Retcon: Why The Sequel Trilogy Doesn't Work

I recently saw Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker and I have some thoughts! Let's talk retroactive continuity, or retcon for short. With a focus on that Rey and Palpatine twist. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is the follow up film to Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi. Episode IX is the final film in the sequel trilogy and the last of the entire Star Wars 'Skywalker saga' - created by George Lucas. If you enjoyed the video please don’t forget to like and leave a comment. :) And subscribe if you're new here.
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Movies shown or mentioned in this video:
- Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars: A New Hope, Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Star Wars: The Last Jedi & Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
- Spider-man (2002) & Spider-man 3 (2007)
- Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix & Harry Potter and the Cursed Child

[@keypath4389]

Its like the casts are children of a divorced parents and being told differently in every visit to each

[@MRuby-qb9bd]

That is such a good description

[@keypath4389]

@@MRuby-qb9bd right? I mean, marriage story who?

[@AN-bo5ej]

The big question then is.. why switch directors? And why make these movies "write as you go" instead of one big, bad ass, well thought out arc?

[@crablord7934]

Huh…not that hard to explain. Disney cares more about making money than telling a good story

[@fuckinantipope5511]

JJ had everything thought out when I remember correctly, but than Rian came and ruined everything

[@TaKKun1123]

I think the issue is less switching directors and more switching the writers. Just have one coherent writing room or writer and you easily avoid a lot of the issues

[@Beatness121]

@@fuckinantipope5511 JJ did not have much of anything planned out, he specifically said he didn't know who Rey's parents were after TFA came out.

[@fuckinantipope5511]

@@Beatness121 I didn't say he knew everything, but he had stuff planned how to continue the trilogy

[@nagyesszep]

"Three stand-alones that hate each other" very nicely put

[@AliCat143]

@Paul Nye Yes! I don't buy any of the arguments that TLJ didn't follow what TFA built. People just didn't like the answers. I actually got the assumption Rey was a nobody from TFA soooo....🤔

[@Dagenspear]

@@AliCat143 the answers are no one and there is no answer for the other.

[@Dagenspear]

@Paul Nye i think the tone, storytelling and characters aren't in sync with TFA.

[@AliCat143]

@@Dagenspear I don't follow

[@Dagenspear]

@@AliCat143 Snoke isn't given an answer in that movie.

[@mikaela__]

i just cannot believe these people got payed millions of dollars to write a STAR WARS trilogy and couldn’t even be arsed to think the entire think through before starting filming, normal people get fired for that level of incompetence

[@erispapps9929]

Welcome to Hollywood.

[@leafpratt]

@@erispapps9929 I mean you're not wrong JJ literally got done destroying Star Trek before hopping over to Star Wars it's like they hire these people based on how many franchises they ruined

[@billyblarf5100]

@@leafpratt sadly these franchises werent ruined... if they were just *ruined* , they'd be done for. but; they were *raped* by (companies like disney), turned into brain dead sluts of franchises, and pimped out on the street by the purchasing companies, forced to appeal to all the wrong customers who spend the most money. so, much worse than ruined.

[@leafpratt]

@@billyblarf5100 William calm down

[@billyblarf5100]

@@leafpratt ?

[@tochi4074]

To me, the character who suffered from the complete lack of planning in this trilogy was Finn. He was as stormtrooper who broke out of his conditioning and was clearly force sensitive. There was so much history, lore, and potential with this character (e.g. understands how to break out the stormtroopers and the inside players of the resistance). It felt like Rian Johnson sidelined the character and then forced a comedy b-plot where he learned about 'real suffering' even though he was a child soldier! Then JJ didn't know how to fix that so slapped a bandaid on it by making him a general. Considering how good of an actor John Boyega is and his how much he loves the star wars universe, it was such a slap in the face.

[@RealVincent1989]

Rian gave Finn agency and showed why he decided to actively be in Resistance. JJ just made him source sensitive like many 'fans' wanted but downgraded him to Rey's lapdog.

[@tochi4074]

@@RealVincent1989 I thoroughly disagree. Finn's agency was established in the force awakens when he broke out and then helped Poe escape. He was then about to leave but chose to actively help the resistance in the end and save Rey. Of course he would have wanted to save Rey when he woke up from a coma, that was not him being selfish but helping a person. Again, he was sent on a meaningless mission where he was taught about the war complex and who to fight for which he would clearly understand after the massacre and trauma he was subjected to in the First Order! Yes, JJ could have done a lot better but Finn had so many avenues between force sensitivity, his past, his ability to break conditioning and his ability to hold his own the first time he picked up a lightsaber. Rian chose to have him learn about who he was fighting for when he clearly already knew. It was insulting and halted the entirety of his character arc.

[@BrianHartman]

One part of TROS that I liked was finding out that there are other ex-stormtroopers out there. I'm sure that a story (in some media) will come out capitalizing on that.

[@ultratankie]

Finn's storyline in Episode 8 was about learning to care about a cause, not just about one person he cared for (Rey, and to a lesser extent maybe Poe). The Rise of Skywalker initially did something really interesting with Janah, the other ex-Stormtrooper, and her fellow ex-Stormtrooper friends, which seemingly promised that the two of them would be doing some sort of Stormtrooper rebellion... but nah. Waste of potential in the home stretch.

[@fornamnefternamn1532]

I like Finns arc in TLJ! It would have been so nice to see a talented storyteller continue his arc. But well. I won't see this. Not by paying Disney anyways.

[@LauraTheStrange97]

Kylo/Ben (or Adam Driver and his great performance) deserved better than a standard redemption arc that ends in death. It showed me that they didn't know what to do with the character anymore. Huge disappointment for me :/

[@MRuby-qb9bd]

@OWLofATHENS That was exactly my thought at the end of the film "I should have skipped this trash and just read the fanfics" Awful. And I love Adam Driver and the really dark and psychologically tortured take on that character in the first two films. In my opinion, Rey should have gone dark-side and his redemption would be to stop her, but also kill her, in a reflection of how the Luke/Vader scene went. Then Kylo Ren would end up living in an isolated desert, because by that point, he would be wanted for war crimes. So, you know he could sort of earn his redemption but also have to face the consequences of his previous actions.

[@RealVincent1989]

Yes, and more important they were to weak and cowards to do redemption arc properly.

[@Jasonblade9012]

I shouted “oh no” during the kiss... it was embarrassing

[@MRuby-qb9bd]

@OWLofATHENS Oh I was just shooting around for the fun of it. Tbh the whole movie was such a mess nothing short of a total overhaul would have salvaged it. I just would have liked to have seen something less patently Disneyish slapped on the end when what setup there was seemed to be leaning darker. Even if they had left Kylo and Rey both dead at the end, that would have been definitive in wiping out both the Sith and the Jedi for good (and thematically would have resonated better with TLJ). I also would have been impressed if they went full-throttle Reylo and ended with them ruling the Sith and Empire together, it would have been terrible for different reasons but it sure would have been a memorable ending!

[@CpttCanada]

The tragedy is that Adam Driver only got to show his acting chops when he became Ben Solo again. His talents were wasted as Kylo Ren because he was told to just act like an angst ridden 14 year old.

[@catalan8241]

I think one of the biggest problems with the film was that noone seems to have actually cared about telling it's narrative. Say what you will about TLJ, but it's clear that Rian Johnson wanted to tell a story he cared about. With Rise of Skywalker I get the feeling that Abrams looked at the Star Wars Reddit and watched a few YT videos to get a quick overview of what the fans might want/hated in TLJ, and then tried to somehow string these things together into a plot. The result feels not just void of any logic, but also of any emotional connection to the viewer.

[@pdzombie1906]

Abrams tried to tell the best story possible and even consulted with George Lucas. The new villain was going to be played by Matt Smith (still on Google, no longer in IMDB) as the son of Mortis (sorry if I didn't write it correctly, I don't watch Clone Wars). But when he showed the film to Disney Executives and told them not everyone was going to like it, Bob Iger made him change it, hence the reshoots, and delays, and the nostalgia porn movie which ended up in cinemas... There's another Lucas/Abrams cut, but I doubt we'll ever get to see it (even on Disney+). I think Abrams made this movie as a middle finger to Disney Lucasfilm (and I'm not defending him since he still took the money and has never done anyhting original)

[@bardw.1542]

I was disappointed in the very second line of the title crawl, of all things. They didn't try to explain how Palpatine was back, or even give him a cool reveal in the movie. All of the film's subsequent retcons felt equally abrupt. I understand some people hated the big narrative developments in The Last Jedi, but I hope they can at least acknowledge that the film "earns" them, setting up emotional beats and character arcs that subsequently get paid off when the news hits. This is pretty clear when contrasted with Rise of Skywalker, which doesn't "earn" any of its narrative beats, and in fact it tries to fake us out as much as possible (Chewie is dead, but he isn't; 3PO loses his memory, except he gets it back; Kylo Ren dies, but he doesn't, and then he does; Rey dies, but she doesn't; you thought Han was dead, but he's back; Palpatine isn't really dead . . . )

[@CpttCanada]

TLJ felt lifeless as well. I hear your issues with TROS. However, TROS was vastly superior to the TLJ. The Last Jedi is easily the worst Star Wars movie of all time.

[@ultratankie]

@@hypervolt9987 Regardless of how you feel about Rose as a character, sidelining her after the very well-known harassment that Kelly Marie Tran faced from outright racists is, intentionally or not, throwing a bone to those cretins. I get what it is that decent people didn't like about her, I really do, but actually putting her *in* this film rather than just adjacent to it was a necessity in my opinion.

