How Disney's ¡OYE PRIMOS! Pissed Off Everyone

[@RebelTaxi]

PRIMOS IS OUT! See my review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX_Mg3SfpKqhbNk Short vid. Working on a big one 2000s Gamer shows and Movies: Grandmas Boy, and G4 Stuff. Also my indie pilot Loki IRL. Busy *Nacho is short of Ignacio BTW. Learned that years ago watching Nacho Libre SOUNTRACK: Guacamelee - Forest Del Chivo Mickey Speedway USA - Los Angeles Just in Case - Silent Partner Skuba Drive - Quincas Moreira Yung Logos - No Doubt Bring it Back - Silent Partner

[@NicoEdgy]

I just found out about this show and I hate it I'm from Chile 🇨🇱

[@Neoncaffeine]

busy doing stuff (im stuff)

[@lostuser6410]

Hi rebeltaxi

[@swaggosaurus77]

more gaymer shows, pan. i wanna get gayer

[@NicoEdgy]

@@Neoncaffeine Jonathan

[@givemysundaeback]

That lady explaining why its ok for the spanish to be inaccurate made me unreasonably angry.

[@FloraDArtTransCat]

No! Your anger is definitely NOT unreasonable!

[@wingdingfontbro]

Language inconsistencies and errors for the sake of a joke or slang is fine but excusing an error that is literally the name of your show because you have sprite against the people who forced their language upon your ancestors is just… petty.

[@AJadedLizard]

This shit pisses me off when they do it with my mother tongue; fuck off with your ignorance, you know?

[@TheNinja94a]

I'm not Mexican-American, so I'm purely sitting on the outside of all this, but JUST DO SOME GOD DAMN RESEARCH. How do you get this far without consulting family who know Spanish way better? This just shows me that she's gotta be hard to work with. Writing a show is a team effort, the best writer ever needs people to tell them what to change (panpizza had a Breaking Bad clip so I'll use Vince), even Gilligan had people encourage major changes to his show, because he wasn't an asshole and was aware he's not the only one on his team who matters. I can't even say "even Gilligan" because he wouldn't be Gilligan without collaboration. Shit, I make hip-hop beats and I ask my brother to listen before I put them out. And there's no real risk if I don't do that, it's a beat, but I just want to know that someone who's not me also likes how it sounds. So that's what I see here. A lack of willingness to truly collaborate. And it could entirely be speculation, as I made this conclusion off of one piece of evidence, but it's so weird to me that she didn't talk to anyone about the language or representation to make sure that it was accurate, knowing how the internet is, and knowing that getting to make a TV show is pretty big and you gotta make that refined.

[@stuckonaslide]

unreasonably?

[@peachr384]

the VA had the most woke white girl take a non-white girl could have. Even her voice has this "I am privileged and don't know what im talking about" tone to it. It's just so funny

[@seasnailsplatoon762]

Also saying she's Native because she's Mexican.. as if Native people in Latin America aren't heavily oppressed by mestizos and by the countries' governments.... Maybe it's because my family is Guatemalan, but it seems completely laughable to say you're "Native American" just because you're Latino. There are Native Latinos but you aren't Native just because you're Latino, lol. Like there are actual Maya, Mexica, Pueblo, Xinca, Pipil, etc. people who live in Latin America.

[@JonatasAdoM]

@seasnailsplatoon762 The issue with victimizing everything. People want to be the most oppressed, so they try to get inside the group that they're not a part of. She's American first and foremost, she's already better than most people living south of her. Really weird like she acts like she's part of Latin America. She probably tries to order food in Spanish in Latin themed restaurants.

[@SadToffee]

welcome to acting, the disprivileged don't exactly get a chance very often.

[@nemesi55]

Honestly, IS she non-white though? I struggle with this myself, being Chicano. I feel like latino/hispanic/chicano people with a mixed background (especially mestizo) tend to be like, Schrödinger’s White People. We’re white when it’s convenient for us to be identified as white, and we’re POC when it’s not convenient for us to be white. Sometimes that convenience is in us identifying ourselves, sometimes it’s in other people interpreting us however they feel like they want to in that particular moment. One side of my family is white-bread American while the other side is Mexican, but within that side, one of my grandparents was white and the other was very decidedly not. Which makes me 3/4 Anglo and 1/4… I’m… not actually 100% certain because family records are incomplete but we think my grandmother was likely mixed mestizo/Afro-Dominican. She certainly got called racial slurs meant for dark skinned individuals by white Americans when she walked down the street after immigrating here back in the 70s, anyway. My mom never taught me Spanish because she was afraid I’d get hatecrimed if I got caught speaking it. Even though, by all accounts, I look white. So what am I? I’ve seen people who are, genetically speaking, Whiter Than I Am who only have a great-grandparent that was POC self-identifying as POC because they grew up speaking Spanish. Meanwhile I’ve got family members on my Mexican side who consider themselves white but are darker than I am. And then of course there’s the white Americans who see everyone who speaks Spanish or lives south of the border as “less white” even when they’re actually More European in terms of ancestry than their northerly neighbors. It’s this weird racial paradox and I swear every single latino/hispanic/chicano person has a completely different take on it. And then it leads to odd situations like this where you have this Very White Looking chick asserting that her race makes her improper use of Spanish a non-issue. I don’t really think it should have blown up in her face or anything but it feels symptomatic of this bizarre limbo we occupy in this society.

[@nemesi55]

@@seasnailsplatoon762Yeah, this is also crazy to me. Like, people still speak Nahuatl. They offer language courses on it in schools. And you can watch like every other telenovela to see Mexican racism on screen blatantly, with the leads all having a light complexion while all the maids, janitors, servants etc. are little brown people… it’s really not as simple as she seems to be trying to make it…

[@stuckdancing2781]

I don't think I've ever felt so personally attacked by an adult. The condescending tone she speaks with was worse than nails on a chalk board.

[@dicapriodelorean2888]

she legit just karen explained to the critics lmaoo

[@cainn738]

Yeah

[@rulerzreachf4nnnn]

she sounds like a teacher who scolds you after stepping on ketchup packets in class lmao

[@Charlosduncan]

And is worst for latin people (I'm Mexican) there's lots of words from nahuatl used in our spanish language, well, obviously this idiot over there (the chicano Karen) does not know that, and man, she's speaking english with such pomposity it just hurts, what a delusional person.

[@elroma7712]

She graduated to what I call a gringa culiada

[@nandoman4769]

Wow. Just wow. She basically said “You’re cultural identity doesn’t matter because it was forced onto you by conquistadors hundreds of years ago”. That has to be some of the most vile marginalization I’ve ever heard.

[@darkfemme9441]

It’s also inaccurate especially if she’s actually Mexicans. They have a unique history where the real “conquistadors” were MAJORITY natives that were oppressed and enslaved by Aztecs. Those same allies were given territory and helped the Spanish colonize the American SW, Central America, and the Philippines!!!

[@muffinconsumer4431]

And then she topped it off with “And I’m also invulnerable to criticism because I’m tangentially related to mexicans and native americans(???)” 🤢🤢🤢

[@AngelSaintCloud]

I mean technically she's not wrong. I'm black and I speak English for the same reasons they speak Spanish. The only difference is the Spanish left after they butchered the people and the culture stayed so ingrained that it isn't even talked about. Catholicism and disease entirely fucked over south America.

[@mrcool1519]

I mean where is the lie in what she said?

[@FrostyGerardo-kr7xs]

Spanish forced true. Latin people true. Not being natives is false You got apache,nahuas,maya,incas,cherokee,pueblo,mixtecas,etc. She being a american - american -native american contradicts what she said about only being latinos and not natives. You can be both. So either she lied about being native or she lied about not being able to be those two at the same time

[@Krystalmyth]

She handled that in the most narcissistic way possible. Good lord.

[@Пинагод]

@@TaurusInvicta She kept putting down the corrections made by people who were actually right, and instead of apologizing and reaffirming that this was on purpose in order to accurately display the setting, which isn't even in a majority Spanish-speaking country, she'd brush the criticisms off and would defend her point as if others were attacking her, even if they were just criticizing/correcting. And her point that not all people with Latin descent will have a good grasp of the language or culture doesn't come across as authentic when she keeps insulting the language and culture itself. To go as far as saying it was forced - When at this point, a lot of nations have accepted it as their own language and have built a following and beloved culture of their own following it, is downright ignorant. And simply put, she keeps speaking as if she did nothing wrong at all. Look, I'm pure Filipino yet my first language had been English, and if my point was to showcase that although I'm Filipino, I mispronounce things in Tagalog, I would very much clarify that in the setting and intro of the series.

[@rimfire8217]

yeah

[@neonflights5951]

@@Пинагод it's not cool to casually misuse words that are used for diagnosis of actual personality disorders.

[@gamera5160]

The whole show looks pretty meh and most of the stuff people brought up seem like non-issues. But the response was so self-righteous and preachy!

[@Gotmilk0112]

Seriously, it was hard to even watch that short clip of her, holy fuck. "uhhh I don't care if you're pointing out I'm wrong, I'M A NATIVE MEXICAN SO NYEH" like what the fuck lmao

[@junkhead_92]

The fact that they managed to actually offend latinos should tell you enough about how bad this is.

[@vikdko7383]

fr, we even love the south park episodes where they make fun of us, "oye primos" is just plain wrong en every angle

[@RoboRoby321]

Latinos will love a show where they get mocked and stereotyped and will absolutely hate shows that try to virtue signal their latinoness and Latino values. We just love making fun of ourselves

[@azul9655]

Yesss I agree hahaha it's usually "americans" that get offended for us and we have to tell them to chill.

[@itsdokko2990]

@@azul9655 it's funny to say "ya cállese gringo huevón" to them

[@Comanlev]

Legalmente si

[@Beebles190]

To think that the brunt of this drama could have been theoretically avoided if the crew said "Yeah the grammar is incorrect on purpose to lean into a child's diaspora experience with not knowing the ins and outs of their language/culture" instead of indirectly accusing people of ignorance

[@loonzoldick]

and that's it, that was the solution, but the crew had to taught us natives a lesson and let all their repressed anger at their native families that mocked them whenever they fumbled their words in Spanish, they should not have unleashed that onto the criticism

[@bake-io1cf]

something special about a rich jewish woman talking over latinamericans while claiming to represent them

[@TheDoomBlueShell]

@@bake-io1cf Just in folks to be latino you need to be poor and we somehow made a forcefield that don't let jews be born here, no wonder the n4z1s flee to here in mass lol

[@Harsovoimaa]

​@@loonzoldickwhy r u on their side

[@happymate8943]

@@bake-io1cf Jew is not a race it's a religion. Anyone can be Jewish there are Spanish speaking and mestizo Jews that exist today

[@huntercool2232]

The fact that the voice actress literally sabotaged her own show where she is the star while also in the process destroying any possible future relationships with Disney all because she ranted over a simple grammar mistake is kind of hilarious

[@SirBlackReeds]

Keep an eye out for whatever stunt Cristina Vee pulls after Gabriel and The Guardians drops because she is exactly the kind of woman who, after her loyal -subjects- fans find out about, will throw everyone else involved under the bus so she can save her own butt.

[@vagelaart2217]

The worst part is the Instagram post when she show a picture of his parents literally saying in the biography who the country of his parents is a sh1t I don't speak good English so I'm gonna put also in Spanish La peor de todo es que ella publicó una foto de sus padres con el texto "les doy gracias a mis padres porque pudieron salir de su país de mrda" y luego creo que mencionó que si no hubieran salido de su país ella no tendría lo que tiene ahora De cierta forma es cierto pero siento que carga con cierta ignorancia, como si en Latinoamérica tuviéramos vidas de sh1t o algo así Aparte de que creo que son de Chile, uno de los mejores países en cuanto a oportunidades en Latinoamérica incluso hay varias empresas que se dedican al doblaje

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

​@@vagelaart2217Joder, los latinos deberíamos sacar a patadas a todos esos narcisistas de nuestros países.

[@WarFoxThunder]

LOL FR

[@vladthecon]

she whines about the Spanish forcing their language onto the latin american people... the Americans who are called latin because they are descended from the spanish... they taught their kids to speak their language... what monsters.

