Regulated vs Unregulated PCPs | Air Arms S510 Testing & Results

[@AirArmsHuntingSA]

There's a 10 second section where there seems to be an audio problem. Turn on annotations for "subtitles"!

[@MrRockstar1968]

Thanks for the info in this footage. What ft-lb is the rifle set at, is it a sub 12 ft-lb rifle or is it 20 or 30 ft-lb?

[@lilvfr400boy]

hi Matt look up xtx air gun tuning uk, they make end of cylinder gauges for when you regulate air arms rifles and they include a new designed probe which is more weirauch style type and works great I did it to my old s200 and it was excellent . you can then again see your working pressure

[@ladedk]

I've never even shot a PCP gun before, but i think you do a very good job explaining the inner workings. It´s very easy to understand. And i like your thorough testing and data compilation too!

[@brazillianbully1095]

Can't find the video with the installation. ????

[@mathewjacob3075]

Glad to have you back matt

[@hlalhruaitluanga3233]

Just finished installing the lane regulator in my S510 as well, I used the valve spring that came with the regulator, set the reg to 135 bar and removed 1 3/4 coil of the hammer spring and I am getting 45 regulated shots within 15 fps spread averaging 880 fps with 18.13 jsb's from 205 bar fill. After watching your videos I am urge to try 250 bar fill which i hope will get me more shots.

[@huntjunky1]

+H Lalhruaitluanga That is quite good performance...you might try reducing pressure to 115-120 bar and adjusting your original hammer spring to your velocity. You should gain some more shots, at this velocity. Increasing your fill pressure will obtain more shots, but typically, the higher fill pressure shots are less efficient air usage (perhaps 3 or 4 bar per shot) as opposed to fill pressures under 200 bar (perhaps 2 bar per shot) with those at 150 to 115 bar being optimum @ 135 bar regulated pressure and 140 to 100 bar being optimum for 115 regulated pressure setting...kind of a choice between most efficient air usage and maximum number of shots per fill. Have fun playing with it...it is a gadgeteers sport.

[@hlalhruaitluanga3233]

Yes, you are right about higher fill pressure. I did a 250 bar fill yesterday and got 67 shots out of 115 bar and from a 205 bar fill where i have 70 bar i am getting 45 shots. So 45 shots out of 70 bar thats 1.55 bar per shots and out of 115 i was expecting 75 shots instead getting 67

[@aarondipper1985]

Its thanks to detailed analysis of shooting like this that helps the air rifle producers alot great vid and im sure its down to vids like this that convinced air arms to actually build a 510 ultimate sporter with a regulator built in, so thanks i love air arms guns there beautiful and very accurate and them adding a regulator was the only thing they needed and they have finally done that thanks to shooters like you showing them the benifits

[@RichardUttingSharpshootingUK]

This is what KZbin is all about. Outstanding work thanks

[@HUTCH-357]

the s510 r, ultimate sporter and tac all have a series 7 regulator , I'm confused why you installed a reg in a rifle that already has a reg, if your tuning then adjust the grub screw behind the anti tamper, the collar with the regulator is called a plenum which id use huma if I installed one in a s500 carbine

[@budandbean1]

Thank you for all the great info about regulators and it was great to see your testing information at the end of this video. Crazy to see that after everything else, it was just as well to leave everything set as they were at the beginning. Fascinating to see how the regulator works and your explanations were a perfect accompaniment. I certainly will check the other web sites, thanks again, his was really cool and interesting, can't wait until the next video, see ya!

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Wow! I would think Air Arms should consider the rather small manufacturing cost of adding this. I hope you sent them this video. I looked up that rifle in the USA is $1599.00 I am just a beginner but a $399.00 Marauder might not be quite as good but I am thinking of getting a regulator and a tank extension for a .25 cal Marauder to improve its shot count. The 50 ft lbs is amazing for a .25 cal . Its a shame these crazy countries limit you guys to 12 ft lbs. Awesome video series and great info on this as usual!

[@ivan868]

Also the plenum volume is very important when using a regulator :)

[@CalebMayfieldMHF]

I'd love to see a follow-up video on this after you have put a few shots(2000+) through it to see if your string smooths out. My experience is in tuning paintball markers and the principles are the same. After 2000-2500 shots on a new regulator for a paintball marker they would smooth out and produce more consistent strings. Great stuff!

[@ViniciusQ9450]

I think that the extreme spread will tight a little after 1500 - 2000 shots.. Good work man!!