[@BrianHartman]

Han isn't back. That was Ben's memory. That conversation was his way of giving himself closure. As for TLJ earning its narrative developments, I think it only does so if you can accept the movie's explanations at face value. Luke throws away his light saber because he's done with the Jedi. But would he ever really be done with the Jedi? The explanation for why he shut himself out from the world doesn't make much sense. It depends on him doing something Luke *wouldn't do*. He sees the evil in Ben, but instead of trying to guide him back from the dark side, as he did with his father, he decides to straight up murder him. He brings on his ultimate failure in a way the Luke we know never would. So that didn't feel earned. I agree that there were too many death fake-outs. Both C3-PO and Chewbacca had served their narrative purposes by the time they "died", so it would've been fine to really kill them off. I can't agree with you on Ben, though. It was obvious enough to me that he wasn't dead that it didn't bother me. And it gave him the one chance he had to redeem himself. I can agree with you that Johnson paid off the things he set up, but those things just weren't as good as what Abrams set up in TFA. You learn from failure. Got it. But then, I'd gotten that in 3rd grade. You don't have to be related to someone famous to make a difference. Well, okay, but we already knew that. There are a lot of Jedi who weren't from famous families. Who were Obi-Wan's parents? Your heroes will disappoint you. Well, yeah, if Johnson's the one writing them. A good leader doesn't try to be a hero. Except, oh yeah, she does. She sacrifices herself for the mission. Worst of all, TLJ isn't even watchable for me in some places. Any scene Holdo contaminates is worthless to me. And Canto BiteMyAss... Where do I even start with that nonsense? The Rise of Skywalker had a lot of problems, but it was a clearly better film than TLJ.

[@zephyrcore]

That was exactly my problem with the movie. It didn’t feel like the end of a trilogy, there was no real development or closing on the potential questions. It was disconnected and didn’t really focus on narrative itself. It wasn’t planned ahead from the beginning, and TROS was a way to say “No, my way is the right way”. I was entertained at some parts of the movie, of course. But it felt kind of hollow in my opinion.

[@ultratankie]

Agreed. I don't think I'd be as bothered by Rey Palpatine if that were just one narrative being wrapped up by this film. But aside from Ben Solo, who ultimately is a carbon copy of Anakin/Vader despite TLJ promising that his character had surpassed Vader's shadow, the *only* thing this movie cares about is Rey. The only thing it wants to do, and consequentially the only thing this whole trilogy ends up being *about,* is Rey's struggle to figure out who she is - a question which almost everyone seems to agree in hindsight was answered better in The Last Jedi. In short, The Rise of Skywalker focuses entirely on one storyline to the detriment of everything else that was handed to it, and it doesn't even do that one thing any justice.

[@georgeparkinson1314]

Luxemburgist the worst part is in 10-15 years tlj will be considered the best in this trilogy. Jar Jar abrams should leave other franchises alone.

[@MrChannelforwatching]

Your final two lines described how I felt perfectly after the movie. I will admit there were a lot of cool shots throughout the movie that I just had to admire while watching. Seriously, I applaud the concept artists and storyboard artists for some of these beautiful establishing shots in the film. There were also parts of the film that were entertaining, but a lot of the things that happened didn’t feel ‘earned’ in any retrospect, and actually felt like a cheap cop out. Throughout this film I was fascinated, but just confused.

[@Jasonblade9012]

JJ Abrams is a fraud. He has a history of doing this, setting up mystery boxes, questions that don’t drive the plot forward, let them hanging without having a plan for them, leaving them to someone to figure it out and then blame them for not living up to the expectations. I totally agree with your take on this about JJ Abrams “being cornered” he was not, he just did what he has done for years. JJ Abrams is not a writer, he is a marketer.

[@selina3974]

If JJ was so paranoid that someone would fill in the answers to his mystery box wrong, he should have written the answers down himself! It's called foreshadowing!! It's not hard. At least I don't think it's hard for working professionals to do. But he left all the questions hanging in the air without any clues at all as to what they were supposed to be. Rian answered those questions in the best way he thought. A lot of people liked the answers, and a lot of people didn't like the answers. The last thing both camps needed was A DIFFERENT SET of answers. WE NEEDED CLOSURE TO THE SAGA, NOT RETCONS. sigh.....

[@hurpldurp]

@Aru Gula Yeah, he's such a talentless hack that his latest movie, Knives Out, was a total blast, very well-written, energetic, and thoroughly entertaining

[@hurpldurp]

@Aru Gula I'd say most people would disagree with that opinion, given the glowing critic reviews and generally very positive audience reactions. You're not wrong to have that opinion, though, but I completely disagree.

[@MicoDossun]

Aru Gula Brothers Bloom and Knives Out are better than any Star Wars movie

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

@@MicoDossunsounds more like your a rian johnson fanboy

[@calimerohnir3311]

I still have no idea what this trilogy is about

[@jonmkl]

It’s quite blatantly about learning from the mistakes of the past, and the good of the past, and the importance of finding your own identity, and your own family, instead of being bound by the circumstances of your birth. “Let the past die” was the bad take. “We are what they grow beyond” was the good one. Kylo thought his darkness was inescapable because it was with him since he was young, and when he discovered he was Vader’s grandson he thought that was the answer, that was just who he was, like he said to Rey: “it’s in our blood.” But he has to break free from that and realize that he chooses who he is meant to be. Rey was looking for her parents to try and find out who she was, looking for a parental figure to give her a place, to _tell_ her who she is, she fears loneliness above everything else. But when she finally discovers who she is she’s terrified. She has to break free from that and realize that only she can choose who she is meant to be. Luke thought the failures of the Jedi made them unsalvageable, and his failures made him irredeemable (just like Kylo did) but Yoda told him the opposite, it’s those failures that will show future generations how to succeed. Even Fin is a character that starts as a Stormtrooper, and a coward, and realizes he can choose to be more. It was also about giving the Sith a more definitive and cosmic end, since a war that’s raged for thousands of years shouldn’t end with Vader chucking Palps in the garbage. There’s a reason that in all the EU material the Sith immediately came back, because that wasn’t a satisfying end for them. Think about it, it’s never explained why destroying the Sith brings balance until this film, because the dark is part of the balance, death is part of life, but this film shows us that the Sith are _not._ They’re not just dark side, they have subverted death almost entirely to gain a ridiculous amount of power. Palpatine himself is the imbalance, containing all the power of thousands of generations of Sith thanks to “the ritual.” It’s the Sith version of force ghosts, clinging to life instead of letting go and becoming one with the force.

[@ryvlaw]

Money

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

Family... and that's what's so powerful about it.

[@javierlopez9789]

Money and Nostalgia

[@javierlopez9789]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 not so much when The WHOLE Skywalker family dies.....

[@anemices]

Oh you could.. just ... you know... give Finn (you know, the one who actually had the most original character arc in this whole trilogy) a proper storyline....

[@wisdommanari6701]

Nah that might make people feel bad about mindlessly killing stormtroopers

[@TropeAnatomy]

Hope you like this video! Sorry I haven’t uploaded in so long, I swear July feels like a week ago to me. But I’m back! Thanks for sticking around, promise next one won’t take anywhere near as long (click the notification bell). And Merry Christmas to those celebrating! 🎄🎅 (seeing Cats next… pray for me).

[@thebigshep]

Oof, good luck with Cats, sir.

[@swansonjoe7121]

Hey man, I loved your approach of level headed thinking. You didn't go on a bombastic 30 minute rant why this is the worst movie ever of all of cinema. You addressed a fundamental issue with the trilogy and I applaud you for it!

[@Cancoillotteman]

I see we disagree deeply on those two points of The Last Jedi but for different reasons : - Holdo Manoeuver : It's basically logic vs awesome. Hyperspace ramming completely contradicts the logic of Star Wars fleets, just as the invention of better torpedoes and aircraft carriers brought an end to the age of dreadnaughts. But the scene is beautifoul to watch, I'll grant you that. I just can't get past it's stupidity (in terms of worldbuilding), while you accept it due to its beauty : I disagree but understand your point of vue. - Rey's parentage : I purely hate the idea of "actually she's Palpatine's granddaughter", there I'm along with you. But that scene in TLJ almost made me leave the theater. Not because her parents were nobodies, I don't care about that ! But NEITHER SHOULD SHE !! The only single point of caracterization Rey had had so far was a search for belonging, she wanted to know WHO her parents were, not if they were famous ! They were nobodies, junk traders, alright, but WHO ? She should still want to find them, to know their names, or hate them, not remain INDIFFERENT to them just because they were not famous ! The fans care about her lineage, she should care about her parents. And with such kind of scenes I have difficulties considering her as more than a plot device. Now if I missed something I'm most curious to know about it : I'm not close minded on my opinions, I think this scene (like much of the Disneylogy movies) was just very dumb narratively-wise.

[@____uncompetative]

I really liked this video. I recommend seeing the updated version of _CATS_ where they finished rendering the rushed effects on the hands.