[@BluffsCastle]

I love how the VA said that it’s not a big deal if someone speaks Spanish incorrectly because it’s a colonizer language. She said this while speaking English…a colonizer language. As a Hispanic-American myself, so much trouble could have been avoided if she just kept quiet.

[@RAC00NFANGIRL]

Nah chief she’s got ego size of Texas people like that don’t stay quiet.

[@davibookman4536]

Y’all Chicano niggas like to apologize for their incompetence to speak spanish 😏😏

[@cheesydawg371]

Really irritating when people say "it's a colonizer language so who cares?" Like, your people? I hate colonialism too but it's a part of our history and is the majority language across the continent. Like I get her context of growing up in America but that should be the crux of her argument, not anything else.

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

@@cheesydawg371 Yeah, she completely ignored that the ones responsible died centuries ago, and that generations have been born learning the language by those who were born in it. Every country got their independence from their colonizer eventually and kept the language because that's what everybody born there spoke, with centuries since those events, the language became a latino thing to properly care about. Maldita pendeja xd

[@emicharr]

Also we have to consider the fact that our modern cultures did not exist before the europeans,we arent nor native nor european,we were born from a combination of those two

[@Oegyeindraws]

In high school I desperately wanted to be perceived as more Korean than I was (a quarter). I didn't speak the language, I'd never been to Korea, and my understanding of the culture came entirely from hearsay from what my Dad and Grandpa told me it was like. That's how this show feels to me. An American woman who doesn't truly connect to her parents' culture, but desperately wants everyone to think that she does.

[@zeppelinzeppelini]

this is pretty interesting to me, im half korean and live here, and even then because ive been diaspora for most of my formative years i feel disconnected from my friends who probably feel disconnected from *me* but anyway, we're gonna be alright, as long as the effort and love is there, i think we can reconnect

[@sakurashogun]

I am full native on my father's side with one being tlaxcala (one of the tribes that made up the aztec people). the other is purepecha their sworn enemies. On my mother's side I am jewish german and Ainu japanese. So trust me I feel you. My only saving grace is that I tried to connect to all of them and just ended up as some weird mishmash. XD Being multilingual is great though!😊

[@mikelfresnedo8905]

@@sakurashogun Hi, I don't mean to be rude, but the Tlaxcaltecas were not a part of the aztec people. Although they were -are- a nahua people, and they also claimed to have come from the caves of Chicomoztoc, they were pretty much enemies of the Mexica (Aztecs). It is one of the reasons they allied with Cortez. It is so cool to have such a multicultural background. :D

[@mirkohoble]

The problem as I see it is that people who have different roots but were born in another country need to understand that yes, they have a culture attached to their family, and they can embrace and learn everything about it, but they need to understand that they lack a lot of the experience people from said culture go through. No, I'm not gatekeeping a culture, I'm saying that the reality of that people is VERY different from yours, and maybe you'll never fit in fully (unless you move into that country with an open mind, but even so, it could fail). I personally, can`t be (fully) mad at this show, because it`s written from the Latino-American experience (I can see how all the sins of this show *can* make sense with that in mind), but I can question the creator for saying this was "her Latino experience" when (I hope) what she truly meant was "her Latino-American experience". And I can be absolutely mad at the voice actor, and I hope I don't need to explain why.

[@raeannahoskinson2699]

Oooh I'm a quarter too! Same thing where I don't speak it and have never been there. My issue comes from the fact that I have more Korean culture (customs, foods, etc.) than literally any other ethnicity or culture I hail to (a mix of European stuff). That's always made me feel incredibly close to what I do have, that being the Korean stuff, but there isn't much of that either.

[@wisdomaxolotl2766]

Wow she literally gave one of the worst "I'm sorry you're mad" responses I've ever seen

[@FZJanimated]

she sounds like if twitter was a person.

[@smaakjeks]

Weapons grade smugness

[@solanelukoperse5815]

To be fair, the crew is currently victim of death threats and online harrassment. Cartoon industry must find a way to support the creators and help them handle internet anger, this is too much for a lot of people.

[@alexgomez6723]

@@solanelukoperse5815Still could have gone about it better.

[@JackRogers-x9e]

@@solanelukoperse5815Maybe they shouldn’t make shit shows then 😂

[@nicolasdoblado259]

As a Mexican person myself, I feel better represented with speedy González than with any character in this show (or the show itself)

[@benhaver9737]

That reminds me actually. When WB tried to retire Speedy, wasn’t his return credited to Mexicans themselves wanting him to stay? Or is that just a BS cover story WB used? I ask because part of me doubts it was as straight forward as that.

[@RENX5]

⁠@@benhaver9737yeah, it wasn’t as straightforward, that sounds like we begged WB for them to not remove the character when it was more like ‘lol, who tf in Mexico cared in the first place?’ And I guess they realized that overtime

[@benhaver9737]

@@RENX5 Yeah, that makes more sense to me. It just didn’t add up to me when I was basically hearing that practically all of Mexico rallied around a friggin cartoon mouse.

[@cosmicdude8282]

​​​@@benhaver9737funnily enough. The people who wanted Speedy to be ban were mexican-americans But the actual mexicans loved the character. So it was another instance of mid mexicans feeling attacked and speaking for us (even though they barely know about our culture), something pretty american like to do thing tbh

[@benhaver9737]

@@cosmicdude8282 As an American myself…. Yeah that’s pretty accurate.

[@keilaignis4591]

The fact that instead of owning up to the mistakes and apologize they doubled down and tell the people who's culture is made fun of that they are racist and that someone who's "ancester" was mexican knows better than the actual native people is baffling to me. Literally they couldn't come up with more stereotypes because they weren't any left to put in this thing

[@anagonzalez8972]

Hopefully there won't be a character called Maria, right?

[@QuokkaWaka]

Tbf I think you completely missed the point. She's not saying she knows more about Mexican culture than Mexicans do, she's saying she knows more about being a half-Mexican American than Mexicans do, which is true. As someone who is half white, I can confirm that it's also true that people who are entirely one ethnicity do make fun of people who are half white for not knowing as much as they do. And she wasn't trying to put in any stereotypes, as is explained in the video, she's just going off of her personal experience as a half Mexican living in _LA._ I'm not necessarily on her side on this situation as a whole, mainly because of her response, but your argument completely missed the mark in my eyes.

[@TheMeditorEditor]

You bring up a fair point that I can go with but it can lead to a double standard, as the same people (not you necessarily) that say Oye Primos' crew shouldn't have doubled down and should apologize immediately are the also the ones that in the same breath encourage non/anti-woke companies or people to stick with their beliefs and not let the mob dictate their standards.

[@edgelordoompaloompa]

@@QuokkaWaka No. Your answer would be valid, if her argument were as you say. And it is not completely true and her argument falls apart the more she talks. The more she opens her mouth, the worse it gets. All the "conquistador" nonsense, what does it add to the point of telling her life story? That in my eyes is wanting to educate people with her own culture when she doesn't even speak or lived in those countries. And the show, is full of bad stereotypes. To make you understand it better; let's say you are from USA. What opinion would you have if a show made in another country that tells the life of a young person, with American descent, who lives in a city called "nineleven"?. Anyone with a little common sense would see that as discriminatory, racist or xenophobic. But I guess it's okay, if the author of the show says they're just telling experiences from their youth, right? My god.

[@_chelitatheckie_8993]

@@anagonzalez8972 Honestly, I prefer Maria over Cuquita oof

[@MrLizestelle]

The fact that the creator offended her OWN PEOPLE and plays the victim instead of apologizing is astounding to me

[@indianruckus6412]

No she didn’t it was the VA

[@P0k3D0nd3M4cG]

She hasn't tho. I haven't seen any Chicanos in these comment sections

[@Oecobius33]

They aren't "her own people," she's a sheltered rich girl out of touch with Mexican culture. When you talk like everyone with some Mexican heritage is one generic tribe, you're making the same mistake the VA did.

[@naoky2338]

She is not one of us, that is the question, belonging to two cultures and at the same time not being part of any and this woman expressed her ideas in the worst possible way

[@rileybear836]

@@naoky2338hat makes her not part of the culture? Is she white? Or is she Mexican American and you don’t consider that a part of your culture ? If the latter then……as a Mexican American, I can’t say I’m surprised. We are constantly “never enough” lol

[@DonLatinoFreak]

Funny thing is this wouldn't have exploded if the creative team and VA hadn't engaged with the audience. Man, people got angrier at them than at the actual show.

[@Elvusmiw]

Like fr. That Instagram story was horrible. Be mad at me all you want. . Why justify the mistake

[@TheStarBot]

@@ElvusmiwBecause it wasn’t an mistake, just slang that people didn’t get Also she’s just an VA

[@Mr5lapp]

I don’t care about the show any other way I don’t hate it but I’m not gonna watch it so I have no reason to hate it. But I have a little more distaste for it now because of the stupid production crew.

[@thecod2345]

A small show of humility and maybe some preventative measures in the writers room in the future would have made this blow over. But then again it seems like that’s more foreign to them than the language they screwed up.

[@Elvusmiw]

​​@@TheStarBoth that was a voice actress. Her speech was weird.

[@theonly5107]

As a Latina individual, it aches me to know just how little people know of our history. We are in fact a land of conquered people, but we, (or much of us) also share blood with those same conquerors. Whether or not we like it, we do. I feel that when many of our people claim full “native,” heritage, it in so many ways is a slap in the face to our brothers and sisters who are in fact full blooded indigenous. They are treated poorly and much often like side shows by tourists. She was extremely ignorant and agreeably narcissistic, (as someone pointed out earlier), in her speech. Disney really needs to hold this individual accountable. Also as a side note: I know why so many will deny their European ancestry, but it doesn’t erase the fact.

[@_beex6]

No es por nada, but they fail to acknowledge that la Conquista, although traguic and disgusting, no fue como en Estados Unidos. Plus, I agree with you; our indigenous peoples are treated like a show and rarely acknowledged, and just because I have are indigenous (up until a certain %) doesn't mean that we are indigenous: my great grandma was indigenous, but I am not. Sayin I am es muy generalizado

[@shar6389]

Exactly, I have Spanish ancestry, also indigenous, but I am not indigenous, and I have black ancestry. I'm a bit of everything, but that's not the point. I have no relationship with my indigenous part, I don't know their language, their customs and even, I don't even know the specific ethnic group. I was raised as a Creole, I have never been in an indigenous village and all I know about them is through books and school, not through contact and interaction.

[@saborevolutionarychief6458]

It’s like when some Whites call others (specifically Hispanics/Latinos and Black) immigrants…But forget the fact that they’re also immigrants too. Denying the history doesn’t mean it’ll go away. It’s in everyone’s blood. Lol But anyways, you made a very good point. While yes, Latinos and Hispanics are people who’s ancestors were conquered many years ago through bloodshed and slavery, we can’t simply deny it. In fact, we’ve basically have come to terms with it and accepted our past. She acts like no country or ethnicity’s history doesn’t have any bloodshed. All cultures have either caused harm or were the ones who got harmed. Can’t change it, but we can learn to accept it to better move on.

[@dapdeep]

@@_beex6 Why though ? Why deny something with you clearly are. Why not reconnect with your roots? What are you less than one percent? Latinos are like mutts, sorry to be offensive. You are acting like a US animal shelter that denies that their lab/boxer mix is also mix with a pitbull. Idk just a thought. Latinos should unite not divide. Wasn't it how they were conquered?

[@cyndlehick9777]

@@shar6389just because you didn’t grow up in the culture doesn’t mean it’s not in your blood That’s so weird to say. Just because I didn’t grow up in Ireland doesn’t mean I’m not Irish.

[@tuscansun2320]

that crew member's instagram story was so passive aggressive and filled with salt that i actually shriveled up and died like a snail

[@marcdimartino9118]

XD

[@sullenjay9032]

Perfect way to describe it

[@zasproductions9258]

“Died like a snail” r/brandnewsentence

[@theminuskai7453]

i think she was trying way too hard

[@emperorkiron3470]

I’m like a snail too, just that one that follows people

[@libRteedude]

This whole controversy is going to go down in public relations history as a prime example of how NOT to react to online criticism.

[@kevinayala3878]

No one cares about online threats

[@theonewhouploadsnothing1704]

@mistahmayne1340Bruh the best way to handle that is not be an ass. You don’t go down to their level because you have much more to lose being that way than they do.

