emotions regarding Elizabeth are justified in the sense that she is still a minor who's emotions are not fully developed, and although she has had an amazing life, people outside have continually said things about her situation her whole life and as a child, this conversation was probably too much for her at the time because it seems to be a sensitive topic for her, only on the sense that people have always tried to tell her its wrong how she was raised etc. Its hard for a kid to hear that. Hell, it's even harder for adults to hear that sometimes lol

[@tafferchuck1349]

It was great having you on FNT... Tho I will always be a much bigger fan of you than Gary or anyone else. Except Matt... He just outranked you the other day

[@RoyBoy442]

You don't need mom and dad. As man he grew up in single mother house. You need good male role models. It doesn't have to be your father. My father was murdered by a drunk driver when I was five.

[@tashacooper1753]

For real my mom took anatomy and psychology class so she had a medical book my parents just wanted us to be good people we had lots of different holy books and understanding if I don’t want to struggle don’t be a teen mom

[@DreddPirateRoberts]

58:14 - Yeah, don't teach your child earth science. Wouldn't want them to learn that the planet is older than 6,000 years. 🤡

[@the_rachel_sam]

I’d really like it if people stop using such a generalised and outdated figure for divorce rates lol. I just see the same numbers thrown around and assumptions that aren’t true as evidence in arguments.

[@BroJo676]

It's true that statistics say different-sex couples have a 19% divorce rate while same-sex couples' counterpart reaches 16%. More accurately, lesbian couples divorce at 34% when gay couples do so at a much much lower rate. Interestingly enough, statistics also say around 44% of lesbian and 61% of bisexual women have experienced forms of rape and physical violence by an intimate partner as compared to 35% of straight women, and 26% of gay men and 37% of bisexual men have experienced forms of rape and physical violence by an intimate partner compared to 29% of straight men. So I don't really know what the Black woman was trying to prove but statistics is like karma, a bitch only if you are.

[@dianehewitt6921]

I think back when my son was 16. His female friends mother passed when she was a child. On her 16th birthday my son brought this young lady home "Mom you half to help my friend her boyfriend is not treating her well she needs a motherly role". I wonder if children that come from same sex marriages should have a mentor for their child's opposite gender

[@Elizabeth-kn4jh]

I think a two parent same-sex household could hold up if there was a strong presence of say an aunt or another woman family member in the child’s life.

[@shadesteel9247]

My only problem with that is that a strong female role model isn't the same as a mother, that role will never be replaceable, same with fathers. I have no problem with same-sex parenting, but we have to admit that it isn't necessarily the best or ideal across the board. Ofc though we also have to accept the fact that it doesn't matter that much because any tested and willing parents would be great for a foster kid, regardless of sexuality.

[@eehlohluell]

I agree with both comments above. I think I can safely assume we are not saying same-sex households are "wrong" so hopefully no one is reading this and assuming we are saying there is anything inherently negative about it, just that there may be an absence of something important, therefore it is important to at least supplement that with a strong aunt or uncle presence.

[@tacticixn]

a two parent same sex household has held up WITHOUT that. Are you implying it’s never happened before???

[@eehlohluell]

@@tacticixn lmao obviously /s 😂 love the satire, some people would really think that's what they are implying lol

[@Elizabeth-kn4jh]

@@tacticixn I think a child ideally needs a strong presence of adults of both genders growing up otherwise it could feel like something is missing.

[@randomdude3646]

The dudes mic needs a low frequency cut. Too boomy

[@isaacbentleygorski1532]

Or did you even talk to your parents? some parents are not accepting but assuming your parents won't talk to you about it is on you.

