Whether China's Growth can be Sustained, Global perceptions of Israel-Gaza, Labour-LibDem Bad Blood

[@Wob-rt1sc]

I’m politically homeless these days, but the intellect, knowledge and experience of foreign affairs both Rory and Alastair have between them is awesome. In this unsafe world I yearn for these two to get back into politics. I’ve listened to the podcasts from day one, and I’ve learned so much from you both. Thank you so much and long may it continue.

[@mauribonada2425]

Educated voters are better If you respect democracy.

[@001nufcnufc]

Listen to them all again thru the lens of the financial crash and hopefully you'll realise Campbell is doing what he's does best - bullshitting. Then go read some books

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

⁠@@001nufcnufcThe financial crash was caused by Thatcher deregulation the financial markets

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

Hard to believe these two are from opposite sides of the lobby. I wonder if they were in the same party if they could agree on anything

[@stephenkeogh3287]

Love this podcast. Educational, thought provoking, civilised.

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

Same and now subscribed

[@Meidaneh_Shush]

You guys should really add timestamps to the video or put them in the video description. It helps people go to topics they wants to hear immediately or want to find again. It's an important addition to these type of information heavy talks.

[@darren_bassett]

Great podcast. I love long form discussion. I think we crave this style of discussion more and more, rather that short clips provided by the legacy media.

[@johnl7710]

An excellent listen. These two seem to be able to make any discussion quite absorbing. Keep it up chaps we need a glimmer of hope at the moment.

[@jonathanrobinson2628]

This has (in a heartbeat) become my very favourite KZbin channel. Brilliant and informative discussion on the most important matters.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Yeah I think they accidentally hit the algorithm's Israel wave and we've all accidentally discovered how engrossing and smart they are. Or at least they sound like they are, the posh accents help 😂 I hope they figure that out and make this format their thing. They only started uploading these videos in the last month or two.

[@alanhat5252]

Informative, yes but it has to be filtered through the fact that both have been in English governments, the power broker for which is Israel.

[@Enhancedlies]

yeah apart from he insufferable Campbell

[@alanhat5252]

@@Enhancedlies I am impressed by your martyrdom. Oh wait, this is KZbin, there's literally several million other channels...

[@Enhancedlies]

i just love Rory enough that he can get me to sit through his drivel...@@alanhat5252

[@Narg_Smart]

Thanks for uploading these to KZbin guys! Glad you’re back on here!

[@blehoo1]

Best political thing around right now. These two are just excellent together. Why did the Tories not choose Rory Stewart when they had the chance?

[@tonywilcock6334]

100% agree

[@tmarritt]

Coz popularists

[@jondarbyshire-s7k]

Because the modern Tory is full of far-right Fascists,

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

I just read his wiki, it says during his campaign he admitted to smoking opium at a wedding in Iran. Ya'll really don't recognize a good thing when you see it.

[@rosalindchurcher8028]

Why indeed?

[@lsb9073]

How is Boris Johnson NOT elitist in Nadine Dorris's eyes?.

[@delphipascal]

Just like we wonder how Trump is the blue collar hero to some yanks

[@falafel4618]

Exactly - he was at Eton with Cameron, Rhys-Smug and Guppy!

[@rockydopeydoge6730]

The fact that he can’t string a sentence together without umms and errs

[@johnwright9372]

Boris not elitist?

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Mental gymnastics, that's how. The same way other working class people convince themselves that they will be rich one day, so they better vote Tory...

[@gdr1174]

This is easily the most informative political commentary around at the moment

[@elliejobonney2926]

🎯

[@pantrywarriors9577]

that is a very embarassing take

[@Rustinho]

@@pantrywarriors9577 - embarrassing for pretty much every other media company (certainly in the UK at least). Watching something like this reminds me just how much we miss serious solid long form political interviews by knowledgeable interviewers like Brian Walden, Robin Day, etc. but there are so few credible journalists left these days able to do it. Jeremy Paxman is pretty much retired and was never quite a long form interviewer, Andrew Neil is capable but has his own issues that leave him more compromised than would ideally be the case and I'm at a loss to think of anyone else that gets close to them, who both aren't quite up to the high standards set by the previous generation.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@Rustinho As an American I don't know any of those names but the other day KZbin out-of-the-blue served me an hour long debate on Vietnam that was televised in 1969 between William F. Buckley and Noam Chomsky. I was watching it just thinking: I can't believe this is what mainstream media political discourse used to look like. How did we lose this?

[@alanhat5252]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Noam Chomsky is still commentating. His speech is getting a little slow now but his mind is still totally on the case.

