Rebutting Genesis Apologetics - Debunking John n Jane 4o12

[@igorjee]

Creationist: Asks for intermediate species. Paleontologist: Finds intermediate species. Creationist: Haha, you can't even classify it!

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

More like: Creationist: Asks for intermediate species. Paleontologist: Finds intermediate species. Creationist: “That's just an ape/man! And now you have two more intermediate species to find to fill the holes!”

[@igorjee]

@@Lobsterwithinternet True story.

[@Annie_Annie__]

A Real Lobster With An Internet Connection Isn’t there a Futurama bit exactly like this? I remember it making me laugh way back in the day when I was still Christian (but kind of on my way out) because of my dealings with my fundy family members and I still think about it.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Annie_Annie__ Not too sure. Didn't watch a lot of it.

[@emanuelzurek680]

@@Annie_Annie__ yes it is

[@NastyLittleBagginses]

The fact that all the creationist channels disable the comment sections is pretty damning evidence that they *know* they're lying, and don't want their viewers to be exposed to rebuttals.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

I know; it fucking sucks, too. God, please force these cretins to enable their comment sections again. Do that, and I'll forget all about that five bucks you owe me.

[@bob74h67]

It's also funny that these same people petal free speech and debate as virtues yet here they are acting against that very same principle which they vouch for. I

[@tyler-qr5jn]

They want to avoid discussion

[@roostermcscratch9060]

I’d say it’s more like them avoiding valid arguments. Almost like they’re in denial.

[@wd3185]

They disabled likes, too, so that gives me a good idea of what kind of responses they were getting to this series. On the plus side, I think these videos are also unlisted, as I could only find them by following Aron's link, so that's some good at least.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

Jane: Is it just me or does the evolutionary story keep changing? Florida Man: You could say it’s… evolving 😎

[@JoaoMariaNunes]

just imagine one looking at a painting... the longer you look the more details you find...its like science, the more you learn the more new things you find... and because you initially couldn't see them, it doesn't mean they weren't there ...

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

*YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!*

[@blindwatchmaker2345]

The difference is that science is evolving towards a goal.... understanding the natural world to the best of our ability given the current data. Otherwise creatards will use your quote as proof of conspiracy and manipulation of conclusion 🤨😉🤣

[@dr.floridamanphd]

@@blindwatchmaker2345, that’s a pretty big stretch for a cheap one liner.

[@blindwatchmaker2345]

@@dr.floridamanphd as is creatardism....

[@mattyoung9075]

Erika makes great videos, full of facts. But Aaron doesn’t need to apologize for covering some of the same material, I come here for the aggression.

[@2l84me8]

What creationists never seem to realize is that even if they were to somehow discredit evolution it wouldn’t bring them one inch closer to proving their god exists.

[@gowdsake7103]

Which is why its ultimately a distraction tactic from that question

[@Z4r4sz]

Some of them openly admitted that without evolution their fairy tale would be the only alternative to explain reality. As if no other theistic religion makes claims about the origin of the universe and life.

[@ianhurley1147]

Gotta move the goal post somewhere. If evolution was ever discredited something else would step in its place as the boogie man

[@dr.cheeze5382]

@@Z4r4sz exept it wouldn't that's a black and white + god of the gaps fallacy combo.

[@kerianhalcon3557]

But look at the TREEEEEEESSSSSS!!!! Those totally proves their GAWD!

[@wiatcheslavsidortsov5235]

"They reported they found skulls in Georgia ... like ... Russia". Well, these are two different countries, but John and Jane care as much about geography, as they do about biology.

[@Satori_kun]

that part killed me, I know muricans don't actually care what lies beyond their borders, but conflating two countries into one even knowing these are separate countries is beyond me. I guess thats summarize their kind of reasoning pretty well, read between the lines and then ignoring the lines (or facts), making up what ever bullshit you wanna believe in

[@simongiles9749]

I've come to suspect that they're actually sponsored Russian propaganda. "What is in chest, Yohn?" "Is my grandfather's chest, Yayne. These are skull fragments of my grandfather, he criticise Brezhnev. Please hold book. Is totally not coated in Novichok".

[@franciscosustek7249]

Or truth...

[@DeliberateContrarian]

@@simongiles9749 That ...was... Awesome.

[@Mockturtlesoup1]

Lol. I found that part odd as well.

[@VioletWolfQueen]

I love John's line: If our textbooks won't address the new evidence, let's look at the Bible Excellent! Let us consult the ancient texts to find the newest scientific evidence!

[@steveaustin4118]

The sad part is you could show john and jane all the evidence and they'd still deny it's true

[@TheScotsalan]

Aron could invent a time machine, take john and jane through our entire history of the universe, go forward 5k years to a time when scientific gaps have been filled.. and they would still say.. godidit 😂😂👍

[@TheScotsalan]

And @steve austin. We know exactly what arguement they would make.. god guided it all... proove us wrong 😂🤬

[@Bodrikutya2]

Nah they're actors. We don't know if they even believe what they say, they might be thinking what a bullshit of a script this is. But easy money at least. Then again, maybe it is the other way around, who knows.

