Reporting from China: How this trip was different

Lesley Stahl explains why reporting this week's story for 60 Minutes was a change from past trips to the country.
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[@greenanthony5821]

Interesting. An interview of China with no Chinese interviewed.

[@CoolCat-rw6pp]

Western media with a certain narrative

[@neepers]

bruh. They get prison time if they do an interview without permission.

[@jmlin501]

It’s the report from American points of view. Real Chinese doesn’t dare to talk openly in American TV interview.

[@arafat375]

@@jmlin501nah, some are stupidly brave and do speak up. But they get punished afterwards. Covid showed us the doctor who got jailed for exposing his hospital’s condition.

[@passingbysang3381]

@@neepersThey did interview with several Chinese businesses, as they confessed in this trialer. But I guess they didn't get what they want to show. So...

[@user-oh7in9gc3u]

A Chinese man said in surprise: You actually built a time machine to travel back to China 20 years ago. This picture is so "nostalgic"😂

[@GeoScorpion]

It's a comparison of previous times that they have visited and their last visit, which was recent. Read the title.

[@bakerstreet101]

In 2024, that Chinese man is trying to cross the border into the USA illegally.

[@jsmithmultimediatech]

The shills are out in force

[@jsmithmultimediatech]

@@GeoScorpion lol there you go again making this utter nonsense up as you go along, research and analysis my foot lol.

[@PM2024-]

Why do the video clips at the very beginning look like they’re 20 years old?

[@jameschill-lr4li]

从视频中孩子们的穿着可以判断，这些关于孩子们的镜头至少20年前的。美国媒体真作。

[@catinbootsnow4267]

They are professional that they didn't use video footage of Nixon visiting Beijing for today. 😂

[@CodeMeat]

And they never talk to the original Chinese people, I mean they probably spent days to find the darkest shabby corner and added multiple filters to make it so gloomy and dim, even the sky is grey... But I bet you 90% of Aussies will just buy it.

[@PM2024-]

@@CodeMeat not really my question, wu mao

[@CodeMeat]

@@PM2024- Seems you like running around paying everyone 50cents like a sheep?

[@Zhou_Q]

Why is it that when a report talks about current events, it always uses materials from the past, and many of them still use photos?

[@TheBirdieparbirdie]

2013!

[@irritatedanglosaxon1705]

They want to hide China' clear blue skies

[@McBorgard]

This is how Western propaganda works

[@suezsiren117]

Reusing save costs. Same reason you bots write the same comments on so many videos.

[@Argus-ut8gi]

There is no need to create a real time video for a fake narrative. This helps to reduce the cost of propaganda.

[@TheWhigmister]

whats crazy is how if you keep up with things around the world, 60 minutes is always months and months or even years late to tell a story

[@michyan82]

Just curious, so who’s current then?

[@AB_AB]

It's purposeful

[@michyan82]

@@AB_AB what’s purposeful?

[@hangtuah888]

The 60 minutes is an indication that they are 60 minutes behind the eightball. 🧭🧭🧭

[@michyan82]

@@hangtuah888 my point is that the entire media has been.

[@kibetgodwin2834]

I don't see anyone with a smartphone..these are old videos probably 20 years ago

[@jackg5321]

1:51

[@renjoh]

Bro did you even listen to the video?

[@SaintSaint]

When they use archive footage, they include the year in the upper left.

[@waiu0235]

i don't know why this program is using 20 years old archive video as if they are new😂. Same as BBC, a grey filter is added to make the whole video dead like hell or under some kind of iron curtain 😅

[@wichaipongthadaporn2026]

Because they learnt and graduated from the same school of fake news making! 😂😂😂

[@catinbootsnow4267]

You should be grateful that they didn't use video records of China in the late Qing Dynasty or during Mao's rule. 😂

[@zuriyel5368]

Makes me think of how Hollywood uses an orange filter whenever they want to show off Mexico.

[@user-op4uc1bp9d]

没有把天安门坦克车视频给你搬出来，就谢天谢地，它们认为这是最大的善意~~~哈哈哈

[@firdausidris6367]

using 480p old clips in 2024 video, seems like very desperate move from western media.

[@unteroffizierh.6440]

Some video clips were produced in the 1990s, they were SO misleading

[@zapfanzapfan]

They showed their own previous reporting, did you miss the dates on the videos?

[@k.k.c8670]

@@zapfanzapfan they were there 10 years ago... Not 30

[@zapfanzapfan]

@@k.k.c8670 At what timestamp was there footage from the 1990s?

[@chuckgoodwish3897]

This is what US MSM do best. I’m not surprised at all.

[@benying9310]

This is probably a bot. Don’t bother

[@cheemsburgr]

4:32-4:39 THATS MY DAD LIKE 20 YEARS AGO!!! he says its from 2005 when he first joined AP!

[@levelazn]

so you just caught 60 minutes wasting everyone's time by reguertating old reports to create negative press on china lol

[@nukiolbartes6279]

That footage is from what time?

[@XquizitRush]

60 Minutes Overtime Reporting from China: How this trip was different 60-minutes-overtime By Brit McCandless Farmer February 25, 2024 / 7:00 PM EST / CBS News

[@nukiolbartes6279]

The video is from 2024. I mean the footage of her visiting the school. The title says “how it was different”. So seems like shes talking about two seperate visits she made to china. Im questioning the timeframe of the earlier visit she did, on which the school yard footage was seemingly made.

[@XquizitRush]

​@@nukiolbartes6279 B-roll

[@sittingduck02]

Yeah she wants to confirm the China collapse she predicted 20 years ago (like many others since the 1990s) is finally coming true. And no there is no cost whatsoever if the “prediction” doesn’t come true.

[@zapfanzapfan]

School footage says 2006, on screen...

[@kenntankerous]

Funny.. those scenes in the footages (many of which are also old footages) aren't what i experience in China. It's freaking modern and vibrant from what I experienced first hand just a few months ago when I was there.