[@davidpeppert9168]

Excellent discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed. Rory has a colossal intellect which is sadly lacking in many of his erstwhile colleagues 😂. A very enjoyable episode..

[@nicolaiqbal6823]

I always listen to the podcast but it nice to have these videos, where you can see these guys not just hear them.

[@JC-KeepSmiling]

Such lovely informative debate with good points made. How I wish politics was still like this.

[@bookie5667]

Was it ever like this? For example, during the first election after WWII in 1945 Churchill compared Labour to the Nazis and claimed they would have to fall back on some sort of a Gestapo to push through reforms..... that's the same Labour Party that Churchill had spent most of the war in coalition with.

[@mattinterweb]

British politics & World politics needs more of this. Time stamps would be great.

[@kbrp5493]

Very much enjoyed this, thanks both.

[@jamescatt5178]

Adding ‘chapters’ into the vids would be great chaps. Keep up the good work though. Also, would love to hear the views on what seems to be an increase in American isolationism and it’s potential impact on the UK with candidates such as Vivek, RFK Jr, etc

[@pw323]

If only my government would take a step back! Americans are tired of hearing politicians go on an on about why we need to support this and that country or cause. Not because Americans don’t care - our ancestors are from every part of the world, we care very much. But most of us have learned the hard way that our hard-earned taxes wind up supporting “causes” that do not serve the interests of Americans or the world. Our education and healthcare systems are deteriorating, and most people have to work obscene hours just to stay afloat. The interests of large corporations and lobbyists dominate our international politics. This isolationist trend stems more from a distrust of politicians than a sense of apathy for world affairs. Perhaps it is simplistic thinking, but sometimes I wonder if the world might be a better place if we stopped sticking our noses in everyone else’s soup. I don’t believe any country can or should step away completely from foreign affairs, but in the case of the USA, we might be doing the world a favor by turning down the volume some.

[@alanhat5252]

RFK Jr's membership of the _Disinformation Dozen_ should be a consideration for voters.

[@CloudhoundCoUk]

It's an excellent informative podcast. Suggests we are living in ever greater danger.

[@gustheriaga1654]

Chaps…it is individuals like you that must rise up, unite more serious and open conversations and make them more mainstream. We can do SO MUCH BETTER!

[@gustheriaga1654]

A great idea would be to do a deep dive into our parliament and local governments….expose the inefficiencies and downright bonkers things we see actually doing. Wasting time just talking about problems, we must find better leaders and reform the shitstems….the righting is on the wall.

[@MrAlexwhiteside]

Great podcast, and these two have earned huge respect in my books. I will point out though that I am watching this, having already listened to it (wanting a second sweep of the China conversation) and its definetly been edited differently. I feel this is a transparency breach -- i'm not sure if the conversations been changed meaningfully. Big fan, but a bigger fan of transparency. This matters in our world of disinformation.

[@colintwyning9614]

RoryStewart= depth ,analysis,concern, vision,sublety and intelligence. Everything i expect a tory to be ignorant of. STUNNED!

[@TheAtual]

I think, like 1997 the electorate have become fed up with the consequences of conservative policies and they want a change. I just wonder what difference a Labour government will really make, more competent maybe but fundamentally very little in terms of policy. As to the Israeli- Palestinian crises, I don’t see any solution unless the Israel’s are willing to let humanitarian aid enter Gaza and stop encroaching on land occupied by the Palestinians. When you look at China and India, we are seeing the final frontier of the growth of capitalism and maybe we are seeing the limits to exponential growth approaching. What I think we have to consider is what comes if we are reaching the natural limits to growth and how to deal with a transition from a capitalist model to a sustainable ecological model of development.

[@alanhat5252]

All of those points are favourably addressed by the Green Party which is why so many of us will be voting for them.

[@davidsteel9491]

Is it just me or is there irony in Campbell talking about preventing wars

[@Wob-rt1sc]

We need to move in from all of that. I didn’t have much time for Alastair back then but he’s brilliant in these podcasts discussing issues with Rory. They talk about the Iraq war in some of the previous podcasts.

[@GoGoTwice]

Really essentially viewing and listening, informative and well-rounded, lots of ideas and questions

[@alanrobertson3172]

It was a brilliant idea to put these 2 together……

[@sinisajovanovic7199]

Great podcast, greetings from Serbia👍

[@brianlauria]

LOVE THIS PODCAST -- PLEASE AT SOME POINT COVER THE HOUSING CRISIS

[@alanhat5252]

there's not much to tell on the housing crisis, it's simple corruption aimed at driving house prices up.

