Rebutting Genesis Apologetics = 1st of 7 Alleged Myths

[@AronRa]

The video I was rebutting included a scene from some awful Jesus movie. Consequently, it was immediately hit with a copyright claim. So I removed that scene and some (but not all) of the commentary relating to that. So there will be moments when I seem to replying to something nobody said.

[@coreyfaller2500]

That sounds like me every day.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Obviously hearing voices in your head.

[@Uridien]

I would've assumed you were speaking to the Holy Spirit.

[@ShallowCreation911]

Human evolution is refutable!

[@inyobill]

... or, perhaps you were expecting respect from this crew? It makes my day to see a new @AronRa vid and know Jesusists will be getting handed their hats.

[@Akira625]

You know, if the Christian God would stop playing the "mysterious ways" game and just freakin' *show up*, as well as maintain a clear line of communication with people, there wouldn't be this cottage industry of apologetics at all.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

I would say that if any god existed and did what you said, there wouldn’t be a need for religion because we’d all be endowed with the truth.

[@Akira625]

@@dr.floridamanphd Exactly. No need for religions, or any of their sacred texts, clergy, and prophets.

[@inyobill]

Jim Jeffries had some cogent remarks regarding that whole "Mysterious workings" business.

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

He can't show up no man see god and live

[@Stratosarge]

​@@marcellofunhouse1234 True. Zeus killed his pregnant lover that way by showing his true self, so he had to sew the fetus into his thigh, which eventually grew out to become Dionysus.

[@neddreadmaynard]

"He's NOT the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!" Monty Python, The Life of Brian.

[@sh33pboi]

Regarding the garden of eden as a trap, I think it's actually worse than that if you consider why someone might want to eat the fruit. An evil person wouldn't care if they're being good or evil so they can't be eating it to learn how to be more evil. The only way the story makes sense is if they wanted to be good people and god punished them for trying to be good instead of trying to be obedient. We see a similar anti-moral in the tower of babel where god punishes cooperation.

[@AronRa]

Exactly, yes.

[@simongiles9749]

In both cases God is scared of competition.

[@sh33pboi]

@@jimmy.r.minnelli I think that's a good interpretation. Taking it as an allegory solves a lot of the problems that crop up when Christians insist it's literal. Unfortunately, the kind of Christian I used to be and the kind Aron tends to deal with would have just as many issues with the phrase 'hominid evolution' as the idea that god tricked us.

[@wilmagerrits9745]

Spot on!

[@WokeandProud]

@@jimmy.r.minnelli Sounds like idiotic mental gymnastics but then you're a reactionary rightwing facist so no surprise here...

[@destinedtofail6518]

Growing up I was always taught that the Bible was the perfect and holy word spoken directly by God through those who wrote it. It made me wonder why the Bible needed so many apologists defending and reinterpreting it. It may be cliché, but it turns out that the best way to stop believing in the Bible is to actually sit down and read it.

[@RaulPerez-jj5jj]

Thats how it happened for me. I decided to read it fully front to back to be a better bible defender. The thing was like a switch. I literally dropped it and backed up with distrust and a bent up face like a movie scene. Looking at it like a friend who backst*bbed me, I kept reading more... bam... Atheist!

[@MrCanis4]

And listen to the people who defend that book.

[@YokaiX]

That does have a high success rate. But even then it's not a guarantee. There are people who read the whole thing and still believe in it and defend it. Pretty scary to imagine what their thought process and mentality are like...

[@TorianTammas]

@Destined To Fail - I totally agree with you. If the bible would have one "author" then we would not have more than 25 gospels and some unknown person picking four of them for their collection. We still end up with still 5 different versions of Jesus in one book. It is from the standpoint of proper writing one of the worst story collections ever made. Not to mention that editing took place and we have still Today various collections in various churches.

[@dethspud]

"You literally unravel the scripture when you deny its inerrancy" He says that like it's a bad thing. Weird, right?

[@KianaWolf]

Yeah, that translates to, "If you don't assume it's true, there's no evidence that it's true." This is precisely why it shouldn't be assumed to be true.

[@robertmiller9735]

What, do people actually tear up pages of the book?

[@sniperwolf50]

I happen to agree with that statement, but fail to see how that's my problem

[@tallman2210]

Crazy how falsehoods fall apart in the absence of confirmation bias.

[@AnarquiaCookbook]

All good, logical arguments start at the conclusion and work backwards. Right?

[@leamsol5615]

The guy talking in the genesis apologetics sounds like someone who would be doing a top 10 list

[@dethspud]

I used to say "bronze age myths" but now I use "iron age myth" to be more correct.

[@davidwright7193]

No it’s Bronze Age or even Neolithic in origin. The first collation of this particular grouping of myths about one god of a larger pantheon was compiled in the early Iron Age.