[@hangtuah888]

Truth is not in the vocabulary of this program. Having you heard that the lies is their stock in trade. Hence they need to bamboozle the audience with the hypnotic clock timing.

[@zuriyel5368]

It's a bit like how Hollywood use an orange-y filter for whenever they want to show off some South Americana country.

[@chopinmack5418]

They learned from BBC , to put a dark filter in front of the camera 😅😅

[@ryanshiflett2178]

Selective reporting for sure, I’ve been to China myself two times. That being said, critiquing the lack of freedom of speech is valid.

[@CodeMeat]

@@ryanshiflett2178 Actually, I keep thinking about it, China is so complicated and conflicting inside, they've banned most netizens from speaking freely on the official channels, but then allowed them to curse or make up lies after lies or whatever on those influencers' channels. Also, after the disaster happened, on one hand, they will allow some straight-up lies from the influencers to fly for days and not respond, they will let all those harmful lies and emotions flood the whole nation. But even more unthinkable, they will at the same time actually delay the report on their own amazing rescue effort, and keep their own mouths shut until days after everything had been done. Like that Guangzhou sinkhole rescue mission a few years back. There are more, they have built the GFW, but just let everyone use the VPN, proxy or whatnot. After being 20 years there, and after witnessing all those strange complications and conflicts, I reckon it may be related to Confucius' teaching, like the way of harmony (avoiding conflicts), or mud-mixing mentality, or the “The wise man knows he knows nothing, the fool thinks he knows all. (清者自清，浊者自浊)” mindset. They need to learn to communicate with the outside world, they need to tell their stories and fight back this massive anti-China campaign. But I don't think the Americans will give the Chinese enough time to change, because once they do, the Americans will be forced to share the internet, and the world, then eventually losing it.

[@kengsenchong4010]

60 minutes used to be my go to trustworthy information source. Now I still get the same from 60 minutes via comments from its informed viewers.

[@GeoScorpion]

LOL! I consider myself 'informed' on China, but you should definitely fact-check us just as much as we fact-check regular media. 60-minutes and many news media are tourists to other countries and often come in looking for a particular narrative. Check out "What the Western Media Gets Wrong About Taiwan" by Charissa Wei in FP (Foreign Policy Magazine) Feb. 21, 2024 to get a little insight from a 'fixer' who works for Media companies who come to town looking for a news story. That said, my Job is Russia and China, so I and others like me, who may be informed, sometimes have trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

[@IA100KPDT]

60 minutes is now 60 minutes of lies to put US ahead and look good.

[@SaintSaint]

These "informed" users claim they can't find cellphones, that the full episode doesn't include Chinese being interviewed, and that some the footage of a "then and now" type video is old. Of course it's old! It's a comparison to the past!

[@GeoScorpion]

@@SaintSaint Yup. WuMao and Little Pinks.

[@robertwong2218]

What is the point of rebroadcasting an old news video without the new one to compare it? The only point is to mislead the viewers.

[@monipenny408]

yes, that's what western MSMs is all about. they don't do facts, they do only propaganda BS

[@firdausidris6367]

2006 video clips, what a desperation from western media.

[@monipenny408]

LMAO, to see western prop medias scraping the bottom of the propaganda barrel. Pathetic!!!

[@jc2604]

Chinese bot alert!!

[@doobtom271]

@@jc2604 check your brain, seriously, it is damaged.

[@asmith2126]

So where are the interviews with chinese people? Not much point talking to western people.

[@oishibeats5476]

Was thinking the same thing, i would never base my opinion of another country on "So called American Journalists" or An American ambassador, America is the best country in "Projection" and Propaganda. What they tell some truth and then twist it to fit the "America is better than China" Narrative or getting "followed by cars" and all that, Honestly America should put focus on their own problems, 33 trillion debt, Homeless problems, they could use some chinese houses hah and drug problems. + Americas inflation will get worse, what China seems to be doing is getting the bubble under control, America is pushing more air into the bubble via Debt. Lets see who falls from grace first my bet is America and the West. What 60min forget is China is a self-sustainable country which only lacks behind in "Chips" Which they with time will out-smart the Americans. And Chinese also started investing in "Gold" Which will be a really good investment when the "Brics" gold Currency comes.

[@rickcui6669]

you thought they come to China to see the reality, no, they come to China to keep telling the same China-bashing story 😂😂

[@DeeWeber]

Do y’all NOT READ or do you not understand what CONTEXT means???🙄

[@danielhart7351]

They are not permitted, CCP will not allow it

[@zapfanzapfan]

Maybe in the 25 minute real story? This is just extra background.

[@RasvonKoo]

So China is not a threat? Economy is crashing, demographic is bad, the US should just let China alone😂

[@user-hn4kl3fb7l]

let them be.

[@DevoteeCT]

We kind of have. But China will lash out because of these wounds, i.e. the economy, Taiwan, cyberattacks, South China Sea, immigration, etc. Expect them to try and "save face".

[@rajahua6268]

You can't say that to those American, Israeli arm dealers

[@youngc0930]

@@DevoteeCTto be fair, China is much more modest when our economy is declining coz china needs foreign investment and trade.

[@richardmackenzie1878]

@@DevoteeCT Only lashing out seems to be from America internationally.

[@jeffpotter2934]

Ten years ago, 60 minutes did a segment on a “ghost city”. Zhengzhou now has 12m people and is a growing metropolis

[@marylaistirland6864]

They didn’t want to elaborate on this!

[@luisrueda6109]

郑州 ( Zhengzhou ) has a population of 6 million.

[@luisrueda6109]

@@marylaistirland686460 Minutes did a follow up video two years afterwards. In the video they highlighted the city being populated slowly.

[@kremigmitsahne7197]

@@luisrueda6109 10.35 million (says a WESTERN website: Wikipedia). So 12 million is probably closer to the truth as Wikipedia tends to like to live in the past.