[@lululolo200]

I don‘t think it‘s a believe or a choice to be gay and that I think we should‘nt put gay people and trans people in the same bucket all the time, because it‘s very different. It‘s maybe a believe how you act on your homosexuality, but I think it‘s totally different to the rest of lgbtq

[@Elleroch1990]

I’m not empathic for the girl with two dads she seeking attention from the beginning when she was acting strong she wants to play victim

[@danielmorgan5276]

58:15 Did he just ask what earth science is? Just because we have more to learn, doesn’t mean there isn’t something worth teaching. We need our kids knowledgeable enough to be curious. Earth science does not conflict with any rational belief/religious system. And it should be taught that way. There is no reason for a teacher to discount other beliefs in the process. Believing the world is flat or that it’s 5k years old are not rational beliefs.

[@afd4017]

33:50 I don't understand why you would give her "that look" when it's pretty clear that when immigrant families come to america they have a favorable view of white society & want their children to blend into their culture, mannerisms etc.. because that is what they tend to perceive to be the ultimate form of success.

[@elizabethsmith8176]

Her point is that is not white society, but American society which is multiracial.

[@afd4017]

@@elizabethsmith8176 🤦🏽‍♀️they come from ex colonised countries, war stricken dysfunctional (in many instances) & the image of the white saviour (Jesus) is in many Afrikan & Indian immigrant parents minds. They want their children to be successful & heavily emphasis that they stay away from rebellious “victim minded” “dangerous” “thug” race baiting” black Americans as they are people who are still complaining about racism etc.. & they will ruin our chances at being accepted by white society. They (immigrant parents) teach us to get close to white society, make white friends with white youth (marry them if possible) & be a good hardworking “American” immigrant - live the American dream🙃 If you don’t understand it now then just ask around. I’m from kenya & I know what that immigrant mindset is like. Our parents love white people & are passive in front of them because they subconsciously feel as tho they were saved from their savage home countries. It’s sick & they have no knowledge of history, neo-colonialism etc.. they think that our people have never contributed anything to civilisation until the western man blessed us with their intellect (& this is false btw).

[@elizabethsmith8176]

@AF D I am not sure that is true for all immigrants. My husband's parents are immigrants and I have friends who are immigrants, and they definitely do not have this mindset.

[@littlecatfeet9064]

Having two mums or two dads isn’t ideal. Having a mum and a dad isn’t ideal. The best framework available involves aunties and uncles, grandparents and childcare workers, all vetted to within an inch of their lives of course and all loved by their “village”. This gives older relatives a purpose, children a sense of being cared for by many adults and a neutral/positive role for paid caretakers. It forces all the adults around to put the child’s welfare and interests first, and if there’s a dodgy person in that group the others will find and ‘take care’ of them.

[@knightwoman6595]

Having a mum and a dad is ideal. Having a mum and a dad in a healthy functioning marriage is MOST ideal.

[@thomaslanham3863]

All it takes is a good mother and a good father . It doesn't hurt to have good relatives , but you can throw your kids to the 'village' idiots if you want to .

[@Noname-wi8xp]

@@thomaslanham3863 That would be my concern. All voices you allow into something personal like raising kids or your marriage is more opinions you have to take into account. It’s more people whose opinions & judgments you invite in. All it takes is one person giving input at the wrong time when your child is going through something difficult to open the door to an adult outside the immediate family unit they are confiding in. It can get dangerous & can surprisingly quickly create an us versus them dynamic. This can even happen with grandparents. Raising kids is one of those issues people tend to have strong opinions on. You have to be careful who you invite into sacred spaces.

[@Godstud]

You can only judge whether or not you grew up in an ideal household, by how well you turned out. We only learn how good or bad it is, when we talk to other people about our childhoods. Then we can come to realize if it was great or not so great.

[@nishadgulvady5534]

Agreed. I'm all about intergenerational households. Putting elders away in a nursing home as many Americans do is bizarre to me

[@Renwa82]

Yes, kids need mom and dad

[@ccrunchytoes9394]

why?

[@mst-pierrem5729]

This interlope of emotional burst should of been cut. It wasnt part of that question !

[@dabidibup]

37:23 At least she admitted it's basically a religion Isn't that what "Sunday School" is for? Teach technical skills at "real" school, teach values at Sunday School/Woke School?