[@____uncompetative]

jan furio I feel that can correct some of your misapprehensions about this trilogy. Rey tearfully admits to Kylo that her parents were nobodies. This means that Kylo was not lying to Rey. Rey could still be wrong, but this is what Rey believes is the truth, as distinct from what is the truth. The final episode reveals that Rey was actually a Palpatine, and the reveal does not contradict Rey's version of the truth based on the limited information she had about her parents and their motives at the time she was abandoned. Rey didn't know that they were trying to protect her. I read the interview Daisy Ridley gave to Le GEEK magazine about how J.J. had a plan for _VIII_ and _IX_ and Rian threw it out, but his first draft was approved by Ram Bergman, and greenlit by Kathleen Kennedy, and probably higher ups at Disney including Bob Iger - I can imagine they gave him an executive summary that said something like: "It's like _The Empire Strikes Back_ in the fact that the good guys are compelled to evacuate their secret base, and Rey is like Luke going to see hermit Yoda (only Yoda is now Luke), and Rey interrupts her training to help her friends (and just as Yoda didn't come, as it is all about the new generation, Luke stays a hermit), except the big twist that makes it feel like a new movie, is that Luke redeems himself at the end through a heroic sacrifice, by distracting Kylo with an illusion of his presence, all so Rey can help Leia escape and live to fight another day and the legend spreads of Luke's deeds to inspire new hope." So, I fully expect Iger knew we would get sad hermit Luke, but he would go on a redemptive character arc by the end of the same movie. Fine. $317M GREENLIT Consequently, even if you hate Rian for the direction he took the Sequels in, the whole of Disney management would've backed him on this choice. Also, there is no real sign of Studio interference, as has been alleged to have happened with _Episode IX._ *RYAN didn't respect at all that rey was from the beginning on a palpatine, as daisy ridley herself said: "I thought it was obvious who reys parents are" and JJ also said: "Her parents aren't even in the movie"* We can only speculate who Rey meant, and she could have been having a joke at the audience's expense as she had been told she was "wooden" by JJ when it was his fault for: 1. Hiring her 2. Putting her in a hot desert 3. Not letting her know her backstory Where 3. was an issue because JJ had not determined who Rey's parents were, and if they were open to her father being revealed to be Luke, which would fit the fact that Anakin's lightsaber calls out to his granddaughter and Rey would lead the cast out of the end of the Skywalker Saga, wouldn't JJ deny Rey's father was in the movie? After all, JJ has lied before: io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-admits-lying-about-star-trek-2s-khan-was-a-1475078061 So, let's assume Rey is Luke's daughter, this creates a problem, as even if he did not know he had a daughter (e.g. his wife left him without telling him she was pregnant with their child), Luke would sense that he had a familial Force Bond with this stranger, Rey, when she arrived on Ahch-To. This may have compelled Rian to fix this huge plot hole created for him by JJ, by having it so Luke had cut himself off from the Force. As JJ also had not explained what made Ben become Kylo, it fell to Rian to provide a reason and he chose to make Luke's mistake the catalyst and his guilt the reason he had cut himself off from the Force. Personally, I would have had Luke go to the island to find some obscure Jedi text that could help him bring Kylo back to the Light, but once there he would sense that his nephew had murdered his wife and give up on helping him, and on the Force itself. All of this could be revealed in the final episode through a long flashback, so it wasn't as if Rian ruined it for JJ, it would just mean JJ had to take a couple of steps back and fill in the mystery he had left to others to resolve but now found it fell to him to provide good answers for. I don't recall hearing the Palpatine theme, I thought the music from the Opera house in _Episode III_ was the Plagueis theme, and this is used for Snoke: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJXCaWCEeLNoebc I wouldn't have undermined Anakin's redemption by revealing that Palpatine didn't die at the end of _Episode VI._ I would have made Kylo the antagonist in _Episode IX_ and explained that he had become super evil ever since he had his subconsious possessed by the evil spirit of Plagueis which had previously been in Snoke, and before that, Palpatine. This diminishes Palpatine rather than Anakin. It attributes wisdom and invention to Plagueis and makes Palpatine more of a vessel for the evil strategems of Plagueis. "I am every voice you have ever heard inside your head" => Kylo is possessed. Rey would enter the throne room to find Kylo sat on the throne. No Palpatine. Rey Skywalker would kill Kylo and then Rey would meditate to enter the Cosmic Force to search for Ben's lost soul, kissing his forehead to wake him up and redeem a boy who had been haunted by Plagueis since he was conceived on Endor and had never stood a chance. Ben would reunite with the Force Ghosts of Anakin and Leia whilst Rey would reunite with the Force Ghosts of her parents Luke and Mara Jade. Jannah would challenge her fraternal twin Finn to a game of Dejarik in the lounge of the Falcon, as Chewie roared at their father Lando as he jumped the Falcon into Hyperspace. Keri Russell would have played Mara Jade in an hour long flashback where she would have trained her young daughter Rey, before she blocked her recollections of her and placed false memories in front of that block which would ensure Rey was not identified as a Skywalker by Snoke's Knights who were searching for Luke's child ever since Snoke had sensed an awakening in the Force coincident with Rey's conception, all so Snoke could train this Skywalker child to be his apprentice.

[@MetalGamer666]

Why are so flew people pointing out the weird way the characters talk about Rey's parents in TLJ? Not once was it indicated in TFA that her parents were anything special. Nor did Rey think they were. She was just waiting for them to come back for her, whoever they were. But in TLJ they talk about them like Rey expected them to be someone special. It's like Rian Johnson injected fan expectations into Rey. Secondly, your parents don't have to be special for you to be a Jedi. The prequels established that. The Jedi Order picked children they discovered were force sensitive to train. These children came from all walks of life. The members of the Jedi Order were not supposed to have their own children. If the Jedi Order thought that Jedi parents would have Jedi children, I'm pretty sure they would have encouraged breeding within the order.

[@thinhvo3893]

He said your parent dont have to be special to be a hero. Keyword hero. Yes there are ton of jedi in galaxy but as far as we concern there are two families that control the destiny of the galaxy. The Last Jedi establish that Rey Poe and Fin are all heroes because they rise up and challenge the occasion. The prequel establish Anakin only special because of HIS BLOOD. They didnt even bail his goddam mother out of slavery.

[@MetalGamer666]

@Pinkaugust Then it makes little sense that jedi are not incentivized to breed to make stronger jedi. If they only use males, and females outside of the order, they don't even have to tell them whether or not they actually became a father, and never tell them who their children were if they did.

[@MetalGamer666]

@Pinkaugust If I was the leader of the jedi order I would use it as a test of their ability to not get attached. After they had impregnated a woman, they would never see her or the offspring again. It would be trained at another jedi temple and never told who its father was. Anakin was doomed from the beginning. He was disrespectful of his master from the beginning of episode 2, got angry at the jedi council when they disagreed with him, and generally was an angsty teen. If his girlfriend didn't push him over the edge, it would have been something else.

[@barthomero721]

@@thinhvo3893 That's stupid, you know that Han Solo, Chewbacca and Lando Calrissian DON'T have special fathers and still they are key parts of the OT for destroying the empire?

[@thinhvo3893]

@@barthomero721 Playing a part hardly mean anything because the reality is if Luke lost in throne room battle, regardless if Lando destroy the second death star or not, emperor still survived but this time the rebellion lost their only force user and the entire galaxy will fall. Regardless of how you spin it, the skywaller or palpatine are the one that decide the fate of the galaxy. Nobody else. The rebel could destroy thousand death stars and it doesnt mean a damn thing in the end. Hell even in legend the Skywalker worship is taking to extreme as the same generation and same lineage control the fate of the galaxy again.

[@calimerohnir3311]

RJ and JJ are like two recently divorcee using the sequel trilogy (their metaphorical children) to badmouth each other.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

JJ definitely did it a lot more than RJ

[@bardw.1542]

"Rian Johnson didn't write J.J. Abrams into a corner--he gave him all the space to take the story in whatever direction Abrams wanted, and he took it backwards." I paraphrased the quote, but I think it's such a good summary of what an unimaginative letdown Rise of Skywalker was.

[@bardw.1542]

@@hypervolt9987 Exactly! The Force Awakens almost demands that Episode VIII happens right after VII, without any real lapse in time, just because of the cliffhanger moment they put in (which admittedly is my favorite scene in Force Awakens). And Luke being disenchanted with the Jedi is pretty much the only character motive that makes sense for the story. None of it was very well thought out in Force Awakens. I guess both of JJ's Star Wars films feel very video gamey: find the map that unlocks the reclusive hero. But in video games you don't need to ask why the hero who's clearly in hiding wanted to make a map to be found ...

[@fornamnefternamn1532]

Yes yes yes! I wish I could have written this movie. I mean, there were so many possibilites!!! What an interesting character study it could have been. And there would have been no Palpatine, no death star, no crap like that. I would be a character drama with a war background.

[@GameCat16]

@@hypervolt9987 1.) JJ left behind a map. 2.) Han mentioned the First Jedi Temple. One could have easily have written plotline about how Luke has been struggling to search for it during the past decade or two. That's the thing. You need to write an actual STORY, not just give a simple answer. This is why the Infinity Stones were destroyed at the start of Endgame; because the Russo Brothers knew they needed a STORY.

[@GameCat16]

1.) Too much freedom gives writers writer's block. It's why prompts are a thing. 2.) Things were tied up "so well" in TLJ that most people were beginning to perceive the franchise as a duology, with no one getting excited for Rise of Skywalker, unlike Endgame, which had a couple cliffhangers from Infinity War to build off of.

[@frankvizen5480]

Rian Johnson wasted an entire movie that changed absolutely nothing other than making many people's most beloved star wars character a huge disappointment. You could skip that film completely and not miss a thing. Rian Johnson has no business in Star Wars and Abrams has no business WRITING film scripts.... and Terrio!?!?! They brought someone who wrote the most meme-worthy shitty DC movies ever made. What a joke. I'm so glad this trilogy is over and I regret ever wishing for more star wars films.

[@kartezhnay]

“Just Rey... “ would be the best answer !

[@umlautsoup7549]

This is what I don't get: it seems like these movies were plotted out by each installment. Why wasn't the whole trilogy outlined before they started shooting ep 7? I'm so confused...

[@krustomer]

Buttered Toast Exactly! Just plan! Disney already likes total control, why did they allow so much narrative freedom in a franchise as divisive and historically backwards as SW?

[@ryvlaw]

First they wanted to do that. They asked Michael Arndt to do it and he said he needs 18 months to write an outline for the trilogy. That was to long because they wanted to rush it and make money fast.

[@GameCat16]

@@krustomer Because last I heard, Disney keeps a hands-off approach to its products (Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige were the ones in control of the MCU). So they trusted Lucasfilm to do the planning, which backfired immensely.

[@theomegajuice8660]

This is kind of JJ Abrams in a nutshell though. You'll notice his "Mystery Box" stuff is all about setting up questions and intrigue rather than actually paying them off.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Probably the ot didn't have planning.

[@hatcat3225]

These video's are so well made , they're incredible and i can just relax grab snacks and whatch these

[@TropeAnatomy]

thank you!