[@jrkr7357]

China has a population of 1.4 billion. In every city of about 10 cities in China, their population is larger than many other countries' population..... One should be aware that in a city of say 15 million population in China, if there are 300 blocks of unsold empty residential apartments, it's equal to a country like Singapore or Norway that has 10 to 20 blocks of empty resident apartments. So, should those empty blocks be described as Ghost Town. It's clearly an exaggeration ....

[@tonyxu1800]

If it is about China, why didn't talk with Chinese directly in this program?

[@davidchan1443]

You wont get any reliable responses by doing so, unfortunately. So many CCTVs out there on the street.....

[@listjustice6987]

@@davidchan1443 Tell you the truth, London has the most CCTVs in the world~ But it's still not safe there

[@ryanshiflett2178]

@@listjustice6987true, but he is making a point about freedom of speech, not public safety.

[@johnnydeng3488]

@@davidchan1443 if you think the CCP is always listening, then it does not matter which language is being used. Silly

[@johnnydeng3488]

@@ryanshiflett2178 So, by speaking English. speech would be free? Just that simple because you think the whole CCP do not know English at all?

[@daffyduck4195]

This 60 minutes feels like 5 minutes.

[@wq8119]

5 minutes and 39 seconds 😂

[@rap3208]

My reaction immediately was, "why are they using decade old or more videos of China?"

[@jackoneill28]

​​@@rap3208 Because showing a China that's much much much more advanced than the US is not going to help their propaganda.

[@yuppers1]

It's a featurette called "60 Minutes Overtime" - it says so in the lower left corner

[@tequilapopp9999]

Why are the US media so concerned? I'd take overabundance of housing and lowering prices over homeless & hyperinflation any day!!

[@taiwanjohn]

Most of that overabundance is what they call "tofu-dreg" construction. Those apartments are not usable, they are already starting to crumble. And, they have a lot of homelessness there too.

[@hangtuah888]

Just don't broadcast it as they need to be like mushroom, kept in the dark and fed bs.

[@tl1533]

Ha ha ha, you are so funny. Go read some books about economics.

[@rajahua6268]

And unemployment too. Oh yeh!

[@Hoo88846]

@@taiwanjohnI think the Great Wall of China still stands. Japan, Korea and Vietnamese cultures are still people’s favorite where China gave them their culture being Sinospheric nations. “Tofu dreg” projects? You mean American homeless tents?

[@stekon9112]

4:41 it is recorded in 90's. Look at the format it is 4:3.

[@putsaler13]

60minutes used a lot old pictures and videos to make the story. I have been in china 6 times. And every time I experienced better and better living for the citizens.

[@theWiggster1]

we want the original broadcast date

[@theemperorsnaked2760]

Yes! They replay these stories yet don't add the date in the title. It's as if they are replaying old propaganda films.

[@XquizitRush]

60 Minutes Overtime Reporting from China: How this trip was different By Brit McCandless Farmer February 25, 2024 / 7:00 PM EST / CBS News

[@xila-man8249]

They're using clips from 2006, pathetic

[@theWiggster1]

@@XquizitRush way to cite sources better than the source

[@theWiggster1]

@xila-man8249 and it's like, I can tell the video quality for a clue, sure. but if it's something from the 2010s with current people of interest, how am I supposed to know? the North Korea stuff is one of many good examples

[@tintin4362]

"We were told the surveillance cameras were watching our every move". Yes they are public surveillance cameras LOL. Stop trying to make it so evil sounding. London and other cities have the same amount, if helps the place be safer

[@jackoneill28]

It's strange that London has the most cameras in the world, and yet it's not the safest city in the world, far from it actually, why?

[@neepers]

It's strange that Japan doesn't need any cameras and it's safer, and far cleaner, than China.@@jackoneill28

[@wawa-vf4to]

She always said we were told. by who? She never explained

[@sarahdang9491]

Actually, it is her own story. Reporters nowadays are story tellers!@@wawa-vf4to

[@SaintSaint]

. London and other cities do NOT have the same amount. Is that what your Ministry of Information Technology told you?

[@carsonl941]

Notice how her face lights up with happiness when he tells her millions of Chinese will loose their livelihood

[@SaintSaint]

Yeah. That made me sick. It's like she thinks the CN people are our sworn enemy. What crap. I love CN people. Their govt is just in a harsh period right now. The way she reacted was disgusting. This is like being happy that a good child is beaten because you don't like his dad!

[@EarthShadowFilms]

Although an entirely different society, I could relate to those young people feeling like the only way to get ahead is to have the privilege of getting ahead.

[@danielmartin7838]

You’re talking about what was once referred to specifically as family

[@gaoxiaen1]

@@danielmartin7838 Now it's called 關係. .

[@Neojhun]

BAHAHAHA Not different at all. Same masters and policies. Just look up who Wendi Deng is.

[@cowholy3031]

George W. Bush approves this. 👍👍

[@MrDXRamirez]

“privilege” is the operative word in your sentence, in America privilege does not have a universal state of existence...not all are endowed with that privilege but all are endowed with the potential; so much is wasted.

[@zackchow6669]

yes, the real estate is in woe, but 100-150 girl -boy ratio is just untrue.

[@catinbootsnow4267]

Actually I'm thinking the reverse is happening, because now in China more families may feel better in the future and less stressful when they have daughters instead of sons. 😊

[@tigerkites]

Exactly my reaction when I heard it. So I had to rewind. I think she's saying on that perticular day or visit they were observing roughly 1:1.5 ratio. But the way she does it made it sounds like thst's the national gender ratio. China does have a gender inbalance issue, and that ratio is around 1:1.12. Its a big issue, and China does publish these stats. Western media does their things so nothing seem positive on China. And no doubt China's media does the same as things gets more contentious between the two worlds.

[@cliffling2220]

The entire 5 minutes plus program is untrue.

[@SaintSaint]

I also doubt the 100-150 ratio. It was irresponsible for them to use that heuristic technique. Though this is what happens when you can't trust the state's numbers.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

I find it somewhat ironic that a news channel that use cameras to film and to find out and capture the facts find it intrusive that other organizations like the government does the same thing with their own cameras.

