Retro Ups & Downs: WCW/nWo Souled Out 97

Our retro review of WCW/nWo Souled Out 1997 as Simon Miller talks about Hulk Hogan vs The Giant, Eddie Guerrero vs Sean Waltman, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall vs The Steiners, a Miss nWo contest and much more.
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[@youtubeman3356]

here again to suggest TNA Victory Road 2009: the birth of the legendary “-5 stars”

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

The infamous gold boat promo

[@peterq1978]

poor Simon lol

[@ELKHOLY116]

If I were Simon I'd just cancel this segment at this point 😂😂

[@peterq1978]

lets not spoil his fun when he does get a good one.... Simon should however rule out some every time he gets through one of these ones.

[@ericambrose7024]

I thought that was the Sandman, Justin Credible, Steve Corino match from the last ECW Pay Per View.

[@j0njn]

Let’s all make Simon happy and get This Tuesday in Texas selected. Imagine his joy at reviewing Repo Man!

[@DamionStingerDrake]

I’m gonna keep posting something different. Lucha underground Aztec warfare 2 debut of Rey Mysterio and Matanza.

[@animamaster]

Let's do Victory Road 2009. The infamous minus 5 stars rant from Bryan Alvarez. Please lets do this one

[@Ashley28822]

Unforgiven 2006 Armageddon 2006...that nose break in the 4 way tag match will never leave me!

[@imairtoliver139]

I think No Way Out 2003 would be a great ppv you could review it had a lot of good matches except for HHH vs Steiner

[@VileSyndicxte]

I didn't order this PPV _because_ it had Triple H vs. Steiner. That Royal Rumble match before was sh!tty enough. Ugh.

[@SavageGXEP]

Oh man the Triple H Vs. Steiner match was just so so bad smh

[@tmage23]

8:55 Orange juice dates back to the 17th century but it didn't become a staple beverage of breakfast until the early 1900s

[@skyleroliver7078]

For a suggestion: WWE’s bad faction themed show in the same year: In Your House: D-Generation X

[@zacharythomason7359]

Exactly.

[@nolankuffner3573]

Except there was: No heel officiating. MUCH better commentary. Ken Shamrock headlining a WWF PPV in his prime (and, despite the DQ finish, was an actual ending). An excellent opening match with real stakes. Oh, and a little IC title match that featured the first PPV match between Stone Cold and the Rock. To suggest it was as bad is ridiculous.

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

@@nolankuffner3573 don't forget Stone Cold entering the arena with a truck LOL

[@Bownzinho]

@@nolankuffner3573 my favourite part of the commentary was Jim Ross’s comments during the Goldust segment lol

[@jamesgraves2183]

here again to suggest Wrestlemania 28. truly one of the most iconic wrestlemanias ever and live crowd reactions that night are 🔥

[@ForWhatItsWorth_]

I wouldn't say iconic...

[@Oh_Ehm_Gee]

yeahhh no

[@ashwinirabidas9080]

It's not retro

[@nolankuffner3573]

This segment should really be called: The Internet Wrestling Community tortures Simon Miller with terrible pay-per-views (that were probably WCW shows).

[@neilcoatham]

WCW Slam-Boree 2000 let's get Simon watching more wcw 2000

[@boyankovachev7982]

Have mercy on him

[@unclesteed]

Bahahaha

[@unclesteed]

WCW Greed

[@CHANCEFOR27]

14:30 The ladies were so old that you called it the “NWA Beauty Contest”

[@tomkw732]

What happened to the 380+ likes for 'This Tuesday in Texas 1991' from last week 🤔

[@RandallWI]

He might do it next week 🤔... there's no way Simon didn't notice that

[@phoenix0401]

Starrcade ‘97. WCW somehow screws up an unscrew-upable angle. Also Hart as a REF for Zbysko-Bischoff and Nash’s heart issues.

[@markh8713]

The start of their downfall. Sting was the hottest thing going and the killed it real quick

[@chasechaney3055]

Simon losing his shit had me laughing so hard I couldn't death! I woke up both my kids. My oldest came into my room, worried, and to make sure I was okay!

[@jamesgraves2183]

Simon PLS do Wrestlemania 28!!! John Cena vs The Rock ONCE IN A LIFETIME! Undertaker vs Triple H END OF AN ERA! Cm Punk vs Chris Jericho BEST IN THE WORLD VS BEST IN THE WORLD! It’s a no brainer ❤️

[@droppingtheball8779]

I y

[@quadirmyrick690]

He did it bro

[@Bigd2k]

Ok people we need to get together and give Simon a good PPV for next week. We’ve tortured him enough.