[@dethspud]

@@davidwright7193 Well, yeah especially in the sense that the Noah myth was ripped off from Gilgamesh story which was likely an iteration of an even earlier myth but ya gotta put a pin in somewhere. I've always considered Noah story to be a Micheal Bay "reimagining" of an earlier story where everything is made bigger in order to be "better" replete with copious amounts of lens flare.

[@nicolasandre9886]

"Our mission is to reveal god's truth (...)" This bit alone is enough for me to discredit anything that follows. What lousy god would need humans to reveal knowledge he could reveal himself effortlessly? Anything a human reveals to me is not 'god's truth', only a statement that said human _claims_ to be god's truth.

[@sgloobals335]

God needs humans or he allows humans? How do you know anything a human reveals isn't gods truth? How could you possibly defend such an assertion

[@nicolasandre9886]

@@sgloobals335 "How do you know anything a human reveals isn't gods truth?" That's a good question, and the very core of the problem. Since humans have been making mutually exclusive claims about god and godS for millenia now, it seems dubious that if a loving and all powerful god existed, he would leave us oppress of wage wars against each other over doubts about him without taking the time to explain everyone what he expects from us to stop these unending arguments once and for all. In the meantine, until someone gives me a good method to determine the truth about divinely inspired claims, the mere existence of mutually exclusive claims about god (even from various denominations from one religion) really tells me I should not believe them. And so far, no one has been able to give such a method that does not eventually rely on personal experience, or that requires to voluntarily embrace a confirmation bias before starting to search for reasons to confirm belief, instead of trying to find out what is true or not.

[@sgloobals335]

@@nicolasandre9886 He did take the time to explain what he wants from us its called the bible. Unfortunately many humans use their free will to reject the authority of God. Are you an atheist?

[@nicolasandre9886]

@@sgloobals335 : no, god did not explain anything in the bible. At best, he could have explained things to prophets, who then wrote down some of it. Which needed to be translated. Many times. And has been altered, by translations, but also possibly by people who wanted to modify the text to better suit their own needs. We can't have access to the original text. One thing we cannot do for instance is to ask god direct questions and get straight answers from god directly. We could both pray and ask him if homosexuality is actually immoral or not for instance, I don't know about you, but I'm willing to bet I won't get any answer at all, and you may just reply to me 'just read the bible, you already have the answer'. And yes I am an atheist.

[@sgloobals335]

@@nicolasandre9886 Yes it needed to be translated but the evidence we have such as the dead sea scrolls demonstrates the accuracy and care that these scribes did in translating these texts throughout the centuries. If your gonna claim that a text isn't accurate because it was translated numerous times then your gonna have yourself a huge problem in regards to many accepted history. Sir prayer is talking to god directly and he listens to prayers of those earnestly seeking him. Since your an atheist can you tell me if there's anything you know that you cannot be wrong about?

[@chrisose]

The first sign of a con is that those perpetrating it demand that you not question anything about it. What we can learn from the Bible is that the people who wrote it were ignorant of reality and barbaric in their handling of almost every situation.

[@rogerweigel7925]

Sounds like Covid and global warming.

[@chrisose]

@@rogerweigel7925 The battle cry of the scientifically illiterate and willfully ignorant.

[@horustrismegistus1017]

@@rogerweigel7925 Literally came here to say just that lol. That and Biden's election/Katie Hobbs

[@horustrismegistus1017]

There were many things they knew well before when they should've The water cycle The line that divides oceans from seas How to kill mold Etc But there were also instances of stupidity, like how to cure leprosy.

[@rogerweigel7925]

@@horustrismegistus1017 And diet/nutrition.

[@MilwaukeeAtheists]

Thanks for having me, Aron! Much Appreciated

[@Truthseekr7]

Ultimately, I first began to question my faith because of science / evolution. But when I tried to be honest about what the Bible said the Christians around me became so alarmed it created the fundamental skepticism that ended my faith. Thanks Aaron you were one of the final nails in the coffin of faith years ago. My life of freedom full of peace and joy. Thanks again.

[@dethspud]

Really enjoying Aron's series debunking Creationist propaganda. So many lies require a coherent response and Aron Ra never disappoints. Keep on keeping on, sir.

[@theworldasweknowit2981]

Creationists- “it’s a sin to lie!!!” Also creationists- constantly lying through their teeth to deceive people

[@freddan6fly]

@@theworldasweknowit2981 But that is OK since it is lyingforjesus™

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@theworldasweknowit2981 we know you're not lying! 🤣

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

Wow, first episode into this new series and it’s already more than an hour long? That is insane, but also exciting. Can’t wait to see how the rest of the series turns out.

[@slevinchannel7589]

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[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@slevinchannel7589 I do see rationality rules, great channel, but gets a little stale sometimes

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 True. Thats why its important to have many Channel.

[@steveharrison3007]

I have a feeling that God will not win this one either.

[@kellywalker1664]

Algorithm Gods' creed. The longer, the more ads.