[@xv4689]

You have one of the few totally solid “movie video essay” channels, esp. when it comes to Star Wars internet commentary. Thanks for being relatively dispassionate and keeping the focus on ideas rather than stoking the outrage machine.

[@TropeAnatomy]

wow thank you for saying that! Means a lot

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Defiently stoked some fires.

[@slaughterhome]

For the majority of fans of fantasy, being special and meaning something is tied to your family name or genetic powers. Heaven forbid we get main characters that aren't the product of some special lineage, blessed with great genetics, or privileged in some way that suits the fantasy setting they inhabit.

[@AnyDrug]

It's like Goebbel's wet dream..! xD

[@rsync9490]

Yeah but if that is the case, that regular joe is going to have to put in work. Like cloud from ff7. Rey didn't put in any work and her being a Palpatine made so much sense with how she was just naturally gifted at everything. Her fighting style is even similar to Palpatine's.

[@JP-hk6xw]

Yes but you have to remember that these are already the final trilogy in a now 9 part saga. Why have everyone be connected in the first 6 and then just have some random girl come and fix everything in the last 3 films? I mean I liked that Rey was a nobody too but they kind of wrote themselves into a corner

[@AnyDrug]

@@JP-hk6xw Actually they set up everything for the perfect ending with Ep8. All they had to do was killing Rey and letting Kylo/Ben live to get over with all this horribly outdated dualism bullshit. No Jedi, no Sith left, only Ben being a bit of both... ;)

[@melodymiller8268]

At least we have Lord of the rings.

[@nervousdorito3696]

I almost wish Rey *would've* taken the Palpatine name, just as a way to reclaim the lineage and have the most famous Palpatine in history go down as a hero of the Jedi

[@makothetako]

I appreciated what TLJ was going for by having a hero come from a "non-special" background. The problem was that it didn't make sense for Rey's character WHY she would be so broken up that her parents were nobodies. As far as I could tell in Force Awakens, she just wanted to be with her family again and learn why they left her. She didn't seem to place a big deal on wanting her parents/lineage to be "special." The whole reveal seemed to be more for the audience's sake, rather than for her character. At least with the twist in RoS you can understand why she'd be distraught to learn she's basically descended from Satan.

[@thaThRONe]

Exactly! Now were getting to the terrible writing of Rian Johnson. As you point out there was no reason what so ever for Rey the character to think she was related to anyone "special". Abrams left clues for the audience. So when Johnson has Rey say her parents are "nobodies" it's an attempts to subvert what audience is expecting. What completely went over his head is that was never the characters goal so why would it be hard to hear? Johnson makes similarly awful decisions like this the entire movie. Sad this kind of stuff had to be explained to people who have enough understanding to take to KZbin to defend such trash writing.

[@bangboom123]

@@thaThRONe Man, it's clearly established in TFA how much Rey idolises the old heroes and knows their stories and wants to be big and important like them - not only in her first meeting with Han, she even keeps a Rebel Alliance helmet and trains on simulations be a pilot. TFA also shows that these heroes are fuck-ups, notably regarding Han and Chewie going back to a life of crime. TLJ just takes those beats and follows them on. The thing is that Abrams only ever writes for the audience, he doesn't care about the internal psychology of the characters which is why it's not signaled properly. Johnson looked at the nostalgia-bait in TFA, and took it seriously. That's why TLJ follows on so well from TFA.

[@thaThRONe]

@@bangboom123 She thought Luke Skywalker was a myth. She knew little to nothing about the Jedi order, and mostly she had no reason to think she was related to any of it. Just because you like a "hero" doesn't mean you just assume you're related to that person.

[@bangboom123]

Oh, I agree that she has no reason to think about it, but the movie shows it's something she *does* think about. That's the whole point of the flashbacks - showing us this important Mystery Box thing that Abrams loves so that we know it's relevant to Rey and start speculating about it. TLJ also *calls her out* on this bullshit by having her admit her parents were selfish nobodies, and also that it doesn't *matter* that they're selfish nobodies - she can be important anyway. And yeah, her not knowing shit about the Jedi order and getting wrapped up in myth is pretty firmly displayed by how disappointed she is with Luke. So that movie agrees with you man.

[@AliCat143]

I mean...they were shit parents who sold her and presumably didn't love her. That would be pretty upsetting. Especially given how she waited all her life for them to return.

[@Yoofie28]

I loved your breakdown of why Rise of Skywalker just didn't work. I sat in the theatre wondering what the hell I was watching. It made no narrative sense and I ended up exasperated and bored. I also agree that Johnson didn't write Abrams into a corner. I feel like he could've gone in so many directions and chose the worst option.

[@TropeAnatomy]

thank you! Glad you liked it

[@GameCat16]

Name one.

[@Yoofie28]

Sure. I thought it would've been interesting to see Hux as the villain or at least a threat in IX. With the way he was looking at Kylo at the end of TLJ it looked like that hatred could go somewhere.

[@headconcepts]

i just love how the same movie that told us the holdo maneuver was stupid introduced hyperspace skipping :/

[@thestarwarsguy1821]

The hyperspace ramming method was included anyway in the movie at the end when the ewoks were watching the star destroyer above endor. It was one in a million for a range of reasons, looking at size of ships involved, usage of resources, morality of the methodology (how jedi choose to win, the question is) and then set up and approach, there's that sweet spot as you're making the jump to hyperspace that gets the desired effect we see on screen. If ships in general are positioning themselves in an ideal position to perform a hyperspace ram then they'll be vulnerable to fire before pulling it off. It worked for Holdo because fire was focused on the light craft while she was getting set up. I wouldn't call it a retcon

[@runninginsept]

Thank you for this clear-headed review of the trilogy. I both agree and disagree with you. 1. I agree that TLJ should not be blamed for the fracture of the trilogy. Up until TLJ, the narrative was clear. 2. I disagree that Disney went into the trilogy without a clear story arc. It is very obvious that they decided to go fan service with TROS because of all the fan backlash for TLJ. Don't forget that Abrams was brought on to replace Trevorrow, who no doubt would've built his story picking up from TLJ. By then, fan reception would have doused Disney's appetite for creative risks.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Except jj made clearly plan out any of the reveals for the mystery in tlj, and this video even acknowledges that TLJ came across like it hated TFA. so I don't think people are off when the system TLJ started this antagonism between movies.

[@Evildood89]

Although I´m not the biggest RoS fan, and I agreed this whole trilogy wasn´t planned... Rey being a Palpatine was subliminaly forshadowed in TFA... they use Palpatine music theme, when Rey fighted Kylo Ren.

[@ryanm.8720]

Also, in LEGO Star Wars: The Force Awakens, both Rey and Palpatine utilize jabs while swinging their lightsabers.

[@thebigshep]

Oh Trope Anatomy made a new video, cool cool cool.

[@TropeAnatomy]

🤣

[@callie4808]

Oh my god yes! Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying all this! I'm so tired of the "rian johnson closed all the doors what was jj supposed to do?" excuses. TLJ was creative and played with the themes and character motivations in an interesting fresh way, there were a million different ways they could have taken the plot after TLJ, it's just that it involved actually taking time to craft a story outside of what was already done in the OT. RoS just didnt do anything with what was given to it and decided to copy paste beats from other things instead of trying something new.

[@archangelrsr1326]

Yes, after the last Jedi everything was open: Kylo was the new leader, but wanted a new form of government (neither an empire nor a Republic) and a new religion (neither Sith nor Jedi). Rey and Luke have never been "perfect Jedi", but they are unorthodox Pseudo-Jedi, which is why they CAN be HEROES, not boring passive space-monks. As a result, we had an antagonist, who could have become an antihero as well, and a protagnist, who could have either fight him again or joining. Both would have been plausible. Instead they produced a redundant movie and put way to much pressure on themselves by claiming to "close the Skywalker Saga". Without this Impossible task/claim they could have produced a innovative Star Wars movie...

[@aceshighdueceslow]

what I don't understand is that while these movies were being made, we also had The Clone Wars and Rebels also happening and dedicating a lot of time to showing that you don't need to be married to the Jedi orthodox to still be a Jedi. We had an entire decade of Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra being trained in the Jedi ways, having a fallout, but still embracing the Jedi way in their own unique interpretation. But when it comes to the movies, no, no we can't show Luke being a flawed character (even though we had no problems with him doing un-Jedi things in RotJ), we can't have Rey be a separate person from the Palpatine or Skywalker line, we can't have Ben be taken in by the darkside and stay that way. A movie isn't going to make a billion dollars if it does anything subtle or uncomfortable.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Except all that could have turned out bad and the sacrifice several options to get there.

[@caseymcmurtry2124]

One thing I do want to say regarding your concerns about the dismissal of The Holdo Maneuver: Just because some person said in the movie "Oh that's one in a million", doesn't mean it's actually true. In the same way that Rey in the first movie said she believed Luke Skywalker was just a myth. The person who said "that's one in a million" (sorry I don't remember who said it in the movie) might actually believe that--maybe they've been told that, or maybe that's just that individual's way of dealing with Holdo's sacrifice, or maybe they're just scared to try it because the Resistance fleet is so small. And in another video, someone pointed out that, short of the one Corvette they have, the Resistance has no capital ships to try that maneuver with anyway. Yes I do think that Abrams only put in that line to prevent fans from saying "Well now that the Holdo Maneuver exists, why don't they just do that for every problem?" but your argument seems to be against the particular way they dealt with it, and I don't think that person saying what he said means that what he said was the actual truth, necessarily.