[@kevinshort3943]

Steve Austin "The sad part is you could show john and jane all the evidence and they'd still deny it's true" There was a BBC series called "Conspiracy road trip", where they put a bunch of nut jobs on a bus, and took them to the evidence that proves them wrong (mostly). There was a very telling bit in the Creationist one, where they were at a museum, and were presented with a pile of Hominid skulls. One of the women said something along the lines of "I can see the evidence, but if I accept it, I will lose my (religious) friends, and will have to discount all the other nutty religious stuff I believe too".

[@kevinshort3943]

@@Bodrikutya2 Pretty sure I saw somewhere, they they are part of the Ministry, and not just actors.

[@patrickmclaren4360]

Between yourself and Gutsick's channel I have learned a lot more about evolution than I ever thought about before and I thank you both for that, but I truly feel sorry for anyone who is being taught these lies,

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

which lies would that be?

[@2l84me8]

@@BorisNoiseChannel I think they were referring to creation apologist videos.

[@patrickmclaren4360]

@@2l84me8 exactly

[@3DFLYLOW]

I was just watching some disturbing stuff on KZbin (mormon stuff) and then I saw this video came up so now I'm feeling a lot better. Aron Ra Content Is very good. Thank you for saving me from that. Big fan.

[@thesatanosaurreigns2448]

Oh man you're in for a treat, Aron's been around for a long ass time and has a lot of good content.

[@whatabouttheearth]

I just saw a new video that is going around Twitter of that one "patriot pastor" telling his congregation that autism is possession and the "bible has no such diagnosis as that" (autism) so parents should take their autistic kids to preachers to heal them from possession. 🤦 These people are fucking nuts!

[@secularargument5720]

You must scare easily. Lol

[@ijaripanju3408]

I don't know why but the original post reminded me of the episode when homer Simpson hears a knock on the door and finding the two aliens of the series on the other side ...to which he says to himself " uhh ,Mormons" lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpa3pmlsl5qnmNE

[@chrishakala528]

@@whatabouttheearth Parents that stupid shouldn't be allowed to raise children. Treating autistic people like they are demon-possessed will always result in abuse.

[@gmansard641]

I have a book of my grandfather's from the 1930s that discusses evolution. Piltdown Man is in there, but it's described as uncertain, and states that future discoveries and research may clarify its validity.

[@gmansard641]

Exactly what science is supposed to do.

[@DocBree13]

What a treasure to have!

[@gmansard641]

@@DocBree13 Yea, there's a few others from him, one has the Earth at 2.5 billion years (again 1930s, aside from physicists radiation was almost unknown), and a World History that stops prior to WWII. I also have a set of encyclopedias from 1912 that talks about the Cosmic Ether (several years AFTER Special Relativity) . AND, though this set is aimed at kids, it is very lauditory toward Darwin!

[@justme0910]

I've seen some absurdly bad arguments for creationism before, but picking a fight with a 6th grade science textbook and still having to lie about what it says to make your point has to be the saddest, most pathetic thing I've ever witnessed.

[@phpeon9282]

The biggest problem creationism, flat-eartherism and any other pseudoscience, religion or conspiracy theory is a concept so basic and fundamental and so dangerous to them that they tried to demonize it: Uniformity/Corelation Everything in science accounts for everything in the real world to fit with everything else within. The Big Bang, Planetary formation, evolution and other such concepts are inter-twined and go against their silly doctrine of an iron age deity throwing you in a lava pit for not believing in his pancake covered by a fish bowl in primordial waters.

[@stevewebber707]

Sadly, trying to decide on the saddest, and most pathetic examples of arguments from creationism, is a tough competition.

[@spectranaut2464]

@@stevewebber707 Id have to go with Kent Hovind... There's almost no competition to his arrogance and reality denial.

[@stevewebber707]

@@spectranaut2464 Definitely up there. I'd put Todd Friel a notch further. He has just as much arrogance, and less intelligence or appeal. In terms of impact, Hovind would win just because of the volume of his exposure though. Also tipping Hovind into the running is the dishonesty, and abusive personality flaws Hovind has. Matt Powell gets an (dis)honorable mention. Because he uses the same arguments with worse execution than Kent. I guess we'd have to decide on the criteria we use for this.

[@JGM0JGM]

@@spectranaut2464 I don't believe for a second that Hovind denies reality, in his own mind. All he does is a show to rake in the dollars, it's blatant marketing to appeal to his base. I'm sure he doesn't believe one word of what he spouts. It's all for money and fame, nothing else. He's a con man, an abusive person, a piece of trash, in short, a really despicable human being.