[@SolidSolve]

Could binge watch these over the real shows most times 😂😩🤣

[@LongLiveSoap]

Thank you to whoever recommended this PPV. I love you, Simon, but bad PPVs are great PPVs.

[@joaosequeira2405]

Observer star ratings for the curious since Simon forgot: Masa Chono vs Jericho: 2 stars Big Bubba vs Hugh Morrus: 0.5 stars Jeff Jarret vs Mr. Wallstreet: DUD (0) stars Buff Bagwell vs Scotty Riggs: 1.25 stars Scott Norton vs DDP: 0.5 stars Rick and Scott vs Outsiders: 2.25 stars Eddy vs Syxx: 4 stars Hogan vs Giant: -1.5 stars (yes, negative 1.5 stars)

[@MarkSmith-ub4hq]

He didn’t forget, he said they were crap a part from a couple

[@gannonhowland6274]

I appreciate it but Bagwell vs Riggs actually got 1.25 and not 0.25

[@Blaksuperman88]

You want to upset Simon Miller: get him to review a retro WCW show.

[@bury_the_elite65294]

...from about 1997 onward.

[@arnaldomedina3961]

We need to do WCW Starrcade 1999. The PPV were Goldberg kicked Bret Hart in the head so bad that in signaled the end of his career.

[@tubster105]

I read Bret Hart’s book He wrestled multiple times after being concussed taking hard bumps and head shots from weapons this along with his stroke ended his career It wasn’t just Goldberg entirely.

[@stevenmacaulay8807]

that is beyond stupid of you to say, i have read his book too... regardless it was bill , if i broke your leg i still broke your leg...

[@tubster105]

Steven Macaulay no it was beyond stupid for a concussed wrestler to continue to wrestle with all the symptoms Bret was experiencing. He made a poor choice of judgement and it cost him his career.

[@Atroz7]

"It's a mystery like evolution" was the best squeezed in joke on ups and downs

[@mohamedyussuf5617]

Man I love Retro UPS AND DOWNS!!! Please Simon Miller give us MORE WCW Retro ups and downs!!!!!!

[@oliverthomas-couch]

TNA Destination X 2008 so Simon can watch Shark boy and Curry man vs 3D as well as Samoa Joe, Christian and Nash vs Angle, Styles and Tomko.

[@chunkyboyjames]

I’m gonna keep suggesting it: TNA Victory Road 2011, the Sting vs Jeff Hardy incident

[@Bonesaw_McGraw]

And each week you don't get it. Because no one wants it clown

[@gorgusan]

We absolutely need to do SUMMER SLAM 92 before this year's SS.

[@marvelsProtege]

Hugh Morris is a real PoS

[@HairyBlackBeard]

I was at this show. The highlight of it all for me was the ladder match and getting to be at an autograph signing a few hours before the show with Hall and Nash. Oh, and DDP showing up.

[@KingJason_01]

WCW Slamboree 2000 or WWE Royal Rumble 2003 🙏😂😂

[@TheReignofHorror]

So is Retro Ups and Downs just whatever Simon feels like doing now? Not that I am complaining, but I have not seen a single poll for this show in weeks yet you still ask for suggestions at the end. Anyway my suggestion will be Summerslam 2000 (first TLC, HHH vs Rock vs Angle)

[@ryananderson5202]

Haven't you realized yet? What culture Does these retro UPS and Downs so people will be encouraged to subscribe to subscribe to peacock or the WWE network and watch these old paper views. It's just advertising. Just like the domino's pizza advertising this week. Just like the last 2 days what culture going heavy into talking about the Delta variant and lockdowns. What culture are just political shills at this point.

[@shrikrishna19993]

@@ryananderson5202 If you think that you are quite unaware of wrestling KZbin channels. I don't remember which channel started reviewing past wrestling shows but Whatculture just jumped on the trend and are getting great views on these videos. They create what makes them money 💸 , and if you watch their channel you will never call them leaning towards WWE. They criticize WWE the most.

[@pacman52280]

My suggestion is to do an Ups and Downs for most, if not all, of Repo Man's matches in WWE. Let's do something for Simon to say thank you for all the entertainment he's given us since he started.

[@frankhoward6645]

Great review as always Simon your awesome my suggestion next weekend is Summerslam 2003

[@vincentcarbaugh5110]

Would love to see you review Judgement Day 2005. The I quit match between JBL and John Cena is one of my all time favorite matches.

