Revenge Banging My Crush's Dad (w/ Rainie Toll & Will Witwer) | Perfect Person Ep. 25

This episode contains by far the most unhinged call on the show thus far, as well as a case study in being awkward at a party.
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[@PerfectPerson]

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[@emilyf4178]

This should be a reoccurring cast every couple weeks. That compliment circle makes me jealous that you all have each other as support omg what a beautiful work place environment

[@megan55121]

Completely agree about this being recurring!!

[@rayrunn]

Pls

[@titanweenie]

Totally agree!!!

[@pantomimegoose]

I can’t imagine being so bold to intentionally sleep with someone’s father at 19 but not having the courage to tell his son you liked him. Wild

[@herb_rolls]

i am so concerned for her though, that dad was not being responsible by bringing a 19 year old back to his house who likely went to school with his son... big parent oops

[@KBerry-ug5zx]

VERY good point 😂

[@EmilyGroceJ]

@@herb_rolls and we was employed by her dad so there was no way he didn't know her before that coffee date...

[@ambersmith459]

​@@EmilyGroceJ right probably knew each other since she was much younger...

[@veronikasodkova9689]

😊😊😅 M

[@aka_dirtysoy]

Ngl if I found out my dad gave alcohol to and had secs with someone in my class, I may never speak to him again. Even if she’s really into it and instigated it, that’s like a crazy boundary for a parent to cross

[@amyeddelman]

No for real, as someone in her 20s, I get wildly uncomfortable thinking about dating someone that’s like three or four years younger than me, and that age is still over 21. So for a 40 something year-old man to sleep with a girl, his child’s age who is fresh out of high school, unforgivable behavior. It’s so gross to me and I can’t get over Wills comments in this episode, he high key gave me the ick.

[@El1society]

@@amyeddelmanoh definitely. fuck that ‘oh he’s recently divorced and vulnerable’ i’m sorry but how do all your morals go out the window after a divorce?? 😂 grown ass man giving into the flirting of a barely out of high school girl that doesn’t know wtf she’s doing

[@Emily-nj3bz]

ya I honestly just .. didn’t find it funny ?? the way the speaker spoke about it was lighthearted ofc but the thought of anyone my parents age being ok with fucking someone my age is so so nasty🤮also 19 is barely enough to be considered a consenting adult

[@h0llyrose]

the foreshadowing of miles talking about he’s a perfect person for drinking whiskey to whiskey playing such a big part in the diddling daddy story is……i mean you just can’t plan that perfection

[@sarannspiegel4490]

my thoughts exactly

[@static2735]

this sounds incredibly silly but as someone with social anxiety the direct instructions for how to start a conversation when you don't know anyone were actually very helpful lmao thank you

[@jayevanhart]

Not silly at all. I know meeting people is that simple, but my own social anxiety/awkwardness makes me chicken out from doing it most of the time. I've been actively working on getting over it at events like weddings, but I still have a hard time in bars, clubs, with new people at work, etc.

[@kaitlynrain899]

YES so helpful omg

[@soph4081]

this caller just took the show to a whole new level and thank god will and rainie were the guests for it. instant classic energy

[@princessleia9735]

This was the JUICIEST story on this show - I was dying laughing & cringing the whole time 😂

[@katiex3171]

two best freelance sidekicks! also love how the caller went “oh rainie!” and Completely ignored will lmao

[@palindromegrace]

Will and Rainie’s expressions changing upon hearing “I did a bunch of weird stuff with your dad” took me out

[@Han_jinhee]

That call was certified insane. Everyone’s shocked faces while listening to the call was the icing on the top.

[@pamlegaspi]

Miles, Will AND Rainie?!? I love it already and I havent even started the episode yet

[@jangbui3749]

Lol same. I was about to comment the same thing before the episode has even started.

[@katieishler2337]

SAME.

