Real Time with Bill Maher: Gun Control vs. Abortion Control (HBO)

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Bill Maher and panelists Joy Reid, Rep. Luiz Gutierrez and Matt Lewis discuss gun control in the wake of the Charleston, S.C. church shooting.
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[@samuelevans7575]

Don't like guns? Don't get a gun. Don't like abortion? Don't get an abortion? Don't like getting your rights taken away? Don't take away other people's rights.

[@bullballsallday]

bobothecreepyclown If you live in fear of everyone around you then I recommend that you get help.

[@bullballsallday]

bobothecreepyclown Well, get something for when the shit goes down. I've been attacked numerous times at night and I wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the fact that I carry two knives on me. I've stopped as many as five guys on one occasion from trying to assault and mug me.

[@bullballsallday]

bobothecreepyclown Wow! you must be in your teens or twenties. To be clear about my claim. I had one of the five guys try to push me off of my bike. I pulled my knives, and they jumped back. I and the five guys exchanged threats, they moved on and I called the police. There were no stabbings involved. I won't claim to be a badass. As for guns, I do have guns, but it is virtually impossible to get a CCP in the county I'm in. I know a woman who is a rape victim who can't even get one. Your comment is adorable. I especially love the "limp dick" and the "bullshit ninja motherfucker" bit. Trust me I have no such illusions about myself.

[@bullballsallday]

I'm having trouble deciphering your message so bear with me. Nothing happened to me because I was armed with knives. I didn't fall off of my bike; they tried to push me off my bike. I could regale you with other encounters with maniacs in my past that bolster my arguments but I don't have the time. As for mass-murders; I don't understand what provoked you to utter that. As your final words regarding the US, I believed you were being stereotypical of my country, and yes, those things do happen here, and I'm against them as anyone would be, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. Gotta go out and enjoy my weekend. Have a nice day.

[@bullballsallday]

***** Nobody has control over your feelings except you (at least for the most part). What do you mean by "the right to feel safe everywhere" because you're never perfectly safe? Plus, it is difficult to explain rights, as in legal rights and feelings, so what are you proposing?

[@NoWay1969]

The irony with abortion laws in Texas is the Rick Perry makes about as good an argument for abortion as anyone can make.

[@brianprince345]

No Way Criticizing a political candidate for not being pro life is a political cop-out. Roe v Wade will never be overturned because of judicial precedence, civil rights laws and public opinion. Abortion has no place in a political discussion especially on the presidential level. Republicans spout this nonsense because they know there will never be a scenario in which they have to back it up

[@NoWay1969]

brian prince I'm not as convinced that they are harmless. George W. Bush essentially killed stem cell research when he was in office. I think that the Republicans would overturn Roe v. Wade if they could. Many of them are scary crazy. My point was not about abortion though. It was saying what a waste of space Rick Perry is.

[@brianprince345]

yeah if im being honest I wasn't really responding to your comment I just agree with it and had something else unrelated to say lol Rick perry is a fool.

[@brianprince345]

How Rick Perry is considered a viable candidate and Bernie Sanders is a nut job to a lot of ppl is insanity to me

[@NoWay1969]

brian prince Brian, I think the only people that think that are in the media. I think a lot of what he says speaks across the aisle. He seems to get respect even from people who disagree with him.

[@PolemicContrarian]

Where's the rest of the fucking conversation!?

[@Sherpaful]

There is no "rest of the conversation". If you need a conclusion, read the Second Amendment of the US Constitution. .

[@PolemicContrarian]

1202_ProgramAlarm Why? The Second Amendment doesn't explain why in 2016 that Americans need guns, and why owning guns is a good thing when the murder and injure some 130,000+ people a year.

[@DeletedDelusion]

It could have been a bomb? I call non-sense. If that was the case, we should see them used in nations with stricter gun control all the time, but we don't. They are often impractical and luckily hard to get. What is more, this psycho probably needed the personal involvemet to get satisfaction out of his hideous crime.

[@festdir]

DeletedDelusion Yes. The bombing of a black church in the USA is simply ludicrous. Never happen, amirite? (Spoiler alert: Yes it has happened. You are painfully ignorant)

[@festdir]

DeletedDelusion Yes. The bombing of a black church in the USA is simply ludicrous. Never happen, amirite? (Spoiler alert: Yes it has happened. You are painfully ignorant)

[@ScaryExoticsVid]

thousands of people defend their homes with their gun and no one bats an eye. 9 people die because of 1 crazy ass lunatic and everyone loses their minds...