[@albertdchen90]

Because media filming and govt filming serves different purposes?

[@sjc4]

NOT the same thing.

[@GeoScorpion]

The media isn't going to prosecute you and jail you for what it films. Further, I don't think anyone would even mind the cameras if the CCP used it to solve crimes, but they don't: They ONLY use the cameras to track persons who may be a danger to the State. Unless the crime is against a high-level CCP official (but, again, why bother with cameras when a mere accusation will do) NO CCTV camera footage is ever used to exonerate an innocent person and is rarely accessed to solve a crime.

[@hailyrizzo5428]

@@sjc4is that all you can say? i might as well argue I can use a camera to film people but YOU can't cuz we are not the same.

[@jdrancho1864]

a government has badges and guns, a news channel does not.

[@asan1050]

ThanksMuch for posting !

[@walhdamaskus2408]

60 min is an old aussie bias media.

[@davidlu5356]

I am glad to see that the US and China are making an effort to understand each other better. The goal won't be achieved overnight, but the initiative is encouraging.

[@josephsonners2743]

"No, you will not see that money"🤣🤣

[@joey8567]

Have you been??

[@r.r4981]

That literally happen to the US in 2008. Families lost home / future .Its quite sad hope you never have to experience something like that

[@joey8567]

@@r.r4981 And in the 80s recession

[@Jeremyho439]

@@r.r4981 You can have your home repossessed in USA, but in China, no matter what, you have to pay whatever you are liable and obliged to pay. You can dump your home.

[@ashleylaflor22]

LOL!! Savage

[@mwqjdpk]

Visited SF last month with my family. My rental got smashed in Golden Gate Park the next day. Poop, needles and homeless people all over downtown. Relatives loaded with housing, car, academic and credit card debt. 2 jobs to make ends meet. Unaffordable healthcare. I think migrants just got brainswashed by Hollywood movies about America. 0:15

[@GoldNugget138]

This US ambassodor is totally misrepresenting Chinese businesses and economic landscape. It is better if Burns spend some time trying to understanding economics.

[@jukio02]

US should worry about itself. China is fine.

[@lembafranck3490]

Like the thousands of chineses nationals begging for asylum at the us southern border ?

[@lv9657]

The anchor and ambassador are still talking like imperialists. One thing for sure, they don't need to wear bullet-proof vests while in China, one of the safest country on earth.

[@adrianx1930]

That German guy is a well-known China hawk and people should take his words with a big grain of salt. The truth is the Chinese government has set up a “white list” where developers with good fundamentals are getting government assistance to complete their projects. So in the end, some people will lose their money if they bought from developers with bad fundamentals, but many will also get their apartments.

[@user-qm8cm1dn2v]

Persecution of innocent Falun Gong practitioners is still going on in China.

[@okene]

How is he hawkish? In the full video he basically praised China throughout. Yet his one criticism has you here crying. Thin-skinned WuMao😭😂😂

[@odyssey327]

​@okene 60 minutes praised China? You must be joking. Wait for a year or so, you will know who has the stronger economy. Those booked written about China by Chinese or Westerners are there to make money.

[@gerard5975]

And Germany is in recession . Even when USA blew up Nordstream 2 they kept quiet . The industries are moving out , gas and electricity cost rose and that German bloke is worry about China economy.😮

[@aa8127]

I wish the ambassador had been asked about the danger of China holding much of the US debt.

[@slomo4672]

Be aware of what the media screams about everyday. China holds 2.7% of Treasury debt. Even all foreign countries combined don't hold too much. Most Treasury debt are owned by American institutions and individuals.

[@greg2502]

You make the common mistake of equating micro economics with Macro economics.

[@cvillefarmer]

The US social security dept holds roughly 30% of US government debt, china holds about 2.5%

[@scottschauer7088]

It’s a misdirect and you bought it.

[@sumdude4281]

You borrow money form a bank. You don't pay the bank. Who hurts more? You b/c no one will lend you money again or the bank who will never get their money back? Both?

[@davidfognini8526]

USA big Oligarchy dictatorship propaganda machine 😮

[@jake1110]

China big authoritarian dictatorship propaganda machine!

[@glumour3081]

prof. Wolff said,,, the term empty house/apartment is built only for those who don't know anything,,, whereas for China it is a long-term urbanization project,,, everything is prepared when the urbanization process is carried out

[@BuserODL]

That still doesn't make any sense. They don't have the infrastructure to take care of what they built. When they go to use it it won't be viable

[@TomTomicMic]

Well the population is empty and they are still building apartments, so Professor Wolff is a Berk!?!

[@jake1110]

This excuse has been given for over a decade now. The expected growth simply isn't there. Maybe at once time, it was promising but not anymore.

[@glumour3081]

@@jake1110 Do you think prosperity in China is evenly distributed? even cities in China are progressing gradually and it takes time.... and that's why urbanization will always be there... it's just a matter of time

[@stevemiddleton5278]

Ha ha. Naive. In the land of the CCP, if you are related to a party official or you launder bribes for him, you will get rich and live in a modern apartment. Otherwise, you live in a trash filled and claustrophobic slum (similar to the Kowloon Walled City). There is no room for honesty and integrity, and the society operates under suffocating tyranny, terror, exploitation, deception, and corruption. The party giveth, and the party taketh away.

[@Pierina.24]

Credibility instantly went down the tube when showing footages that looks like it's from 1960's. And not even sure if that's old videos of China 2:50-3:12

[@yuppers1]

At 1:10 they clearly say "we did a story ten years ago...." and then showed the old video from their story filmed 10 years ago. Please keep up.

[@Pierina.24]

@@yuppers1 And you admit they're showing fake news from a story they did in 2013 that's irrelevant today. And after the 2:39 mark, they throwing out clips from 2006 taken from who know what country that's taken off.