[@aceshighdueceslow]

yeah I think they could have acknowledged it better by saying something like "no, that should be our last resort" because it goes with the history of that kind of a strategy. the kamikaze attacks in WW2 (no doubt the inspiration) are remembered because no one else was doing it, it was shocking that a nation would institutionalise suicide attacks like that but outside of the shock value, the attacks were not very successful. The stats show that only about 14% of the planes actually made it to their targets and only a mere 8.5% of the attacked ships even sank. By the time these desperation attacks began in 1944, the US had command of the Pacific and it was a foregone conclusion that Japan was going to be defeated. With just that little bit of information in mind, it isn't too difficult to dedicate a couple extra lines to the conversation to get the point across that what Holdo did was extremely high-risk and was basically a desperation move that worked because the Good Guys gotta get a win.

[@22myguy]

@@aceshighdueceslow Expect that doen't solve the porblem because you can just use droids or atomate ships to use The Holdo Maneuver without anyone dying also hyper space doesn't really work like that, so the maneuver shouldn't have been an options.

[@keypath4389]

Naruto is a mountain of retcon

[@marca8368]

Naruto is just like Rey. A main character dealing with been a nobody BUT WAIT THERE WAS A SUPER SPECIAL BLOODLINE ALL THE TIME!!! And with that, this two sucks

[@Debicus]

People were just trying to fill the plot hole of Rey having the force in TFA. TFA actually gave some sort of answer, (Or at least indication that they don't matter) when Orange Yoda tells Rey that "whoever she's waiting for is never coming back." TLJ teased the audience about her parentage but then revealed they're nobodies. They had a set up, and then gave pay off to a completely different idea. If it was set up that Rey thought highly of her parents and "knew" they were somebody, the twist could've actually effected her character. Instead, she just seemed slightly curious. Either way, TFA fucked everything about Rey and the next two movies decided to double back on it and just make these problems worse.

[@Beatness121]

Rey having the force was never a plot hole though...

[@Debicus]

@@Beatness121 What I meant was the extent of how powerful she was with the force was a plot hole.

[@Beatness121]

@@Debicus That's still not a plot hole, and it certainly didn't need to be filled with some Palpatine lineage crap. Why can't people just accept that she is strong in the force? No ham-fisted explanation needed.

[@Debicus]

@@Beatness121 Let's go over this. In TFA, With no training, Rey can easily read Ben's mind, use the mind trick on a stormtrooper to escape, and force pull Anakin's lightsaber out of the snow when Ben can't. It makes no sense that Rey can do these things at this point in the story. Even if it wasn't, it's still a problem and ruins the tension of the story when Rey can use the force a a deus-ex machina at any moment.

[@RealVincent1989]

@@Debicus Force created balance. Doesn't matter who her parents were - that's what I liked about her in TLJ

[@panterloart9180]

But can we all agree Ray deserved better?

[@RealVincent1989]

many times yes

[@exar1806]

Ben deserved better. The trilogy should have been about Kylo/Ben, just as the Prequels should have been about Obiwan

[@dakazoos]

@@exar1806 Those two carried their respective trilogies hahah

[@frankvizen5480]

I actually never saw any reason to care about her. There was never a scene where I could relate to her or actually got to know her. In TFA Ben has a great scene with his father but Rey never gets anything like that. You're just expected to take everything at face value

[@erispapps9929]

Rey deserved better writing and at times better acting/directing.

[@Abonanno24601]

This series should have been a quadrilogy. Now that would have subverted our expectations.

[@connerclark3678]

Abonanno24601 Disney having to fix its #€&% ups by coming up with yet another l, fourth movie in a “trilogy” to take our money would have been a brilliant yet predictable move.

[@fornamnefternamn1532]

I actually thought that too. If they want to make another sequel trilogy (it could be about them finding a boy that had no father or something, it's like poetry, it thymes), it would start with 10. It feels off. :P

[@LaurenceQuint]

The worst part about the god awful Palpatine retcon is that not only does it completely make the earlier film a straight up lie and create all the dissonance across the trilogy that you point out, but also that, within the context of "Rise of Skywalker"...it doesn't even matter. You could still keep the movie 95% exactly the way it is and just remove the lineage business entirely. It doesn't affect the story one iota and it doesn't even affect Rey's "arc" - what little of it she has in the movie. Heck, she could even still call herself a Skywalker in the final scene, showing that she's a part of the family she chose instead of the family she was born into. Having her still be a "nobody" who rose from nothing to become a galactic saviour would have been a FAR more powerful story than what RoS gave us and would have made the final scene actually mean something. Instead, RoS isn't just a bad movie in its own right, but a movie that deliberately goes out of its way to ruin another movie for absolutely no purpose and no gain. It's for this reason that this movie is the worst in the franchise. There have been bad SW movies before, but not movies that deliberately dragged down other parts of the franchise for no reason.

[@a.r.e.j.1693]

Thank you so much for 1. the whole time turner thing, I completely agree. HP has flaws, ain't gonna deny that, but time traveling is actually dealt with perfectly. 2. The bad use of lineage in SW (and tons of other canons). I'm so sick of orphans/nobodies not being allowed to stayed that way. At first they want to sell you this nobody so you can relate (coughselfinsertcough) but then HEY YOU WERE SPECIAL ALL ALONG. Nobodies becoming heroes would be so much powerful if they were allowed to stayed nobodies.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Not really. It would still likely lead to them being unitretsing self inserts. Just one more taylored to your liking.

[@user-Olive]

Rey plot twist with Palpatine was horrible and sooo stupid, but her been nobody wasn't something brilliant and unseen before. If you remember Prequels we have the entire Jedi Order full of "Nobodies" - Obi-Wan, Mace, Qui-Gon.... And even Anakin was sort of "nobody", because he was some randome slave from shitty planet. And many jedi wasn't really buying this whole "chosen one" prophecy. Anyway, Anakin was the first special "Skywalker".

[@AsimiShadowborn]

I was really excited to see an update on your channel! ^^ Your videos are really insightful and I like the way you explain your viewpoint a lot! Thank you so much for the hard work you put into these and I wish you happy holidays! :)

[@TropeAnatomy]

wow such a nice comment thank youu! I really appreciate it and happy holidays to you too! :)

[@Haedox]

good channel thank you for the content

[@TropeAnatomy]

thanks!

[@scottr2314]

I'm all for retconning the sequel series, Rogue 1, and Solo

[@hannesjakobsson765]

They should've just given JJ the entire trilogy and then given Rian his own trilogy. Not having a plan for the trilogy and changing directors between the films worked for the original trilogy, but was a big mistake here. JJ and Rian wanted to go in different directions, but in the end neither got what they wanted.

[@TaKKun1123]

The only reason it worked in the OT is because they had a singular writer, they just needed a consistent writer who *cough* isn't JJ Abrams

[@brycebitetti1402]

@OWLofATHENS That's actually incredibly true. Looking at his previously notable Star Trek movies, he really doesn't know how to create new narratives in an already established IP, so he just coasts by on old ideas. He's a great visual director, but he's just not an ideas guy.

[@fornamnefternamn1532]

Interesting, I would probably have prefered that, then I could ignore the crap out of JJ's movies, because I don't like the way he tell stories.

[@GameCat16]

@@hypervolt9987 I disagree. The Last Jedi was a horrible story. Aside from various plot holes (that Mauler has drawn attention to), the movie's greatest flaw is that it actively refuses to tell a story in any capacity. It takes all the mysteries and subplots readily handed to it and tosses them out the window, and what little story it DOES have only met the bare minimum (and that was assuming that it was erased by the end as well). Rey's subplot with Luke amounted to nothing because he died trying to save the Resistance. The only reason the Resistance needed Luke was that everything Finn and Poe did was not only unnecessary (thanks to the "Holdo was good all along" reveal) but also because it actively sabotaged the Resistance. Luke coming in to clean up their mess not only erased the product of Rey's efforts, but it completely canceled out Finn, Poe, and Rose's subplot. This whole movie was a non-story. Compare to The Rise of Skywalker which, for all its faults, has a bunch of story (too much, actually, but that's a different matter). There is no artistic vision in The Last Jedi, let alone consistency. It was just an empty mess that wasted time.

[@TheAquaGamers]

Wyatt I disagree. 2/3 of the film are very powerful to me, specifically Luke and Rey’s dynamic and Kylo Ren’s development. Luke was built up in the Force Awakens with no answer. We really didn’t know much about what he had been doing, so Rey comes in with these expectations of grandeur Jedi magic only to find a man who has lost hope of a dogmatic worldview that he had repeated. Much like how the Jedi of old created Darth Vader, Luke came to grips with the failures of the Jedi ways when he creates Kylo Ren. The entire film is, ironically enough, Luke desperately attempting to kill the past, and to demystify his existence. But by the end of the story we see him hold the legendary mantle of Skywalker by facing down the First Order, inspiring those on distant worlds to fight the good fight. Meanwhile Kylo Ren is the Vader story flipped on its head. A Skywalker Jedi turned to the dark side who kills his master and is given a chance at redemption, but this time he rejects it. He looks to create his own order through submission to the dark side. Ren is haunted by the light side of the force where others were haunted by the dark. I think, at least conceptually, the film was thought provoking and exciting as a Star Wars fan.

[@ryanratchford2530]

Rise of sky walker really did have a really bad plot contrivances

[@cybermangaka]

You always suceed in putting into words, and not just words but also a full and coherent set of ideas, what has been going through my mind in a confused way, making everything clear and coherent. Not just about star wars but every topic you cover. Thanks so much for your videos

[@samsongriffin4091]

The video was fantastic. I agree with most of what you said, but The Last Jedi is... a far, far better movie than the other two, and your critique of Holdo and Poe's relationship falls a little flat. They're in a military organisation, he's just been demoted, and she has absolutely no obligation to tell him anything at all.

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you!