[@andybeans5790]

You're one of the few creators whose videos I pre-like as soon as they start, guaranteed rationality 💯

[@inyobill]

I click the Thumb-Up as soon as the vid loads. My experience with this content creator is that consistent.

[@exoplanet11]

Guess we all have faith in this (content) creator.

[@johnmorris7815]

As an airline pilot I would like to point out the horrible error in the “answers” text, we don’t just ground a plane because of a tiny fault or a feeling, we have a manufacturer approved Minimum Equipment List (MEL), if it’s in the book we can take the defect, some items will require other systems to be functional therefore some multiple defects while allowable on there own are not acceptable if combined. Excellent work btw.

[@dethspud]

Ah, the classic "number of manuscripts" argument. A metric chosen because of Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire as it expanded across Europe creating monasteries that did nothing but make hand made copies for centuries.

[@danielgautreau161]

"Copies" with added and deleted parts. For example, someone in the 4th century looked at a paper and said "I think Mark wrote this," and made a copy with "This is the gospel of Mark" added at its start.

[@steveharrison3007]

Not to mention the destruction of other texts.

[@alisaurus4224]

Furthermore, “manuscript” doesn’t mean “book”. It means a piece of hand-written text, of any size. Most of the early manuscripts are fragments half a page or less, just long enough to identify the source.

[@dethspud]

I once thought of getting a tattoo of the the Leviticus passage that says not to get a tattoo. Yes, cos irony is fun. ^_^ But then I sobered up. >.

[@lnsflare1]

Get it as a tramp stamp.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

It would’ve been funnier if you got it in Hebrew

[@markshort9098]

Ezekiel 20:23 would be better

[@inyobill]

You guys crack me up. Comments like these bring me back again and again. Greetings from a Californian living in Germany.

[@stylis666]

And stupidly enough, among the christians only the most fundamentalist christians would even know it's ironic and they'd just assume the blessings wore off and you got possessed by a demon, so I'm glad you didn't do it :) It's a hell of a job to explain scriptures and teach basic critical thinking skills to ~200M Americans alone.

[@mitchmills2681]

as a former mad man I appreciate the work you do. It's bonkers it took 30 years to finally snap out of that delusion. keep killing it Sir!

[@almejri]

I totally agree with Lorence; it's always annoyed me for years whenever people call the Bible "Bronze Age myths" when it's mostly from the Iron Age.

[@ZyrusSmith]

Aron constantly calls the bible Bronze Age.

[@krankarvolund7771]

I must say, Answers in Gensis knows they're not going to have many students watching XD Kids: Big Wave Dave who although condescending tried to be funny. High-school: Two bad actors trying to play a scenario, it's not much but they tried. Collge students: Atificial voice talking over stock footage. Yeah!

[@alexalbuquerquerodriguesal108]

I sincerely doubt It effectiveness. Perhaps only people that aren't towards natural sciences, like me, for example, that It's on economics but even I've a better grasp of the theory than the average YEC or evolution deniar (not much to brag really, a average high school student would probably know that much better than any YEC). But that tells us more about Genesis apologetics than about me: It only goes after people that aren't related to the science than people that are, making the whole effort futile since people from other areas won'tmake much of a difference.

[@inyobill]

@@alexalbuquerquerodriguesal108 Consider that they're preaching to an audience groomed to receive the message.

[@exaucemayunga22]

I just realized that God never apologized to anyone in the Bible. A loving father would apologize to their children after hurting them. God says "I'll hurt you more if you don't love me"

[@grapeshot]

Genesis had at least two human authors. No invisible sky wizard required to make up fairy tales and myths.

[@lnsflare1]

It also had at least 6 Sonic the Hedgehog games.

[@grapeshot]

@@lnsflare1 yeah and I remember Afterburn.

[@CanyoneroTimbo]

@@grapeshot afterburn was in revelations not genesis. you're welcome

[@grapeshot]

@@CanyoneroTimbo Afterburner 2 was Sega Genesis. So no thank you.

[@grapeshot]

@@CanyoneroTimbo so I forgot to put the suffix on it but it was Sega Genesis.

[@DJCrisisUK]

just finished work and I never thought I'd be saying these words, but, I'm about to enjoy AronRa in the bath 😂😂😂 an extra long episode so quickly......you've made my evening 🙌🏾

[@jujuanferrara8611]

We love you AronRa!

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Being so binary about belief is what made me an atheist. I absolutely agree with GA that one part of the bible being wrong calls into question the rest of it. When I realized the flood couldn't be true, I realized none of it was.

[@TorianTammas]

Well the flood is a nice story that we find in Sumerian and Akkadian texts thousands of years before anyone ever wrote anything about some tribal mountain god. We can see where they copied from these older texts to make up their story.

[@lizd2943]

The whole thing is an argument from consequences fallacy. My interpretation of the Bible must be right because I don't want it to be wrong.