[@l33jcm]

Excellent discussion, guys!

[@junehouse3258]

I find your chats fascinating & so informative. Thank you

[@williamcorden2121]

I've visited China quite a few times now ( my wife is Chinese) and it's hard to understand, until you go there, the absolute anthill of activity the place is. I remember thinking "I don't know about their export capabilities but they seem to be having enough of a problem just keeping their own population fed and watered" As Rory said , Chinese statistics are mostly fantasy and trying to delve into any details about them is just a fool's errand. What is coming through loud and clear from my wife's conversations with her friends back in Guangzhou is that there is a massive slump. The opportunities for youth, which were boundless just a few years back, have disappeared, as have their opportunities to go overseas and pick up lucrative employment in the tech industry or attend Universities. Maybe there will be some jobs payback on their investments in the belt and road policy as they realize that they have to employ their own people, who are more productive than almost all of the locals but they have to ride out this present slump before that happens. Their youth are just like our youth here , waiting for their parents to pass on the wealth of the property markets they prospered on. Living at home with your parents in China has no element of shame in it. But a good chunk of that wealth has evaporated, as has the investment by foreign multinationals who have belatedly realized that opening a factory in China wasn't the printing press they thought it would be. China has instituted foreign exchange controls that limit the amount of money that can be taken out of the country in any given year (I don't know whether it applies to companies) , they have a member of the CCP on just about every board, and that national political characteristic of inscrutability has come to the fore. McDonalds and Holiday Inn don't like having foreigners sitting in on their board meetings, that's for sure. Factories are therefore moving to more amenable places like Vietnam or Cambodia or, for that matter, any other country desperate for development, proving that the titans don't learn from prior lessons, viz; Once you've got your factory up and running in another country you are at the mercy of the government of that country What is more surprising to me though is that the Chinese citizens (at least the ones we're in touch with) are fiercely and proudly nationalist and won't hear one bad word against their leadership, pointing to (and maybe I'm wrong) the fact that democracy isn't necessarily the best solution for every country. Some people need to be led and have no problem in giving a leader total power, this has been the historic past of the MIddle Kingdom.

[@快一点我只想看见血流]

amazingly accurate

[@williamcorden2121]

@@快一点我只想看见血流 I admire their ethics They've been pretty much self sustaining throughout most of their history, they haven't invaded other countries and they seem quite happy to be insulated from the rest of the world. This last economic boom is just a blip in Chinese history, they really have no interest in being the policeman of the world. Just leave us alone, let us manage our own culture within our boundaries, let us manufacture and no matter what you do , the rest of the world will buy stuff from us. Don't lecture us on our social policies, you have much worse problems in your own city centers than we do.

[@快一点我只想看见血流]

True, Chinese gov has their own theory, might be odd or even authorism in the western perspective, but its obviously worked in the past decades, and led China becomes the biggest beneficiary in the globalization era. But its true that every countries have their own issues and challenges, and nowhere in the world is heaven on earth. So its truly lovely to see some sharp insights from differnet people, no matter the insights from u or the gents on the podcast

[@快一点我只想看见血流]

@@williamcorden2121 So that I dont like Rishi on the campaign strategy that claiming connecting China with anti-Ukraine and anti-semitism when he running out of his idea, though I do agree with him on some certain points. This is not a good move for the Chinese communities in the UK no matter u are a pro-democratic Hongkonger or a Mainlander. If UK want to remain independent diplomatic figure or even isolationism, China is not a good choice to stand up against, just look at how France and Germany did.

[@carolewiles9344]

Hey from Adelaide, South Australia.

[@mtb5778]

'not going to waste a crisis' great quote.

[@SO-rq3pm]

Have been following closely all the internal news about China, especially those not attracting attention from the West, I can testify that what Rory said is pretty accurate and updated.

[@ianharker2338]

Time stamps for topics covered in the video would be a greatly appreciated touch :)

[@spartacusforlife1508]

Amnesty International point to crimes committed by groups and nations without fear or favour. Read their report on Hamas and their criticisms then read their criticisms of Israel. Then look how Israel and America point to amnesty internationals hamas criticism but reject the criticisms of Israel. You have to ask yourself " who do you believe"

[@lsb9073]

You really need to emphasize just how many of those settlers are radically religious American Jewish immigrants. I distnguish between radical and ultra-religious. Ultra-religious really dont care about anything but strict adherence to the myriad daily rituals as prescribed by the various middle-ages Rabbis interpretations of the Torah. They are traditionally absolutely non-violent. The radically religious are literally no different than radical Islamists.