[@filipstellberg8280]

Holdo doesn't have any obligation to tell him anything, but if she is supposed to be a military commander, her behaviour is incredibly immature and unprofessional. Poe saved everyone in the entire Resistance by destroying that Dreadnought and yet both Leia and Holdo are denigrating him for risking and ultimately losing the bombing fleet, even though that would have been lost anyway. With the exception of the end battle, Poe doesn't really make any wrong calls throughout the movie, he was consistently put in bad situations by more powerful individuals than himself and he pulled through pretty much every time. There is a fundamental contradiction between what is said and what is portrayed. On that note why is Holdo being so unprofessional? For some reason she has gone an extra mile to dress as if she was going to cocktail party, with a dress rather than the uniforms worn by everyone else and coloured hair with a halo in it. She also acts antagonistic and condescending towards one of her best pilots, the guy who pretty much singlehandedly destroyed Starkiller Base mere hours earlier and who's quick thinking saved the entire Resistance from being picked off by a fleet-killing Dreadnought. This is akin to a spoiled rich kid telling an experienced and consistently successful veteran that he is being an idiot when everyone, both audience and characters, should already know that this is wrong. This is apparently supposed to be a commentary on toxic masculinity, but I can't help but wonder what the reception would be if the gender of one or even both characters was swapped. In any case it is poorly executed and this is best shown in their last scene together, wherein she refuses to tell him about the base on Crait. She essentially risks the lives of the entire Resistance, and by extension the lives and freedom and safety of the rest of the galaxy's population, just to prove a point about Poe's recklessness. This is not an action that any competent or even sane person would commit to. Ultimately the entire arc is a contradictory mess, built on a cheap and internally incoherent fake-out for the sake of manufactured drama, with a conclusion that does not make sense. And that is somehow the strongest storyline in the film. I would honestly say that Poe's moment with Lando in TRoS is conceptually stronger than this entire storyline.

[@samsongriffin4091]

@@filipstellberg8280 Cool lmao

[@discobean7253]

Thanks for this, really well done and gave me some clarity in terms of what I was feeling after having seen the movie and honestly feeling quite empty and confused. Which makes sense, since as you said, it doesn't really flow like one would hope a trilogy would. I really liked the characters and wanted them to at least have somewhat developed and explored arcs, and then somewhat satisfying or conclusive endings, even if the plot and other stuff were messy, but now I feel like we didn't really get either haha.. 🙃

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you!

[@Ucci]

brilliant video! it was a joy to watch. you now have a new subscriber!

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you!

[@matthewparker9276]

The cursed Child isn't cannon, and anyone who says it is is wrong.

[@AandJproduction]

Matthew Parker #agreeeeeeeeeeeed

[@tuamigajordana]

The Rise of Skywalker? More like the Retcon of Skywalker... you picked the best retcon example ever. Thank you.

[@Whitepawprint]

Really good analysis!

[@TropeAnatomy]

thank you!!

[@CybranM]

Totally agreed with your opinion on the lineage. Actually made me appreciate what they did with Rey's parents in TLJ, a movie which I otherwise hate. The kamikaze manoeuvre still doesn't make sense, they could just strap hyperdrives to asteroids and shotgun the empire fleet. It completely breaks the internal consistency of SW.

[@cloud_and_proud]

Hyperdrives are really expensive, that's why tiefighters don't have them.

[@CybranM]

@@cloud_and_proud Who wouldnt trade a couple Xwings for the deathstar? It'd be hard to miss a target that large

[@Cancoillotteman]

for the parentage I disagree, not because they're not famous, but because this should not matter to Rey. They were not famous okay but WHO were they ? This was the only bit of caracterisation Rey had, and they lost that last bit by answering to the fans rather than to the caracter.

[@cloud_and_proud]

@@CybranM maybe x-wings aren't big enough?

[@cloud_and_proud]

@@Cancoillotteman why would she care who they were. If I were adopted I wouldn't care who my biological parents were. My real friends and family would be the ones who matter to me.

[@MrChupacabra555]

For the 'Holdo Maneuver": My way to 'explain' why this isn't used is to have them say something like, first: "That was a one in a BILLION" shot. Then have C3PO explain that "There is just an absolute smallest fraction of a second [Picosecond]? Planck Time?] after exiting hyperspace that the ship has a 'virtual mass' thousands of times greater than its actual mass, and a speed of just below Light Speed. All of this resets to 'normal' mass and speed a fraction of a second later" "Not even the most advanced Astromech Droids have been able to calculate this well enough to make it into a weapon, but somehow Holdo managed to do the virtually impossible!" Maybe drop a hint early in the movie that Holdo is a Mathematical Savant (maybe even Force Sensitive in a very specialized way?), allowing her to make the necessary calculation, and with her gone, nothing exists that could do it again. All that being said, your statement on 'bad odds' would cancel out this 'explanation', if it were kept in.

[@imgrizze]

My problem with the holdo maneuver was that they could do the same thing with hyperspace equipped missiles or droids, so the holdo maneuver is not one in a million just put an astromech in the cockpit and shoot. Id even buy there was something in their programming that keeps them from doing it but just saying it's one and a million makes no sense and is laughable.

[@WriterusAeternus]

Your videos are so awesome. Well done! Now do more.

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank youu!

[@internisus]

"The Last Jedi in many ways hates The Force Awakens." I don't think that's true at all! I think it built off of it quite smartly and with great respect for the characters it created.

[@TropeAnatomy]

true! But I mean I don't think it's a coincidence that TFA is so tightly clinging on to the past Star Wars movies (so much so that the plot is almost identical to A New Hope) and then The Last Jedi comes along who has a very very clear message of moving on and letting go of the past. Maybe 'hates' is too strong a word but it definitely has a polar opposite philosophy to that of the JJ Abrams movies.

[@wiseguymotionpictures1416]

TFA is a nostalgia driven reintroduction/ love letter to the franchise. TLJ is the declaration that Star Wars will carry on into unexpected, and unfamiliar territory. The last film should have been setting up what comes after the Star Wars: Whose stories are ending, whose are just beginning, what about the rest of the galaxy? But instead the fans played themselves and basically told Disney “we’re not going to be happy with whatever you give us story wise.” So Disney said fuck it and just had something made that would make money. The guys who boycotted Solo, and harassed KMT and Rian Johnson, those are the ones we all have to thank for an ending that is nothing more than serviceable.

[@sharkrepellent]

​@@TropeAnatomy It's the villain that says "let the past die"

[@thaThRONe]

@@wiseguymotionpictures1416 That's fine but you can't do that in the middle of a trilogy. Especially not in such a clusterfuck type of way that Rian Johnson did so. That movie is a incoherent mess. I left the theater legitimately wonder if the maker had ever seen TFA or any SW movie ever before. It felt as if someone read an early draft for episode 7 and just made their movie based totally on that draft. Nothing about that movie make any sense. Then to top it off Rian walks back all the "bold" decisions he made in the film thus making it worse.

[@theomegajuice8660]

I agree that TLJ doesn't hate TFA. When I watched TFA, my opinion was always "That was really great... but they need to do something really different with the next otherwise these films won't gave their own identity" and TLJ did exactly that... going quite a bit further than I expected. If TLJ had gone the same route and been a nostalgic rehash of the plot points in Empires, rather than find a way to rediscover way that core character and plot elements FELT in Empires whilst taking some bold risks, it would have retroactively made TFA a worse film. It would mean the decision to closely follow the plot and story beats of the first Star Wars wasn't a creative choice to draw people back into the headspace of the original trilogy before telling it's own story... it was a purely financial choice to make safe cash cows without rocking the boat. When I watched TFA, my opinion was "That was really great... but they need to do something really different with the next otherwise these films won't gave their own identity" and TLJ did exactly that. After leaving TLJ, my opinion was "That was really great... but it was really downbeat and the characters mostly failed so the third film has to make that mean something to be fully satisfying" TROS failed to do that and didn't even try most of the time.

[@ryancarter6876]

Palpatine didn't survive blowing up...as Palpatine says, "I have died before." He just copied his brain and redownloaded it into a new body, like he did with Snoke, and he probably has a computer somewhere doing it again. I don't know why he was in his old body again, make a cuter body dude, he is just cloning Snoke vessels but he could be looking like Anakin if he wanted.

[@tamimae4797]

This was a beautifully written and edited commentary. Your point on the three films being three stand alone that hate each other is so on point and explains what happened with this trilogy so well. Like, you said a trilogy are supposed to compliment each other and the movies just don't. I had to pause the video when you said your take on how it should ended with Rey replying with "I'm Rey. Just Rey" That would have been a perfect way to tie up the series as it validates and goes back to where we all started. It is unfortunate the trilogy ended this way but it does go back to a lack of cohesiveness from the start. I am disappointed in TROS but there are definitely a ton of other factors that you mentioned that contributed to the series ending in this way. This is a really beautiful commentary and thank you for it :)

[@JoshForeman]

This sums up my feelings perfectly

[@sokiel6663]

Thanks for the analysis! To me TFA takes all the blame, it failed to be a story, a SW movie or a good start to the story, it twisted and warped all the characters and everything that was previously established in the SW universe, turned the setting back to the state of Ep IV, negating all the struggle of the characters of the original trilogy went trough, and shamelessly repeating some plot elements. It introduced new unlikable characters without development or depth, without important themes or anything.. There were some things I liked in 8 and 9, but to me 7 does not have a single redeeming quality. I liked how 8 hated on 7, because 7 deserved it. It didn't make 8 a good movie, or a good SW movie, it made 8 more of "space balls 2", if anything.

[@cityman2312]

The Holdo manoever broke the Star Wars universe. Why wasn't it done against the Death Star? Why didn't the Empire ever use it? It doesn't add up.

[@shawnowens8336]

Well said. Particularly in that it not only retcons the TLJ but also ROTJ and the prequals. What was so difficult about letting Kylo be the big bad? It would have put more emphasis on the most interesting character in the new trilogy. How much more powerful would Kylo's redemption have been if we didn't have the return of Palpatine. I would love to see what each of these directors would have done had they directed all 3 films. My suspicion is that JJ would have given us 3 films that followed all the beats of the original trilogy much like (TFA and A New Hope) RJ would have given us something a little more challenging (sans space casinos hopefully). The problem is that "a little more challenging" doesn't put people in the seats and that at the end of the day is what its all about. As long as I'm dreaming how about a Chris Nolan Star Wars trilogy.....