[@istvansipos9940]

"and because magic. What I refuse to call magic. And what I absolutely refuse from other deities, because magic ain't real"

[@scottsmith2235]

Preaching is get people to believe; apologetics is to force them to keep believing.

[@RichWoods23]

I would say 'to give them an excuse' rather than 'to force them'.

[@scottsmith2235]

@@RichWoods23 I can see that--but so often, it seems like apologetics is more for the believers than the atheists.

[@RichWoods23]

@@scottsmith2235 Can't have the sheep straying. They've got to be kept safe for the sake of their immortal wallets, er, souls. It's for their own good and they'll be thankful in the end.

[@scottsmith2235]

@@RichWoods23 That’s right-because sheep are dumb. 😆

[@theworldasweknowit2981]

Creationists sure like to create nonsense. They defend nonsense with nonsense. As an ex creationist, thank you Aron for exposing them on their bullshit.

[@alanmacification]

OMG, an ad just pop up for a three day web course on how to be a " Christian Influence " like Joel Osteen.

[@DataDr0id]

Wow, that intro with the narration overlaid on other footage was so funny I nearly choked on my lunch!

[@TheTheologian-pk2wc]

"Wherein god comes out looking like a horrific and an idiotic monster" Sounds like the devil in the historical garden of Eden whispering abominations about God.

[@dethspud]

Got to love it when people who follow a man who spoke in parables insist that the Bible must be understood literally.

[@slevinchannel7589]

FELLOW Atheists, check out Holy Koolaid, Rationality Rules and Hbomberguy, some of the chillest, most grounded Atheists who combine Fun with the Serioues Stuff.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@slevinchannel7589 ya , keep drinking that unholy Koolaid people: conformation bias to the maximum!

[@davidjanbaz7728]

All Christians don't believe in the fundamentalists hyper-literalist interpretations that Aron Ra believes is what the Bible says ! That's why he only ingages these low hanging fruit fundamentalists that believe in the SDA Helen G. White dream interpretations from the 19th century that influenced fundamentalists , Mormons: Aron Ra is ex Mormon. And mostly some American Protestants denominations . Roman Catholics and The Orthodox don't have these hyper literalist interpretations of the OT or Bishop Usher's counting up the years to a 6,000 year old Earth. Hugh Ross astrophysicist has debated Ham and Hovind and shone that their hyper-literal interpretations are not what the Bible states in Genesis 1-11. From a Christian perspective of Old Earth Creationism and his science background. Dr.Michael S.Heiser an O.T scholar also has this same view just from the Biblical text itself and explains why in his KZbin videos. IF you're interested?

[@TheDeath138]

It's only to be taken literally sometimes. Other times they will say that you aren't supposed to take it literally. Whatever their argument requires at a given time.

[@margaretbarrett6087]

@@TheDeath138 Especially the passages where Jesus urges his followers to give all they possess to the poor. It seems the words of Jesus are only to be taken literally when they do not cause personal inconvenience.

[@jmcburney658]

Your voice spooked my dog, he was looking for you in the house. "It's just my phone!"

[@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout]

The South Park episode "All About Mormons" is a pretty good representation of what Mormons believe about the "golden plates".

[@inyobill]

Sam Clemens wrote a scathing analysis about the origins of the LDS.

[@basicmountaingriff]

"I like to reach out to somebody who is more of an expert on me," Even after the build-up explaining that the person had "studied" the subject, I really thought for all the world the next clip was going to be an 'expert' on Star Wars explaining Star Wars I thought for all the world this was going to be an absolutely killer misdirection joke that the person had studied religion for a while, then gone to college and studied hard on more meaningful things.... and most of all studied every Star Wars movie.

[@johnnehrich9601]

I have become a "Young Bible Creationist," i.e., the idea that the Elephantine Papyri, a collection of a century of correspondence between a Jewish sect in Egypt and the temple in Jerusalem, show that at that time (c. 500-400 BC), there was no evidence of either group knowing anything from the Torah (the first five books of the bible). Russell Gmirkin postulates that the Torah was made up and written in Hebrew and then translated in Greek (the Septuagint) c. 270 BC. Since it was composed later than many Greek and other pagan myths, which many of the stories so closely resemble, the writers of the Torah "borrowed" from them, and not the other way around.

[@childs4remodel]

Thanks! Aron, liking new streams, any “why do you believe” streams coming up

[@mighty4371]

May Odin bless you with the bears strength and when you die may Valkyrie take your spirit to Valhalla Aronra. Your noble pursuit of truth are both honourable and inspirational. You will always be welcome in my mead hall sir.

[@a.nhonig3311]

Such a great discussion. The sad part is that you're probably preaching to the chioir. If religious people won't even read their bible I wonder how long they'll listen to this. Great work, looking forward to the rest of the series!