[@longislandicedtea6323]

I also see this as a textbook example of the definition of insanity I've been noticing in A LOT of media in general lately.

[@limemaster4942]

It’s crazy to see that for once people are mad at Disney not for being “too woke” but for being too ignorant and offensive

[@Natalie_Toshino]

Their being "too woke" was an overcorrection for their... past... but yeah, it's almost looking cyclical at this point.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

@SergeantKeroroK66 I swear, they're like a metronome that could fall over at any moment because they just swing way too far back and forth.

[@ineedzemedic5810]

Disney either tries to be exclusive in the worst way possible or straight up racist. I have absolutely no issue with poc being in media and having shows surrounding a culture but GODDAMN HOW DO YOU FUCK IT UP?

[@Natalie_Toshino]

@@addison_v_ertisement1678 They really are.

[@NeroLeMorte]

woke as a term is being ignorant and offensive in a nutshell

[@skygard49]

Something I appreciate about Owl House is how Luiz is Hispanic and it's just, accepted. There's not this huge emphasis on it, it's treated alot like it is in real life and while she has a few quirks from it being Hispanic by no means dominates her character, it's just one part of what makes her unique.

[@jamilleyomtown]

Owl House was amazing. I miss it

[@skygard49]

@@jamilleyomtown Yeah :(

[@SatireDepartment]

I will comment to see what happens to this comment section.

[@cjadams9658]

I wish it was better shown that Luz is Afro Latino because of course her name denotes her being Latina but her features aren’t black until they draw her with curly hair

[@juannaym8488]

@@cjadams9658 I still don't buy that she's afro latina, honestly. There are black characters that have a widely different skin tone and Luz and her parents have all straight hair

[@RandomHandle120]

The smug on that woman's face as she explains her desire to take a dump on a language hundreds of millions of people speak around the world. Congratulations lady, you're a public relations genius.

[@fredrickmansav6852]

it's funny too, because Spanish is derived from Latin which the Romans introduced into Spain, also I'm sure the people's conquered by the Aztecs spoke a different language.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

channeling all of her "let me speak to your manager" energy to explain why she's totes legit and junk for misreading her lines.

[@matiasaguilar2500]

Yeah, “I don’t care about this conquistador language so it doesn’t matter”, you know, talking about the language the HALF THE CONTINENT SPEAKS?

[@AmstradExin]

She doesn't even look native Mexican yet claims to be. Had a Mexican GF for 5 years.

[@maddieb.4282]

@@AmstradExinglad to know your ex gf trained you so hard that you’re now a full anthropologist who can identify someone’s ethnic breakdown just by looking at them

[@danieltobin4498]

The “colonizer language” argument loses all weight because I bet she doesn’t speak ancient mesoamerican languages.

[@terryliliana]

she also speaks english, an even bigger colonizer language.

[@KokonutOil]

​@Yukkuri Mima and even so, they're both major languages spoken all across the world. It's gotten to the point in time where it doesn't even matter where they came from. They're languages. Just leave it as it is

[@terryliliana]

@@KokonutOil i'm not denying that, just pointing out an hypocrisy.

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

Ni nosotros podemos y esta gringa palida se cree más mejicana que los mejicanos

[@HarringtonsApocy]

Idk, i develope indigenous Anishinaabe language courses for the children and the last two generations(who grew up in houses where it was criminal to speak it) and there’s one very clear thing about speaking languages that you learn working with the elders who still have the culture; colonized language is a lot like clothing, you don’t need it for most things, but when a man with a gun comes in your house and burns all of yours, hands you a suit and says he’ll kill you if you don’t put it on… you put it on, and you put them on your kids who weren’t even there, and they put them on their kids. The generational trauma of colonial language isn’t un-ubiquitous and to pretend that it is is just “if you hate capitalism why iphone” in a different skin

[@beyondmills721]

Let's be honest, what made everything way worse was the response of the crew to the backlash. If they didnt respond with pissed nonsense it would have calmed down in a day *Edit* : keyword here is NONSENSE. If you are going to come at people with your higher morals always right attitude AT LEAST make it make sense and say something logic, not pure bullshit. Im not justifying the hate or death threats.

[@sxolar-5587]

Exactly, but they responded violently and made things worse. They didn't even want to accept their mistake.

[@lou9635]

Yeah, everyone would have had a good laugh "haha they got grammar wrong, that's silly" and moved on. But no! The creators was so offended by this tiny flame that they decided to add oil on it!

[@freddyclimaco8990]

Respectfully though…comments on twitter were pretty outright personally offensive and very wild to the creators and producers. I saw plenty of comments personally going towards them. Fire and fire don’t make a positive but the creators and producers just came back with the same energy 🤷🏻‍♂️ if you don’t want smoke don’t give smoke.

[@pyro8632]

Jesus christ I'm from LatAm and I thought the initial criticism was wildly exaggerated, but seeing their response...calling Spanish a conquistador language when people correct your grammar? bruh??? Americans who pride on being part of LatAm culture while having lived their entire lives in the US kind of piss me off. They already lead more privileged lives than any of us yet still find ways to play the victim.

[@cheeseflannel8343]

​@@freddyclimaco8990they can grow a spine, they're gonna get mean comments on the internet

[@Double_D__]

"It's kind of like an American complaining about how British people talk." In fairness, the Brits _do_ get bullied on the regular over how they talk. It just happens to be in the form of memes.

[@carolyns4519]

The British remake of this show is called Oi Guvnas

[@Sh12pen]

​@@carolyns4519 *insert that spelling of "bottle of water", you know the one*

[@raptorjesus5870]

​@@Sh12pen BOTTA O WA AH

[@entropy7705]

To be fair the British do it as well, more particularly how Americans spell words (We don't use "u" for words like Colour, Favourite, etc)

[@voltrya6844]

​@@Sh12penbo'oh'o'wa'ah

[@BIacklce]

the lady explaining why spanish is spoken is quite possibly the worst thing ive ever seen

[@Itariatan]

Es una pendeja

[@poenpotzu2865]

It felt really patronizing and elitist, the roots of how language changes may indicate carelessness and lack of self awareness, or maybe I'm just being too hard

[@katzcat8181]

She is trying to justify her laziness in not trying to learn a language and culture she's making a profit from while portraying hurtful stereotypes of Mexicans who grew up struggling in America trying to learn- its not that they lazy, but it can be truly difficult to learn, and more when they're mocked for it. This is not the case- it really sounds like: "Look, I don't care if I mispronounce words or straight up fck up Spanish sentences- Half Mexican, lived and grown in the U.S, its normal and I can totally do it." Also, saying it from lying on her bed straight up says "I don't care what you guys have to say."

[@kevrms]

Would still slime her though

[@ironmaster6496]

@@poenpotzu2865 i don't think so, i mean she could have just said it's my personal touch and leave it at that, there was zero reason to bring up the Spanish conquerors and downright accusing the whole continent of not having their own language. Which is quite rich coming from someone whose country actually kidnapped people from africa and used them as slaves. Normally i won't bring that kind of stuff up because the sins of the past shouldn't affect the current perception of a country, let alone reflect their modern values, but hey this girls clearly doesn't think that way

[@kooriookami7646]

I had a co-worker who’s family called her “Gordita.” She was on the heavier side and such a lovely woman; explaining to me that nickname, it was such an odd mix of body shame, but familial pride/love. It was a very sweet sort of uncomfy.

[@seronymus]

And the ironic thing is Hispanic men sure do love white women at least when they're chunky :/

[@Artista_Frustrado]

yeah when it comes from families is not really a shaming nickname but more acceptance, "yeah you are you & we love you for being you, & you just happen to be chubby" also weirdly enough it gets used a lot as a Couples name regardless of body type

[@RoboRoby321]

And the darkest one gets called Negrito, the shortest one is Chaparro, the tall one is Alto, skinny if Flaquito, blondes are Wero,

[@prysma2057]

As far I'm concerned, we Latinos are not that much into assuming body shaming on everything, to the point we could use slurs or terrible words to call between ourselves, and offend someone of a different culture as a side effect lol

[@Rayitolaser569]

Here in Argentina it's pretty normal to call friends and family by "negrito" or "negrita" (Basically nig*** lmao)

[@Khadharphak]

It's a bold move to make a kid's show that purposefully teaches them wrong

[@kamenridercosmickiller8549]

Nah more like a bold move to make a kid show that triggered a certain demographic Disney knew people would be upset and they patiently waited for negative comments to pile so they make the ones who had a problem with it look racist; at the same time making themselves look bad for responding to them Either way they profit off of how many people are defending the product ( meaning absolutely no one)

[@upumpkin]

It's going to teach kids to bully I'm afraid

[@kamenridercosmickiller8549]

@@upumpkin The little mermaid literally showed how proficient Disney is with trolling people

[@mousefire777]

Did you watch the video? Oye primos is normal for casual speak in Mexican-American Spanish. It’d be like getting mad about calling the show “me and my cousins” instead of “my cousins and I” for being improper English. It’s not improper, it’s just casual

[@TrianglePants]

*Satanic

[@patoren3gou653]

" It's okay. I don't know Spanish because it was forced on us by colonial settlers" Then why the hell are you speaking English?

[@Mr0901]

While pushing her Spanish on others 😂

[@Ya_Boy_Jwolf]

Underrated comment 🙌

[@tweetbecky6836]

Just a heads up - “Nacho” is a nickname to people called “Ignacio” in most of Mexico and LATAM. It is rarely thought of the food when spoken, and it’s actually pretty common to use

[@JonatasAdoM]

It sounds good to me as a non Spanish speaker. How prevalent is nacho as a food in places like Mexico? Is it a common food or is it like fortune cookies to foreigners?

[@JonatasAdoM]

PS (I can't edit comments on mobile browser). You just made me realize LATAM = Latin America. That's why Tam chanted their name to LATAM (which still doesn't make sense either in Portuguese or Spanish haha).

[@arsene2760]

@@JonatasAdoM From what I know, It Is mostly eaten in some restaurants or in the cinema, I practically never eat nachos in parties or events with family. And most of the time you never say nacho in singular if you're talking about the food, if you say Nacho in singular It sounds like you're talking about an Ignacio like the comment explained.

[@noname-fs6mt]

@@JonatasAdoMwhen I went to Mexico on vacation to visit my Mexican cousins I didn’t see a lot of nachos it was more stuff like street corn, quesadillas, Mexican candy, beans, enfrijoladas, homemade tortillas, chorizo, Al pastor, and lots of birria tacos

[@tarniabook3076]

I'm not latina, but I am spanish, and here I've heard the name Nacho for people a few times. I didn't think of it that way when I heard it here. It's like Dolores' name in Encanto: you could ask why did they name her "pain", but then you'd have to ask a whole lot of hispanic families the same thing.

[@Zuzki507]

As latino, I can confirm, if some women is called "Cuquita", she'll suffer bullying her entire life and would want to change her name at age of 18

[@lobachevscki]

Se llama Refugio. Cuquita no es que sea común pero es un apodo en Venezuela cuando hay confianza. La gente está sobrereaccionando.

[@matrix255]

@@lobachevscki No conozco a nadie que utilice cuquita aqui en Venezuela como apodo. Seria como utilizar machete como apodo.

[@Simte]

​@@matrix255 Sí, quién se llama así ahaha. Que idiotez.

[@salarmer1633]

En méxico si no mal recuerdo se les dice cuca a las que se llaman consúelo

[@korekthonia]

Cuca is a name in Cuba, albeit it's an old fashioned one

[@geminirenegade9290]

At my old job there were these two guys that worked the dairy stuff together. One was Mexican and the other was Filipino so the nickname they came up for themselves was Beans and Rice.

[@ethanpfx3846]

Ah, good representation

[@zeusalternative1270]

Sounds like a name of a music duo whose music is based in food.

[@eveakane6563]

I mean they're delicious together? Use Hunts Pork and Beans on rice, and plain scrambled eggs.

[@smileymctrashbag]

Well, I’d like to be the first person to say that beans and rice are fucking delicious and I wish I had some ngl.