[@devereuxxo]

Truly the dream team. It doesn't get better than this. Haha

[@Somethingcorporate99]

The friendship between Rainie and Will is so sweet, him trying to hype her up to speak to people and her trying to find out what's up with him, we love supportive friendships 👏

[@-streaminadream-5356]

hard agree

[@Somethingcorporate99]

@@greener336 nah, they're actual people with real lives, not characters in media, we don't need to ship them, that feels weird 😬

[@greener336]

@@Somethingcorporate99 breathe

[@katiex3171]

will’s compliment circle was actually super sweet, loved it

[@kelseyletourneau6260]

This episode is webby award worthy, and a perfect example of perfect people 🤣

[@lilballerina]

Will and Rainie are the perfect duo more eps with them pls 😍

[@PerfectPerson]

The Core Three will Ride Again

[@shutthehelluplol]

@@PerfectPerson fuck yeah

[@stephanierapacz8601]

@@PerfectPerson The three musketeers of perfection

[@kobebear4472]

All 3 of them have the same giggly chaotic energy and I'm loving it :D

[@sophiekuhn5342]

Ngl the dad shouldn’t have slept with a 19 year old. I’ll never understand hooking up with someone your kids age

[@kendramangan]

Will immediately sitting on spilled coffee to hide it/soak it up adds possible evidence towards the case of the former poopy white shorts 😆

[@morgans3936]

use me as a "listened on spotify but came here for the facial expressions" button

[@tofuteh2348]

You cant just casually drop the best episode like that

[@alanchen7421]

I guess Euphoria really is art imitating life. 😅😂😂😂😂

[@herb_rolls]

is consent really the only important thing when deciding if a situation is moral??? i agree with miles and rainie about the role of the dad in the story. it doesn't matter how she dressed, what her plan was, he was way older than her and he offered her alcohol which is a depressant at HIS house on the first encounter. That is concerning behaviour although it is not illegal. They both wanted to be there but we inherently understand the power imbalance: the gap in maturity, experience, strength between the two parties could have been avoided. I'm only 25 and imagining being intimate with a 19 year old is horrifying because of the age gap and how close they are to being a minor (plus overall maturity). finally on the note of consent being a deciding factor, plenty of toxic or dangerous situations contain consenting adults because there are many forms of consent including coerced consent.

[@zerocraic3966]

The responsibility and blame is 100% on the grown adult but I am deeply disturbed that as a 30 year old woman and in the interim years she has jokingly publicized this story as something funny, it doesn’t seem she even now sees it as a predatory situation bc she was in her eyes the instigator. The fact that it’s so well known that her friends are like “omg tell that HILARIOUS” story makes me worried for what this woman’s support system is. The man is completely a creep for doing this, it doesn’t matter how much Kaitlin was “baiting” him (he was an adult and a father grow up gross) I’m sad for Kaitlin that nobody in over a decade has told her how completely unsafe and not okay she was in that situation Plus the way she was frothing to tell the son was very troubling too. It’s clear the only way this would get to the son is her blurting it out. I wonder what would compel her to find that so necessary and frankly exciting. All her expressions of concern seemed performative compared to the enthusiasm in her tone talking about how he could find out and how she’d talk about it. Idk about other ppl, but I don’t rehearse delicate conversations in such lighthearted and crass detail. I hope Kaitlin eventually realizes how not okay that situation was instead of laughing it off as THE FUNNIEST thing that’s ever happened to her. she was in such a not okay situation where an older man is feeding her alcohol, that that is her go to story with new people to seem funny… I mean misunderstanding it at 19 or 22 even is one thing. She still seems so sure it wasn’t a problem at 30 that I’m worried about what else she might have brushed off as okay in her life Edit: also I think ppl are misinterpreting wills input as him making it excusable. He’s framing why it’s understandable the guy was tempted into the wrong choice but I didn’t see it as condoning but that’s just me. Like an analogy that’s less controversial to consider is say sometimes a boss is furious with subordinates and say, screams. A boss screaming is not excusable, the human who is a boss getting impatient and wanting to scream is understandable. It doesn’t mean it isn’t the boss’s responsibility in that dynamic to do the right thing. I see these creep encounters as the same thing. I understand why the dad was tempted but ultimately it was his failure to do the right thing that made this mess. And to do it more than once shows he didn’t seem to conflicted about it which is so gross. When I was 23 I accidentally kissed an 18 year old and I felt so creepy bc they were basically barely an adult. That he could be sexually involved w someone his own child’s age is just. So creepy.

[@amandajunecesarano7423]

@@zerocraic3966 okay I think feeding her alcohol may be the wrong phrasing. It was her idea to get the whisky. Don’t get me wrong, he shouldn’t have given it to her. I just think overall, he was clearly thoughtless about the consequences of sleeping with “Kaitlin” would be for his son and for her, but I don’t think there’s anything predatory about his behavior.