[@RexCalliber]

Knowing all the harm that has come from this religion & those that spawned from it, it would make MUCH more sense that Satan raised Christ from the dead. It would make the sacrifice more valid too. As the story stands he just had a really bad weekend & then it was nullified, that’s not much of a sacrifice. I mean, as god he might not even feel pain so even the bad weekend could be overblown. No wonder the church kept this book to themselves, only doling it out in installments for tithe. If people had a good translation a thousand years ago it would probably be gone by now. Thanks

[@KianaWolf]

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." - Isaac Asimov

[@AECRADIO1]

I AM SO HAPPY THAT THE BORG HAVE BEEN DECIMATED, AND THE QUEEN NO LONGER STANDS IN CONTROL. GOD SURELY CAUSED EVIL TO WITHER, AND THE GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS TO PROSPER, WITH THE HELP OF SPECIES 8472 FROM FLUIDIC SPACE. NOW, GOD MUST UNITE THE ROMULANS AND VULCANS AS A MONOTHEISTIC CLAN AND DUMP THE SELF LOATHING AND INSECURITIES THEY HARBOR FOR EACH OTHER. LIVE LONG AND PROSPER, ARON!

[@Jukume]

Noobody will adress that Lorences cosplay of Aron Ra is on point?

[@Cat_Woods]

What's bizarre is he says sentences that word for word speak to the truth of the matter. Like "If these core events are not true, how can we trust the theology behind them?" Exactly. You can't. If you're going to have a theology, you have to arrive at it from principles you and others find to be good. Claiming your book of mythology has no errors, especially when it has so many provable errors, is not going to arrive at anything anyone can trust. That's obvious from the question itself, yet they ask it. I'm astonished this could work even with diehard believers. Didn't you hear that? He's saying the only reason you have to pretend that the Bible has no errors is because if you don't, you can't claim that your theology is incontrovertible. That's putting the cart before the horse. The Bible has errors. Your theology is not a given. You have to justify your theology on the grounds of actually leading to outcomes we can recognize as good according to principles that apply evenhandedly to everyone. His argument could be applied to any myth and any book. "These ideas based on these stories wouldn't necessarily be true if these stories aren't true; therefore these stories must have really happened." You wouldn't accept it for anybody else's stories, so you can't demand it for yours. We can examine these stories and find that they fit all the features of myth and fiction with very few features in common with history, even ancient history, and which contradict what is actually discovered by historical fields (paleontology, archeology, etc.). I'm just stunned that this kind of question can actually help get Christians to double down on inerrancy instead of re-examining the foundation of their beliefs. Then again, maybe it does make sense: as Aron points out, the theology is nonsensical, wrong and harmful. What else can they do but this Hail Mary pass of pretending they have special authority from obvious mythology?

[@TorianTammas]

Theology is comparable to the study or Fairy law or Big foot mythology.

[@garethmaccoll4374]

Haha, I grew up Christian, my grampa was a Presbyterian minister and I remember my granny telling me that Luke was Mary's physician :D

[@lnsflare1]

"[I]f I'm remembering correctly, I think it was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas that was written in the... maybe in the first or the... early Second? I don't remember that right, so don't quote me on that." You're not the boss of me.

[@FlyinZX10R]

If the flood story was true, how did all the freshwater fish survive in salt water?

[@WokeandProud]

They wouldn't and that's not even the worst thing wrong with the flood myth.

[@ZyrusSmith]

Maybe due to God's magic. He could have invoked his powers to circumvent physics.

[@carolynjohnson6213]

Re the apostle martyrs: Paulogia has quite a few videos about this. In short, taking only those letters of Paul scholars consider authentic, there are only 2 apostles, Peter and John, then there is James the brother of Jesus. None of the other apostles are ever mentioned, they left no writings. The only ones actually killed for their belief in Jesus were Peter and Paul. James was killed for political reasons. The supposed actions and deaths of the other apostles comes solely from Church legend. I also want to mention how much I am enjoying these videos!

[@mattm8870]

The they wouldn't have died for a lie argument is really poor one. After all what better way to try and convince someone that your religion is in fact true that appear to be willing to die for it and if it works well they no longer have reason to sentence you to death.

[@ph_ballanced5972]

Is Lorence wearing an "The Inner Circle" shirt? I feel better about my wide array of my interests. LoL

[@BoneySkylord]

51:46. Spot on. When you go through the process of waking up and understanding what religion actually is it seems really weird that there are adults who still think that it is real.

[@inyobill]

I come for the videos, stay for the comments.

[@blackice9088]

"Because it's true, both theologically and historically" Me: Excuse me while I roll on the floor laughing hysterically!

[@clemstevenson]

You can smell the circular logic. Anyone can fabricate, or wilfully distort, a written account. This deception works best when there is nobody around to contradict the claims by revealing superior evidence. I have no problem with the idea that the story of Jesus Christ was loosely based upon someone who was otherwise unidentified, but the written assertions are undoubtedly a gross distortion.

[@xINVISIGOTHx]

20:38 if there's a bunch of "holy text" that's "real", why would you not want to accept all of it?