[@simongiles9749]

Oh, I loved Gutsick Gibbon's framing of this skit as John and Jane being trapped in some kind of purgatory doomed to repeat fallacious arguments as some kind of existential punishment. Wonderfully dry!

[@whatabouttheearth]

At first I only watched these types of rebuttals occasionally but then I realized that you can learn the YECs entire playbook because they repeat the same thing that has been only slightly modified in the last thirty years (at least). The exact same points keep coming up by YECs in these videos, in the comments, on their web pages, from the pulpit. They really don't have that many talking points.

[@stefanlaskowski6660]

She is absolutely amazing! 😁

[@SB-cm9jh]

It'd be funny if their minds finally realized how wrong they are and they couldn't do anything to control their speech and other actions. 😂 They would make themselves cringe forever.

[@burningmisery]

@@SB-cm9jh Self-awareness has been replaced with deep self-delusion.

[@whatabouttheearth]

@@SB-cm9jh The mind has a built in defensive mechanism against that, they would have to somewhat retract by themselves for a while. It's simmilar to beong surrounded by threats, your defenses armor your mind from sudden mental stress

[@CarlosTehJackal]

I watched Gutsick Gibbon's video and found it very enjoyable and informative. But you have very different styles so it was definitely worth you making your own. Both were excellent. Thank you for doing what you do, Aron.

[@mtbee9641]

Totally agree. Watch both videos.

[@mikeseiler1284]

Forrest valkai has a great one too.

[@BarryMemphis]

Nice... my early dose of Arons' dry humor... starts my day the right way 👍🏽 greets from Germany

[@iridescent880]

The amount of dishonesty they use to try to deceive kids is pathetic. They know their position is so weak that they use projection and personal incredulity to cover their tracks.

[@spectranaut2464]

But they know they can fool impressionable kids

[@iridescent880]

@@spectranaut2464 luckily I was one of the kids that called bs on it at an early age.

[@spectranaut2464]

@@iridescent880 That's good, I was fooled by it until I actually learned about evolution in high school

[@alisaurus4224]

The entire position is “I, a willfully ignorant person, don’t immediately understand this, therefore GOD DID IT”

[@bushmasterflash]

When it comes to explanations of Human/Ape evolution Gutsick Gibbon is pretty awesome. I am glad Aron did his own video as well because the more videos there are out there debunking the John and Jane crap the better.

[@grapeshot]

Oh yeah it makes white supremacist very angry that humanity came out of Africa. They know the implications of that. And what that truly means.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Not only them, but Han-Supremacists also hate that we came out of Africa and try pretending that Peking Man evolved separately from the rest of humanity to justify their racial discrimination against groups in and out of China and declare their own supremacy, and the supremacy of ‘the Middle Kingdom’, over everyone else. Want to see an example? Go watch the New Year's gala where they have people in blackface and dress Africans up as monkeys.

[@grapeshot]

@@Lobsterwithinternet oh yeah my cousin worked over in China for a number of years and she let me know that the Chinese are big fans of WS. And when I was stationed over in Japan and South Korea they also have their forms of white supremacy although they do love to listen to rap, hip-hop and the urban style.

[@grapeshot]

@@Lobsterwithinternet And remember they scapegoated Africans during the height of the pandemic although we all know what country it all started at.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@grapeshot I know. Know a bunch of Expats from Hubei Provence and Guangzhou in Guangdong Provence. It's insane the blatant racism on display that the local government supports and the central government looks the other way.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@grapeshot Yeah, saw a bunch of Gal and Ganguro girls in Yokosuka. If you want a laugh, go watch the rap the CPC put out celebrating the Two Sessions.

[@The_Chef2511]

These two only being partially literate and barely managing to pass high school adds some unfortunate context they probably weren't aiming for.

[@jamesfarquhar8507]

So great to have 50 minutes of uninterrupted genius, Ra is such a good communicator that idk if I have forgotten anything he's said in the 4 or 5 years I've been following him..but now I'm on patreon and I can give back now, it does feel good.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

It's definitely interrupted a handful of times by ads.

[@stefanlaskowski6660]

The late Stephen Jay Gould actually wrote an article going over his reasoning that the priest DeChardin was the actual perpetrator of the Piltdown hoax. Gould believed it was intended as a practical joke, one which went awry in a way the perpetrator(s) never imagined. I'm not sure he made his case, but it certainly provided food for thought.

[@undersatan5685]

I read that same essay too. It's in the book The Panda's Thumb. Gould also makes mention that Piltdown Man had alot of hype as it was an opportunity for England to one-up France in the field of human evolution since most of the major discoveries at that point had been made in France.

[@JarottM]

Kinda like how the iconic Surgeons photo of the Loch Ness Monster was originally a practical joke but got so big those responsible never said anything until one of them confessed on his deathbed.

[@simongiles9749]

31:03 "The shin *and* the leg-bone" Tells you all you need to know about the quality of John&Janes's scientific credibility.

[@whatabouttheearth]

😂 I didn't even notice that.