[@nadiadixon5805]

I found this very interesting especially on China...my mother used to look after foreign students that came to Bath University and they would always come to our house for a meal. Around 1970 a group of Chinese students who wanted to become interpreters arrived, all dressed in little grey suits they asked me to teach them swear words because no one else would teach them, as a 16year old I tried to help them out...😂

[@IHZALewis]

And now, the Chinese economy is several times England's. Interesting transformation! And this is only the beginning.

[@stevendenny7260]

The Chinese Economy, when considering the last 2000+ years as a whole, has been the largest economy by far. It is really only by mid 1800's did the West start to come anywhere near to it... and they did so at the end of bayonet.

[@davidallen513]

Rory Stewart is awesome. He is knowledgeable and practically bombproof with his reasoning. He has a measured opinion of politics and worldview. Love it, keep it going.

[@ianbowie5096]

Great podcast. The piece explaining what happened since 1967 was partic interesting.....how come UN or US didn't "force" Israel to keep to the agreed borders... historical right ro that land doesn't cut it. .isn't that the same argument that Putin is using for Crimea and Ukraine!! It feels like the illegal settlements should have been stopped immediately and maybe US should look and see if they did enough to smdissuade uccessive Israeli governments forfacilitating them.

[@jonathaneffemey944]

Thanks for posting

[@Leningrad_Underground]

May I add a thought? having reduced a fair amount of the infrastructure in and around Gaza to rubble they have constructed an excellent defensive environment. (Monte Casino) The IDF as a conscript citizen army is very sensitive to casualties. Likely that Hamas have prepared for an incursion for some time. likely as not with extensive tunnel connections (Vietnam). There will be no rolling in with armoured columns, The Ukraine conflict has shown the vulnerability to light infantry carried Anti tank weapons. The environment of conflict has changed radically and rapidly. Hence the pause or reluctance on the part of the IDF for a ground incursion.

[@alanhat5252]

Who deleted my comment & why?

[@davefloyd9443]

There's a bit of it about right now...😮 Ryan McBeth did a casualties analysis of a potential ground invasion. In it he included a criticism video from his ex boss in US military analysis. The chap advised that IDF and civilian casualties should be revised upwards due to Ryan failing to incorporate information about Hamas having access to shaped charge IEDs which they have embedded into the walls of buildings and tunnel roofs.

[@Joona.Lukala]

Best podcast ❤ thank you

[@nickdoughty518]

The formula is simple. Give these topics the time for proper discussion and bring lots of facts and experience into the mix.

[@remikatsandeuj3699]

Great analysis and debate from 2 fab people.

[@elliejobonney2926]

I love these two together ❤️ xxx

[@hensh911]

I really enjoyed hearing Rory swear, even if he was quoting 😅

[@MazzaEliLi7406]

Thank you.

[@linuxretrogamer]

12:21 while no one can in good conscience say anything to defend the initial abhorrent actions of Hamas, One thing that has certainly struck me from watching even the earliest footage of the crises broadcast by the BBC is the seemingly international (western nations) approval of apparent war crimes by Israel.

[@alanhat5252]

The "abhorrent actions of Hamas" weren't "initial", to Palestinians this started in the 1870s though many didn't take it seriously till 1920. Israel didn't form Hamas till 1987. Even the current phase is a few years old, starting with Sheik Jarrah.

[@Listlesscheese]

Rory, why would a Scottish vote for Labour be disproportionate? How should we apportion votes? Should those privately educated and white and male and English get 4 votes?

[@smoozerish]

Great programme, guys. Keep it up.

[@KhelderB]

Does anyone have a source pointing to Shenzhen possibly not being able to maintain it's metro network?

[@billybhoy32]

I cannot understand how Nadine Dorries does not consider Boris Johnson an elitist, and part of the establishment.

[@xtxrx2349]

Great to see 100k subscribers for this.

[@sama3033]

I've been on the train from Nairobi to Mombasa in 2014. It was quite the adventure! 23 hours of joyful chaos in British built carriages from the 1950s. The Chinese have probably ruined it.

[@heather7535]

Can't tell if you are joking or being serious.

[@pka1013]

Rory thank you for being honest and nuanced. I don’t agree with all your analysis but i can’t doubt your integrity Nethanyahu’s support of Hamas has been openly discussed in Israeli papers for years, yet Western media hasnt spoken one word of it. I agree with Alaister, there appears to be a concerted effort in Wester Media to not critise Nethanyahu even when his own country is protesting agaisnt him

[@lauchlanguddy1004]

well the Zios set up Hamas probably with CIA, to get rid of Fatah and also assassinated Arafat with Polonium??