[@kimshirley7014]

Awesome video once again! You have a way of explaining something technical in a way it is easy to understand. All around awesome Air Gun expert and hunter in my books!

[@Jazzy78910]

wow, epic video. I know nothing about airguns, but followed along with great interest

[@nikosdailianis6732]

There is something strange. When I fitted a regulator (not lanes) on my AA S500 I Got 20 shots in 920 fps (pressure 210-135) with the original hammer!!! But I fitted and an inertia hammer, shelf made, and then I got 42 shots in 920 fps (pressure 210-135). You get 34 shots with the original hammer in the same pressure. How is this possible?

[@AirArmsHuntingSA]

Wow that is strange. I don't know how to answer that. I am very interested in getting an inertia hammer though...

[@nikosdailianis6732]

+AirArmsHuntingSA The inertia hammer will increase your shots for sure!! May be 50%... But I don' t know if you can buy it somewhere. I can help you with photos of the dimensions and the parts for DIY (in a machine shop).

[@huntjunky1]

+Nikos Dailianis Quite a curiosity...keep in mind that fitted with a regulator, the dynamics completely change. The relationship between the regulator pressure setting and hammer tension/duration should be tuned through experimentation/graphing. When the proper combination of settings is met you will see, as stated, a near 50% increase in shot count, at your preferred velocity. This is typical with all guns and regulator combinations (Bellville or coil spring type) as opposed to the same gun, unregulated. At Robert's prices it just doesn't make sense, not to throw one in, especially with resultant ES typically reduced by 1/2.

[@nikosdailianis6732]

+huntjunky1 You are right, but i am talking about the same (approximately) adjustment. The regulator pressure was 130 bar. The guns are the same. Where is the differense? I also think that you cannot adjust the regulator pressure very high (160 bar) to find a good relationship, because you will lose a lot of shots. On the other hand, an inertia hammer can reduse the overflow of the air, when it hits to the air pin. This is possible and in low pressures because there is only one hit to the air pin.

[@huntjunky1]

+Nikos Dailianis I can only suggest that there must be something faulty with the installation or the regulator. 20 shots on a fill is something you would expect out of a .30 caliber or even a .357. It is a conundrum, given the info you have provided, especially when you consider the shot count having been reduced, by installing a regulator and all other aspects being equal. I have only seen this scenario when the breather hole is not provided or the incorrect return spring, in the regulator, is used. The inertia hammers are a great concept and are effective in application, as you have noted. It sounds like there may be an inordinate amount of hammer bounce, with the original hammer and tuning, as the inertia hammer is providing an inordinate improvement to shot count. Typically, this improvement equates to something like 5-10% rather than your 105% improvement. Hope you get her figured out. :-)

[@americanwhiteboy715]

Have a question i have a new gauntlet and it has been saying 2500 psi and and when i had it filled they have it set it for Max 3k but it shows less what is causing this

[@biscuitbuilder]

Seems like you managed to get a great result from this, I'd love to add a regulator to my Air ranger 40 ft/lbs but there isn't a very discreet way of doing it with the bottle on there. Bit annoying when you have to keep an eye on the air gauge and then estimating where the pellet is gonna be at far distances.

[@budcar9040]

Where is that video where you placed the regulator in the s510 ???

[@roberttheriot7612]

great video's. what are some of the ways to degas an air arms s510 extra .22 cal. thanks

[@kevingrimbeek2106]

Great video with even greater results. Well done, Matt.

[@ignaciogomezpinillos356]

👌muy buenos Todos tus vídeos, cual es mejor la 410 VS 510 ????

[@polishsniper8806]

2019 and still on time ;)

[@airrifletech8085]

Great work Matt, nicely explained. The thought and experimental side of things im sure will help alot of people out. Top Video.

[@lucaporetti2312]

How many shots did you get before you installed the regulator and at what power was your gun set at because I have a daystate huntsman and mine is set at 26 foot pounds and I get 30/40 shots with a 200 bar fill in .20 cal do you think i should purchase a regulator

[@odalisrodriguez5647]

Wao thanks for this info. My question is, if air arms makes some good quality guns, why they don't adapt an regulator to their guns? I'm sure they can do it why not?

[@nekeke1]

Great video!, a lot of well done work. I think no one else is better in airgun videos.