[@acertainmysteriousvirtuoso6150]

As a Filipino, we love rice even pair it with instant ramen

[@bichiAllen]

the "you're too dumb to get it" attitude of the crew i believe is what made people more mad. Simply saying "ah yeah but it's oye primos because that's how the girl says it since she's not good at spanish" instead of going on a rant about how correcting gramar is what opresses usa latinamerican immigrants, was a big big difference lol

[@Yoshiinite]

The crew behind this cartoon has handled the criticsm SO HORRIBLY, it's embarassing

[@animezilla4486]

It's true that when you're handling criticism you supposed to respond to professionally but at the same time remember we live in an age where you're not allowed to do anything without offending somebody

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@animezilla4486like disney and hollywood in general

[@Jayfive276]

@John Cav Indeed - Something something "haters" blah blah "true fans" something something "positive vibes" etc. All they have to say is "OK, we'll take that on board for next time" and everyone moves on.

[@captainweekend5276]

@@animezilla4486 I think the irony here is that the backlash is not from the group that is typically offended over everything, rather that is the group that the creators belong to and are mad that they are getting backlash from the group they are trying to pander to. Given that the title of the show comes from google translate I think it's pretty fair to not want to be charitable to a series that appears to be made by white progressives with little knowledge of the actual culture. Given the director has scrubbed their twitter and there's no wikipedia article on her (very strange considering her career) it seems likely to me that she is greatly exaggerating her latin identity to be known as a "minority creator". Whilst I don't think it's a Rachel Dolezal situation, I would not be surprised to learn if she grew up in a majority white area and had few latin family members or friends she was actually close to.

[@Yoshiinite]

@@animezilla4486 If they'll respond like this, i think they're better off not responding to be honest, what a mess, kind of reminds me of that Crunchyroll anime from years ago, the backlash was like this, though i feel this one is bigger.

[@purplekey9330]

Man this all felt so easy to walk back, then that lady came out and said "actually spanish was forced on us and i dont care if we get it wrong" and then shit became unsalvagable

[@NeODeLeuX]

Could've just gone "Yeah we know it's wrong but it was planned this way since it represents ours and others experiences as 1st/2nd gen inmigrants from latin american descent who live in America and didn't get a good grasp of the spanish language and us getting laughed at from our older siblings/cousins from it" But they decided to go for the "actually you're wrong and it's because you're racist/support colonialization". Hell even a "We're sorry we fucked up, well be better" would've been x100 times better, or just don't say anything. They went with the worst possible play.

[@whattodowithlife._.5722]

yeah, all she needed to say was “oh it’s just a small mistake kids usually do like saying tu instead of usted to someone older” but her response actually angered me and now I switched sides, I’m on the hater team now

[@PDD555]

Fr, I hope they fire her if the project continues (although seeing how nobody there speaks or knows Spanish it'd be better to get Spanish speakers or don't continue with the project at all

[@lasarousi]

The "not speaking Spanish correctly" could have been part of the show since it makes sense as a mixed kid growing with at least two languages. Little kids having languages mixed is a great plot point and mostly unique to immigrant/mixed children. But she had to make it about politics in the quest way possible.

[@cheeseobsession4122]

​@@PDD555 I think she's the main VA, so I doubt that'll happen

[@fc_chorizo16]

7:55 The nickname "Nacho" is actually just a simplified version of "Ignacio". Similar to how someone named "Eduardo" would be called "Lalo", or how "Dolores" would be "Lola". Just wanted to point out that it's not a nickname given to someone just because they're Mexican.

[@LittleDogTobi]

This mistake stood out to me, too. I understand if that's an assumption OP made given his limited understanding of his parents' culture and language, but I hope "Nacho = racist name" is not a criticism people online are actually making of the show, because they would be only be showing their own ignorance. I also grew up in the States and knew several kids called Gordo/a, Gordito/a by their parents.

[@salasyk8708]

Yeah and like Luis = Kike

[@s.lajoie9961]

Yeah, when I was staying in Spain, I was working with three Nachos (all born and raised in Spain) and there was no negative connotation with the name at all.

[@PixarShark]

Not me realizing just how multi-faceted this makes Ignacio’s nickname of Nacho Libre in the film of the same name. 😂 Brilliant! I thought it just had to do with the donated chips he always brought for the orphans!

[@functionatthejunction]

@@LittleDogTobi ""Nacho = racist name" is not a criticism people online are actually making of the show" It is. Its like people on the internet have decided that the Chinese name "Ling Ling" in now a racial slur.

[@SaucedUpStinkyGrandpa]

I’m glad the creator of phineas and ferb isn’t involved in this. Very wholesome guy.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Doofenshmirtz se salvó

[@ethanhayes7038]

What really pisses me off about that one lady's condescending rant is "Latinos=Native Americans" isn't even correct. On the whole the Latino identity is a complex mix of European, African, and Native American heritage, though the details tend to differ from place to place. But that's why latino is a blanket term that casts a wide net like white or black. So "our ancestors were colonized and forced to use someone else's language" is a shit take because a sizable chunk of her ancestry also includes said colonizers.

[@homerc9101]

Is just an anti-white narrative popular among Americans, they define their identity in contrast with WASP Americans, they want to consider themselves natives so they can reframe their illegal immigration status as "reclaiming native land" and at the same time get to be victims of colonialism. Actual latinsnericans are pretty aware that we are the colonial society and the descendents of those "conquistadores".

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

Honestly reminds me of how some biracial people only choose to "identify" with one part of their lineage, and sht on the other side as if it's going to give them some kind of authenticity cred Like, no amount of denial is going to change that biracial means TWO RACES. And the more people refuse to embrace that, the more we're going to have self-hating biracial kids and ethnonationalists who feel empowered to refer to people with disgusting terms like "mutt" or "pure blood"

[@opiumlover91]

Brown diasporoids living in America are literally the only people to identify themselves as "Latinos".

[@jorgeloredo100]

"Our ancestors" is such a bullshit term also, my ancestors were both the colonized natives and the Spanish conquistadors, that's like the basis of being Latinoamericano.

[@MadRelique]

Latino was actually a term coined by a Chilean. It's was ment to differentiate Hispanics born in the Americas from "American and Canadian Gringos " whose culture was based on Anglo traditions.

[@damonedrington3453]

It’s pretty hard to offend Latinos. Like, they are EASILY the most laid back about being able to take a joke at a racial level. They love that most portrayals of Spanish characters has them be over the top. So the fact Disney pissed them off THIS hard is impressive.

[@CemeteryDriveClown]

From my experieñce, there are many latins that will get offended by anything. Saying anything negative about their 'greater latin culture', anything gay, non-christian or disagreeing with their european beliefs gets you labeled as not a true 'latin'. They are incredibly protective over their culture and only want people to practice or represent it exactly how they think it should be. It annoys me so much how they just love to police over everything and they will NEVER help to defend native people despite literally being related to us. They eat up anything made by the media that's insanely fetishistic or racist against native culture and fight so hard to defend it. Also they're sometimes really protective over their "reggaeton"s which I think is really awful and tasteless. Not all of them are like this, but a lot of them are and I hate when they act like this.

[@nuxmitikuna7718]

I totally disagree, it's super easy as much as to offend other cultures

[@elizabethparga6181]

Agree and disagree it Gary's from person as a Latina I can take those type of jokes and how we are portrayed in shows and stuff but some others may find it pretty b offensive and get pretty pissed off though this show did piss me off a bit

[@tensai_kodai]

@@CemeteryDriveClown THISSSSSSS!! My family are the type of Puerto Ricans/Mexicans to bring up the Bible and Christianity the moment something doesn't fit into their limited worldview. But they never go to church lol. ANYTIME I hear criticism from Latinos about something meant to be progressive, unfortunately, I have to stop and think "Is this thing bad or are my people being ignorant conservatives as usual?". Its hard to tell unless one has watched this show which side to be on.

[@Ms666slayer]

@@CemeteryDriveClown BTW: What kid of latinos ara you talking about, is the American Latinos, or Latinos born and raised in Latin America, because is really hard to offend Latinos from Latin America, everything offensive you may want to say we already said it ourselves and made some jokes about it.

[@BeanManolo]

I'm latino myself, but from one of the few countries that don't speak spanish (I'm from Brazil). And we had our own show based on the creator's childhood, Jorel's Brother. But people here actually liked it because it was a pretty funny and accurate portrayal of how brazilian childhood was like in the 80's and 90's; I feel the problem people had with 'Oye Primos' was that even if it's based on the creator's childhood, the responses given by her and other people in the production were pretty tone-deaf. Instead of explaining things like "yeah she says Oye Primos wrong because she don't know how to speak spanish very properly" they doubled down on calling others out; I must say: if you want to do a show based on your childhood, at least listen to people saying some stuff you chose sound a bit offensive. Doubling down and basically shitting on others is pretty sucky. Also "This is why we feel ashamed to represent our Latinidad" and saying someone is being offensive to the 'Latino diaspora' while attacking someone who's from and still lives in a Latino country? I'm sorry to say, but that's the most gringo stuff I ever saw. If you don't want to be called out, don't act like one, and attack someone who's also a latino just because they do'nt live in US.

[@fernandad1086]

El hermano de jorel fue una joya de CN

[@sabrinaleite8531]

a bit unrelated but I LOVE JOREL’S BROTHER IT’S SUCH A GOOD SHOW I loved it growing up, even tho I’m not from the 80’s/90’s it still was rlly funny & I feel like it’s so underrated

[@arandompasserby7940]

"I'm sorry to say, but that's the most gringo stuff I ever saw." Agreed. Sadly, that's what happens when you drink "the California Kool-Aid"

[@blurryflag6466]

I agree with you, I'm sick of those new creators who are "always right and shouldn't be criticized by anyone", how do we dare not to applaud them!!

[@niko5008]

OH MY GOD I REMEMBER THAT SHOW!!!!! IT WAS SO GOOD DUDE! The style reminded me a lot of the show featuring Pepe and his grandmother, that had the movie with 10 minutes of brands showing at the start. The logo of the producers of Jorel's brother was like... a cup? And some tune that I still remember to this day. Edit: dam I wrote joel instead of jorel

[@arie_lovexi]

offending latinos is like offending or pissing off that one super relaxed and chill friend who you NEVER see mad or annoyed at anything. Thats how much they fucked it up 😂😂

[@SirBlackReeds]

As opposed to pissing off Canadians?

[@manporo5865]

@@SirBlackReeds I agree. We are very violent people compared to Canadians

[@arandombaguette9320]

@@SirBlackReeds HEY screw u man, we can get mad! uh sorry... that was kinda rude hope you have a good day...

[@goldenwolfae]

clearly you haven’t had a dinner with my extended family

[@jfzzlc]

​@@goldenwolfae They're right in the sense that younger generations of latinos tend to be more laid back with humor and all.

[@sweetpea644]

Disney is being slammed by their international audience, never thought I'd see the day.

[@MarshallLeeA]

It happened before too when they slapped that 21 Minute Olaf short at the beginning of Coco

[@Mr5lapp]

Go woke = go broke

[@koda_dawgg]

​@@MarshallLeeAgod yea, that was absolutely awful. i'm still not over that.

[@darkdoctor1915]

Disney has always made me mad

[@genericname2747]

@@MarshallLeeA They really felt the need to shove it in front of a movie about a mexican holiday.

[@PegasusAnarchy]

Calling Spanish a conquistador language (that it is) while speaking English (another conquistador language) is crazy.

[@cheeplethebulldog1420]

Guess I’ll stop learning Latin, another conquistador language. Hypocrisy is stupidity. Some of these people seem so toxic that just brushing by them gives you radiation poisoning.

[@sanmedina]

an even more (Successful?) conqueror language rip

[@marcusmeins1839]

Oh the Irony XD

[@nsei7828]

"Conquistador"🤓

[@zalabit927]

Can't imagine entertainment sounding just as good in native languages that barely anyone uses, mostly rural communities. English and spanish are the default languages, that's how it is, it's been shaped to practical uses and unique terms. Can't change something that has already been established for so long.

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

If Disney wanted a show latinos liked, they could've let the Owl House have the full 4 seasons it needed.

[@AADP]

heard it was great, it did have something I like ✂✂

[@sabrinaleite8531]

FRRR SO TRUE

[@bocolatebhipbookie]

ikr or just make good original storylines again 😭 disney is so unoriginal these days

[@terryliliana]

the owl house was too sucessful and a possitive, healthy example of lgbt, of course they would not let it exist any longer.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

I don't think it works that way.