[@eehlohluell]

I caught that too! At least they are finally acknowledging it is a belief system/ideology, not necessarily a fact/concrete truth.

[@ryanmccafferty8196]

Rainbows do not necessarily correlate to pushing an agenda. I don’t think kids will look at these rainbows and think “wow, I’m gay now!”

[@drawntowardmadness]

What is the intro music???

[@andrewtully4458]

What a joke it's 100% natural to be parented,you just can't guarantee they'll be good 1s 🥰

[@ninjaeris131]

I'm was doing pretty good and thought Amala was great... until the orientation one. Elementary schools are not going to be using the word like homosexual or heterosexual relationships, they're going to keep it simple and clean; someone has a mom and a dad, this person has a dad and a dad, this person has a mom and a mom. And if they ask why (which kids do 99% of the the time) they should keep it simple as well; just like a girl and a boy like each other, two boys or two girls can too. Simple and Clean like the KH opening song. Edit: bubbles point about boys going into one classroom and girls going into another I think that they should still do that but also switch it around so that the other side of the spectrum understands what's going on with them because if the girl doesn't understand the boys anatomy and the boys doesn't instead of girls anatomy, things can get murky and can lead to misunderstandings on both sides.

[@Red_Pill_things]

The world needs shame

[@Storm-jj6nq]

If the world didn’t have SHAME, there would be a lot LESS suicide. The world has shame.

[@Knightly_Gaming_]

My ex grew up living with her mother and oh my God. Does she not know how to treat a man

[@millie.s]

wait i forgot Americans pick the subjects they take…

[@littlelotus4572]

11:00 gonna be honest letting kids explore that on social media is just inviting groomers and sexual exploitation. Kids need to be kept away from that crap

[@nicoled5160]

Queer kids deserve to be represented in school. It's about not oppressing kids also. No reasonable person want sex acts taught to their kids. Knowing we exist is sufficient.

[@Inu-inu-Okuchi-no-Makami]

That makes sense that’s why she’s so screwed up and her points is flawed

[@nicoled5160]

yes, others shouldn't tell us our family isn't normal or wrong. Two loving parents is a score compared to all the messed up parents out there. Many gay people had fucked up straight family and we made healthier families that were queer.

[@xwrtk]

-One of Elizabeth’s dad spoke out in the comments. She held in crying for about 10 min as she couldn’t stand the conservative dads saying she’s missing a mom/missing something as people keep saying that to her. She doesn’t feel like she’s missing a mom as she never sought out or wanted a mom. -Also, to comment on the pornography topic in books. Almost none of the parents are commenting on the clear pornography/heavy sex in Shakespeare plays. Queer and heterosexual heavy sex content in the plays. A Shakespeare play that I had to read in 8th grade was banned in my high school’s theater group as they weren’t going to act out pornography regardless of time period.

[@shadesteel9247]

Tbf alot of shakespeare isn't that sexual outside of hormonal teens being hormonal teens. And you can easily skip over a sex scene in a play as well, it would just need to be lightly edited. And its not necessarily about what a kid wants, its more on what a kid needs. I think that same-sex parenting is fine, but we can't ignore the actual importance of a mother and father in a household. Those roles can't just be replaced by just any woman, especially if that woman isn't the mother of the household and just someone from the outside. Same goes in the reverse, a father is important and we've seen that especially with whose been put in our jails.

[@LarissaDawn]

Elizabeth interpreted it at the conservatives saying there's something wrong with HER. What they were actually saying is that she will never have access to a mother-daughter bond because she doesn't HAVE a mother.

[@xwrtk]

@@shadesteel9247 -There’s prostitution, gay sex, explicit heterosexual sex acts, sex workers, trans people transitioning, other in depth queer experiences in Shakespeare plays that have been required reads at select primary schools. Transitioning without modern day medicine as the time period of his plays isn’t present day. -It has to be a good mother and father household regardless. Grandma’s have replaced mothers since the beginning of time when needed. The black conservative said his mother never talked to him.