[@vansantsam]

Once the regulator is in then a person need only adjust the pressure for best accuracy.. Too little or too much pressure can alter accuracy.. Any pellet or bullet has it's best accuracy when the pellet weight and fit is optimal with the rate of twist of the barrel and matched to the correct velocity (pressure).. Most all pellets and bullets can improve in accuracy by simply adjusting the pressures (power of the push).. Not to say that every pellet can shot with the best accuracy - only to say that every pellet can be made to shoot a little more accurately.. Sometimes the 2nd or 3rd most accurate pellet in the beginning, can end up being the most accurate with a little tweaking of the pressures.. Powder burners - hand loaders and muzzle loaders know this very well where a change of even 1 grain higher or lower of powder (varying the pressures), and affect accuracy.. The same holds true with air rifles - what drives a pellet or bullet - gas pressures.. (side note - also, the speed by which the pressures are delivered - slow or fast), some times slowing the pressure delivery can improve accuracy (restricting the fast delivery of pressures (powder burners use slow burning powder)), so increasing the transfer port may in some cases be working against accuracy, because the slug of air may be delivered to quickly and not a smooth even push that gradually increases.. (pellets may behave better by starting out slow and increase speed traveling down the barrel vs a big blast jump start, which may hyper shock the pellet before it even starts to move..

[@PeakyBlinder]

0:54 its the same on the 410 but all you need to do is count your magasines, its quite easy, 6 mags and refil, the 510 regulated has the anti tamper moved up higher on the breach and airarms have done away with the m3 thread for the grug screw, they now have about a 3mm thread of m3 grub and the rest is m4 so with the regulated gun you are limited to how far you can tune your regulated gun as the grub runs out of thread and will strip the thread in the m3 then your screwed. you are far better off fitting a lane regulator as you have an m3 anti tamper thread all the way down to the transfer port so its easier to set your fp to a legal limit. rob lane regulators are top notch, i got one in my tdr 410 its a total different gun.

[@trickcyclists]

Fascinating, well done Matt.. a well thought out and well presented piece. Cheers.

[@roberthramirez6429]

Good morning AirArmsHuntingSA, you can get me out of doubt, the FX impact where the regulator leads, please respond, thank you very much for your videos

[@smellmyflower]

nice video series Matt. I was hoping for a bit for tuning info though, ie trying different reg pressures & balancing the springs to suit.

[@jonathanterhaar6223]

the web link doesnt work. I'm looking for a Benjamin Armada regulator. in your opinion is it worth upgrading the Benjamin Armada/Marauder or buying a higher price point rifle. I live the AR compatibility. Thank you for these videos.

[@andrewadams2567]

hi Matt.. So I have a Gamo Coyote PCP in 5.5. i am told it is not regulated and would like to also install a regulator.. where do i find a regulator for this rifle in SA?

[@kareemancher]

It's awesome I bought a huma reg for my spa m10 no drilling in cylinder required. just remove the rear oring where the air cylinder screws into the valve

[@65LB]

Yet another great video. Informational and technically educational.

[@johnmal801]

What caliber?? .25? Great video. Help me make my decision. Daystate HR Huntsman Regal XL or FZ Streamlime??

[@franklynlatumaelissa4817]

Can we use this air rifle for big game?? And how much fps in top pressure?

[@budcar9040]

Where is install video!!!!

[@1LonePuma]

We're curious as to the software used to produce the graph, it proved to be very useful. Excellent review, and thanks! ;-)

[@ruben_co8017]

Hi can i ask do you shoot with both eyes open of one eye closed? cheers mate

[@mcnasty3597]

What is your favorite or what do you think is THE best performing airgun/air rifle and how much does it cost... Do you need your Possession and Acquisition License to purchase/own one of these. I thoroughly enjoy your video's thank you very much :)

[@kennelldup]

Great Matt , l have been waiting for this video and I will now be installing the reg.

[@kabeloletsoalo6153]

where can I get and fit a regulator for a S510TC?