[@SaintSaint]

here's your ¢

[@SaintSaint]

@@yuppers1 It's almost like they can't read English, but they can use generative AI

[@Pierina.24]

@@SaintSaint You don't need to read english to know the US government spends 500 million annually to fund an anti-China campaign on social media.

[@kinchong1]

Great report that considers the current social and economic malaise from different angles. Sadly, these developments will drive the government away from continued capitalist reforms and towards re-developing the agrarian sector, and the greater prominence of state owned enterprises in the economy.

[@timogul]

A lot of that seems to be more ideological than practical, the current leaders just _want_ to be more old school "conservative values" types, rather than moving China forward.

[@KamFung]

You are interviewing the US ambassador…… It is normal local police will follow. It is the responsibility of China to protect all ambassadors in case something bad happen.

[@cshan5424]

The property buble burst, is not a problem for 90% of Chinese, that is only for the rich chinese they had the spare money to invest in the property. When the buble burst, it is their problems, and it was mostly their spare money

[@Simon12442]

Too simple too navies

[@h02ctn]

@@Simon12442 They won't go hungry. In the end the Chinese knows what really matters.

[@apt62]

Just had lunch with a Chinese banker in Paris last week. Most of Chinese people have a habit of saving and their parents will save money for their next generation.

[@96518]

That's not true. I know a few young people in China who bought properties 2-3 years ago who now find themselves with a property that is worth less than what they owe. It has become even worse than that because a huge number of people have also had their salaries cut. Anyone with any debt is in trouble. Anyone with money in housing is losing money fast.

[@CodeMeat]

​@@96518 Actually, I know many Chinese, including those in overseas, are watching the Chinese market right now, and readying the money to buy in. So it really depends on what people you are laying with.

[@Joemantler]

"We didnt have a government minder" But when you start talking to On The Street Citizens, the cops suddenly show up and shoo them away.

[@toms2733]

More of these types of media reports and comments from the ambassador = a bigger hole the Americans dig for themselves.

[@rudyalfonsus686]

do you guys really need to edit the outdoor to be soooo yellow? it looks like you put a footage that you saved since 80's

[@jake1110]

Ever been there? A very good chunk of the time, the skies are gray from pollutants. They'll say it's fog but look at their AQI's. Usually off the charts!

[@rudyalfonsus686]

@@jake1110 i went there at least 4 times a year. and it wasnt pollute at all. the day when people choke by smog already history. it was about 8 years ago when pollution really a thing in china

[@catinbootsnow4267]

​@@jake1110 Foreigners begin to understand why China is pushing green energy and electric vehicles so hard. 👍

[@zuriyel5368]

@@jake1110 That shows you've not actually been there.

[@firdausidris6367]

This video used clips from 2006.Ev cars all over China nowadays. They're not 3rd world country like aussie or usa.

[@kremigmitsahne7197]

Western media only shows those cities BEFORE they become populated with life. People could just check on Baidu "street view" how cities in China are build IN ADVANCE so everyone can find housing and then the new Cities become alive and vibrant with countless restaurants, job opportunities, malls, museums, schools, hospitals, a subway station on every square mile and full of people working and enjoying their leisure time in the evening at one of the many beautiful public spaces with lots of beautiful things to do and see. That's the power of Socialism. Whereas in the West students can't find apartments because nobody builds affordable appartments anymore.

[@barrywong4327]

OK, so this woman travelled all the way to China to interview one American high official, who is stationed in China. Naturally, he is to toe the party line and stick to the Washington talking points. Were he to say anything different, his head would roll and he knows it. So that’s the extent of the journalistic masterpiece from CBS. And, we’re all wiser now because we have learnt everything there is to know about China, a country with 1.4 billion people, 5,000 years of history and culture and the world biggest GDP in PPP terms. She could have saved the trip and did an interview over zoom. Oh no, being a brave journalist she is, one must report on the ground from the depth of enemy territory. Never mind the fact that she did not bother to interview a single expert on the ground, i.e. a Chinese citizen or an expat who chooses to live in China and not an American political apparatchik. Astonishing! Pathetic!

[@zorak1997]

Wumao

[@peternjoyce]

The typical property buyers in China need to put in a 40% down payment. That being said most of them still have a very substantial equity in their properties. Most analysts won't expect this real estate downturn in China will be as bad as the 2008 Lehmann Brothers Crisis in the US. As of now, force closure in China is almost nonexistent.

[@bullpup1337]

it’s probably way worse. the magnitude is on another level

[@peternjoyce]

@@bullpup1337 You are probably right. I would not be surprised if Evergrande and Country Garden went belly up along with some banks. But I believe that the Chinese gov't will try to protect home buyers who are using their properties as primary residences. It is Xi's intention to bring down property price so more Chinese will be able to afford to buy their first home.

[@Western_Decline]

@@bullpup1337keep inventing your own reality. He just explained to you the individual homeowners aren’t as leveraged.

[@DocMcCoy109]

​@Western_Decline. Why be mean with your remarks we all have our own opinions there is no need to be smug

[@bullpup1337]

@@Western_Decline its not just about the leverage. Its generations of savings that are being wiped out. That is even worse for the consumer confidence!

[@erickane7093]

So interesting

[@linko1998]

At least GDP is growing even if it's just 5%, look at rest of the world and you have countries like Japan and UK that are in recession. It was impossible to keep the growth of the GDP like before because the world has changed and there is deglobalization happening

[@luongo7886]

5% growth? I highly doubt that. I suspect only 2.5% or even less.

[@fuckdyoud2734]

LOL THE FIRST QUESTION HAS ME IN TEARS OF LAUGHTER. o dear god thats funny.

[@aajabbinmagosh5509]

Reporting from China without Chinese

[@rasky8616]

If you don't want problems, instead of going to show the bad side everytime, why dont you make a visit to show the good side next time. They will surely know you mean no harm. But if everytime they see you, they know you want to talk bad about them, they wont like you.

[@pipiqiqi4010]

I think they have been fellow by authorities because of they had made lots of fake report about China in the past, such as the Xinjiang genocide.