[@patnewbie2177]

Excellent video, good guest speaker. Love how he was hitting the pipe halfway through lol.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

5:04 For a lot of reasons but if I had to say it in a word, fear. Not just of hell or oblivion but what will my friends and family say? Their identity is connected to their belief and human cognition is biased in the direction of traditional beliefs passed from parent to child. Authority bias. Conformity bias. Belief perseverance. etc.

[@aprylvanryn5898]

I don't like bronze age myths either. It was created in the Stone age and written in the iron age but bronze gets the point across

[@lightningfirst689]

34:17 "Who would die for a resurrection that never happened?" What, you don't think people would die for something unless it was real? You think Christianity is the only religion for which people martyr themselves? It's amazing how little effort is required to debunk some religious arguments.

[@craig3226]

Who cares that real places are mentioned in the Bible? New York is a real place. That doesn’t mean Spider-Man really fought the Green Goblin on the Brooklyn Bridge. Just because a story book says something doesn’t make it true.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

They actually fought in the Lincoln Tunnel but that was too cramped to film in.

[@KT37915A]

As always sharp as a tack. Thanks for the video, Aron. Again, the best of the best. Btw, I love the Star Wars reference. That was the best.

[@richardwilliams473]

Just reading the Bible turned me into an atheist. I mean a TALKING SNAKE in the Garden of Eden???

[@kookamunga2458]

I was thinking maybe there were hallucinogenic psychedelic plants and someone in the garden ate them . There is hallucinogenic honey in the Middle East.

[@inyobill]

same.

[@TheDeath138]

It was pretty much the same for me, except that my faith was already slipping, so I read it front to back to see if it made sense to me. Needless to say it didn't, so I read several other texts as well only to find that they all have one very important thing in common. They are all full of shit and are in direct conflict with known science. That's how I became an atheist at 15.

[@drlegendre]

Really need to FIX THE AUDIO guys. Not only is Aron constantly shifting up & down, but the audio level on the external video is poorly matched. Isn't there a simple feature in your software to normalize audio levels?

[@MrWylis]

It's such a load of old tat! Thank Darwin there's folks like yourselves who can show some of the previously credulous folks the truth of the matter.

[@ShallowCreation911]

Darwin was racist but most importantly... Incorrect!

[@joshuagies4900]

Seems appropriate that the first clip appears to be of a used car salesman.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

I’m supposed to be packing to move. It can wait for this video though

[@inyobill]

Best wishes for you in your new digs.

[@HereticalKitsune]

I always wonder why the the bible fans never want to bring back slavery, at least not in public, despite the Old Testament having a LOT of rules about slaves...

[@donaldcook2484]

Lorence is so intelligent and knowledgeable about a lot of things. Aron your an inspiration to reality!!! 👍

[@ahad2k11]

Where do I find his channel?

[@ZyrusSmith]

@@ahad2k11 Don't bother. He only posts 3 or 4 videos per year.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

They always end up dipping into pure solipsism, don't they?

[@Soapy-chan_old]

1 and a half hours? How do I deserve this delicious treat?

[@thephantomeagle2]

I’m reminded of a French phrase. Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi!!!

[@TheLodjur]

"There are locations and historical facts in the Bible that's affirmed to be correct, therefore everything in the Bible is true!" There where evacuation of children from London during World War II, a real historical occurrence, does that mean that everything in Narnia is true as well?

[@FlyingSpaghettiJesus]

@@jimmy.r.minnelli Easy, scroll through the comment section of AxP or even on Arons videos and see for yourself.

[@FlyingSpaghettiJesus]

@@jimmy.r.minnelli It’s more of a generalisation than a quote Fam.

[@wanderingsouljournal]

"I don't care! It's a mail an! Shut up!" Damn that is so real 🤣

[@davidwright7193]

So they started this by posing as a dodgy used car salesman and it goes down hill from there in terms of reliability and trustworthiness.

[@AeonAxisProductions]

"What was I gonna say? SHUTUP" idk why but that was just way too funny to me, I shouldn't have laughed so hard at that lol

[@douglasrasmussen480]

No matter the amount of reason, evidence and indisputable debunking of Christian apologists they and their followers will be back with the same claims and arguments supposedly wrapped in "new evidence...." By the way, has anyone ever noticed the number of Christian apologist videos with Comments Turned Off? I do not recall seeing any atheist sites with the same.

[@flashkraft]

1:06 God never hands down a completed work. He is as bad as G R R Martin.

[@ethanstiles948]

Always a must click when a notification for a new AronRa video appears!

[@EvilSecondTwin]

9:55 - 58. ALWAYS makes me laugh when Aron makes these faces😂😂😂

[@nagranoth_]

"Jesus also confirmed..." Nope. Your book says that your book is right...