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

I always hate it when creationists say that we evolved from “ape-like creatures.” Why don’t people understand the law of monophyly? Humans didn’t just evolve from apes, we still ARE apes and are very similar to the other hominids present today.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Because they can't admit they, made in the image of almighty God himself, are just an animal and have to separate themselves from the other apes.

[@Barris42]

@@raysalmon6566 Eh, humans have one fewer pair of chromosomes than the other apes, not the other way around. This comes from a fusion of two chromosomes in our ancient ancestor.

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@raysalmon6566 Humans have one fewer pair of chromosomes, actually. And it’s because the telomeres of chromosome 2 fused together, which separated us from the other apes.

[@jonneexplorer]

@@raysalmon6566 yes, that difference can be "crossed" We have evidence of how it happened. I am sorry, but you have been deceived by science denying zealots. it does not help out confidence in your nonsense that you got it the other way around. If you disagree, please define apes in a way that includes every other ape, yet excludes us without resorting tpo special pleading.

[@michaelsommers2356]

I don't think "ape-like creatures" is all that bad, since it emphasizes that we do not descend from modern apes.

[@krankarvolund7771]

Jane; Is it me... Me: Yeah, probably, all of the problems you found in evolution are due to your misunderstandings/misrepresentations. Jane: or the story of evolution keeps changing. Me: Oh, actually it's not you, it's just the greatest strength of evolution and science in general.

[@naruarthur]

the more information you gather, the better you can explain what happened

[@dr.cheeze5382]

@@naruarthur and the more you realise that things were not as you first thought triggering a rewriting of the fundementals, but anti-science folk are apparently too dumb to get that.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

The kind of strength that catapulted evolution to its place as one of the most well-substantiated scientific theories in history.

[@vianneyb.8776]

Small correction at 26:42 : The word "homo" does mean "the same" or "similar" in Ancient Greek, but scientific names are in Latin, so it is a different word that means "human". Fun fact: this word actually comes from "earth", hence the similarity between "humus" and "human".

[@GRAHFXENO]

"The Piltdown Man was a fraud" Yeah, so was the Shroud of Turin. What's your point?

[@spectranaut2464]

John and Jane: "Don't believe what the biology textbooks and experts say about science" Also John and Jane: "Believe this several thousand year old book we don't know the authors of without question"

[@mouserr]

believe all these after the polls closed votes are legit ignore the fact that demonstrable cheats were caught cheating

[@spectranaut2464]

@@mouserr ?

[@burningmisery]

@@spectranaut2464 Dude's a no-life loser who comes to this channel to cope with having no friends. Bigly sad.

[@spectranaut2464]

@@burningmisery I couldnt tell what he was saying

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

They don't even know the author with question most of the time due to the Bible not saying and it apparently being their guide for truth over everything else.

[@micktaylor891]

We are so lucky to have people like Aron as a science communicator and the passion he has for this is helping so many people to face the truth/reality and question often held long time fantasy belief systems. I for one have benefited enormously from this and hope this is the case for countless others also.

[@ThW5]

He has a rather unfortunate habit of suggesting that common English utterances have any taxonomic significance, though.

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

@@raysalmon6566 The Bible is almost certainly the greatest collection of poems, stories, letters, and songs that, having been distorted by endless translations and interpretations, can not be attributed accurately to anyone.

[@ThW5]

@@micktaylor891 Notice his use of "monkey"?

[@ThW5]

@@micktaylor891 I am a biologist... n.i.b.m.s.w.e.!

[@ThW5]

@@micktaylor891 n i b s e w e I don't know either. n.i.b.m.s.w.e = Nothing In Biology Makes Sense Without Evolution.

[@Mikri90]

Don't you just love when they quote-mine an actual scientist and then Aron goes on to contact the person in question and they just end up trashing them and their dishonest use of quotes and their dirty tactics. I love it.

[@GothicVioletVixen]

The only two magazines I ever bought were WWN and MAD. Good times. I found WWN so entertaining. Especially the ads. It wasn't until much later, I realized some people took that sh*t seriously, and I quit buying it and stuck to MAD.

[@cavemandanwilder5597]

At about the 19min mark, John is trying to show Jane a specific page from their “whole” Biology textbook. He fumbles around for a bit, and Jane helpfully shows him the page marker and tries to help him open to the correct spot. She actually helps him find the page she’s supposed to be super surprised to hear about. Sigh…

[@istvansipos9940]

and IF they had debunked evolution, then the alternative explanation would be... ... ...magic. not ancient Greek or Egyptian, of course. Because that's only magic.

[@herzglass]

Amazes me how short 54 minutes can be when somebody is making nothing but sense.

[@tolearnandteach2595]

I argue that this man is a saint.. a saint of truth, whose statements are well founded on evidence.

[@TirarADeguello]

a prophet of truth?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

He's also on record as being Bigfoot. Probably my favorite Aron Ra story.