[@rbrainsop1]

It totally makes sense to me that the Holdo maneuver would be like kamikaze fighters and not used very often. It's an incredibly expensive maneuver. Besides the cost of a life, you're also using an entire ship as a torpedo. That makes for a VERY expensive missile. I wouldn't expect it to be used except in the most extreme circumstances

[@filipstellberg8280]

The thing is, you could just make an actual missile and strap on a hyperdrive. Or make a ship from cheap and dense material. This is the sort of thing that anyone would pull in every battle if hyperspace ramming was a thing. Given that you could wipe out an entire armada for the prize of one ship, that does seem like a fair trade.

[@themanformerlyknownascomme777]

@@filipstellberg8280 and many factions have the money for such expensive tech

[@SchulzEricT]

Incredibly CHEAP maneuver. Hyperdrives are cheap as fuck, so are asteroids, and droids are plentiful as fuck. Strap a hyperdrive on an asteroid, have a droid "pilot" it, and now you've got some powerful, cheap, plentiful weaponry; more dangerous than the Death Star without the drawbacks. Easy.

[@JCMiniPainting]

Convincing analysis. Given that I've only watched YT videos ABOUT star wars 7-9, and never actually watched 8-9, I liked your takeaway. Then again I don't care about Star Wars anymore.

[@aishas4818]

First issue: Not planning out the entire sequel trilogy. Honestly, how did Disney not expect this to go wrong??? They brought on completely 3 different directors( if we also count Trevorrow) , wanted to rush out 3 films in 4 years and didn't have a coherent story from the start.

[@QuickQuackReviews]

The fact that Holdo had to resort to a one in a million shot was not by choice. If Poe hadn’t sent Finn and Rose away, leading to their plan being leaked to the First Order, she would never have had to resort to bad odds herself. Good thing it worked. As for Hux’s reaction: If someone points a handgun at you from a thousand meters, aren’t you going to panic a little bit and swiftly order a retaliation even though you know you’re unlikely to get shot? Palpatine’s return and Rey’s relation to him was actually foreshadowed in both previous movies. The former with his theme playing during one of Snoke’s scenes in TLJ, and the latter with Rey’s fighting style in TFA being copied from the fight between Palpatine and Windu in ROTS. Then there’s Rey’s inclination towards the Dark Side in TLJ, when she’s meditating with Luke and finds the Dark Side crystal hole. In TFA, characters are constantly sensing something familiar about Rey and asking who she is - notably characters who were around during Palpatine’s reign (the old lady on Jakku in the trailer, Han, Maz, Luke). Kylo Ren knows that Rey is special even before she is able to use Force powers, because Snoke told him to look out for some girl (which we now know is because Snoke is an extension of Palpatine, who at this point was trying to locate his granddaughter).

[@rumgie6729]

JJ should have directed all 3, they wouldn’t be perfect movies but at least you could watch them together

[@frankvizen5480]

They'd probably be awful..... but certainly not as awful as what we got. Ugh Rian Johnson made such a mess

[@MyKeyMoonShine]

I hate TLJ but JJs contributions are both awful and have nothing but cheap nostalgia to show for them.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

RumWoogie all three films would’ve been filled with mystery boxes that would never get answered

[@ShiftySetax]

Maybe the writers should have read Tina Fey's book on improv.

[@ShiftySetax]

Also wanting to vent my opinions on the actors and the rest of the cast and crew, I feel bad for them. They put forth a valiant effort. All the stuff happening behind the curtain is done well, and the actors are definitely trying. They were just not given the proper opportunity, and that honestly sucks. Plus a lot of them have been (in my personal opinion) unjustly blamed for the quality of these movies. Special shout-out to poor Adam Driver, who thought he wasn't going to play Darth Vader Part 2.

[@KireiC]

@@ShiftySetax Seconded! Also, from first viewing of TFA, I was crossing my fingers that Kylo/Ben would *not* have a last minute heel/face turn and die for redemption. Surely, SURELY, they would realize how boring that would be to just echo Darth Vader's last minute redemption... ;_;

[@chrismoscrop4657]

The Holdo maneuver made all if the original films obsolete. The attack an the first Death Star was waste of time. They could have attacked it using a hyper space craft with a brick on the throttle pedal. TLJ wrecked the entire saga.

[@ReySkywalker2]

Palpatine’s survival makes sense. He transported himself to Exegol, which almost killed his and destroyed his body.

[@andrerichardsousa]

The last jedi started this, FA : Luke is doing something somewhere, he leave a map behind and program R2D2 to find him. TLJ : Luke when to reclusion, didn't leave a map or R2D2 behind. FA : Rey is strong with the force because something about her family TLJ : Rey is strong with the force, because the force want it?! and her family are nobody. etc etc KK really fuck it up by not making someone in charge off the trilogy from the start.

[@getouthope]

JJ Abrams wrote Rian into a corner. There was no good reason for Luke to abandon the Resistance and his sister, and let Han die other than the fact that Luke had given up. And Force Awakens never said Rey was strong because of her lineage.

[@Zeknif1]

I believe that the "You come from nobody" reveal would have been taken a lot better if the Force Bond between her and Kylo were demonstrated as an effective means for her to receive her training. Rather than simply being Force Skype, they could have had her training on the rock while Kylo spars with droids or one of the Praetorian Guard, and slowly have Rey start to mirror Kylo's motions before they catch sight of one another for a moment causing her to panic and cut the rock in two. The big issue that you ran into with simply "You come from nothing" as presented in TLJ is that we already had a Force Sensitive that came from nothing, Anakin Skywalker... and he still required considerable training, and still ended up failing quite spectacularly against several foes he was confronted with, whereas Rey, in addition to possessing considerable power, also possessed enough skill to overcome an (Albeit handicapped) Kylo by "Letting the force in" but had also resisted his mind probe. TLJ exacerbated the issue with Snoke actually calling out Kylo for losing to Rey who had never touched a lightsaber before, and proceeded to essentially not train Rey through Luke OR her force bond with Kylo. It lifts the veil on the origin of Rey by saying she comes from nothing, but does next to nothing to address her ability to wield her considerable power. The Idea is good conceptually, but Rian Johnson flubbed the execution, and JJ ran away from it as fast as he could.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Johnson did write Abrams in a corner. He killed off the big bad giving JJ a few mostly bad options. 1. Make Kylo pure evil. 2. Bring back Snoke somehow. 3. Come up with a new bad guy or bring back someone from the past. Which he did with Palpatine & New guy Pryde. 4. Elevate Hux. All bad options.

[@Xehanort10]

Despite Disney claiming bringing back Palpatine was always the plan it wasn't. It was clearly done in a panic when Johnson killed off Snoke.

[@knightatyourservice7512]

Great video! I also think TROS was a great movie on its own, but, as an ending for a trilogy and a saga, is really dissapointing. I will give you that remarc though: Palpatine coming back does not ruin Vader's/Anakin's arc. AT-AT Chat made a video about that so you can check it if you want. But, as a quick summary, Vader wanted to kill Palpatine so he can save Luke. The last hope for the galaxy and his son. Beside that, he didn't had any other reason to kill Sheev. Plus I never was convinced that he died. I mean I don't know what that blue light actually was. But yeah, they've should tease the way back. You could say the coregraphy in TFA and how Rey is atracted by the dark side hinted that somehow, but that's it.

[@Pyke_]

You know there is something wrong with a trilogy when somebody put one of the movies against another

[@krustomer]

I absolutely agree. I wish JJ just accepted the past instead of taking Kylo's advice and killing it.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

If we are being entirely honest, the Holdo Maneuver in itself is a retcon. Nothing in the prior films or even broader Star Wars universe has ever indicated that Hyperspace has such destructive capabilities. It doesn't matter how many real world equations people use in real life to justify this scene, if Hyperspace was capable of doing this then the entire evolution of warfare would have been different in Star Wars. There would not be ships, why make entire fleets of ships when a single gigantic sized (but still smaller than than a ship) missile can that travel at hyperspace can take out that entire fleet? Simply put, a ship being able to do this is a retcon and as it blatantly contradicts established lore. Rian wanted to make a really cool scene but that scene simply made zero sense in the context of Star Wars's internal rules. Even before JJ included that scene, the Holdo Maneuver was ridiculous because it contradicts the 7 films that came before. And that's just one example, even something like Rey being a nobody can be seen a retcon because the Force Awakens explicitly foreshadowed _something._ Blaming JJ and absolving Rian is such a double standard. If you are going to blame JJ, you need to equally blame Rian.

[@GhostOfSparta305]

Y’know, it’s uncanny how you’re able to consistently and precisely dissect what you find wrong with a film/show with crystal clear language and a plethora of appropriate visual aids. The fact that I agree with all of your arguments thus far isn’t even the point here. It’s just so genuinely refreshing to see someone put their argument out there with the sole intention of generating good discussion, rather than shoving their opinion down others’ throats. You come off as a patient educator instead of a projective dictator. Please keep up the great work. This channel is quickly becoming my go-to for modern media criticism.

[@TropeAnatomy]

Wow thank you so much! It really means a lot, I always doubt whether I’m saying anything worthwhile in these and comments like this really encourage me to keep making videos so thank you 🙏🏽 ✨

[@sita1993m]

Bruh,they did my girl dirty.

[@gavroch3vod]

really enjoyed your video but : even if Rian left a door opened for JJ One movie supposed to close the trilogy wasnt the place to open this door

[@JediDanD]

Yeah, Spider-Man 3 retcon what happened, but Dennis startled Flint and he clutched his hand pulling the trigger, so if Peter stopped Dennis, he wouldn’t have been able to startled Flint, so it’s still Peter’s fault, lol.