[@qwertydog9795]

46:03 wtf that's the largest vape I've ever seen

[@matthewharrison6345]

I can’t help but agree with him though. Obviously not with anything about historical accuracy. But surely as a Christian you either believe in all of it or none of it? How can you say certain stories or commandments are real and accurate and others are just metaphor? It’s now okay to eat shellfish and be a millionaire according to these televangelists but still wrong to be gay? Where do you draw the line? Obviously I am an advocate of the nothing side of the all or nothing dichotomy, but it is interesting how almost every Christian picks what they’d like to believe

[@the-trustees]

How can even the zealots argue biblical inerrancy when, forgetting ALL the possibly ambiguous contradictions, you have gospels that disagree, in plain text, on jeebus' birthplace, years when Herod was king, how many people were at the tomb, and many more. If they had even the tiniest bit of common sense, they'd admit to the ones that are CLEARLY inarguable and claim that all the REST, that doesn't contradict (at least internally) is the inerrant truth. But they ALWAYS make the choices that are not in their best interests... like clockwork.

[@AECRADIO1]

A CLOCKWORK ORANGE?

[@the-trustees]

@@AECRADIO1 They make Malcolm McDowell look like an angel in comparison... 😪

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Let's see: nobody saw Creation other than God, and nobody saw Jesus rise from the dead, except God. I got it now, and I realize that's why Joseph Smith got away with his scam.

[@fepeerreview3150]

1:7:40 "What gives us the right to pick and choose which parts we want to believe..." I agree with the speaker here and this is precisely why I am not a Christian. There is conclusive physical evidence that many things described in the Bible (Noah's Ark for example) have no basis in fact at all, and are often physical impossibilities. I'm not hypocritical enough to think that I can cherry pick through a book that purports to be inerrant. And besides, why bother?

[@puppyash9656]

If we are to take the Exodus story at face value, I have a theory that I would like t expand on at some point, called "New God. Who 'dis?" Prior to Moses, all the patriarchs struck deals with their God, and getting blessed right, left and center. They were also allowed alot of liberty whne choosing their enemies. When choosing Moses as their liason with God, the Hebrews got the short end of a striped stick. Suddenly there were no more blessings. Instead they got a ridiculous set of rules, a God demanding sacrifice for just about anything, and a priesthood so flamboyant they could have toured Vegas with it. Fitting it all takes place in the desert, huh? And now they didn't get to choose their enemy. Instead they had to charge and kill at the drop of a wizards hat, for whatever sexual conduct God was upset about in the next villlage over. This God also failed to provide for them, food was scarce water nearly non-existent, they were living in a desert and all their livestock had to be burnt to produce an "aroma pleasing to the Lord". Yeah, I think the Israelites dropped the celestial ball on this one....

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Kind of like Homer's remarked to Apu, 'When they were handing out religions, you must have been taking a whiz.'

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Love your reactions to the "prophecies". Great editing choice!

[@peterbrazier7107]

Mel Gibson's Braveheart got the date of King Edward I death wrong, he died 2 years after William Wallace was hung drawn and quatered, in the county of Cumberland, Wallace was executed in London.

[@andybrace9225]

Plus Isabella of France was 12 when she married the future Edward II in 1308 which was two years and five months after Wallace was executed.

[@peterbrazier7107]

Wallace is only famous because he won one battle Stirling Bridge, and Edward wasn't at that one.

[@inyobill]

The movie was intended as a Gibson vehicle, any resemblance to Scottish history is coincidence.

[@cullenarthur8879]

@@inyobill yeah, i often think of that movie as Gibsons "scottish warrior jesus in a kilt" movie. If you think about it, it was Gibsons first attempt to do Passion of the Christ, but using the general story of William Wallace as a way to tell it. Wallace had his apostles (his friends who followed him). He was betrayed by a judas figure who was his supposed friend (Robert the Bruce). He was tortured and martyred in front of a hostile crowd. It really is Gibsons first attempt at Passion of the Christ, but just using the general story of Wallace.

[@alecbruyns4490]

The present Bible was editted for very political purposes.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

The opening scene is from Used Cars... did these apologists actually SEE that movie? If they see themselves as used car salesmen... especially with the opening scene where he changes the odometer on a car to all zeros. At least with a used car you get something useful.

[@RichWoods23]

...briefly.

[@anarchistdragon]

Thank you for helping folks be able to deconstruct things easier. It's hard to give up the warm fuzzies of a superior diety for a lack of a better word but I definitely don't believe in any religion on this planet.

[@inyobill]

If your god is inerrant, and the Bible is the instrument to demonstrate it, we can dismiss premise 1.

[@davidwatson2399]

Thank you Aron from Straya.👍

[@DarioCastagno]

Straightforward, rational and gets to the point in a clip. I'm a huge Aron Ra fan.

[@samuelschick8813]

Interesting Genesis Apologetics never mention there are over 50 different versions of the Bible and over 40,000 sects of Christianity. Not all of them can be right but all of them can be wrong.

[@markvonwisco7369]

Link to Lorence's channel: kzbin.info

[@ZyrusSmith]

He only posts one video every two months?