[@directxxxx71]

Wow... 21sth century report that used last century image of China, how scared they are to use the current images of China to show American public..😂😂😂😂

[@jc2604]

Look another Chinese bot.

[@rockinroland0]

I’m in Taiwan and it’s similar, since rent is so low, investing in real estate it’s worth more to NOT have tenants in your property, it will decrease in value more if it’s lived-in.

[@seymorefact4333]

😂🇺🇸⚠️ why The USA is PERFECT: 1. USA population of 340mil OF 140M work, And 70m will retire in 10yrs. 2. We have a commercial real estate ghost town. Ponzi stock and real estate market. 3. US consumers survive on credit card debt AND HELOC! 4. We have daily mass shootings. 5. Major homeless 6. High crime rate 7. Crumbling infrastructure 8. Failing education and HEALTHCARE 9. Endless WARS to enslave and loot! 10. Corruption govt and media. I'M an America in Utah.. and I'm more concern about USA than China, Russia, etc.

[@Michael9-23-15]

Just got back from Taiwan last week. I spend 2 months a year there. Mostly in Kaoshung, and I can't believe how affordable everything is! I also like the no laws on open container/ alcohol. It's nice to walk around the night market with a cold 🍺.

[@MultiMojo]

Seems like a terrible way to develop land, with vacant apartments that produce no yield.

[@4evertrue830]

That is just silly. Real estate does not decrease in value when people live in it. It actually increases in value.

[@SaintSaint]

@@4evertrue830 I agree with you. But as devil's advocate: Tenants can damage property.

[@johnnynephrite6147]

The depth of the problem is not even covered here. Occupancy rates in even the first tier cities is far below what we see in the West. Often wealthy owners buy apartments in the cities and leave them sitting empty rather than renting them out since rents don't really amount to that much money. It's a different ballgame over there for sure.

[@96518]

I read this incredible book by a lady called Anna Lee who wrote a novel basically extrapolating China's current situation (its housing market, a detailed examination of demographics, Taiwan, and increasing control) into the future. It seemed really plausible and predicts trouble ahead, but predicts that neither a complete economic collapse, war nor a revolution will occur. It was a fascinating read. It think it was called The Middom Project - Folio 1647, but I might have the number wrong.

[@tomtom-do2ly]

This is not necessarily objective. We should have our own thinking.

[@PranicEnergy]

​@@tomtom-do2ly, OK, go back to your room and think some more.

[@hangtuah888]

With due respect, it is a book and fictional as unless she is a fortune teller, all are mere conjecture.

[@96518]

Of course it is fictional because it talks about the future and some events will almost certainly pan out differently to what is described in the book. However, the writer obviously is very bright and has a very deep understanding of China's economy, history and society which makes the book an incredibly interesting read. It is not a book about politics, it is about the social challenges that China faces and how they could be resolved. 1984 is still a great book and reveals many truths even today despite also being speculative fiction. Sounds like you need to read more.@@hangtuah888

[@96518]

We should get out of our echo chamber and listen to opinions that do not conform exactly to our own. That way we might learn something. You seem to be wanting to imply the book is not objective without reading it.@@tomtom-do2ly

[@beyonderic]

A visit to China, but didn't interview any Chinese. A Chrono Cross too.

[@ZJerryZ]

The boy-to-girl ratio is more like 115:100 than 150:100.

[@AmericanDrinker]

Agreed. I am Chinese

[@toryworldmusic]

That's still really, really bad. A bunch of men without wives usually leads to issues.

[@SaintSaint]

@@AmericanDrinker "AmericanDrinker" is Chinese everybody. What a surprise. But yeah. I think the 150:100 was very unlikely too. That would be gob-smackingly insane. 115:100 is already insane. Unrelated to the topic, but did you know that some Chinese can't process alcohol the same way?! So if you have a Chinese friend, be extra certain you're not accidentally obligating them to drink when you do!

[@kevinsu8310]

Media credits comes from objectivity. Every society is complicated and multifaceted. Talk to different groups and hear what they have to say. The problem is, who are the different groups that can puzzle out the comprehensive view of the society? (Students, young graduates, farmers, white collar, small business, large corporates, businessmen, business owners, locals, foreigners etc. )And How many of them can you find? If you only talk to people from a very specific group for convenience or presetting purpose , you will only get a distorted perspective.

[@Western_Decline]

They go to China, only to talk to other Whit-e people. Shockingly biased and sad. Not journalism.

[@Western_Decline]

the West does not understand that they are the most propagandized people on earth.

[@sclarsen86]

Hard to get a well-rounded view when the government won't let the reporters talk to everyone.

[@seymorefact4333]

😂🇺🇸⚠️ why The USA is PERFECT: 1. USA population of 340mil OF 140M work, And 70m will retire in 10yrs. 2. We have a commercial real estate ghost town. Ponzi stock and real estate market. 3. US consumers survive on credit card debt AND HELOC! 4. We have daily mass shootings. 5. Major homeless 6. High crime rate 7. Crumbling infrastructure 8. Failing education and HEALTHCARE 9. Endless WARS to enslave and loot! 10. Corruption govt and media. I'M an America in Utah.. and I'm more concern about USA than China, Russia, etc.

[@slypear]

@@sclarsen86 Exactly this. Thank you.

[@vamoua4036]

There’re hardly any Chinese homeless people anywhere in the world. I’m sure it’s a significant issue in their life tracing back nowhere other than the Mainland.

[@kendalson7100]

Good to see Lesley Stahl again.

[@jerryrichardson2799]

_60 Minutes_ is way behind the curve on this, but there's so much to report on and trips to China weren't feasible for about 3 years, because of covid, and I'm sure reporting from China is _expensive._

[@firefly4326]

60minutes Australia reporting with time machine back to the past😂

[@tondematongo32]

In China's view it makes no sense to want to have a 10%gdp growth out of massive debt....just for the point of saying we had a high GDP growth...whilst in the long run the massive debt will definitely cripple the economy

[@oishibeats5476]

Fact, what people also forget is China is a self-sustainable country honestly, when they get on the same level on chips which is the only sector they lack behind and they will get there because there is way more hardworking and smarter people there so its only about time. America loves to project China yet America is not a self-sustainable country thats why they have 33 trillion in debt.