[@schwarzblatt]

"Being arrested for beating your wife doesn't stop you (from owning a gun." So being arrested but not being convicted means your rights should be taken away? Does this lady believe in due process?

[@Bepold]

Between 30,000 and 36,000 are killed by firearms every year in America whereas 1,600,000 children are killed by abortion annually in America. So that is 44 deaths from abortion for every gun death. On mathematics alone you would think one would be a far higher priority but evidently not.

[@Santiago-lf4dz]

on mathematics alone, you would think you are stupid enough to not knowing how to breathe, but surprisingly you are still alive.

[@mousetrap-8817]

So when men masturbate it’s murder? And when women get their period that is a death as well? If we’re expanding our view of children to not only living, breathing children, but also cells (or groups of cells) that have the potential to become a child you have to include sperms and eggs.

[@Bepold]

@@mousetrap-8817 Sperm are gametes and are not complete and distinct specimens with all the genetic information that the specimen will ever have. Big difference between it and a zygote. Learn basic biology. www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4857703 www.encyclopedia.com/science-and-technology/biology-and-genetics/genetics-and-genetic-engineering/zygote

[@mousetrap-8817]

@@Bepold What’s your point? Because it seems like you disagree with what I said..... but yet you reaffirm my argument. I never said anything that goes against what you’re saying. I never said there’s no difference between the two, only that they’re both potential life (potential persons to be specific since anything made of cell(s) is technically alive) . As your source says “The zygote is the first step in the formation of a new person.” Key word being “formation”.... as is in it’s not a person, but it has the potential to form one... So this brings me back to the question in my original comment: Is the proposal that we extend what we count as a person to also include any life form that has the potential to be a person? Although, in the end it doesn’t matter because not even the right to life of a fully formed and birthed person trumps another person’s right to body autonomy.

[@TorbenRudgaard]

Question from a confused European. Why do ordinary Americans need to own fully automatic extended clip laser scope assault rifles? For what purpose?

[@mousetrap-8817]

for delusional purposes

[@ah64dbeast37]

Murder is not a constitutional right. owning guns to defend yourself is.

[@Arg0n01]

Well, to be completely fair, his handgun was illegal. South Carolina prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms. So no kind of background check or ban of any kind would have prevented it. He didn't get the firearm himself (as he was barred from purchasing one), but was given the handgun for his birthday by his uncle (which would also constitute a felony as it is illegal to give convicted felons firearms in South Carolina), if I'm not mistaken. So you really can't blame this on lax gun laws...

[@Khalkara]

Arg0n01 Actually you can, if the US had the same laws as in the EU where it costs 10x as much to get the same weapon and the 'best' place you could get it is on the black market that would've highly likely prevente this situation. The reason why the uncle gave him a gun as a *birthday present* is because it's a doable gift, if the same handgun costed 10.000 bucks things woul'dve been different. Frankly, if it were just illegal to have guns outside of recreational activities (ie going on hunting, in hunting-free zones) then the chances would've been even more miniscule.

[@Arg0n01]

Khalkara It's about the proliferation. The EU has a low overall number of weapons on the market, even if the US suddenly stopped selling all guns, you still have over 300 million guns in the hands of private citizens, so even if there were an outright ban new sales (unconstitutional in the US) you'd still have around 5-10 years of cheap firearms trading hands. America has to solve it's problem a different way considering it's constitution. There are other high gun per capita places with less violent crime than the US, so it's not so much the guns as other factors coming in to play.

[@Khalkara]

Arg0n01 "even if the US suddenly stopped selling all guns, you still have over 300 million guns in the hands of private citizens," That's why you confiscate them and destroy them, fucking derp. What sense does it make to suddenly ban something and then letting everyone who currently possesses it keep a hold of it? "America has to solve it's problem a different way considering it's constitution." The *United states of* America. There I fixed it for you. Also the constitution can be changed, laws aren't set in stones. "There are other high gun per capita places with less violent crime than the US, so it's not so much the guns as other factors coming in to play." Firstly I'd like to ask for sources. Secondly maybe you should look at the size & culture of that nation and compare it to the US instead of flat out numbers? A smaller population will have less problems than bigger ones, this is just a fact. What works for one doesn't neccecarily have to work for the other. And even if there was one 1 or 2 places where this is actually true (what you claim), then you must also realise that there are 20+ countries where guns are banned and the crime is still lower.