[@smadaf]

"Septuagint" gets the most stress on the first syllable, not the second.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Come on, we know where the Ark of the Covenant is... in a government warehouse in the US! (thought it might have been nuked.)

[@satanofficial3902]

"If nautical nonsense be something you wish, then drop on the deck and flop like a fish." ---Albert Einstein

[@satanofficial3902]

Impartial fact checkers say..."True!"

[@satanofficial3902]

"Fact checks can be checked because they're checkable by checkers." ---Albert Einstein

[@satanofficial3902]

"Quotes can be quoted because they're quotable by quoting." ---Albert Einstein

[@satanofficial3902]

"I see dead people. They were made of foam rubber. There could only be one verdict for this type of gravitational lens space-time distortion caused by the definition of fish which is only detectable at high speeds. This is so impressive as a veritable plethora of melon green that I can close my eyes and see it all again. A human eye can see around three thousand stars in the night sky. This contradicts almost every study ever done on flying unicorns. By not making mistakes, that's how we learn when police sketch artists are abducted by aliens. First-time house plants look different when individually wrapped top to bottom by a team of experts having non-fictional experiences. This is not my coat, call a taxi. I think maybe I shall make a run for the border tonight. Also, I wish they would bring back the chihuahua. I don't know what we learned here, but we learned something." ---Albert Einstein

[@inyobill]

@@satanofficial3902 "There is a lot of baloney on the internet" - A. Lincoln

[@mgrzx3367]

I was saved by my Fathers love of the Cleveland Browns. He didn't take me to church but watched the games on tv. 1965 they won the Championship. 1966 first superbowl. I only had to get a bible for the cub scouts. I'm Atheist and happy to be free of all that bullshit. Thank You Aron Ra, for showing me why I'm right.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

I thought the Sikh book was called the Guru Granth Sahib. 15:28 So, I'm not a scholar at all but when I read the Bible, I get the feeling it was talking to two different groups of people. The people who could read and write. The clergy, the scholars and scribes. And everyone else. And they probably didn't have the highest opinion of everyone else. So yeah there is a metaphorical aspect and a literal aspect. That's what I see when it says that Jesus did such and such "As to fulfill scripture.". Why are they saying it like that? I thought it just DID fulfill scripture according to apologists. But the writer is pointing it out to you. I think it's like a note. Like he's saying "Hey look. Don't miss this part. Read this to your congregation. Tell them that it fulfills old testament prophecy because I went through the trouble of adding all these elements from the old testament. I'll be damned if no one notices." So they MAY have thought that most people probably would take these things literally but maybe the learned were thought to be above that. Or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Can any of you Bible scholars tell me if I'm on to something here? Is this possible? Is it already known? Am I just wrong? I'm fine with being wrong. That means I learned something. It just stood out to me as likely true but maybe a deeper understanding reveals something I hadn't thought of.

[@jeffreylehman1159]

If I read you correctly, you are saying that the gospel authors, especially Mark, wrote their gospel framing Jesus’s actions as fulfilling scripture. I think this is obviously true, look at Jesus riding a donkey AND a colt into Jerusalem, because the passage referred to had phrasing where one animal was referred to by two terms as a sort of emphasis. How exactly would one person ride two animals?

[@nicolasandre9886]

AronRa, would you be suggesting that movies such as Eraserhead, or The Holy Mountain may not actually be based on true stories? That would be shocking.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

I was disappointed when I found out that the movie Cool Runnings was 99% made up. There was a Jamaican bobsled team in the 1988(?) Olympics. But it wasn’t made up from a ragtag group of derby racers and sprinters.

[@slevinchannel7589]

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[@dr.floridamanphd]

@@slevinchannel7589 I already follow Stephen’s channel. Quit spamming.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@dr.floridamanphd No need to call it that. And: Chill.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

@@slevinchannel7589 I’m chill. But I’ve seen you post that exact statement on several different posts. By definition that is spam.

[@frankcardano4142]

The disclaimer at the start of my copy of Fargo says it’s based on true events. That doesn’t mean it’s based on a true story, just events.

[@AECRADIO1]

A CRIMINAL WAS FOUND WALKING ON THE FIELD, DRUNK. *END OF STORY* **WELCOME TO FARGO**

[@AronRa]

But the disclamer says "this is a true story".

[@cullenarthur8879]

@@AronRa it also says that out of respect for the dead, some of the names had been changed. But the rest is exactly how it happened. Yeah, they definitely lied about that one. I thought for years that it was a true story. I mean, it isn't like similar things haven't happened.

[@strahdvonzarovich...]

@Frank... I guess no one told you... Aron is never wrong in his "movies" and videos. Remember, Aron's disclaimer says "But..." that's it, case closed, & checkmate. Never make this mistake again, so sayeth Aron Ra.

[@cullenarthur8879]

@@strahdvonzarovich... what are you blathering about?