[@zachgoddard6445]

Survivor Series 2005. The best version of the Smackdown vs Raw War done properly

[@cdhstarz]

I swear that in this video Simon does the exaggerated number joke right about 82,794 times. Love you Simon.

[@wstine79]

"Nu nu nu NEW MILLER ORDER!" ::::guitar riff:::

[@sammcpherson82]

Thats cool

[@haydenmarshall2010]

We we are in control!

[@jordanwartooth9903]

Retro UPs and Downs: PLEASE for the love of dog, IN YOUR HOUSE CANADIAN STAMPEDE!!!

[@terrasquad1134]

I second that. In the comments

[@jessesantiago2668]

Hey Simon!!! Let's do a fun and awesome show for your retro ups and downs. I suggest Lucha Underground Ultima Lucha Tres!!!!

[@SheriffOutlaw]

Ladies and Gentlemen! Welcome to Simon Miller's Hall of Shameful PPVs! Presenting: WCW/NWO Souled Out 97' My word what was up with this dumpster fire of a debut for a new PPV. But huge praise to the talented undercard of the time

[@KyleKnoblauch]

Riggs and Bagwell were a tag team known as the American Males and had a nasty split, that was the back story for their match up here, however no one remembered that at this point....

[@artistmachine]

You should review the Monday Night Raw where Evolution betray Randy Orton or the first Taboo Tuesday. Or the Raw where Kane takes off his mask for the first time.

[@kurtpaulsen6579]

Lucha Underground Ultima Lucha I... The final two episodes of season 1... Requested yet again...

[@Deadline63]

Wrestlemania X...(Macho Man vs. Crush, Bret vs. Owen, HBK vs. Razor Ramon ladder match IC Titles, Luger vs. Yoko / Yoko vs. Bret. Doink/Dink vs. Bam Bam/Luna And MORE!)

[@dylanogg347]

The match between Bagwell and Riggs had some heat to it since the American Males had just broken up with Bagwell joining the n.W.o.

[@odelljames2976]

This is the absolute funniest retro ups and down 💀💀💀💀💀

[@Bonesaw_McGraw]

It's so better with a bad ppv haha and wcw

[@cmccrilly4594]

The first eposide of Sunday night heat

[@sh77511]

Bring these back simon

[@riotd.r.8363]

I mean, when you bite an orange you notice the juice. I'm sure someone thought "I love this, but I don't want to bite it." Hence the experiments with juicing

[@luisterral3187]

The smack down episode where Vince announced the return of the NWO.” A lethal dose of poison”!

[@Aaronaurelius]

I know this isn’t the place, but I will keep asking: Clean Finish Counter! Also, the Raw after Kane Unmasks and choke slams Eric Bischoff through the table.

[@jackspence6061]

That might be a legit thing to suggest to Wrestling Bios Monday Night War series XD

[@davetaylor2645]

Backlash 2000. It's strange watching AE stuff and cringing at things, but back then it all seemed awesome.

[@MrLufito]

Review the SummerSlam that had Nexus vs Team WWE

[@k9feces]

Back in the day we needed descrambler boxes to illegally watch PPV

[@onepathofreason1]

That hasn't changed too much, people are using VPN's to scramble their country code so they can access content on different platforms. The more things change the more they stay the same.

[@z216ghost]

What was Buff Bagwell's thing with Scotts? Tagged with and feuded with Scotty Riggs, Scott Norton, and Scott Steiner.

[@brysonsimmons3528]

ups and downs: raw roulette 2010 (John Cena vs. Randy Orton Tables Match)

[@DJDoubleCee]

I didn’t watch too much WCW, so I never quite understood why the company referred themselves as WCW/nWo. Was nWo that powerful?

[@MrPLLuke]

Yeah, nWo was like his own brand at some point

[@justincumbo9512]

@@MrPLLuke hell nwo could’ve beat wwe and aew now they were that hype for a couple of months honesty

[@vernessalkic1065]

@@justincumbo9512 couple of months. Lol more like 2 years.

[@justincumbo9512]

@@vernessalkic1065 from what years would you say. Because they fell off after awhile

[@vernessalkic1065]

@@justincumbo9512 mid 96 to easy end of 97. That’s a year and a half. But they were still pretty big even trough at least half on 98. That’s 2 full years on being top dogs easy.