[@tofuteh2348]

@@zerocraic3966 i think the real worry her is the possibility of her repeating this behavior (not saying she WILL) to another 19-ish year old, or seeing it happen to another person and instead of calling it out, finding it funny

[@monicaavenidabrasil]

To insert myself in this discourse a bit late, I wouldn't automatically victimize this woman because of the shadyness of the situation. It may not be a great memory, but joking is a great way to elaborate and get over small trauma, and she seems aware both of the man's fault, but also of her own agency. It's a complex situation, and it's not by condescending and automatically victimizing young people (or in this case 30 y/o woman) that we get anywhere. People will say "young people are the future and need to take action" but then go "oh you can't make good decisions cause your prefrontal cortex etc". I liked this conversation cause they took all sides and narratives in consideration, and once they assessed the listener was aware of the problematic potential of the interaction but overall was not hurt by it (it was only a 3 times encounter sexual relationship, not an emotional or financial one, with longer term implications), joking about it like she does was a good route.

[@Cashhhhew]

@@zerocraic3966 Having been through some sketchy situations with much older men when I was 18-21 I would like to say that it could be her way of taking back control/agency of the situation. But I do see where you are coming from with the friend circle maybe never pointing out how bad it sounds.

[@stephanierapacz8601]

That daddy call was absolutely INSANE. I couldn't stop laughing, but I'm also kind of obsessed with how messy she was lmao

[@Namite0001]

I cannot express how insane this episode was. I am screaming. This caller is also my hero.

[@amandamala2711]

haven't even started this yet but I cannot stress how necessary this trio is

[@shannonp2321]

Wow I literally verbally said "AWE" when Rainey said that she is excited for Miles' son to hear his caring voice 8(

[@missknisely]

That was the sweetest most specific thing to say to him, I involuntarily put my hand on my chest. lol precious.

[@aliyah6943]

10/10 episode! The party case study was so relatable, the main call was so outrageous, and the compliment circle was so sincere and heart warming!

[@ashleighmack9318]

the dad story is hilarrrrrrriiiooooussss. story time is over no more talking about it with your friends. i could so see a drunk night it being brought up and him thinking everyone has been laughing about him

[@Namite0001]

Rainie this party story is so relatable I've 100% done this before. Ive also gotten way too stoned at a party at an Airbnb where I could not escape people and be alone in my spiraling thoughts 😂😂

[@domskileaks]

the way they can't compliment each other without cracking up 😂

[@carissamacdonald5600]

My face each time a new layer of the story was revealed! I was cleaning the kitchen listening on my headphones and my partner in the living room was like “what are you listening to!” Thank you so much Miles and crew for making my whole day with this episode!

[@Amb-tastic]

The revelation that Rainie and Will have known each other for a long time checks out and makes so much sense.

[@belzi87]

can you imagine if those two hooked up? WILD

[@mmm555m]

@@belzi87 is Will dating someone? Or am I thinking of someone else? Coulda sworn it was him!

[@tofuteh2348]

@@belzi87 bit weird to say that about 2 people who are friends and might even read the comments

[@itsme_taylorlee]

Anyone else just sitting and smiling during the compliment circle ☺️ That was so sweet. These 3 compliment each other so well.

[@AammaK]

Rainie saying she's excited for Miles's child to hear his voice was unbelievably adorable

[@erikabrewer848]

The compliments they had for one another really mad me cry. I Couldn't love it more ❤ I don't think we has humans tell each other enough how grateful we are to have one another in our lives.

[@alnikkig]

Compliment circle is the peak perfect person moment 🥺

[@Liv-gy9yf]

Honestly, Will be saying some questionable things… /: ):

[@heykelly]

I have a really big problem with the way that WIll was putting the blame on the 19yo girl and calling the dad a "vulnerable lonely divorcee"? What kind of father sleeps with their child's frenemy because they're lonely? If I was the friend, I wouldn't be mad at the friend, but I would be devastated by that revelation about my father.

[@heykelly]

AND his boss's daughter??

[@Qingo10]

someones gotta say it. That's not devils advocate. There is a whole SPEW of controversy over younger victim 'wanting' it even as deliberate as this. It's a way longer debate that's not wroth rehashing here but in short, people don't always know what they 'want' or think it /has/ or /should/ go a certain way because that's just how things are, and all those paths are used in full manipulation and exploited for grown men to harp on young girls. I wouldn't call the 19 year old in this a victim per-se, but what she really wanted obviously was revenge and the boy of her class, and the spewed path and thinking she had to sleep with the dad is NOT justification for the dad to have gone through. Not going to bash them for being consenting adults all things considered LEGALLY, but morally I would never look at that man the same after undressing his son's classmate.