[@Khalkara]

Arg0n01 Woah there, you can't just look at guns and at the total amount of crimes. Only firearm related crimes are relevent. "Americans will rather fight than give up their guns, good luck getting cops (Some of whom agree with gun ownership) to do it for you, if anything it will spark a rebellion." Then you will have proven the point of some anti-gun people: Having guns makes you more violent. If people refuse to agree with the majority vote when it comes to laws, and start up a rebellion because their toys get taken away. Then you also have likely just gotten rid of the worst part of your population. And the US has like the biggest military spending of any country, if people start a 'uprising' and start forming a 2nd incarnation of the Confederacy or something they will just send in drones. Good luck with that, I highly doubt that people will actually do that though (the rebellion thing, not the drones). "You won't get a pure majority on gun ban," Not needed, initially just pass better restrictions in all states. After a few generations when the gun culture has cooled off, perhaps then they can move on to banning. "The number of violent crimes in the US has almost halved since 1990. Which is to say that an increase in gun ownership does not correlate, let alone cause the increase in violence." That's overall crime though, it could be that you have less rape and break-ins but the shootings sure doesn't seem to have cooled down. The recent one in a church for fucks sake.

[@Arg0n01]

Khalkara Regarding your drone point, I'm not so sure it would go down like that. Look at the Yugoslav Wars, the independent countries only had a couple of thousand pieces of small arms (mostly hunting rifles and pistols, little to no automatic firearms), on the other hand the Yugoslav People's Army had around 3000 tanks, 1500-2000 artillery pieces and hundreds of aircraft, but defections and raids have bolstered the numbers to respectable levels. You really think that the US Armed forces won't fragment? The US Army personnel would defect, steal equipment, etc. It would turn ugly rather quickly. Despite what you might think of your average soldier, they are not ruthless , especially when it comes to their fellow countrymen and countrywomen. Also UNDOC reports the most firearm related violence occurs in Honduras (64.8 deaths per 100.000), even though the country only has 6 guns per every 1000 people. South Africa is also ahead of the US with 21.51 which is nearly double the rate of the United States (10,64) and that's all deaths, not just homicides but suicides as well, if we only take homicides then the US drops down the list (3,55 per 100.000). It is higher than most countries, but it's not the highest.

[@Sherpaful]

Terrible analogy, as there is no Constitutional guarantee for abortions.

[@Sherpaful]

***** So you're saying we should pass an abortion amendment?

[@mousetrap-8817]

But there is a guarantee of body autonomy.

[@armadilllo]

@@mousetrap-8817 why are they dishonorably discharging soldiers for refusing the vaccine then?

[@nonofyabidnez5737]

in this show Bill was even more on fire than usual - love it! ;D

[@theonlybucko]

Bearing arms is a right, murdering isn't.

[@Sherpaful]

Freedom of speech is a right, slander isn't. What's your point, Einstein?

[@averagedude1986]

Abortion tourism is an industry. If the price is right, women will fly to Oregon instead of drive to San Antonio.

[@jeffgeller2576]

those 2 instances are completely different. my right to bare arms is a constitutional right. on the other hand, no one has the right to kill a baby.

[@mousetrap-8817]

But people do have the right to body autonomy.

[@bluepacifica123]

Hawaii is pretty much that state that makes it hard to get a gun.

[@kaiserjones9074]

Unfortunately, its much easier to have "abortion control" than gun control... Btw S Carolina does have laws making it illegal for the mentally ill and felons to own firearms. But the shooter's father gave him a gun (illegally) for his birthday. Just another example of how gun control is realistically impossible in a nation with more guns than citizens.

[@djwaglmuffin]

Yeah we have a second amendment. We also have a constitutional right to privacy. Unless, of course, you're a woman, right?

[@davidkeenan5642]

djwaglmuffin Well said, though this doesn't affect me, because living in Britain, things are very different here. Guns ownership here is strictly controlled & abortion is freely available on the NHS.

[@jeffgeller2576]

ok and if im torturing someone in my basement, then acc. to your argument, how dare you come and stop me! i have a right to my privacy

[@CCCC-cb2ty]

Point out again, which amendment speaks to abortion…?

[@sdthor27]

Maher is from New Jersey. He should know that it's damn near impossible to purchase any sort of firearm there.

[@Arachnoscribe]

Any additional pressures applied to gun shops would as effective as campaigns against abortion mills. The argument that the 'offending practice' will continue works equally well for both dynamics.