[@tyler-qr5jn]

This is who God truly sent

[@jasonwitte9582]

Thanks, Aron. Hearing you describe the actual events at the time of Piltdown man's 'discovery' really solidifies, in my mind what was going on. I mean, I knew the dates, but never associated it the events of the time, so hearing you describe them really contextualized it for me. As well, I didn't know the 'Illustrated London News' was basically a rag for sensationalism. I appreciate your videos and thoughts

[@kamion53]

I too knew those outdated pictures for a while, but never connected the source with sensation rag. They get copied over and over again in popular science and probably because author rights are long time expired sources are seldom given. Very good from AronRa to point out the origin of the crap.

[@theFLCLguy]

If you complain about science changing you don't understand science. Science is basically trying to prove yourself wrong in every way you can think. Progress in science comes from change.

[@chezeus1672]

"Science is basically trying to prove yourself wrong in every way you can think." which means science is the exact opposite of religion. no wonder they don't understand it.

[@robertfelton8374]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, I'm probably religious.

[@simongiles9749]

I must admit, I was hoping that Aron was going to include George W Bush's, er, idio(t)syncratic take on that saying.

[@Rayrard]

"Why is science always changing?" - poor person who thinks all knowledge should remain unchanged since the Bronze Age

[@DrSpooglemon]

Then they ask why the text books haven't taken on board the "new evidence". They are such obvious charlatans.

[@MrCanis4]

From a time when they didn't even know the Earth is a sphere.

[@MrCanis4]

46:00 "just as different groups can differ today" Yes, and they all came from this eight people on that boat, about four thousand six hundred years ago. Right?

[@maikt904]

after seeing both versions covering the same material i am glad you did it as well, seeing your insights and some additional background knowledge on your part made it worth it, especially the line of suspects of the piltdown man fraud and their possible motives was great :D

[@albeon_draken]

The worst readers are those who behave like plundering troops: they take away a few things they can use, dirty and confound the remainder, and revile the whole. ~Nietzsche

[@finngswan3732]

If there's anything I've learned when it comes to making stuff, it's like bringing a home-made cake to a party. Your might feel it's redundant, but the people eating are happy to have more cake.

[@moriahgamesdev]

Zero? Cmon Aron, there isn't that much evidence for God; you're exaggerating.

[@mister3horn153]

I didn't realize Aron Ra doing a British accent was something I needed so badly in my life.

[@Dloin]

16:25 "Wait you are reading another book? you must have to much time!" tells you all you need to know about "honest curiousity". You can never read enough books or learn enough. Even novels can teach you about language.

[@cbrewitt]

Novels can teach you not just about language, but also about people.

[@Dloin]

@@cbrewitt yeah and about some "life skills" how fire is made etc.

[@idaniluz652]

That's a misquote, she actually said: "really, your brother's book? You have so much time in your hand".

[@jaegrant6441]

The BBC and even our, Australia's, abc used to be so good at maintaining the facts and not sensationalising news, scientific or otherwise. Possibly because it was largely public funded and did not have that "sell stories or die" mentality. But that has been dissolving at an unprecedented rate. I'm almost ashamed of both institutions nowadays. 😔 I also blame nasty Rupert Murdoch. His mafia of editors blurred the line between editorial and news so much so that bias is now in every article that is published. It's no wonder that so many are turning towards podcasters and alternative journalists. But they unfortunately also blur facts with opinion. Many science researchers are being encouraged to train in science communication. Which can only be a good thing. I really enjoyed Gutsick Gibbons episode. Potholer54 is a good science journalist. I also like Sabine Hossenfielder as a science communicator. But Aron Ra is the one I will click on as soon as he uploads. Thank you!

[@TheScotsalan]

Yup. Someone done a vid recently about the bbc. They have to allow alternative points of view, so they had a flat earther on.

[@simongiles9749]

The BBC has fallen prey to the "swirly dramatic music" school of science presentation as well (as in the Brian Cox "I've come to Utah to tell you that space is really really big" style). Compare and contrast to the old super info-dense presentations by the likes of James Burke and Carl Sagan. So, these could be super-dry sometimes, but I think things have gone too far in the other direction. (That said, you could usually find some good stuff by Jim Al-Khalili over on BBC4)

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

Rupert Murdoch and his minions, like Andrew Bolt, are battling hard to have the ABC privatised. They are hoping to have their pun-based headlines replace the 7 o'clock news.

[@MarkAhlquist]

I hope it becomes normal for creators to cover the same videos if they want to. I don't see it as a problem, in fact it's good: science videos need to outnumber bullshit 100 to 1.

[@swxqt6826]

Who knew Aron Ra’s British accent would be so good?

[@kevinshort3943]

That was good? FYI: There is no such thing as a "British" accent.

[@swxqt6826]

@@kevinshort3943 so there’s no such thing as an “American accent” either? Or Australian?