[@Undlark]

I just feel sorry for the teams of animators who have to animate 13+ characters in scenes.

[@DonKrieg-382]

dont worry they already got paid

[@rafaelcastor2089]

​@@DonKrieg-382Animators getting paid? Lmao

[@DonKrieg-382]

@@rafaelcastor2089 why does a animated movie or show cost money?

[@rafaelcastor2089]

@@DonKrieg-382 For every reason EXCEPT animators getting paid, that shit simply does not happen lol

[@DonKrieg-382]

@@rafaelcastor2089 lmao lying if they dont get paid then they wouldnt work on the series

[@Solice-lx8mk]

That woman (2:40) could not have sounded any more insufferable if she wanted to.

[@someoadamson9073]

MIGRANE

[@KicksPregnantWomen]

I want to pour boiling water on her face

[@_V.Va_]

Latinas.

[@Maldito_Murilito]

You can't speak your language latinix it's oppressing you

[@BLT7]

More than anything, I feel like this is a masterclass on how NOT to handle negative PR for your show. If none of the cast/crew had spoken up, it probably would have died down. Not every accusation requires you to respond immediately.

[@arandompasserby7940]

Not only that, but it's a really terrible response. There's a reason multiple tribes HELPED THE SPANISH conquer the Aztecs...

[@LLCL2012]

I agree, IMO most of the criticism of the intro was nitpicky and overreaction from us latin americans, buy the way she patronizes everyone was infuriating.

[@shockwaveherp9823]

@@arandompasserby7940 I mean the conquistadors were no saints either, but, regardless its such a weightless point. Its been centuries since those days, the native language is basically dead; the countries that represent those cultures speak spanish now and other 'conquered' languages. Its their language now, the same culture that her parents came from.

[@nahmate6592]

Bro, one of them even posted that she’s “glad” that her parents didn’t raise her on the “sh*thole country” that been Mexico. Yet here we have them representing those from their “Earthquake” town…

[@solanelukoperse5815]

I don't think we realize the extent of the awful harrassment the team is victim of right now, it's easy to call people smug without consideration for what's behind the curtains. You know what, there must be some support system created for cartoons creators with help to handle online harrassment.

[@afterdinnercreations936]

The Oye Primos theme, but every "Oye Primos" is replaced with a live script-reading of "Eight Crazy Nights"

[@Alexander-ze3ts]

Something being an artistic choice in any media is just so forgivable but instead she chose the ‘you’re just too stupid to understand why you’re wrong’ defense…

[@keelanbarron928]

Doesn't help she had her voice low in a condersending way.

[@bluedragonfox]

Best way to put it

[@moonknightress5059]

For me it's the smug, condecending way the VA responded 😬

[@HasNoHalo]

Everyone who posts a video of them laying down in bed while talking down to you has the same exact tone and superiority complex.... its pretty easy to identify.

[@craycraywolf6726]

It was actually painful to watch holy crap

[@civrk5221]

They canceled the owl house just to turn around and let this show happen? Wow Disney really is godawful.

[@akilelawless8460]

@picklepicklegobblegobble6257 🤣

[@dayvonlouis5187]

So now you’re catching on?

[@TF2Fan101]

Not surprising. Wander Over Yonder got cancelled despite the creator wanting to make one more season (Seriously, Craig McCracken got screwed over SO bad in the 2010s) and replaced with Pickle and Peanut. And don’t get me started on how badly TRON: Uprising and Motor City were treated.

[@_chelitatheckie_8993]

@@TF2Fan101 Wander Over Yonder deserved better

[@skinnyweenie8679]

​@@TF2Fan101How the hell did Pickle and Peanut "replaced" Wander over Yonder ? You do know that Pickle and Peanut was airing alongside Wander ? Also, you're really acting like Pickle and Peanut was awful or something...

[@TayumeTheMuffinMan]

That is one of the worst apology videos I've ever seen. She doesn't even apologize, she just waffles on about the Conquistadors for two minutes.

[@Sayajin3321]

That's because it's not an apology video, it is a justification video.

[@riotbreaker3506]

As a Mexican who grew up in Chihuahua, the irony is that none of our shows are explicitly Mexican in the same way shows like this try to be. Some of our most famous shows are Mexican by nature, but not by presentation, like many of our dramas, comedies, and cartoons. I'd love to see the regality of the silver age Mexican cinema come back, or at least some modernity playing with those Mexican tropes, which often falls flat when you look at shows based in Mexico.

[@teerthrajtirpude1950]

Chihuahua ! That’s name of an actual place? I never new that

[@fiammaorsmth9840]

​@@teerthrajtirpude1950 Yup! The dog's named after it due to it originating from there, if I recall correctly

[@teerthrajtirpude1950]

@@fiammaorsmth9840 thank you very much for the information

[@riotbreaker3506]

@teerthrajtirpude1950 it's the state bordering Texas, it's also the city I was born in.

[@johnduquette7023]

@@teerthrajtirpude1950 So are Labrador and Dalmatia.

[@ismaelalvarez1569]

Nacho is a nickname for Ignacio. In fact, the origin of nachos are alleged to being invented by a man named Ignacio, who'se nickname was Nacho. The nickname predates the food, for what it's worth.

[@cheeplethebulldog1420]

The same thing happens for Guinness, which is an Irish surname but often gets associated with the beer.

[@panicatlabiblioteca]

@@cheeplethebulldog1420 or world records

[@urielcervantes4400]

Y "gordita" es un mal 😂nombre para GORDA. Y CHACHA de dónde salió? Las chachas son las sirvientas.

[@FriedFreya]

That’s what I assumed when I read the initial “Nacho is short for Ignacio” comments, like: wow! How amazing, a food named after a name that NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT?? Why am I just learning about this in the comments section of a breakdown about a cartoon? Wild! I love Nachos, and I love them even more now knowing their name is so linguistically interesting.

[@J-leaf]

@@FriedFreya Never seen Better call Saul? A really cool character is called Ignacio "Nacho" Verga.

[@lemonlebowski1397]

I almost laughed out loud wheen you zoomed in on the shoes on the powerline. My brother went to Mexico and lived there for two years and when he asked residents about huge collections of shoes on powerlines, he got the mixed responses of "Just for fun" and "Drug dealing spot".

[@korosuke1788]

The "just for fun" part consists of school boys bullying their classmates. This is most frequent on poor schools since they know the shoeless kid will probably get beaten up at home.

[@ryansolis6134]

@@korosuke1788thats a reach

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

I remember seeing some of those shoes on Powerline in certain areas growing up (I grew up in Texas not Mexico btw) and whenever I ask my aunt and grandma about it, they just said "it's just kids being bad" or "people are just trying to dry their shoes." Had no idea it was a negative connotation until today.

[@michaellawhun5941]

A little late to this but I live in North Carolina and the shoes on power lines is a thing here, too

[@mckennawren4381]

Live in America and I see this in certain areas as well Granted I thought the same kids being bad or just messing around since I saw some kids do it once. But now that I'm an adult the drug meet up is the one that makes the most since and on god that's smart as hell 😂😂😂😂

[@neko_knockout]

Seeing cartoons like this being given a massive shot at becoming mainstream popularity only to epicly fail, makes me so mad that genuinely good shows like glitch techs are constantly getting cancelled.

[@ZeoCobra]

I feel like naming the city "Earthquake Heights" has got to be the most tone deaf insensitive thing I have ever seen.

[@effyelvira]

I have family members STILL traumatized by a big one in the 70s

[@seronymus]

Imagine an anime made in the West set in "New Hiroshima". Or a cartoon about a Jewish family set in Auschwitzville.

[@nunyabisness1979]

well to be fair we have a place here in america called tornado ally

[@azzaelulbrinter]

Chilean here, i think it is cute funny in a traditional chilean black humor kind of way We take pride for a lot of awful stuff, including having the biggest recorded earthquake on history, and being so used to them, that we dont move from our chairs unless it is above 7.0 richter We even have an alcoholic drink named terremoto. I think it was white wine with pinapple icecream and cherry syrup (i dont drink so not sure ingredients)

[@matiasnico22]

@@azzaelulbrinter si pero, acá pasa un terremoto y nadie se mueve porque nuestra infraestructura está preparada para ello, en México un terremoto similar puede ser muy devastador aunque igual es cierto que nos gusta reírnos de nuestras desgracias.

[@nrnrn999]

Absolutely crazy that Disney not only released a show with a title that doesn't make sense but then let the creator come out and make a patronising video about how it's actually *good* that she can't speak Spanish well because colonialism is bad and kids are morons.

[@TheStarBot]

Expect that wasn’t the creator, just the voice actor

[@roxassora2706]

Is she wrong, though?

[@dra-boys-despair9806]

@@roxassora2706yes she is

[@billybois5745]

​@@TheStarBoteither way, if spanish is soooo baaaaad, why don't she learn a native language from México? There's a shitton to learn and they're easily accesible

[@see949]

Spanish is a colonizers languange forced upon mexicans. When they wrote the mexican constitution, they wrote it in spanish, when the majority of mexicans spoke indigenous

[@leadattack3401]

As a Mexican that lives near the border, the problem I have with things like this and The Casagrandes is that they feel really pandering with its cultural elements, they don’t do it organically.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Oh no, a show made by people not understanding the culture doesnt manage to grasp the culture, - who had thought that would happen?

[@bluecreator7779]

Do you mean pandering as in this show was made specifically to be about latinos/mexicans rather than a show that just happens to have a latino/mexican family?

[@julianmartinez4719]

​@@bluecreator7779exactamondo... perdon, me vi mucho la serie de los pingüinos de Madagascar y me encantaba cuando decían eso.😅

[@alfredgomez3128]

This is ironic next to the Speedy Gonzalez bit: latino community can accept, even adopt, singular, stereotype characters.... while trying for authentic Latino home life can be screwed up royally.

[@AzafuseKingTora]

@@bluecreator7779 That it's a show made for latinos by americans who don't know anything about latam beyond mexican-americans so it's superficial at best, very stereotypical at worst and it's never relatable either way.

[@fishebola]

I feel like the problem is that this show seemed to be promoted as a representation of Mexicans and Mexico, as well as Latinos in general, when really the show was made to be about a Latino based Californian neighborhood. I feel like it just had bad marketing and research

[@pablocasas5906]

One of the most popular animation KZbinrs, La Zona Cero, who is from México made a video a month after Primo's first teaser was released and explained that the series was reflecting the life of those kids from Latin American descent who live in the U.S., the so called chicanos, which makes sense considereing the show's creator, Natasha Klein is a chichana. Now, that's all fine and good in iteself, but the thing is that Disney never marketed the show itself as chicano representation, i think the pitch for the series never even used the word chicano, it only referes the characters as "latinx", and many people in all of Latin Amércia are getting kind of tired that the all the different cultures from the region are getting lumped into a sort of monolith and most of the time just focusing on Mexican inmigrants, even Mexican people are getting tired of it. It's almost impossible to have a sort of unified "Latino" culture, there's plenty of difference amongst all the continent, just like what happens with Asian and African cultures when people tried to lump them all together to represent an unified culture

[@VampireNewl]

I love the fact that not only does she make a video trying to justify her Lazyness in learning spanish, it also seems she couldn't even bother getting out of bed to make it.

[@JeremyBelpoisX]

The age of internet narcissism at its finest.

[@Gotmilk0112]

@@misterjay85 it's a lazy and incorrect representation

[@VampireNewl]

@@misterjay85 It's not a bad point it's a shame *she* didn't make it.

[@jorigmamaco5245]

​@@misterjay85And she failed miserably and managed to be narcissistic, xenophobic and racist at the same time Great feat tbh

[@alicepbg2042]

@@misterjay85 I have in fact seen people complaining about it

[@CommanderSazabi316]

As a Mexican who lives in Mexico with a lot of friends into animation I will tell you this, the show is getting a lot of hate. Whether it deserves it or not I can not say atm since it hasn’t come out yet. But you know what show people my age look back with nostalgia and fondness? Mucha Lucha! For many of us it was a big part of our childhoods and had a special place in our heart. As Pan himself can tell you that show didn’t have any of the the main show runners be Mexican or of Mexican decent. But you know what it did have people who appreciated and respected Lucha Libre and the culture behind it. That and the best intro song ever (sang by a real Mexican band ) goes to show you as long as you have respect and love for what you are depicting you can be of any race and make a quality product that will appeal to everyone.