[@zacharysiple629]

1:22 "Is there a 2nd Amendment for abortion?" THIS. I'm pro-life/anti-abortion, and I hate it when pro-choicers compare gun rights to abortion rights. The 2nd Amendment says you have a right to bear arms. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that abortion should be federally illegal. The 10th amendment therefore makes it a state issue, not a nationwide one. When Roe was overturned, a celebrity posted a picture on Instagram of a woman holding a sign saying: "Republican Logic: Life begins at conception and ends at school shooting." I replied: "Pro-choice logic: Don't kill kids in school, just kill them before they are born!" First off, again- guns are in the Constitution, abortion is not. Also, so many pro-abortion arguments could be used on those kids: "What if they have a hard life?" "What if they were conceived in rape?" But they wouldn't dare do that, right? Look, I am against school shootings too, and they should stop. But guns are for protection. If you break into a gun-owners home, the gun-owner gains a right to shoot you. A gun-owner never has a right to shoot kids in school. That's just a sample of how flawed comparing guns to abortion is.

[@dsmalls2080]

And they saying that because innocent people are dying ain't doing anything it's so busy trying to babies

[@dsmalls2080]

Take the damn gun laws

[@zacharysiple629]

@@dsmalls2080 I think gun control should be stricter, sure.

[@giantsr1eva]

@@zacharysiple629 The 2nd Amendment says that militias have the right to bear arms.

[@MrSudhakar01249]

Why this obsession about gun control?

[@luckylagreturns4727]

You could order online lol, you can’t get an abortion online

[@dagolf06]

If you have been charged with beating your wife you will 100% be denied on a background check.

[@TheAlexzingale]

To her point yes he did have a criminal record. And the institutions that did not put put that information into the federal firearm data base Should be prosecuted. That is the procedure when people commit crimes that would prevent them from being gun owners. The background check doesn't work if the information in it is not accurate. That wasn't the laws fault, That was somebody not doing their job in enforcing the law already on the books

[@Arachnoscribe]

It's absolutely draconian to require those who are performing vaginally-invasive medical procedures to conform to reasonable standards of cleanliness.

[@uhhhhNick]

Beating your wife doesnt bar you from owning a gun? Im pretty sure its the only misdemeanor that does.

[@todddanza2538]

The important difference here is that on one hand you are talking about access to an item one might use to kill and on the other hand, actually killing. I'm not at all concerned if actually killing is more heavily regulated than getting access to an object you could use to kill, especially when that object has proven vital time and time again for self-defense.

[@armadilllo]

2nd amendment, nothing in the constitution about abortion

[@Pravdacz-tp8zu]

To pro-lifers? If a fetus is a living human being, why don´t you treat IT that way?

[@Amateur_Pianist_472]

So what if a certain right isn’t in the whatever number amendment? Does that mean new rights can’t be introduced? Wtf is that logic?

[@yamilmarchand]

I had an abortion once, now I'm addicted to having abortions. True story.

[@TheYasmineFlower]

Jack Burton It's okay. We've all been there.

[@mmaxine1331]

OMG jack what are you

[@johndanielson3777]

No you're not

[@jadidlar4765]

wow continue killing children without a reason

[@EthelBramble]

Great! Thanks for this. I will use it too.

[@kozhedub]

Seems like El Paso is never in the news for the right reason.

[@Jeramithehuman]

As far as I’m concerned abortion is great, stops the potential for future gun violence.

[@AKTechReviews]

This episode's audience was so annoying. They got so loud and clapped at the smallest things.

[@QueenBoadicea]

1:14 This is Texas, mister. I'm sure there are trigger-happy guys out there who would make that trip.

[@miked9653]

Laws work for those not willing to break them. My whole life I've known 15 yr olds with guns and know folks who've gotten abortions, among other health procedures, on the down-low. Ghettos dont change. They adapt to some degree. And guns and babies are big business. Supply and demand. And the black market does both.

[@noeliaguirre-olivas4269]

Buy the gun online

[@RIXRADvidz]

Where are the Laws Criminalizing MASTURBATING MEN?? and Men with VASECTOMIES, each is ceasing the development of a potential person, Just Like An Abortion. WHERE Are The LAWS Criminalizing Masturbating Men and Men with Vasectomies? same place the laws about banning a woman's right to choose should be.

[@mosesking2923]

Pregnant women are incubators. Nothing more. Best to force them to give birth (sedation would help). Make abortion illegal by death penalty. Treat women like the incubators they are.