[@cullenarthur8879]

@@swxqt6826 I think they mean that since it is their language, everyone else has the accent. I disagree with this since there are even different accents in England. The British definitely have accents.

[@cookergronkberg]

lol..the line at the end about grandpa's box of propaganda cracked me up...

[@mrmaat]

Another great video Aron. Erica is an amazing KZbinr as well. I appreciate that you gave her a plug.

[@jujuplayboy]

Bringing Piltdown man to refute evolution is like bringing the Shrine of Turin to refute Christianity.

[@TheScotsalan]

Excellent 👍😂

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

Wonderful analogy. I still see idiots trumping the shroud of Turin as evidence even today, despite it being refuted for almost 2 years.

[@jujuplayboy]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 Even the Catholic Church always suspected it to be a fake relic (the 14th century was already known to be full of fake relics). Carbon14 datation (showing the shrine was made during the 14th century) were made in 1988 and the results were acknowledged by the Catholic Church. Yet, as you said, there will always be idiots to reject facts and claim the Shrine of Turin is authentic.

[@mattm8870]

@@jujuplayboy I seen idiots claim that its older than the the 14th century because of the Hungarian Pray Codex. Which they claim shows the shroud of Turin in the 3 Marys in the tomb image. They completely miss that the shroud is bundled up at the feet of the angel and instead claim that part of the sarcophagus is the shroud.

[@stefanlaskowski6660]

The Catholic Church never claimed the Shroud of Turin was a genuine miraculous artifact.

[@valkeakirahvi]

The homo meaning 'same' and the homo meaning 'human' are actually two words that are not related and just look the same by coincidence. The former comes from Greek, and the latter from Latin. Thought it's worth mentioning, because you used them as if they were the same word, and because that's an easy mistake to make :)

[@tedgrant2]

The Gospels (Good News !) are sensational with amazing stories. Men walking on water. Virgins having babies. Mountains and trees moving by command. They sound like the sort of fake news we often get in cheap newspapers. "Double decker bus found on moon !" "Dead man rises from the dead !"

[@sciencenerd7639]

I've seen four different rebuttals to this John and Jane video. Forrest's, Viced Rhino's, Gutsick Gibbon's and this one. With each iteration I learned new things. Thank you and great job.

[@buttercxpdraws8101]

Beautifully presented Mr Ra. Your voice is smooth and easy on the ears, your explanations clear, and your sense of humour engaging. I’m not from the U.S. and have never seen the Jane and John series. Pretty shocking stuff!

[@inyobill]

Americans are not universally deplorable. But you need to excuse us, we do try. ;-)

[@Zook85]

Dismisses tons of evidence in science books, then goes on to say "the bible says man was created out of dirt. Makes sense."

[@lykortos4827]

Science continues to improve and correct previous misconceptions; religious texts remain static, repeating the same mistakes generation by generation.

[@alanthompson8515]

Hi. While I agree re: science I think you are a little harsh re: religious texts. OK, loony literalists like J and J do treat their holy book as if it were written in stone but, thank Go oops! goodness, they are a tiny minority. Historo-critical biblical textual scholarship and archaeology have been around for a couple of centuries and, among other things, have improved the accuracy of modern translations and opened several areas of debate (such as the mythological nature of the Exodus "event", the authorship of both the gospels and some of the NT epistles, and the classic "Who was Jesus?" poser). The JnJ cultists who stick their fingers in their ears, sing "La La La La!" and reject the insights of these disciplines are the only losers. That's me speaking as a atheist with a great interest in the origins of the religion that dominated too much of the only life I know I have.

[@impishmisconception7762]

The fact that John and Jane are spreading nonsense is bad enough, what makes it worse is that these videos are supposed to be for teenagers. Jane and John are talking down to their audience the whole time as if their audience is filled with five-year-olds.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Tabloid: hires artist to imagine a scene. Ceationists: HA! SCIENCE IS A LIE!

[@davidfitnesstech]

INFORMATIVE, yet funny video Sir. I actually hope these two keep putting out videos for you to dismantle.

[@caseycampbell4238]

i wish i had the chance to learn about evolution in high school. instead i had to learn everything i know about biodiversity from youtube. thankfully i lived through the age of the internet and had a chance to access this information

[@FigmentTheFurry]

What you doing posting this late Aron? Your science is keeping me up!!!

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

It’s just the right time in other time zones, at least for me.

[@FigmentTheFurry]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 Lucky! Fair enough though

[@markshort9098]

7:30pm here so it's perfect timing for me.. beer and a aron ra video, life is good

[@Evolved_Skeptic]

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was a student Anthropologist only at the Sussex dig site for less than a week before heading off to be a WW1 ambulance driver in France.

[@AlGhoul]

I love the shoutout to GG. She's really good at this stuff, and deserves the acknowledgment.

[@DerkMiester]

I love that you, Gutsick Gibbon, Paulogia, and Vice Rhino all cover similar topics in your own ways. I have never felt more educated on evolution and scientific thinking than I've had with your channels. My fundamentalist deprograming is accelerating!