[@pablocasas5906]

Mucha Lucha! was awesome, I'm from Argentina and not even a wrestling fan but I watched the entire show when I was in elementary school. I think it kind of helps that Mucha Lucha! focuses more on the lucha libre aspect, it just so happens that the main characters are supposed to be of Latin American descent but the "¡Prestigiosa escuela internacional de lucha libre del mundo!" is populated by people of all races. Also, the voice actors who voiced Ricochet and Buena Niña, Héctor Emanuel Gómez y Karla Falcón, met and began dating while working on the show and later got married, so something pretty amazing came for the working at Mucha Lucha!

[@femalegirlzz]

To this day, I'll be doing something a burst out with this is for HONOR, FAMILY & TRADITION!!!!!

[@agentepolaris4914]

​@@femalegirlzzand donuts

[@reinweissritter]

Everything you said plus a great spanish dub.

[@7StringBlazer]

Yooo me and my dad LOVED watching Mucha Lucha! Thats the only show I can remember that would make him audibly laugh at the fart jokes and he loved The Flea even though he normally hated that type of humor. The theme song is STILL something that's a banger. For the record, I'm black and I grew up in the northeastern part of Maryland, but bits of the east coast are so mixed that all kinds of people would interact with each other and get a genuine exposure to each other and we would all just kind of grow up with those parts intertwined, at least in the 90s. One of my best friends' family was Panamanian, and I grew up watching Galavision and Univision and my mom and sisters would watch Sabado Gigante too. Makes me think that when you put different people together and just let them be, they sort of figure things out and grow together on their own. All this pandering causes the respect to be lost and we get shows like this and less with respect and love behind it.

[@PeeperSnail]

That video from the VA is so patronizing. Yes, we know Spanish was enforced on us, WE AREN’T DUMB! No disrespect to chicanos, but so many of them have this EXTREMELY patronizing/infantilizing view of actual Latinos living in Latin America. They assume we’re too stupid or our countries too ass backwards to actually have any meaningful opinions about our culture, oppression and inclusion. It happened before with the whole “Latinx” discourse, it’s happening again here. Plenty of Latin American countries beat Spain in terms of people who speak the language and its cultural impact. Yes, it was brought over by colonialism, but it’s ours now. If these people seriously care about colonialism so much then they would actually make a show in Guaraní or Náhuatl, but oh no, that would mean dealing with Native Americans, who are much more active about correcting the misuse of their history and culture by outsiders.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

I'm a white European, so l never got what "Latinx" was good for. "Latin" is right there, and has been for decades. (It really didn't help that l kept seeing people like me use it, which made me think of able-bodied people who kept saying "differently abled" while disabled people never did.)

[@davibookman4536]

Nah fam, Chicano niggas doesn’t deserve human rights

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

@@TheDanishGuyReviews same it reminds me sm of people saying handicapable lmao

[@Nihil847]

Not just that, but many of them gatekeep being “Latino” too lol

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

Latinx sounds more like the name of a poorly made Kingdom Hearts OC than an actual speech of language, hate it when gringos pretend to know better

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

The "shoes on a power line means gangs/drugs" thing is an urban myth, but that doesn't really clear up their use in fiction where that's probably the reason they're being used. It's actually a classist rumor, since shoe toasing tends to happen in lower income neighborhoods. I've lived in areas with little to zero gang activity and seen it all over the place, usually near trailer parks and/or cheaper apartments.

[@alexiel8317]

pues donde yo vivía ahí te balazeaban vro💀

[@devociondevoradora]

in my fucking country shoes on a power line is a symbol of some one kill a inocent guy

[@aiocafea]

yeah, while i am open that the symbolism may change depending on where you are, i don't really buy all the stories sure, the same way homeless people and drug dealers can use graffiti to communicate, drug dealers and gangs could use shoes to communicate, but there must be way more noise than signal they're easy to put up, difficult to remove, and they attract the attention of everyone. they don't make it impossible to be used effectively as a means of communication but it greatly narrows their use-cases

[@BeyondBaito]

@@aiocafea I've actually never seen anyone use them for drugs. I see em, but so does everyone else, and if cops already believe in that stigma, it probably doesn't work.

[@Mr0901]

In Costa Rica usually means a drug dealer around. In some cases it might even be a tribute to a friend who self terminated.

[@vfxninja5503]

That VA really just said "EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME" and broke her own neck so hard it made the show look awful too

[@animegx45]

Ghost and Molly McGee did a good episode about the whole language thing. Molly is half-Thai and felt shame for not being good at all at speaking thai (even her white Dad could tell a joke in Thai) or even handle classic spicy thai food. The poor kid ended up being overloaded when she tried to have the dinner table being spoken only in Thai.

[@terrenceharris-hughes4436]

Great show and great episode

[@Mario87456]

Too bad that show eventually went woke though

[@davifernandopereiraborges5168]

​@@Mario87456what do you mean?

[@Mario87456]

@@davifernandopereiraborges5168 Such as featuring gay ghosts solely to be woke and having a VERY creepy episode involving periods.

[@MaorKoren6405]

@mario87456 wake up idiot we are in 2023 not in 1930

[@ikennanana]

I would love if they kept the theme song as it is now but as the main character learns more about her Spanish heritage from her family or some sort, the theme song evolves to her actually speaking Spanish correctly.

[@spectator4683]

With an idea like that I wish Disney would've hired you for this show instead of the people they did end up hiring.

[@gabrielaragon9562]

Disney series doesn't do that

[@Lady162]

That would be awesome! Too bad there’s not enough brain cells to go around the production office to think up that idea…

[@ikennanana]

@@primo8951 Let’s just wait until the show starts. If it does that is lol.

[@KitKat_293]

oye primos is just american dialect. it's common simplistic slang. the same thing as saying "y'all" instead of you all. imagine a white american character's learning and growing being shown by them losing their regional dialect and saying "you all" properly. so goofy and ridiculous. the latino audience backlash over kid characters speaking slang Spanish is so clownish "y'all" should be embarrassed

[@therealAZLN]

Nacho/Nachito is believable, since “Nacho” is short for “Ignacio”. That’s actually why Friar Ignacio calls himself Nacho in Nacho Libre. The food was named after a famous restaurant owner named Ignacio, who reportedly cobbled together a snack of chips and beans and salsa when some hungry customers came in after the shop closed.

[@washurbrik2848]

Also nacho from better call Saul

[@Pearlmetheus]

Im sorry Disney but we ALREADY have perfect representation of Hispanic Fellas E L T I G R E 💪🐯

[@fabianojeda3078]

thats just mexican

[@AbrahamG.99]

@@fabianojeda3078 It's funny when people forget that there are more countries in latinamerica

[@feshpince7181]

@puffyhairedghost2415 Mucha Lucha was ass

[@farenhaid13421]

@@feshpince7181 Argentina for example has a few, mafalda being one of the most well known if I am correct. Another from my childhood is called "Alejo y valentina" which to be honest was a glorified shitpost with bad animation like flash, by was really entertaining nevertheless.

[@Merry19ss]

Eso representa a México ,más no a los demás países Americanos Hispanos peor a los Lusitanos (Brasileños). Desde cuándo nos va la Lucha libre

[@どくたるいじぢん]

Even Hirohiko Araki is not Italian (JJBA mangaka)he know how to make research on Italian culture for his Jojo manga Vento Aureo. And at the end the manga was praised and loved by Italians. Hirohiko Araki is a prime example how to make manga accurately. Oye Primos should learned from Araki.

[@SorarikoMotone]

i mean, vento aureo was happening in italy and is written by a japanese man, who has 0 experience in italian culture etc, so research WAS needed, this cartoon is happening in america about characters of mixed backgrounds from what we all can see, and people working on it are also americans of mixed backgrounds, mostly from their experience of living in america. so, imo there's quite a difference between 2 situations, albeit the whole "spanish is a colonizer language' was kinda cringe, ngl.

[@どくたるいじぢん]

@@SorarikoMotone the best thing about Araki was he got collab with Italian luxury fashion brand Gucci after Vento Aureo was a huge success. Also Araki really loves Italy.

[@Mythicalslayer0]

Really interesting bit too, Araki's research is actually extremely extensive, he usually travels to the locations he plans to take inspiration from to understand the culture, enviroments, the people, the food, etc. Its a deep understanding of what makes the culture special or unique, thats why italians loved it, its a celebration of their culture that you can see passion was put into. This part may be subjective but i think thats such an important thing, more so than being an accurate portrayal of the culture (not that its not important however), it celebrating the culture and what it represents, for example theres Mucha Lucha, El Tigre, Speedy Gonzales, the Mario Odyssey Sand Kingdom, as some examples that come to mind of what you could interpret as possible stereotypes or misrepresentations of the culture, but for the most part, all these pieces of media are well beloved by Mexican people, and i think the reason for it is because its not so much that they may try and accurately portray the culture, but that its true to what the culture is meant to represent, the fun and exciting battles of lucha libre, the welcoming and colorful vibes of the streets and cities, the parties and celebrations with the many different foods and clothes, its all things that make people like me happy, because i believe its less about being accurate and more of how its being portrayed, Speedy Gonzales for example, is shown as this astute, clever, heroic and noble character. Funnily enough this also happened with Kung Fu Panda, when the movie aired, it was well beloved in china, and it has a lot of misrepresentation of the Chinese culture, often adding and mixing elements from other asian cultures, but it was still well received because of the fun story, the exciting and intense battles, the superb animation, it may not be accurate but it is a love letter to what its trying to represent and i think thats what matters.

[@DeathKnells]

@@どくたるいじぢん Don't forget how they literally have Jojos artwork in The Louvre, pretty sure all of Europe just loves Jojo

[@unitymask]

he literally named the characters after dishes people loved it because it fit within the usual ridiculousness of jjba

[@gibranmero]

Clarifying some points: In Spanish-speaking countries is common to "contract" certain names or to have names based on those names. For example: Jesus = Chucho Maria Fernanda = Mafer Ignacio = Nacho Vicente = Chente Nicknames are so ingrained in Latin-American culture that parents can pass them down to their kids. my dad is Jose Luis, one of her younger sisters that was 3 years old at the time used to call him "Jochivi" because she struggled with the pronunciation so his nickname became "Chivi" So naturally my brother who is also called Joseluis is now "chivito"

[@Aztechicano]

Doesn't Jesus = Chuy

[@sebastiangudino9377]

@@Aztechicano Jesus is a very common name. In Venezuela "Jesus" can be "Chu". At least in oriente

[@gibranmero]

@@Aztechicano chuy / chucho In my super catholic family they would correct me because chucho is also used to refer to dogs. So it will imply that im comparing Jesús Christ with a dos. But yeah, both are used.

[@pezequilibradohace5anos538]

Jesús: Chuy. Tf you get chucho from?

[@ramao3912]

Jesus=yisus

[@Eddie2Rojas]

Dude when he talked about the foot locker being on the power line i literally cracked up. I can totally see a adult cartoon joke where a Latino cousin who is from the ghetto (and is probably in a gang) gifts a character some shoes and when asked where he got them from it flashes back to either him stealing them or him trying to get off a power line with a broomstick.

[@ailem2707]

Pudieron haber dicho “este show busca reflejar la experiencia de los hijos de inmigrantes, que sienten que no cuadran en ninguna de las dos culturas a las que pertenecen”. En su lugar, decidieron ser condescendientes e hipócritas. Se merecen las críticas.

[@geministrial950]

Gringos al fin

[@maribelhalcyon]

Es gracioso como tenían la excusa PERFECTA para justificarse y en lugar de eso decidieron directamente sacrificar todo el trabajo y esfuerzo que fue al proyecto

[@osjuchava]

El problema de esta tipa es que está acostumbrada a echarle las culpas a todos los que no piensan como ella cuando la critican, y si alguien la contradice, nada más los califica de racistas y listo, por eso es que no lo pensó para hacer el video. No le pasó por la mente que acusar de racistas a los propios latinos es una estupidez, y que esa actitud de soberbia y condescendencia no funciona con nosotros. Es un resultado de crecer en un ambiente hiper liberal, y tener cero contacto con personas con diferentes culturas y pensamientos. Ojalá que toda esta polémica le ayude a crecer como persona, pero lo dudo mucho...