[@sylvesterquast5832]

you don't have to drive 545 miles for a gun there is always a punk on the street who knows someone with a gun

[@gladiator3543]

Maher speaks of ‘cruelty’ about asking a woman to travel to have her chilled killed in abortion. What would you call dismembering the limbs and crushing the head of an unborn baby in its mothers womb? ‘Cruel’ doesn’t quite cut it Mr Maher.

[@mousetrap-8817]

I would call that health care.

[@Awesomeguy614]

But there are progressive states where its hard to get a gun. And I'm tired of some on the left crying about the NRA as if that's the sole reason gun control legislation doesn't get passed. The reason it doesn't get passed is because there is bipartisan opposition to gun control. There are gun lovers who oppose it but there are also people like me, who don't own guns or plan on owning them, who oppose it because its just not good legislation. Why can't we live in a country where its easy to gets guns and abortions? The two are not mutually exclusive.

[@D-Vet-13]

Actually didn't California do just that. I think if I remember correctly if was San Francisco, at least that's what the article was stating.

[@michelel1852]

I saw this and thought I would share this persons view on guns and abortions. This is a man’s view by the way. Nev Schulman 21 hrs - Edited "How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion - mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, and an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun. It makes more sense to do this with young men and guns than with women and health care, right? I mean, no woman getting an abortion has killed a room full of people in seconds, right?" -unknown

[@petercharles8799]

Listen napkin shirt man, a constitutional right isn't just set out in the text of the constitution. It is also set out by the decisions of the courts. Are you going to suggest that people can't get married because marriage isn't contained in the text of the constitution? No

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

Anyone who believes laws will do any different is fooling themselves. We only obey laws because we have an incentive to do so whether it be the loss of friends, family, freedom, or resources. Some do it because it's not in the heart to do evil. But when a person loses his incentives or evil enters their heart, they will break those laws. I think we need to address the cause of the broke individuals who perform these massacres. We need to analyze the type of parents they have and the environment in which they grow up in. Then we can use our resources to educate on the importance of actually parenting children. If people are bringing in dope by the truck loads into this country, do they think gun control is possible. If it is then we would have to wonder why keeping drugs out isnt.

[@xKingNicKx2455]

What is Bill Maher talking about? Where I'm from, in New York state, it takes around 6 months to go through the processes of purchasing a pistol, much tougher than it was only 1 generation ago. Governor Cuomo has passed many laws restricting our freedom to own guns, most of which make no sense. New York is acting the same way on gun control that Texas has on 'abortion control.'

[@daviddequasie6816]

Nick Schneider I live in Florida,it's easy to get a gun here,and probably so in many southern states. I think Bill is referring to the places like this. There are many dangerous people here with guns. I've been robbed at gun point and I knew people who have been shot and killed here.

[@xKingNicKx2455]

David DeQuasie he said "what if a progressive state made a law about guns, where it was very hard to get guns.." meaning states like new york and california. I'm sorry to hear about your experiences with gun related violence, I know of people who experienced similar accounts here in New York, but I just think that Bill Maher was being a bit ignorant of the fact that the progressive states are making it tough to get certain types of firearms.

[@xKingNicKx2455]

David DeQuasie And you are correct, it is pretty easy to get long guns (shotguns and rifles) anywhere in the united states, but it is not easy to get pistols in the very liberal states, yet a large portion of gun related crimes involve pistols. I haven't seen much benefit in gun control.

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

You go to jail for fighting dogs that you own, on your property, but it's ok to kill children because......?

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

***** Nope I'm Pro Life. It makes me sick. Bill Maher and the country in general value the life of trees, dogs, and other animals buy when it comes to abortion they use every single situation they can find yo justify the murder of a human. You really are going to mention abortion and gun control in the same sentence. It's just politics playing politics and it's disgusting

[@Nilguiri]

Brandon Smith Who the fuck is killing children apart from the police?

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

Nilguiri Abortion clinics and the government that promotes it as a means of birth control

[@Nilguiri]

Brandon Smith I think you are a little confused as to the meaning of the word "children". Abortions do not kill children.

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

Nilguiri excuse me then, killing humans. Either way, you can go to jail for fighting dogs, that you bought, catching to many of a certain type of fish, and spend millions/billions of dollars promoting the conservation of trees and other natural resources. When it comes to abortion, they want to try justifying murdering a human being. Even you are trying to reduce the baby into something less than what it is just to perhaps justify your view. You alone have proved my point.