[@shadesteel9247]

@@xwrtk you're comment doesn't affect my point at all. It can mostly be edited out to be childfriendly and the majority of the stuff comes from hormonal teens. And grandmothers are not a valid example for a replacement of mothers, same with grandfather. The best case scenario for a child is both biological parents being on top of their shiy instead of putting their problems on everyone else around them. Grandparents did their work already, they should be seen as an addition not the minimum.

[@reginatemporis4465]

The thing with the ol'Shake P and a lot of those "themes" in his plays is that they're really just retroactively put in (by the means of interpretation, not that there are just new pages added). For example, there's literally zero trans people in his plays. Most things that people interpret as a "gay relationship" today, do not mean two people of the same sex having a romantic relationship. There's no explixit sex, because there could bo no explicit sex on a stage back then. @@xwrtk

[@michaelparylak5649]

If I'm being honest I guess I really am glad that I discovered the pleasures of orgasm. Many years before I discovered pornography. 🙂

[@Laura.daye23]

I think talking about pleasure should be part of the conversation at the appropriate age (= whenever it's legal in your country to have sex). Why is this important? Because it's still a very sad reality that young women have no idea how to obtain sexual pleasure compared to young men. And even if they do know how to obtain sexual pleasure, they don't expect to get it from their partners. The reality of the matter is that if you only focus on procreation, you will inevitably teach them that everything revolves around the male orgasm and that intercourse is the only way to have sex (which is known to be one of the least successful ways to orgasm as a woman).The female orgasm and pleasure in general is still seen as a secondary, less important part of sex, because it's unnecessary to procreate. You don't have to teach sex acts, but you can at least acknowledge the importance of pleasure for BOTH partners. I'm a lesbian and frankly, I have never experienced an 'orgasm gap' because between women it is understood that both partners equally deserve pleasure. Unfortunately, when I talk to my straight 30-year-old girlfriends about this, the conversations are really shocking. Most of them think having an orgasm is rare and difficult. When I ask them if their boyfriends orgasm every time they have sex, they respond: "of course!" ... And yes, you could say this is something they can figure out for themselves, but please... Is it really fair to women that most of them must experience bad sex partners and think this is normal?

[@aris6756]

I think the whole argument of it has to be two sexes is dumb as heck. In some society the whole tribe cares for the children lol. The most important thing to human being is examples of respect, love, understanding, and communication...everything else comes second.

[@user-pn4ik4jy9l]

Sooooo she is a science experiment then….

[@lindasteinbrenner8065]

Yes children should try to live up to their parent’s expectations, no sex education beyond biology and the separation of girls and boys for the puberty talk. Yes, you should have sex discussions with your children age and cognition dependent.

[@shadesteel9247]

People will always argue the worst case scenario to disagree with your points, but everything you said is completely solid for the majority of situations. Its too bad that people are so scared to state what's been proven best when people's feelings are at stake.

[@sruthi2708]

@@shadesteel9247 show me proof that this is the best way? Give me hard research? Children are human beings with there own wants and ambitions. It’s not there job to live up to your expectations

[@shadesteel9247]

@@sruthi2708 the proof is that humanity has made it this far and basically every lasting society has felt the same way about those relationships as well as parenting. I'm all for same sex rights but this is really not the argument to make when the counter argument is literally in our biology.

[@sruthi2708]

@@shadesteel9247 so you have no research is what your telling me

[@shadesteel9247]

@@sruthi2708 so you don't understand why we have functioned in the same way since literally the beginning of time. Look deeper and actually think about why things came into existence with common sense for a second and then reply.

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

Of course they do. That is Gods design.

[@shonehi546tim9]

Shame is about establishing the standard that needs to be met. The earliest possible for kids to understand that standards have to be met, the better.

[@kevin2960]

This is also unfair argument. Because the science shows if you're only going to have one parent the father actually turns out better unless the children are below 4 years old. So having two dads and I would presume one of them is a masculine figure theoretically should raise good children as long as they're dedicating themselves to raising their children like any parent should.