[@alanhat5252]

Western Media led by Murdoch who is to be seen hobnobbing around the Knesset as much as anywhere else in the world.

[@olivermiles1851]

Thank you for using the word colonising. It’s accurate to the nth degree in the Palestinian case.

[@beckfordp]

The housing market in China, had become a classic bubble. The interesting thing is what the Chinese Govt policy has been.. Xi has said that housing is for living in, and not speculation. The Govt has been partially responsible for pricking the housing bubble, and has chosen not to bail out these huge housing companies the way that the banking sector was bailed out in the West in 2007/8. So why this difference? Well Chinese policy makers are planning for the long term. They would rather that people invest in the productive economy... R&D, manufacturing etc. Things that create jobs and long term economic prosperity, rather than the financial speculation we have come to rely upon in the West. So short term pain for long term benefit. It is interesting how the policy makers in China have been able to do this, compared to the neoliberal Govt's in the west who were obliged to bail out the money men... The other interesting aspect of this is what does democracy mean and how does it work in practice?... It is said that in China you are stuck with the same party, but policies can and do change from week to week in response to peoples needs, whilst in the west there is a plurality of political parties, but all share the same policies... policies that benefit the 1% and we are stuck with whoever wins. I think Rory is right that the Chinese will experience some bumps in the road... especially the youth unemployment issue... sounds like an intractable problem. I think all these investments in housing and infrastructure will prove an economic asset for China over the longer term... Just like how we in London are still benefiting from the building bonanza of the Victorians even today. Instead of finding holes in the Chinese miracle, I think we in Europe would be better off trying to learn from them. Most importantly how to make our politics more responsive to the needs of most people? If we define democracy as serving the needs of the many over the few, then China seems much more capable at this. An interesting question is why? If you want to see a deeper analysis, then watch this. A section on export vs consumption model exists, that covers the Chinese housing bubble, there is also a section on democracy, so you don't need to watch the lot: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5bYioWrhL9pqLc

[@RaysTrack]

"If you won't take care of us, please, please let us be!" ( Randy Newman - 'God's Song - That's Why I Love Mankind'). All talk of 'destiny' and an historic right to a plot of land on this planet comes from spurious ideologies; in this case, two Abrahamic, tribe-biased religions. Now I hear about Labour 'Musilm councillors' resigning in the UK because of Starmer's support of Israel. We should not allow UK polticians to be defined by their preferred religion. If their primary motivation is being a Christian, Jew, Muslim etc. get them them out. Our country must not be a proxy battleground for the these bogus, incendiary ideologies.

[@alanhat5252]

this has very little to do with religion, Zionism is mostly secular though it does have the financial backing of American Christian Evangelists.

[@leeharris7727]

Rory dropping the F-bomb…. Damn!

[@llightless]

Please make timecodes for your podcasts 🙏

[@brianarps8756]

New Zealand has just had an election and with a little luck may soon even have a Government. The outgoing Labour government mangled a huge majority and barely retained half their level of support. Yet despite this no alternative Government is yet in place. The NZ election was an enthusiasm free zone. The majority of voters seemed very sure that they did not want Labour re-elected. Most appeared not to want anyone else. In the election prequel, Labour dumped the competent and personable (but policy bereft) Jacinda Ardern, and replaced her with "Chippie" who on his first day as PM stated that he did not know what a woman was. The public took this as a sign that the nonsense was to be continued. There is much, I think, that the UK can learn from this. The UK Conservatives look so much like like the NZ Labour Party. They have run strong and effective campaigns but produced weak and incompetent Governments. They retain support from the managerial and political class but are losing support from both employers and employees. Their preoccupation with culture and news make them oblivious to the lives of ordinary people. Remarkably few conservative MP's can make a intelligent comment about the economy. They may look forward to the dustbin of history, but may still avoid it. I have never in my life wanted to buy a Rolls Royce car. They are old pretentious bloated symbols of all that is wrong with british industry and the society that produced them. Until now. The $30 million Rolls Royce Boat Tail is a beautiful thing and I want one. I just do. I am even willing to marry the Blonde chauffeur and head mechanic that come with it. Provided she does not get oil under her fingernails. I hate that. Can the Conservative or labour party do what Rolls Royce has done, and produce a workable vision of the future sufficient to unite the disparate and divided UK body politic and map out a future? Probably not. But wouldn't it be great if they did?