[@Qingo10]

oh my god i just got farther into the video where will is defending the dad MORE and he literally just used the words "He's a target" to describe the MIDDLE AGED ADULT MAN over the 19 year old finals-induced lover-struck boy obsessed teen. OH MY GOD WILL. WILL.

[@antigua26]

it was weird...made me so uncomfortable

[@beefflavor4362]

will's flailing hands need their own show

[@Monica-om4xh]

rainie's situation at the party is my worst nightmare! completely understand why she left, though love the encouragement

[@andreasmith6001]

When I tell you, I was scream crying while listening to this story, and then when the podcast was done I dragged my husband to watch it AGAIN with me, you know this was a PERFECT episode!!!

[@mewow6406]

Did Derek’s dad know that Kaitlyn was Derek’s friend?????

[@2021michellecarpenter]

Literally never have another guest again and just have will and rainie pls I love this trio

[@saraa.7836]

I just watched the Premium version and let me just say, this Frenemy story is bananas 😂

[@jayalba1478]

Wait, there’s MORE in the patreon version??🤯

[@arielle.notthemermaid]

"You guys have sincerly change my life" I'm not even in their circle per se but this is so heart warming, I think I cried a bit..

[@torpidturnip]

I’d make sure to have a convenient “dental surgery” or something on the day of the wedding if those two ever get married on the revenge bang story. Don’t go to that wedding!

[@linn8370]

I can't believe you got Rainie on the pod! Dua Lipa who?

[@neeekoru]

this call had me in tears from laughing holy crap

[@samanthaweeks2115]

I just have to say, normally the advice on this podcast isn’t something I would actually take. More entertaining to listen to than anything else. The advice on how to make new friends at a party though was so simple but actually got me inspired to go to a party with people I don’t know and make new friends. Thank you

[@larserus8286]

For whatever reason, the thumbnail makes Will look like he’s their child

[@chuutheecomrade]

currently making a smoothie while listening to the podcast in order to simulate being a construction worker outside the perfect person studio and faintly hearing will laugh with his entire body

[@moonchild271]

I cycle back to this episode time to time..cause it's so legendary 😭

[@mjay3613]

I really appreciate that Miles opened with a whiskey comment without knowing whiskey would be so relevant to the caller’s story

[@sierravalentinee]

1:01:34 agreed, Rainie, you have so much light in your future it’s been amazing to see your growth from this side of the screen as well

[@magalyrodriguez3108]

I was crying with you all during the compliment circle and then wills avatar joke KILLED ME I really felt like I was there with you all !

[@hayleyhellbound9513]

So why isn’t she now as an adult warning this man that his dad is a weirdo that sleeps with people his child’s age? I’d want to know that BEFORE I hear my dad was for example, hitting on people at my wedding

[@Jordanvbaby]

I think Rainie and Will need to go from freelance to permanent guests

[@EvMaddiePlusDaddy]

You know those movies where it’s like one event, but it keeps flashing back to the beginning to show you the perspectives of different characters at said event? I need a movie like that made about Mile’s party story

[@jackien.4978]

going from the chaos of the daddy diddler to the absolutely earnest love fest of this Get Real segment was whiplash inducing and also 10000% of the reason why this is my favorite episode so far!

[@janelleandreasen7946]

Dream team just killing it like we knew they would.

[@nagarajanrekha]

i've watched this episode multiple times because it brings me so much joy and I literally tear up at the compliment circle every time like wtf I love this trio so much

[@alyssayarbrough6290]

rainie’s compliment to miles made me cry

[@hannahrose2718]

This made me laugh so hard after a rlly emotional and shit day please have rainie and will on together again ❤

[@porgiepuddinandpie]

this episode is ALL. TIME. I can already feel a heavy rewatch in 2023

[@Kdump]

“Act one: diddling your dad” in the Ira Glass voice…. I lost my shit laughing 😂😂😂

[@kaitlyngomez3907]

When your actual name is Kaitlyn and they're reading the sausiest story. I don't know how I feel guilty for this persons actions

[@elka_shmelk]

when u find a rainie episode that u haven’t seen yet AAAHHH

[@gracestephenson2254]

Rainie and Will are my fav freelance side kicks

[@nowthatsurban]

No way Kaitlin is 30. She talks like she's still 19 and this fiasco must have recently happened.