[@christophervanoster]

Aronra doing a British posh accent is something I didn’t know I needed to hear but it was funny. Great work Aronra

[@chris999999999999]

"Look at how tiny the bone fragments they found were" is a strange argument from people that presume the entire Gospels existed in 100AD based of the fractions of paragraphs we've found.

[@montgomerypowers7205]

By the logic of the thumpers, if having multiple interpretations of something makes a claim invalid then they just disproved their own theology so long as more than one denomination exists.

[@n1ghtmar3mach1n3]

It's extraordinarily frustrating to see creationists repeatedly dragging out Piltdown and NE Man as if the scientific community still held those up as real finds. 🙄

[@danielessex2162]

They need to look at stuff like that. This way if you try to refute it they can claim you "debunked evolution" using your own reasoning.

[@n1ghtmar3mach1n3]

@@danielessex2162 Indeed. That pisses me off as well. 😁

[@bigskypioneer1898]

I was wondering - did anyone hear John and Jan use any "evidence" dated _after_ 2010? or even 2K? If it was in the vid - I must have missed it. That is the part that is most telling to me about the shaky ground they stand on. If this was a REAL debate they wouldn't be pulling up stuff from 1973 or earlier. They would be using information from 2015 -2020... or even 2022. Goes to show that neither Kent of Ken are just lazy snake oil salesmen. Sadly those 2 also have a scary grip on many school districts in the USA. smh.

[@jonpaulcer3128]

With just her first sentence you can tell she doesn't even know what evolution is.

[@Z4r4sz]

At 16:24 he says "take a look at my little brothers 6th grade HISTORY book" and shows a biology book. Says it all really.

[@racoonese]

Excellent as always! As an aside, I loved the fashion critique at 3:40, fundagelical style sense is a tough thing to get rid of.

[@shenone3285]

I live in TX. I was taught homology, convergent evolution, and embryology a bit. Nothing that would make a creationist student do a double take but still. There's hope?

[@asolomoth1066]

I am utterly bewildered by Aron's ability to take one simple rhetoric from these creationists and so cleanly go through everything wrong with it. Like, not even 10 seconds in, and and I can feel that the creationists no longer have a point (not that they had one to begin with)

[@SiganQ]

I love how John mansplains everything to Jane. That's the way creationists think men and women should interact at all times. Women need a man to explain everything to them, because god said so.

[@shareetz3154]

yep. it’s incredibly condescending.

[@mariomario1462]

You're reaching there

[@SiganQ]

@@mariomario1462 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission." - 1 Timothy 2:11 No I'm not. Creationists (especially these particular creationists) believe in the Bible. Accepting bits and pieces of it, rather than the entire book, is a fallacy called cherry-picking. If they believe in the idea that God created the world as the Genesis narrative outlines, then they believe this about women, also. It's not a reach. It's their reality. Learn the book, and then have a debate with me.

[@mariomario1462]

@@SiganQ uhm what? I'm not talking about the Bible. I'm talking about you claiming someone in the video thinks women are inferior based on the video. You have no proof of this

[@SiganQ]

@@mariomario1462 The people that made the video are the people I'm referring to. And, since I started the conversation, that's who you're talking about too. The people that made the video, as well as the only serious audience watching the video, would believe that women need everything explained to them by men. So, if you're not talking about what I was talking about, then go complain to the strawman of a person you've come up with, somewhere else.

[@uncle0eric]

I admire Aron's patience for going through this drivel.

[@Luubelaar]

51:00 - birds are animals. I actually worked with a woman some years back, who was absolutely insistent that birds are not animals. At first, I thought she had misspoken or I had misheard her, and that she meant that birds are not mammals (because that's true). Nope. She meant animals and doubled down on it when challenged. After going back and forth for a bit, I asked "so if they're not animals, what are they? Plants? Rocks? What?" and she was so confused and refused to answer.

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

Wow! How do people like that even exist? 🤦‍♀️

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

@Sgt Brown 🤯

[@paulware4701]

This isn't a scientific comment, but I feel the need to say it. You have the most perfect voice for this kind of material since Carl Sagan. Please keep it up.

[@gibbsm]

I consider Dogs people, so guilty as charged :P. Keep up the good work Aron.

[@86BullnoseOG]

How can creationists look at different “kinds” of birds, for example, a barn swallow and an albatross; and accept that they’re both birds despite the vast array of differences between them while simultaneously claiming we’re not related to homo erectus despite all of our similarities?

[@Angelmou]

Because then they would not think to be the chosen ones in the center of the cosmos with a promised eternal life in infinte bliss; instead of facing their own mortality. It is identical to flatearthers. They want to be in the center of a plane world made for them to let sun and stars and every celestial body move around them and flatearthers hate to be on a "spinning rockball" "flying" through a black void of cold emptiness with no captain holding the wheel.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

Jane, looking in the mirror 20 years from now: "Oh, my face changed... I look different than when i was in elementary school! And I know things I didn't then. I also have skills and abilities I didn't had as a child... AM I FAKE, LIKE EVOLUTION IS???"