[@christian11111]

I agree with you on all statements, I just wanted to add my opinion on the Holdo Maneuver issue. The Rise of Skywalker tries to dismiss it (poorly), but the main issue is that hyperspace ramming is now a thing in Star Wars. I agree the concept is similar to kamikaze attacks but the issue is that in Star Wars if you have hyperspace ramming it raises a ton of issues. This one act destroys everything before it, and thus it had to be dismissed. The time turner is totally different than hyperspace ramming. The time turner allows someone to affect the one and only timeline, so you can't change the past or future, only take part in it in an additional way. Yeah time travel is messy and weird but at a base level it doesn't destroy the previous movies as implemented through the time turner. While hyperspace ramming makes us all ask, well why didn't they do that with a small ship and a droid to destroy the death star? We don't see kamikaze attacks much as it results in lost soldiers, equipment, and not a guaranteed kill, while if hyperspace ramming is a thing they would only be sacrificing equipment. Probably a cheap droid, a cheap ship, and a guaranteed kill as the computer can calculate everything instantaneously to come out of hyperspace and then immediately hyperspace ram into something. It also raises the question then of how hyperspace works, the previous movies suggest that when traveling through hyperspace you can't hit anything, it is upon arrival that things can get messy, thats why the computer has to calculate your destination properly so you dont end up inside a star or planet. Now hyperspace is just traveling through space really fast, otherwise the ship couldnt ram into another. Hyperspace ramming is the single biggest star wars destroying aspect to the The Last Jedi. Also I agree Rey should have remained a nobody, it makes more sense and wouldnt have to cause more problems by bring Palpatine back into this.

[@MidnyaDaCow]

personally i think Last Jedi complimented Force Awakens as a well done sequel, really telling us who these characters are, it's why i love it so much. Rise of Skywalker however doesn't do that. It's message of choosing your own family is good but it still doesn't build upon Last Jedi. I don't hate Rise of Skywalker but i am disappointed with those involved not building upon the previous film, say what you want of Last Jedi but please give it the credit it deserves even if it wasn't to your liking.

[@DitisEmile]

I completely agree with you!

[@davidrich27]

Kamikazeing the fleet was not part of Haldo’s original plan. Her plan was to keep piloting the cruiser as normal so not to raise suspicion. But when the escape pods get discovered, that’s when she rams the fleet. So the likelihood of it working wasn’t addressed or implied in TLJ (though idk why it would have a high chance of failure).

[@dominomasked]

Maybe it was a one in a million shot from a certain point of view.

[@blackeyedlily]

Thank you! I happen to love TLJ and Rey Nobody and am really sorry they chose to go in this direction. Responding to fan backlash feels like a bad way to make film.

[@filiperocha4025]

@Pinkaugust The movie tanked because of disgusting "fans" like yourself that only know how to suck the life and love out of Star Wars Creative Directors, you were the ones that pushed Lucas away, and you were the ones that forced Abrams hand into the fan service bullshit that RotS was.

[@barthomero721]

Yeah but that was made for an audience reaction to "look how wrong the theories are" because in canon Rey never cared if her parents we're someone, at least in TFA she only cared for them to come back

[@Dragons_Armory]

You said it pal, now this vid's saved in my "Refutation" folder It summed up all I've been too lazy and shy to express

[@TM-dq5lr]

Okay this is good but I NEED your Cats video now PLEASE

[@autumncarpenter282]

What do you use to edit your videos? You are fantastic btw I'm fascinated by your channel

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you so much! I use Final Cut Pro

[@autumncarpenter282]

Trope Anatomy thank you so much! I'm so inspired by your channel. Your videos are so interesting and I always look forward to new uploads on your channel 💖 Have a great day!

[@nolwetar424]

I really can't stand the way Abrams tells a story... He tries too much to create nostalgia for the original trilogy that his own stories are incoherent. It was Johnson who had to salvage what The Force Awakens set up and (except the Canto Bay plot) he did quite well in my opinion... I really hate how Abrams waves off everything Johnson related in the third film. I also still can't believe that the story was not thought out at the beginning, that it was heading nowhere from the very start.

[@frankvizen5480]

His total disregard for Rian Johnson's work was the only thing that made me happy about this film. Not happy enough to like it though Hahaha

[@SchulzEricT]

"Tells a story"

[@rooty]

Hang on, what recent events about jk rowling?

[@ayanhart]

She openly supported a TERF and her transphobia is becoming more and more blatant.

[@rooty]

@@ayanhart Oh dear.

[@Dan-ji4db]

Feminists are mad at JK because she dared to defend a woman whose job contract wasnt renewed for tweeting that men cant become women biologically. You'll only convince me she's wrong when trans women start having babies.

[@rooty]

@@Dan-ji4db I'd better tell my sister who is infertile the bad news then. She's a man apparently. Going to be quite the shock for her, I mean him.

[@minako134]

@@Dan-ji4db That's not all the woman said. She called trans women "men in dresses".

[@Waltonruler5]

Thank you so much, this was exactly my thought. It was like JJ made a checklist of everything people complained about in TLJ and set off to correct everything. Here's a tiny one that would've been innocent on it's own. I noticed random throwaway dialogue given to a Mon Calamari in RoS. My first thought was "Oh, people complained about Ackbar dying, he must have been put there to appease that." On my second viewing, I noticed Poe walks up to him and calls him "Junior." They literally went so far as to make Admiral Ackbar Jr. in response to Admiral Ackbar dying. Now I gotta think about him bumping uglies. The lengths this movie will go to to "fix" TLJ...

[@vasari9198]

This is one of the most interesting videos about Rise of Skywalker on KZbin. Out of many videos, this looks at the Sequel Trilogy from a unique perspective. 👍

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you so much!

[@liaml.e.5964]

The matter with Holdo's suicide isn't the cool factor (which it definitely was cool ), but the fact that it broke the Lore in an absurd way just FOR the cool factor.

[@getouthope]

where in canon does it say you can't hyperjump through enemy ships?

[@onkelpappkov2666]

@@getouthope Would have saved a bunch of lives if one of the X-Wings had just crashed into the Death Star instead of all this exhaust port business.

[@getouthope]

Onkel Pappkov just because george lucas didn’t think of that doesn’t mean it can’t happen

[@connerclark3678]

get out hope But because George Lucas wrote out several situations where a Holdo ram would’ve been a very logical approach to and characters did not use it... it should be safe to say it is not possible within the story’s internal logic. After all, my guess is you’ve never read anything antimatter did NOT power the Apollo 11 craft, but do you want to assume that? Yes, yes you can/should safely assume that. because if antimatter were a reliable/feasible fuel source for a spaceship back in 1969, it would be such an important factor to all other aspects of science/technology that its implications for how we make engineering decisions would already be spread into other “episodes” of the life you’ve observed.

[@getouthope]

Conner Clark it’s literally science fiction you can do whatever tf you want. it doesn’t have to be realistic. i would understand if George had thought of it and explained why it couldn’t work, but it never crossed his mind. Rian thought of it and it’s fucking awesome. I don’t get why everyone cares so much about the logistics of it

[@aria5614]

"Well what about the Holdo maneuver?" "We'll have to find a volunteer for that and sacrifice a ship! _And_ a pilot!" "Fair point." Its not that hard to explain Abrams.

[@joshgrant6873]

Except that then every single argument would've been "Oh boo hoo, you would've lost one ship and one pilot in exchange for all but guaranteeing you'd win the battle." Rian Johnson deciding that Hyperspace jumping could be used as a weapon literally breaks the entire concept of what's dangerous in the entire Star Wars universe. If something as small (relatively) as the Republic ship was able to destroy something that much bigger than itself with no danger except losing a single ship and a pilot, that would've been automated forever ago to where it would be no different than building a giant missile and everyone would use it. Why didn't the Rebels use it against the Death Star instead of relying on the ventilation shaft? The only thing you can do to explain why it's not being used all the time is by saying "it almost never works and is an insanely risky move and 99.9999999% of the time, all you're doing is sacrificing an entire ship and pilot for no benefit."

[@aria5614]

@@joshgrant6873 I'm not going to argue with you. My point was from a writing perspective there is a simple and easy explanation for why they didn't pull a Kamikaze.

[@GameCat16]

Doesn't change the fact that one ship is a small price to pay to destroy an entire fleet of pseudo Death Stars.

[@wiseguymotionpictures1416]

Loosecat 56 it’s not even the best explanation. I’ll give you an even better, although not as simplistic one: she made dumb luck accurate calculations and managed to hit something just before top speed. Hyperdrive engines are designed to miss objects while accelerating onto inter-dimensional routes. Although “that was one in a million” works as an explanation too.

[@caseygoddard]

The best fan theory I've heard is that the Holdo maneuver only worked because the First Order ship had a hyperspace tracking device. The device can track hyperspace objects because it's being held in hyperspace. The Resistance cruiser hit it just after entering hyperspace causing a powerful kinetic shock-wave that spilled into normal space. Of course, JJ Abrams threw that idea out the window in RotS...

[@MoviesRemastered]

I had to be your 1000th comment. 🤘 Nice video.

[@winglessmecha]

"FIYAH ON THAT CRUISER" hahaha

[@rainpooper7088]

12:42 Rey‘s gramps was a Villain Sue and that‘s where she got her own Sue-ishness from. *BRILLIANT!*

[@RuhrRedArmy]

We don’t have kamikaze pilots anymore because it isn’t particularly effective, and the human cost. But the lightspeed impact is quite clearly ridiculous effective for very little cost and there’s no good reason why it wouldn’t be used all the time. I thought it was awesome, and as an idea, it’s cool, but it breaks Star Wars’ internal logic.

[@angelictreble]

I love your videos and this one was great!!

[@TropeAnatomy]

thank youuu!

[@safy907]

Two directors, each with their own vision, each wanted a different trilogy. Not possible to make a cohesive story.