[@OM19_MO79]

Cual experiencia? Lo que se nota aquí es que un montón de altos ejecutivos se juntaron para ver que nueva porquería woke se les ocurría para la nueva temporada. Se pusieron a ver la competencia, vieron los Casagrande, quisieron contratar a Savino, se enteraron de lo del acoso y en desesperación buscaron a alguien del staff que tuviera algo de herencia latina y alguna AI escupió el nombre de esta ¡d¡ota y la pusieron a desarrollar el bodrio. Si esta tuvo una experiencia “latina”, debió ser como la experiencia de los hijos del tío Phil de ser afroamericanos. Ahora resulta que te vuelves racista de tu propia raza si criticas lo que otra raza mal informada piensa de tu herencia. Si Disney sabe lo que le conviene, tiene que convertir esto en lost media pero ya.

[@jorgeloredo100]

La tipa insinúa qué hablamos Nahuatl? O Maya, Guaraní, Quechua? Y que lo escondemos para satisfacer a nuestros conquistadores españoles o que? 😂

[@amotl2009]

As someone who's white and half-Mexican, not fitting in with my family has been a problem that's existed for most of my life. But then I found some things that me and my older Mexican cousins have in common with such as Dragon Ball Z and video games. At the end of the day, video games and DBZ helped me build a relationship with my family and grow closer.

[@weebeegeenov3634]

DBZ: the true peace of Latinos

[@XetXetable]

DBZ unifies everyone: black, white, asian, hispanic or whatever. When we finallly meet aliens, they'll only start relating to us when they see DBZ and realize how awsome it is.

[@magentialice]

reminds me of when me and my siblings played bomber man with our parents

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

As always, video games are the glue that holds people together.

[@pablocasas5906]

Anime in general, video games and The Simpsons are the things that bring all of Latin America together

[@lemonlebowski1397]

The lady's response is like me saying "It's okay if I suck at my job, because we're all in a rigged system set upon us by the ancients and it's technically slavery so I am validated."

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

“By the ancients” made me imagine a bunch of eldritch beings just setting things up to fuck with mortals 🤣

[@M.C.11Mc7]

​@@brotherkhrayn3525 I thought of the Rain World version of The Ancients and it created a rather weird image in my head. 😅

[@tonalityrocks635]

My parents are both from Mexico too... And I look white... And I play for both sides and lose. I've never felt anything as deeply as this. So true man.

[@kairicat856]

white latinos exist i mean is guillermo del toro not white now? 😂

[@jimsmarma2890]

You're from Texas?

[@BugsyFoga]

It’s insane how that Pan managed to make a vid about this controversy in the span of like a day or two, that’s freaking fast .

[@pkkingcrimsonrequiem1332]

would only make sense if....Pan masterminded the whole thing.

[@TheThing4444]

Gotta get the views while it's hot

[@Clean.Eastwood]

It's the mexican blood in him

[@astrowolvez]

I just saw it for the first time like thirty minutes ago so thought people got quickly mad and he worked insanely fast. 😂

[@originaluseername]

OH MY GOD IT’S 2023 AND WE’RE STILL USING “INSANE”, A TERM ROOTED IN ABLEISM AND STIGMATIZES MENTAL ILLNESSES, AS AN ADJECTIVE TO SLAP ONTO RANDOM BULLSHIT. STOP. JUST PLEASE STOP. FIND A DIFFERENT WORD LIKE “WILD” OR “BANANAS”.

[@gearguts7259]

Honestly if the VA didnt say the spanish shit and the crew just clarified this was a show about Chicanos I feel like the drama would have died down almost instantly as everyone p much goes "Oh is abt chicanos that makes it make more sense".

[@genericname2747]

Or they could just say "yeah we goofed up, sorry"

[@MyShiroyuki]

Maybe this is in part trying to drum up controversy so people watch the show? Although I find that to be only part of the equation. Sheer incompetence is mostly to blame.

[@DDarkestKnight]

Yeah that's the thing about controversy, they don't end instantly people will drag that FOREVER!

[@LoveEatingBricks]

Or if the VA made the slightest effort not to sound like the most smug and unlikeable person ever

[@PeterGriffin11]

@@MyShiroyuki You'd think Disney would've learned by now that controversy doesn't always equal success.

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

Wow, the VA's response was so condescending. Her smugness does her no favors.

[@hedgehogpower194]

What you wouod expect for someone that calls her "own people" nazis

[@seronymus]

Least prideful and insecure childless millennial woman be like

[@PrinceSheogorath]

“Be mad at me all you want” Audience: *is mad* “Surprised pikachu face”

[@beni5616]

I'm a mexican born raised and living in Mexico so I think I can say why people from Latin America are mad. It's very true that Spanish is different across countries and territories but across every LATAM country Oye is still wrongly used in the way the show puts it. I get why it would reflect a Mexican American experience not knowing Spanish, but to many it felt like it was badly translated due to lack of reaserch, since we don't really have the insight about those experiences. That leads to the second point, I think. Latin American people are tired of being represented not as ourselves but as our "American" counterpart. It reminds me of when there was a Latino event on Twitch and Latin American audiences were happy to have Latin American, Spanish speaking content creators featured in the spotlight, only to find out it would be focused on 2nd or 3rd generation American Latinos who speak English. These shows may be made in the US, but they still get distributed, dubbed and showed in Latin America. A lot of us just don't resonate with American "latinidad". Some of us dislike being portrayed as something that to us, feels like a caricature. Chicano and Mexican experiences are just too vastly different now I'm afraid. Things that may be a source of pride to American Latinos may just feel like stereotypes to us, like being the loud fun ones, or being told we live in crammed spaces, we're called things like Nacho (which is true btw! it just feels like a name American people wouldn't know isn't related to the food), being associated with dancing and only one type of music, and even being called Latinos. We all feel Mexican or Peruvian or Chilean, etc., before feeling "Latino". We do have a sense of comaradery but we aren't a monolith. Many of us dislike how one note American Latino stuff feels to us in this regard, and it's all we have. It feels like people over there don't know there are Latinos in. You know, actual Latin America. That being said, I think the hatred is WAY overblown. People over here also love drama and dog piling on the internet as much as in the US, and honestly, even if the people of the show took a "more righteous than you" approach by telling us to shut up cause we speak a colonist language, I think it must be deeply hurtful and scary to have such a vitriolic response to something you based on your own life, especially since I hear a lot that feeling you don't belong is something many immigrant kids deal with from both sides.

[@GotDrivenBeyond]

Next thing they will do is calling us racist and Nazis. ... Wait, they told us Nazis already. Nice.

[@XetXetable]

I don't think there's anyway to win with your complaints. Either they avoid making anything based on Hispanic culture, or they adapt the local version of that culture, or they make shows about a culture they aren't a part of. All three of those options fall into your complaints. Why is it America's job to represent you, especially when you'll complain anyway? What, exactly, do you expect?

[@Gleko79]

De todos los idiomas tenias que hablar basado

[@beni5616]

@@XetXetable I'm not meaning to complain, I'm just voicing what I understand as being my fellow Latin American users opinion on the subject so that English speaking audiences can at least understand, since you won't find many Spanish speaking people in English videos like this. I think both sides need to have empathy is all, especially since the hate FROM Latin Americans has been so violent. It is a difficult subject, and I really don't think there's an easy solution.

[@jr533]

@@XetXetable It's not america's job to represent us, but if you're going to do something based in another country, at least do a good job. Apparently some gringos are too lazy to do that.

[@ProfessorDoctorC]

Between this show ticking off all hispanics and that Netflix Cleopatra being so inaccurate Egypt is suing it, i think American media companies are starting to realize that they can't just portray stereotypes of foreign countries and calling anyone who criticize them ignorant or racist

[@Drakkona123]

tbf we don't actually know for sure what race Cleopatra is, though it was more likely that she was greek, which is STILL poc, so whyyyyyyy did they make her black?

[@neyou6940]

​@@Drakkona123 Greek is not poc

[@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer]

@Drakkona123 @@neyou6940 "poc" is an American concept, no matter what Cleopatra looked liked, she certainly didn't identify as poc.

[@Merry19ss]

​@@Drakkona123 Es Griega hasta los Hispano Americanos,Europeos especialmente los Griegos saben que Cleopatra era Griega que gobernaba Egipto la última Faraona .

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

​@@Drakkona123greek. The ptolemies were the habsburgs of their time and descended from greeks

[@notsocoolguy8492]

"Her experience in LA" Yep that says it all right there.

[@annasilvestre2984]

As a Brazilin, I guess I win the whole “colonizer language” conversation. Portuguese is a colonizer language, but there are grammatical and structural differences between European and Brazilian Portuguese (one is stress-timed, the other is syllable-timed) and they usually have to be dubbed separate because of how distinct they are. And there are influences from native tongues that ended up giving many fora and fauna their names in Brazilian portuguese.

[@N12015]

That being said, european and american spanish are not so different because of origins. Instead of mostly Mulatos/Pardos due to portuguese slaves, it was mostly Mestizos with much less reliance on slaves (My country declared slavery illegal back in 1823, while Brazil took until 1888), so it was easier to integrate spanish early to the regular people than portuguese, and therefore got less modifications.

[@henriquebraga5266]

Brazilian Portuguese isn't exactly syllable-timed; it has mixed characteristics and varies according to speech rate, sex and dialect. At fast speech rates, Brazilian Portuguese is more stress-timed, while in slow speech rates, it can be more syllable-timed. The accents of rural, southern Rio Grande do Sul and the Northeast (especially Bahia) are considered to sound more syllable-timed than the others, while the southeastern dialects such as the mineiro, in central Minas Gerais, the paulistano, of the northern coast and eastern regions of São Paulo, and the fluminense, along Rio de Janeiro, Espírito Santo and eastern Minas Gerais as well the Federal District, are most frequently essentially stress-timed. Also, male speakers of Brazilian Portuguese speak faster than female speakers and speak in a more stress-timed manner.

[@NoHandle44]

The mispronunciation of *"Hey cousins"* could've been made funny if they poked fun at it like they did in Spiderverse. Where Miles says "I like Chai Tea" and the other Spiderman was like, "Did you say CHAI TEA?! CHAI means TEA. you just said 'TEA TEA'! " EDIT: *AYO!?* How did this blow up from 200 likes and 6 comments to 2.5k and 32 comments in just a day?!

[@bombdotcom2168]

That bit made me laugh in theaters

[@nombre4138]

I hope you are right

[@N12015]

​@@bombdotcom2168 I noticed that also in my theater that people laughed at that. The funniest moment was the first attempt of them trying to catch spider-man though.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

According to the creator, that was the point. Taters doesn't speak spanish, which is why she uses "oye" instead of "oigan".

[@NoHandle44]

@@SaiyanGamer95 Yeah, that sucks that they think that pointing out the flaws in their own show somehow excuses the flaws that they made. These people clearly didn't watch She-Hulk, Velma, or the live-action Cowboy Bebop and how not to attack your fans in a tweeter call-out post.

[@kay-jay1581]

Look at the owl house. They did things so much better and they don’t even show Luz speaking super fluently. Luz knows Spanish (it is unclear how fluent she is) but she obviously takes pride because she loves speaking the Spanish she knows. And remembers her saying that her mom taught her. Also Amity and her friends actually started learning some Spanish to connect better with Luz. In fact Vee spend so much time with Camilla She had quite a decent pronunciation of some words. And that was through learning in a dualingo like app. Honestly even though that wasn’t showed in the entire series I was beyond thrilled ! They actually showed none Spanish speaking kids happily trying to learn Spanish. they were having fun and they practice together it was just one scene. I do hope more shows in the future do that. Learning a language shouldn’t be a chore or a ways to be left out. People should take pride in it.