[@hagenfitzgerald1609]

is the crossmen furry 2 black out good for like rock chukes and skunks

[@huntjunky1]

Hey Matt...Excellent presentation...I can't remember if Robert's regulators are tunable for regulated pressure (yours being at 135 bar) but if so, maybe you could experiment with this setting (115 -120 bar). I found with my guns, that this feature coordinated with spring tension, is crucial in squeezing out maximum performance. With some tweeking, I obtained 10 more shots at the same ES and maintained my preferred velocity identical to yours. I have an Edgun .25 long that I've spent way too much time dinking around with :-), but it now produces 63 shots per fill with an ES of 11 fps from a fill pressure of 210 bar to 115 bar maintaining a velocity average of 913 fps w/ 24.9 grain JSBs. Welcome to the world of regulated guns...anything else just doesn't make sense IMHO. I hope Robert is giving you some deep discounts after this demonstration of marketing skills, in his behalf!!! :-)

[@SquirrelHunter]

Another really well presented and informative video, Matt! My new rapid is away having a regulator fitted plus some other mods and I can't wait to get it back ;-)

[@airgunsyaventuras8058]

Awesome! is great to know the modifications you can do to an air rifle, good stuff thanks. What you use inside those plastic bottles to make them explode like that when you shoot them.

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[@Jpmam832]

Cool video Matt, as always...

[@antoniofranco5579]

Hi Matt, great channel. I would like to know where you bought your AA S510. I'm from S.A. As well. Thanks.

[@vilayatali7628]

wich one is your favourite pellets

[@lizairma]

how many mm opened the transfer ???thanks

[@TheRusk]

You should have tried the high and the low pressure setting with the different settings. Besides this a nice test :)

[@deanmorriss7184]

What a hobby or job you have!!

[@trickcyclists]

Fascinating, well done.. a well thought out and well presented piece. Cheers.

[@FlavioSilva-rj3bl]

hello really like your videos , gostari to know if you have this control to bt65 Hatsan from already thank you !

[@wandaaaa6307]

which is the best diabolo??? Please

[@jamesthornber9056]

What editing software do you use matt?

[@dr.leonardyao5474]

Bro is there any regulator for Artemis PR900w

[@tonykindred520]

Very helpful Matt, Thanks.

[@CharleneRees-g8j]

If you fix the hammer bounce you get 4 times the shots I got same gun made new hammer de bounce hammer ! And get around 235 to 247 depending on the cold whether !! Same power 36 fpe

[@beercanshooter7680]

Excellent Video, very good work

[@airgunnv8541]

I can't believe that pcp manufacturers still make rifles that aren't equiped with a reg at the factory. Only Kalibrgun, BSA and FX come to mind, that fit them, and only the more expensive models for the last two. Kalibrgun has only expensive rifles. Heard some rumours that Hatsan will be doing it to in the near future. That would be a great thing as pcp's need one for consistent shooting. Anyway great video as always but the end is a bit too commercial orientated for my taste.

[@9929kingfish]

how many usable shots did you get without a regulator?

[@AirArmsHuntingSA]

About 20

[@marcosovereen]

se SDS

[@Exziver]

Very nice upgrade! Less room for error... :)

[@luiscervantes4539]

you haven't gone hunting in a while miss your hunting videos

[@gercoclaassens6976]

hey matt can you make a hunting vid and review of a much more inexpensive rifle.

[@andrewwakeham]

andrew Matt how much did the reg cost in rands

[@AirArmsHuntingSA]

About R1500

[@onengsimontv]

Great video sir.god bless.

[@littleike2228]

You were talking about the price and I was expecting something crazy like $500. Now that I know its only about $90 it's almost a sin not to get one.

[@ahmadalzain2187]

You are a professional 👍😊

[@pedropureza5979]

Nice video

[@Zajc3wpl]

interestingly my xs79 running on regulated paintball bottle has spread of...12fps ;)

[@antoniofranco5579]

Never mind, got it.

[@shaneweightman]

The Russian guy who won the other yr , at extreme bench rest was using probably the only gun in the competition, with an UNREGULATED, gun ,, what ya gotta say about this then ? That’s the burning question ,, thanks Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@xsamitt]

man you punch that trigger like a shot gun.. wow just go to the 9:12 min mark and see

[@lutherrhein7697]

to save you from all this headache, either get a break barrel air gun or get a real rifle. pcp is a headache really.

[@TheBuSTeR64RuS]

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[@SC-rb2jr]

Interesting video thanks. However, It's a shame to see you shooting birds.

[@سجادالقريشي-ك2ش]

روعه

[@shitfaceracer7211]

do hunting vids !

[@蒋炜-h1y]

can not believe this from south Afica. .. .. a wasted country

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[@guthans]

dartar lol

[@krysks04]

my s410 xtra fac with regulator gives me 40 . I have set up regulator at 140Bar. As always nice review mate !