[@Elizabeth-kn4jh]

Where are the studies that show this please?

[@shadesteel9247]

@@Elizabeth-kn4jh just look it up mate, this is youtube, they owe you nothing lmao.

[@dennyden7612]

Financial stability is a major factor. Single dads tend to have a higher income and are less likely to be living in poverty than single moms.

[@kevin2960]

@@dennyden7612 This is a factor however the main psychologists in the study presumed the most important reason is men provide structure. For boys they are a role model and girl they want to protect, also a good father gives her a idea of what a good man is. Boys with father's(single or both parents) are 45% less likely to go to jail. There are also facts about girls but I'll get attacked just for saying it 😂

[@dennyden7612]

@@kevin2960 That also maybe a factor, especially among boys, but it’s not a noticeable one. When it comes to a child’s upbringing between a single mom or dad, single moms with a good quality of life were reported to have just about the same positive results as single dads with a good quality of life. Studies on single moms and dad always bring up economic advantages and disadvantages as a main factor. Economic disadvantage is linked with lower academic achievement and increased behavioral problems among children. High income, high education level, and professional job status were positively correlated with the QOL of single mothers. Residential instability, higher stress levels, depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, and alcohol-related problems were negatively associated with the QOL of single mothers. Majority of prisoners are a result of single moms with poor QOL.

[@normalast1616]

Thanks for talking about this. Im just putting this here as a reminder :) even there Your hand will lead me; Your right hand will hold on to me. Psalms 139:10 CSB

[@craftyarmymom]

We need to bring shame back in our society in general

[@christinas.8980]

Why do people keep talking about success in terms of rich white people society in America when 2 really famous and rich people come to mind in America off the top of my head, and one is a black woman and one is a South African....

[@nikaswords17]

I heavily disagree with Amala on the school matter. Schools should show representation. Because many many people don't see it in their everyday life. And while you strive for a family or ideal world where parents are doing a great job introducing different cultural and societal issues and varying perspectives to their kids, more often than not they are not. That's also why in religion class, you learn about the existence of various religions and therefore different cultures and structures and ultimately world history. That IS multi level education, and in the world we live in, you need to start early. You're completely ignoring the fact that many kids in the US grow up with for example fundamentalist parents teaching them a very one dimensional, problematic and over simplified worldview. So if you don't get proper education at home, school is the only place to turn to. If you don't learn anything on a social or cultural level there either, you are almost bound to be ignorant or at least stay so for much longer than necessary until you move out, see the real world and resent your parents for raising you in a bubble that didn't allow a broader perspective. It is very much the job of a school - especially in certain areas, to teach multiple perspectives. That doesn't mean that school won't stay an objective place of study. But kids must be prepared for the actual world they're living in beyond their parents house and that's also why homeschooling should be prohibited.

[@nicoled5160]

rainbows: pride week

[@JesusOrDestruction]

can you react to vices "Asian Americans Debate Model Minority and Asian Hate"?

[@MegaSpideyman]

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters did over 30 minutes on that yesterday. I very much recommend it.

[@horsewings3561]

I wouldn't have the patience to deal with the crying girl, just because I'm tired of people assuming that because I have an opinion, it means this or that instead of simply what I'm SAYING. It's so frustrating.

[@crashzone6600]

Yes. They need male experiences and female experiences to bring up a balanced child. Without one element, the child would have imbalanced toward one sexes experiences. Having both experiences, ground the child, and provide both perspectives to draw from. Two parents are better than one yes, but two counterbalances are better. No matter how masculine a female is, she will never have the experiences of men growing up, and subsequently will never have the male psychology, and the opposite is true for feminine males. This applies to transpeople too, a transperson will never have the psychology of the sex they describe themselves as.

[@Elizabeth-kn4jh]

What phycological differences between men and women do you think are relevant when raising a child?

[@ccrunchytoes9394]

did u not see them mention the the child can get a feminine or masculine figure from extended family, or outside the family - ppl like mother or father figures. ppl DONT need male and female parents.