[@drorange2261]

MY company had a big domestic project cancelled in China, it think there is more focus on developing an international footing.

[@Fishstickification]

Regarding the money spent by the US on its failed wars - as far as the military industrial complex is concerned this was a great success. Massive wealth transfer to corporations, siphoned at every level. Sure, I don’t disagree that building infrastructure is more useful and noble, but the Chinese are making similar decisions, enriching construction and manufacturing with ever more projects regardless of consequence

[@stuartgraca]

You notice that Iran is involved with areas that are desperately under privileged , they have little influence over countries who have a good economy. Qatar and Iran seem to offer a strange set of benefits for Palestinians, as with Jordan and Egypt where there seems to be more of a negative pulling force for Palestinians in Gaza , an attitude that feeds the feeling of being held in Gaza as historic markers rather than being included into some wider Arab commercial grouping. Israel can get away with chastising Palestine because Gaza is forced into being dependent on Israel instead of other Arab states. Perhaps this should be the attitude of future peace talks, not to involve Israel but to create a wider Arab union that includes Gaza and the Palestinians , then leave that union to deal with Israel.

[@geoffreynolds8835]

I've watched a few "articles " regarding the Jewish on Gaza, and surprisingly, the Orthodox Jews have been backing Palestinian peoples. It's a division within the Jewish community. Orthodox Jews believe that Judaism is a religion, not a place.

[@herecomesthatboy1961]

Pan-arabism has been tried before, not only generally but with pan-Arabic efforts to counter Israel. And it failed. We're unlikely to see a second attempt. What really do the people and the regime in Syria have to do with the people and regime in Saudi Arabia, to pick just two nations? Beyond being roughly ethnically similar, speaking roughly the same language and belonging to roughly the same religion. We can see this with Egypt. The blockade on Gaza isn't an Israeli endeavour. It's an Israeli/Egyptian endeavour. The Egyptian regime wants absolutely nothing to do with hamas, especially since hamas is very closely linked to the Muslim brotherhood who staged a rebellion in Egypt in 2012.

[@stuartgraca]

i cannot see how the present situation should be so directly assessed by the past, there is certainly a difference in how the Arabic world is now redefining its relationships. My point us that the influence of Iran is based on a need to have deprivation and conflict, this links Syria through to Yemen, while the Gulf states are now moving away from the US and beginning to reveal a move towards competing with other global groupings , in fact there is a commonality in this world wide. Egypt is not fixed by its present leader , the Egyptian economy is not secure and I am sure that its politics can be easily disturbed by internal unrest, much as Labanon as been affected , however I believe there are ties with Palestinians on religious grounds which make it hard to see them refuse to be party to negotiations for a free Palestine. I wonder how much of the present Hamas is directly connected to the Muslim Brotherhood that was in Egypt , certainly the numbers that are now being suggested in Gaza are well over 35,000 . There also seems to be a very different assessment of Hamas through out the Middle East and it is in opposition to Israel and the US terming them as equal to ISIS , this is significant for Arab cooperation. My assertion about the wider grouping of Arab states is much like the EU grouping, there is a natural connection that also as historic ties and links , in much the same way as South America as a logical connection for all the countries to form a union and it is the basis of the USA before unification , perhaps there it should have stated as individual states with a general trade agreement .

[@jondarbyshire-s7k]

@@stuartgraca This conflict like other recent wars is a proxy war.

[@wellyman2008]

Interesting to note no mention of the Reform Party where the Conservatives would have held Mid Bedfordshire if they had their vote 34.1% + 3.7% = 37.8% to Labours 34.1% and Tamworth 40.7% + 5.4% = 46.1% v Labours 45.8%.

[@thevelvetskyandstars]

The low turnout should be the key concern for the political classes rather than the results.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

Absolutely this. Big mistake if labour think winning under those conditions gives them a full throated endorsement to steam ahead with their policies. My real fear is what comes after a term under labour. I feel there is a repeat of Brexit underway. Ignore, sideline, malign inconvenient views for long enough and some unpleasant entity, with an extreme position, will step in to sweep up their votes. That so few can see, let alone accept this risk dumbfounds me.

[@lawsharland7278]

tbf by-elections always have far lower voter turnout than general elections. This is expecially true when the general is coming up so soon.

[@EricDMMiller]

Why would they be concerned by that? It's a goal of theirs.

[@thevelvetskyandstars]

@@lawsharland7278 A recent study by the University of Surrey puts the average turnout at by elections at 49.3% from 1979-2022 compared to 68.3% for general elections. What has been notable that this year and last year turnout has been significantly lower than average.