[@twistedalbert012]

"NWA beauty contest" Great video👍🏻

[@KINGLADUDU]

You should do Great American bash 2004

[@danielpodulubny8375]

simon please do Summer slam 1991 .... lots of good stuff in there!! also my fave PPV of the 90's

[@tezjames5436]

I miss the wrestling channel 147 on sky

[@rjgoodman4056]

Throwback to when Simon actually gave criticism to the shows he reviews and not just blindly giving out ups for everything.

[@joechops90]

I am once again suggesting SummerSlam 1992

[@grungyperry7530]

16:27 this had me dying with laughter 🤣

[@DillyDilly13]

Just makes my day when I see an Ups and Downs on the feed. That said. UNFORGIVEN 2006

[@DillyDilly13]

@Hugh Honey It wasn’t supposed to be shitty what

[@mcj88]

I nominate WCW Spring Stampede 2000, in honour of AEW scheduling the first televised show at United Center since that event 21 years ago!

[@sportsdebatearena]

RETRO UPS AND DOWNS SUGGESTION: Elimination Chamber 2017-Bray Wyatt's first WWE Championship win

[@gastonisaccburgoalujan7302]

Simon review the raw when Cena and Taker took on DX and JeriShow before survivor series 2009

[@DinoD10520]

I remember that a house band performed during the pay per view. The lead singer dressed in camouflage and shouted New World Order. For some reason I remember the band paying more than most of the matches on this pay per view.

[@SeanH212]

Summerslam 2000 Kane vs Undertaker, triple threat wwf championship match and of course the debut of the TLC match between E&C vs The Hardy Boyz/s vs The Dudley Boys

[@Wintermute87]

IYH Buried Alive 1996 1st ever buried alive match and 1st time we heard the glass smash SCSA entrance

[@dbone3356]

This got more Ups than I thought it would.

[@patking8836]

Again royal rumble 1992 I love the classics and this is top 3 rumbles

[@leeshwan903]

11:54 - DDP almost always deserves an Up! 👆🏻

[@travismiller4320]

WCW Great American Bash 1991

[@leeshwan903]

Thank you, Simon, for watching this PPV so the rest of us don’t have to. 😆

[@robchicano1986]

Still better than every modern PPV nowadays

[@robattewell6087]

Summerslam 94, Bret v Owen in that fantastic cage match, just before SS2021

[@stevenwillie7667]

Best part at 16:27 lol

[@mattmeure2454]

Summerslam 2008 edge vs taker hiac

[@Reacher85]

Next Suggestion: WWE Armageddon 2008 Jeff Hardy wins the WWE Championship

[@CrimsonKid23]

Unbreakable 2005 AJ STYLES VS SAMOA JOE VS CHRISTOPHER DANIELS STILL FOR ME IS THE BEST MATCH IVE EVER SEEN

[@dustinsensenig9798]

OK, whoever suggested this, thank you

[@knightwagner]

The anger from second number one of this, hahaha. I almost feel bad...but I don't.

[@williambendele364]

Bash at the Beach 2000

[@joshhorne4225]

Back in the 90s my dad was always telling people that WCW wouldn’t last as long as WWF even when WCW was winning in ratings

[@foeud]

how about retro ups downs wrestlemania 3? about time I think

[@cobra1xtz]

I would love to see an episode on Starcade 97’ Probably one of the biggest examples of a wasted opportunity in wrestling

[@wstine79]

I wonder whatever became of "Ms. NWO?"

[@sassytroy8282]

Would love to see Summerslam 91 reviewed. Just something to get away from the Attitude Era stuff and beyond.

[@kevintyson9059]

Let's do wrestle kingdom 12

[@SWFbaybay]

Wrestlemania 22. Edge vs Foley, burning Table!

[@juliangiles3042]

It would be cool if u did one of the early summerslams

[@nickgori6979]

WCW Spring Stampede 1999: DDP vs Flair vs Hogan vs Sting

[@Cmmox84]

Summerslam 92 at Wembley stadium 👍

[@irishbear660]

Hope about in honor of SummerSlam let's do SummerSlam 1992 as it features a double main event and Simon would get to watch Repo Man.

[@truebruh2825]

I bought in as a teen to souled out so it was fine at the time

[@demetrithomas1573]

Do summerslam 2009 highlight would be punk vs Hardy

[@drew413]

WCW Capital Combat: Return of Robocop!!

[@tequilapapii5936]

ARMAGEDDON 2002 !!! Hbk vs HHH 3 stages it hell match ! KURT angle wins the WWE championship with the assist of Brock Lesnar !! Benoit vs Eddie Guerrero a master class 👏🏽 !!! Oh and crazy Victoriaaaa !!! 🤩