[@wingdingfontbro]

I know this is completely off topic .This gets me thinking about how school makes kids associate fun things like reading and learning languages with stress. English/reading/literacy/whatever class can often feel like you’re needlessly dissecting a book down to the ink and paper. This turns what would be a fun journey into another world into a required task that one has to stress over. This is how it can be shocking to find people who have genuine interest in reading books as many of us associate reading with stress. Throughout my life my Spanish classes were notoriously bad, so much so I chose Latin instead of Spanish for my Highschool years. With so much bad rep I have associated with learning Spanish it comes as a surprise to me how someone can have genuine fun learning the language and sharing it with others. One can liken it to taking a walk through a park or a trail and then be given the task of identifying 10 unique species bugs and plants. Something otherwise fun is turned into something needlessly over complicated. Kids have to work to progress the story of their book and when another tells them to unless they want to work from home writing notes. In Highschool we had books we could choose from the library that we would read when coming into class before things started and we had to write notes on what was going on like character developments, personal “aha” moments, new details, and other stuff. I decided to just not do that and I actually had a fun time reading the book. Did my grades suffer? Yes. Did I have one of the first positive experiences reading a book? Yes.

[@someonepassingby1635]

Same with Amphibia There are multiple episodes that include the frogs experiencing Thai culture and it is genuinely interesting And with Molly Mcgee, they literally have a whole episode about Molly being insecure about not being “Thai” enough Thai isn't represented a lot in Western media so people are thrilled that the creators are able to represent it well So how tf did we end up with Oye Primos???

[@jasperjazzie]

@@someonepassingby1635 if i were to give a reason i think it's because owl house, amphibia and the ghost and molly mcgee were all made with love, they're not really "trying" to be anything, they just do what they do and feel completely earnest in their depictions of different ethnicities meanwhile primos just kind of seems like it wants to fill a niche while not knowing enough about said niche, and it just feels hollow, it's trying to be something it's not

[@HomestarYoshi]

Luz doesn't even speak Dominican Spanish lmfao.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

​@@HomestarYoshiWell she's so disconnected from her culture so it makes sense they gave her a more simplified version

[@RaccoonRevolution]

In Beavis' defense, I've literally never met a Mexican person who didn't like spaghetti

[@stuckonaslide]

ive never met anyone who doesnt like spaghetti ngl.

[@intotheground]

@@stuckonaslide you have now

[@nataliearaujo3095]

​@@intothegrounddo you allow me to hit you?

[@tessathegamefreak]

My grandpa, unfortunately. It's a shame because my siblings and I love it 😢🍝

[@ablm04]

​@@intothegroundshame

[@collinkeyser6827]

That Clip Of Beavis & Butthead Was Way Better Than Whatever The Hell This Show Is.

[@cv7368]

It's weird how Latino representation in media is still nothing but stereotypes. Like, this kind of thing never would've been the light of day of it was about Asian or African families. It's a shame since there honestly isn't a lot of Latin American representation, especially of indigenous people

[@pumpkindreams]

I blame California. If that state could get obliterated already, I'd die happy.

[@2-Way_Intersection]

fr like, except for kinda spiderverse and the gone not forgotten el tigre, its always eother that or *exactly* one or two characters that get it right but arent given nearly enough focus for that to matter (or of the character is, then their heritage def. isnt)

[@armandof6453]

Not only that but it’s embarrassingly condescending, tonedeaf, and patronizing stereotypes that are even worse than the classic cactus and sombreros.

[@danielcesar664]

we had some good ones with spider-verse miguel is a goat and miles mom

[@scottroxford5715]

And that's fine I don't want Disney of all people to try representing us.

[@theskull1030]

Criticizing "oye primos" is not the same as making fun of someone for not speaking perfect Spanish to the point that it prevents them from practicing it. If someone in a casual conversation makes that mistake, it's understandable, and you shouldn't make fun of them. If, however, someone's making an audiovisual product with a relatively high production level for an international market, they should at least bother to look things up.

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

Yup, when they've had like 2 years to supervise it and release it on the best state, it seriously shouldn't have made that big of a mistake. ...Not helping that saying "hey primos!" would have still been perfectly acceptable in spanish looool

[@demagagegigogu]

And that pushes people to care less about learning Spanish. At the end of the day this show is for “Latinos” in America. You can’t just speak it not caring about its structure and say “that’s the way Mexican Americans speak spanish”. There’s not an unified spanish variation spoken in the US. A lot of immigrants descendants speak perfect Spanish and that makes this representation feel just filled up with stereotypes and speak to nobody

[@TreWilder]

A big issue is the crew not shutting the fuck up- If you're making a thing and facing criticism, constructive or otherwise, the worst thing you can do is try to insult or backlash the people giving their opinions. Basically calling the people "racist idiots who don't know what they're talking about" and spouting irrelevant hot takes that unintentionally disrespect the culture you're trying to spotlight, just to feel like you're on a moral high ground of political correctness and therefore immune to criticism, is a good way to make sure they're not gonna support you. Especially if A: The people you're addressing didn't say the show looks bad BECAUSE it's about an underrepresented minority group. And B: The people you're trying to represent are the ones most upset about the portrayal of what's supposed to be them.

[@Doughboy842]

Agreed.

[@sakurashogun]

Another show recently did this exact thing, all while ripping into its fan base. Last I checked LOTR isn't doing so hot right about now as an IP. XD

[@Bread-nx9fo]

I mean I get that they'd be upset by people insulting the thing they made. IE the EGO quote talking about critics.

[@cm9231]

Agreed. Ironically, her demeanour comes off as very elitist and coloniser-like, lol

[@DALKurumiTokisaki]

It's certainly a questionable choice calling for racism when the vast majority of critics are coming from the Native Latin American Countries themselves. It's downright hilarious also that their acting all morally high and mighty when their recording a goddamn response in English from their nice home in LA, California.

[@jorgezarco9269]

The theme song to Disney's Primos is 59 seconds of hell.

[@hola-gy8te]

honestly props to them for being so uninformed and ignorant then proceeding to defend their ignorance. great job guys you’ve done well.

[@justapotato6876]

As a Colombian, I think that just because the spanish language wasn’t invented by us doesn’t mean we get to disrespect it, and that lady is absolutely in the wrong and I find how narcissistic she’s being along with how she’s victimizing herself really damn annoying. Edit: I can barely speak spanish so I can’t understand the replies I feel like such a gringo lol 😂

[@MelvinIhosvanny]

Lo mejor es que dice que a los latino americanos nos impusieron el español jajaja, como si en primer lugar, la condición para ser un latino americano es haber nacido en alguno de los países con una lengua romance en América. Creo que confundió indígenas, con latinos. Gringos al fin y al cabo.

[@moonlxt]

​@@MelvinIhosvannyNo solo eso, ella habla de cómo nosotros no tenemos derecho a opinar sobre nuestro lenguaje por ser un "lenguaje de colonizadores" mientras ella habla en inglés, que literal es el idioma del país que tienen el récord de la mayor cantidad de países colonizados en este mundo, siendo este Inglaterra. En fin, la hipotenusa djksksks

[@ladiascc1934]

Y hablamos español porque casi todos somos mestizos, si los conquistadores no hubiesen ido a latinoamérica, ninguno de nosotros existiéramos, ya que somos el resultado de los españoles e indigenas nativos de cada uno de nuestros paises, por lo tanto el castellano es mi idioma.

[@Cowboycomando54]

Yeah, its another basic white girl trying to act Latino/Hispanic because here last name is.

[@fueyo2229]

En primer lugar, nadie inventó ningún idioma, el español surgió en Castilla del latín hablado influenciado por el vasco. Aparte que aunque sí, los españoles trajeron el español a América, durante el imperio el 90% de la población eran bilingües con lenguas nativas, fueron las repúblicas latinoamericanas nada más independizarse las que empezaron a destruir algunas lenguas nativas (excepto Paraguay, son el único país latinoamericano que sigue siendo bilingüe) esto por influencia de las ideologías de centralismo y nacionalismo de la Ilustración que se aplican hoy en día en Francia, razón por la que los idiomas regionales de Francia no cuentan con ningún reconocimiento o protección y están extinguiéndose.

[@ratchetxtreme6591]

“I play for both sides, and loose each times “ - Pan Pizza (2023)

[@JeffreyThrash]

I found that one statement more relatable as a light-skinned half-Cuban than any “latino” pandering from Hollywood for the last 20 years.

[@danielmunoz1275]

The curse of all sons and daughters of immigrants. Too much from one culture to be considered part of the country they're living now, and too much from new culture as well to be considered part of the country of origin. I actually do not like that concept for my children, if I get to have them, because I grew up in Mexico and migrated to the US.

[@JeffreyThrash]

@@danielmunoz1275 Pan's summary shows this could be an extremely fascinating topic for animated shows and movies to explore, but so far this Primos show seems to have reduced the concept to some rip-off of Los Casagrandes and Encanto. I think Elemental is also based on the director's personal experience emigrating to New York, but he's the same director that made Good Dinosaur, so I'm not optimistic it will make me feel ANYTHING when my Disney-addicted parents inevitably make me watch it in theaters against my will. For now, An American Tale is a decent and general exploration of what it is like immigrating to the United States, at least for first-generation immigrants.

[@P-P-Panda]

Even tho I’m not Mexican im mix too and it can be rough

[@thesquattingfella8972]

as my professor once said, you can be the greatest artist in the room but if you don't have the speaking skills/the charisma to pitch that wonderful idea then what will end up happening is that the people with the charisma, but bad ideas will take over. that lady is a prime example.

[@markedfang]

"We're trying to make a good show for kids" is always such a great excuse to justify any number of negligent behaviors. I love it. /s I don't much care for whatever this show is but that attitude disgusts me.

[@gabriellemeche992]

Same. I'm not going to say anything about the culture but how the criticism was handled was bad. The fact that it was just, yeah, it's a kid's show so... Is very bad. Kids shows can and should be done right because lot of people do learn about other cultures at first from them. Gravity Falls, Phineas And Ferb, Amphibia and Owl House were great shows and I'm not saying it should be story based but the justification of, yeah, it's a kid's show is lazy to me.

[@SluggedNugg]

It also comes off as disingenuous, ignoring the complaints by inferring that anyone who opposes her plainly wants to stop them from making a kids show. Combined with her narcissistic tone, she might not be a people person.

[@Penbin123]

It can't be helped, the West doesn't respect kids.

[@Ninjaananas]

I struggle to see her actually trying.

[@sabwo2976]

as a Mexican im not so mad that they used incorrect Spanish, if they went "oh yeah man honest mistake" that would have been fine, but their arrogant answers are upsetting

[@bodhidaruma2824]

Yo, do mexicans really say "oigan" though? It sounds cumbersome. In Brazilian Portuguese we often use interjections like that in singular form, even though it's not grammatically correct.

[@sabwo2976]

@@bodhidaruma2824 well we do say it, when I heated “oye” I noticed that it did not sound right, but it is interesting the way slang works in Portuguese though!

[@RiceStranger]

​@@bodhidaruma2824not a Mexican, but I'm an Argentinian (which is closer to Brazil than Mexico) and we don't tend to say "oigan", much less "oye". In plural I think the most common thing is the interjection "che", maybe along with some "escuchen" (hear, conjugated to plural second person)

[@PumaArg]

Hermano esta serie es un CRIMEN DE GUERRA 😭 Encima el chico del video dice "I happen to look white". BRO PERO HAY UN MONTÓN DE MEXICANOS BLANCOS TAMBIÉN. No sé porqué estos gringos tienen una obsesión con negarnos a los hispanos que también somos blancos, si tuviera que decir mi teoría, termino cancelada jajajaja. ME EXASPERAN

[@PumaArg]

@@RiceStranger ¡Ehhh hola compa! Siempre es gracioso cuando me encuentro con otro argentino viendo contenido en inglés JAJAJA

[@V2_maquina_suprema]

The original place was called "terremoto (earthquake) heights That's like calling japan *flood center* or smth like that

[@lordgreed1]

I hope it gets popular enough so they could eventually make a sequel and call it "oye putas!"

[@angelvargas6190]

As a beaner, I approve that idea. Lol 🤣

[@miiirky1904]

XD oye zi

[@maryvampiregirl666]

@@miiirky1904 *Dios te oiga XDD*

[@Ekraelum]

Ojalá

[@ironmaster6496]

​@@miiirky1904 😂😂😂 buenísima