[@alanhat5252]

@@EricDMMiller it's very difficult to put Tory voters off voting so a low turnout favours the Torys

[@alanhat5252]

15:25 can you clarify about this "settler movement" you're saying started in the 1970s? Particularly why it's different to the settler movement that began in 1920, the one that began in 1897 or even the one that began in the 1870s?

[@adadinthelifeofacyclist]

Labour beat Conservative in the last general election, the Tories only retained power by entering a coalition with the DUP(🤬). Why didn't Labour similarly enter a coalition with another party? Shouldn't these coalitions be banned from our democracy anyway??

[@josephhudson4973]

They got fewer votes and fewer seats. I don’t understand how Labour beat them?

[@adadinthelifeofacyclist]

@@josephhudson4973 I remember the tories entered a coalition with the DUP... Or was that the election before?

[@Sock1122]

47:05 I'm currently living in Shenzhen and it's not 7 underground lines, its 14, with numerous more waiting in the wings Also for reference, a 30 minute journey on the metro with cost around ¥3 which is roughly 30p.

[@Friedfoodie]

Voices of sanity.

[@webMonkey_]

Housing should not be viewed or treated as an investment. If we set up tax system to stop this we would be a much wealthier and happier country

[@VideoHero]

drives me nuts when they cross the line on the tight of alastair

[@KhelderB]

It's useful to keep in mind that economists have predicting china crisises every few years.

[@tumbleweed747]

What? Rory says 'how do you fight your way through urban areas without... causing opportunities for Palestinians to talk about atrocities ... cycle of media benefit' Shouldn't you say how does Israel fight this war without killing innocent civilians? Breaking international law? Committing war crimes? Here we see the real focus - not people but justifications of crimes that can be got away with or not

[@Stuffthatsfunny1]

What is the other channel? Are all of the KZbin bits put out as podcasts?

[@xyzzdoe3674]

The western leaders that don't take strong note of what the Jordanian king said and act accordingly will have that coming back to haunt all civilians in the West. We're being let down by our leaders.

[@jacobshapirotransitus7644]

would love to see niall fergurson on this podcast

[@DD-sr9xm]

1. China growth rates were higher than the developed world because they were an inefficient emerging market. Efficiency gains drove the higher growth rate. That’s over now. 2. China is a huge energy consumer (2/3 of their energy comes from imported oil. Other than that they export mostly low end products. Global manufacturers are rapidly shifting to Vietnam, India, Mexico, etc. So China’s economic slowdown has little impact on the global economy. 3. China is the fastest aging society in human history. One child and urbanisation presents them with a demographic time bomb that’s starting to explode NOW. 4. Xi represents a complete change in objectives. He is premier for life and he is not fond of the capitalism that Deng and his successors developed. He wants the CCP in charge of everything and a return so 50s and 60s socialism.

[@tumbleweed747]

Dictatorship: a country governed by a dictator. Autocracy: a system of government by one person with absolute power. There is a difference and nuance is everything in terms of awareness

[@Alex-yv4vr]

What’s the difference between a dictator and a person with absolute power

[@corndoggydogdog]

I would rather Rory, have said, "there is still uncertainty in regards to who was responsible for the bombardment of the hospital". There is no substantive evidence either way, if anything there is evidence that Israel has been trying to cover it's tracks. There was a doctored recording supposedly of two Hamas agents and a video used as 'evidence', but that was filmed in 2021. If the US released satellite pictures to corroborate the Israeli claims or if Israel let war crime investigators go in to examine the evidence, I would be inclined to believe the Israeli position, but I don't think it sensible to side with Israel here especially as Israel had been bombing that hospital in the days leading up to the incident, and had even given the hospital staff a stern warning the day before to leave the hospital... They also have a record of denying initial attacks and accepting culpability months later.

[@HeadMasterCheez]

@27:20 solid 15 second frozen rory there

[@pakelly99]

I’d just pick up too, electricity, water, communications systems aren’t “down”, due to some freak weather or a fuse blowing. It’d more accurately be phrased as “they were cut, by the Netanyahu government, as an act of collective punishment upon over 2 million civilians. As you are aware, an act which is explicitly prohibited under international law, as being a war crime”. I don’t expect you to dare go so far as speaking the truth in such an unadulterated manner, but you are aware people see through this, no doubt.

[@Vermilion2049]

China will solve these problems. There is still so much room to grow. They are promoting the internal circulation rather than rely on export to the west. They are growing with Africa and South East Asia etc.

[@jameswatson7167]

Once again I say why is no one picking up on the Egyptian Claim that the warning they gave was ignored by Israeli government.