[@EmptyZoo393]

A lot of people will take the long term hit if it means saving facing, at least in the short term. Over in the East with a shame-based society, it's even worse in that getting caught and called out is often considered worse than doing something wrong in the first place. Difference cultural mores.

[@jackoneill28]

How dare you think in the long run? That is undemocratic!

[@lagrangewei]

people don't understand china, they think in term of their own political understanding which is entirely fantasy and fail to realise alot of what is happening in china is well understood and predicted and is just the normal and expected correction. china is neither crashing nor miracle, it simply is what it should be. the fact remains, that despite US threat of decoupling and tarriff, US has not succeeded in changing the trade reality of itself much less the world. China has already become the center of world trade which is it natural state in the world for centuries.

[@user-gn5uf7ze8v]

说的好。 美国的巨额债务叫人担心😂😂😂😂

[@shelbynamels7948]

01:25 most of those apartments look really nice. I'd love to live in one, especially if I had the entire floor to myself.

[@eyobgebretsadik278]

Amazing work.

[@CodeMeat]

amazingly bad

[@suckmemore]

sounds like you have very low bar!

[@flyovermars8604]

pretty sure the German guy said more that were not supporting the report

[@slypear]

In what sense?

[@catinbootsnow4267]

Use the negative part while skipping the positive part. Journalism at its best. LOL

[@neepers]

for sure. German guys know if he slanders China he'll be kicked out so they cut snippits that suit the narrative 60minutes wants.@@slypear

[@MrBlack-vd2ws]

Everyone saying it’s fake news. At 1:10 they say the footage is from a story they did a long time ago.

[@levelazn]

it's called propaganda, if they have to go back that far to find compelling footage that means that can't actually witness a real issue while in china

[@wodeqiangne]

China have thousand of cities and u guys found the most famous ghost city

[@inqwit1]

How does this conversation mesh with the Chinese auto industry?

[@utopianna]

Ambassador Nicholas Burns really talked straight and yet was calm and convincing about how important the U.S./ China relationship is. Great report.

[@justinvelez9796]

That's what you took from it for real?

[@levelazn]

he said china is growing at 5.3 percent is unsustainable. while in the u.s a 2.5 percent rate is hailed as historical achievement by the biden administration lol

[@attsealevel]

Actually, the US economy grew at 3.2% in 2023 (and that's after the Fed's best efforts to suppress that growth). However, China's economy is now the largest in the world. That's based on PPP (which is the only real way to compare economies). In fact, it's now over 1.5x larger than the US. However it's net wealth (total assets - liabilities) still runs less than 60% of US. And altho China's national debt picture is starkly better than the US, it's Total Debt (national + local govt + private debt) is only slightly better.

[@censorbleep3018]

Found the wumao!

[@censorbleep3018]

@@attsealevel Ah yes, lying with statistics . . . that old trick. China is closing factories by the thousands, restaurants and coffee shops are closing by the tens of thousands, international airports are deserted, real estate and banks are collapsing, and the world is moving on to India, Mexico, and other suppliers. Oh yes, and all numbers about "growth" (actually shrinkage) are cooked by the CCP - who are so terrified, they stopped publishing unemployment stats. China is in serious decline.

[@shyamfootprints972]

wow! brilliant investigative journalism. Except that it is exactly 2 years old. Was this shot in 2021 and that old lady forgot to upload it then?

[@speicaldark]

Where did you get 2021? Burns didn't become the US ambassador to China until 2022. There are some old footages from 2013 and 2006, but 'this trip' with Burns being the ambassador and the housing market collapse are obviously very recent.

[@shyamfootprints972]

@@speicaldark The housing market collapsed in 2021 and even my dog knows that the chinese economy relies excessively on housing for GDP growth. Adding the two doesn’t require investigative journalism, no matter who the ambassador or the president was.

[@speicaldark]

@@shyamfootprints972"Was this shot in 2021'. Still no, because Burns wasn't the ambassador then. If your dog knows about the Chinese economy, perhaps you could try to learn from your dog and get your logic right.

[@DeeWeber]

How are we leveraging this?

[@davidzhu3847]

No worries. Everything comes with arrangement.

[@winnie3435]

That is not a question of the down-payment can be seen or not. Actually you need to keep paying for the mortgage even you can't move in.

[@frankzhang8065]

Not to mention the content, the grey filter used in these lenses tells you what's going on. Utter and habitual discrediting

[@user-hn4kl3fb7l]

DO NOT FALL FOR THE CROCODILE TEARS.

[@Justintm]

lol I just realized too. 60 min using old videos from 20 years ago and making it look like it was clips from their most recent trip. Why do that?

[@catinbootsnow4267]

I guess our host and guests on 60 minutes have little understanding of China's traditional culture of working hard and eating bitterness to move forward into a better future, no matter what the current challenges they are facing.

[@catinbootsnow4267]

If they could manage to learn where today's China is from decades ago, what China has gone through in the past century, why none of problems in the current situation is unbearable to the Chinese government and the people.

[@SaintSaint]

@@catinbootsnow4267 You make very good points. The Chinese people are resilient. I know they will weather this. I'm just annoyed that we're even fighting.

[@NorCalMoDo]

now i am going to watch this program. I'd anticipate a high quality "60 min". Let's see...

[@willyang4487]

Does this reporting have a longer version?

[@kenyup7936]

Try their paramount plus plans , maybe has a longer version idk

[@tequilapopp9999]

Yes, just read up on Gordon Chang's "The coming collapse of China" book written in 2001... the west has been reporting various versions of this for the past 30+ years, maybe one day it'll come true

[@ultrabear1583]

this is not a piece of reporting, this is just pure propaganda.

[@Western_Decline]

@@ultrabear1583exactly.