[@MrEherndon5]

You don’t have a constitutional right to kill babies. It’s a silly question Bill.

[@King_Mac80]

Wait domestic abuse criminals can legally buy guns?

[@ShinyStarOfDeath]

Well you can always order a gun from the internet :)

[@bubbiesdad]

And pick it up at at a FFL.

[@thefifth5hot]

The right to own a gun is about the right to protect yourself The right to have an abortion is about the right to have unprotected sex without repercussions.

[@mousetrap-8817]

No, abortion is about the right to govern what happens within your own body.

[@thefifth5hot]

@@mousetrap-8817 no, an abortion is the murder of an unborn child in the womb. It has nothing to do with bodily autonomy

[@mousetrap-8817]

@@thefifth5hot It has everything to do with body autonomy. Illegalizing abortion means taking away body autonomy from pregnant women. This would also mean that a corpse would have more rights than a pregnant woman.

[@thefifth5hot]

@@mousetrap-8817 an unborn fetus is not a "corpse." It has a heart that pumps blood to the rest of its body. It has active brainwaves. It grows and develops at a rapid rate and it can often feel pain. No one should be allowed to decide whether an unborn child deserves to live or die

[@mousetrap-8817]

@@thefifth5hot I wasn’t talking about the fetus, I was talking about dead people, which is why I said corpse. By restricting or illegalizing abortion, dead people will have more rights than a pregnant woman.

[@itry2brational]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda....but didn't. That's reality.

[@ChipArgyle]

The Second Amendment was ratified in 1791. At that time, why was it important for people to own guns? Did the founding fathers really have a concern about Americans victimizing each other, or could it have had something to do with the fear of a return of the British?

[@TheBushwooky]

ChipArgyle "Protection from Tyranny"

[@ChipArgyle]

TheBushwooky Right. But that only worked as long as the weapons the citizens had were the same ones the tyrant's army had. The concept no longer works in the modern world.

[@TheBushwooky]

ChipArgyle Is that why the US lost the war in the middle east and Vietnam...because we had better technology? You also think the military would be anywhere near intact if they were told to commit democide? Considering they have sworn an oath to uphold the constitution over any order?

[@ChipArgyle]

TheBushwooky Incompetence and armaments are two different things. Vietnam was lost because the US was in denial and initially failed to engage sufficiently. They also thought the enemy would actually follow some sort of rules of war and behave predictably. Middle Eastern engagements were lost because of restraint and concerns of how the world would perceive the West if they hit them with all they had. The Taliban could have been exterminated with modern weaponry if so desired. _Extermination_, unfortunately, would have been the operative word. Is that what a civilized coalition does to the enemy? But now we have ISIS expanding its reach outside of its original intended target of conquest. Extermination may unfortunately become the operative word when it is beliefs and not land or materials being fought over.

[@TheBushwooky]

ChipArgyle My point is that even if only 1% of Americans fought against the government in a civil war. That's still by far the biggest guerrilla opposition the United States has ever seen. The country is huge and extermination is impossible. Especially when you consider that most of the military would probably revolt, leaving it a shadow of what it is now. Sure, many would die. But winning would be an uphill battle for the government.

[@bubbiesdad]

Joy is lying.

[@RationalSteve]

Don't fuck with my guns. Also, bad comparison Bill. Bad taste. Sincerely, Not a Republican.

[@johndanielson3777]

Fuck your guns

[@Metal_Army]

America will always have guns .science will gets better and I think personally they will eventually prove life is started at conception and abortion will have to go while birth control will become safer and easier that’s my hope !

[@mousetrap-8817]

It doesn’t matter when life starts. Everyone has a right to body autonomy.

[@Metal_Army]

Mousetrap - including the child .

[@mousetrap-8817]

@@Metal_Army No, the fetus is not an autonomous being, therefore it does not have a right to body autonomy. However, the woman carrying it is an autonomous being, and therefore has a right to body autonomy.

[@Metal_Army]

Mousetrap - oh and by the way just because Its not autonomous yet doesn’t make it not alive .

[@Metal_Army]

Mousetrap - if your going to report what I say then I’m done having a conversation with a communist fascist who’s against free speech .no you don’t have the right to kill and unborn child it’s wrong and just because a law is written doesn’t make that law moral or right . If you let people sleep with you that’s your fault for not using protection .

[@DeRocco21]

being pro everything

[@Arachnoscribe]

Does the NAACP own the Democratic Party?