[@susanb4816]

Why call them settlers? How about illegal migrants?

[@James-sh4zf]

Scotland was always central. Graham Hughs responded to me directly during the last Holyrood elections, saying scotland was gine no point in wasting energy on campaigning there, when my point was even if Scottish labour were going to lose, the fact that the national Labour party would demonstrate that they valued the Scottish electorate would subconsciously be seeded

[@lauras3554]

Chinese economy is in trouble, I heard that. Good to get the perspective

[@MishMash22]

I think the whole dictatorship aspect massively helped China when compared to India. India has always found it difficult to implement govt policy effectively because of various groups expressing their rights. No such problem in China, where what the govt says goes.

[@xiaoranmo7308]

Absolutely power created politicians who keep abuse the power they been given and creating strong echo chamber filled with incompetent members who will do everything to please their little czar. Why this not happening in totalitarianism China. How could China implement any “good policy” why that happen?

[@drorange2261]

No, I think it more the class system, China deposed of their ruling class 70 years ago, there is a new ruling class now, but it had more cracks for a new elite... a bit more "American like" Chinese dream. I think Indian citizens are a bit more depressed about the prospect for a better future. There is also a deep cultural belief in China about governmental bureaucratic efficiency that goes back millennia to Confucius. Imagine if instead of learning about Henry the eighth and Queen Victoria at school as the pillars of your nation you had a bureaucrat philosopher to take inspiration from, that must do something in your brain!

[@Areflection4]

Great podcast giving me a glimpse of the complexities in this Israel v Palestine war.

[@001nufcnufc]

'let me just stop you there Rory, when LABOUR were power the UK had the 5th biggest Ponzi...then...oh

[@gordonnorris6991]

I agree with Rory Stuart's assessment of the immediate future for the Chinese economy. The Chinese, of course, will attempt to window dress things, but you must remember that China is the land of facades and shortcuts - appearances are all, ignore the realities.

[@adam-yk6yd]

You guys should talk to Noah Smith about China. As interesting as this was to listen to it was basically a summation of everything he has been writing in his blog for the last 6-8 months

[@amitduwal3726]

British politicians talking about Chinese economy: Beggars talking about the wealthy's debt problems.

[@judyleepack5678]

The latter half of the discussion was very interesting about China’s economy. However, some of the pessimistic views espouse seem to be from a typical western capitalism point of view. China does not blindly follow western capitalism development in terms of ESG, and they are resisting hard to not evolve into a disproportionately financialized economy-which is causing major problems in many of the G7 economies. Also, China will not restrict their economic growth to only the G7 ecosystem as evidence by their rapid expansion into most of the global developing and under-developed economies. As well, the rapid pace in their STEM advancements will ensure increases value-add to maintain viable GDP growth, even with the growing older demographics. It will be a tough road ahead for China, but they have proven in the recent decades what can be done. Perhaps this is what they mean by democracy with Chinese characteristics.

[@sandersson2813]

Campbell is a truly loathsome person. Who'd have thought in a choice of two people a toff Tory would be more likable.

[@alst4817]

I think the guys have been reading the CCP press release on the belt and road. In reality, things are not going great. Only a tiny fraction of what has been promised has actually started work; the reason for this is that the Chinese massively over promised, and can’t deliver. The Chinese are not great at international negotiations, a great many projects are tied down in a decades worth of red tape, corruption and local politics which the Chinese just don’t understand. Where projects have been started a great deal goes into the pockets of local politicians, and the results are half built roads and airports with no one using them.

[@thelammas8283]

Mathematically a sustained growth rate faster than other countries would mean the growth country would approach 100% of the world economy. Logically growth will regress to the mean

[@qeitkas594]

Italy is withdrawing from the Belt and Road project because it didn't bring any benefit. Italy was the only major economy in Europe participating in this initiative. I recommend this channel: Lei's Real Talk. She is giving really good inside information about China and why we should not believe China on its face value. Many numbers which Rory mentioned are coming from China itself and we know by now, that they can't be trusted. The container shipping count for example shows a massive decrease in volume YoY while China is still reporting relative solid growth figures. Something does not add up here and the truth is that de-globalization is hitting China very hard.

[@wiggles877]

You should have Peter Zeihan on to talk about China. He's a geopolitical expert and believes that China's days as a major economic power are numbered. His arguments seem pretty sound and would be worth hearing.

[@damienolympia3702]

That's the thumbnail you're going with?

[@djtomoy]

Looks like you’ve got the heating a bit high in that room