[@rustycherkas8229]

Wait 'til she tries to figure out how the single fertilised egg cell from which she started spawned everything from her heart cells to liver cells to lung cells to blood cells to muscle cells, and, yes, even those abundant fat cells... All from one original cell... How can this happen when nothing changes from generation to generation???

[@FrikInCasualMode]

@@rustycherkas8229 Not to mention small details like gill slits or a tail she possessed and one point or another, when she was an embryo.

[@rustycherkas8229]

@@FrikInCasualMode And to forget about the dentist removing her 4 impacted "wisdom teeth" because her evolved jaw is no longer large enough to hold all those masticaters...

[@khrowv]

I've seen other channels respond to this episode at least 2 or 3 times before, but I'm interesting in seeing how Aron responds especially.

[@SpyderQueen1988]

Good morning from UK, great way to wake up the brain on a Monday morning x

[@justblazenone]

I hope your videos play next in the algorithm behind this pot of dishonest assertions every single time. Thank you again

[@sadfairy20]

Just started watching the channel. Idk how you stay so calm reviewing these videos. I'd be tearing my hair out.

[@Kilmoran]

If the writings of the Bible did spontaneously update (aka change), that would be evidence for God, ironically.

[@eriklunden5218]

15:50 'Fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.' -G.W. Bush

[@Danawesomy567]

Having not done any research regarding the actors, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I was cast in an Islamic web series in which my character ditched his default Christianity to “find the light in Allah”. All of this despite being an atheist in my personal life. Back then it was hard to find work and I was willing to take anything after a certain point. I very well could’ve played John if I was desperate enough.

[@KXSocialChannel]

I think it's quite obvious that these videos are either for Christians to maintain their faith or for people who are unsure of the science and aren't willing to investigate or think for themselves. The Christian videos are only embarrassing from the view of people who are willing to learn, think, and investigate. If someone isn't willing to do those things, then they are more likely to be Christian, as it requires no thinking, only believing.

[@bigbrobonobo]

I am so glad their schools use whole books. I find that's best

[@3DFLYLOW]

Keep making these awesome videos.. I'm just something wrong who knows nothing but super enjoy your detailed factual analysis. My favorite thing ever is the truth is what the facts are. The truth is what the facts are. That is one of the most amazing things I've ever heard in my life.

[@daniellepearsall4978]

A shame that his grandfather cared enough about science to keep all that stuff just to have his grandson mock it and disbelieve everything

[@thakraken6995]

A real life spiderman does seem more possible than a sky daddy lol

[@jorandax9059]

I think at 19:10, John called it the Holt biology book, not the "whole book."

[@tabbingphafner3681]

@AronRa a small correction, at 19:13 I beleive the ‘whole book’ line is mistaken. That appears to be a Holt McDougal Biology book similar to the one I used in highschool, but I don’t blame you for mishearing as their pronunciation is unclear at best and they made the same comment about the drawing earlier. Otherwise, great work as always! Thanks for the great video.

[@AronRa]

I thought that might be the case, but went with my joke anyway.

[@tabbingphafner3681]

@@AronRa I respect the creative decision, good joke nonetheless. Thanks again!

[@darinb.3273]

@@AronRa It is fascinating that the same guy who speaks against news articles claims they did it to sell papers and actually HELPED the science of evolution and saying we evolved from great apes, is now bashing the media because the papers that reported these findings were found to be fraudulent attempts to support evolution and report about it. It is amusing the same ideas continues per Lucy which had extreme damage and was so badly deteriorated they had to reconstruct it using digital software as constructing missing hips and the claim she walked upright. Not to mention how far apart the collection of bones were found from each other and lack of a complete skeleton. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPWiK13pdqorMU Aron have some fun finding fault with this one.

[@OpEditorial]

The catch 22 here is if there were any intermediary species of hominid around today (like that time *coelocanths* were discovered alive and well swimming in the deep sea) their existence would simply be chalked up to a miracle of creation.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

43:20 I still remember when Bat Boy went off to fight the Taliban. (That was a real headline, in case anyone is wondering)

[@hegyak]

This sums up the difference between Theism and Science. Science is willing to admit, "We got it wrong." Theism says "YOU got it wrong."

[@chezeus1672]

small linguistic correction: the latin noun "homo" means "human"; its latin plural is "homines". this word stems from proto-indo-european "ǵʰmṓ", which is based on the word "dʰéǵʰōm" ("earth") and translates to "earthling". the greek adjective "ὁμός" (homos) means "same", and stems from the same proto-indo-european root word as the english "same": somHós. they are completely different words that just happen to look the same.

[@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout]

Not really surprised that they'd stick with believing erroneous information from centuries ago...