[@severusrogue259]

I've always find it hilarious when some people are bashing quality journalism like 60 minutes with "propaganda" without mentioning why this qualifies as propganda. Let me guess, you're a "wolf warrior diplomat"' ?

[@Y2KMillenniumBug]

It's very calm already. China and America is an individual in Malaysia.

[@raumfahreturschutze]

Holy heck you see the China defence force out in full force for this one. These comments are insane.

[@SaintSaint]

Yeah It's a who's-who of wumao

[@tonycheung9358]

The US is worrying too much about China.

[@jake1110]

Dude, this is one news segment. There are countless media outlets and probably 5% at most report on China on a given day.

[@SaintSaint]

Yeah... probably because we've been placing our capital expenditures(buildings/machines) over there since 1970's. We ran our first trade deficit in 1975 and we haven't recovered since! This isn't because we're not working. It's because we exported our cap expenditures/talent/manufacturing to "emerging markets." Now more Americans have jobs designing things instead of manufacturing them. So, when Russia commandeered all USA businesses, the USA lost all of that capital(just 3% or $200B of our total foreign direct investments). For perspective, the UK received $1T in investment money from the USA just last year alone(not total). Stealing US capital is a good deal for Russia, but only in the short term as other investors(US or otherwise) are rightly concerned that the same thing could happen to them. Additionally, as has been stated, this is less than 5% of our news. No worries, brother. We're on this planet together and we can win together. Oh! There's a site called ground news that I've started liking. It's ai powered new conglomeration.

[@disappearintothesea]

Other countries have declining birth rates too: Singapore, Italy, South Korea, Japan

[@nigelrhodes4330]

Yes but their depopulation rate is nothing to that of China, Italy is close but the rest are nowhere close to them.

[@bullpup1337]

china is becoming the “oldest” country in the world…

[@boiscooka232]

​@@nigelrhodes4330lil bro don't know China have 1.4 billion people 😂 even half of them gone 700 million population is 7x bigger than Japan 😂

[@boiscooka232]

​@@nigelrhodes4330if USA can become Super power with 300 Million population I don't get why China can't do the same with 700 million population 😂

[@hermesliteratus882]

Not to mention some of the Eastern European countries.

[@tpatrickl9539]

Good insight! I lived in China for almost 2 years. You get a lot of experience learning about it being there. You saw some good things I think. Thanks for filling in people about China these days.

[@joey8567]

America gives opinions when they've never been or seen another country. Most don't realize how many store brands and eateries that are in other countries.

[@slypear]

@@joey8567 Care to elaborate?

[@joey8567]

@@slypear Tired of explaining it

[@VongolaSekundes]

you lived in a rural village in China?

[@joey8567]

@@VongolaSekundes I keep an apartment there.

[@purplemist2779]

I see a donkey talking to a buffalo

[@shelbynamels7948]

Leslie Stahl, huh. I was just watching an episode of Murphy Brown in which she and other newsies co-starred. /Surprised she's still at it forty or so years later.

[@APerchOfPillows]

“Chinese authorities pretty much left us alone EXCEPT THERE WERE CARS FOLLOWING US.” Them being with you is somehow you being left alone?

[@SaintSaint]

yeah... no wonder people can't point out their problems to their govt.

[@mikeyg1776]

Hit the 60 mins with a spam and misleading report. This is inaccurate and misleading

[@daniel_berlin]

I’m sure it was disappointing that there wasn’t any interference by some government officials.

[@AlTSM370]

It’s crazy that they see the downfall of prosperity for 1.4 billion people as something to support!

[@hangtuah888]

Yes, they are trying to hide the fact that they are indebted to the tune of $34 trillion to the rest of the world. Always good to point to other countries problem.

[@SaintSaint]

Yeah. I don't like how happy she was. This is a dour situation.

[@phillycheesesteak333]

Imagine what the US could do if the US would focus on the economy like a laser.

[@johnnytran800]

The footage they were showing look's Like it was from a VHS tape 😂

[@TheVic18t]

Maybe you need to get off that 56k modem internet. It’s all in HD

[@SaintSaint]

@@TheVic18t You're talking to a 50¢

[@akbeal]

Any company would be crazy to invest or do business in that place.

[@fexe9017]

So u gonna boycott Costco? Beeech please

[@kenyup7936]

Disney ,Mcdonald starbuck KFC, AMD, intel, apple, microsoft, so on

[@timogul]

@@fexe9017 It makes sense to buy products from China. It does not make sense to build your own infrastructure inside the country.

[@voongnz]

Companies have for decades and have made serious bank for decades and will continues to.

[@willyang4487]

Then I bet many western companies are “crazy”😂.

[@daniel_berlin]

Unfortunately, US media seem to be in a very bad state.

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

Meanwhile in America I make 75k a year and my wife makes 70k and we are barely able to keep a roof over our head.

[@jrobbin24]

Doesn’t it make you sick?? They don’t even make it possible to improvise to survive because of codes and licenses

[@hermesliteratus882]

The hyperinflation in the US is going through the roof and the UK economy is just down the toilet, meanwhile these people are only concerned about China's GDP growing at 4.3 percent a year.

[@livelirah9109]

Everytime MSM reporting about china looks scary always look likes the end of the world however what they missed about China or asian as a whole is the asian culture or the way of thinking one simple example is that most asian people preferred saving money rathan than spending on borrowed like credit or loan. So in case of economics disaster they would do better than the western counterpart. My point is that Chinese people maybe unemployed but majority of them aren't broke reason being they have families to rely on.

[@stvjjgcj]

insane

[@hermesliteratus882]

Why are these people always concerned about China's economy while our own economy is down the drain?

[@isaacisaac2380]

Why Burns never went to Xinjiang puzzles me.

[@edenassos]

How much virtue signaling do you on a daily basis while living paycheck to paycheck?

[@tonycanton5611]

He is afraid to see Uyghurs everywhere on the street. How should the United States deal with the lie of "genocide"?😂