[@kelseysbookrecs]

I was thinking THE SAME THING. 22 at the oldest

[@zerocraic3966]

You’re giving 30 year olds way too much credit. Toxic people don’t change over time. I am not trying to prescribe anything to the caller specifically, but anybody who thought that was a totally doable thing at 19 doesn’t become adequately embarrassed about said behavior at 30 unless they do a massive introspective period in their 20s. I am 32 and the girls who dumped guys for their height or broke phones bc of jealousy are still okay with those behaviors at 30, they’re just meeting less people who will tolerate it.

[@mmm555m]

@@zerocraic3966 lol you are so right. Growing up, my mom used to tell me that it's the same thing, everyone just gets older and fatter 😂😂

[@Cashhhhew]

Oh no. I'm 28 and still horribly toxic lmao

[@user-bn8tk4md6b]

Hands down my favorite episode ever 🤣 Rainie/Wil as guests, the party story, the insane call, the compliment circle, Wil needing to leave to watch Avatar... listened to this on the plane, definitely watching again on YT a few more times

[@megan55121]

Please make this a recurring cast!! The 3 of you together is ✨perfection✨

[@katemurphy3048]

More Rainie and Will please!!!

[@dyllansirosky8142]

I need the call in link oh boy do I have a story with family drama

[@domskileaks]

that ira glass impression is spot on lmfao 51:20

[@Avishay_G]

This was one of the best episodes!!! we need more of this trio!!

[@megi_mcdink12]

I vibe with this group so hard lol. The entire story of Rainie and Will talking about Miles' party is so relatable 😂 I have absolutely been both of them in those situations, especially Will getting psyched out of going to a party lol

[@polarberin]

The whole intro party story I was like I am Rainie I am rainie I am Rainie and then will started explaining his mood again and I'm like I am will I am will I am will

[@sisterspacek]

That Ira Glass impression was actually very good. What an insane episode, loved it

[@trinaloren]

"diddled a daddy" is wild 💀

[@KayleeSchlundt]

will and rainie are the cutest. i just love the energy they bring to the pod and miles is literally the perfect host 🫶🏼

[@olivialanteigne3839]

I need some time to emotionally recuperate after watching this, this was truly the most wild experience XD

[@jessicamcfadden8217]

The way that my jaw hit the floor at the sight of the thumbnail

[@ec2335]

Ooh we need some miles nation merch that says 'tummy full of bees'

[@EvelynMartinez-le9cw]

This was a rollercoaster and I’m here for it

[@LeahVoysey]

omg so excited waking up to a miles, will, and rainie episode!!

[@sydney4377]

Will spilling on the couch and soaking it up with his pants... explanation for the previous Will pants stain? This guy just likes cleaning up spills with his pants

[@simplicitylost]

Where does that happen? I haven’t finished yet; do they address it or does he do it covertly and nobody notices?

[@simplicitylost]

Never mind. Literally after I typed that, it happened. 😂 49:14

[@sarachristopher2822]

#1 favorite episode of the pod so far! Love this!

[@GretaGeliz]

This was the best episode ever. I was laughing out loud and crying by the end. Miles and Sarah, I hope the next few months go smoothly! Good luck!

[@mary-katefitzpatrick4633]

We need more Rainie and Will! Loved this episode!

[@lyrichooey3430]

The dynamic with the three of you guys is the best.

[@pettyofcolor3769]

this is the most iconic episode i felt like i was having a fever dream while listening

[@pupc]

This is the only episode I have listened to more than once of any podcast ever… so good 🤣

[@literellie]

hands down this is the best episode so far

[@LoCaRaAFi]

This episode made my entire year! thanks Miles, Rainie and Will

[@l1br4b1tch]

i was watching another podcast and they were reading confessions and they were asking so many questions, and it made me really appreciate the format of this podcast bc we get all the tea and context of the confessions

[@htlmn98]

EVERY episode of Perfect Person is just a HIT HAHA This one HIT

[@madeleines]

This was the sweetest episode!! Love this trio - hope it happens more!

[@KrisTess]

the three of you are so different in rly fun ways i love this trio

[@MrDorkaman]

This is THE best episode yet